Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html en-gb 30 Thu 17 Apr 2014 15:29:56 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html U14724713 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=99#comment269 It seems the truest analysis of Berlesconi's political career and his future has been resigned to 'other news' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12022835 Mon 20 Dec 2010 09:25:00 GMT+1 DibbySpot http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=99#comment268 As for all of us death. However, the comedian of the European political ciruit will probably have more fun before he leaves!!European leaders should be grateful for despite their own incompetence Silvio makes them look good. Mon 20 Dec 2010 08:50:41 GMT+1 Eagle Eye http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=98#comment267 It's overdue that the Italians usher Berlusconi out of political life. The earlier the better for Italian image as well as the good of the country. He will soon turn politics to a horse-trading arena, if it is not already one ( don't know ). Sun 19 Dec 2010 12:05:46 GMT+1 MrsPisaroni http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=98#comment266 If Verdi was alive he would already be writing an opera about Silvio. He is a legend! Viva Silvio keep on keeping us entertained. Sun 19 Dec 2010 10:13:32 GMT+1 Enny2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=98#comment265 The future for Berlusconi is none of our business.But if you really want to know, Berlusconi will retire into his mansion and reiminiscence on the good old days and laughs. Sat 18 Dec 2010 15:21:03 GMT+1 amp46 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=97#comment264 Surely its a matter of who HE will hold? Sat 18 Dec 2010 12:31:57 GMT+1 stevegrant http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=97#comment263 Over here they would say the man was a utter disgrace and the press be demanding his head on a platter but obviously there is something about him the Italians like-cant think what but it could have something to do with "better the devil you know than the devil you dont"-and just hiding in the shadows of italian politics there are many devils most connected to the mafia.Italy is virtually bankrupt along with the rest of europe so I shouldnt think it matters which clown is in charge,its out of his hands anyway. Sat 18 Dec 2010 12:22:28 GMT+1 ExLibrarian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=97#comment262 Msg 251. At 1:26pm on 17 Dec 2010, matt-stone wrote:What do young delectables find in such an old decrepit billionaire like him, I just don't know.An enormously large... - wallet? Sat 18 Dec 2010 12:07:25 GMT+1 3rensho http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=96#comment261 As long as he keeps his billions and a liter jar of Viagra I'd say he's gonna have himself a grand old time. Sat 18 Dec 2010 07:05:59 GMT+1 This is a colleague announcement http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=96#comment260 Finalmente la morte. Come per tutti. Sat 18 Dec 2010 01:03:54 GMT+1 John Campbell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=95#comment259 The same future facing all of us.Unless he,and this website,know more than we do? Fri 17 Dec 2010 19:36:42 GMT+1 maxine_maxine http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=95#comment258 This post has been Removed Fri 17 Dec 2010 19:24:55 GMT+1 Alasdair Campbell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=95#comment257 I am happy to leave it to the Italians to decide. Fri 17 Dec 2010 18:52:17 GMT+1 Owain Glyndwr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=94#comment256 Definitely an italian future. Fri 17 Dec 2010 18:48:55 GMT+1 maxine_maxine http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=94#comment255 This post has been Removed Fri 17 Dec 2010 18:35:22 GMT+1 jabbajockey http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=94#comment254 Fantastic---as usual. But don't ask why---well, cencorship forbids the truth on here. Fri 17 Dec 2010 15:49:58 GMT+1 maxine_maxine http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=93#comment253 This post has been Removed Fri 17 Dec 2010 15:44:24 GMT+1 WiseOldBob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=93#comment252 3. At 1:13pm on 14 Dec 2010, scotty1694 wrote:"how about some relevant topics please?. . .and in a few days you come up with x factor, american diplomat and then expect UK people to be able to discuss italy's future?"Give 'em a chance: they have asked us what we think Larry King's legacy will be. . .Silvio's been in and out of office since 1994 and I suppose personally owning all the media and football teams gives him a certain leverage with the Italian people. He must occasionally look North to the UK (if he knows where that is and smile through the botox at the succession of Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron selling our country further and further down the river while he's pretty much managed it single-handedly for Italy. Fri 17 Dec 2010 15:18:23 GMT+1 hildasreject http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=92#comment251 his hi related to sett blatter? Fri 17 Dec 2010 13:26:37 GMT+1 matt-stone http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=92#comment250 You got to give it to him for his sense of fun. Let's just hope he doesn't start his own Sodom, that biblical city of ill-repute. What do young delectables find in such an old decrepit billionaire like him, I just don't know. The mind boggles, eh?? Lets wait for when WikiLeaks reveal his private mutterings, those really are something to look forward to !! I wonder what he calls our Prime Minister? or even our Queen for that matter??...Soto voce !! Fri 17 Dec 2010 13:26:11 GMT+1 mike ivybridge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=92#comment249 Having a secure a stable government seems to be totally unacceptable to the Italian electorate. Fri 17 Dec 2010 13:17:10 GMT+1 Neil Probert http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=91#comment248 One poster rightly stated that Italy functions perfectly well without government. I've lived here for 12 years and take little interest in the political scene. My favourite Berlusconi anecdote is a national election poster with a huge mugshot of Silvio subtitled 'we promise to put a policeman on every Italian street corner' to which someone added in spraypaint '...and they still haven't found you'. Fri 17 Dec 2010 12:31:10 GMT+1 SSnotbanned http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=91#comment247 (a) wink. Fri 17 Dec 2010 12:30:34 GMT+1 SSnotbanned http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=91#comment246 ????''I'm a Celebrity, Get Me In There... '' ?? Fri 17 Dec 2010 12:29:34 GMT+1 George http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=90#comment245 This post has been Removed Fri 17 Dec 2010 10:49:08 GMT+1 Ghost1972 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=90#comment244 What does the future hold for the "Italian stallion" more party's more girls, and more hair stitched into his old bonce....Although, those girls..............lucky swine!!As for the other side of the man, the media monster.Hell I`m glad I`m not an Italian, their parliament is a circus, does he own a bakery? panem et circenses? Thu 16 Dec 2010 22:43:38 GMT+1 Casitian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=90#comment243 who knows?we need more of his like....... Thu 16 Dec 2010 19:43:25 GMT+1 ExLibrarian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=89#comment242 Msg 173. At 10:38am on 15 Dec 2010, Kadazan wrote:The Italians love a womaniser, that's the long and short of it. It's a macho image that all Italian men aspire to and women fall for, even intelligent, sophisticated women. As Berlusconi has demonstrably shown, it's got nothing to do with politics!OK, I'll try this again with some amendments to avoid breaking the house rules.It's been a couple of years since I managed to get to Italy and he's not as popular now as he was then. But we need to remember that his ratings have been consistently well over 50% for years (UK PMs dream on) until recently.I think that there's an element of truth in what you say, but I sometimes think that Italians - and the Italian media - really just don't care about the womanising, infidelity etc. But they do mind his attempts to extend the immunity from prosecution he currently enjoys as PM to his life after politics. A bit of mild lawbreaking - cheating the government/taxman etc., is seen as almost a hobby in Italy, but most Italians of my acquaintance adopt the "It's a fair cop" attitude towards getting caught - after a few histrionics of course. And they believe that everyone - including ex PMs - need to take the medicine if they're caught doing something they shouldn't.It's only in Britain that the press - and the population - appear to be obsessed by politicians' bedroom activities. I remember the outraged reactions in the UK media a few years ago when the Greek PM of the day was reportedly sexually misbehaving. The Greek media virtually ignored it and Greeks interviewed by the BBC etc., shrugged their shoulders and basically said "So what - haven't you got something important to report." I have to say I agree with them. I don't really care what my MP gets up to in his private life - none of my business as long as he doesn't use my money to do it. Thu 16 Dec 2010 19:24:57 GMT+1 Justin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=89#comment241 I had my last comment rejected by HYS, maybe I was too blunt (but not rude), let me rephrase for the HYS boardWhat does the future hold for Berlusconi?Probably more young ladies and .......What is the point of trying to have your say when you have to conform to having your say the BBC way, fine remove any swearing etc (if any present)We will soon be brainwashed like the Borg from Star Trek and have to have collective thinking LOL..... Thu 16 Dec 2010 18:34:30 GMT+1 Globalist80 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=88#comment240 Italians shrug and go on with their lives,YThe great classic Italian movies with Maestriaoni ,Giancarlo Gianni and Begni brought laughter and a capacity to observe the absurdity of the human condition and be refreshed. Berlesconi ,foolish about woman but a welcome relief from the faux piety exhibitwed by many poiticians.Keep it up Silvio,Woops ! Thu 16 Dec 2010 18:25:08 GMT+1 Globalist80 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=88#comment239 Future ? Ultimately, E.D. no bunga ,bunga but fond memories and mangia ,mangia. A glass of vino will sweeten his reveries Thu 16 Dec 2010 17:54:27 GMT+1 Justin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=88#comment238 This post has been Removed Thu 16 Dec 2010 17:45:46 GMT+1 spinusthetruth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=87#comment237 More young ladies? Thu 16 Dec 2010 17:29:00 GMT+1 rjaggar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=87#comment236 This post has been Removed Thu 16 Dec 2010 16:52:07 GMT+1 D G Cullum http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=87#comment235 What future he is an old man in his second childhood never stopped being a narcissistic ships entertainer still playing the cruise ships he fear not being on show and the need to sleep with young does not prove he has pulling power just money and the door into Italian society he will be there as long as his backers wish making a show off himself but Sarkozy in another one and Blair men without taste mothers boys. Thu 16 Dec 2010 16:10:41 GMT+1 bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=86#comment234 This post has been Removed Thu 16 Dec 2010 15:58:58 GMT+1 Hastings http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=86#comment233 Paul J Weighell wrote:Of what relevance to the UK is Italy?####We import huge amount of food stuff and other goods from there and export a lot too.We have a very large Italian population here that pays UK taxes.We regularly count on Italian support for global initiatives that effect out country.We are both in Europe (not talking about the EU) so their health as a nation has a direct baring on out country.We have a growing Roman Catholic population who's papal head happens to be based within the Italian borders.You want more???? Thu 16 Dec 2010 15:58:00 GMT+1 Paul J Weighell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=85#comment232 Of what relevance to the UK is Italy? We have no vote in their politics so comments are pointless.HYS is currently stuffed full of irrelevant items about foreign politicians. Why? Are there not enough messes caused by UK politicians, past and present? Thu 16 Dec 2010 15:24:04 GMT+1 leoRoverman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=85#comment231 The current Italian politics are very reminiscent of Roman politics and are very much a result of the American backing bthe Mafia to win the war in Europe. Berlusconi obviously has the money to activate the vote and he must be a supremely cynically motivated politician- perhaps the 21 Century equivalent of Machiavelli. What will happen- perhaps he'll be assasinated or perhaps he will recross the Rubicon and turn Italy into a dictatorship again. Thu 16 Dec 2010 14:53:57 GMT+1 U14696184 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=85#comment230 209. At 5:12pm on 15 Dec 2010, ian cheese wrote:203. At 2:26pm on 15 Dec 2010, The Ghosts of John Galt wrote:Does Berlusconi OWN the BBC as well?----------Er, backhanders more like.----------I wondered how the BBC mods were able to afford the champagne, truffles and oysters delivered daily to their offices and marked 'A present from Italy'. ;-) Thu 16 Dec 2010 13:14:49 GMT+1 Tony Harrison2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=84#comment229 He is like an obscene burlesque of Rupert Murdoch, George W Bush and Ronald McDonald rolled into one.The praise for him on here is sickening. Thu 16 Dec 2010 12:49:01 GMT+1 U14696184 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=84#comment228 What does the future hold for Berlusconi? Lots more wine, women and song. Thu 16 Dec 2010 12:19:05 GMT+1 Euro Sceptic http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=84#comment227 Sleaze wins votes - Billy Clinton Mr Sleaze himself still loved by the Yanks, Silvio - a porn star politician gets the Italians votes, Bliar - sleazy for other reasons, loved by the public sector and layabouts. Thu 16 Dec 2010 11:07:27 GMT+1 The Bloke http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=83#comment226 //221. At 07:25am on 16 Dec 2010, Cronkist wrote:He is the perfect role model for any true-blue Tory.//That's bit of a laugh, isn't it, after the years of Labour sleaze (which admittedly followed years of Tory sleaze..)But Labour took it to a whole new level, with mass cronyism, a public sector infested with overpaid do-nothing quangocrats. In our system, you don't actually need to be 'corrupt', technically speaking. You just get yourself a 'job' in a quango or local government management, do nothing, and get paid a fortune anyway. Thu 16 Dec 2010 10:59:19 GMT+1 Johnnybgood http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=83#comment225 MP`s PM`s are the same the world over. I`d rather sleep in a cage of hungry lions than trust ANY of them. Thu 16 Dec 2010 09:44:50 GMT+1 The Bloke http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=82#comment224 //203. At 2:26pm on 15 Dec 2010, The Ghosts of John Galt wrote:Does Berlusconi OWN the BBC as well? //If he does, it's a very poor investment from his point of view.The BBC has a phenonemonally Litte Englander approach to European news, so it barely reports on Italy or the rest of Europe at all. Compare and contrast to its slavish, tedious over-coverage of the US.But when it does report on Italy, it is highly critical of Berlusconi. In fairness, it's not easy to be massively positive about him.That being said, the BBC's coverage is, as all too often, slanted in favour of its own agenda. The BBC supported Berlusconi's rival, Prodi, because of Iraq.Prodi turned out to be an utter disaster, and didn't last long. But the BBC still has it in for Berlusconi. It is easy to focus on his 'questionable ethics' and policy failures - but the BBC forgets that Italian politics has been riddled with corruption that makes our MPs' expenses scandal look rather trivial. And Italy was always famed for its highly damaging political instability.If the BBC stopped lying by omission, and to suit its agenda, it might give a truer picture, and not be so baffled by the fact that Berlusconi survives. And the fact is, he does so because bad though he is, he is not so stand-out bad compared to the other politicians and parties on offer. Thu 16 Dec 2010 09:21:26 GMT+1 Chris http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=82#comment223 The future: More teenage girls, more verbal gaffs and more money. Tough life!! Thu 16 Dec 2010 08:39:13 GMT+1 Miss Ann Thrope http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=82#comment222 201. At 2:10pm on 15 Dec 2010, Mr Cholmondley-Warner wrote:185. At 11:38am on 15 Dec 2010, Kentucker wrote:My posts were removed, ostensibly because, I sense, that I applauded and aluded to the fact that Berlusconi was a heterosexual mans man who loved women and wasted little time in criticising other liberal alternatives. Draw your own conclusions.-----------------------------------------------------------------------How terribly sinister. I wonder what conclusion you drew when your next post, saying pretty much the same thing, got through without any problems. Presumably that you had struck another blow in the heroic struggle against the forces of evil (BBC HYS moderators being at the forefront thereof). Keep us "posted".-----Oh my, this made me laugh. Describes the paranoia of the HYS crowd perfectly. Probably explains their support of Berlusconi, whether he is fit to run a country or not doesn't matter to them as long as he isn't a member of 'THE LOONY LEFT THAT KILLED YOUR DOG AND YOUR WIFE'. Thu 16 Dec 2010 08:29:50 GMT+1 Dave http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=81#comment221 210. At 5:24pm on 15 Dec 2010, Harwode Magna wrote:Would it be in order to observe, that such a man would not be considered fit for high public office in the United Kingdom?------------------Mandelson, Prescott et al.We have our own dubious characters, they are just a bit more circumspect about what they get up to. Thu 16 Dec 2010 07:53:47 GMT+1 Cronkist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=81#comment220 He is the perfect role model for any true-blue Tory. Thu 16 Dec 2010 07:25:22 GMT+1 JDavisabc http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=81#comment219 A victory for democracy, which is exactly why I dislike it so much. It attracts all the rotten apples. All of the lazy fat sluggards and their likes. Thu 16 Dec 2010 06:28:57 GMT+1 S C MEHTA http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=80#comment218 His days, in his political life, are numbered; nevertheless, the same cannot be said about his private life. Thu 16 Dec 2010 06:14:40 GMT+1 David Windsor http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=80#comment217 Does anybody care?He is clearly just doing exactly what he wants, whenever, without any thoughts of office or dignity. But the Italians clearly don't care; he's no threat to anyone else. So why bother? Thu 16 Dec 2010 01:57:16 GMT+1 Superlad http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=80#comment216 75. At 5:37pm on 14 Dec 2010, Dai the Tie wrote:What does the future hold for Berlusconi?Don't know and to be quite honest, don't care either. Why not ban him from entering Great Britain, as well?_______________________________________________I don't think he'd care really, women in Italy are for more attractive on the whole, why leave?! Wed 15 Dec 2010 23:19:36 GMT+1 Aneeta Trikk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=79#comment215 The people of Greece, Spain and Italy feel their lives at crisis point, mass strikes and riots on the streets, and the BBC asks about the future of one of the feckless people responsible for their turmoil. Why not ask why these people are not behind bars instead of Julian Assange?Or is the BBC a part of the conspiracy to make the blameless pay for the faults of the greedy? We know who the villains are and there is no hiding place. Let them all seek justice in our courts as we would have to do. But do not ask us what we would have them do. Wed 15 Dec 2010 20:48:40 GMT+1 reflector2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=79#comment214 Who cares? Bit like asking what does the future hold for Cuger Brant! Wed 15 Dec 2010 20:47:52 GMT+1 Sick_of_Layabouts http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=78#comment213 This post has been Removed Wed 15 Dec 2010 19:06:25 GMT+1 Andrew http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=78#comment212 Its a sad indictment on humanity that despite lessons of the 1930s (strong leaders for difficult economic times) , the Iraq war disaster (Berlusconi supported the invasion of Iraq) and the credit crunch (Berlusconi is a free marketeer, supporter of de-regulation) there are still enough fools to keep this sweet talking dubious character in power Wed 15 Dec 2010 18:45:32 GMT+1 Mr Wonderful http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=78#comment211 What does the future hold for Berlusconi?The only certainties are death and taxes, but in Berlusconi's case, probably just the former. Wed 15 Dec 2010 18:09:54 GMT+1 SSnotbanned http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=77#comment210 what does the future hold for Berlusconi ?/...more knockers I'd imagine.And a parting in the last of the summer whine.no seriously, the last time i was in Venice nobody had a bad word to say about him. so i think there will be a place in the Sistine Chapel for him.shame about the earthquake though. Wed 15 Dec 2010 17:43:13 GMT+1 tardigrade http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=77#comment209 You ask your contributors to comment upon the Prime Minister of Italy, and then censor an incredibly high proportion of their responses, presumably because they have been rather frank about his somewhat dubious character.Would it be in order to observe, that such a man would not be considered fit for high public office in the United Kingdom? Wed 15 Dec 2010 17:24:41 GMT+1 ian cheese http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=77#comment208 203. At 2:26pm on 15 Dec 2010, The Ghosts of John Galt wrote:Does Berlusconi OWN the BBC as well? ----------Er, backhanders more like. Wed 15 Dec 2010 17:12:08 GMT+1 Talador http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=76#comment207 Silvio will hang around for years to come I suspect. The one nagging annoyance that you want rid of for the trouble caused, but dinnae have the heart to. And his private life is his own, unless they affect his ability (or lack of) to rule, then it should be irrelevent. Politicians are human, just like the rest of us, and have needs and desires, just like the rest of us. Sure, politicians are meant to hold themselves to a higher standard, but they are only human. Wed 15 Dec 2010 17:02:07 GMT+1 Leviticus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=76#comment206 201. At 2:10pm on 15 Dec 2010, Mr Cholmondley-Warner wroteHow terribly sinister. I wonder what conclusion you drew when your next post, saying pretty much the same thing, got through without any problems. Presumably that you had struck another blow in the heroic struggle against the forces of evil (BBC HYS moderators being at the forefront thereof). Keep us "posted"./////////////////Appreciate the encouraging sarcasm and interest. Having edited copy it must have slipped under the RADAR. Will continue to monitor said dark forces of PC at work.Because as you say in another post ..........' the passing of time invariably reveals the complex machinations of government and the extent to whcih people are misled and kept in the dark. To imagine that the same is not happening right here right now strikes me as naive in the extreme '. You are obviously a man with his finger on the pulse of these matters and not easily fooled!We will all look to you for guidance. Wed 15 Dec 2010 16:14:33 GMT+1 telecasterdave http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=75#comment205 More girls, more parties, more champagne.....Ciao Wed 15 Dec 2010 15:49:26 GMT+1 Desmond http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=75#comment204 #204I am also suspicious of the allegations aginst him, but it is tempered somewhat by the fact they are requiring him to put up so much bail for his release, which suggests to me they think they have a stronger prima facie case against him than they are letting on in public.I don't see them throwing any old slapdash case against him and hoping it sticks, because if it fails they are only going to increase his notoriety still further, and look like fools in the process.What you say about governments keeping secrets from each other and the general population can just as easily apply to governments down through history.It is just because of the internet revolution we are much aware of it. Wed 15 Dec 2010 15:23:26 GMT+1 Mr Cholmondley-Warner http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=75#comment203 202. At 2:25pm on 15 Dec 2010, Desmond wrote:That argument works both ways, what makes you so certain in 30 years time he will be vindicated, are you a psycic?.Just because a guy reveals diplomatic tattle-tale, it doesn't automatically make him a latter-day prophet or the second coming of the messiahYou say others have their minds already made up on Wikileaks, but you also appear to have your mind made up.-----------------------------------------------------------------------While I'm no more certain of the truth than anyone else, I'm deeply suspicious of the timing of the allegations against Assange, given the outpouring of anger against him and his organisation's activities from our lords and masters across the globe.My more general point was that the passing of time invariably reveals the complex machinations of government and the extent to whcih people are misled and kept in the dark. To imagine that the same is not happening right here right now strikes me as naive in the extreme. Wed 15 Dec 2010 14:42:06 GMT+1 The Ghosts of John Galt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=74#comment202 Does Berlusconi OWN the BBC as well? Wed 15 Dec 2010 14:26:32 GMT+1 Desmond http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=74#comment201 . At 1:46pm on 15 Dec 2010, Mr Cholmondley-Warner wrote:What proof could be produced that you would ever believe ? Your mind is made up. Assange is not a PROPER politician, and Wikileals is not a legitimate "company". Apparently you need "elections" to be one of those.If only everyone were like you, and happily believed all they were told by those in positions of power. Then in 30 years time, when the Officail Secrets Act finally reveals the truth, you can feign amazement, condemn the governments of the past but sleep easy in the knowledge that nothing untoward could ever happen in the present.--------------------------------------------------------That argument works both ways, what makes you so certain in 30 years time he will be vindicated, are you a psycic?.Just because a guy reveals diplomatic tattle-tale, it doesn't automatically make him a latter-day prophet or the second coming of the messiahYou say others have their minds already made up on Wikileaks, but you also appear to have your mind made up.I'm fairly sure a covert investigation has already been launched into Wikileaks to see if they are utilising illegal computer hacking to break into sensitive government databases, to steal information to 'leak' on the internet. Wed 15 Dec 2010 14:25:44 GMT+1 Mr Cholmondley-Warner http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=74#comment200 185. At 11:38am on 15 Dec 2010, Kentucker wrote:My posts were removed, ostensibly because, I sense, that I applauded and aluded to the fact that Berlusconi was a heterosexual mans man who loved women and wasted little time in criticising other liberal alternatives. Draw your own conclusions.-----------------------------------------------------------------------How terribly sinister. I wonder what conclusion you drew when your next post, saying pretty much the same thing, got through without any problems. Presumably that you had struck another blow in the heroic struggle against the forces of evil (BBC HYS moderators being at the forefront thereof). Keep us "posted". Wed 15 Dec 2010 14:10:29 GMT+1 1L19 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=73#comment199 185. At 11:38am on 15 Dec 2010, Kentucker wrote:178. At 11:05am on 15 Dec 2010, DoleBoy wroteMy suggestion about expressing frustration here on the BBC HYS as being fairly pointless and perhaps energy could be spent doing something active elsewhere was obviously meant!//////////////I agree, especially in the face of nonsensical and arbitrary PC BBC moderation.My posts were removed, ostensibly because, I sense, that I applauded and aluded to the fact that Berlusconi was a heterosexual mans man who loved women and wasted little time in criticising other liberal alternatives. Draw your own conclusions.................................My posts have been removed because I said he was a .............. and part of the...................It would appear the moderators are all over the gaff with this one! Wed 15 Dec 2010 14:02:52 GMT+1 panchopablo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=73#comment198 Is it any of are business?.Maybe we should keep out of other countries affairs,a bit like how people say America should. Wed 15 Dec 2010 13:59:37 GMT+1 Francesco Neri http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=72#comment197 It is unquestionably true that Mr. Berlusconi is the real protagonist of the Italian political scene. In fact, not only did he manage to politically detroyed all his opponents, but he also created a sort of philosophy that we could call "Berlusconismo" to which thousands of people are strongly addicted. In fact, to me, it is completely unexplainable how most people cannot realize how many damages he caused to our Country. He created the worst all-time hangers-on politics where there is no space for prepared and well-educated people. But what it is worse is that there is not currently a valid alternative to him because all his political opponets have always attacked him on trivial and private matters rather than on concrete and more urgent problems and doing this they ended up strengthening him.Unfortunately, all our current political class is the worst remnant of Tangentopoli and Mr. Berlusconi himself is Craxi's best disciple. Wed 15 Dec 2010 13:48:34 GMT+1 Mr Cholmondley-Warner http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=72#comment196 190. At 12:28pm on 15 Dec 2010, Hastings wrote:I would love to see the amazing proof that there is a conspiracy going on. Oh, those emails have not been found???Then the rest of us can happily get on with the rest of our lives and worry about the PROPER politicians of this world like Berlusconi and whether they should be voted in or out.Note: anyone notice that most the so-called anarchists at wikileaks and their sad little friends are completely unelected, unaccountable and mostly go around with silly "handles" and wont even stand up and be recognised? And yet they feel they are right to attack legitimate companies, other organisations and even blogs simply because they disagree with them.----------------------------------------------------------------------What proof could be produced that you would ever believe ? Your mind is made up. Assange is not a PROPER politician, and Wikileals is not a legitimate "company". Apparently you need "elections" to be one of those.If only everyone were like you, and happily believed all they were told by those in positions of power. Then in 30 years time, when the Officail Secrets Act finally reveals the truth, you can feign amazement, condemn the governments of the past but sleep easy in the knowledge that nothing untoward could ever happen in the present. Wed 15 Dec 2010 13:46:02 GMT+1 The Ghosts of John Galt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=72#comment195 This post has been Removed Wed 15 Dec 2010 13:43:02 GMT+1 matt-stone http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=71#comment194 What does this say about italians to have an immoral character like this as their leader. Hardly an example for young people to follow. Wed 15 Dec 2010 13:41:25 GMT+1 Dave http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=71#comment193 What does the future hold? Bare with me why i check the augeries....(some time passes)...I see that Silvio needs to beware on the 15th March!-------Well its a stupid question, isnt it. Wed 15 Dec 2010 13:40:08 GMT+1 Billy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=71#comment192 Lots of promiscuous young women and gaffes that would make the Duke of Edinburgh blush. Wed 15 Dec 2010 13:02:22 GMT+1 Ralphie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=70#comment191 This post has been Removed Wed 15 Dec 2010 12:42:02 GMT+1 Leviticus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=70#comment190 173. At 10:38am on 15 Dec 2010, Kadazan wrote:The Italians love a womaniser, that's the long and short of it. It's a macho image that all Italian men aspire to and women fall for, even intelligent, sophisticated women. As Berlusconi has demonstrably shown, it's got nothing to do with politics!//////////////And in spite of Harriet Harman viva la difference and long may it be so.She doesn't know what she's missing. Wed 15 Dec 2010 12:30:14 GMT+1 Hastings http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=70#comment189 153. At 07:50am on 15 Dec 2010, Syni_cal wroteWhy does the BBC not consider the stitch up of Julian Assange by British, Swedish & US politicians worthy of a debate?/////////////////////Kentucker wrote:Stitch up? Isn't he wanted for alleged rape and sexual assault; or should we just ignore that? #######Quite agree.I would love to see the amazing proof that there is a conspiracy going on. Oh, those emails have not been found???The best thing would be for him to be shipped over to Sweden ASAP and to either face charges or to be cleared.Then the rest of us can happily get on with the rest of our lives and worry about the PROPER politicians of this world like Berlusconi and whether they should be voted in or out.Note: anyone notice that most the so-called anarchists at wikileaks and their sad little friends are completely unelected, unaccountable and mostly go around with silly "handles" and wont even stand up and be recognised? And yet they feel they are right to attack legitimate companies, other organisations and even blogs simply because they disagree with them. Wed 15 Dec 2010 12:28:32 GMT+1 Leviticus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=69#comment188 I love the way he sticks it to the lefties, the liberals and those of the alternative lifestyle politics. A heterosexual mans man and proud of it. I like the Italians, lovely warm people, such style, wonderful opera and pasta. Italian politics chaotic? Ours isn't of course. Wed 15 Dec 2010 11:53:13 GMT+1 Pancha Chandra http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=69#comment187 Mr Berlusconi is walking a political tight-rope. How long will he survive? Maybe fresh elections could garner more support for the embattled Italian leader! In the same breath one asks whether it is time for change: new and honest leaders with fresh mandates. There is growing unease in the country with Berlusconi's budget plans in disarray and hordes of demonstrators showing their discontent in public demonstrations. But never write off Mr Berlusconi: he has survival instincts and has the power to come through however difficult the situation! Wed 15 Dec 2010 11:52:32 GMT+1 moriaeencomium http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=68#comment186 Mr. Berlusconi earned blow in the face, with gothic cathedral… remarkable event, it must had been a tipping point of a sort. But honestly, can you smell it? The stench? That odor which occupies the streets of Napoli and Palermo? That is the stench of falling empire, those cities are rotting in garbage for years and years and administrate is incapable to deal with it, to take care of basic communal service.Crumbling Pompeii, restorations and orgies for impotent… I'd say that Italians will be better off.., after the fall. Wed 15 Dec 2010 11:43:18 GMT+1 1L19 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=68#comment185 This post has been Removed Wed 15 Dec 2010 11:41:21 GMT+1 Leviticus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=68#comment184 178. At 11:05am on 15 Dec 2010, DoleBoy wroteMy suggestion about expressing frustration here on the BBC HYS as being fairly pointless and perhaps energy could be spent doing something active elsewhere was obviously meant!//////////////I agree, especially in the face of nonsensical and arbitrary PC BBC moderation.My posts were removed, ostensibly because, I sense, that I applauded and aluded to the fact that Berlusconi was a heterosexual mans man who loved women and wasted little time in criticising other liberal alternatives. Draw your own conclusions. Wed 15 Dec 2010 11:38:07 GMT+1 roadburner http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=67#comment183 This post has been Removed Wed 15 Dec 2010 11:27:40 GMT+1 Leviticus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=67#comment182 This post has been Removed Wed 15 Dec 2010 11:26:49 GMT+1 ExLibrarian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=67#comment181 This post has been Removed Wed 15 Dec 2010 11:19:57 GMT+1 wiltshirerob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=66#comment180 This post has been Removed Wed 15 Dec 2010 11:17:07 GMT+1 1L19 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=66#comment179 This post has been Removed Wed 15 Dec 2010 11:16:02 GMT+1 Confuciousfred http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=65#comment178 When he is ready, retirement with plenty of wonga !!! Wed 15 Dec 2010 11:09:31 GMT+1 1L19 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=65#comment177 161. At 09:07am on 15 Dec 2010, Syni_cal wrote:158. At 08:45am on 15 Dec 2010, DoleBoy wrote:Maybe the cynics of HYS subject material need to join the dots a bit more! I have never seen this forum as a place to instigate change rather its just a place for a good old moan and share a few crazy idea. If you are looking to be actively involved in changing things I would suggest going elsewhere. Try this...........-------------------------------------------------------------------------Mmmmmmmmmmmm I see, if I don't like your opinions then don't be here. Very democratic, almost like kettling but without any physical discomfort. But what if your crazy ideas aren't as cool as you think they are?.......................................................Yeah Syni_cal , that’s a great example of twisting a comment into something totally different. As for democracy , why not explain then what you think it is! Or just try reading the comment again. “Maybe the cynics of HYS subject material need to join the dots a bit more!” I was commenting/criticising on how quite a number of people were dissatisfied with the recent subjects as not being of particular relevance to themselves, a worthy observation I felt. Why is the subject of Berlusconi, Holbrooke, Xiaobo and Middle East peace talks crisis subjects that don’t concern “us”!? Why is suggesting that these subjects are about me saying leave this forum? Your opinion, bonkers, about HYS is not the same as an opinion about the subject material on here. Obviously if this forum was irritating me so much I would not be here wasting my time. My suggestion about expressing frustration here on the BBC HYS as being fairly pointless and perhaps energy could be spent doing something active elsewhere was obviously meant! Wed 15 Dec 2010 11:05:28 GMT+1 Leviticus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=65#comment176 This post has been Removed Wed 15 Dec 2010 11:04:15 GMT+1 Leviticus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=64#comment175 This post has been Removed Wed 15 Dec 2010 10:52:32 GMT+1 ian cheese http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=64#comment174 Perhaps the Queen should invite him for a Sate visit to help him along. Wed 15 Dec 2010 10:41:58 GMT+1 ian cheese http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=64#comment173 This post has been Removed Wed 15 Dec 2010 10:40:27 GMT+1 Kadazan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=63#comment172 The Italians love a womaniser, that's the long and short of it. It's a macho image that all Italian men aspire to and women fall for, even intelligent, sophisticated women. As Berlusconi has demonstrably shown, it's got nothing to do with politics! Wed 15 Dec 2010 10:38:58 GMT+1 europhile http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=63#comment171 Not very much I hope, the man is a total embarrasment to the Italian people. Wed 15 Dec 2010 10:36:52 GMT+1 The Ghosts of John Galt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/12/what_does_the_future_hold_for.html?page=62#comment170 Ok BBC everything is nice and fluffy - all is good, our government are benevolent! Berlusconi is just a poor misunderstood champion of democracy, freedom and the American Dream...ALL Italians LOVE him - and support him completely - He is such a great chap - virtuous and pure as snow - a morally upright character without fault - a vision of perfection - a beautiful creature - a modern day anti-fascist hero that all can believe in!Three cheers for Berlusconi - Wed 15 Dec 2010 10:27:26 GMT+1