Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html en-gb 30 Mon 06 Jul 2015 07:14:22 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html Bill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=99#comment803 Jack Hargreaves wrote:Simple the vast majority of people did not vote for a Tory government. They voted for a socialist government. That is the ticket Labour stood on and so did the Lib Dems. ----------------------------------------------------------------Cobblers!The Lib Dems "stood on ticket" according to which constituency they stood in. Try telling the voters of Winchester or Sutton and Cheam that their Lib Dem MP is a socialist. You are in cuckoo land!Labour lost because they got more than 2.1 million less votes than the Tories!! Mon 27 Dec 2010 11:04:34 GMT+1 John_Bull http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=99#comment802 800. At 10:25am on 27 Dec 2010, Jack Hargreaves wrote:797. At 10:10am on 27 Dec 2010, forclarification wrote:794. At 09:42am on 27 Dec 2010, Jack Hargreaves wrote:"they joined with the Torys which means the election result was something normally only seen in far right junta's.""This means that we have an illegal government and the people deserve an election to be called"==============================================================Illegal government, Jack? Pray do explain. You know, with facts and evidence etc.................. ==============================================================>"Simple the vast majority of people did not vote for a Tory government. They voted for a socialist government. That is the ticket Labour stood on and so did the Lib Dems."Then they should all have voted Labour then shouldn't they? Why didn't they?;-)>"After the election the Lib Dems betrayed the people who voted for them and jumped into bed with the Torys. This gave the Torys the numbers they needed to carry though their fascist policies which exploit the poor and deprived but that is not what people voted for."After the election the Liberal's formed the only government possible; a coalition with the Tories, who got the most votes. Are you one of these Labour voters who think we should have carried on re-running the election until Labour won? And if you think that the current renewal of the Tories is fascist, then you are poorly informed;-)>"There has been a right wing coup and the Torys have seized control of the government. The election is therefore null and void and a new one should be called now in order that people can get the government that they actually voted for."Absolute nonsense! If the Labour and the Liberals want to campaign as one party then they should merge. Until then, Lib-Lab alliance will not feature as an option on your voting Card.;-) Mon 27 Dec 2010 10:48:38 GMT+1 bill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=99#comment801 @800 Jack Hargreaves"the vast majority of people did not vote for a Tory government. They voted for a socialist government."The Conservatives had the highest number of votes, both in seats and share.No socialist parties of any consequence stood for election.Which country are you referring to? It's not the UK. Mon 27 Dec 2010 10:42:28 GMT+1 forclarification http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=99#comment800 800. At 10:25am on 27 Dec 2010, Jack Hargreaves wrote:797. At 10:10am on 27 Dec 2010, forclarification wrote:794. At 09:42am on 27 Dec 2010, Jack Hargreaves wrote:"they joined with the Torys which means the election result was something normally only seen in far right junta's.""This means that we have an illegal government and the people deserve an election to be called"==============================================================Illegal government, Jack? Pray do explain. You know, with facts and evidence etc.................. ==============================================================Simple the vast majority of people did not vote for a Tory government. They voted for a socialist government. That is the ticket Labour stood on and so did the Lib Dems. After the election the Lib Dems betrayed the people who voted for them and jumped into bed with the Torys. This gave the Torys the numbers they needed to carry though their fascist policies which exploit the poor and deprived but that is not what people voted for.There has been a right wing coup and the Torys have seized control of the government. The election is therefore null and void and a new one should be called now in order that people can get the government that they actually voted for.===============================================Jack, setting aside that none of the above is factual evidence of law breaking (you called it an illegal government):"the vast majority of the people did not vote for a Tory government" - in an election you vote FOR something not AGAINST something. You can't just add up all the votes the Tories didn't get and call that a Socialist majority. But the Tories got 10.7 million votes but not a working majority. In 2005 Labour retained a large majority with 9.5 million votes - was that an illegal government also?"Fascist policies", "right wing coup" - this is a soft Tory government Mon 27 Dec 2010 10:40:36 GMT+1 Jack Hargreaves http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=99#comment799 797. At 10:10am on 27 Dec 2010, forclarification wrote:794. At 09:42am on 27 Dec 2010, Jack Hargreaves wrote:"they joined with the Torys which means the election result was something normally only seen in far right junta's.""This means that we have an illegal government and the people deserve an election to be called"==============================================================Illegal government, Jack? Pray do explain. You know, with facts and evidence etc.................. ==============================================================Simple the vast majority of people did not vote for a Tory government. They voted for a socialist government. That is the ticket Labour stood on and so did the Lib Dems. After the election the Lib Dems betrayed the people who voted for them and jumped into bed with the Torys. This gave the Torys the numbers they needed to carry though their fascist policies which exploit the poor and deprived but that is not what people voted for.There has been a right wing coup and the Torys have seized control of the government. The election is therefore null and void and a new one should be called now in order that people can get the government that they actually voted for. Mon 27 Dec 2010 10:25:53 GMT+1 perkinwellbeck http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=99#comment798 if you are reading this it means i'm still signed in,so where are my postings?? Mon 27 Dec 2010 10:21:28 GMT+1 bill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=99#comment797 Blue Labour is working very well for the establishment, the city, the bankers and the huge public sector.Stuff the rest of us who are paying for it all. Mon 27 Dec 2010 10:18:54 GMT+1 forclarification http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=99#comment796 794. At 09:42am on 27 Dec 2010, Jack Hargreaves wrote:"they joined with the Torys which means the election result was something normally only seen in far right junta's.""This means that we have an illegal government and the people deserve an election to be called"==============================================================Illegal government, Jack? Pray do explain. You know, with facts and evidence etc.................. Mon 27 Dec 2010 10:10:40 GMT+1 forclarification http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=98#comment795 792. At 07:41am on 27 Dec 2010, Daisy Chained wrote:#791 zipit starts the pantomime season off with a dud.What have the Coalition actually done?Inflation up by three percentage points, unemployment up by a million, job losses of up to one million expected before March 2011, the pound falling against the euro and even against a weak dollar. And VAT on the up, fuel on the up, UK on the down; a typical Tory New Year in prospect you could say.======================================================Inflation up by three percentage points? Dec 09 inflation 2.8%, Nov 10 3.2%. Yes a rise but not quite 3% is it?Unemployment up by a million? Actual figures show around 2.5 million in the UK i.e. the same as when the Coalition came into powerPound falling against the euro? - yes, but average monthly exchange rate in May was 0.874 and in Dec 0.846 (a bit down on October's 0.876)but hardly a collapseVAT up? - yes, but part of the recovery package needed to address the appalling state of the economy inherited from the greatest Chancellor ever.............Fuel on the up? From the ONS: The largest downward pressure to the change in CPI inflation came from:fuels and lubricants where prices, overall, rose by 1.6 per cent between October and November this year compared with 2.8 per cent a year ago, principally reflecting a rise of 1.8 pence per litre in petrol prices this year compared with a rise of 2.9 pence per litre a year ago Mon 27 Dec 2010 10:07:44 GMT+1 forclarification http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=98#comment794 788. At 00:24am on 27 Dec 2010, Jack Hargreaves wrote:786. At 11:52pm on 26 Dec 2010, Lucy Clake wrote:Well done Jack this post got the Tory supporters who have completely swallowed the party line that Labour ruined the country going. The coalition is only hanging on because both the Cons and LD's are terrified of an election. They'll cling on and all except the very rich will suffer. It's taken a few short months for voters to have doubts, it must be almost the quickest turn around on record, usually it takes a few years. Most of the Tory posts here realise this and your comments upset them. You pointed out that Labour ran the country better, you are right but you will annoy the brainwashed tabloid readers. Labour made mistakes, all governments do but just wait until we've had a few more years of this lot, we'll then realise that the rest of the world were right when they praised Brown for his foresight and correct reaction to a world financial problem. We were doing comparitively well and were recvering without massive unemployment, quite an achievement, but it will soon change and we'll be on the downward slide----------------------------------------------Exactly Lucy. The Tory's have not got a clue. They read everything in the daily mail and think it is real. Gordon Brown was a marvelous chancellor and he saved the country with his foresight and his expert handling of the economy. We were recovering nicely and then along came the Torys and wrecked everything.==========================================================Jack and Lucy - you'd make a lovely couple. Why don't you get married and honeymoon on Fantasy Island. No need to book any flights - you're already there! Mon 27 Dec 2010 09:53:13 GMT+1 Jack Hargreaves http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=98#comment793 789. At 01:03am on 27 Dec 2010, Nevergetold wrote:This may be true but we will never know because Brown was too clever by half, so clever he though he did not need to listen to people. His arrogance made the change inevitable.It is however an incredible inditement of Cameron that a Government that the press almost universally claimed needed changing, led by a leader they almost universally ridiculed still managed to prevent his party from getting an overall majority. He must have thought Xmas had come early when he found how cheaply he could buy the integrity of the Lib Dems. ///////////////////////////////////Thats right the Lib dems betrayed everybody. If they had joined with Labour that would have been fair enough because they stood on a socialist no cuts ticket but they didn't they joined with the Torys which means the election result was something normally only seen in far right junta's. This means that we have an illegal government and the people deserve an election to be called now before the Torys do any more damage to the country.The Lib Dems have shown themseves to have no integrity having been willing to jump into bed with the Torys. They are now dead as a party and when the people get the election they deserve Ed Miliband will lead Labour to it rightful place which is running the country and we can begin to reverse the dangerous cuts that are taking place and start pumping some money into the econonomy which is what keynes said should be done in recession. Mon 27 Dec 2010 09:42:41 GMT+1 elfrieda http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=98#comment792 We are broke .. so whoever is in government will have to be unpopular and make decisions that will bite , that is because we are Broke i.e no money in the till , I just wish our press would find some good things to put in their rags instead of a steady stream of (wait for it ) investagivative ? ) journalismn , in other words trick people into saying things then only printing a part of what is said . They did a good job with the outing of mps expenses , we now know what our mps (well some or most ) get up to with our money , maybe its time to let them get on and get us out of the mess left by the last lot , Who by the way are now claiming they are the best thing since sliced bread ? Mon 27 Dec 2010 09:27:08 GMT+1 Daisy Chained http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=98#comment791 #791 zipit starts the pantomime season off with a dud.What have the Coalition actually done?Inflation up by three percentage points, unemployment up by a million, job losses of up to one million expected before March 2011, the pound falling against the euro and even against a weak dollar. And VAT on the up, fuel on the up, UK on the down; a typical Tory New Year in prospect you could say.Yes, zipit, we know who the pantomime villains are and Gordon Brown is not even on the professional casting sheet, so you'll have to make do with those seasoned amateurs Cameron, Clegg, and Cable, aka the ugly Cisters. New Labour may have been worse but somehow I doubt you could get any worse than these posers. Nothing like watching a shambles when you are drunk on the euphoria of almost winning an election is there? And for a punchline because no one else would give them a five year contract the Cisters have decided to invent one for themselves. Definitely out of an Xmas cracker, or quacker to you.Happy whatever.... Mon 27 Dec 2010 07:41:20 GMT+1 zipit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=98#comment790 > 788. At 00:24am on 27 Dec 2010, Jack Hargreaves wrote:>>The Tory's have not got a clue. They read everything in the daily mail >and think it is real. Gordon Brown was a marvelous chancellor and he >saved the country with his foresight and his expert handling of the >economy. We were recovering nicely and then along came the Torys and >wrecked everything.I disagree. I think that Gordon Brown is a decent, highly intelligent chap. However, I believe that he was by far the worst, most damaging politician this country has ever seen and will ever see. As Chancellor, he sold the gold low, and just spent, spent, spent until there was no more left, and he then continued to commit to further wasteful expense. As PM, he was a dictator with no idea how to communicate or how to represent the UK on the world stage. For all of Blair's faults, at least he represented us well across the world.The Tories haven't wrecked everything: it's a coalition government and, however much Labour supporters hate to swallow the bitter pill of loss, it's for the best of the country because it's Labour's mess that's being cleared up and Alistair Darling stated that his cuts would have been broadly the same as the coalition's.The coalition is doing well and will last for the full term. Now it's up to Labour to settle down to being an effective opposition, stimulating proper debate including their own ideas rather than opposing for opposition's sake. So, my suggestion for an alternative debate: Is The Opposition party working? No, clearly not. This country needs an effective opposition nearly as much as it needs an effective Government. Mon 27 Dec 2010 02:26:04 GMT+1 Steve Linton http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=98#comment789 It's a coalition, not a unification. Of course the party members have different views, and of course the lib dems (or the conservatives) would walk if they felt they that it was in their interests to do so. The senior lib dems need to learn the hard lessons of polical offive -- there is no such thing as a private conversation (or diplomatic cable) you have to assume that everything you say is going to be in the papers and stick to the party line all the time, but there is no big deal here.The Murdoch thing was a gaff (although I loathe and detest Murdoch and all he stands for). Mon 27 Dec 2010 01:41:00 GMT+1 Nevergetold http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=98#comment788 788. At 00:24am on 27 Dec 2010, Jack Hargreaves wrote: The Tory's have not got a clue. They read everything in the daily mail and think it is real. Gordon Brown was a marvelous chancellor and he saved the country with his foresight and his expert handling of the economy. We were recovering nicely and then along came the Torys and wrecked everything.///////////////////////////////////////This may be true but we will never know because Brown was too clever by half, so clever he though he did not need to listen to people. His arrogance made the change inevitable. It is however an incredible inditement of Cameron that a Government that the press almost universally claimed needed changing, led by a leader they almost universally ridiculed still managed to prevent his party from getting an overall majority. He must have thought Xmas had come early when he found how cheaply he could buy the integrity of the Lib Dems. Mon 27 Dec 2010 01:03:20 GMT+1 Jack Hargreaves http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=97#comment787 786. At 11:52pm on 26 Dec 2010, Lucy Clake wrote:Well done Jack this post got the Tory supporters who have completely swallowed the party line that Labour ruined the country going. The coalition is only hanging on because both the Cons and LD's are terrified of an election. They'll cling on and all except the very rich will suffer. It's taken a few short months for voters to have doubts, it must be almost the quickest turn around on record, usually it takes a few years. Most of the Tory posts here realise this and your comments upset them. You pointed out that Labour ran the country better, you are right but you will annoy the brainwashed tabloid readers. Labour made mistakes, all governments do but just wait until we've had a few more years of this lot, we'll then realise that the rest of the world were right when they praised Brown for his foresight and correct reaction to a world financial problem. We were doing comparitively well and were recvering without massive unemployment, quite an achievement, but it will soon change and we'll be on the downward slide----------------------------------------------Exactly Lucy. The Tory's have not got a clue. They read everything in the daily mail and think it is real. Gordon Brown was a marvelous chancellor and he saved the country with his foresight and his expert handling of the economy. We were recovering nicely and then along came the Torys and wrecked everything. Mon 27 Dec 2010 00:24:36 GMT+1 Nevergetold http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=97#comment786 779. At 10:50pm on 26 Dec 2010, GeoffWard wrote:".... The Coalition should go, and Labour should run the country - because they know how to run it properly." (Jack Hargreaves 770)...........................Jack,in spite of my great affection for your name's-sake and Out Of Town (memories, memories), your assertion that 'Labour is the party that knows how to run the country' is jaw-dropping! Perhaps you have been away from the UK for the last 15 years, and through 1964-70, 74-79. These were the years of inflation, hyper-inflation and national bankrupcy. These were the years to be 'P.C.', when education became a 'social experiment' using our children, when multiculturalism became another social experiment, and the years that we chose wars based on lies.Geoff.///////////////////////////////////////////The idea that Labour does not run the economy effectively is a misnomer as is the notion that the Tories do not. The economy is but a complex collection of causes and effects that governments and supranational bodies and large corporate organisations manipulate as best they can in order to deliver the macro effects they hope to achieve. Labour knew what it was doing in managing the economy (it wanted a large public sector including education and healthcare for all). The multinational banks manipulated this system for their short term gain and regardless of the consequences and left governments to pick up the mess. The Tories know what they are doing also, they are continuing to address the mess the banks created (as Labour would have done) but are also changing the economy to one where the poor are incentivised to better serve the rich and have less access to health, education and the like. Geoff may be right that life has always been bad for him under Labour (inflation he quotes) but others remember Tory failures (like 15% mortgages and high unemployment). While it suits the fanatics on either side to believe that Labour or Tory cannot manage the economy, the reality is that in Government they access the expertise they need to pull the levers that have the effects they want. In reality none of them are in power long enough to make a complete mess of things, but each takes the economy towards a position that suits their sectional interests. Mon 27 Dec 2010 00:06:10 GMT+1 Lucy Clake http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=97#comment785 770. At 9:29pm on 26 Dec 2010, Jack Hargreaves wrote:No the coalition is not working. ----------And then the coalition is cutting back on public sector jobs. When these people lose their jobs they will not be paying tax at all so that means the country will be poorer because it will have even less taxes.All these policies are madness. The Coalition should go and Labour should run the country because they know how to run it properly.------------------------Well done Jack this post got the Tory supporters who have completely swallowed the party line that Labour ruined the country going. The coalition is only hanging on because both the Cons and LD's are terrified of an election. They'll cling on and all except the very rich will suffer. It's taken a few short months for voters to have doubts, it must be almost the quickest turn around on record, usually it takes a few years. Most of the Tory posts here realise this and your comments upset them. You pointed out that Labour ran the country better, you are right but you will annoy the brainwashed tabloid readers. Labour made mistakes, all governments do but just wait until we've had a few more years of this lot, we'll then realise that the rest of the world were right when they praised Brown for his foresight and correct reaction to a world financial problem. We were doing comparitively well and were recvering without massive unemployment, quite an achievement, but it will soon change and we'll be on the downward slide Sun 26 Dec 2010 23:52:55 GMT+1 Bill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=97#comment784 Jack Hargreaves wrote:Labour were not voted out at all. The Torys were only able to put a government together with the Lib Dems help but the Lib Dems stood on an anti cuts socialist ticket so they conned the voters under false pretences which means the election is null and void and we should have another election.------------------------------------------------------------------------Why don't you get real!Labour got more than 2,100,000 votes less than the Tories in the 2010 General Election. If that's not being voted out, then please tell me what is?? Sun 26 Dec 2010 23:28:43 GMT+1 Fracking Tories http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=97#comment783 @730. At 9:57pm on 25 Dec 2010, PAUL WILLIAMS wrote:Well, after the discovery of a dead body today, i want a referendum on capital punishment, and i want it now. If the coalition could just sort that small matter out for us, then it's working ! If they can't sort the economy out ,they could win a lot of support with this. -----------------------------Hang in there, you never know the Tories may make this a burning issue to take forward at the next election, unless the LibDems give it the chop of course.Great idea to muster up some support, but have the LibDems got the nous to carry it through or will they leave the Tories hanging by a thread on this policy.Chances are that the proposition would be guillotined at the critical vote. Sun 26 Dec 2010 23:14:30 GMT+1 Bill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=97#comment782 LondonHarris wrote:The REAL fight therefore, is to rid the UK of People like David Cameron, Nick Clegg and George Osbourne from having anything whatsoever to do with ANY say and running of the UK, otherwise things will only go from bad to being far worse in the not to distant future. ----------------------------------------------------------------------So what's your answer? What's the alternative- surely not Milliband?Labour have done what they always do. Left a mess. Sun 26 Dec 2010 23:03:58 GMT+1 Mike http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=97#comment781 Lots of us are still waiting in anticipation to hear when David Cameron is going to replace the Human Rights Act with a Bill of Rights, or is he quietly hoping that we will all forget that promise. Well we won't forget. Sun 26 Dec 2010 23:00:26 GMT+1 lukethetaff http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=97#comment780 No of course it isn't working. Makes me laugh the amount of fools who think the coalition will sort out Labour's mess when they are making an even bigger mess. They have no intention of sorting out the Labour mess. The tories have one agenda and that is to kick ordinary people where it hurts, and allowing the greedy rich to continue tax evasion and avoidance allowing them to avoid the cuts, and has nothing to do with cutting the defecit. They would have made cuts even without a defecit. But I'm at least one person who hasn't swallowed all the coalition crap. Sun 26 Dec 2010 22:56:39 GMT+1 THE ROARING FORTIES http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=96#comment779 It doesn't matter if it's working or not, its the government and it will be in power until the next election, they are all as bad as each other. this government is typically conservative, taking from the poor and not the rich Sun 26 Dec 2010 22:55:43 GMT+1 GeoffWard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=96#comment778 ".... The Coalition should go, and Labour should run the country - because they know how to run it properly." (Jack Hargreaves 770)...........................Jack,in spite of my great affection for your name's-sake and Out Of Town (memories, memories), your assertion that 'Labour is the party that knows how to run the country' is jaw-dropping! Perhaps you have been away from the UK for the last 15 years, and through 1964-70, 74-79. These were the years of inflation, hyper-inflation and national bankrupcy. These were the years to be 'P.C.', when education became a 'social experiment' using our children, when multiculturalism became another social experiment, and the years that we chose wars based on lies.Please change your name to something more in keeping with a Labour-apologist, because you are the antithesis of all that the great Jack Hargreaves stood for.Geoff. Sun 26 Dec 2010 22:50:44 GMT+1 Bill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=96#comment777 Nevergetold wrote:As has been observed in another posting, rational argument is difficult when there are so many who use immigration as a euphemism for racial comments. Objective evidence is that foreigners have come to the UK to live, work and settle for many years and did so long before the conception of Nu Labour.------------------------------------------------------------------------I speak as someone who sees daily the effects of mass immigration on the everyday lives of many in the inner cities. For far too long we have put up with the likes of those who accuse anyone who dares to complain as 'racist'. It would be interesting to know where these accusers live? How are they, and their families, affected by mass immigration? Sun 26 Dec 2010 22:42:57 GMT+1 Tamiflu http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=96#comment776 The coalition is working just as perfectly as any other government has done in the past.They are continuing to blame others, rather than 'get on with the job they were elected(?)to do.They continue to purposely not answer direct questions, which, in my opinion, means that they are liars and very deceitful - no change there.The Lib Dems have proved that they have no moral fibre whatsoever and are the puppets of the Tory minority.For example, the Labour turncoat, Vince Cable, all high and mighty before the election with his preponderance of rhetoric, has shown his colours eminently.Nick Clegg (difficult to type that out without laughing) has proved his total ineptitude from day one.As for the Conservatives? Well, you get what you vote for with them, as the Lib Dems are finding out, let alone the poor people of this country, oh, silly me, the minorities of this country. After all, they have far more rights and sway in my 'so called' country.And before people jump down my throat about parties, the Labour party, past, present and future are the same as all the rest. Different name, different methods.Democracy, gotta love it, especially when you are only allowed it every so often. Sun 26 Dec 2010 22:42:04 GMT+1 Jack Hargreaves http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=96#comment775 773. At 10:00pm on 26 Dec 2010, Mr Max wrote:1) you must be kidding, surely? Thanks to Wikileaks, we know that most other Western countries even questioned the running of the economy and 2) does democracy mean nothing? They were voted out. We didn't want them as a party. Get over it. Labour failed!------------------------------------------------Thats not true at all. When did wikileaks say that? You made that up. What other Western countries questioned the running of our economy? Labour were not voted out at all. The Torys were only able to put a government together with the Lib Dems help but the Lib Dems stood on an anti cuts socialist ticket so they conned the voters under false pretences which means the election is null and void and we should have another election. Sun 26 Dec 2010 22:40:39 GMT+1 Bill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=96#comment774 Jack Hargreaves wrote:All these policies are madness. The Coalition should go and Labour should run the country because they know how to run it properly.-----------------------------------------------------------------------What a joker- "Labour knows how to run the country".Labour only knows how to leave a mess for incoming governments to sort out! Those with long memories will know that it's happened before.The only reason there was "plenty of money about" under Labour was because they were either borrowing or printing £billions under the guise of 'quantatitive easing'Thank heavens we're safe from them- at least until 2015. Sun 26 Dec 2010 22:28:42 GMT+1 Georgeman51 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=96#comment773 The only party that will fix this and leave the EU (UKIP are Idiots) are the BNP, they are no longer 'racist' officially because of the court case. Sun 26 Dec 2010 22:22:47 GMT+1 Mr Max http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=96#comment772 "770. At 9:29pm on 26 Dec 2010, Jack Hargreaves wrote:No the coalition is not working. When Labour were in power there was plenty of money about and everything was running well. Now that Labour are no longer in power the economy is doing really badly and poor people are suffering."-----------Sorry, but with the greatest respect this is the biggest piece of political delusion I've seen in a long time. There was not "plenty of money", Labour just acted as if there was. If you look up the numbers (I'm not holding my breath, lest it questions your ideology) then you'll see that the national debt increasing from 2001, which comes from overspending. Before then, it was decreasing due to the spending policies left over from the previous Conservative Government, which Labour kept in place until 2001. Also, the economy is growing but even if it was not, it is very disingenious to blame a Government that's barely been in power for 6 months.--------"People who rely on benefits are seeing their benefits cut which means they have less money to live on and they are poor already. The coalition should tax people who are working more because they can afford to pay more not cut benefits."-------They've not "cut" benefits, they've rearranged them so that it always pays to work. I cannot see any possible reason to object to this, especially when you see people stuck in the position of not being able to leave benefits because of the cut in income that working will give them. This leaves them trapped, and needs to be sorted, which is what they are doing now, and is something that Labour refused to do anything about in 13 years. These people who Labour failed to help may be beyond help now.-----"And then the coalition is cutting back on public sector jobs. When these people lose their jobs they will not be paying tax at all so that means the country will be poorer because it will have even less taxes."-----And where does the money come from to pay them their salary? That's right; tax. If they get £1,000 a month, and pay out £150 in tax, then this is a net LOSS to the Treasury of £850 a month. Surely, that was patently obvious to those not blinded by political ideology?------"All these policies are madness. The Coalition should go and Labour should run the country because they know how to run it properly."------1) you must be kidding, surely? Thanks to Wikileaks, we know that most other Western countries even questioned the running of the economy and 2) does democracy mean nothing? They were voted out. We didn't want them as a party. Get over it. Labour failed! Sun 26 Dec 2010 22:00:32 GMT+1 LondonHarris http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=95#comment771 712. At 12:07pm on 25 Dec 2010, Anarcho-libertarian wrote:The coalition is working better than I expected. This is mainly because the Lib-Dems have shown themselves to be pragmatic realists. I never expected that and I respect them for it.----------------------------------------------------On the contrary, the reason this Coalition is not working is because the Liberty - Dems have thrown in the towel at the top with [ Butler Clegg ] so that millionaires both inside Government and outwith can continue to dictate to the middle and lower Classes what is good for them, since the Archbishop of Canterbury is correct where he has suggested that those at the Top - End amongst the Rich and Elite Classes have NOT shoulder anywhere their share of the burden of hardships that is both now and in the not to distance future going to hit those within the Middle, and more over the poorer lower classes hard.We have emerging now in the UK a renewal of the Class devide between both the REAL Rich and POOR, while the Lib - Dems within this Coalition Government wrongly look up to those within their Coalition ranks ie; [Cameron and Boy George included], whom would like nothing more than to be seeing the vast amounts of those within the Working - Classes living below the Poverty - Line.The REAL fight therefore, is to rid the UK of People like David Cameron, Nick Clegg and George Osbourne from having anything whatsoever to do with ANY say and running of the UK, otherwise things will only go from bad to being far worse in the not to distant future. Sun 26 Dec 2010 21:46:56 GMT+1 MR TRUCULENT http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=95#comment770 MR . TRUCULENT SAYSOn the surface bits are flaking off the coalition.However deep secret policies are rock solid .What I am to surgest is something that no polititions would leek to any news paper.Several days ago there was a said earthquake in Cumbria . MR. Truculent lives near to this area. However the sinical Mr. truculent does not believe it was natural . He believes that it was an underground nuclear explosion. Workington and Whitehaven have lots of disused underground mines. Remember after the Chenovel tradgerdy, we were getting the weather from the Atlantic, it was not comming from the east .However parts of the lakeland fells were contaminated and sheep were not aloud to be sold or even moved . I believe that these restrictions were in place to only a couple of years ago ? I stand to be corrected if they are still in force.(where did this contamination come from ,it did not effect the whole county)With the USA and Russia about to make historical nuclear arms reduction,MR. TRUCULENT believes this was deliberty done ,not to warn Korea , but to send a message to the USA THAT WE HAVE AN INDERPENDANT nuclear deterent . A kind of French Degaul attitude.We have surported the USA on many crusades , but they did not help us in the Falklands and bullied us into defeat in the Cod war.You might say MR. TRUCULENT is dreaming of conspircies , but in fact he is a very suspisious and sinical person....... Sun 26 Dec 2010 21:45:21 GMT+1 Jack Hargreaves http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=95#comment769 No the coalition is not working. When Labour were in power there was plenty of money about and everything was running well. Now that Labour are no longer in power the economy is doing really badly and poor people are suffering.People who rely on benefits are seeing their benefits cut which means they have less money to live on and they are poor already. The coalition should tax people who are working more because they can afford to pay more not cut benefits.And then the coalition is cutting back on public sector jobs. When these people lose their jobs they will not be paying tax at all so that means the country will be poorer because it will have even less taxes.All these policies are madness. The Coalition should go and Labour should run the country because they know how to run it properly. Sun 26 Dec 2010 21:29:25 GMT+1 Peter Hodge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=95#comment768 The coalition is a joke. But I suppose it is better this way around than a LibDem/Labour government. But we have to a large degree a tail wagging the dog situation. Clegg, with no mandate whatsoever has power way beyond what he should have. His members are so busy shooting themselves in the feet they have little time for dealing with the issues they should be dealing with.Though I have some sympathy with Vince Cable, who expresses a sentiment regarding Murdoch that many of share.Will the coalition last? What is the alternative? Another Labour government? Bring on the suicide pills. The reality is, we don't have much of a choice. Sun 26 Dec 2010 21:20:15 GMT+1 GeoffWard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=95#comment767 "You think that the Liberals have credibility,integrity? Why didn't the Liberals hold on to their principals, and asked for another election? .... as the Greens did in Brazil." (foxyeric 701)...............................Hi Eric,most countries have many parties, so calling for another election is illogical.The Green Party in Brazil promoted a candidate (Silva) for the election of the President; it did poorly in the 'general election' but in the Presidential election she provided a swing vote as she came third in the first round of the three horse race. The Greens wanted Silva to throw her weight behind one or other of the remaining candidates in the second (final) round, and thereby win coalition ministries for the Green Party.Silva, a disaffected Workers Party ex-minister for the Environment standing pregmatically under the Green Party banner, did the opposite. She gave her support to neither remaining candidates, allowing the Workers Party candidate, the ex-revolutionary Dilma Rousseff, to prevail.The Greens got nothing. All the non-Workers Party ministers were selected from the usual old suspects from the usual old cabal of minor parties.All in all, a lousey model for the UK to emulate.Geoff. Sun 26 Dec 2010 21:12:50 GMT+1 Nevergetold http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=95#comment766 764. At 6:37pm on 26 Dec 2010, Bill wrote:Millions of potential immigrants/ 'asylum seekers' still think it's great! ............................................Well for the five decades prior to Nu Labour the average foreign born population of Britain increased steadily under all governments ( which were mainly Tory) so it must have of been before then. ---------------------------------------------------------------------Two million plus families have come in during the last 10 years under Labour. Put another way- population larger than Birmingham. That's called mass immigration!-----------------------------------------------------This is a meaningless statistic without context. Many people come here mostly to work or study (including from the EU), more importantly many leave the country too. If you just added all the people who have come here in the past 100 years you would get an even larger number!This is not to say immigrationit should not be controlled and managed.As has been observed in another posting, rational argument is difficult when there are so many who use immigration as a euphemism for racial comments. Objective evidence is that foreigners have come to the UK to live, work and settle for many years and did so long before the conception of Nu Labour. Sun 26 Dec 2010 21:01:28 GMT+1 John_Bull http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=95#comment765 701. At 10:07am on 25 Dec 2010, foxyeric wrote:699. At 09:37am on 25 Dec 2010, Peter Eccles wrote:--------------------------------------------------------------You think that the Liberals have credibility,integrity?You have to remember that the Liberals signed up to the Conservatives because they had a bigger majority.Watch where Nick Clegg goes after all this! Europe as a Commissioner.Why didn't the Liberals hold on to their principals, and asked for another election? As the Greens did in Brazil.-----------------------------------------------------The single biggest issue for the Liberals is proportional representation.If they achieve this ambition then every subsequent government would in all likelihood be a coalition.If they turned down this opportunity to form a coalition with the Conservatives, then what message would that have sent to the electorate? Yes to coalition but only if it’s with Labour? In reality, if we do end up with PR, then permanent Lib-Lab pacts would probably be the inevitable outcome. Whilst many might find that appealing, this hardly represents an improvement to democracy, and the Liberals would simply have been advertising that fact if they had refused to cooperate with the Tories. Sun 26 Dec 2010 19:43:10 GMT+1 John_Bull http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=95#comment764 762. At 6:08pm on 26 Dec 2010, phill wrote:You like so many other gullible people out there fell for the complete rubbish that Cameron spouted about the level of debt, yes we are in debt a lot of it but as I stated it would have been considerably less had the previous Tory government not run the country down so much.--------------------------------------------------------------Phil, your opinion of what good government is, seems to be directly related to how much money it spends! Spending money is easy...and it is our money...good government is about spending it wisely and not creating debt unnecessarily! If all Labour did was invest more money on infrastructure, then your statement would be accurate. In actuality though, much more money was spent on increased running costs. And the budget went into deficit as early as 2001 to fund these increased running costs. Putting this in a business context; this is akin to you taking on additional staff, when you have no increase in turnover, and then borrowing money each week to pay their wages. Calling people gullible for questioning the logic of this of policy is rather ironic. Sun 26 Dec 2010 19:08:05 GMT+1 Bill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=94#comment763 Nevergetold wrote:743. At 1:26pm on 26 Dec 2010, Bill wrote:James Hanley wrote:My fear that they will bring down this once great country to the lowest level of the lowest of any third world country.---------------------------------------------------------------------"Once great country"- when, before Nu Labour got their hands on it?Millions of potential immigrants/ 'asylum seekers' still think it's great! ............................................Well for the five decades prior to Nu Labour the average foreign born population of Britain increased steadily under all governments ( which were mainly Tory) so it must have of been before then. ---------------------------------------------------------------------Two million plus families have come in during the last 10 years under Labour. Put another way- population larger than Birmingham. That's called mass immigration! Sun 26 Dec 2010 18:37:26 GMT+1 Diamondrush http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=94#comment762 Certain Lib Dems are behaving like they are in a completely different party to their coalition allies. Oh, hang on, they ARE.Of course they will have disagreements, that's why they are in two parties in the first place.The point of a coalition is not to forget about their different views, but to use those views to shape the country. Sun 26 Dec 2010 18:29:22 GMT+1 phill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=94#comment761 #642 Well straight away you are completely wrong as it happens I had my own building buissiness for eleven years which collapsed in the early 90s because there was no rule governing how long people were allowed to go before they paid their bills (something later changed by Gordon Brown) also because of some very complicated ridiculous red tape that was in place reguarding VAT that was removed by Gordon Brown within weeks of becoming the new chancellor because as he said "it is an unfair burden on small buissinesses".You like so many other gullible people out there fell for the complete rubbish that Cameron spouted about the level of debt, yes we are in debt a lot of it but as I stated it would have been considerably less had the previous Tory government not run the country down so much.The figures of new nurses doctors police etc I refered to are not made up figures they aren't even disputed by this incompetent coalition they are official figures. One of the first things in the NHS that Labour had to do when they came into office was to set about a nurse recruitment programme because so many had left in the previous years. It takes over 3 years to train a nurse and 5 years a doctor so in the interim it was neccessary to fill the gap with a big influx of excelently trained nurses from the phillipnes.Why else do you think the then government tried to get the Phillipine nurses (to add to the racial mix?)instead of believing all the crap you read in the sun look at the facts. Sun 26 Dec 2010 18:08:34 GMT+1 phill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=94#comment760 #614 Of course there was in fighting in the Labour government like every government before. The difference is here you have a government packed full of daddy made millionaire incompetents and liars who promised one thing before the election and deliver the exact opposite after. In only six months they have been able to turn this country into a laughing stock the world over and that is before their policies hit home properly.As you seem to be such a big fan of this coalition and what they are delivering I would be interested to know if you have already signed up to Camerons big society rubbish and have become, for instance a Special Constable or some other member of the public helping Cameron to put people out of work?I think if this same question is asked this time next year when unemployment is nudging or surpassing the four million mark and our NHS waiting lists are back to the length they were in the 80s and early 90s. The crime rate has risen sharply along with interest rates, you may find even people as gullible as yourself have finally woken up to the . Sun 26 Dec 2010 17:47:35 GMT+1 John_Bull http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=94#comment759 756. At 4:26pm on 26 Dec 2010, Kevin Orr wrote:743. At 1:26pm on 26 Dec 2010, Bill wrote:James Hanley wrote:My fear that they will bring down this once great country to the lowest level of the lowest of any third world country.---------------------------------------------------------------------"Once great country"- when, before Nu Labour got their hands on it?Millions of potential immigrants/ 'asylum seekers' still think it's great!=============================================================LOL. Doesn't matter what the topic is. The screaming racists always get their bit in.Personally I prefer foreigners to "Brits". They're generally much nicer------------------------------------------------------------Questioning the criteria of what qualifies others to enter this country and under what circumstances they may enter, is not racist! It was this tendency to label people who did question the last government's immigration policy as being 'racist' that led to an increase in support for the BNP – Hardly a desirable outcome for anyone!The debate about immigration needs to be less emotive and more realistic. Sun 26 Dec 2010 17:45:37 GMT+1 Kevin Orr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=94#comment758 758. At 4:56pm on 26 Dec 2010, caretakers wrote:"Given the almost total shambles New Labour left this country in both financially and socially, the difficulties faced by those who are genuinely trying to resolve the situation and move the country forward are tiny by comparison."============================================================LOL. Yes, those Tories will be sure to get us out of the crisis, with their caring benevolent ways-----HO HO HO! Sun 26 Dec 2010 17:21:27 GMT+1 caretakers http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=94#comment757 Given the almost total shambles New Labour left this country in both financially and socially, the difficulties faced by those who are genuinely trying to resolve the situation and move the country forward are tiny by comparison. Sun 26 Dec 2010 16:56:39 GMT+1 Kevin Orr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=94#comment756 730. At 9:57pm on 25 Dec 2010, PAUL WILLIAMS wrote:Well, after the discovery of a dead body today, i want a referendum on capital punishment, and i want it now-----------------------------------------------------------Yep. Let's start with all members and supporters of the 3 main parties! Sun 26 Dec 2010 16:29:03 GMT+1 Kevin Orr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=93#comment755 743. At 1:26pm on 26 Dec 2010, Bill wrote:James Hanley wrote:My fear that they will bring down this once great country to the lowest level of the lowest of any third world country.---------------------------------------------------------------------"Once great country"- when, before Nu Labour got their hands on it?Millions of potential immigrants/ 'asylum seekers' still think it's great!=============================================================LOL. Doesn't matter what the topic is. The screaming racists always get their bit in.Personally I prefer foreigners to "Brits". They're generally much nicer Sun 26 Dec 2010 16:26:37 GMT+1 Nevergetold http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=93#comment754 743. At 1:26pm on 26 Dec 2010, Bill wrote:James Hanley wrote:My fear that they will bring down this once great country to the lowest level of the lowest of any third world country.---------------------------------------------------------------------"Once great country"- when, before Nu Labour got their hands on it?Millions of potential immigrants/ 'asylum seekers' still think it's great! ............................................Well for the five decades prior to Nu Labour the average foreign born population of Britain increased steadily under all governments ( which were mainly Tory) so it must have of been before then. Sun 26 Dec 2010 16:06:05 GMT+1 Alan T http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=93#comment753 What? There is disagreement, mistrust and mutual suspicion inside the coalition? These journos and editors should be on Mastermind doing Basil's subject: "Specialist subject, the bleedin' obvious".I guess there is no actual news ... It's a silly season story that will blow over. I just wish our press (and some of their customers) were a little more grown up. Sun 26 Dec 2010 15:55:50 GMT+1 Dave Cook http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=93#comment752 Yes, now shut up about it and stop trying to bring them down. Sun 26 Dec 2010 15:50:59 GMT+1 Bill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=93#comment751 There are at least two dozen Lib Dem MPs in traditional Tory seats, such as Winchester and Sutton and Cheam, where Labour supporters vote Lib Dem to keep the Tory out. I cannot wait for these Labour supporters to carry out their threat and vote according to their convictions. Sun 26 Dec 2010 15:50:52 GMT+1 Nevergetold http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=93#comment750 740. At 1:02pm on 26 Dec 2010, Bill wrote:mocker wrote:An eventuality the bookies are predicting might be with us sooner than we'd first envisaged last May,if their odds are correct?------------------------------------------------------------------------Heaven help us if we rely on the bookies for future events. There ain't gonna be an election before 2015! If there was one do you really believe the country would go for Milliband and crew? Even Labour's mass immigration to our country would be hard put to ensure that result. Labour have got form for leaving our country in a mess when they get thrown out and most of the electorate are not idiots.....................I agree there will not be an election till 2015, but this has little to do with the electorate. Having declared a fixed term coalition, any attempt by Cameron to call an election sooner than this (unless he lost a vote of confidence) would be seen as cutting and running. A more likely scenario is some Lib Dem resignations from the government and the Lib Dems splitting in two parts, Clegg's part sustaining the coalition and the larger part trying to reestablish its radical traditions, but neither part voting for dissolution till the last possible moment. Sun 26 Dec 2010 15:47:25 GMT+1 matt-stone http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=93#comment749 The COALITION is a party for COALMINERS. Our Arfur would have been proud of it. Its a shame it has been hijacked by the Tories and the Liberals, they know nout about pits and mines, not in Yorkshire, they don't ! That Maggie whatsername wasn't right then and isn't right now - not in the state she's at !! With coal we would've kept them fires burning in this weffer and keeping the shivers at bay. Like Arfur used to say, wiff coal we would all have ten bob and much more left besides. Crackers !! Sun 26 Dec 2010 15:42:25 GMT+1 Nevergetold http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=93#comment748 733. At 03:26am on 26 Dec 2010, ummm OK wrote:I know nothing about British politics, and should probably mind my own business, but it looks like Mr. Cameron is doing dirty work that will aid Mr. Clegg for a run in the future. Is that how it works over there? ///////////////////We cannot lecture others about interfering in the affairs of other countries so you go ahead.Mr Cameron is doing as much of the right wing agenda as he can get away with, but that is what he was (almost) elected to do (in the traditional British minority vote, winner takes all way)so you cannot blame him. But I cannot think of anythng that Cameron is doing that will help Clegg who (depending on your point of view) is either showing his true colours or betraying his supporters. Sun 26 Dec 2010 15:14:13 GMT+1 aka_bluepeter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=92#comment747 It was always going to be an uneasy alliance where compromises were going to be necessary on many policies, quite rightly.However Cable is a loose canon and needs to be tamped down. He is playing a wearying political game preparing for a potential failure of Alliance policies and or, more importantly and likely, political unpopularity, where he can stand apart and say I told you so and don't say I didn't warn you.Clearly there are still going to be battles to be fought where large tranches of the public sector are going to be up in arms. Sun 26 Dec 2010 14:14:23 GMT+1 chris http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=92#comment746 The coalition is a joke , everything they have said they have gone back on the purpose cuts people strike or protest and then they back down where have the spines of great leaders gone like winston church hill, maggie thather or even hitler... in any other country there would be a call for re ellections to get rid of the rubish, this contry did beter during the time ith a hung parliment. Sun 26 Dec 2010 13:54:56 GMT+1 oldJohnno http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=92#comment745 Well........sort of! Sun 26 Dec 2010 13:49:28 GMT+1 nativeson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=92#comment744 741 James Hanley says the Tories and working class have never got on... God save us from cliches, especially hopelessly wrong ones! Since when have labour represented the working class? If they believe in equality and damn the old school tie, why are they over run by public school toffs themselves? (Teddy Millibrand being one just like Blair!)Why do they parachute their public school buddies and chums to safe seats in Stoke and Liverpool? Why the nepotism-quango jobs for mates,something they always berate the tories about.Why the billions wasted on lawyers and consultants instead of the money being spent to allieviate povery and improve infrastructures (A Kenyan report on the BBC over a decade ago highlighted how labour wasted billions on lawyer chums 'discussing' PFI for the tubes and that the money squandered would have completely rebuilt and put new rolling stock on the central line)Why over 4000 laws passed that were unscrutinized, have made a joke of justice, have been condemned by civil liberty and human rights groups and almost weekly have been branded illegal in the high court? The list is endless. To say the tories and coalition are crap is fine, but to suggest in anyway labour are the alternative is to display poitical naivete and lack of awareness and understanding on a vast scale. You, and the whole copuntry, need to abandon this archaic party partizanship and damn bad for being bad. Labour may have once stood for 'working class' but to suggest that now is breathtakingly naive! Sun 26 Dec 2010 13:43:42 GMT+1 chrislabiff http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=92#comment743 How would we ever know? Sun 26 Dec 2010 13:36:15 GMT+1 Bill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=92#comment742 James Hanley wrote:My fear that they will bring down this once great country to the lowest level of the lowest of any third world country.---------------------------------------------------------------------"Once great country"- when, before Nu Labour got their hands on it?Millions of potential immigrants/ 'asylum seekers' still think it's great! Sun 26 Dec 2010 13:26:38 GMT+1 NPG http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=92#comment741 Firstly the coalition is doomed to failure at some stage, the sooner the better in my opinion. Grassroot LibDems want nothing to do with the Tories the natural home for disaffected LibDems is Labour, not the Tories, therefore this coalition imposed on them by their leadership was bound to cause trouble. It is not surprising that there are a number of LibDem mps (just) towing the line in public but behind closed doors they are probably as unhappy with the situation as the grassroot members.Secondly, I am no tory or libdem, but I feel that the Telegraph and its reporters need to be brought before the courts because of the manner in which they got this information. If the police or intellegence services need to use these means to gather information they have to get authorisation, why should this not be the case in all circumstances. Infact companies who record conversations HAVE by law to inform that conversations are being recorded, surely this has to cover these reporters as they are doing the work of there employer. Sun 26 Dec 2010 13:03:47 GMT+1 The Watcher of democracy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=92#comment740 NO. Its destroying the country just like Thatcher did when she was in power.Torys and the Working classes have never got on well together for the rich Torys always want the workers to be subservent to them. They forget that Ministers are civil servents and are there to serve the people, employed by the people and are answerable to the people, not the other way around. They and other Governments seem to forget this, and then the country falls into rot and decay because of the conlict between them, then one day when they find they are elected out of office, (which this coalition will find out at the next election), they do everything in their power to make it almost impossible for the incomming government to put right. My fear that they will bring down this once great country to the lowest level of the lowest of any third world country. Sun 26 Dec 2010 13:03:09 GMT+1 Bill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=91#comment739 mocker wrote:An eventuality the bookies are predicting might be with us sooner than we'd first envisaged last May,if their odds are correct?------------------------------------------------------------------------Heaven help us if we rely on the bookies for future events. There ain't gonna be an election before 2015! If there was one do you really believe the country would go for Milliband and crew? Even Labour's mass immigration to our country would be hard put to ensure that result. Labour have got form for leaving our country in a mess when they get thrown out and most of the electorate are not idiots. Sun 26 Dec 2010 13:02:36 GMT+1 mocker http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=91#comment738 The overriding impression I gain from watching this so called "coalition" govt thrash about in every direction,looking for the next pettifogging saving no matter how insignificant its impression will be on the overall situation, is that they really don't have a clue as what to do next!In short it matters not whether Nick agrees with CMD,Vince claims to know more than both of them,or Simon Hughes looses sleep over where or not he should renege on a written promise made prior to the election - in the end he took the cowardly route & opted out of casting his vote. Nope,the single most important factor for all of us will be,just how much further damage has been done to the social/economic fabric of UK society,when the NEXT govt takes over??An eventuality the bookies are predicting might be with us sooner than we'd first envisaged last May,if their odds are correct? Sun 26 Dec 2010 12:14:22 GMT+1 regjay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=91#comment737 The Lib Dems sold their soul for less than 30 pieces of silver when they jumped into bed with the Tories for government. IT WILL END IN TEARS. WE WILL ALL PAY AND PAY. Sun 26 Dec 2010 11:53:16 GMT+1 Clear Incite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=91#comment736 To be fair to the Tories (and I never like being fair to Tories).To say they are merely slamming the Poor isn't really fair. They are actually no worse than labour on this point, both partys Tax mainly people they can get money from, they don't Tax the mega rich or even the very rich, because no body has the bottle to do it. Now I'm not talking of the man who made his fortune from hard work and endeavor thy should be give a fairly easy ride, I'm talking of the economic Gamblers the stock market racketeers they by rights should be rung dry of every penny,dollar or euro problem is the first country to do it, its economy will collapse making these "B" more money for their pile. And what Country supports these "B" the most the USA, we merely try for a slice of the action, but to me this seems a very dodgy way to run a economynothing short of gambling and we just lost. Sun 26 Dec 2010 11:09:00 GMT+1 Underwhere http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=91#comment735 #719 richard_h2Excuse the break but I was working all day yesterday. My shift begins again in a few hours time so discussions may be delayed by further breaks. Never mind, Seasonal greetings are in order, whatever the celebration be.You still do not get it do you? The UK deficit and the market collapse are directly and indirectly linked just as they are in every country in the world, even emerging economies. Taxes pay for needed day to day things but big ideas require big money. How do governments raise money – by borrowing – just as every other financially interested party do each and every day. That is how you build economies. And in the reverse direction it is called investment. So for every penny borrowed there is a penny invested, oh really, well think again!So every dime of every loan paid out is an investment, an expected return, profit via whatever means can be mustered and the longer the term the greater the profit. Except the “shorts” could also make money too, hidden between each deal, either quasi-legal as a market speculator or illegal as a fraudster on a project with brown envelopes. I have been in developing countries and established countries (even in the UK) and watched as investments are made legally or illegally, and sometimes there is little difference, except one has cash in the envelope and the other has a piece of paper with ink on it. Does the ink mean anything? Who knows?That is how the markets operated over thirty long years. That is why it was so attractive for the so called “new banks”; no one would ever suspect them of so much fraud because no one bothered to tell them it was fraud. And the “shorts” had a field day.And politicians made lots of money via their new friendships with the burgeoning financial groups. They sanctioned deals in communications, IT, food, supplies, stationary, electronic goods, white goods, property, logistics, law, market speculators, financial institutions, science, health, research, education, the whole darned commercial complex. And all of it was investment one way, and a loan the other. And most everyone was happy because they had, so they thought, found a way to increase money supply without involving money at all. And the failsafe was speed. The electronic transaction, the ability to move fast and with sleight of hand. A million dollars made in the push of a computer key.There is no divide between politics and commercialism. There is no difference to your mortgage because you cannot pay for your house now and the Government borrowing over the long haul. They involve people who are supposed to have money to lend to you except, in the past thirty years, having money was no longer a requirement to having money to lend to you, and that, my friend is why the whole thing collapsed into is fraudulent morass.So who does the UK owe money to? Who holds the gilts (or should we call them guilts), the bonds (or is that bondage), whatever? I've asked you again, and now again. It is just like Great Expectations when the person who has been bailing you out for your whole life has just been released from Parkhurst Prison or wherever. The ex-con comes to visit you to see how you are and you recoil in anger, disbelief. What about decency you cry within! And business is just as mucky and murky now as it was then. Carry on seeing the difference if you wish, if it makes you happy, but really, friend, there isn't one. Sun 26 Dec 2010 09:27:11 GMT+1 RICH588 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=91#comment734 I cannot comprehend how it can work simply because their veiws are so different now maybe the ministers from bothe parties can compromise but the voters will not compromise their core beliefs They are hoping that by the time of the next election life will be better but thst is an impossibulity at best they will safeguard the lifestyle of a few to the detriment of the majority Sun 26 Dec 2010 08:19:18 GMT+1 Andy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=91#comment733 730. At 9:57pm on 25 Dec 2010, PAUL WILLIAMS wrote:Well, after the discovery of a dead body today, i want a referendum on capital punishment, and i want it now. If the coalition could just sort that small matter out for us, then it's working ! If they can't sort the economy out ,they could win a lot of support with this. ----------------------------------------------------------------------Um, no thanks, I don't want Sharia Law in the UK, and I'm sure the vast majority of people don't want it either. Sun 26 Dec 2010 06:20:01 GMT+1 ummm OK http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=91#comment732 I know nothing about British politics, and should probably mind my own business, but it looks like Mr. Cameron is doing dirty work that will aid Mr. Clegg for a run in the future. Is that how it works over there? Sun 26 Dec 2010 03:26:06 GMT+1 richard_h2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=90#comment731 704. At 10:40am on 25 Dec 2010, hildasreject wrote:in the capacity of truth and fairness no.if the telegraph is to be believed.libdems are voting against there political conscience.they are living a lie.the tories are still the "nasty party"you saw there reaction when the multi million air recomended is slashing and cutting policy directed at the working classes.some of them are still waving there whit papers and screaming for more blood.this is the reality of a coalition with the likes of osbourne and cameron and clegg(a natural tory boy)it is understandable there is unrest.what is unexceptable is there political cowardness,this is the cross they will carry to the end of there political careers which should be about five years.they can take a little solace in cables stance against rupert and his gang,admired by all free thinking brits from all sides of the political spectrum.he as exposed the lack of back bone in the majority of our MPs,it is a sickening sight.-> Agree with the cable bit ..but otherwise bonkers. The coalition is doing it's best - give it a break for once with your carping. What really IS 'nasty' IS the dire ecomonic state we are now in. Whoever is in power has a very difficult job and has to do very unpopular things.-> If you are praying for Labour to take over again, Milliband recently told students after the vote that Labour would promise them 'nothing'. Then later that week admitted (not spread everywhere in the papers!) that they 'might not' reverse the coalition cuts and the fees. Lastly he also didn't have a stated policy but thought some cuts were inevitable. So what's the difference ? They are just hoping to do as little as possible in the hope no one notices. In actually if they were in as I said before I suspect they would HAVE TO DO many of the same things the coalition are doing ! The country is in economic hole - don't think that there are any easy or popular decisions! . -> Where were you for 13 years of Labour misrule ? Did you complain when Blair was in power or just stay quiet ? Iraq War ring a bell ??? Campbell/Mandelsohn who both personified the 'nasty' face of Labour. Your comments remind me of a few 'lefty students' Ive known over the years who love sentences containing words like 'tory scum' 'nasty party' 'lies' 'downtrodden working classes' etc etc. Somehow they brainwash themselves into thinking they are downtrodden members of the poor innercity working class who hate the establishment and the Tories in particular. Truth was many of these people came from nice, comfortable middle class backgrounds where their mum did their washing for them and dad picked them up from the train station. But politically they thought they were 'socialists'. Years later when they've had wives, mortgages and good jobs then 'magically' have a profound change politically. Sun 26 Dec 2010 02:57:48 GMT+1 billyhano http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=90#comment730 I have lost count. On the Coalition list: "Who to blame for our serial failures". Is the Daily Telegraph number 4014 or 4015? Sat 25 Dec 2010 22:18:30 GMT+1 PAUL WILLIAMS http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=90#comment729 Well, after the discovery of a dead body today, i want a referendum on capital punishment, and i want it now. If the coalition could just sort that small matter out for us, then it's working ! If they can't sort the economy out ,they could win a lot of support with this. Sat 25 Dec 2010 21:57:16 GMT+1 Stephanni Snape http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=90#comment728 This post has been Removed Sat 25 Dec 2010 21:55:46 GMT+1 muttlee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=90#comment727 The Daily Telegraph is just stirring up discord inside the Coalition because of a rightwing agenda they feel is not being met. Sat 25 Dec 2010 19:36:14 GMT+1 nativeson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=90#comment726 What great options we have. A completely dreadful and incompetent labour party or a completely incompetent coalition or tory or liberal party! I don't mind the coalition being damned-along with the tories and lib dems; but I find it unbelievable that people even remotely think labour are in any way a viable option. Party politics and partizanship needs to end, people need to wake up and damn a bad government no matter what it calls itself. Labour supporters need to use a litmus test; would they have been shamefully silent the last 13 years if the tories had done even a fraction of the damage politically socially and economically as labour did? Perhaps if the tories pledged to start illegal wars that would swing their vote. We're a niave and backward population when it come to politics. Sat 25 Dec 2010 19:08:23 GMT+1 PAUL WILLIAMS http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=90#comment725 Yes ,i think that the coalition is as viable as any single party these days. While we appear to have less 'team players' in politics and more vain 'celeb' types, no government is going to be that solid ,long term, anymore. Labour had their chances ,a lot of them...if they'd still be 'true' socialists ,they might have still been in power. That can't possibly be Margaret Thatchers's fault ..can it? Sat 25 Dec 2010 18:35:41 GMT+1 Bill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=90#comment724 Who are these "neutral observers" you presume to speak for? Milliband will not last until the next election. Sat 25 Dec 2010 18:01:17 GMT+1 Nevergetold http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=89#comment723 699. At 09:37am on 25 Dec 2010, Peter Eccles wrote:So Ed Milliband thinks that the Coalition is a sham. What a short memory he's got. He seems to have already forgotten (or could it be that he's deliberately choosing to overlook the fact) that his former boss's last desperate act before being deservedly kicked out of Downing Street was to try to form a Coalition with the Lib-Dems. Milliband is a lightweight no-hoper but I would give him just a little more credibility if he'd had the principles to have spoken out against the concept of a Coalition government in May rather than hang on to Brown's coat tails for his own survival prospects. The words 'integrity, politician, no' come to mind.....................Meaningless partisan prattle methinks. Few credible politicians said anything against a coalition at the time. They all knew that the country needed a stable government and that it was their duty to play the uncertain hand the electrorate had dealt. Brown had to act in accordance with the established protocols which he did. Labour knew it had lost but that the Tories knew they had not won. For the first time in their lives Lib Dems knew they had a serious choice to make. It was not the time for meaningless statements of the kind you suggest. Milliband is no less credible a leader than Cameron was two years ago. I have not seen enough to judge but his performnce at PMQ seems as credible as Cameron to most neutral observers which clearly you are not. Sat 25 Dec 2010 17:21:53 GMT+1 Bill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=89#comment722 Nevergetold wrote:696. At 09:07am on 25 Dec 2010, greade wrote:Something seems to be working as this is the first year that pensioners have had more than one £25 cold weather fuel payment. When labour was in power you got one and that was that.Is this a serious comment or am I falling for sarcasm? Whether you get a cold weather payment depends on your post code and the temperatures over a 7 day period. Even the most reactionary and biased Tory cannot surely blame Labour for the weather in their postcode, surely?-------------------------------------------------------------------------Oh yes we can!! Sat 25 Dec 2010 16:49:06 GMT+1 Michael-in-Scotland http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=89#comment721 I do not think that the BBC has served the public interest here. These reports are the obvious result of someone / organisation that is using the BBC to manipulate public opinion. In my OPINION, it is to paint the Lib/Dems as a bunch of incompetents. Murdoch is likely to repeat Fox News here, the end of news, the start of opinion on events. The result of things like this are that large portions of the US population are under the impression that man's activities have had no effect on the climate.The future for we Brits is very poor if we allow organisations like that that owns the Telegraph, or, that that owns the Times, to gain stronger footholds where "opinion" is reported. After all, its not even 100 years since "opinion" making publications appeared in Germany, within, 15 years, the opinions on racial or religious types were going up the chimneys of the extermination camps.I think the public interest would be better served by reporting on the political aims and agendas of these new media moguls. How it is that Sky TV with all of its channels, is a vehicle for the rehash of cheap US programming, does not serve this country, Europe, by commissioning new and original content on the European continent, as organisations like HBO do in the US. Sat 25 Dec 2010 16:46:26 GMT+1 Nevergetold http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=89#comment720 696. At 09:07am on 25 Dec 2010, greade wrote:Something seems to be working as this is the first year that pensioners have had more than one £25 cold weather fuel payment. When labour was in power you got one and that was that.Is this a serious comment or am I falling for sarcasm? Whether you get a cold weather payment depends on your post code and the temperatures over a 7 day period. Even the most reactionary and biased Tory cannot surely blame Labour for the weather in their postcode, surely? Sat 25 Dec 2010 16:17:00 GMT+1 Ahsan Sarkar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=89#comment719 The coalition is working in the sense that it still continues to provide a functional government.But it is obvious that the coalition is subject to some stresses and strains. The Liberal Democrats had to vote for increase in tuition fees much against their will.As the Conservatives manage to master more powers in their hands,the coalition partners may be at loggerheads soon. This may embolden the Conservatives to call for a snap electionin a bid to gain an absolute majority.But they may not try this in view of the fact that the British economy has not yet fully recovered from the recession.As such, the Britons cannot have the luxury of making this recent government a musical chair.In my opinion the journalists are not justified in using undercover methods to get a story. This is because an udercover method may not yield objective and dispassionate information which alone should form the basis of responsible reporting in a democratic state.The journalists may have an apparent good cause for doing it,but an ignoble means automatically vitiates a noble end.In fact the coalition has already experienced a jolt because of the role of the journalists. The recent revelations have done the coaltion some harm. The Liberal Democrat and the Conservative leaders have to work like shrewd statesmen to overcome this tricky problem. Sat 25 Dec 2010 16:01:08 GMT+1 richard_h2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=89#comment718 711. At 12:07pm on 25 Dec 2010, Underwhere wrote:I went to great lengths to explain the situation but you still want to twist it around don't you. -> I didnt twist anything. I actually agree with many things you've written banks/financiers. But I don't agree with your link between the excesses of financiers and the UK deficit & economy. Also you appear to totally excuse the last government from the excesses of these financiers. More below. And then to New Labour with its rapidly growing private partnership nest eggs, where no end of private companies got rich on contracts, projects, and consultancies. Lots and lots of jobs created in the private sector by a socialist (allegedly) government. My goodness New Labour were out-Torying the Tories!-> But overall the 'permanent' jobs created in the private sector were dwarfed by those created in the public sector. Sure big companies like consultants, law & accountancy companies might have done very well out of the labour years with big fat government contracts. But these didn't employ lots and lots and lots of jobs and there is more to UK industry than just Accenture, KPMG and PricewaterhouseCoopers I am simply asking questions in the hope we can actually discover the depths of the outrageous fraud committed by greedy financiers because we certainly we do not know anything at all at the moment. And until we can know the detail then smacking Brown in the mouth is pretty rough justice.-> Firstly don't let me discourage you asking nasty questions regarding financiers. I and many others of all political persuasions are probably fed up of this situation. But doing something about it is the difficult bit when you are dealing with wealthy secretive global institutions. Where I disagree is that Blair/Brown were in charge of the UK economy and government throughout for a long time. How is it rough justice for them to pay a political price for this ? They were our elected representatives and could have asked some very searching questions and put forward policies to curb the worst practices of these institutions. They didn't and instead for years it was business as usual, gongs were given to the bosses, in return the government took the tax money and ran. No questions asked. You are trying to make political capital and you can't do so because no one on this planet actually knows how much damage was done when the bottom fell out of the financial market places. How much cheating was going on and who was doing it? No one knows, and, what is getting me angry, no one apparently wants to find out. And until they do I will remain unconvinced there is any money to pay back at all.-> Yes I can make political capital about what happens to 'our' money thanks ! As above I think you are mixing 2 different things. I don't blame the last government for the world recession. I blame them for the UK deficit and national debt which was caused by their cavalier attitude towards spending lots and lots of our money on a huge public sector which got totally out of control. As I've said they had a 'hands off' attitude towards the city as long as the city provided them huge amounts of taxmoney to spend on the public sector. In return Labour asked no awkward questions and let them alone. Labour also bashed for Tories for years about 'No more boom and bust with Labour!' which turned out to be opportunistic rubbish. So what do you expect ?And my final comments are I haven't trusted anyone in the ruling classes for three decades because I know better, and you do not carry on paying back someone who has been convicted of a fraud that involved you, you may actually seek recompense.-> So I guess your advice is dont vote for any of them ? Whoever the 'ruling' classes are these days ! As far as i can see the likes of Jordan and John Terry have more wealth and just as much power these days than many MPs! Sat 25 Dec 2010 15:55:21 GMT+1 Bill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=89#comment717 Johns the Man wrote:It is quite clear from the most recent statistics on currency valuation performancies that George Osborne is not just out of touch with ordinary people, out of touch with students, out of touch with business but also out of touch with reality if the latest figures are anything to go by, as the pound continues its decline against the other major currencies.------------------------------------------------------------------------I don't know where you get your information from but, from what I see, the pound has done quite well against both the euro and the dollar since the election. Bearing in mind the 'quantatitive easing' or, as we used to call it, printing of money that went on under Labour. But then, as with previous Labour governments, the coalition has got some right ole mess to clear up and it will take some time. Sat 25 Dec 2010 14:30:47 GMT+1 Johns the Man http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=89#comment716 Undercover reporters for the Daily Telegraph have revealed further tensions between Liberal Democrat members of the coalition and their Conservative colleagues in government. Is the coalition still viable?In the latest transcipts by the Daily Telegraph, Transport Minister Norman Baker and Deputy Leader of the House and David Heath say they voted in favour of tuition fees even though they opposed the policy and Mr Heath also suggested Chancellor George Osborne was out of touch with ordinary people.It is quite clear from the most recent statistics on currency valuation performancies that George Osborne is not just out of touch with ordinary people, out of touch with students, out of touch with business but also out of touch with reality if the latest figures are anything to go by, as the pound continues its decline against the other major currencies.Surely that alone indicates that these huge cutbacks are ill thought out panic measures that will do far more harm in both the long and the short term. Unless of course you happen to be a millionair. Sat 25 Dec 2010 13:43:29 GMT+1 Peter Eccles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=88#comment715 Re:posting 701 - in answer to your question - no I don't. Ever the arch opportunists, the Lib-Dems got the smell of (their only likely opportunity of) power and, as you say, saw the Tories as the ones to get into bed with. I don't know that the Lib-Dems could have forced another election could they? Didn't the Tories have first call on forming a minority government first? As for future direction of young Mr. Clegg - you could be right. Isn't that why the EU exists, to form a lucrative old boy's club for Europe's career failure politicians? Sat 25 Dec 2010 13:41:04 GMT+1 Opprobrium http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=88#comment714 Not living in the UK means I cannot comment on how well the coalition is working, but here in Canada where the minority government keeps subjecting the majority of the population to the will of a few ideologues, I can certainly avow that the alternatives are likely worse.Many of us here in Canada fervently wish that we could have a more co-operative government of two or more Parties which support the majority of the population rather than what we have now which is bordering on being undemocratic. Sat 25 Dec 2010 13:39:50 GMT+1 Eat the Path http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=88#comment713 So far the biggest complaint against the coalition, and supposed evidence for failure, is that they're working together. Compromising on some policies in order to get through other policies isn't an enormous outrage, it's the only way a coalition can function. Do naysayers expect one party in the coalition to steam roll over the other and everything work out fine?And no, I don't believe that ministers having their own opinion, to be their own person and not an automaton that is public property, is shocking sign of things going wrong. I don't expect Libdems or Tories to suddenly start loving each other, I only expect them to work together and so far they appear to be doing this. Sat 25 Dec 2010 13:13:12 GMT+1 Bill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=88#comment712 Nevergetold wrote:669. At 9:41pm on 24 Dec 2010, Bill wrote:How many of these 'Lib Dem voters' who say they will never vote for them again are not really Lib Dems? Could they be Labour supporters in constituencies where Labour does not have a 'cat in hells' chance of getting elected? These people look upon there votes as being the only way of keeping the Tories out. My advice to them is- in future vote with conviction. Then you will not be disappointed.....................................I confess that I have on occasions in the past voted tactically in this way. Its not a question of conviction its a matter of using a flawed ekectoral system to best advantage. However, last time I voted Lib Dem as the lesser of all the evils and in the hope of getting a proportional representation. As things stand it appears they cannot even deliver that.But please do not be hypocritical. There are just as many Tories in Labour constituencies who vote tactcally for Lib Dems. ----------------------------------------------------------------------How do you know? It's a well-known fact that Labour supporters in Tory strongholds are encouraged to vote Lib Dem in order to keep the Tories out. No way would the Lib Dems get elected in such places as Winchester, Bath, Southport, Kingston, Twickenham, Sutton and Cheam, etc, etc. This is one of the reasons Labour can get a working majority by being just 3% ahead of the Tories whereas the Tories have to be at least 8% ahead of Labour to get a working majority. Sat 25 Dec 2010 12:21:25 GMT+1 Anarcho-libertarian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=88#comment711 The coalition is working better than I expected. This is mainly because the Lib-Dems have shown themselves to be pragmatic realists. I never expected that and I respect them for it.It seems that it will take a long time before much of the media grasps that coalitions are different from one party governments : Disagreement and public argument are to be expected and do not necessarily mean that the government is in imminent danger of collapse. The constant harping on the unhappiness of certain Lib-Dems is just boring. It would be a story if they agreed with David Cameron. Sat 25 Dec 2010 12:07:57 GMT+1 Underwhere http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=88#comment710 #697 richard_h2 blames “New Labour” for the UK's problems.I went to great lengths to explain the situation but you still want to twist it around don't you. So let us see what happened in the US when Bush conjured a major relaxation of regulations alongside his tax cuts, forcing the administration to shrink and the dollar exchange rate to collapse particularly against the Euro. That was in 2000 and is still a root cause of the eventual collapse of the stock and exchange markets in 2007 just as the Asian markets had been tipped over in 1997 by various reckless dealings during the decade before.We also have the evidence of Carter and then Clinton doing a “Thatcher” on cheap housing which has also been blamed as a root cause (the sub-prime element).Then we have the "creative accountancy" fraudulently bolstering market values and used to fuel banking credit worthiness but eventually disappearing up its own exhaust pipes, also a root cause.And then to Vince Cable who lauded the principle of taking people earning less than £10k out of tax, whilst also climbing on the wagon of higher rate taxes, briefly. He didn't see doomsday coming , nor did anyone else in political office in the UK. So please excuse my guffaw at these “oh so wise after the event” windbags. The reason they didn't see it is because only the market could see the implosion when it actually happened on their computer monitors and by then it was too late.But the reason why the “hot air money” (i.e. money that never existed ) is important is because if there was nothing to lend because the lender never had any money anyway only a crooked electronic transaction, then where is the debt to repay? So when we are paying our “deficit” back who are we paying it back to? People who cheated? People who gambled and lost, now trying every trick in the book to coerce repayments? Or just villains and crooks with numbered bank accounts.And then to New Labour with its rapidly growing private partnership nest eggs, where no end of private companies got rich on contracts, projects, and consultancies. Lots and lots of jobs created in the private sector by a socialist (allegedly) government. My goodness New Labour were out-Torying the Tories!I am simply asking questions in the hope we can actually discover the depths of the outrageous fraud committed by greedy financiers because we certainly we do not know anything at all at the moment. And until we can know the detail then smacking Brown in the mouth is pretty rough justice.You are trying to make political capital and you can't do so because no one on this planet actually knows how much damage was done when the bottom fell out of the financial market places. How much cheating was going on and who was doing it? No one knows, and, what is getting me angry, no one apparently wants to find out. And until they do I will remain unconvinced there is any money to pay back at all.And my final comments are I haven't trusted anyone in the ruling classes for three decades because I know better, and you do not carry on paying back someone who has been convicted of a fraud that involved you, you may actually seek recompense. Sat 25 Dec 2010 12:07:49 GMT+1 hildasreject http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=88#comment709 have you stop posting on this site????????? Sat 25 Dec 2010 12:06:32 GMT+1 hildasreject http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=88#comment708 why can i not sign in ?????????? Sat 25 Dec 2010 11:58:57 GMT+1 Red Robbo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=87#comment707 683. At 02:35am on 25 Dec 2010, Nevergetold wrote:661. At 7:54pm on 24 Dec 2010, govhealthwarning wrote:These people are only saying what we all think. We had an "unelected" PM with G.Brown, now we have an "unelected" Government. I, for one, am all in favour of a "re-trial".Let us have a fresh election, first past the post, NOW!!!!We just had one. Suppose we did have another, what will you do if we get the same result? Like many other HYS posters they will keep on moaning and whining until they get the government that they want. Sat 25 Dec 2010 11:23:21 GMT+1 michellegrand http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=87#comment706 If we'd had another election - indeed if we have one now - the Conservative party are the only one who can afford to campaign and they would win a majority. I think we try coaltions (we get them all over the place in local government - blue/yellow, red/yellow, red/ blue (true!) and so on)and behaving like grown ups. The Telegraph to my mind has behaved badly - MP's will watch what they say all the more now. And it makes it more likely that Murdoch will get the dominant position in the british media (and given news Corporation apparently paid less in corporation tax than I paid in tax last year that really gets my goat) Sat 25 Dec 2010 11:04:39 GMT+1 michellegrand http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=87#comment705 1) The Telegraph wants a Conservative Government only - and hates the fact that the coalition is not carrying out very right wing tory policies. 2) All political parties are coalitions and argue and disagree3) The LibDems and Tories are 2 different parties with different philosophies, with some over laps (as both have with labour and other parties as well)4) No party (or group inside a party) tends to get everything it wants5) The concept that everyone has to pretend they agree with everything a Government does is silly. Perhaps in public it's a good idea, but i don't want MP's to be little automans. Do you? Sat 25 Dec 2010 10:57:15 GMT+1 stepee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/is_the_coalition_working.html?page=87#comment704 There are I believe alternative ways to see this - either straight as it appears which means that some damage to trust must have occurred or as it may be, perhaps as a smokescreen or an act designed to show the party faithful that both "sides" are what they have always claimed to be but are forced by circumstance to cooperate with the "nasty Tories/effete Liberals when the "truth" is that to all intents and purposes all the main parties are identical communard internationalists. Sat 25 Dec 2010 10:47:48 GMT+1