Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html en-gb 30 Tue 05 May 2015 06:28:39 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html timbo12 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=99#comment583 If this action applied to other activities, we would ban all driver's for the sins of the minority.We could imprison all offender's for the actions of murderer's and rapist's.Please Mr Gilmore, let's tackle the real problem, or is that too complicated for you. Thu 20 Jan 2011 09:24:13 GMT+1 5XX http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=99#comment582 This is the equivalent of putting speed cushions in the road.It punishes everybody because of the actions of the few.If some vehicles are going too fast, enforce the speed limit.If some people drink too much, enforce the drunk and disorderly laws.Better still, make the alcoholics pay the full costs of their actions including policing, damage to property, street cleaning and ambulance & NHS costs.When a evenings excess costs £5000 they will curb their habit, and the innocent will not be affected. Thu 20 Jan 2011 08:37:08 GMT+1 Christine http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=99#comment581 A number of Nordic countries have state run off licences and high alcohol prices for this very reason. Binge drinking is still a huge problem. People simply turn to home brewing which brings a new set of problems. The high price of booze in pubs and clubs has also given birth to the "pre-party" where people start their drinking at home before going out. Banning cheap booze won't stop binge drinking, it'll simply change how, where and what. Thu 20 Jan 2011 08:34:41 GMT+1 Aziz Merchant http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=99#comment580 Those addicted will drink rain or shine. Crime will increase. People will attend more booze parties. Do those in the corridors of power pay for the drinks. So drinking will indirectly increase? Has cigarette- smoking decreased after arbitrary price-increases and with those ghoulish pictures on packs? The answer to both is a flat No. Thu 20 Jan 2011 08:32:08 GMT+1 Pembslad http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=99#comment579 kevthebrit......365. At 5:30pm on 18 Jan 2011, kevthebrit wrote:"21 should be the age to drink in the UK just as it is here in the USA. I mean to drink not just to purchess it! Alcohol has ALWAYS been a curse to those fools that do not know how to use it! But! Sadly most of the abusers are idiots to start with!The price of alcohol is far to cheap compared to other forms of drugs that can and do ruin lives!"So an 18 year old can join the armed forces, fight for his country, die for his country, yet he is too young to drink?? Sorry but this smacks of total discrimination. Plus because of this law many teens find it easier to get hard drugs than they can to get alcohol.To those that want to repeal 24 hour drinking: What do you think people will go after 11pm, especially when nowadays the night is still young at 11pm? I imagine there will be an increase in all night house parties if thie was to happen. Loud music in residenital neighbourhoods until 4am, binge drinking, drug taking, unprotected sex etc. At least if they are in the pub or club, they are enjoying themsleves in public placesAs for minimum pricing on alcohol I'd doubt that would be a deterrent either. But if that extra money went to the NHS, Social Services, policing and other services which alcohol can have a burden on then I would be all for it. Why should we pay more taxes to maintain the health of those who ruin their bodies through drink? Thu 20 Jan 2011 08:26:14 GMT+1 Apolloin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=98#comment578 This does not surprise me. The government appears to be focusing on the abolition of cheap price tags on everything else... Thu 20 Jan 2011 08:09:33 GMT+1 TruthBot http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=98#comment577 It wont affect me as I rarely drink in pubs/bars anyway as I can rarely afford to do so. The social get-togethers in the local are a thing of the past as far as I am concerned. Where I live now there is a lovely looking pub opposite that usually looks empty and I have never been in there as I cannot afford to. If the government was remotely serious about curbing binge drinking then they would look at the cause - the fact that life in Britain is so utterly un-fulfilling for the relatively impoverished masses in one of the most expensive countries in the World. Anyway, 'binge drinking' is the wrong beast to demonise. As usual, moral crusaders link binge-drinking to chronic over-drinking. Getting tipsy once in a while is fine, it's when it becomes a routine that it harms people. Perhaps the government thinks alcohol is sinful! I wouldn't be surprised with the wacky nonsense that they come out with. Perhaps the Christian fundamentalist fruit-cakes are running the show over here as they are in the US? After all, drinking and underage sex (shock, gasp horror, not sex outside marriage!) have been likened to murder and all sorts of crime! These pseudomoral 'do-gooders' are the most sinful of the lot, and there is nothing Christian in what they do! Thu 20 Jan 2011 07:18:11 GMT+1 Mustafa Beer http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=98#comment576 It's just another tax hike, thinly clothed . Will prices go up and hours be restricted in the H o C bars in Westminster? Doubt it! Thu 20 Jan 2011 07:11:30 GMT+1 colin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=98#comment575 still cheaper than coca cola,no wonder children buy the s....... Thu 20 Jan 2011 07:08:36 GMT+1 Asterix-in-Poland http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=98#comment574 570. At 00:38am on 20 Jan 2011, kryton101 wrote:Alchohol is a poison that gets us 'merry' cheaply but it's a poison none the less.======One man's poison is another man's medicine. I disagree that alcohol is a poison it does in fact have many medicinal properties. The UK causes it's own binge drinking problem by charging so much for alcohol. Apart from Ireland the UK has the highest duty on alcohol in Europe (whilst Cyprus has the lowest). If there was less duty and tax on alcohol we would in fact drink less and the brewers would still be happy as they would be making more money when they had less duty to pay. What happens to all the duty and Vat we pay ? Whilst food manufactures are forced to declare exactly what ingredients they use, so too should the government be forced to tell us exactly what our tax is being spent on. When I buy a can of larger for 80p I would like to know what the government is doing with the 55p duty and vat they have taken, Is it being used to find more jobs for young people ? Is it being used to fund youth clubs ? Or is it being used to pay for some MP's porn films ? Thu 20 Jan 2011 07:07:12 GMT+1 solomondogs http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=98#comment573 Here we go again, another bright idea that will only serve to keep more reponsible drinkers at home and close more rural pubs. These idiots who drink themselves to oblivion will do so regardless of how much their alcohol is. there has been a culture change in Britain over the past 10-12 years, yes we have always had a lot to drink there has always been drunks, but not on the scale and with the associated violence that we now see.Lets start treating these youngsters with a little less patience, I don't want the police calling them 'mate', I want them thrown in a van or frog marched to their parents house, better still photographed sobbing like a girl, when they realise that they're are not quite as tough as they thought, then publish it in the local rag every week. Putting up alcohol prices will merely serve to bankrupt small businesses, we should be targeting the louts rather than the innocent. Thu 20 Jan 2011 07:03:48 GMT+1 Retro Knight http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=97#comment572 No. This idea is the dictionary definition of "Token Gesture".Perhaps if the minimum price was set to, say, £50 per litre, it would have an impact. 38p per can? Please.At the charity where I volunteer, we regularly have people asking for food parcels. We don't just hand them out like stickers - we take the time to find out what got that person to the point that he/she cannot afford food, and try to guide them, over time, towards ways out of that hole. The two most common holes that their money has fallen down are drink and drugs. Administrative problems with benefits are a distant third.That is what the government has missed. We are not just dealing with people who want to drink a lot - we are dealing with addiction. Price is not going to have much of an impact on that, not when some people would readily spend their available money on drink BEFORE they buy food or pay the rent.An agency in town sells packs containing 4 sandwiches, a warm drink, and 2 tins of food for a pound a time. They find these same people saying that they cannot afford it. One solitary pound for a day's food - and they don't have it. Why? They've already drunk or injected or sniffed it.It's an addiction. It takes control of your life, blinkers you to anything else except the addiction, and takes a massive, ongoing amount of willpower and support to get free of it. We recognise that it's not easy, that it is a disease, and that's why we continue to help. But, seriously, if anyone thinks 38p a can is going to combat the drunkenness of Britain, I have to ask what THEY have been drinking! Thu 20 Jan 2011 06:50:10 GMT+1 Ivan Denisovich http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=97#comment571 I don’t think our say matters very much as the BBC seem to have already decided for ushttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12214439Note the use of language. Michelle Roberts is not saying that a theoretical minimum price for alcohol “might” or “could” save lives but that it “would”. Not exactly the language I would expect from the famously impartial BBC especially considering that the whole Sheffield study is based on theory and interpretation of other peoples work in places like the Australian outback rather than hard evidence. I wonder if anyone at the BBC has ever read the work that this article and the campaigners refer to. My guess is no but that is just an opinion. Thu 20 Jan 2011 00:58:37 GMT+1 regularman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=97#comment570 Booze makes people drunk. Guns Kill People and Spoons make people fat. Its not about the item or the price, its about personal responsibility. That is what needs to be enforced. Its time to quit blaming objects and start blaming the bad people for doing bad things and punish them. Thu 20 Jan 2011 00:47:14 GMT+1 kryton101 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=97#comment569 The UK has a terrible addiction to drink. Weekend bingers are a small and well documented aspect but just one aspect. A vast army of drinkers occupies the UK sipping away in various quantities day after day in pubs and bars and often at home all the while telling themselves that they dont drink often or dont have a problem. It's a bit like meeting a vegtarian and suddenly declaring that you only eat meat a few times a week (mostly lies and why the guilt?)Alchohol is a poison that gets us 'merry' cheaply but it's a poison none the less. It makes us fat, unwell, lowers our immunity to disease, damages the liver and a whole host of other risk factors are raised by drinking. But we love the stuff so much we are prepared to ignore all this to fight for the right to slowly be poisoned to death with cheap beer. Thu 20 Jan 2011 00:38:46 GMT+1 Oliver http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=97#comment568 FAO Cariboo:Well at least you acknowledge that my intentions are good. Goodnight, it's quite late here in Turkey. Thu 20 Jan 2011 00:00:36 GMT+1 lordBanners http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=97#comment567 However you slice, it's a CASH-GRAB! Wed 19 Jan 2011 23:57:31 GMT+1 Cariboo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=96#comment566 @564. Oliver wrote:FAO CARIBOO:Also note my use of the conditional tense, would, throughout my comments. I am writing hypothetically, I have little faith in my ideas becoming reality. The price of alcohol will rise marginally, imagine the reaction of middle aged singletons (simpletons?) left high and dry, no pun intended!Calling people simpletons is pretty strong for someone who hypothetically cause people to be permanently blinded by your own ignorance. Hypothetically may anal orifice. You stuffed up because you did not follow through on your hypothetical idea for all of the ramifications. You just stopped when you got to the bit you liked.The road to someones hell is paved with your good intentions. Wed 19 Jan 2011 23:44:29 GMT+1 Robert http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=96#comment565 Price is a the key hovever but surely this wont work.Its the relative pice of drinks is importantYou need to make weak alcoholic drinks very cheap compared to strong alcoholic drinksPeople will choose to drink 2.5% beer if it was a 1/4 the price of 5% beer Drinking twice the volume is unlkely to occur(not easy to do !)Better plan1) Reduce/Remove tax from weak alcoholic drinks2) Increase price of strong alcoholic drinks.3) Promote drinking of weaker alcoholic drinks as cheap and cool and deliciousRoBF Wed 19 Jan 2011 23:33:48 GMT+1 Cariboo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=96#comment564 @562. Oliver wrote:F.A.O CARIBOOSubstance abusers are already blind. Investing in psychological services would help such people to regain their vision and lead meaningful and gainful lives.I have no idea what "F.A.O" is supposed to mean. Is it rude and you are trying to avoid censorship?You seem to be ignorant that even a fluid ounce of meths is enough to cause permanent blindness, the white cane kind of blindness. Methylated spirit has a purple dye in it for that reason.There ain't no cure for the kind of blindness that meths causes.AgainThe road to someones hell is paved with your good intentions. Wed 19 Jan 2011 23:31:26 GMT+1 Oliver http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=96#comment563 FAO CARIBOO:Also note my use of the conditional tense, would, throughout my comments. I am writing hypothetically, I have little faith in my ideas becoming reality. The price of alcohol will rise marginally, imagine the reaction of middle aged singletons (simpletons?) left high and dry, no pun intended! Wed 19 Jan 2011 23:05:28 GMT+1 ummm OK http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=96#comment562 No, in the USA they will just drink Nyquil and Scope Mouthwash instead. Wed 19 Jan 2011 22:59:19 GMT+1 Oliver http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=96#comment561 F.A.O CARIBOOSubstance abusers are already blind. Investing in psychological services would help such people to regain their vision and lead meaningful and gainful lives. Wed 19 Jan 2011 22:59:10 GMT+1 Cariboo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=95#comment560 @560. Oliver wrote:558. At 10:17pm on 19 Jan 2011, Cariboo wrote:@556. Oliver wrote:but alcohol dependant people would probably resort to desperate measures in order to obtain alcohol.Yes they go blind from drinking methylated spirit. Very clever thinking.My comment:If the state were to earn more revenue through the taxation of alcohol, tobacco and other drugs, more money could be invested in services to help those who are dependent on such substances. I don't think my ideas are stupid, no more stupid than selling lager at a pound a pint anyway.-----------------------------------------------------------More clever thinking. Price booze out of reach for the alkies who then resort to meths and go blind. The state raises a lot of taxes and just may allocate a bit to help out the now blind alkies get of the meths.The road to someones hell is paved with your good intentions. Wed 19 Jan 2011 22:48:58 GMT+1 Oliver http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=95#comment559 558. At 10:17pm on 19 Jan 2011, Cariboo wrote:@556. Oliver wrote:but alcohol dependant people would probably resort to desperate measures in order to obtain alcohol.Yes they go blind from drinking methylated spirit. Very clever thinking.My comment:If the state were to earn more revenue through the taxation of alcohol, tobacco and other drugs, more money could be invested in services to help those who are dependent on such substances. I don't think my ideas are stupid, no more stupid than selling lager at a pound a pint anyway. Wed 19 Jan 2011 22:30:31 GMT+1 leading pundit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=95#comment558 This is a tax. Initially, it is so low, the only protests are that its "not enough". Gradually, it will rise, in each budget after weeks of TV shows showing the damage of binge drinking, and furious BBC lobbying for alcohol prices to be raised. Its solution to every social ill is higher inflation! We who consume sensibly will be reprimanded for being "middle class professionals" They who spit at and fight (!) police patrolling town centres will go on being recycled with community orders and meagre fines that their mates can pay, so that they keep creating mayhem, fighting PCs and puking in cabs.Why cant the idiots pay for their messing up, and why must we the innocent middle class always get stung for the cost of moronism?Every time, its the innocent who are punished.The rich politicians can afford dearer booze, they live off our backs! Wed 19 Jan 2011 22:20:23 GMT+1 Cariboo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=95#comment557 @556. Oliver wrote:but alcohol dependant people would probably resort to desperate measures in order to obtain alcohol.Yes they go blind from drinking methylated spirit. Very clever thinking. Wed 19 Jan 2011 22:17:10 GMT+1 Cariboo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=95#comment556 @489. Pragmale wrote:We need to treat the booze culture the same as smoking. Lung cancer incidence rates peaked in the late 1970s and since then have decreased by more than 45%. This reflects the decline in smoking rates after World War II. (Facts from Cancer Research) But will politicians put common sense and public health before revenue. We are well aware of our politicians greed and self interest.I cannot be bothered to check up on on your numbers. I do observe that for every person not dying of lung cancer there is a person dying of something else. You do not have a cure for dying and perhaps only have a recipe for dying of old timers. If you (and your ilk) would stop dictating to the world how the inhabitants should live their lives to your standards, people would be happier and being happy increases life span. In your case you may find a shortened life span because of unhappiness caused by keeping your unwelcome opinions to your self. Wed 19 Jan 2011 22:13:14 GMT+1 Oliver http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=95#comment555 Laws need to become more concise and consistent. Cannabis as well as many other substances have been criminalised. The effects of alcohol are more harmful than those of cannabis - this has been proven.It is unrealistic and impractical at this late stage to suddenly ban the selling of alcohol and tobacco. I think cannabis and perhaps cocaine should be legalised and heavily taxed. The same high level of tax should be applied to alcohol and tobacco too.Those who binge-drink socially would be unable to do so but alcohol dependant people would probably resort to desperate measures in order to obtain alcohol. Wed 19 Jan 2011 21:58:17 GMT+1 PAUL WILLIAMS http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=94#comment554 Britain has become a mightily depressing place to live. There just isn't any real fun anymore. Town centres used to have lots of choice of entertainment , other than drinking. Forty years ago we'd go to the cinema more than once a week too , see two films at each showing, then maybe have two or three pints and fish and chips afterwards. Now people still like coming into town at half past six on a Saturday but just drink all night. We should put the clock back, because this attempt at being 'continental' just hasn't worked. Nor do i really want to be stood at a pub bar with four year old children at seven o'clock at night...really annoying that. Bring back the responsible off licences, ban sale of alcohol in 'booze' shops and supermarkets , afternoon pub closing, give the staff ( and our livers) a break anyway! Seems like the whole country is under the influence sometimes...oh, and i like a drink... a big drink!! The government should not be encouraging drinking, which they have done, presumably to raise taxes, and to keep the voters from revolting... too drunk to care!! Wed 19 Jan 2011 21:58:05 GMT+1 yonex83 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=94#comment553 Today we must move to the true “educational” system, and this is something entirely new. It is not defined by how many physics or math classes a person has taken, but by how human a person becomes. A human is one who is connected with all others. Only this connection allows a person to be called a human being, not the amount of knowledge obtained.If a person continues to succeed in gaining knowledge alone, it will only assist in the design of more deadly weapons because a person will only be adding the knowledge received in school to an uncorrected ego. A person learns how to use others with this newly acquired information; this defines his success in life. An education determines only what profession one chooses and how much it pays. Is that education?If people see that there is a new system that offers true education for their children, they will immediately respond because the problem of education is obvious to everyone. Today people don’t even want to have children because they have nothing to give them. They would rather not bring them into this world of suffering and pain. Wed 19 Jan 2011 21:56:25 GMT+1 spacekadet http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=94#comment552 Nothing will curb the minority from binge drinking, not even prohibition. Wed 19 Jan 2011 21:28:01 GMT+1 MilwaukeeRay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=94#comment551 Making booze more expensive won't curtail drinking. After all, banning it altogether didn't work in America under Prohibition. People just made their own "bathtub gin", or bought watered-down hooch from gangsters. On the other hand, taxing booze heavily will raise some much-needed revenue for the government. It will all be applied to reduce the deficit, right? Wed 19 Jan 2011 21:23:08 GMT+1 david http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=94#comment550 Will banning cheap booze curb binge drinking?Response to post 74, John de Haura -I take it that's a 'No', then? Wed 19 Jan 2011 20:49:01 GMT+1 webboffin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=94#comment549 What cheap booze? I have not seen any on sale.People that want to get drunk will get drunk. No different than people who want to buy drugs will buy drugs and price has never stopped the drug culture.Our politicians are so out of touch like the so called medical experts who can't see the obvious in the difference between what is good for people and what people want to do regardless.Polititicans from the last government was tax it, tax it, tax it. Cameron has learned nothing better using the same failed thinking. The government cannot change attitudes by simply slapping up prices no more than we stop driving because of petrol prices. But then we have to all suffer because of a minority of drunks talk about treating us all like children. Wed 19 Jan 2011 20:31:40 GMT+1 BBC Biased Broadcasting Company http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=93#comment548 "398. At 7:15pm on 18 Jan 2011, jamie wrote:emmm THE SNP WERE GOING TO BRING THIS IN UP IN BONNY SCOTLAND BUT THE CONSERVATIVE LABOUR AND LIB DEMS VOTED THE BILL DOWN Now they are looking to do this in England is this not two faced and if so has our political system turned in to a place where mp's will vote down a bill just because they don’t like the party no matter how good the policy is Why vote this down in Scotland then introduce the same law in England??? I could be wrong but this stinks to me it seems parties in Scotland will vote any good policy down in Scotland just because they are not in power and they cannot take credit for this mmmmm On my own opinion I believe I pay tax on my wages in Scotland Last month = £290.00Community charge = £130.00 this is arrears Council tax payment current payment = £95.00 Tax on what I spend my money on £££££££££££££££££££££££££££National insurance last month £127.00Personally I’m sick to depth of working working working to only find my hard earned cash goes to England Now I don’t mind paying council tax but if I’m paying council tax up here for my council rubbish etc Why is my money going down south and what exactly do they do with this money Can someone tell me this???????????????WE PAY ENOUGH THANKS NO MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Your money going South!Ever heard of the Barnet formula - the one that means Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all get more money, per head, than England.What I want to know is why so much of English taxes is going up North! Wed 19 Jan 2011 20:30:03 GMT+1 RTFishall http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=93#comment547 At 7:15pm on 18 Jan 2011, jamie wrote:emmm THE SNP WERE GOING TO BRING THIS IN UP IN BONNY SCOTLAND BUT THE CONSERVATIVE LABOUR AND LIB DEMS VOTED THE BILL DOWNNow they are looking to do this in England is this not two faced and if so has our political system turned in to a place where mp's will vote down a bill just because they don’t like the party no matter how good the policy isWhy vote this down in Scotland then introduce the same law in England???I could be wrong but this stinks to me it seems parties in Scotland will vote any good policy down in Scotland just because they are not in power and they cannot take credit for this mmmmmOn my own opinion I believeI pay tax on my wages in ScotlandLast month = £290.00Community charge = £130.00 this is arrearsCouncil tax payment current payment = £95.00Tax on what I spend my money on £££££££££££££££££££££££££££National insurance last month £127.00Personally I’m sick to depth of working working working to only find my hard earned cash goes to EnglandNow I don’t mind paying council tax but if I’m paying council tax up here for my council rubbish etcWhy is my money going down south and what exactly do they do with this moneyCan someone tell me this???????????????WE PAY ENOUGH THANKS NO MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yes, and while your at it, why don't you have your own time zone and let us down south have lighter winter nights? lol Wed 19 Jan 2011 20:21:00 GMT+1 Marlais http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=93#comment546 Price will not be a deterrent for the element who habitually binge drink. I like a drink, but only in pubs, and not at home i.e. I'm a social drinker.I can't understand why people want to get totally smashed, but then I can't understand why kids want to stab each other, bully, and be totally obnoxious. Wed 19 Jan 2011 20:18:37 GMT+1 RTFishall http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=93#comment545 If people want to drink (and smoke) why not let them ? Cut out all that rubbish about what it costs the NHS. The amount they pay in tax far outweighs the cost. I'm sure you could buy brilliant private health care for what the serious drinkers and smokers pay in their taxes. Wed 19 Jan 2011 20:17:40 GMT+1 Paul J Weighell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=93#comment544 "Will banning cheap booze curb binge drinking? "Raising prices is already known to reduce consumption and it could add much needed tax revenue and save lives at the same time so why not? Wed 19 Jan 2011 20:15:33 GMT+1 BBC Biased Broadcasting Company http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=92#comment543 All I can say if you can show me a pub selling beer at 28p per unit, I want to go there! Wed 19 Jan 2011 20:06:26 GMT+1 Blogs On http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=92#comment542 If the price is raised supposedly to curb drinking people who wish to continue to drink may either resort to making their own, or/and a black market in contraband alcoholic beverages could arise. If the latter takes place one outcome may be the opposite of what the government intends because the drink would be primarily distilled, rather than brewed, with a higher alcoholic content. Of course all of the contraband would escape taxation. Further, a larger proportion of drinking could move from pubs into more clandestine settings. Wed 19 Jan 2011 19:28:35 GMT+1 markus_uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=92#comment541 So are the Tories the NuNuLabour? Brainless nanny state par excellence!By the way, since moving to the UK I have not seen anything that could be described as "cheap booze". The only places where alcoholic drinks are more expensive than in the UK will probably be Scandinavia and the black market in Teheran. Wed 19 Jan 2011 19:10:25 GMT+1 BLACK_PEARL http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=92#comment540 Never before have we had duty free priced drink on sale.It used to be regulated through Pubs clubs & offlicences only at reasonable prices.You couldn't buy drink in shops & supermarkets.But as the supermarkets grew they became rich and powerful and get every thing they want. They now own the local councils with all the free building & development work they do for them for free. Isn't this a form of bribery ?So the licence to sell alcohol is not a problem.I would suspect they dictate to Govt also by oiling the wheels with donations to partys and lobbying fees etc.Te new Barons of Britain.Basically the tale wagging the dog situation.Therefore the minimum pricing will I suspect mean nothing as it will never be high enough, just enough to make the supermarkets even more margin.Along with the no smoking ban the supermarkets quickly supplied year round cheap drink to capitalise on those smokers who now preferred to stay at home rather than go out to the pub, knocking the nails in the coffin of many drinking establishments.By letting supermarkets sell this cheap drink has helped to wreck the drinks industry and career prospects that went with it, plus lost a great deal of vat income for the Govt. to boot, leaving the fuel taxes the last major cash cow. Oh and how we're paying. Wed 19 Jan 2011 18:30:33 GMT+1 Les Acres http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=92#comment539 Simply stop the supermarkets from selling cheap booze! When you go into a pub these days, you don't know whether to drink it or insure it! Wed 19 Jan 2011 18:30:25 GMT+1 callisto http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=92#comment538 If British society (not Government - they can't tell people what to do), is prepared to watch and accept their future vomiting their future down the drain, more fool them. Britain is finished. My kids will go abroad when they're schooled, along with me. There will always be lots of immigrants to fill the gaps left by Britain's literally 'wasted' generation. And they won't have anyone else to blame. Wed 19 Jan 2011 18:11:14 GMT+1 D G Cullum http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=91#comment537 do an pole in the houses of Parliament how any bars and clubs do they have with cheap booze and food which is subsidised by the tax payer how many private clubs like men private clubs not working men clubs are they have no work to keep them open the Govenment is run by big business and they tell them what they want more drink or less more smoking or less to me its up to the person in the street what they spend their money on we used to have pubs closing at a good time now we have the booze business setting the opening hours so who is conning whom? Wed 19 Jan 2011 17:19:50 GMT+1 FrankieBoylesays http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=91#comment536 This debate should be about so much more than the question being asked.With any drugs policy (including alcohol), we as a society are collectively responsible for those amongst us who are either vulnerable or just plain stupid (that is what 'society' is about). The issue here is how as a society we should go about changing the behaviour of those, who for whatever reason cannot act responsibly themselves. In the short term the price of alcohol undoubedtly needs to rise (by how much can be argued about). The extra revenue then needs to be ringfenced (and I mean ringfenced; not frittered away on illegal wars, etc) and used solely by government for educating this generation and future generations of children of the dangers associated with alcohol misuse (and other drugs for that matter). Some of this extra revenue should be used in the short term to ensure that those amongst us who habitually become involved in criminal behaviour as a direct result of alcohol misuse are swiftly dealt with by the Justice system. I suggest the setting up of a dedicated unit in each police authority to ensure the full rigour of the law is applied and financial penalties imposed and collected direct from the employers of those convicted who work. Those who do not work should have their benefits reduced accordingly. Community service is also an option where financial penalties are not an option. The point here is to make people realise their actions will have consequences and to take responsibility for themselves.It may take a generation to change behavioural patterns significantly through education but a long term solution is the only way. There may be additional/better ways of spending the extra cash raised referred to above; I leave that to the "experts" but without additional revenue this debate is simply 'hot air'. Many people on this forum miss the point. It is not about individuals having to pay more for their favouite tipple; it is about everybody collectively taking responsibilty for a problem which blights this country's cities and towns every weekend. If we as a nation wish to really solve the problem long term, resources and human effort need to be put into it. Simply moaning about governments of whatever colour will not make the problem disappear. Rant over! Wed 19 Jan 2011 17:16:40 GMT+1 robbie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=91#comment535 "Drinks giant Diageo said the government should "concentrate on raising awareness of the dangers of alcohol misuse" and on enforcing existing licensing laws" - if Diageo are so concerned with alcohol misuse then why are they fronting their latest Johnnie Walker ad campaign with actor Hamish Clark (ex Monarch of the Glen) who is a recovering alcoholic - the irony is dripping! Wed 19 Jan 2011 16:02:08 GMT+1 Bibi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=91#comment534 Instead of punishing everyone for the shortcomings of a tiny minority, legislation should be put in place to prosecute the parents/guardians of drunken or drug-using children for neglect, such crime to have a really meaningful punishment attached, such as an ongoing fine of 30% of income to an agreed limit, confiscation of all luxury goods tv, stereo, computers, etc. and all vehicles, and the removal of the children to a better environment; to enforce ongoing help for drunken and drug-using parents/guardians; to enable the authorities to permanently close any licensed premises and ban the licensee from ever opening another business serving alcohol after three instances of selling alcohol to minors; and they should possibly bring back sensible pub opening hours. Wed 19 Jan 2011 15:59:57 GMT+1 Denisleeds http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=91#comment533 If people paid for things with money they had worked hard for it probably would have an effect, however, in today's society most things are paid for with somebody else's money, either the taxpayers money or via credit. In this case it doesn't really matter how much things cost. Wed 19 Jan 2011 15:36:36 GMT+1 Kadazan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=91#comment532 When will politicians realise that pricing as a tool to dissuade consumption DOES NOT WORK. Is there nobody in any of the political parties capable of lateral thinking? Cynically I guess the answer to that is no and lies instead in the fact that, like tobacco, they have their eyes on the tax take rather than the health and welfare of the consumer and so like smoking, boozing will carry on as normal. Wed 19 Jan 2011 15:06:49 GMT+1 GeoffWard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=90#comment531 "Was in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire last Saturday. Loads (and I mean loads) of corporate-refurbed pubs offering beer/lager from £1.35 a pint. The sort that have three or four sad-looking smokers hanging around just outside the doors with a promise of noisy sports tv and sticky carpets inside. Ugh." (Trina 485).....................................Ex-mining community, conservative to the core, solid Socialist, and 'without hope'. The community has an entrenched outlook stuck in the Scargill days - a bit like Teesside. The down-beat drink culture, the stooped-shoulder'd smokers and the sticky carpets says it all. Wed 19 Jan 2011 14:53:23 GMT+1 universal-friend http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=90#comment530 People with Drink Problem will Continue to drink irrespective of the minimum price. They will BEG, BORROW or even Steal to satisfy their Craving and ALCOHAL DEPENDENCE. Wed 19 Jan 2011 14:53:08 GMT+1 pandatank http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=90#comment529 The NHS is being carved up, the royal succession is up for review, we probably won't get the referendum on AV, yet we're still (3 years since it's first appearance) talking this same old same old story Wed 19 Jan 2011 14:52:26 GMT+1 phillip http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=90#comment528 Britis need booze like cars need petrol. Any price rise will increase the VAT take, the only point of this. Wed 19 Jan 2011 14:51:43 GMT+1 Nick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=90#comment527 513. At 12:54pm on 19 Jan 2011, Ben Skinner wrote:419. At 8:11pm on 18 Jan 2011, Endada wrote:All alcohol sales should be banned for 10 years until we learn to live without alcohol. All pubs should be closed until we learn to respect the dangers of alcohol.*************************************************************************10 years of prohibition era organised crime, unregulated bootleg booze and the loss of every job involved in the manufacture, sale and promotion of alcohol.oh, not to mention the loss of millions of pounds in lost tax revenue that would have been spend on the NHS and other public services.Genius! Wed 19 Jan 2011 14:47:44 GMT+1 Brainwashing the masses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=90#comment526 All been said by one and all !PLUSBritain is a socially dysfunctional place, without pride, restraint, identity, family values, anything !.More taxation or profits won't solve the problem..40 years ago Britain was a lovely place to live, yes it had problems, but those problems were allowed to grow and bottle fed successive governments. Wed 19 Jan 2011 14:40:58 GMT+1 alphaterraprophetess http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=89#comment525 Minimally increasing the price of alcohol per se will have little effect, for all the reasons given above - especially the impact of stress and the need to blot it out for a while.A major factor is alcohol's availability. Not only can it be bought in supermarkets and off-licences: newsagents commonly sell it too. Further, it's so prominently displayed that you're hard put to it, not to trip over stacks of the stuff! A strong downplaying of alcohol's importance, and an increase in perception of its unacceptability (or at least, the unacceptability of its consequences) would help. After all, enough fuss and more is made of the evils of heroin, cocaine and crack (and sundry other, designer, drugs). They're illegal, and forces of law and order fight a rearguard action against them. But alcohol is legal and socially acceptable, despite the fact that the trauma it causes is many times greater; and it's possibly a harder habit to kick. Altering this perception may solve the problem; token, derisory price increases are unlikely to - particularly among wealthy young (and indeed, middle-aged and old) people, some of whom hold positions of considerable power in this country! Wed 19 Jan 2011 14:33:09 GMT+1 Pragmale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=89#comment524 Make it illegal to be over the limit in a public place. With an automatic 1 yr 5% tax increase, or 5% reduction in benefit, being the punishment. Wed 19 Jan 2011 14:02:41 GMT+1 LancashireLass http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=89#comment523 This is a waste of time and money.But I suppose they think it sounds good.Who seems to do all the drinking now - yes those who aren't working and cant afford it. Not stopped them so far has it.Anyhow when you are diagnosed as an alcoholic, you can get incapacity benefit, and claim extra money for the damage you have done to yourself.Bonkers!!! Wed 19 Jan 2011 13:59:07 GMT+1 seasand123 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=89#comment522 Whatever the authorities my say or do, an indisputable fact is that additive substances such as alcohol and tobacco will remain with us as long as humans remain inhabiting this planet.We know it is bad for health but most of us are addicted to these substances to varying degrees. Look around, you'll notice that you have more acquaintances who drink than who are not. Seems it is an acceptable norm and a way of life to treat drinking as taking a walk in the park. All these talks about increasing the price so as to dissuade people indulging in binge drinking is not going to work. Experience has shown that most binge drinkers would devoutly remain so till they are incapacitated or leave this world for good. Hiking the price of alcohol drinks, beside reaping a good tax revenue, is not going to discourage the binge drinkers who would wont mind foregoing any other comforts of life for their fun. Wed 19 Jan 2011 13:55:06 GMT+1 CA28 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=89#comment521 I'm not sure if upping prices will curb binge drinking or fight serious alcoholism, but it's definitely a good thing. Alcohol is bad for everyone, full stop, and therefore should not be cheap. Income from the increase should go DIRECT to the NHS, however, and not to the government. If people choose to drink, they should accept the consequences, we as a country should not have problems with funding the NHS because loads of people are in need of liver treatment and friday night stomach pumps, so extra money from alcohol sales is a good way to fund treatment. A way for unhealthy people who have chosen a lazy and indulgent lifestyle to, through the tax system, pay for their choices.Similarly, I believe in a hefty tax on high fat, sugar and salt containing foods, including take-aways, cigarettes and legalisation of all drugs so that money can be generated for rehabilitation centres and medical treatment.As it stands, NHS funds are wasted far too much on individuals spending benifits (courtesy of tax payers) on illegal drugs, cheap booze, cigarettes and unhealthy take aways, all of which culminates in hospital treatment and NHS schemes to stop smoking. A complete drain on society which should be funded by the proceeds companies make by inticing weaker individuals to buy addictive products which should not be legal, and criminal dealers relying on drug users who have no legal and safe options. Wed 19 Jan 2011 13:54:55 GMT+1 Johnnybgood http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=89#comment520 The price of a pint at your local is ridiculously high, so I`m not surprised that many, many adults purchase their supply of alcohol at supermarkets, corner shops etc. They are cheaper by far, And, do not blame the shops for selling cheap alcohol, it is the fault of the government`s ever increasing tax on the pint and spirits which raises the price in the pubs, who are finding it increasingly hard to entice customers into their premises. The ban on smoking (beit good or bad) and the very high prices of a pint have seen may pubs close and many more will follow the same road.Don`t tar everyone with the "binge drinkers tag". There are many thousands out there who are very sensible drinkers. But, they purchase their alcohol at supermarkets because they can not afford to drink in their local - even though many would like to. Wed 19 Jan 2011 13:46:43 GMT+1 thewiz http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=88#comment519 I suspect the experience in Sweden does suggest that increasing the price of alcohol will reduce abuse. But there have to be meaningful increases . . . Wed 19 Jan 2011 13:38:27 GMT+1 intbel http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=88#comment518 "Should the government set the price of alcohol?"** The government should keep it's nose out of our business."Do these proposals go far enough or will the price rise simply penalise responsible drinkers?"**The government increases the price every year via taxes. The prices increase every year due to the currency being devalued. Increased prices on alcohol penalises everyone who purchases the stuff."Is excessive drinking a result of low prices?"** Unlikely. Probably more the result of stressful living and generally, folks don't get stressed due to low prices. Unless, of course they are the sellers or shareholders. Wed 19 Jan 2011 13:28:53 GMT+1 bankofenglandorthodox http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=88#comment517 I'd say that ,strictly speaking, the government already set the price of alcohol by including duty and taxes in the price-the only difference is that at the moment there's no law to stop you selling at less than cost to attract punters who later on are less able to correctly judge how much they're spending.Additionally, when you look at the price of of cigarettes ,it doesn't stop those who obviously can't afford them still spending their benefits on them instead of decent food for the kids.(Ouch!!) Wed 19 Jan 2011 13:20:29 GMT+1 JDavisabc http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=88#comment516 No it won't at all. It'll just mean someone will be making more profit. Surely that's tthe most important thing to a capitalist country. PROFIT Nevermind who suffers for it, as long as we are in a groth trend and not in recession. It's hard not to be completely synical about our current socio-political climate considering it has been in moral decline since decades if not longer. I don't know what it is about the British folk or any folk for that matter, who are willing to just sit and do nothing while the abuse washes over them. WE are the people! WE make this all posible.Perhaps WE are not entirely in control of ourselves or fear they have too much to lose.What is more worrying is the BBC's lack of reporting on the world-wide dissent gradually building, just like in Tunisia and other African states. Wed 19 Jan 2011 13:05:39 GMT+1 Stercus Vulgaris http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=88#comment515 Of couse it won't, its just a stealth tax, and we thought only labour brought those in!!!!!! Wed 19 Jan 2011 12:59:29 GMT+1 sickofbeingduped http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=88#comment514 422. At 8:13pm on 18 Jan 2011, Some other person with a comment wrote:Mmmm, Raising tax by stealth, under the guise of,improving public health,to increase private wealth,What a fantastic idea,it surely wont cause societal fear,as the alcohol abuser,becomes as dangerous as the heroin user,Causing danger to everyone,so they can have more fun,blotting out the reality,of life's pitiful triviality,Ask the government man,is this his government plan?,but he wont honestly talk,he just walks the political walk,For that is his job,his aim - to be a snob,and to ultimately rob and rule,over the weak minded fool.As always, thank me very much. And have a productive week!© Some other person with a comment, 2011 and forever more.All rights reserved, copying and duplication without my prior notice (the BBC HYS section has my prior notice) will be dealt with legally in a court of law (or outside the pub at 3am on a Saturday morning).------------------------Are you in a manic phase??? Wed 19 Jan 2011 12:56:53 GMT+1 CynicalCaro http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=87#comment513 Does the BBC send these comments to Cameron and crew?Even if they do - does anyone read them? Are they interested? Will it change anything? I say lets spend our energy in getting rid of this current government.Problem is..... is there another that can or will do a better/fairer job?Seems we luck out every way - I'm off for some Chav's sparkly!!! Wed 19 Jan 2011 12:54:52 GMT+1 sickofbeingduped http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=87#comment512 419. At 8:11pm on 18 Jan 2011, Endada wrote:No. Only a wholesale cultural revolution will stop this insane cultural dependency on alcohol. Every celebration in English culture depends on access to alcohol for the event to be deemed successful, or so people believe; win a match, have a drink: have baby, have a drink: get a promotion, have a drink: pass exams, have a drink: reach 18, have a drink: get married, have a drink: home from work, have drink: Had a drink?, have another. All alcohol sales should be banned for 10 years until we learn to live without alcohol. All pubs should be closed until we learn to respect the dangers of alcohol.--------------------------------------------------Absolutely spot-on, great post. Wed 19 Jan 2011 12:54:17 GMT+1 Stamp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=87#comment511 Hypocrites!GOOGLE "Gray, Goldie and Scott exposed over alcohol minimum pricing" Wed 19 Jan 2011 12:51:57 GMT+1 Carl Showalter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=87#comment510 212. At 12:35pm on 18 Jan 2011, grumpy old man wrote:173. At 11:42am on 18 Jan 2011, Gavin aLaugh wrote:88. At 10:36am on 18 Jan 2011, grumpy old man wrote:74. At 10:23am on 18 Jan 2011, John De Haura wrote gibberish---Sorry, I'm still none the wiser.---You never will be, it seems. Wed 19 Jan 2011 12:46:02 GMT+1 Carl Showalter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=87#comment509 @John De Haura re: post 74:This is by far the best thing I've ever read on the BBC website.sincerely, thanks. Wed 19 Jan 2011 12:44:10 GMT+1 corum-populo-2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=86#comment508 "Will banning cheap booze curb binge drinking"? is the HYS question.My little car is a very expensive binge drinker - when can I pour alcohol into it's tank instead of petrol? Wed 19 Jan 2011 12:34:50 GMT+1 anotherfakename http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=86#comment507 This post has been Removed Wed 19 Jan 2011 12:31:20 GMT+1 Masons Arms http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=86#comment506 This post has been Removed Wed 19 Jan 2011 12:30:26 GMT+1 Thom http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=86#comment505 #############################################@ 409. At 7:51pm on 18 Jan 2011, jim wrote:Most people do not understand the point of this exercise, it is not in itself intended to make drink dearer,but,it is intended to make shops,especially supermarkets behave sensibly. I drink moderately,but am sickened when supermarkets offer 'buy 2 get 1 free' on a case of 24 cans. Is this not an inducement to binge drink? Why is lager cheaper than water? I cannot buy more than 24 paracetemol but I can buy as much booze as I like. I do not object to that but why is there so much space allocated to booze. Am I in a grocers or a brewery?#############################################Lager is not cheaper than water; this is a nonsense as 5 minutes with a pen and paper in a major supermarket will tell you.Supermarkets are not "inducing you" to buy anything; they respond to customer demand which tends to be for cheaper alcohol, likely a byproduct of the huge taxes on such products.Want to stop binge drinking? Make GOOD alcohol cheaper for everyone and penalise revellers directly for their actions, not everyone for their good time; reason so many "load up" at home before a night out and our residential streets and estates are no go areas most nights is as much to do with the smoking ban and the dying profession of being an independent pub landlord (brought about because of the huge regulatory framework acting as a barrier for anyone other than the breweries themselves) as it is the welfare states decades of dependency and entitlement culture breeding such loutish behaviour. Wed 19 Jan 2011 12:20:45 GMT+1 ziggyboy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=86#comment504 I am beginning to thing the ConDems are playing a game called What Policy Now.Easy enough - just shove a load of ramdom ideas in a hat pass it round the Cabinet table and whoever pulls out the daftest idea will annonce it as a new policy/initiative the next day.Simples. Wed 19 Jan 2011 12:06:18 GMT+1 The Freckle Faced Ginger Englishman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=86#comment503 Same old story, hit the responsible people.Why don't they hit the idiots that cause the trouble.And I do mean punish them, with big fines and 2 or 3 days locked up on bread and water.If they have jobs they might run the risk of losing them, and it might make them think twice instead of me and many like me having to pay more for a drink.I love a drink and don't cause anyone any trouble when I do.Why should decent people pay for these louts. Wed 19 Jan 2011 12:00:08 GMT+1 MrWonderfulReality http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=85#comment502 Will banning cheap booze curb binge drinking? I am sure that banking investment gamblers fraternity in receipt of huge bonuses, will be most upset that the low paid pay more for a beer made in part with potatoes, while sipping a vintage Beaujolais!!! Wed 19 Jan 2011 11:56:29 GMT+1 Christopher http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=85#comment501 Seems to be more of a method to increase revenue. Wont save us money as Government is planning to privatise the NHS... Wed 19 Jan 2011 11:52:34 GMT+1 LardiusMaximus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=85#comment500 Two points I would make.Firstly when I voted I voted for an end to the socialist nanny state.Secondly no it will not curb drinking it will simply mean that the families of alcoholics and heavy drinkers will have less money after the booze is paid for. Petrol and Cocaine are pretty dear, does it stop people buying them? Wed 19 Jan 2011 11:43:03 GMT+1 pjaj http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=85#comment499 It's like trying to do brain surgery with a feather duster - the wrong tool for the job. Increasing the price of drink may curb binge drinking (but I doubt it) whist punishing the innocent, the moderate and responsible drinkers.I object to paying more for my occasional 1 or 2 unit drink just because some inconsiderate yobs out there can't control themselves.We need a serious unbiased study to find out the causes of (using the most sweeping generalisations) the differences in drinking culture between Northern and Southern Europe. Once these have been determined, we can then draw up possible measures to address the root causes - don't hold your breath, we've had this problem since the days of James Gillray 200 years ago.Taxation has not solved it, legislation has not solved it, even name and shame doesn't work, education is the only way and some people want to remain stupid. Wed 19 Jan 2011 11:37:27 GMT+1 Muddy Waters the 2nd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=85#comment498 I heard some anti-drink campaigner (a doctor of some sort) saying we'll all benefit from a minimum price for alcohol. It beggars belief that these do-gooders give themselves the right to speak for everyone else. The vast majority of people in Britain drink alcohol, putting the price up to either feather the nests of the government or the brewers does not benefit anyone but them. Price has nothing to do with anti-social behaviour, it's the up bringing that does not cater for respect or discipline. When someone does wrong as a result of drunken behaviour, slapping them on the wrist and maybe fining then £70 does not stop them doing it again. A minimum fine of £500 which doubles each time there's a subsequent breach of the peace, plus payment of any police time and hospital bills will stop anti-social behaviour over night. Wed 19 Jan 2011 11:36:41 GMT+1 ziggyboy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=85#comment497 Will banning cheap booze reduce the latest unemloyment figures or cut the cost of living? Wed 19 Jan 2011 11:29:03 GMT+1 perkinwellbeck http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=84#comment496 where's my postings.is it condems only today??? Wed 19 Jan 2011 11:06:44 GMT+1 Thom http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=84#comment495 Will this stop binge-drinking?Most probably not; will probably see the rise of the "man with van" or worse: bootleggers in this proto-prohibition age.Truth is, how dare the government seek to speak for my health having done so much to damage it itself; 25% of my pay will disappear before it reaches my wallet in income tax and NICs with a further 25-30% disappearing from other forms of tax such as VAT, car tax, insurance premium taxes and the myriad hidden costs of reams and reams of regulation on every aspect of my life.How dare they seek to hector the many for the mistakes of a hardcore few who are in all likelihood the progeny of the states spoiled generation; one that has suckled at the teat of big government and grown a sense of entitlement to other peoples money that is not. duly. theres. Wed 19 Jan 2011 10:53:12 GMT+1 David Sizer http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=84#comment494 The price of alcohol will not make any difference,if people want it they will find the money somewhere.The logical answer to the problem is simple,but not spoken about,raise the legal drinking age to 21,and ensure that the law is strictly enforced.This in turn will force a large number of antisocial pubs and clubs to close down. Wed 19 Jan 2011 10:50:21 GMT+1 Thom http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=84#comment493 @406I HONISTLY THINK We should all stand up and say NO I’m sick of paying tax no matter what council I stay in I’m sick of thisI didn’t create the ....SO CALLED CREDIT CRUNCH I really think we should stand up and say no you’re not getting any more tax If I’m paying loads on my tax everyone is in my office and everyone is that working Where is this going exactly? no no noim sick of paying tax SAY NO MORE TO TAX NOW JOIN ME And say this ############################################I second this; barring the poor grammar and spelling. Wed 19 Jan 2011 10:46:45 GMT+1 perkinwellbeck http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=84#comment492 once they have sorted binge drinking out with there erudite policy making may be the "man with the pie in is hand"pickles can lectures all on the adverse effect of the british porkpie.no tracy of hypocracy there then??????? Wed 19 Jan 2011 10:41:02 GMT+1 Peter Eccles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=84#comment491 As was the case with the Blair and Brown government the Coalition seem incapable of differentiating between responsible drinkers who go out for a few drinks, go home and don't cause any problems for anyone else and the jug heads who's sole aim in life is to drink as much as possible in as short a time as possible. The result of this is that they then finish up doing any number of the following: throwing up in the bar or street, falling over in the bar or street, fighting in the bar or street, assaulting other people in the bar or street, causing damage in the bar or street, assaulting the police, damaging property. And the politicians solution? Increase the price so that everyone suffers. Brilliant; what unbelievable brain power our politicians must have to come up with such a well thought out and revolutionary solution. And what happens to the jug heads? A night in the cells, an £80 fine and they are back on the streets in fine form for the next outing. We are and have been since 1997 governed by idiots. Wed 19 Jan 2011 10:32:52 GMT+1 Angryfinlandfff http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=83#comment490 Will increased prices bring an end to binge drinking? NO!Finland has some of the highest alcohol prices in Europe and this is most certainly a land of binge drinkers!The Finnish government has tried everything over the years to try and cut down on alcohol consumption, everything from cheap alcohol to what should be prohibitively expensive alcohol to prohibition! Non of it works, people drink, end of story! Well, not quite end of story, when alcohol tax was lower or sales of alcohol illegal then government income dropped tremendously.... Wed 19 Jan 2011 10:20:28 GMT+1 LippyLippo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=83#comment489 It's not even scratching the surface of a solution. It's just another means of getting a few extra quid in tax, which is all the Govt. ever seems to want. If they were really serious about addressing binge drinking and drunken youngsters, they could raise the drinking age to 25, ban the sale of alcohol in supermarkets, sell it only in pubs and a very few licensed premises, and ban youth-orientated advertising for alcohol. I can still get reeling drunk for about £3 on apple-flavoured mehts (aka cheap cider) if I so desire, so alcohol is still way too cheap and freely available compared to Scandinavian countries (where drink would be a really terrible problem if it weren't so expensive). Just like NuLabour, it seems that the ConDems won't tackle any problem properly. All they'll ever do is try a get a bit extra money off you in tax. Wed 19 Jan 2011 10:16:37 GMT+1 Pragmale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=83#comment488 We need to treat the booze culture the same as smoking. Lung cancer incidence rates peaked in the late 1970s and since then have decreased by more than 45%. This reflects the decline in smoking rates after World War II. (Facts from Cancer Research) But will politicians put common sense and public health before revenue. We are well aware of our politicians greed and self interest. Wed 19 Jan 2011 10:11:45 GMT+1 PFC_Kent http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=83#comment487 Alan Hammond wrote:This is ANOTHER daft idea by this GovernmentThis has come about by the Government when they agreed to have 24/7 drinking hours SO it is AGAIN THEIR fault and they are the ONE'S bleeting as usual.They were warned this could happen BUT as usual they took NO notice--------------Seriously, why are people posting complete fiction like this? Try to at least have an idea what you are writing before you do.The Labour government brought in 24 hour drinking.The current coalition government are raising alcohol duty.They are two different goverments. Wed 19 Jan 2011 10:05:11 GMT+1 PFC_Kent http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=83#comment486 Icebloo wrote:The Tories spent most of the 80's and 90's battling against the EU trying to stop British people buying the cigarettes and alcohol in France because it was a lot cheaper and it meant the UK was losing "billons" in taxes. Now they claim we are in dire straits financially yet they increase the price of alcohol which is going to force people to start buying from abroad again (further reducing tax revenues). This is the most stupid government we have ever had. They actually think we believe all their lies about having to cut services and lose jobs because we need to save money when, in fact, all they are doing is telling us lies so they can attack the public services they never supported. Come on FIBerals - wake up and DO SOMETHING !I look forward to a day when we have a government who has the courage to tell us the truth.----------------------------------------------Are you serious? You complain that the tories tried to prevent booze cruises and then contrast this with them putting up the price of alcohol. Is there a comparison or argument in there hiding somewhere? What is it? What makes one mutually exclusive to the other? But after that I read your Millibandesque delusion about there being no financial crisis and realised you're a wasted cause. Wed 19 Jan 2011 09:57:22 GMT+1 larrytaylor http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=83#comment485 I will have some respect for MPs when the bars and restaurants in Parliament cease to be subsidised by us (the taxpayers) and alcohol is sold at a commercial rate as suffered by the people who elected them. Wed 19 Jan 2011 09:51:54 GMT+1 Trina http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2011/01/will_banning_cheap_booze_curb.html?page=82#comment484 Was in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire last Saturday. Loads (and I mean loads) of corporate-refurbed pubs offering beer/lager from £1.35 a pint. The sort that have three or four sad-looking smokers hanging around just outside the doors with a promise of noisy sports tv and sticky carpets inside. Ugh.In the same town centre not a single coffee shop. Didn't see a cafe option either. It would seem that Mansfield's coffee and sandwich brigade just aren't cater for. However, in Nottingham don't expect much change from £3 a cup of coffee but at least there are many to choose from and there is a bit of life in these places.The canny folk of Mansfield whet their thirst economically, that much is clear but it has absolutely killed the town for ordinary non-drinking visitors. Shame, it used to be worth a look-in for its outdoor market. Wed 19 Jan 2011 09:51:11 GMT+1