Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html en-gb 30 Mon 04 May 2015 18:08:51 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html david http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=99#comment337 Dr John Galt's post 36 sounds smart and has the merit of brevity - he doesn't invite us to read very much of his nonsense. For nonsense it certainly is - unless we should be proud to keep closed minds. Mon 28 Feb 2011 11:02:24 GMT+1 suespeaking http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=99#comment336 Three rashers of bacon a day? not sure I can eat that many!!!!! Mon 28 Feb 2011 11:00:04 GMT+1 Ben http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=99#comment335 no one listens to health warnings because people can still abuse the NHS.Start charging those who end in hospital for smoking related sickness, obesity from over eating, and alcohol related injuries should be hit the hardest.Perhaps if the NHS was not as easy to asbuse as it is now, then maybe people would start listening!Our selfish, spoilt nature has brought the NHS to its knees, and the best the government can come up is tv adverts and warnings about stuffing our faces with fatty foods!I try to look after myself as best I can, i do not expect the NHS services to be there for me if my injury, or illness is self inflicted. We are all in control of our own health and well being, we should take pride in this, seeing as everything else the public had control over has been sold to the highest bidder.England doesn't have much left, so why not at least become a nation of healthy people! Mon 28 Feb 2011 10:34:01 GMT+1 Val http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=98#comment334 117. At 5:25pm on 25 Feb 2011, Michael Lloyd wrote:"The Daily Mail, in particular has 'form' in mis-representing scientific and medical research. I, for one, will never forgive this rag for their role in the MMR scare."You are aware, are you, that the research on which this was based is currently being replicated in the US, and that the "scare story" was not so very far from the truth? Dr Wakefield was not wrong; he was finally only criticised for the "way he went about" the research, not the actual results. The drug companies are very powerful and have the ear of governments. They are able to manipulate the public every bit as much as newspapers and broadcasters, but the fact that we are told something is "safe" does not necessarily mean that it is. You only have to look at all the contradictory advice we have been discussing on this HYS. I am too old for children now, but my daughter (now 29) did not have the MMR and I would not let any child of mine have it. I've seen what it did to the son of a close friend. ----------------------------------------------------------Oh boy - knew it was just a matter of time on this one until the anti-MMR crew came out of the woodwork. People who refuse to immunise their children are selfish, irresponsible, and are playing Russian Roulette with not only their childrens' health, but also that of all their childrens' schoolmates and friends. My father had whooping cough and measles at the same time before mass immunisation was the norm (back in the 1940's). He nearly died, but was lucky. As a result of his illnesses, he has permanent heart damage, and every cold he gets turns into pneumonia. Is that what you want children to have to go through for their entire lives?Here are some hard numbers:Chance of contracting measles when un-immunised (if regularly exposed to someone with measles like a sibling or school friend) - 900 in 1000 (or 90%)Risk of convulsions:As a result of measles: 1 in 200As a result of 1st MMR dose: 1 in 1000Risk of meningitis or encephalitis:As a result of measles: 1 in 200 to 1 in 1000As a result of 1st MMR dose: 1 in 1000000Risk of blood clotting conditions:As a result of measles: 1 in 3000As a result of 1st MMR dose: 1 in 24000Risk of death:As a result of measles: 1 in 8000 to 1 in 10000 (depending on age)As a result of 1st MMR dose: zeroIn Sweden, research showed that diagnoses of autism did NOT rise after the introduction of the MMR jab.Sorry, but when it comes to MY child, I'll take my chances with the immunisation, thank you, because I don't want her to DIE. Mon 28 Feb 2011 10:01:21 GMT+1 BrimfulOfAshes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=98#comment333 Maybe - I've never tried a Krispy Kreme doughnut, after hearing how many calories are in them.But mostly, it's just common sense. Eat your greens, don't gorge yourself but enjoy a little of what you fancy now and then.I've got no sympathy with whining types who complain that there isn't "more help" (ie, free gastric bands on demand) when they're enormously fat, and blame everyone but themselves.Stop stuffing yourselves! Simple, really. Mon 28 Feb 2011 09:46:35 GMT+1 PipeVVorm http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=98#comment332 Just because it taste nice or some macho morron thinks its some kind of 'Man' issue to eat as much meat as he can.You deserve you own ignorance, and its quite a deseving disease isnt it?Eat too much dead body and you'll be one yourself basically.I eat meat once a week, and I know when I have eaten it, it lays heavy in my stomach and it stays there for about 2-3 days as oppossed to veggy stuff which is on quick escape exit.Not a suoppring report in my book. Mon 28 Feb 2011 09:16:16 GMT+1 barryp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=97#comment331 There have been Health warnings on Cigarettes for thirty years and yet there are still millions of 'new' smokers. Quite obviously 'warnings' do not work. Mon 28 Feb 2011 09:12:49 GMT+1 holly_bush_berry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=97#comment330 #327 Andy wrote "Right now I'm sure the tobacco industry is are lobbying MPs to get them to issue a statement saying parents should let there toddlers smoke."Are that will be a very old Swedish (?) study that purported to demonstrate that children of smoking parents appeared to have a better chance of surviving cancers than those of non-smoking parents. It is a strange world in which we live. Mon 28 Feb 2011 08:21:27 GMT+1 holly_bush_berry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=97#comment329 Stress is the world's greatest killer. It can be triggered by large problems, like increasing bulk, or small matters like silly HYS subjects, comments, or tussling egos. It always does more harm than good.If the BBC really wants to throw the red meat into the cages how about a HYS on the £15 plus billions of our bankrupt Coalition money to be spent on HS2 instead of improving transport from local As to local Bs everywhere? More tramways anyone....or is it more charcoal than carnage? Mon 28 Feb 2011 08:11:01 GMT+1 Quo Vadis http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=97#comment328 "19. At 12:51pm on 25 Feb 2011, Keith wrote: Yes all these health and safety concerns expressed by all those "experts" with their noses in the taxpayers trough, my pocket, cause me to eat more "unhealthy" foods and ride my motorcycle faster. I have no wish to live a long time on a planet where I am dictated to by do gooders, I would far rather live as I want a shorter time than longer under their control." ============================================================== Bravo Keith. Well said sir. Having recently witnessed the end of my mother's long life, the last 10 years of which were hell for her (no quality of life, in her terms), I have no wish to scrifice myself now for the benefit of a longer life when the extra years a) are not guaranteed, and b) might well be hell. medical and food sciences should concentrate on improving quality of life, not simply extending it.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This has always been my point. Why follow all the health advice, only to have the extra 10 years of life one has being spoon fed in a home for the terminally incontinent while paying 3 thousand a month for the privilege? Mon 28 Feb 2011 07:31:54 GMT+1 chrislabiff http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=96#comment327 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Feb 2011 06:55:38 GMT+1 Andy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=96#comment326 Guess this is another ploy by the meat industry to get stupid people to eat more red meat as they know if the Health Department says it bad for you a lot of people who like to think they are always being lied to will do the opposite.Right now I'm sure the tobacco industry is are lobbying MPs to get them to issue a statement saying parents should let there toddlers smoke Mon 28 Feb 2011 02:59:44 GMT+1 Steve Edwards http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=96#comment325 321. At 7:52pm on 27 Feb 2011, Paul wrote:We are keep being told to eat more fruit and veg and cut down on red meats etc: Q.Shoule we cut down on red meat etc: You must grasp logistical efficiencies. Where does beef come from? A cow. What does a cow eat? Grass, Hay and Corn. And what are these? VEGETABLES. So a steak is nothing more than an efficient mechanism of delivering vegetables to your system. Need grain, eat chicken. Beef and Lamb is a good source of vegetable matter. In winter they also eat mangos and turnips, VEGETABLES.Q. Should I reduce my alcohol intake? No. What is wine made from? Grapes,and what are grapes, fruit, the juice is extracted and sugar is added, and what is sugar,a GRASS (sugar cane) or (sugar beet) vegetableso you have a source of fruit and vegetables. BEER is also made from grain. (BOTTOMS UP)Q.Are fried foods good for you? all foods these days are cooked in vegetable oils. In fact they are permeated in it. So how could eating vegetables be bad for you?Q. Is chocolate bad for you? Cocoa beans!! another vegetable!! It's the best feel-good food around.Well I hope this has cleared up any misconceptions you may have had about food and diets.===========================Couldn't agree more.The fillings in doughnuts are made from fruit, so I'm eating 5 doughnuts a day now. Sun 27 Feb 2011 23:45:44 GMT+1 GorraSay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=95#comment324 Inconclusive evidence very often in these scientific findings. Is it perhaps what they do to food that is the real reason ie additives etc . Grandma and grandad used to have plenty of fresh meat in their diets and dripping added to bread but their generation did not have the cancer rates of today. I say all things in moderation and plenty of variety and fresh fruit and veg along with good meat produce and a little of alcohol along the way does not hurt. We are meat eaters anyway by definition and also vegatables and fruit. Perhaps there is a connection to meat but I bet it's not the meat that is the problem ... it's the farming and preparation and treatment of it more likely. The evidence though is inconclusive at this stage so I shall carry on as I always have ! Sun 27 Feb 2011 23:35:38 GMT+1 Steve Edwards http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=95#comment323 Yes, I take note and I'm eating a far healthier diet as a result. My favourite is grilled lamb served with salad in unleavened bread.The Turkish take away makes them beautifully. Sun 27 Feb 2011 23:34:47 GMT+1 topsail http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=95#comment322 In about 1957 we were told at school about the smoking and cancer link which had just been discovered. Your health is your most important gift and it is well worth following the evidence of current scientific ideas. Sun 27 Feb 2011 21:24:59 GMT+1 John Campbell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=94#comment321 Am sure there are many products on sale in our Country that does nothing to protect our health.All of them free to be sold to us,for years to come. All of them,making some people wealthy.For years to come.All a question of balance.It would be nice for everyone to have a healthy life style.Could save all of us an absolute fortune.But if we stopped buying such products,and paid no attention to glossy Adverts,we deprive the Sellers and their Adverting Agency of some very lucrative Income.And we cannot do that,could we? Sun 27 Feb 2011 21:11:51 GMT+1 Paul http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=94#comment320 We are keep being told to eat more fruit and veg and cut down on red meats etc: Q.Shoule we cut down on red meat etc: You must grasp logistical efficiencies. Where does beef come from? A cow. What does a cow eat? Grass, Hay and Corn. And what are these? VEGETABLES. So a steak is nothing more than an efficient mechanism of delivering vegetables to your system. Need grain, eat chicken. Beef and Lamb is a good source of vegetable matter. In winter they also eat mangos and turnips, VEGETABLES.Q. Should I reduce my alcohol intake? No. What is wine made from? Grapes,and what are grapes, fruit, the juice is extracted and sugar is added, and what is sugar,a GRASS (sugar cane) or (sugar beet) vegetableso you have a source of fruit and vegetables. BEER is also made from grain. (BOTTOMS UP)Q.Are fried foods good for you? all foods these days are cooked in vegetable oils. In fact they are permeated in it. So how could eating vegetables be bad for you?Q. Is chocolate bad for you? Cocoa beans!! another vegetable!! It's the best feel-good food around.Well I hope this has cleared up any misconceptions you may have had about food and diets. Sun 27 Feb 2011 19:52:43 GMT+1 Andrew Middleton http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=94#comment319 No because one week these "experts" say one thing and the next week they say they were wrong Sun 27 Feb 2011 19:51:22 GMT+1 Human http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=94#comment318 No. I will eat and drink whatever I want to. I eat good unprocessed food from choice and that includes red meat. I have just enjoyed a wonderful meal, cooked myself, of mutton roast potatoes, roast parsnips, real gravy and lemon sponge pud. Sun 27 Feb 2011 19:30:41 GMT+1 D_H_Wilko http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=93#comment317 @315slave to the system-I am not a number(user(id 14358894) "The safest advice is to ignore these so called experts and the media"You've created a bit of a paradox here because you're a "So called expert" and your lecture is on the internet, which is a sort of media. Should we ignore your advice? which would mean taking your advice not to take your advice etc. etc.I agree though we shouldn't listen to "so called experts" only the actual experts at the department of health. We should consider carefully what they suggest. Sun 27 Feb 2011 19:26:54 GMT+1 chrisk50 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=93#comment316 Do health warnings make you change your diet? Yep, I've stopped digesting anything the government says. Sun 27 Feb 2011 18:41:47 GMT+1 Brittany Chaveos http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=93#comment315 Not really. I've been on diet and I'm making good progress. What works for me is to think about a really fat person that you wouldn't really want to be like - in my case it's Phil Jupitus: a funny man but grossly revolting to look at so much so that I can't watch QI when he's a panellist. I don't think Phil Jupitus would mind. He's intelligent enought to know the truth of it. Also at work, I'm a teacher, there is a young woman colleague whose deep unhappiness manifests itself as bossy, haughty behaviour. It's no exaggeration to describe her as an airship - and still inflating. So, whenever I want to re-affirm my commitment to lose weight, I simply think of these two people. Sun 27 Feb 2011 18:35:56 GMT+1 Slave to the System - I am not a number http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=92#comment314 Let be serious the media basically tells us we shouldnt be eating anything.The safest advice is to ignore these so called experts and the media, who give us conflicting advice and use common sense. Eat what you like, when you like and enjoy life. If your fat, simple answer, exercise. No feeble excuses. Its not your genes or glandular faultits not your parents faultits not the media / magazines fault its not the TV Faultits not the salt in foodits you, your the reason your fat. You have the will power to say noEat less and exercise more. From someone who was fat but isnt now. I dont need the government to tell me how to eat. Sun 27 Feb 2011 18:31:35 GMT+1 ClaudeBalls http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=92#comment313 All you need to know about food advice is that Nigella Lawson and Gillian McKeith are the same age. Sun 27 Feb 2011 18:25:50 GMT+1 leng http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=92#comment312 As an exprofessional, I would suggest NO man is a creature of habit, there is little space for him today to act or achieve in any cognitive manner. For example take cigarettes, the warnings on health was ignored by majority for over 20 years until law took over, we also witnesed the same with seat belt laws.If man today is to change there eating habits, the food industry would need to make radical changes in the production of food, and clearly difining what processes happens and risks they have on our health if known, along with increase of honest facts so man can start to make in informed choice. Alternatively make man and the food production companies more responsible for mans health, this way they will have the nmotivation to change there habits of a life time. Sun 27 Feb 2011 17:05:18 GMT+1 Chrome Bumpers http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=92#comment311 Health warnings are so fickle. One week a product is ok, the next it's all doom and gloom.Most of these so called warnings are propaganda, it's a trade war, who can slag off someone else in a bid to get people to buy their product.If the food chain is contaminated then tell people. These scares are like junk mail and scammers, put them in the bin where they belong. Sun 27 Feb 2011 16:25:07 GMT+1 beammeup http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=91#comment310 Best satire on this subject: Woody Allen's movie 'Sleeper' Sun 27 Feb 2011 16:18:51 GMT+1 beammeup http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=91#comment309 #302 APOLOGY TO DISAFFECTEDMAJORITYWhoops - I missed the mark on this one. Sorry, too much coffee on my part??All the best to you too. Sun 27 Feb 2011 14:20:34 GMT+1 No Victim No Crime http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=91#comment308 I take no notice of any health warning especially on food stuff, i will however change my attitude when i see warnings about the serious dangers of sweetners. Sun 27 Feb 2011 14:11:44 GMT+1 paul http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=90#comment307 305. At 11:29am on 27 Feb 2011, Paul wrote:Sorry but I do not take any notice of these warnings about what we should eat and drink. Most of the times I read about them and then do the opposite of what they advocate, and I can assure you at 80 years of age I feel 100% better.What baffles me is do people really take any notice of them. Remember this, they are only after money for saying these things the same as the scams we get in the mail. Carry on regardless.***************************Ah the other but older paul !!I don't exactly do the opposite by I do take their dire warnings with a pinch of salt, although apparently thats dangerous too :-) Sun 27 Feb 2011 13:33:18 GMT+1 PC_Hitman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=90#comment306 No and the reason is that for example "One day red meat is good for you, the next it isn't" etc.I'm so confused that i dont bother. Sun 27 Feb 2011 13:26:10 GMT+1 D_H_Wilko http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=90#comment305 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Feb 2011 12:20:03 GMT+1 Paul http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=89#comment304 Sorry but I do not take any notice of these warnings about what we should eat and drink. Most of the times I read about them and then do the opposite of what they advocate, and I can assure you at 80 years of age I feel 100% better.What baffles me is do people really take any notice of them. Remember this, they are only after money for saying these things the same as the scams we get in the mail. Carry on regardless. Sun 27 Feb 2011 11:29:38 GMT+1 Peter Bridgemont http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=89#comment303 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Feb 2011 11:15:16 GMT+1 AJS http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=89#comment302 @ CoeurDeHamster, #291:Does anyone else see a “bacon tax” coming up to persuade us to eat what nanny wants us to? The fact that it’d be another cash cow – errr pig – for the government would just be a bonus.I've been saying this for a long time. The government are grooming the public to accept a tax on "unhealthy" foods.But it won't stop there. Once such a tax is in place, it will gradually be applied more and more widely as new foods are discovered to be bad for you ("let's tax potatoes -- after all, they can be made into chips!") Eventually you won't be able to buy so much as an organic rocket salad with egg-free, oil-free, vinegar-free, salt-free, taste-free dressing without having to pay tax on it. A tax on food is almost the perfect tax. Everybody has to eat, so nobody who doesn't have their own smallholding will be able to avoid paying it; and nobody will be able to dare oppose this, lest they be accused of condemning future generations to die of obesity. Sun 27 Feb 2011 11:00:45 GMT+1 Disaffectedmajority http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=89#comment301 290. At 03:52am on 27 Feb 2011, beammeup wrote:Lighten up Disaffectedmajority! This is only a silly question and for most of us we have had our say in a light hearted way. Certainly no reason to have a coronary!!!Hello beammeup, am I right in assuming that you are a complete and utter stranger to satire and irony? Don't take everything at face value me old mate.All the best ;) Sun 27 Feb 2011 10:59:54 GMT+1 Ex Tory Voter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=88#comment300 Do health warnings make you change your diet?Not really. If you add up all the statistics about what is going to kill you, it is a near certainty that you died a couple of months before you were born. All this crying wolf is getting a little tedious, especially when in six months time another 'study' will contradict this weeks trendy topic. Sun 27 Feb 2011 10:48:22 GMT+1 gisellewilding http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=88#comment299 I would like to give some advice to MEN.Yes you are often ignored and a quick glance through these comments and not one mention I could see with the high iron and cancer/heart disease/ arthritis and SO MANY other disease associated with extra iron than you cannot get rid of (unless you donate or have an accident)I believe this is deliberately covered up and so few know of it's dangers.Look at asians. They have a great diet and little meat. Almost NO cot death.I could write all day on this but it is now thought that women catch up with men after menopause with heart disease because of the iron storage.Alcohol will increase it being absorbed and tea will prevent.Yes teenage girls and pregnant women often need to increase if they are low meat eaters.Just eat less. Who wants dementia,macular degeneration, cataracts etc.Giselle Wilding, Melbourne BSc Sun 27 Feb 2011 10:43:50 GMT+1 icewombat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=88#comment298 I can see the adverts due to hit your TV this yearDid you follow goverment advice and stopped drinking your daily glass of red wine?Evidance published by the goverment this week proves that that a single glass of wine a day would have cut down the chance of you suffering a heart attack and/or stroke.If you stoped drinking based on the old advice you could be entitled to compensation call "you diserved better" and talk to our trained advisors and receive 100% of the compensation you deserve! Sun 27 Feb 2011 09:49:57 GMT+1 Rob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=87#comment297 I am yet to read up on the statistics on Cancer Rates amongst "Nutritionists" vs "Random Sample". I have a hard time believing them to be any different. Until I see that nutritionists rarely (if ever) get cancer, while it continues to affect everyone else, then I will ignore "cancer warnings" that nutritionists give about any type of food. Sun 27 Feb 2011 09:35:30 GMT+1 Rob Fitness Coach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=87#comment296 I can see the problems some health professionals have with red meat as they contain high amounts of saturated fat.But i have to ask exaclty what was the tests they performed to find these results because the native American Indians staple diet was Bison, Buffalo and Ox all Red Meat and you don't hear about health issues with their population.To add to my comment, Eskimos eat an extremely high fat diet with very little in the way of vegetables yet you also hear nothing about their population suffering from Diabetes, Osteoporosis, Depression, Obesity etc.And finally why are the Department of Health reporting something when they don't actually know what the link is between Red Meat and Bowel Cancer? Processed Meat yes i can understand due to the highly toxic nature of the chemicals used to preserve and process the meat, but naturally occuring, organic meat?? Sun 27 Feb 2011 09:16:43 GMT+1 Blues-Indigo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=87#comment295 Ths is government brainwashing, scaremongering again in another attempt to cut down NHS costs. Just the thought of cutting out delicious, succulent red meats which have been the main source of our food chain since the world began, is abhorrent. Meat is harmlous, nutrional and necessary to our continued health, we are being led down the path to anerexia, if we listen to the paranoia of the Goverment and vegans/vegetarians.Imagine a skeleton with the caption/bubble floating from it's mouth saying 'I QUIT EATING, SMOKING AND DRINKING BECAUSE THE POWERS THAT BE TOLD ME TO' We might save the Government more money if we refused to be born at all, tighten up on birth control. Sun 27 Feb 2011 08:46:48 GMT+1 CoeurDeHamster http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=86#comment294 As an expert from “The Amalgamated Union of Philosophers, Sages, Luminaries and Other Thinking Persons” said recently, “listening to experts can severely damage your sanity”.Anyway, as that great American philosopher (Liberace) once said – “too much of a good thing is wonderful”.I’ll drink to that. Sun 27 Feb 2011 08:35:05 GMT+1 Dr Bob Matthews http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=86#comment293 electricmriain. Please don't start lecturing others about their personal choices re smoking. You may not htink it enjoyable, but a lot of smokers do, that is their choice not yoours. One of the problems with this country is there are far too many people who consider it is their right to force their opinions on others. I suggest you become an MP or better then that keep your opinions about others enjoyment of life to yourself. Sun 27 Feb 2011 08:28:34 GMT+1 Dr Bob Matthews http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=86#comment292 In view of the great number of contradictions by " health experts" over the years it should be mandatory that all health warnings should carry a health Warning. Enough said. Sun 27 Feb 2011 08:20:01 GMT+1 ravenmorpheus2k http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=86#comment291 I note this "advice" is always aimed at the general populace.What about the likes of Cameron and co. Multi-Millionaires who must enjoy their fair share of red meat.All I see is them telling us what we should do and it's more of a case of "do as I say, not as I do" in this country and the "scientists" coming out with this "advice" do nothing to change that.I will eat what I wish to eat. Humans have been eating red meat since the dawn of time, yes people died back in the mists of time as well, so what's new? We all die. We all have a time to die.So I will certainly not change the way I eat based on some "advice" that may or may not be biased and definitely if it's coming from a government department.But I'll give some free advice to the "health experts" - you want the general public to be healthier, give them more money so they can afford to eat more healthily, and reduce their working hours so they can take time out to exercise and keep fit.Otherwise just keep quiet and allow people to get on with their lives as they see fit. Sun 27 Feb 2011 07:51:09 GMT+1 CoeurDeHamster http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=85#comment290 The Health Department is recommending we eat no more than 70g a week, the equivalent of three rashers of bacon a day.Does anyone else see a “bacon tax” coming up to persuade us to eat what nanny wants us to? The fact that it’d be another cash cow – errr pig – for the government would just be a bonus. Sun 27 Feb 2011 06:19:49 GMT+1 beammeup http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=85#comment289 #289 Lighten up Disaffectedmajority! This is only a silly question and for most of us we have had our say in a light hearted way. Certainly no reason to have a coronary!!! Sun 27 Feb 2011 03:52:46 GMT+1 Disaffectedmajority http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=85#comment288 Now... how did that song go...? "It's illegal, it's immoral or it makes you fat" An additional stanza should be added i.e. "If it makes you happy then it must be crappy"Go on gobble up all that lovely gooey trans-fat, I bet you just can't wait to get type II diabetes, heart disease, become obese, go on you know you want to! Keep the NHS busy, absolve yourself of all responsibility for your own health and wellbeing you know it makes sense! Morons! Sun 27 Feb 2011 03:18:56 GMT+1 firemensaction http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=84#comment287 Anyone born in the war (apart from the pampered set who always seem urged to lecture US on how we should behave/speak/run a home/bring up our kids/learn etc etc.) will know that anyone living today in GB HAS NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD!!!During the 1930s & 1940s , the workers were poorer, underfed, badly nourished and DIDN`T EAT MEAT (it was rationed). But the lovey upper crust (who remember give out all the advice) could get loads of meat at their clubs or their top class restaurants!kids caught every disease going, measles, chicken pox, mumps, scarlet fever, diptheria etc.We were told that getting a childhood disease gave us immunisation from futher attacks of the same illness, and so it proved.We were all on very poor diets, lived near the factories that spewed out the fumes and homes were really basic. (Some only had an outside toilet and ONE cold tap in the house).Don`t eat red meat??? Don`t be stupid. I suppose none of these "experts" came from really deprived homes such as there are still many examples of today??Eat what you like, drink what you like, smoke if you wish, and don`t bother reading the "traffic lights" labels on food.I am well past retirement, and have been mistaken for a 45yr old.I just ate what I felt like all my life, ....and never trusted experts!Have a good day, you`ve never had it so good!! Sat 26 Feb 2011 23:29:59 GMT+1 Rabbitkiller http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=84#comment286 It won't change my diet one bit. I have to laugh at the contradictory 'evidence' presented by this or that 'health expert', which as often as not is later disproved or contradicted by other 'health experts'.Of course, scaring the public and politicians generates funding for yet more 'scientific' food studies. Jobs for the boys!My advice is to eat a balanced diet, as most people in fact do, and ignore these self-styled 'experts'. We managed quite well before all this statistical nonsense became fashionable. Sat 26 Feb 2011 23:14:21 GMT+1 J Workerbee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=84#comment285 No, but common sense does, hence no Maccy D's, jars of sauce or other junk food. I imagine milk is more dangerous, see www.notmilk.com but we have been sold the idea of the benefits for years. Sat 26 Feb 2011 23:11:24 GMT+1 Shift That Paradigm http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=84#comment284 282. At 10:21pm on 26 Feb 2011, AJS wrote:@ Shift That Paradigm, #280: I suspect many of the current crop of digestive ailments ranging from Crohn's disease, through to irritable bowel disease, etc., etc., have some common cause with gut exposure to washing up liquid.You know, I'd never thought of that. Obvious though, it attacks grease, so if it survives the stomach acid then it could indeed do damage further down. But I do always rinse my dishes thoroughly anyway; I never liked the taste that the stuff can leave behind. And I only ever use white, non-chlorine-bleached, recycled toilet paper. The dyes from the coloured sort can't possibly do you any good, if they enter your system through the mucous membrane. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Hi AJS,More about the coloured sort of toilet paper. Some years ago, a friend from Canada was over here. When she returned to Canada she took a suitcase full of the pink variety as any coloured toilet paper was unavailable there. The government perceived it as a cancer risk due to the possibility of carcinogenic dyes having been used. She told me that pink rolls were a status symbol over there... Sat 26 Feb 2011 22:54:39 GMT+1 TimListfield http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=83#comment283 There's so much contradictory information going around about health, that it's all become useless. So I just eat what I like and exercise. Solves the problem. Sat 26 Feb 2011 22:47:17 GMT+1 Karl Flavell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=83#comment282 39. At 1:47pm on 25 Feb 2011, zrzavy wrote:Red meats PERMANENTLY change the DNA of the bowel. Research it!We should only eat animals which we can kill with our hands (as our teeth witness). =================================================I assume you mean something like rats or gerbils. It would be very difficult to strangle a cow or a pig..-------------------------------------------------------------------Humans only eat cows and pigs because we developed tools, but they are not our natural foods and we should not eat it. =======================================================I'd never really thought of cavemen killing mammoths with spears for something to eat as using tools as such. Lets face it you couldn't strangle a mammoth.-----------------------------------------------------Listen to the scientists. They spend their lives researching such things. The masses rely on gut reaction.===========================================What like going for a dump after eating a huge meal. I call that a normal bowel movement. However from the tone and direction of your post I would imagine (correct me if I'm wrong) you are a vegetablist or only eat small rodents that you can choke. I am somewhat cynical about these health warnings due to the fact they reverse themselves on a regular basis. I will not be eating a diet of purely vegetables from now on as I enjoy eating meat, pretty much the same as I enjoy a pint or a smoke. The day we are born we start dying. The timespan on the blue planet? Varies but inevitably ends. Such is life... Sat 26 Feb 2011 22:23:52 GMT+1 AJS http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=83#comment281 @ Shift That Paradigm, #280:I suspect many of the current crop of digestive ailments ranging from Crohn's disease, through to irritable bowel disease, etc., etc., have some common cause with gut exposure to washing up liquid.You know, I'd never thought of that. Obvious though, it attacks grease, so if it survives the stomach acid then it could indeed do damage further down. But I do always rinse my dishes thoroughly anyway; I never liked the taste that the stuff can leave behind. And I only ever use white, non-chlorine-bleached, recycled toilet paper. The dyes from the coloured sort can't possibly do you any good, if they enter your system through the mucous membrane. Sat 26 Feb 2011 22:21:56 GMT+1 Fugl5 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=82#comment280 If you follow every single piece of advice these people have, then you'll be living a long life which is almost not worth living at all. (not just talking about food btw)Or you could get hit by a bus tomorrow and missed some of the finer things. I'm not advocating being unhealthy, but everything needs to be done in moderation. Even trying to live forever... Sat 26 Feb 2011 21:56:11 GMT+1 Shift That Paradigm http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=82#comment279 One thing that usually doesn't get mentioned in dietary advice is don't eat washing up liquid in any dilution.In other words, rinse your dishes clean of the stuff. It is formulated to attack predominantly animal fats and your intestines are lined with cells that have a fatty component that is progressively weakened by detergents.I suspect many of the current crop of digestive ailments ranging from Crohn's disease, through to irritable bowel disease, etc., etc., have some common cause with gut exposure to washing up liquid.I'd personally prefer to rinse every time rather than take any risks with powerful detergents. After all, whenever has it been the case that residues of washing up liquid are deemed essential in any recipe?The trouble is that this advice doesn't resonate too well with hands that do dishes can feel soft as your face but I'm not having a pop at that particular one. It's all of them. Have some respect for the serious chemistry that goes into washing up liquid. Please. Sat 26 Feb 2011 21:31:11 GMT+1 Ron C http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=82#comment278 276. At 8:25pm on 26 Feb 2011, dorflimp wrote:How much Red Meat Poo do we have to put up with before those that issue these Smug and Sanctimonious warnings and researched "Facts" realise that they are endangering themselves by sending all the free thinkers amongst us "Postal".Get out of my life,I will live it my way and snuff it my way. I do not approve or disapprove of others way of life and I do not expect others to do so of mine. Complain about this comment---------------------------------If you think this is getting up your nose, wait until the census forms start landing on the hallway. You ai`nt gonna believe it. Sat 26 Feb 2011 21:04:03 GMT+1 righteoussasquatch http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=81#comment277 All public health warning are evaluated and considered for relevance. Some of these messages will result in changed activity. Yes I do eat less red meat in recognition if its effect on blood pressure and bowel disease. This may in reality have no effect on future outcomes but hey I acted responsibly and gave self some TLC. Sat 26 Feb 2011 21:02:09 GMT+1 kingofsuffolk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=81#comment276 Just like the last government, the difference is this government has and will make sure if your poor meat will not be a problem, just like milk wheat etc, kill the poor feed the rich. Sat 26 Feb 2011 21:02:03 GMT+1 dorflimp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=81#comment275 How much Red Meat Poo do we have to put up with before those that issue these Smug and Sanctimonious warnings and researched "Facts" realise that they are endangering themselves by sending all the free thinkers amongst us "Postal".Get out of my life,I will live it my way and snuff it my way. I do not approve or disapprove of others way of life and I do not expect others to do so of mine. Sat 26 Feb 2011 20:25:54 GMT+1 DontTrustTheGovernment http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=81#comment274 I can't afford to buy red meat so it's a moot point really. Sat 26 Feb 2011 19:49:44 GMT+1 roger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=80#comment273 why is it that its always the nice things that are bad for us ? how did my old gran get to 98 without all the health warnings we recive today, in her day you could eat what you want and no body said not to. guess she was just lucky.and if living is eating salads every day and not getting a bacon sandwhich then god help us Sat 26 Feb 2011 19:42:27 GMT+1 Alice http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=80#comment272 Why do these people think that I'm going to listen to them? ...At all?*scoffs her tasty weekly steak down the pub* Sat 26 Feb 2011 19:35:35 GMT+1 Ron C http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=80#comment271 The seriously obese, I doubt it. Sat 26 Feb 2011 19:10:39 GMT+1 Le Powerful http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=79#comment270 I heard a report on the radio that chocolate is actually good for you. I'm sure it is if you eat a little bit but going through a 1kg bar just makes you feel like a big piggy. So much so that when I last ate a big car of choccie I followed it up with a couple of bacon sandwiches.Chill out people. You're going to be dead for a very long time so if you enjoy a steak or butter on your crumpets or chips cooked in lard you ignore the food nazis and fill yer boots. Sat 26 Feb 2011 19:07:59 GMT+1 D_H_Wilko http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=79#comment269 The society for Nanny state do gooders has warned that punching yourself repeatedly in the face is bad for your health. Sat 26 Feb 2011 18:56:21 GMT+1 windblown http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=79#comment268 I have a healthy balanced diet. Why should I concern myself with health warnings? For examples, eggs used to be bad for you, now they are good for you. I have always eaten eggs, as part of my balanced diet, and will continue to do so Sat 26 Feb 2011 18:54:41 GMT+1 Manchester Lizard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=78#comment267 My Gran used to say if you followed all the health warnings you wouldn't eat anything. When she turned 60 she said that's it at her age it makes no difference what she eats and she'll eat what she wants. She lived until she was 87 and was fit and active to the end. I'll follow my Grans advice, thank you. Sat 26 Feb 2011 18:49:36 GMT+1 beammeup http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=78#comment266 Health Experts make me sick! Just kidding of course, but you have to admit they are a pain.I suggest that 'fear' does us harm. So enjoy!!!Now where did I put my cigarettes...... Sat 26 Feb 2011 18:38:02 GMT+1 D_H_Wilko http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=78#comment265 An evil professor has warned that we should drink less poison. Sat 26 Feb 2011 18:35:52 GMT+1 jurassicflood http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=78#comment264 What might stop me would be an advertising campaign on the lines of: (Restaurant or Burger Bar) Let's have a big juicy steak ... burger...No thanks, I'd rather avoid bowel cancer - along the lines of the globs of fat falling off the cigarette which was an advert a while ago. Sat 26 Feb 2011 18:26:56 GMT+1 david http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=77#comment263 Nope - next week a new survey/research/whatever will be telling us to eat MORE red meat. Sat 26 Feb 2011 18:19:50 GMT+1 swearydad http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=77#comment262 From the BBC article: "Do you regularly tuck in to a couple of sizzling rashers of bacon for breakfast, a ham sandwich for lunch and a juicy rump steak for dinner?If so, then you're probably eating more than the new recommended allowance of red and processed meat."Another incorrectly worded piece of nonsense from a member of the food police. There is no such thing as an "allowance." Nobody can tell me I've eaten more of something than I am "allowed" to. There ia a recommended amount but not, ever, is there an "allowance." I am allowed to eat what I like and today it was four lamb chops. Tomorrow I will have chilli con carne and Monday will be two pork chops. Sat 26 Feb 2011 18:15:18 GMT+1 mikeyboson619 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=77#comment261 the fact that every few years new research contradicts research from previous years about what is healthy and what isn't so i pay no attention to anything i hear in the news. If i payed any attention to what these 'so-called' experts say i would be hardly doing anything with my life. I wouldn't be eating red meat, i wouldn't be drinking alcohol, i wouldn't be doing exercise etc etc etc. I know that drinking lots of alcohol is bad for you and i know that eating macdonalds for breakfast, dinner and tea is bad for you. However, it's my life and i will live it how i want to, i will eat what i want and i will drink what i want.So do I pay any attention to these health warnings? Absolutely not because in 3-4 years time, we will be told something completely different about what to avoid. Sat 26 Feb 2011 17:32:03 GMT+1 SimpleOldSailor http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=76#comment260 Moderation in all things say I and it seems a fairly healthy way in which to live but then the days of my youth are long behind me. I can remember visiting Monte Video nearly 50 years ago and eating a steak called I think Bife da Paloma or some such, the chips and garnish came on a separate plate, the meat must have been nearly two pounds in weight. Ah that was real excess.Nowadays a six ounce steak would be enough not that I eat British beef at all being more concerned about BSE and nvCJD than the possibility of beef induced cancer. It is strange isn't it, the authorities don't want us to suffer bowel cancer caused by over indulgence in red meat but they are quite prepared to allow people to eat beef from a food chain which still carries a risk, however small they might say it is, of catching a brain destroying disease from 10 grams of beef. Sat 26 Feb 2011 17:11:17 GMT+1 Disaffectedmajority http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=76#comment259 I'm sure that it might help some to stop and think but the majority of those who eat inappropriate food do it knowingly and choose to ignore the consequences and expect the more health aware and proactive to create space for them in the many health disciplines created to look after and undo the damage that the stupid do to themselves. But what isn't addressed here is the culpability of the processed food industry that knowingly sell health damaging crap for profit. They are the real villans in this issue, the sufferers really are too stupid to do otherwise! Sat 26 Feb 2011 17:08:04 GMT+1 Conner De Public http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=76#comment258 Do Government health warnings make you change your diet?Two words.ERIC PICKLES. Sat 26 Feb 2011 16:50:49 GMT+1 Rinc3wind http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=76#comment257 No, cause these so called 'experts' will change their minds again in a months time. Sat 26 Feb 2011 16:42:10 GMT+1 MrWonderfulReality http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=75#comment256 I personally think there is a harmful link between numptys and experts. Sat 26 Feb 2011 16:41:49 GMT+1 MrWonderfulReality http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=75#comment255 253. At 3:43pm on 26 Feb 2011, DH Wilko wrote:various"i would rather die young...overpupulated world...miserable old age"If you get bowel cancer,You could spend several miserable years of old age wearing a colostomy bag.========================================I know of a few people with colostomy bag resulting from bowel cancer and none are miserable. Its quuality of life that makes you miserable, many people with cancer and other deathly illnesses manage to do many things to make the last days happy and fulfilled, with some going on to run marathons and bike rides and al sorts of activitys to raise money for others.There are probably far more miserable people who do not suffer from serious deathly illness, you just have to read BBC HYS pages to see the pure misery guts out there. Sat 26 Feb 2011 16:40:33 GMT+1 kingofsuffolk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=75#comment254 No, just the cost of living does all of that and more for myself and my family, starvation keeps us slim, in the ‘we are all in it together UK’ after the guv has taxed our wages, private landlords bled us dry, and not forgetting the privatised utilities and so on, we simply dream of red meat, last time we could afford Lamb was over a year ago. And we work, no smoking, one bottle of wine a month!We are seriously thinking of throwing ourselves over to a Scandinavian country as economic refugees. Sat 26 Feb 2011 15:52:42 GMT+1 jurassicflood http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=74#comment253 No, health PROBLEMS and a wake-up call of seeing myself in photographs put me on a diet. My husband got numbness in his leg almost from waist to knee. His GP took one look at him and said "Lose weight and you will almost certainly lose the problem". Being overweight myself and having seen dreadful pictures of us at a recent wedding looking like two balloons, I decided that now was the time, action was needed and put us both on a low calorie low GI diet. 22 lbs lost in three months for me, 35 lb for him so far and only about half way there but we will do it. No booze, no wheat, no rice, no potatoes and no hunger pangs. Works for us. Sat 26 Feb 2011 15:49:29 GMT+1 D_H_Wilko http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=74#comment252 various"i would rather die young...overpupulated world...miserable old age"If you get bowel cancer,You could spend several miserable years of old age wearing a colostomy bag.__________________________________ Sat 26 Feb 2011 15:43:59 GMT+1 corum-populo-2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=74#comment251 Reduce red meat consumption from the experts.Stand by my posts on this issue.So what do the highly paid experts eat?What do our MPs., MEPs., Lords and Ladies eat?Well, there are great options for all of the tax-payer paid salaries/pensions/subsides for the above:1) tax-payers also subsidise House of Commons and Lords restaurants/bars.1a) organic options1b) 'guests' can join an MP or Lord/Lady on their 'tab' to be claimed under expenses or allowances by said MP or Lord/Lady.You know - as I write - I know that I, and others, have said this all before - the scandal continues - nothing has changed. It's tiresome and pointless - one supposes, that the system that runs such areas listed, will continue taking the rise.If you are in a position of power, and have access to some of the best food in the world - heavily subsidised - or on your list of expenses/allowances - what would you do? Sat 26 Feb 2011 15:27:57 GMT+1 thomas http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=73#comment250 Not a day goes by without the media reports that some foodstuff or other is bad for us. If we listen to everything we are told we would have to live on grass and fresh air. As we are not cows I think I will stick to what I know best - a little of what you fancy does you good.(Please not the word little).I am seventy years old and can vouch that as you age your appetite wanes - so when I do fancy some 'sin' or other I will indulge. I just try and use food that is as fresh as possible. One takeaway meal a week may be one too many but who cares. Sat 26 Feb 2011 15:22:54 GMT+1 Syni_cal http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=73#comment249 I would like to live until I'm 95 or maybe even 100 but at what cost?I am expected to work until within a year or two of my death, in order to achieve this greater age and extended WORKING life I must (1) not smoke, (2) not drink more in a week than I could drink in an hour, (3) eat a lettuce rather than a steak.Having considered my options, I've decided to have a few beers and order a kebab and if this means that I die tomorrow rather than working for another forty years, so be it. Sat 26 Feb 2011 15:13:54 GMT+1 sackofpotatoes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=73#comment248 I have absolutely zero interest in what various 'health departments' recommend me to to eat. Similar to this 'five-a-day' nonsense, it's just brainwash.What the hell has it got to do with them anyway? Doubtless, these white-coated idiots in laboratories are simply attempting to justify their ridiculous salaries and subsequent funding at the tax-payers expense. Their desperation to escape the chop by concocting rubbish reports such as this, telling us all what to eat and what not to is becoming tiresome.Verrrrry sinister times.---------------------------------------------------------------------White coated idiots? Nice to know that after studying ones backside off for 4 years and doing another 3/4 years for a PhD that it is still possible to be an idiot. As far as "overpaid" is concerned, don't make me laugh. Scientists in the UK are ludicrously underpaid - that is why a) no one wants to study science and b) why a lot of scientists leave. If you have beef with the health authorities, fine, but to say that the people doing the research are all idiots is ridiculous. This is how science works: people publish a study, others read it and critique it. Then there might be more studies that elaborate and/or correct previous studies. Sometimes people publish good and useful papers, other times they might publish less good papers. It is up to the heath authorities to decide which data they will use to make a public recommendation. It not exactly the fault of the researchers if they choose unwisely. Sat 26 Feb 2011 15:12:17 GMT+1 Muddling Through http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=73#comment247 I don't listen at all - my mum religiously followed all health advice. She didn't drink to excess (only ever saw her drunk once), didn't smoke, exercised daily, ate a healthy balanced diet (with moderate red meat consumption) yet still died of bowel cancer at the age of 54. Ever since then my attitude has been to do what you want, eat what you want, drink what you want and enjoy your life as you never know what is round the corner. Sat 26 Feb 2011 14:36:41 GMT+1 freindleonewhocares http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=72#comment246 One warning after another,first it's harmful,then it is of benefit!!I for one will eat what I like and drink what I like,totally ignore these "health warning"freaks.All these "useful" reports must cost a small fortune keeping the busybodies in work,better put the money towards something really important. Sat 26 Feb 2011 14:35:18 GMT+1 MrWonderfulReality http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=72#comment245 Already people are being denied medical treatment/operations due to their lifestyle smoking/eating habits, often with excuses being made in one hospital while the same treatment/operation will be carried out at another hospital.I dont re-collect mountain climbers or skateboarders or footballers/rugby players, etc etc etc being refused treatments/operations due to their lifestyle choices.Some of these so called experts are in positions of power over peoples health, they are decision makers, hence are we to believe that their decisions/judgements are made purely via reasoning which excludes their beliefs and feelings of self abuse via eating/smoking etc. Sat 26 Feb 2011 14:34:39 GMT+1 sackofpotatoes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=72#comment244 I am always a bit wary of these studies that say there is a "link" between something and a medical condition. Many of them do not give any reasons for why this link appears to be there and in some cases, a different common factor was actually the link. It is better to wait for the research to mature a little before buying into it. However, that being said, the thing about red meat and bowel cancer is something that I have seen over several years from different sources, so there is a good chance that they are barking up the right tree. Besides, 70g of meat every day is quite a lot. It would be better for the planet (and waistlines) if some people reduced their intake. Sat 26 Feb 2011 14:31:47 GMT+1 MrWonderfulReality http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=71#comment243 Health experts are advising us to reduce the amount of red meat we consume to cut the risk of bowel cancer. Will this prompt you to change your eating habits? =================================Nice to have a choice, try telling some people/tribes in Africa whos main diet and source of protein is animals, red meat, I am sure they will be worried about bowel cancer, not. Sat 26 Feb 2011 14:15:32 GMT+1 MrWonderfulReality http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=71#comment242 At the end of the day, we do not all just fit into nice little human packages of absolute averageness, hence much of what experts continually suggest is good for us is far from factual and truthful reality for many people.A serious point is that so many people lose their appetite for politics and changing the world to a better and safer sustainable and fair just place so their appetite for life changes, hence comfort eating of which nice juicy red meat steaks and burgers are a full part.Personally, many people , myself included would rather die younger from bowel cancer or whatever than live a life of misery in old age due to worthless pensions incomes, constant rising prices and growing unaffordability of everything of substance and enjoyment, being a victim of crime and inhumane rip off criminal salesmen, and of the knowledge that even now, masses of care homes are being closed and care for elderly is just attrociously diabilical, whether some of the hit & miss horrendous treatment in hospitals being left in filth & pain & to go hungry, just because you are old & unable to speak/fend for yourself.No, I'd rather have a doze of bowel cancer thank you very much & just to ensure progress I am going to have a red meat fry up, with steak, lamb, high quality high meat content sausages, and bacon for dinner tonight. Sat 26 Feb 2011 14:12:07 GMT+1 MrWonderfulReality http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=71#comment241 Health experts are advising us to reduce the amount of red meat we consume to cut the risk of bowel cancer. Will this prompt you to change your eating habits? Yes, I might turn to bulimia, then I can eat as much as I want of whatever, sorted. Sat 26 Feb 2011 13:55:13 GMT+1 MrWonderfulReality http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=71#comment240 239. At 1:40pm on 26 Feb 2011, KnightShift wrote:My short answer to this question is NO. My grandmother always said 'a little of what you fancy does you good', and how right she was. If people just eat normal meals with a few treats, and didn't gorge on junk food, our health would be exactly the same as it was 40 years ago.==============================================The only problem with that is that if I ate a little of what I fancy then I'd be a cannibal!!!! Sat 26 Feb 2011 13:49:32 GMT+1 MrWonderfulReality http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=70#comment239 238. At 1:34pm on 26 Feb 2011, RitaKleppmann wrote:No. Definitely not. My body knows tells me what it needs and when to stop (extremely useful, that) and I suspect that our bodies are designed that way but most people have stopped listening.======================================Oh dear, hearing voices are we.The only sounds my body makes is a grumbling tum when it wants munchies and for some reason I seem to be able to translate this into "I want steak" Sat 26 Feb 2011 13:48:10 GMT+1 KnightShift http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/02/do_health_warnings_make_you_ch.html?page=70#comment238 My short answer to this question is NO. My grandmother always said 'a little of what you fancy does you good', and how right she was. If people just eat normal meals with a few treats, and didn't gorge on junk food, our health would be exactly the same as it was 40 years ago. As for the comments made about red meat, people have been eating it for thousands of years, and not come to any harm. The people who need instant hospital treatment are the malnourished 0 size models who look like something out of a horror film. I expect Bowel cancer is more likely caused by not having enough fibre in the diet then anything else. Sat 26 Feb 2011 13:40:33 GMT+1