Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html en-gb 30 Sun 01 Feb 2015 07:18:46 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html Enny2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=99#comment926 He spoke the truth, his biggest mistake is to apologise. He should have stood buy his words. Fri 31 Dec 2010 01:03:49 GMT+1 2squirrels http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=99#comment925 There should have been no need for Vince Cable to any anything the Monopolies commission should have stopped this hbeing able to happen. Maxwell thinks he is God and flings his authority around in a deadful way. Wed 29 Dec 2010 21:03:25 GMT+1 Peter Bridgemont http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=99#comment924 This post has been Removed Wed 29 Dec 2010 12:51:31 GMT+1 Stephanni Snape http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=99#comment923 This post has been Removed Tue 28 Dec 2010 21:05:24 GMT+1 Haltone http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=99#comment922 "Vince Cable will remain in the cabinet despite "declaring war" on Rupert Murdoch, Downing Street says. What impact will this have on the coalition governmenT?"-------------------------------------------------------The problem is that Vince Cable's reputation is now tarnished. His job was to regulate the media companies so they do not engage in anti-competitive practices, not to declare ideological warfare on a section of it simply because he does not like their politics. Tue 28 Dec 2010 17:36:45 GMT+1 Stringfellow http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=99#comment921 Whether you love him or hate him, the simple fact is that Murdoch is a hard-nosed businessman with an eye to maximising his profits, people have to continue buying what he has to sell in order for him to stay in business. If they do not he goes out of business.The most government can do is regulate the media industry, just like any other commercial industry under existing anti-competition rules. They are not the thought-police and cannot single him out for special attention because they don't like the political ideology espoused by his media network. Tue 28 Dec 2010 13:38:28 GMT+1 Chris and Chantal http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=99#comment920 We are absolutely crazy with this SPYING techniques. When are the Newspapers going to be dealing with SERIOUS items? Who wants to know about what such and such says? THE RIGHT TO KNOW thing is rubbish when the knowing is that below the belt! Tue 28 Dec 2010 10:52:38 GMT+1 Longstep http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=99#comment919 At 4:21pm on 27 Dec 2010, th3_0r4cl3 wrote:It is not arrogance it is an awareness of FACTSMurdoch uses his media to promote HIS pro zionist pro right wing christian global political agenda. The human race would be better off if his entire media network was flushed away down a very large toilet.----------------------------------------------------When you say 'FACTS' don't you really 'YOUR FACTS,' and anyone who has the temerity to question 'YOUR FACTS', is a brainwashed fool.I don't care about the Murdoch media network one way or the other, but I don't expect the government to step in and swat him away like a fly either.Thats for the people who are buying his media products to decide with their pocket books.But of course in your estimation they are delusional fools, so you expect the nanny state to do it for you instead. Mon 27 Dec 2010 17:20:29 GMT+1 th3_0r4cl3 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=99#comment918 It is not arrogance it is an awareness of FACTSMurdoch uses his media to promote HIS pro zionist pro right wing christian global political agenda. The human race would be better off if his entire media network was flushed away down a very large toilet. Mon 27 Dec 2010 16:21:54 GMT+1 Longstep http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=98#comment917 At 00:40am on 26 Dec 2010, th3_0r4cl3 wrote:"I do not purchase any murdoch products and never read a tabloid paper i do not watch soaps either, these moronic media outlets of murdochs are used to shape the opinion of SHEEPLE the unthinking masses"--------------------------------------------------------------It would seem your anger is directed at ordinary people as much as it is at Murdoch. The 'unthinking masses' and the "SHEEPLE" meaning anyone who does not agree with your supercillious opinion...oh the arrogance!You are right to say it is the people who keep him in business, if they stop buying his media products he goes out of business.But of course in your haughty opinion they are too 'brainwashed' to know that. Sun 26 Dec 2010 23:50:21 GMT+1 Tamiflu http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=98#comment916 Mr. Cable should be honest.Sorry. My bad.Honesty and politics have never gone together. Doubt they ever will either!Granted, Murdoch needs to be kept under control, but there are far more powerful combines out there that are infinitely more dangerous.Present situation notwithstanding. Bui I could be wrong, of course. Sun 26 Dec 2010 22:49:41 GMT+1 th3_0r4cl3 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=98#comment915 908. At 00:10am on 24 Dec 2010, Manfred wrote:In a free society government cannot gag or censor someone just because they disagree with their opinion, Murdoch media empire included.If people really hate Murdoch so much, why do they keep buying his television and his newspapers?. simples. =================================================I do not purchase any murdoch products and never read a tabloid paper i do not watch soaps either, these moronic media outlets of murdochs are used to shape the opinion of SHEEPLE the unthinking masses, those who believe that x factor and strictly aren't fixed to ensure maximum ratings and generate revenue and cultivate opinion in favour of the ideology of the network sponsors. You are a fool if you can not see this. Sun 26 Dec 2010 00:40:56 GMT+1 billy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=98#comment914 the man is a buffoon once again politicians let the whole country down with their arrogance and ignorance Sat 25 Dec 2010 20:04:29 GMT+1 Freeranger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=98#comment913 Vince Cable will remain in the cabinet despite "declaring war" on Rupert Murdoch.Are you kidding, a nobody like Vince Cable pretending he can declare 'war' on Rupert Murdoch.Rupert Murdoch eats people like him for breakfast.It's not the governments job to regulate the media, Murdoch's fate is in the hands of the people and their buying power. Sat 25 Dec 2010 12:12:43 GMT+1 greade http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=98#comment912 Because you work for the government it does not mean you have to agree with everything they say or do, what happened to freedom of speech. It is nice to see the human side of people even if they do make booboos. Good on him. Sat 25 Dec 2010 09:04:13 GMT+1 Freeranger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=98#comment911 At 10:32am on 24 Dec 2010, Fred Schuhmacher wrote:In my opinion the fault is more with the press and their methods than Vince Cable.The Telegraph wouldn't apply their underhand methods to their friends in the banking & city fraternity or at least to right wing Tory MPs. These people would have more revealing things to tell us and are to my mind far more guilty than Vince Cable.By contrast, recording a supposedly private conversation while pretending to be a constituent is an unpleasant tactic that leaves us all feeling vulnerable. -------------------------------------------------------You could argue the same thing about wikileaks, they only seem interested in revealing things that embarass America or the west, while refusing to leak anything related to the politics of Russia or China. Sat 25 Dec 2010 00:17:07 GMT+1 Fred Schuhmacher http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=98#comment910 This post has been Removed Fri 24 Dec 2010 10:32:15 GMT+1 chrislabiff http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=98#comment909 In the words of MilwaukeeRay anybody who 'declares war' on Rupert Murdoch is OK in my book. Fri 24 Dec 2010 09:02:30 GMT+1 Enny2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=97#comment908 Vince Cable is but a man. But he should have resign and focus on his party. I found the apology unwise. Why apologise for speaking the truth? Just watchout for other Cheeky Reporters next time. Fri 24 Dec 2010 08:54:45 GMT+1 Manfred http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=97#comment907 In a free society government cannot gag or censor someone just because they disagree with their opinion, Murdoch media empire included.If people really hate Murdoch so much, why do they keep buying his television and his newspapers?. simples. Fri 24 Dec 2010 00:10:06 GMT+1 windblown http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=97#comment906 I wonder how many HYSers are applauding the Telegraph sting whilst condemning Wiki-leaks. Both organisations have succeeded in revealing what people of power and influence really think. Given that we already know that coalitions and parties with a broad base contain people who despise each other should we really be making so much of Vince Cable's misfortune?We all lie or try to appear to be what we are not in our daily social and working lives. Life would be intolerable at times if people knew what we really thought on a number of issues. Such 'lying' is an instinctive and necessary human social skill. Therefore I refuse to be judgemental about Cable's candidness. I can only criticise him for his naivety. He needs to learn fast that sections of the media will use unethical methods to reveal facts that they think are in the common good to know. Thu 23 Dec 2010 23:38:59 GMT+1 JohnnyBravo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=97#comment905 892. At 11:04am on 23 Dec 2010, sixpackerL wrote:889. At 10:14am on 23 Dec 2010, JohnnyBravo wrote:Oh, and another couple of things, while I'm at it you see ?The press, are now busy analysing Jedward Millibands response to all off this.I'd be much more interested in hearing him give some honest answers as to how the last Nu Labour Government put us into the financial mess that we are now in. A Government that HE and the rest of the Shadow Cabinet were a part of !They have had plenty of oppertunity to do so and to say "sorry, we got it wrong" ! ====================I think the international banking crisis has had enough coverage dont you? You been asleep for the past couple of years?-------------------------------------------------------------------------If you read my comment, as it was written, you will see that I was not asking for a new debate on the economy. But, instead, asking for Jedward Milliband to offer up some honest answers as to he and the rest of the Shadow Cabinet, landed us in this financial mess in the first place, instead of cheap point scoring attacks on complete and utter "Non stories" or anything else that moves ! Seemples ! Thu 23 Dec 2010 23:31:27 GMT+1 Stephanni Snape http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=97#comment904 This post has been Removed Thu 23 Dec 2010 22:04:58 GMT+1 Total Mass Retain http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=97#comment903 500. At 11:49am on 22 Dec 2010, The Bloke wrote:Your pc snobbery is making you make mistakes. You're assuming that people are either 'intellectual' and therefore lefty/liberal, or tabloid readers.If you wish not to be mistaken for a thicko tabloid reader I would seriously suggest you use a different soubriquet than "The Bloke". Thu 23 Dec 2010 22:03:22 GMT+1 Steve Richards http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=97#comment902 I can not believe the support that St Vince has on this site.He had a quasi-judicial role in deciding business decisions worth billions of pounds.He admitted that he had already decided to act in a certain way before he had received all of his official advice.This is the same as a high court Judge saying, you will have a fair trial then you will be hung.The man is a dangerous fool and the Telegraph should be congratulated for exposing him. Thu 23 Dec 2010 21:33:24 GMT+1 RICH588 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=97#comment901 I believe the general population do not realise that we do not vote politicians in we only vote them out a number of us had become disalusioned with G Brown but as a nation we did not want him out we wanted him curtailed most people over the age of 50 would not have given Thatchers babes a 1 in a thousand chance of forming a government So ED does not have to do anything but just sit tight if he does nothing stupid he will be the next PM however that does depend on the vote on our voting system Thu 23 Dec 2010 20:38:15 GMT+1 Whooper http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=97#comment900 Having watched various news channels in the past few days, why has Vince Cable not been charged for failing on at least three occasions to wear and fasten a seatbelt whilst a passenger in a vehicle? This has also been done in full view of the police as he sped off to avoid the press. Is there one law for politicians and another for the rest of us?Take a look at any of the recent news headlines for confirmation. Thu 23 Dec 2010 19:46:37 GMT+1 shiny4127 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=96#comment899 Vince cable is one of the FEW honest politicians left, why?because he is not ambitious!.realising he is considered an "elder statesman", it allows him the luxury to tell the voting public the truth.That is why the "bionic twins" Messrs clegg and Cameron are very wary of him.he has ABSOLUTELY nothing to apologise about, in his attempts to thwart a an megalomaniac media mogul, who would like to CONTROL all our "free" press.well done Vince! where was the "twins" indignation, when their colleagues were happily ripping off their constituents?feathering their nests, at the taxpayers expense ? Thu 23 Dec 2010 17:40:32 GMT+1 U14366475 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=96#comment898 "898. At 5:28pm on 23 Dec 2010, Ajit wrote:I, for one, am happy that @vincecable stands up for rights of the people against media interests"Why can't people do that for themselves? All people have to do is not buy into it, but people do, because they want to. Thu 23 Dec 2010 17:36:53 GMT+1 Ajit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=96#comment897 I, for one, am happy that @vincecable stands up for rights of the people against media interests! Thu 23 Dec 2010 17:28:34 GMT+1 shiny4127 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=96#comment896 this press baron would like to totally monopolise the British press, then ( quite apart from being able to charge for EVERYTHING one views on British TV) he can dictate what is, and more importantly was is NOT published in our "free" press.if one man owns the media, he controls what information the "unwashed masses" have access too. Thu 23 Dec 2010 17:27:14 GMT+1 Khuli http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=96#comment895 882. At 09:33am on 23 Dec 2010, who2believe? wrote:What did he do wrong?Was it having an opinion of his own?Was it voicing that opinion?Was it because it was different to Tory opinion?Was it because he thought one man should not have so much media power and that man objected?------------No, it's because as Business Secretary he was to have the final say on tne BskyB takeover, and should be seen to be impartial in making a decision. Instead he showed himself to be biased and unprofessional. Thu 23 Dec 2010 17:08:26 GMT+1 U14366475 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=96#comment894 "894. At 2:04pm on 23 Dec 2010, theworldhasgoneinsane wrote:Vince Cable should NOT have apologised and should NOT have been demoted. Rupert Murdoch is far too big for his own boots and anything that stops him and his overbloated media corporation is a good thing in my view.I'm also dismayed that New Labour under the "boy wonder" will carry on the tradition started by Bliar and Brown in being more right wing than the tories in his apparent support of Murdoch. What a bunch of champagne socialists!! "The more things change, the more they stay the same. Thu 23 Dec 2010 14:44:09 GMT+1 theworldhasgoneinsane http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=96#comment893 Vince Cable should NOT have apologised and should NOT have been demoted. Rupert Murdoch is far too big for his own boots and anything that stops him and his overbloated media corporation is a good thing in my view. I'm also dismayed that New Labour under the "boy wonder" will carry on the tradition started by Bliar and Brown in being more right wing than the tories in his apparent support of Murdoch. What a bunch of champagne socialists!! Thu 23 Dec 2010 14:04:12 GMT+1 EarlyBaby Boomer http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=96#comment892 Well at last he has shown his true colours, by making the statement he did he has ensured that Murdoch will get his own way, one wonders if that was his motive in saying what he did. He is through and through a Socialist. Unfortunately I am not a millionare and so cannot afford a socialist government. Thu 23 Dec 2010 13:15:24 GMT+1 Sixp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=96#comment891 889. At 10:14am on 23 Dec 2010, JohnnyBravo wrote:Oh, and another couple of things, while I'm at it you see ?The press, are now busy analysing Jedward Millibands response to all off this.I'd be much more interested in hearing him give some honest answers as to how the last Nu Labour Government put us into the financial mess that we are now in. A Government that HE and the rest of the Shadow Cabinet were a part of !They have had plenty of oppertunity to do so and to say "sorry, we got it wrong" ! ====================I think the international banking crisis has had enough coverage dont you? You been asleep for the past couple of years? Thu 23 Dec 2010 11:04:05 GMT+1 Total Mass Retain http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=96#comment890 887. At 09:52am on 23 Dec 2010, The Bloke wrote://876. At 09:08am on 23 Dec 2010, Jonathan wrote:I'm rather surprised by the Daily Telegraph, which traditionally supports the Conservatives. We have a minority government and the Conservatives need the support of other parties to get policies accepted. Vince Cable has been naive, but surely a confidential conversation goes both ways. If Vince Cable had gone to the press with details about the private lives of some of his constituents, he would have been justly criticised. Surely, his 'constituents' shouldn't be allowed to capitalise on their meetings with him.Similarly, if the Telegraph gets its way and the coalition collapses, does it really want another ellection. If the UK has one, there is a strong likelihood that Labour will win, our debts will increase and the future cuts will dwarf the current proposals. Is that really the aim of the Daily Telegraph? //I'm not so sure Labour would win, but it is a risk, that's for sure.What I've noticed about the Telegraph is that it is quite willing to tell truths which conflict with its agenda. I know it's not alone in doing that. For instance, the Guardian has been fairly open in letting the BBC's revered David King make a prat of himself over the ClimateGate leaks.The BBC doesn't seem to have been quite so open.The current leaks don't really tell us much, apart from the fact that LibDems do seem to be very naive, or stupid. But then again, many of us knew that all along. It's a great pity the likes of the BBC went into adoration mode towards the LibDems before the last election.Yes and the Independent is good at allowing the Lawsons (Nigel and Dominic) to make prats of themselves over the subject of climate change too. The BBC also allows you and many others that same privilege over that subject too! Thu 23 Dec 2010 10:55:29 GMT+1 steve http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=95#comment889 I can't say I disagree with anything that the Liberal Democrat ministers have said.You can't trust DC and the 18th Baronet Osborne clearly doesn't have a clue about the impact of child benefit cuts on low and middle income earners.You have to ask therefore why the Hell the Lib Dems agreed to a coalition with a party that has virtually no shared values or aspirations.I am aware of the electoral mathematics preventing a Lib Lab coalition.If only Gordon Brown had handed over the leadership of the Labour party to someone (anyone) a few months prior to the election I Suspect the outcome would have been far different.It is time that Lib Dems spoke up in public not just when they think they are talking to constituents in private.I assume these shoddy journalistic tactics have also been used by the Torrygraph to expose Conservatives real views.If not why not?Is it because you will never get a straight answer from a Tory in public or private?Or because the only purpose of this operation was to undermine a government that the Torrygraph would prefer to be "pure" right wing ? Thu 23 Dec 2010 10:16:53 GMT+1 JohnnyBravo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=95#comment888 Oh, and another couple of things, while I'm at it you see ?The press, are now busy analysing Jedward Millibands response to all off this.I'd be much more interested in hearing him give some honest answers as to how the last Nu Labour Government put us into the financial mess that we are now in. A Government that HE and the rest of the Shadow Cabinet were a part of !They have had plenty of oppertunity to do so and to say "sorry, we got it wrong" ! But no, instead they choose to continue to bicker, like playground, oppertunistic, name calling bullies !Well, the bullies at my old school stopped growing after a while, and ended up getting their nosses bloodied !Also, I do not have SKY in my house, nor will I ! I refuse to put so much as one penny into Murdoch pocket ! I'm quite happy with Match of the Day, The Football League Show and the Rugby Highlights on ITV !Not a penny,, do you hear me,, not a penny !!!Aaand,, Breeeath Johnny, breeeath. Thu 23 Dec 2010 10:14:33 GMT+1 JohnnyBravo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=95#comment887 This only proves several things to me:Saint Vince, isn't as clever as some would have us believe. But, at least he tells the truth by saying what we are all thinking.Murdoch is trying to control our nations media. I'd rather Vince Cable was left with the power to block him doing just that.Cameron and Clegg should have stood up and said "So what" a got on with it ! They have now given it to Jeremy Hunt who, supports Murdoch ?I am becoming BORED, BORED, BORED of Journalist "stings" ! It is the type of sensationalist nonsense that you would expect from Fox News, owned by,, Murdoch ! I used to buy the Daily Telegraph, daily. Never again !Cameron and Clegg should have stood up and said "So what" and got on with it ! They have showed a complete lack of conviction and backbone ! Cowards, the pair of em !If the Coalition Government say it's Black, then Labour will say it's White, even if it is, actually Black ! Opposition for oppositions sake ! Pathetic !Everyone that I have spoke to on this either didn't know what I was talking about or, considered it a total non-event. That just shows that it was only ever an issue in the micro world of Politics, Parliment and the media. i watched on the train to work yesterday to see hoe many people around me were reading this story. Let me tell you, very few indeed !Non-event, non-story, hyped up to be one ! Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:58:14 GMT+1 The Bloke http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=95#comment886 //876. At 09:08am on 23 Dec 2010, Jonathan wrote:I'm rather surprised by the Daily Telegraph, which traditionally supports the Conservatives. We have a minority government and the Conservatives need the support of other parties to get policies accepted. Vince Cable has been naive, but surely a confidential conversation goes both ways. If Vince Cable had gone to the press with details about the private lives of some of his constituents, he would have been justly criticised. Surely, his 'constituents' shouldn't be allowed to capitalise on their meetings with him.Similarly, if the Telegraph gets its way and the coalition collapses, does it really want another ellection. If the UK has one, there is a strong likelihood that Labour will win, our debts will increase and the future cuts will dwarf the current proposals. Is that really the aim of the Daily Telegraph? //I'm not so sure Labour would win, but it is a risk, that's for sure.What I've noticed about the Telegraph is that it is quite willing to tell truths which conflict with its agenda. I know it's not alone in doing that. For instance, the Guardian has been fairly open in letting the BBC's revered David King make a prat of himself over the ClimateGate leaks.The BBC doesn't seem to have been quite so open.The current leaks don't really tell us much, apart from the fact that LibDems do seem to be very naive, or stupid. But then again, many of us knew that all along. It's a great pity the likes of the BBC went into adoration mode towards the LibDems before the last election. Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:52:15 GMT+1 John_Bull http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=95#comment885 846. At 00:15am on 23 Dec 2010, John_Bull wrote:841. At 11:29pm on 22 Dec 2010, Billythefirst wrote:606. At 2:10pm on 22 Dec 2010, professor plum wrote:Vince the vain has effectively talked himself into the dunces corner. What a wally !------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pickles Osborne Gove Fox and Lansley have been there there for months.....you sure there's space.---------------------------------------------There probably isn't!...Because Prescott, Harmon, Straw, Jowell, Hoon, Ainsworth, Hain, Clarke and Blears et al... have inhabited that corner for over a decade!___________________________________________Yet it would seem the only way is down!--------------------------------------------Well maybe Joe or maybe not.It's much easier to govern when the sun is shining and you can make yourself popular by spending other people's money. The sun isn't shining now is it? It's also easy for Labour apologists to overlook that fact! Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:47:17 GMT+1 LeftLibertarian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=95#comment884 So Cameron and Osborne's coalition partners find Cameron insincere and Osborne out of touch with the real worldJoin the club.As for Osborne being out of touch, Cameron thinks his wife had an unconventional upbringing becasue she went to a day school. Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:40:27 GMT+1 Daisy Chained http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=95#comment883 There seems to be more than just naivety within the Liberal Democrat section of the Coalition. It seems the Tories, and their supporters within HYS, are also incredibly naive. Several Lib Dems have now said they are playing Tories off against each other, and so it is hard to believe the reverse is not true as well.In other words neither the Government nor the Cabinet are strong, are unified, are meaningful, are trustworthy, are stable. Or, put another way, the UK is in charge of a small bunch of people lying to each other through their teeth and has a Chancellor who is "beyond the pale".Is that really the way to run a country that is still on the brink of a Great Depression? Is that really better than Chancellor Brown who was lauded by his own, the Tories and the Lib Dems alike until the wheels fell off the Global Economy Express train, with an "in the know, would I lie to you" Blair exiting stage right just before the scene where the out of control locomotive jumps the red lights, the platform, the station precinct, and the entire city behind it? Some storyboard and a pity politicians keep re-reading their own press plaudits rather than the small print in the earnest stop the press reports. It is going to happen all over again too. This time the locomotive is apparently lighter, less powerful and has two engineers, but these Coaltion drivers are blind to the fact the track gradient is downhill and steepening, and the signals, platforms, precincts, are not even partially rebuilt. And the cities beyond have used the same poor reconstruction material as before and the devastation is predicted to be four may be five times as heavy. It is what you get when you stick a bunch of power crazed lunatics in charge of serious business. I thought the Olympic stadium episode was abyssmally crass and embarrassing, a taster of what is to follow if we, the people, do not grab control back from the idiots in 2011. Actually, optimistically, I think they will all decide to commit political suicide sometime quite soon. I understand Mr Murdoch has already negotiated a venue, has exclusive media rights and is busy selling seats even as I type this. Nice to know the fickle rich never take their work that seriously. Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:39:49 GMT+1 The Freckle Faced Ginger Englishman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=95#comment882 It would be easy to put the brakes on Murdoch.Just stop subscribing to Sky.But they are not going to do that are they, they might miss 22 men kicking a bag of wind around. Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:35:46 GMT+1 who2believe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=95#comment881 What did he do wrong?Was it having an opinion of his own?Was it voicing that opinion?Was it because it was different to Tory opinion?Was it because he thought one man should not have so much media power and that man objected?Funny really I thought that as the Tories and Lib Dems were two different parties so they would have disagreements in some areas otherwise why have two parties?Does it make me think any worse of him? - no - as a politician he's better than most (thought that isn't saying much). Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:33:59 GMT+1 barryp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=94#comment880 If Politicians started off telling us the truth there would be no scope for 'revelations'. In almost all businesses there are deep disagreements between people, mosly those disagreements are not hidden, I doubt if they are in Parliament. Todays story involving two other Lib-dems is simply a repeat of what many of us think, no drama, no secrecy. The problem only comes when people cannot continue to work with 'the other idiots in the office'. We ahave all worked in offices where there is discord, but the job gets done, not in spite of the discord, but often because of the discord. The sooner the 'Reporters' from the Telegraph go back to flower shows and Courts reports the better for Democracy in action. Those who think that there is real mileage in the reports need to look at the real world a little harder. Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:32:01 GMT+1 Robin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=94#comment879 Vince Cable echoes my feelings entirely. I don't dislike Rupert Murdoch and News International but I just think they are getting far too powerful and influential. Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:29:01 GMT+1 moreram http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=94#comment878 842. At 11:39pm on 22 Dec 2010, gee4444 wrote:838. At 11:16pm on 22 Dec 2010, Manfred wrote:The reality is that BskyB only exists because people choose to subscribe to it. People do not choose of their own free will to fund the BBC, they are forced to fund it by default via the licence fee, if they want to any television channel from any source whatsoever. I would be more concerned by who controls banking rather who controls a segement of the media."Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws"Mayer Amschel Rothschild [1744-1812]------------------------------------------------I concur with most of your comment (I prefer the BBC setup as the quality of programming, in my opinion, is far superior to other countries offerings), but feel that totally dismissing the power of any media conglomerate is unwise. Here's a few comments from a few searches on the internet:"In the United States, both the Republican and Democratic Parties, with only a few prominent exceptions, have been and are in the pay of the corporate media and communication giants."[John Nichols and Robert McChesney]"The cost of being presented as a "responsible and serious candidate" by the media [is] usually to show fundamental agreement with the existing distribution of wealth and power."[Michael Lerner, philosopher, psychologist, author]"The media serve the interests of state and corporate power, which are closely interlinked, framing their reporting and analysis in a manner supportive of established privilege and limiting debate and discussion accordingly."[Noam Chomsky, American linguist and US media and foreign policy critic]"The Gulf War ... was made popular by an immense propaganda barrage unleashed by the Pentagon, the media, and government, creating an ideological milieu in which 45 percent of the population said it would be prepared to use nuclear weapons against Iraq. Military actions were, transformed into a grotesque national spectacle, a great celebration of war-making."[Carl Boggs]And recent UK elections have been won by the party supported by Murdoch's empire, proof enough of his already immense power, weilded via his media control.__________________________________________________________Good post, so be very wary the next time the word "evil" is used to describe some country's leader and the profit driven drum beat of the military industrial complex gathers pace. If you make or invest in umbrellas you need rain, if you make of invest in guns and bombs you need war. Who will be sacrificed next that we may call ourselves civilized? Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:16:06 GMT+1 jamesev http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=94#comment877 758. At 6:05pm on 22 Dec 2010, Jo wrote:Until Ed Milliband can say just one constructive thing, then he should stay back in his box. I've never heard a politician so empty of his own thoughts, all he does is says everything is wrong - but he doesn't suggest any alternatives.==========================================Ed is such the real life version of Pitt the Younger from Blackadder III - Dish and Dishonesty the Dunny-on-the-Wold episode. I keep expecting him to suggest "tougher sentences" for his geography teacher "Banana Breath" Rickshanks, before trailing off with "I now put upon the leader of the Opposition to test me on my Latin vocab" Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:14:09 GMT+1 Rickydavie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=94#comment876 This whole charade is a Lib-Dem sting. They are knowingly saying things to 'con' people into thinking they are different from Conservatives and the media have fallen into the trap of giving them free publicity. Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:12:24 GMT+1 Jonathan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=94#comment875 I'm rather surprised by the Daily Telegraph, which traditionally supports the Conservatives. We have a minority government and the Conservatives need the support of other parties to get policies accepted. Vince Cable has been naive, but surely a confidential conversation goes both ways. If Vince Cable had gone to the press with details about the private lives of some of his constituents, he would have been justly criticised. Surely, his 'constituents' shouldn't be allowed to capitalise on their meetings with him.Similarly, if the Telegraph gets its way and the coalition collapses, does it really want another ellection. If the UK has one, there is a strong likelihood that Labour will win, our debts will increase and the future cuts will dwarf the current proposals. Is that really the aim of the Daily Telegraph? Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:08:20 GMT+1 Edwin Schrodinger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=94#comment874 What I really object to about Vince Cable, apart from his apparent hypocricy, is his ridiculous hat. So much money, so little style. He looks like Wurzel Gummidge. Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:08:06 GMT+1 The Bloke http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=94#comment873 The BBC's coverage of the Pakistani asylum seeker shows how biased and dishonest the BBC is.In all their one-sided coverage of the story, they overlook the fact that - Pakistan is big - he didn't need to leave the country, and could go elsewhere in it to avoid trouble- There are lots of countries closer to Pakistan than the UK is. He could have gone to any one of those.- we, the taxpayers, have funded the education and other services he's used so far.There have been plenty of stories putting ayslum seekers in a negative light, for instance those living in luxury housing at our expense, or the one who couldn't be deported even though he was a serial criminal...Yet the BBC didn't choose to cover any one of those.Now, as usual, the BBC lie machine has found an immigration story that fits its racist, lie-driven agenda, and it's going for it. The BBC racists would never choose a story about white people being negatively affected by immigrants, or just a negative story about immigrants.That's why the those who criticise Murdoch can't claim that Murdoch is uniquely dishonest or agenda driven. That's why the BBC isn't worth defending in its current form. Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:07:14 GMT+1 littletenter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=94#comment872 Dr Cable was out of order in that he described to a 3rd party actions he intended as a Minister. If like MP's Norman Baker and David Heath he had simply expressed a dislike of a colleague whats wrong with that? Why apologise. Best thing the latter 2 could do is tell those concerned what they think to their faces, not a 3rd party. Funny thing is I can't disagree with any of their thoughts. Thu 23 Dec 2010 09:05:36 GMT+1 Red Robbo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=93#comment871 A coalition is a compromise of differing policies, views and opinions.It would be more newsworthy if the papers said that the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats were in one hundred percent agreement with each other. Thu 23 Dec 2010 08:56:16 GMT+1 John Mc http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=93#comment870 870. At 08:51am on 23 Dec 2010, sixpackerL wrote:The door and the doot, that is severe and he might not even get a golden handshake, a few million for getting things wrong, just like all the rest, maybe a banker wil give him his bonus for Christmas... Thu 23 Dec 2010 08:55:52 GMT+1 Sixp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=93#comment869 869. At 08:46am on 23 Dec 2010, you wrote:864. At 08:23am on 23 Dec 2010, Jason Mead wrote:How many on here have ever resigned because they lost an argument at work and had to do something by their boss or employer that they disagreed with? It's amazing the job queue's aren't full of people of principle who did that.In the real world we often have to accept that we lost an argument and have to do things we don't agree with. Often it actually doesn't matter so long as a decision gets made. Sometimes it does but saying "I told you so" usually is not a very good strategy for career advancement.===========================I agree with all you say but this has nothing to do with why Cable should go.He has shown that he is not capable of doing the job he has been appointed to perform (i.e. be an impartial Business Secretary).Secondly, he has been incredibly stupid is spilling the private business of government into the pubic domain (irrespective of the fact it was entrapment).What's worse is that his behaviour may have serious consequences for UK broadcasting.Any other business he who have been shown the doot.======================The door as well as the doot ;-) Thu 23 Dec 2010 08:51:22 GMT+1 Sixp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=93#comment868 864. At 08:23am on 23 Dec 2010, Jason Mead wrote:How many on here have ever resigned because they lost an argument at work and had to do something by their boss or employer that they disagreed with? It's amazing the job queue's aren't full of people of principle who did that.In the real world we often have to accept that we lost an argument and have to do things we don't agree with. Often it actually doesn't matter so long as a decision gets made. Sometimes it does but saying "I told you so" usually is not a very good strategy for career advancement.===========================I agree with all you say but this has nothing to do with why Cable should go.He has shown that he is not capable of doing the job he has been appointed to perform (i.e. be an impartial Business Secretary).Secondly, he has been incredibly stupid is spilling the private business of government into the pubic domain (irrespective of the fact it was entrapment).What's worse is that his behaviour may have serious consequences for UK broadcasting.Any other business he who have been shown the doot. Thu 23 Dec 2010 08:46:44 GMT+1 John Mc http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=93#comment867 865. At 08:26am on 23 Dec 2010, leng wrote:Does it matter who we pay for tv, I still believe I would rather pay for what I watchDo you never watch or listen the BBC???? You do realise this is a BBC website???I think I should not have to pay road tax but I do because it is a tax on my car, the licence is a tax on any receiver whether it is radio TV or the stuff you watch on this website. So you pay for it, you are using it now!!! Thu 23 Dec 2010 08:34:51 GMT+1 Biggeordie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=93#comment866 The dine with me bit was great this morning. I fully agree with Jonathan and the person who spoke just before him, but somehow Kevin Maguire seems to be considered as a a final authority on everything, everywhere. He was on some other channel where they couldnt stop praising Beckham and family. They must be on their party list. I am not interested in such highly paid people and I dont care for the taxes they pay. Maguire feels the politicians dont tell the public the whole truth. I divvin need them to tell me the whole truth. I can work that out myself. I need their reassurance that things are OK. He seems to think that such undercover journalism is all right. No it is not. We need honesty and integrity in the fourth estate. How come their identities are not disclosed on TV yet? They were trying to bring down a government, which is trying its best to make good what the previous government destroyed. Labour gave everyone what they want. Funding for just about anything and everything. There are people who can create jobs for themselves. There was a psychologist telling another psychologist was she..or social worker, how her intereview was all wrong. She was interviewing a woman who shouldnt have been interviewed in the first place. The woman should have been locked away for life, for harming a baby, her own.We see on TV people outraged because their funding is under threat. I feel what they are doing isnt important at all.We should go back to doing proper social work, free of charge. I have decided to donate only to organisations where everyone works free of charge. From the top to the bottom. This is a coaliton and they are doing well. I wouldnt have labour back. I used to support them, not any more ever. I shall stick to LibDem. Thu 23 Dec 2010 08:32:48 GMT+1 Sixp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=93#comment865 861. At 08:01am on 23 Dec 2010, Chappie wrote:Politician says one thing to someone he believes is a constituent, but in practice obeys the edicts of The Party. Surprise?Journalist uses subterfuge to obtain the confidence of someone "in the public interest", i.e. 95% of the time to generate a bit of cheap scandalmongering. Surprise?Professional moaners winge about the power and behaviour of the newspaper industry, while (unlike me) they continue to keep these people in power by buying their papers.Surprise?Leader of The Other Party siezes the opportunity to berate the politicians involved because you score points for saying Bad Things about The Other Side.Surprise?Meanwhile the majority of us pause for a while to comtemplate the sorry moral and intellectual cesspits of both politics and journalism, before returning to the daily activities in which from time to time we can hopefully make the world a better place despite the clowns who are appointed to govern us.==============================Sounds about right.Just think (irrespective of party) if an MP is guilty of gross incompetance they need to go. Its the only way to try and improve the general stanadard of politics. Thu 23 Dec 2010 08:30:54 GMT+1 leng http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=93#comment864 Does it matter who we pay for tv, I still believe I would rather pay for what I watch, than any tv licence, even if I choose not to watch that programme the corporation suggests I need to. If it comes to choice and I don't like my choice I then can turn it off to save money, to spend elsewhere.It's called consumer demand! Thu 23 Dec 2010 08:26:07 GMT+1 Centres for Stuff I Heard from Some Guy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=93#comment863 How many on here have ever resigned because they lost an argument at work and had to do something by their boss or employer that they disagreed with? It's amazing the job queue's aren't full of people of principle who did that.In the real world we often have to accept that we lost an argument and have to do things we don't agree with. Often it actually doesn't matter so long as a decision gets made. Sometimes it does but saying "I told you so" usually is not a very good strategy for career advancement. Thu 23 Dec 2010 08:23:35 GMT+1 grumpy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=92#comment862 Clegg is just a stooge for the tories he takes all the flak cameron or osborne were nowhere to be seen during the student protesets, 3 whhels on my wagon and were still rolling along, the tories are ripping us to shreds with the help of the liberals what people will do just to have a bit of power but they will surely pay the ultimate price. Thu 23 Dec 2010 08:15:36 GMT+1 costbased http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=92#comment861 I am not inclined to one party or another although after umpteen years of BLAIR we needed a change and we needed to sort out the huge numbers working in the public sector and the huge budget deficit. It had to happen sooner or later. Most of the Lib Dems are from a party that has never tasted power. Never had to have the responsibility of government. never had to make any difficult decisions. They sat on the sidelines took the MPs pay cheque and said populist sound bites. Now that they have been exposed to real power, responsibility, they are found lacking aside from Nick Clegg who seems to be a natural born leader. It almost appears that real power and real responsibility that could affect the country is too much for them to contemplate or deal with so they wish to return to their known place in the Houses of Parliament, sitting on the sidelines and complain and make noises, but not make any real decisions. BUT YET PICK UP THEIR PAY CHEQUE. I suppose whatever helps them sleep at night. Thu 23 Dec 2010 08:05:05 GMT+1 Chappie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=92#comment860 Politician says one thing to someone he believes is a constituent, but in practice obeys the edicts of The Party. Surprise?Journalist uses subterfuge to obtain the confidence of someone "in the public interest", i.e. 95% of the time to generate a bit of cheap scandalmongering. Surprise?Professional moaners winge about the power and behaviour of the newspaper industry, while (unlike me) they continue to keep these people in power by buying their papers.Surprise?Leader of The Other Party siezes the opportunity to berate the politicians involved because you score points for saying Bad Things about The Other Side.Surprise?Meanwhile the majority of us pause for a while to comtemplate the sorry moral and intellectual cesspits of both politics and journalism, before returning to the daily activities in which from time to time we can hopefully make the world a better place despite the clowns who are appointed to govern us. Thu 23 Dec 2010 08:01:22 GMT+1 Jeremy Wright http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=92#comment859 >>>...but anybody who "declares war" on Rupert Murdoch is OK in my book. You see, Murdoch is one of the right-wing billionaire sugar-daddies who is funding the so-called Tea Party in my country.You mean that The "Tea Party" is not just a bunch of ordinary citizens motivated by a dislike of taxes? You DO surprise me. Thu 23 Dec 2010 07:51:32 GMT+1 Jeremy Wright http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=92#comment858 What he said was right. Saying it to a constituent was wrong. Thu 23 Dec 2010 07:47:56 GMT+1 KCJones http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=92#comment857 I am waiting in vain for someone to condemn the tactics of the journalists in this rumpus. At the very least, they should record some conservative ministers in the same setting - I wonder what we would hear then? But of course, the Daily Telegraph are unlikely to do that. I wonder how much they would like to derail the coalition? Thu 23 Dec 2010 07:32:00 GMT+1 George http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=92#comment856 I'm with Vince on this one, well done, a politician who speaks his mind ,,,whatever next? Thu 23 Dec 2010 07:28:10 GMT+1 John Mc http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=92#comment855 OK stop the conversation about VC.....it is all out and done with...where do we go now is the question???Would it be better for VC to resign and be a voice in the wilderness, he has inside knowledge and influence, possibly he is more dangerous to the leadership outside of the fold.Remember "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer" I think Cameron did!!!So when Murdoch gets control, not if as it is a done deal look at who is overseeing the deal now !, and suddenly all your Freeview, Freesat channels get cancelled, then how much will you pay through the nose for his view on the world?The TV licence fee for the Beeb is now for the apparatus or ability to receive any broadcast actually and a large amount goes to support the British Broadcasting Corp. Not the American Broadcasting Comp. or anything else. Personnaly I do not mind the fee as it is fixed, a lot cheaper than Sky and has good content and believe me I have lived around the Globe and seen the crap out there. Some of you would like to save the fee for the Beeb but you fools how much will you end up paying to Murdoch. I cannot believe the stupidity of people and who cannot see what could lie ahead.So back to Murdoch, do you think he will not get this permission, do you believe Mr Hunt is unbiased,(as unbiased as old VC) and how much will Murdoch make and who will he push into power next time. Remember politicians you can be got rid of by the media as well as put in place. Murdoch rules the world, or that is what he wants."Murdoch does'nt report the News, he makes it" Sorry plagiarised than line from the Bond movie Tomorrow Never Dies.Now stop fighting like good boys and take on the bad man instead. Thu 23 Dec 2010 07:20:29 GMT+1 Graphis http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=92#comment854 So the Lib Dems don't agree with all of the Tories policies????Blimey, there's a shock!And people call this "news"? Thu 23 Dec 2010 07:16:58 GMT+1 holierthanthou http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=92#comment853 Will Vince quit Strictly over this? Will he do X-factor instead? hmm maybe not ..all the libs seem to have lost the x-factor for the next twenty years. Thu 23 Dec 2010 07:08:03 GMT+1 Lord Rant http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=91#comment852 Well I hope Vince Cable now realises the error of his ways .I suggest ,next time he wants to express his honest opinion about about Rupert Murdoch he uses "Sign language" .At least he won't be taped Thu 23 Dec 2010 06:49:31 GMT+1 JDavisabc http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=91#comment851 This post has been Removed Thu 23 Dec 2010 06:15:24 GMT+1 JDavisabc http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=91#comment850 Davesaid wrote:"Vince Cable should resign, his beliefs are more in line with Labour & he has always looked liked a square peg in a round hole. He built his reputation on nothing other than saying & promising things people wanted to hear,..."In that case, all MPs should resign. Surely that IS politics. They are all full of .... Thu 23 Dec 2010 06:11:19 GMT+1 Alan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=91#comment849 Judging from the comments of certain Lib Dem MPs (not just Cable), it would seem they are do not have vey much moral fibre. They are willing to criticise what they think is in private, and take their salary, but are unwilling to have the courage of their convictios and resign. What abject cowards. Thu 23 Dec 2010 06:04:59 GMT+1 100 Million Pounds Of Licence Payers Money Wasted http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=91#comment848 What are the implications for press freedom? You can't be serious?Torin Douglas's laughable 'Analysis' for the BBC website today:"Figures from Enders Analysis show that pay TV is growing in size and importance, and BSkyB has a huge share of that market. It now has 10 million subscribers in the UK and Ireland and revenues of £5.9bn, well ahead of the BBC's £3.6bn"Now, Mr Douglas, would you care to tell HYS readers what proportion of the colossal and totally totally unjustifiable compulsory license fee goes to Rupert Murdoch? Or do the hypocritical BBC thieves take each and every penny of that? And for delivering what? No wonder the BBC is angry that Sky buys up all the brilliant American drama nowadays - thereby eliminating your last remaining chance of screening something remotely original! You want diversity and choice? Scrap the license fee NOW! But keep Vince Cable. He's doing a wonderful job of exposing press and political hypocrisy. Thu 23 Dec 2010 02:31:00 GMT+1 Chris Lenton http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=91#comment847 Come on! Remember Vince's roots he is a former Labour Party member it is going to be very difficult for him and others to support everything. But is all about compromise - we voted for it when we voted for a hung parliament. What irritates the most is the self righteous press/media sitting there throwing fuel on the fire in all this they are constantly probing the coalition members for differences and then publishing them as shock horror etc. What utter nonsense and we should rise above these immature and imbecilic actions of this “comprehensive dumb down” generation. What happen to responsible reporting? This agent provocateur action that pervades many papers today is reprehensible especially for the Daily Telegraph. Still what on earth was Vince thinking to be so indiscreet? Look its tough we cannot continue to spend 20% more than we earn and as soon as the media “get with the programme” the better it will be and they should start supporting what we are trying to do rather than trying to pull it down. Let’s get rid of this negative reporting what’s the matter with everybody – get a grip! Thu 23 Dec 2010 01:09:34 GMT+1 Superlad http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=91#comment846 846. At 00:15am on 23 Dec 2010, John_Bull wrote:841. At 11:29pm on 22 Dec 2010, Billythefirst wrote:606. At 2:10pm on 22 Dec 2010, professor plum wrote:Vince the vain has effectively talked himself into the dunces corner. What a wally !------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pickles Osborne Gove Fox and Lansley have been there there for months.....you sure there's space.---------------------------------------------There probably isn't!...Because Prescott, Harmon, Straw, Jowell, Hoon, Ainsworth, Hain, Clarke and Blears et al... have inhabited that corner for over a decade!___________________________________________Yet it would seem the only way is down! Thu 23 Dec 2010 00:54:14 GMT+1 John_Bull http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=91#comment845 841. At 11:29pm on 22 Dec 2010, Billythefirst wrote:606. At 2:10pm on 22 Dec 2010, professor plum wrote:Vince the vain has effectively talked himself into the dunces corner. What a wally !------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pickles Osborne Gove Fox and Lansley have been there there for months.....you sure there's space. ---------------------------------------------There probably isn't!...Because Prescott, Harmon, Straw, Jowell, Hoon, Ainsworth, Hain, Clarke and Blears et al... have inhabited that corner for over a decade! Thu 23 Dec 2010 00:15:09 GMT+1 Billythefirst http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=91#comment844 824. At 10:14pm on 22 Dec 2010, zzgrark wrote:A few ministers have disagreements.They'll get over it. After all, the various Labour warring factions somehow stayed together 13 years.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Loving the understatement there Grarky - but in fairness the coalition does now seem to have a united view on matters such as the EC, Trident, Student Grants and Tax cheats.....I mean they must all agree otherwise someone would be saying something right? Wed 22 Dec 2010 23:59:52 GMT+1 jack sparrow http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=90#comment843 Vince Cable has shown himself to be quite naive, talking openly to complete strangers about "At war with Murdoch" must be one of the shortest wars on record. Glad he's not Home Secretary. Wed 22 Dec 2010 23:58:57 GMT+1 Valleywonder http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=90#comment842 Its great I'm loving watching this coalition implode! Go Vince. Mind you I think he's got a case against the Telegraph for gaining an advantage through deception to sell more papers. He's also bang on about stopping/declaring war on Murdoch, why else is a bloke with all that wealth and of his age still working if he's not a meglomaniac hell bent on world domination? Wed 22 Dec 2010 23:52:51 GMT+1 gee4444 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=90#comment841 838. At 11:16pm on 22 Dec 2010, Manfred wrote:The reality is that BskyB only exists because people choose to subscribe to it. People do not choose of their own free will to fund the BBC, they are forced to fund it by default via the licence fee, if they want to any television channel from any source whatsoever. I would be more concerned by who controls banking rather who controls a segement of the media."Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws"Mayer Amschel Rothschild [1744-1812]------------------------------------------------I concur with most of your comment (I prefer the BBC setup as the quality of programming, in my opinion, is far superior to other countries offerings), but feel that totally dismissing the power of any media conglomerate is unwise. Here's a few comments from a few searches on the internet:"In the United States, both the Republican and Democratic Parties, with only a few prominent exceptions, have been and are in the pay of the corporate media and communication giants."[John Nichols and Robert McChesney]"The cost of being presented as a "responsible and serious candidate" by the media [is] usually to show fundamental agreement with the existing distribution of wealth and power."[Michael Lerner, philosopher, psychologist, author]"The media serve the interests of state and corporate power, which are closely interlinked, framing their reporting and analysis in a manner supportive of established privilege and limiting debate and discussion accordingly."[Noam Chomsky, American linguist and US media and foreign policy critic]"The Gulf War ... was made popular by an immense propaganda barrage unleashed by the Pentagon, the media, and government, creating an ideological milieu in which 45 percent of the population said it would be prepared to use nuclear weapons against Iraq. Military actions were, transformed into a grotesque national spectacle, a great celebration of war-making."[Carl Boggs]And recent UK elections have been won by the party supported by Murdoch's empire, proof enough of his already immense power, weilded via his media control. Wed 22 Dec 2010 23:39:37 GMT+1 Billythefirst http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=90#comment840 606. At 2:10pm on 22 Dec 2010, professor plum wrote:Vince the vain has effectively talked himself into the dunces corner. What a wally !------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pickles Osborne Gove Fox and Lansley have been there there for months.....you sure there's space. Wed 22 Dec 2010 23:29:11 GMT+1 Billythefirst http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=90#comment839 735. At 5:29pm on 22 Dec 2010, Kit79 wrote:It is hilarious how biased the BBC is against the coalition.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------I thought Cable was part of the coalition - has he got a part time job with the Beeb as well? Wed 22 Dec 2010 23:24:48 GMT+1 justin de shed http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=90#comment838 The labour party should just sit there and keep its mouth shut, the polls will do the rest.The condoms will destroy themselves, by their very poor handling of everyday events and self-cannibalisation.Cameron has no substace and no common mandate he is looking more and more like a pompous arrogant little schoolboy evey day. Wed 22 Dec 2010 23:24:14 GMT+1 Manfred http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=90#comment837 The reality is that BskyB only exists because people choose to subscribe to it. People do not choose of their own free will to fund the BBC, they are forced to fund it by default via the licence fee, if they want to any television channel from any source whatsoever. I would be more concerned by who controls banking rather who controls a segement of the media."Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws"Mayer Amschel Rothschild [1744-1812] Wed 22 Dec 2010 23:16:13 GMT+1 justin de shed http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=90#comment836 829. At 10:39pm on 22 Dec 2010, DaSilvor wrote:That was a stroke of genius on behalf of the Telegraph. If I remember correctly the Telegraph was one of the news papers who wrote to the Government asking them to stop the purchase. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot._________________________________-Ha Ha, The telegraph did'nt break the story they sat on it.It was the BBC that published it.The telegraph is actually anti Murduck and anti coalition.I think you'll find the Mail is too. Wed 22 Dec 2010 23:13:47 GMT+1 The Man From Utopia http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=90#comment835 I agree with Vince Cable, it is insane to allow so much of our media to be owned by one man, and not even a British man, and I don't blame him for declaring war on Murdoch.Cable has also cottoned-on to what the coalition is all about, and wants out. David Cameron has bought them with a whiff of power, and consequently, they have betrayed their own rank-and-file, and more importantly, the hopes and aspirations of the people that elect them to office. The Lib-Dem voters will desert the party in droves at the next election, and all those Conservative-Liberal marginal constituencies may not look so marginal. Wed 22 Dec 2010 23:11:00 GMT+1 gee4444 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=89#comment834 704. At 4:27pm on 22 Dec 2010, Bill wrote:........ Does anyone not see that the outing of Vince cable now makes it an absolute certainty (if it wasn’t before) that Rupert Murdoch will get what he wants? Think of the row there’d be if he didn’t!What we are witnessing is a carefully orchestrated fix-up, engineered by those who have the power and the technology to create the realities that the rest of us believe in.--------(2nd time lucky?)Bingo! The truth is out. A change of personnel from Cable to someone more acquiescent (Mr Hunt?) to smooth through Murdoch's latest media empire expansion, disguised as a ConDem crisis that'll be forgotten about in a few weeks time.Black is white, white is black.Truth is lies, lies are the truth,Politicians say a lot about which they know nothing, yet say nothing about what they know.When a politician speaks the truth he's publicly denounced.It's a strange, messed up world. Wed 22 Dec 2010 22:53:08 GMT+1 Superlad http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=89#comment833 495. At 11:45am on 22 Dec 2010, Billy wrote:99. At 9:04pm on 21 Dec 2010, Joe wrote:12. At 7:43pm on 21 Dec 2010, Rufus McDufus wrote:New Labour are showing their true colours by showing such blind support for their beloved News Corp.___________________________________New Labour? What are you on about?--------------------Yeah, what are you on about? It was the BBC that broke the story, Labour have been pretty quiet on the issue._____________________Actually it was the Telegraph, which initially obtained the information. Wed 22 Dec 2010 22:50:05 GMT+1 Superlad http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=89#comment832 412. At 10:09am on 22 Dec 2010, David wrote:374. At 09:21am on 22 Dec 2010, sixpackerL wrote:364. At 09:11am on 22 Dec 2010, W Fletcher wrote:99. At 9:04pm on 21 Dec 2010, Joe wrote:12. At 7:43pm on 21 Dec 2010, Rufus McDufus wrote:New Labour are showing their true colours by showing such blind support for their beloved News Corp.___________________________________New Labour? What are you on about?...New Labour - you remember them surely? They were the bunch who bankrupted the UK, destroyed pensions, destroyed education, surrendered to terrorists, took the country into an illegal war, destroyed industry, took sleaze to new depths, gave the Right On PC brigade full reign, destroyed centuries of culture, surrendered to The Greater European Empire......ring any bells????===========================You forgot to mention that they were the ones fully supported by the Tories and Libdems until 2007 when the banking crisis hit home - giving them the golden chance to pin it all on Brown-----------------------------------------------------------------Oh come off it.New Labour had their chance and made a hash of everything, as they always have done, whenever they've been given the chance to run things.Since the WW2 they have always managed to leave a trail of devastation whenever they've been in power.______________________________________________________Like creating a health service (much to the Tories disapproval I might add) which in-time raised the working class life-expectancy, and initiating the rebuild of City structure after the Blitz? Darn Mr Atlee, how dare he help the poor and less fortunate! Wed 22 Dec 2010 22:47:53 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=89#comment831 ref #821 OhKayThen wrote:So it's not acceptable for Vince Cable to have a personal view on Rupert Murdoch. How many Tory MPs have have personal views on, let us say, Bankers, and the use of legal loopholes to avoid paying tax in the UK? Mr Chancellor Osborne, would you like to comment?________________If tony Blair had said something similar about the BBC or George Bush about the NYT how many posters would be howling. Wed 22 Dec 2010 22:44:03 GMT+1 Worcester Man http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=89#comment830 Just as I was despairing of the Lib Dems participation in the coalition Milliband the lesser came to the rescue. By his comments tonight he's obviously after the Murdock seal of approval. Business as usual for Labour then. Wed 22 Dec 2010 22:42:20 GMT+1 Reverend_Timothy_Farthing http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=89#comment829 817. At 9:18pm on 22 Dec 2010, Lucy Clake wrote:The fact that Cameron can't get rid of him makes him appear strong and powerful. Speaking his mind makes voters think he is honestI do not believe it was anything other than a well thought out plot. He may not have known they were reporters but all MP's know that their remarks get to the Press. The minute these two women showed interest in anything other than the housing problem they perported to call about he must have known what he said would go further. So far his plot is working. Cameron has had to keep him, the right wing will be annoyed which will help to split the coalition, many LD's will come out of the woodwork and support him and he will come out of it well. He may have risked giving Murdoch a chance but it is now hard for Hunt to back the tycoon without critism. It's win win for Cable, he's smart57. At 8:28pm on 21 Dec 2010, Lucy Clake wrote:What amazes me is the fact that someone in a position such as Vince Cable can be so stupid. Two women come to his surgery to discuss housing, he starts talking about his position in the Government and Rupert Murdoch, didn't the alarm bells ring with him when they showed the slightest interest. How many other constituents would come with a problem and start coming back with comments about Murdoch? The man must be either stupid or naive and it's worrying to think that he is holding the position of business secretary. It seems he can be coaxed into giving secrets away to a couple of young women, do we really want this sort of idiot in power. Wed 22 Dec 2010 22:39:23 GMT+1 Dave Cook http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=89#comment828 That was a stroke of genius on behalf of the Telegraph. If I remember correctly the Telegraph was one of the news papers who wrote to the Government asking them to stop the purchase. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.As for the opportunists called The Labour Party, well.. If I put here what I thought of them, this post would be blocked right quick. Wed 22 Dec 2010 22:39:22 GMT+1 ciconia http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/vince_cable_comments_your_reac.html?page=89#comment827 Quite shamefull really.All this showing off in public by the Libdem spoilt brats who have now realised that the real world is a bit different when you're in government.Shouldn't they be joining their Labour colleagues in mourning for dead Mr Ed? Wed 22 Dec 2010 22:38:39 GMT+1