Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html en-gb 30 Sat 18 Apr 2015 15:31:26 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html HalfPint http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=99#comment136 I don't understand how someone can become THAT rich!!!!!! It's obscene that someone can earn billions in such a short space of time whilst there are children in your own country living in extreme poverty. You must have screwed over a lot of people to earn amounts like that - whether it's grossly over charging for your products or underpaying others - someone is losing out somewhere along the line. It's laughable that countries such as ours and the US claim to be in a 'recession' when they have inhabitants sitting with billions in the bank floating round the system. Tue 19 Oct 2010 12:47:14 GMT+1 Graham http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=98#comment135 128. At 11:49am on 19 Oct 2010, sixpackerL wrote:126. At 11:33am on 19 Oct 2010, MellorSJ wrote:Graham wrote: "Another HYS topic where the losers in our society can berate those willing to help others. The mind boggles at these deranged and jealous dole queue boo-boys. Are you all sitting in your local library using a building that was probably donated by philanthropists last century?"I doubt it. More likely they are sitting at home, paid for by the taxpayer, with nothing better to do than complain about how done by they are with more cash on hand than their neighbour who worked for it.===================================And here's me thinking you two are a couple of fat capitalist exploiters sitting in the local Conservative club after one too many scotches...-------------------I take it that sixpackerL refers to the "brew" that you buy from the local supermarket place rather than your stomach muscles. Never had a sixpack of "brew" myself but I had a half case of Domaine Romanée-Conti once - damned expensive but worth it. One just needs something to relieve the pressure of another day of exploitation of the masses, after all I am working for a cause. I want to give all my easily earned dosh to poor drug addicts and unemployed people. In the meantime MellorsSJ and myself will make another couple of million for all of you simply by sitting here drinking fine scotch in the company of our fellow philanthropist billionaire mates. Tue 19 Oct 2010 12:03:57 GMT+1 Graham http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=97#comment134 130. At 12:09pm on 19 Oct 2010, General_Jack_Ripper wrote:Luke 21:1-4The Widow's Offering As he looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. "I tell you the truth," he said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others. All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on."--------------------------------------Now all the "poor widows" are looking for charity because they are skint. The moral of this story is look after yourself until you can afford to give to others otherwise shut up and accept the gifts gratefuly. Tue 19 Oct 2010 11:43:11 GMT+1 Gary Partis http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=97#comment133 " 81. At 10:09pm on 18 Oct 2010, likas_kid wrote:.....You can do just as much with $10 as with 17bn. "________________________________________________________Oh dear again... I knew some people had problems with big numbers, but this guy can't even handle 2 digits!I think we need to pour more money into education.... Tue 19 Oct 2010 11:37:32 GMT+1 MzIsis http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=96#comment132 Neely Fuller said it best... Until you understand the SYSTEM of racism white supremacy what it is and how it works everything you think you know will only confuse you! My question, "Do Europeans ever get tired of the white savior story?" What have they saved? Tue 19 Oct 2010 11:34:02 GMT+1 Gary Partis http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=95#comment131 " 9. At 1:32pm on 18 Oct 2010, leslog wrote:I CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY SOME INDIVIDUALS ARE ALLOWED TO ACCUMULATE TELEPHONE NUMBER FIGURES IN THE FIRST PLACE THE RICH ARE ALWAYS SAYING TAXES ARE TOO HIGH YET SOME FINISH UP WITH UNBELIEVABLE CASH SUMS AND THE REST OF US HAVE TO RELY ON SOME PHILANTHROPIC TYPE PERSON TO PUT THE MONEY BACK INTO GOOD CAUSES ,UNFORTUNATELY THE GREEDY RICH OUTNUMBER THE PHILANTHROPIC PEOPLE "_________________________________________________________Oh dear... Some people are so stupid! Any of us can amass huge wealth - just try working hard in a suitable sector! Tue 19 Oct 2010 11:30:26 GMT+1 captainarmchairhero http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=94#comment130 Money is a government institution, and therefore should be ultimately controlled by democracy. The fact that such individuals can amass such large bank balances means that, rightly or wrongly, we are relinquishing power away from democracy and to individuals. If they don't act philantrhopically, democracy will eventually choose to take that power back. Tue 19 Oct 2010 11:17:00 GMT+1 General_Jack_Ripper http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=94#comment129 Luke 21:1-4The Widow's Offering As he looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. "I tell you the truth," he said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others. All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on." Tue 19 Oct 2010 11:09:35 GMT+1 Stephen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=93#comment128 Creating facilities, infrastructure... at-a-loss remains the whim of individuals; typically-obstructed by local-authority-personnel.Certain-as-Christmas people will die this-Winter on death-trap sidewalks-&-sideroads whilst TAXPAYERS pay over-the-odds for services NOT-delivered.Bolting-on plastic-dozer to sit-upon grass-cutters is obvious-solution; private-sector interested if TAX-BREAKS available [sponsored-by...].Cumbria tourist-attraction on-hold; long-term [post my-death] investment may-yet see the light-of-day. Tue 19 Oct 2010 11:01:41 GMT+1 Sixp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=92#comment127 126. At 11:33am on 19 Oct 2010, MellorSJ wrote:Graham wrote: "Another HYS topic where the losers in our society can berate those willing to help others. The mind boggles at these deranged and jealous dole queue boo-boys. Are you all sitting in your local library using a building that was probably donated by philanthropists last century?"I doubt it. More likely they are sitting at home, paid for by the taxpayer, with nothing better to do than complain about how done by they are with more cash on hand than their neighbour who worked for it.===================================And here's me thinking you two are a couple of fat capitalist exploiters sitting in the local Conservative club after one too many scotches... Tue 19 Oct 2010 10:49:45 GMT+1 Sixp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=91#comment126 125. At 11:30am on 19 Oct 2010, MellorSJ wrote:sixpackerL wrote: "I would have had more money to donate to charity if I hadnt had to pay so much for Microsoft products..."And so you would had you not had to pay so much for food.============================yes - well spotted that too... Tue 19 Oct 2010 10:39:13 GMT+1 MellorSJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=91#comment125 Graham wrote: "Another HYS topic where the losers in our society can berate those willing to help others. The mind boggles at these deranged and jealous dole queue boo-boys. Are you all sitting in your local library using a building that was probably donated by philanthropists last century?"I doubt it. More likely they are sitting at home, paid for by the taxpayer, with nothing better to do than complain about how done by they are with more cash on hand than their neighbour who worked for it. Tue 19 Oct 2010 10:33:14 GMT+1 MellorSJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=90#comment124 sixpackerL wrote: "I would have had more money to donate to charity if I hadnt had to pay so much for Microsoft products..."And so you would had you not had to pay so much for food. Tue 19 Oct 2010 10:30:43 GMT+1 Sixp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=89#comment123 I would have had more money to donate to charity if I hadnt had to pay so much for Microsoft products... Tue 19 Oct 2010 10:11:23 GMT+1 Graham http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=89#comment122 Another HYS topic where the losers in our society can berate those willing to help others. The mind boggles at these deranged and jealous dole queue boo-boys. Are you all sitting in your local library using a building that was probably donated by philanthropists last century? Tue 19 Oct 2010 10:08:52 GMT+1 MellorSJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=88#comment121 DibbySpot wrote: "If you subscribe to the ideas of the coalitions "Big Society" it is a basic requirement going forward.The key issue is how realistic is this in the "me society" of the past 30years. It is not something that wil come about overnight."That is not the problem. The problem is the expectation that the state will provide for all needs. And will take on all responsibilities.Until this sick attitude is treated with the contempt it deserves, there really is no hope. Tue 19 Oct 2010 09:48:22 GMT+1 MellorSJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=87#comment120 ukblahblahblacksheep wrote: "Mike from Brum wrote:"Losers whine, winners get on with it."That's what Hitler said after invading Poland"Really? Do you have a reference? Tue 19 Oct 2010 09:44:51 GMT+1 polly_gone http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=86#comment119 Yet another regurgitated HYS. Has someone in the BBC team had a bit too much of Philanthropist Pie? Tue 19 Oct 2010 09:42:54 GMT+1 DibbySpot http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=86#comment118 If you subscribe to the ideas of the coalitions "Big Society" it is a basic requirement going forward.The key issue is how realistic is this in the "me society" of the past 30years. It is not something that wil come about overnight. Tue 19 Oct 2010 09:35:33 GMT+1 Leviticus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=85#comment117 > 30. At 2:33pm on 18 Oct 2010, Bruce In Baghdad wrote:...Tax money should never be used for the purposes of assisting those down on their luck...I could not possibly disagree more!Whilst I could construct a logical reasoned argument for this, I think it may be wasted. Instead I shall simply ask, what if your luck went bad and your house burned down, you got injured in the falling masonry and your insurance company 'lost' your documents?Still want no state intervention? Tue 19 Oct 2010 09:32:08 GMT+1 ukblahblahblacksheep http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=84#comment116 45. At 3:52pm on 18 Oct 2010, Mike from Brum wrote: Losers whine, winners get on with it.That's what Hitler said after invading Poland. I suppose in your simple world his actions were justified. Tue 19 Oct 2010 08:52:43 GMT+1 Tienhoa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=83#comment115 Donation to charities to help people in need is responsibility and obligation not only individuals but governments and all people living in society. In addition, poor countries such as Africa the people living with lacking medical health services find difficult to cope with the common diseases including malaria, aid etc. Therefore, better health care systems is necessary and crucial to deal with such a problem and it needs help from philanthropists and other sources. Tue 19 Oct 2010 08:40:01 GMT+1 Cosmologic http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=83#comment114 4. At 1:16pm on 18 Oct 2010, Confuciousfred wrote:Many years ago, during my formative years, I watched a film called Magnificent Obsession and since then I question the motives of anyone who "advertises" their charitable activities. As for my charitable deeds, that is between me and god.-*-Wrong!It is between you and the recipientThe starving, sick and the downtrodden need help first and foremost. Whether done for an altruistic or self-serving motive is of no practical consequence whatsoever.There is no true altruism anyway, even those who give anonymously get a very private sense of satisfaction for doing so and feel themselves elevated above the norm.Such meandering is a luxury only the ‘haves’ can afford to indulge in. Tue 19 Oct 2010 08:06:45 GMT+1 ruffled_feathers http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=82#comment113 89. At 00:02am on 19 Oct 2010, MellorSJ wrote:Ruffled writes: "Otherwise there is nothing to complain about."Can't have that! We're British, you know!"Wealth should be shared out."It already is. The top 1% of taxpayers pay 25% of the income tax. See table 2.4 on http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/income_tax/menu.htm"What are they doing, sharing out some of their wealth? Oh NO!"Fair enough. Contact Bill gates and ask him to desist.=================================You do appreciate that I was agreeing with you and was being tongue in cheek? Tue 19 Oct 2010 08:05:31 GMT+1 MellorSJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=81#comment112 Let's pretend callaspadeaspade's statement:"Bill Gates is exploiting his market postion to tie in computer manufacturers and overcharge the consumer for his product, then making out that he is generous by givining the money away!!" is true.Now why is it OK for governments to tax consumer and give away the proceeds as aid, when it is (apparently) not OK for Bill Gates to do it?Why don't (or didn't) the computer manufacturers side with Apple then?And what makes you think Bill Gates cares one way or another whether you (or the world at large) think he's generous? Tue 19 Oct 2010 08:02:04 GMT+1 ortsa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=81#comment111 They arent giving back to society, all they are doing is paying pharma companies money for vaccines that dont work. Tue 19 Oct 2010 07:57:47 GMT+1 callaspadeaspade http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=80#comment110 Philanthropy is important but often misplaced - 17bn given to some poorer countries is probably 10bn given to crooks whilst those who are really poor stay hungry.Bill Gates is exploiting his market postion to tie in computer manufacturers and overcharge the consumer for his product, then making out that he is generous by givining the money away!!Smeels like rich mans guilt to me! Tue 19 Oct 2010 07:43:09 GMT+1 Jack Orion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=79#comment109 Yes I value the work of philanthropists very much, as will many, many more UK citizens over the next year or so. Tue 19 Oct 2010 07:42:58 GMT+1 truthseeker123 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=78#comment108 mass media is just as corrupt as all governments!! keep up the evil work, its going to be your children that suffer! Tue 19 Oct 2010 07:38:29 GMT+1 truthseeker123 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=78#comment107 This post has been Removed Tue 19 Oct 2010 07:28:13 GMT+1 Chris http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=77#comment106 If £17bn from Bill Gates + £7.7bn we give in aid (annually) + $50bn (annual aid from US) + aid from other countries cannot resolve the world's poverty issues, then we have a monstrous problem which has created a bottomless pit of scrounging. The world population is only 6.5bn. Not all of them are poor. How much money do poorer countries need?!!!!!!! Sooner or later 3rd World countries are going to have to help themselves. We have our own economic problems, which £7.7bn would help to address.My donations to charity (through my credit card) and assistance to charitable causes (have raised approx £75k over past 30 years) only stretches to home-based charities - British Legion, Help The Aged, Help For Heroes, National Trust, British Heart Foundation, Cancer Research UK. Absolutely not interested in helping charities that send money overseas.Fair play to Bill Gates, though. Tue 19 Oct 2010 07:10:53 GMT+1 U14552020 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=76#comment105 This post has been Removed Tue 19 Oct 2010 06:36:01 GMT+1 Benjamin Hundeyin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=75#comment104 If governments were up and doing, there would absolutely be no need for philanthropy because even the poorest person would well be above subsistence level. For the philanthropists, it is a good gesture. I urge them to continue to combat poverty. Tue 19 Oct 2010 06:25:07 GMT+1 MellorSJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=75#comment103 What nonsense from chrislabiff!Government still has a duty, and if philanthropy filled all gaps, govt would still be required to stand by in case they did not.In no way does philanthropy highlight inequality. Poor people can give too. Tue 19 Oct 2010 06:17:00 GMT+1 chrislabiff http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=74#comment102 No-one should be that disproportionally wealthy in the first place. Philanthropy relieves govts. of duty and highlights inequality. Tue 19 Oct 2010 05:53:54 GMT+1 CoeurDeHamster http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=73#comment101 If Bill Gates and others wish to give their money away that’s fine by me. After all, it is their money to give away.Therein however is the problem. If it is their money to give away, they can put conditions and restrictions on what and who should get it and what can be done with it.If some members of HYS become filthy rich then, according to some of the views I see here, I would expect to see the following conditions attached to any philanthropic effort…• Forcible sterilization of drug abusers.• Death for anyone with any religious beliefs. • Withdrawal of health care from anyone whose lifestyle is, according to some, costing too much.• Segregation and possible deportation of smokers.• Fat people should excluded from society• People on benefits should be made to walk around wearing a placard which says “I am lazy and a drain on society”Heaven help us from philanthropy and HYS members from becoming filthy rich (except me – because the strings I would impose are thoroughly reasonable, fair and blindingly obviously right!). Tue 19 Oct 2010 05:40:20 GMT+1 MellorSJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=72#comment100 Intbel,"Look to whom his largesse is distributed and research what they do with it and what is the outcome."Why? Are you suggesting some kind of bad practice? Tue 19 Oct 2010 04:18:09 GMT+1 intbel http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=72#comment99 Bill Gates a philanthropist? You can not be serious?Look to whom his largesse is distributed and research what they do with it and what is the outcome. Tue 19 Oct 2010 04:01:04 GMT+1 MellorSJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=71#comment98 Dr Ghost wrote: "If there were no rich, who would then become the enemy?"The stupid. Tue 19 Oct 2010 03:50:09 GMT+1 Dr John Galt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=70#comment97 If there were no rich, who would then become the enemy? Tue 19 Oct 2010 03:03:53 GMT+1 Peter Dewsnap http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=70#comment96 Philanthropists are an enigma in that the money they give away they couldn't possibly have earned in the first place.Peter D South Carolina Tue 19 Oct 2010 02:57:47 GMT+1 MellorSJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=69#comment95 More nonsense from Bloo: "The naivety of some adults still astounds me."On that, at least, we can agree."The amount of money these philanthropists give is minuscule compared to the UK budget yet the amount of money they have sucked out of our economy with their bad behavior is huge."Sucked out? They are providing goods and services at a price that YOU and "the country" agreed to pay. Want to do it for less? Start your own company! (A dose of reality would do you a great deal of good.)"Their money will change very little here but it will ease their own consciences and it's an excellent method of self promotion."I don't think they have any need to ease their conscience. Why should they? "If they wanted to do good they would have treated others better i.e. paid better wages to their workers, they would have worked with other companies instead of creating monopolies etc."Microsoft pays well. And the "monopoly" of which you speak actually BENEFITS you. Ever tried to export a file between different types of OS?"If they had done this the wealth would already be more equal and people wouldn't have to rely on charity."If they had done that? Sure. Microsoft could have hired lots of poor Africans."Philanthropists and other greedy people CREATE the need for charity."Let me ask you a question: Is any employer acceptable to you? Mon 18 Oct 2010 23:58:12 GMT+1 beamstoo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=68#comment94 The Gates have earned this money to spend as they see fit and are an inspireation to us all. They have more courage than anyone. This affects everyone indirectly like a ripple in a pond, deep felt and far reaching to all four corners, to which I am truely grateful to hear about. It is restoreing faith in human kind at such a bleek time in the words history of economic endevors. The Gates have done what many are not capable of. Seeing a solution far greater than ourselves and committing to it. They are our unsung heros safeguarding the human race by saving many lives now and hereafter on a global world wide scale, the effects of this kindness to mankind are truely far reaching fingers touching into everyone's future. Probably far wider than one could ever imagine.I am thankful for them in this pondThey are amazing peopleI am in awe.Thank you :0) Mon 18 Oct 2010 23:56:36 GMT+1 MellorSJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=67#comment93 Icebloo bloos: "Working people carry the greatest tax burden in any country. This is fact."Did you read the table? Course not! It contradicts your fantasy. Mon 18 Oct 2010 23:50:11 GMT+1 Cobbett_Rides_Again http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=67#comment92 Given the damage that our present government is intending to do to most of our vital public services, clearly gifts from the occasional billionaire are not enough. We all need to contribute what we can: it's called income tax. Another clever way of raising funds from where there is money is the "Robin Hood Tax" on all financial transactions. What is the poin in us having governments if they don't do things we wan in the way we want them done? Mon 18 Oct 2010 23:37:49 GMT+1 piscator http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=66#comment91 For $17b you could eradicate leprosy and get your name in the history books. Most other things would be a complete waste,in that aid is not a permanent solution to anything. How many years have Oxfam been going, and yet there are apparently still people starving in Oxford. Mon 18 Oct 2010 23:16:30 GMT+1 Icebloo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=65#comment90 88. At 11:42pm on 18 Oct 2010, ruffled_feathers wrote:78. At 9:17pm on 18 Oct 2010, MellorSJ wrote:Icebloo writes: "It's interesting to see most people see these philanthropists as heroes when, in fact, all of them have gained their fortunes by treating others badly and by unscrupulous business practices. The money they are giving back to society was the money they made from their bad behaviour so they aren't giving us anything that wasn't ours anyway."So long as this attitude prevails, this country is finished. We're already a good long way down that path, and the populist anger fomented (by our "leaders") against the bankers will make it worse.When they leave, who will be left to pay taxes?Oh, and by the way, the mega rich don't pay a great deal of taxes. We are too terrified to make them pay much because we are scared they will invest their money elsewhere. They have use their wealth as a weapon for decades.Working people carry the greatest tax burden in any country. This is fact. Mon 18 Oct 2010 23:10:21 GMT+1 Icebloo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=64#comment89 78. At 9:17pm on 18 Oct 2010, MellorSJ wrote:Icebloo writes: "It's interesting to see most people see these philanthropists as heroes when, in fact, all of them have gained their fortunes by treating others badly and by unscrupulous business practices. The money they are giving back to society was the money they made from their bad behaviour so they aren't giving us anything that wasn't ours anyway."So long as this attitude prevails, this country is finished. We're already a good long way down that path, and the populist anger fomented (by our "leaders") against the bankers will make it worse.When they leave, who will be left to pay taxes?The naivety of some adults still astounds me. The amount of money these philanthropists give is minuscule compared to the UK budget yet the amount of money they have sucked out of our economy with their bad behavior is huge. Their money will change very little here but it will ease their own consciences and it's an excellent method of self promotion.If they wanted to do good they would have treated others better i.e. paid better wages to their workers, they would have worked with other companies instead of creating monopolies etc. If they had done this the wealth would already be more equal and people wouldn't have to rely on charity. Philanthropists and other greedy people CREATE the need for charity. Mon 18 Oct 2010 23:07:39 GMT+1 MellorSJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=64#comment88 Ruffled writes: "Otherwise there is nothing to complain about."Can't have that! We're British, you know!"Wealth should be shared out."It already is. The top 1% of taxpayers pay 25% of the income tax. See table 2.4 on http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/income_tax/menu.htm"What are they doing, sharing out some of their wealth? Oh NO!"Fair enough. Contact Bill gates and ask him to desist. Mon 18 Oct 2010 23:02:56 GMT+1 ruffled_feathers http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=63#comment87 78. At 9:17pm on 18 Oct 2010, MellorSJ wrote:Icebloo writes: "It's interesting to see most people see these philanthropists as heroes when, in fact, all of them have gained their fortunes by treating others badly and by unscrupulous business practices. The money they are giving back to society was the money they made from their bad behaviour so they aren't giving us anything that wasn't ours anyway."So long as this attitude prevails, this country is finished. We're already a good long way down that path, and the populist anger fomented (by our "leaders") against the bankers will make it worse. When they leave, who will be left to pay taxes?+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++No, Icebloo is probably right. Better for all these rich people who are slammed so much on HYS NOT to give their money away at all. Otherwise there is nothing to complain about.Wealth should be shared out.What are they doing, sharing out some of their wealth? Oh NO! Mon 18 Oct 2010 22:42:38 GMT+1 Nuttymut http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=62#comment86 The Bill Gates Story is one of immense luck. He was turned down many times by large companies and had no option other than to carry on. That said he's a bloody nice chap. He's realised he can be of some help and he's got stuck in - many wouldn't in his shoes. He is an inspirational person and I admire him greatly. I wish I was in a position to be as charitable as he has been. I am facing a great deal of financial hardship myself and have had to cut back to bare bone living. It's hard. I spend £18 per month on supporting a child through World Vision and for as much as I could do with that money I refuse to stop paying it.Charity is for us all to measure within ourselves. You can give money. You can give time. You can even just listen to someone who is lonely.But let's not ask the question is it more for government. Hell it's for all of us.Warren Buffett has also supported Bill's Foundation to the tune of some tremendous money. You know they are really good people. Don't measure it. Don't debate it. Just give what you can, when you can. Be wise and pcik your charity so that your donation goes to the right place and doesn't get eaten up in bribes and corruption. But don't let that stop you. Mon 18 Oct 2010 22:41:41 GMT+1 SimpleOldSailor http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=62#comment85 The trouble with depending upon philanthropy to get those things done that need doing is the simple fact that for every one ultra rich philantropist there are a hundred or a thousand ultra rich who are of the opposite persuasion. The truth is that the market system allows money to flow in to too few pockets so that wealth as well as income gets ever more distorted. Thank God that there are a few like Bill Gates who are willing to attempt to do good with their vast accummulations of wealth and one can only wish them success with their efforts but in the meantime there are many thousands out there who are busy squirreling away vast fortunes by depriving and cheating the very people that Bill Gates et al are trying to help; not only that but they are then perverting matters even more by doing everything that they can to avoid paying their due share of tax that given good government, (admittedly not always available), could also be used to help the deprived. Mon 18 Oct 2010 22:33:42 GMT+1 stevegrant http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=61#comment84 Whilst Bill Gates is a nice chap Im afraid that keeping just 5% of his fortune would leave him richer than most so forgive me for being cynical.Its the duty of any national government to ensure its people are well provided for and that means using its taxes wisely.The African despots stand in a long line with hands held out for Bill Gates cash to buy yet more Mercedes whilst the population starves.All of Bill Gates money allows is for dictators to carry on spending money that should have been spent on medicine etc;No amount of surplus money by super rich people will have any effect until its actually spent on production of food and industry,you only help people by giving them the tools to do it for themselves.Now that would be a good way to spend your surplus cash-but of course dont hold your breath! Mon 18 Oct 2010 22:33:15 GMT+1 Devon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=60#comment83 They should give it to creditors to clear random peoples debts if you ask me, that would get alot of people to start spending again... Mon 18 Oct 2010 22:29:01 GMT+1 canuckone http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=59#comment82 This post has been Removed Mon 18 Oct 2010 21:24:04 GMT+1 mike ivybridge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=59#comment81 Philanthropy is the lost treasure of human nature and the undiscovered pearl of civilised society. Mon 18 Oct 2010 21:22:57 GMT+1 likas_kid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=58#comment80 There is always room for philanthropy but far better is sacrificial giving and mutual support. So why all this fawning over these people compared to the many millions who have handed over a hard earned 10 bucks. I'd rather see 1,000,000 people give $1 each than 1 person able to dispense with 1bn. You can do just as much with $10 as with 17bn.If only Microsoft hadn't ruined and squashed all those other engineers and would-be entrepreneurs on its way to amassing this ridiculous amount with its clever licensing, etc Not to mention the zillions small businesses round the globe have had to pay for software they hardly use. He has missed hi opportunity to make a real difference. This 17Bn is too little, too late and is basically giving back what he took. Mon 18 Oct 2010 21:09:47 GMT+1 bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=57#comment79 is bill gates and his wife trying to buy there way in to heaven look at the parable of the widow and the rich man that sums it up.do you really believe they would give up most of there wealth perhaps they have given a lot of money to charities. could this be playing on there conscience because don't people ever read where the resources come from to make computers well the components that make the batteries for pc come from mainly mines in Africa and other poor country's and the people that employ the labourers are mainly gangsters that force poor people in to the most dangerous situations to retrieve these elements with hardly any pay.but I suppose the public don't really want to hear the dark side of bill gates empire do they. Mon 18 Oct 2010 20:52:49 GMT+1 Jim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=56#comment78 Is philanthropy still important?It is better to give than to receive.Sorry - try as I might, I simply can't fault the logic. Mon 18 Oct 2010 20:30:20 GMT+1 MellorSJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=56#comment77 Icebloo writes: "It's interesting to see most people see these philanthropists as heroes when, in fact, all of them have gained their fortunes by treating others badly and by unscrupulous business practices. The money they are giving back to society was the money they made from their bad behaviour so they aren't giving us anything that wasn't ours anyway."So long as this attitude prevails, this country is finished. We're already a good long way down that path, and the populist anger fomented (by our "leaders") against the bankers will make it worse. When they leave, who will be left to pay taxes? Mon 18 Oct 2010 20:17:02 GMT+1 Icebloo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=55#comment76 It's interesting to see most people see these philanthropists as heroes when, in fact, all of them have gained their fortunes by treating others badly and by unscrupulous business practices. The money they are giving back to society was the money they made from their bad behaviour so they aren't giving us anything that wasn't ours anyway. Mon 18 Oct 2010 19:51:09 GMT+1 london Stock Exchange http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=54#comment75 As a social breakdown occurs after the chancellor cuts to benefits soup kitchens will keep society together..the few people who have jobs need to take responsibility and give to the starving! Mon 18 Oct 2010 19:12:57 GMT+1 1stTopic http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=54#comment74 I agree with comment No 3 Bill Gates was allowed to have a virtual monopoly for many many years enabling him to rack up obscene amount of profit and now he wishes to swage his conscience or not by giving enormous sums away on particular projects that he personally likes and not necessarily the best for the country or children involved, not his fault but the system he was brought up in. Mon 18 Oct 2010 19:03:01 GMT+1 alterid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=53#comment73 while I doubt it has much of an adverse effect on their quality of life, It's still very good of the Mr and Mrs Gates to make such huge donations.If any individual wishes to contribute to helping others in any way then it's commendable. However, in a time where the British electorate is forced to stomach cuts in public services across the board (and pretty stoically on the whole) and in a climate where people are having to make sacrifices at a personal level in the interests of the nation, it's absolutely disgusting that the British government is forcing British taxpayers to prop up other countries. Mon 18 Oct 2010 18:43:52 GMT+1 hypocracyrules http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=52#comment72 Is philanthropy still important?Very much so, what goes around, generally does come back around. Mon 18 Oct 2010 18:34:50 GMT+1 Maybridge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=51#comment71 Philanthropy can only be good. Mon 18 Oct 2010 18:32:22 GMT+1 Steven http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=51#comment70 On a TED Conference I watched Malinda hold Coca Cola up as a model to follow. Coca Cola pursues intimidation and murder in countries like Turkey Columbia. Coca Cola uses contaminated water in India. Gates Foundation’s investment portfolio, including 500,000 shares of Monsanto stock with an estimated worth of $23.1 million purchased in the second quarter of 2010 “The Foundation’s direct investment in Monsanto is problematic on two primary levels,” said Dr. Phil Bereano, University of Washington Professor Emeritus and recognized expert on genetic engineering. “First, Monsanto has a history of blatant disregard for the interests and well-being of small farmers around the world, as well as an appalling environmental track record. The strong connections to Monsanto cast serious doubt on the Foundation’s heavy funding of agricultural development in Africa and purported goal of alleviating poverty and hunger among small-scale farmers. Second, this investment represents an enormous conflict of interests.”Monsanto has already negatively impacted agriculture in African countries. For example, in South Africa in 2009, Monsanto’s genetically modified maize failed to produce kernels and hundreds of farmers were devastated. According to Mariam Mayet, environmental attorney and director of the Africa Centre for Biosafety in Johannesburg, some farmers suffered up to an 80% crop failure. While Monsanto compensated the large-scale farmers to whom it directly sold the faulty product, it gave nothing to the small-scale farmers to whom it had handed out free sachets of seeds. “When the economic power of Gates is coupled with the irresponsibility of Monsanto, the outlook for African smallholders is not very promising,” said Mayet. Monsanto’s aggressive patenting practices have also monopolized control over seed in ways that deny farmers control over their own harvest, going so far as to sue—and bankrupt—farmers for “patent infringement.”This is Charity with a motive. Don't be fooled. Mon 18 Oct 2010 18:27:51 GMT+1 The Truth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=50#comment69 Govt has its role and philanthropy has its place. If Philanthropists choose to donate money to help society, it is most welcome and a kind gesture. To whom much is given, much is expected. It should be a matter of choice and govt must not abrogate its responsibility to society or else we might as well stop paying taxes and take care of our society. I give to my preferred charities when I can afford to just like many ordinary citizens do. Mon 18 Oct 2010 18:22:45 GMT+1 Bradford http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=49#comment68 If Bill Gates gives away money, it's his own money to give.If the Government gives away money, they are giving away other people's money. Mon 18 Oct 2010 18:09:32 GMT+1 This is a colleague announcement http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=48#comment67 If Bill Gates is proposing to donate/pledge scores of $ billions, how can that not be important? Mon 18 Oct 2010 17:51:49 GMT+1 MilwaukeeRay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=48#comment66 People in the UK and US are the most generous private givers in the world, and that includes volunteerism as well as monetary giving. It's part of our common social culture, I guess. The attitude elsewhere seems to be, "Let the government do it". Mon 18 Oct 2010 17:42:22 GMT+1 haynonymouse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=47#comment65 50. At 4:39pm on 18 Oct 2010, entreri100404 wrote:36. At 3:02pm on 18 Oct 2010, U14403753 wrote:"After a little research you will find that Bill Gates along with other wealthy folk are massive supporters of reducing the human population to a fraction of what it is now,"Good. It needs to be done.==============Keep taking the aspartame/sodium fluoride/BPA/vaccines.Please lead by example. Mon 18 Oct 2010 17:20:25 GMT+1 zevrapak http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=46#comment64 We must try and give charities as much as we can afford. But in India we have to be more careful of avoiding the thugs. Once the thugs comes to know someone is giving charities to the needy they become needy and grabs major part of the charities. It is very difficult to find who are the real needy and also very difficult to make out whether the person who approaches you is real needy or the thug who have their group of specialist to fool the charity giver. For giving charity I will request to give importance 1st to the school fees from school till the end of graduation, 2nd to the girl child because I have seen innumerable teenager girl working to feed their families, the girl child must be given help with which she becomes independent and no MALE can play with her like FOX. 3rd is the old lady, i have seen aged lady above the age of 60 still working to feed her family. Helping such peoples to such extent that they become independent will make our world happy. Mon 18 Oct 2010 17:16:03 GMT+1 haynonymouse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=45#comment63 59. At 5:26pm on 18 Oct 2010, Andrew Morton wrote:..It would be nice, though, if more of us were in a position to give to those in need. Philanthropy is an undoubtedly a good thing, but if wealth were more equally distributed then more of us could be involved in it.+++++++++and less people would be in need too Mon 18 Oct 2010 17:03:17 GMT+1 Tom Dolan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=45#comment62 54. At 4:51pm on 18 Oct 2010, Alasdair Campbell wrote:Footballers with their massive earnings might also be encouraged to donate in this way as a means of putting back something into their local communities.-----------------------------------------------------------------Many, many footballers in the Premier League do volunteer both their time and money supporting charitable causes. There was a great documentary on channel 4 that I really can't remember in the way of details about (maybe someone can enlighten me) but there was a woman trying to be 'inventive' by going to a football club and basically lecturing the players with a speech about how 'if only you gave your pay for juuuust onnnne day to char-i--ddeee' and the players cut her down saying 'look love, we give many times more than that already' Mon 18 Oct 2010 17:00:28 GMT+1 U14366475 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=44#comment61 Do you welcome the support of philanthropists or should governments do more?Both. It would be good to see the greedy, corrupt bankers do more, but then, that's not in their obscene, greed based mentality.If all the bankers died today, I'd shed not one tear for them. Mon 18 Oct 2010 16:57:29 GMT+1 Gruffydd ap Llywelyn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=43#comment60 When my late father said he'll be taking his wealth with him when he dies I replied, I'll write you a cheque for the full amount and place it in the coffin with you. When you come to cash it, dad, I'll honour the cheque. Mon 18 Oct 2010 16:47:27 GMT+1 bounce bounce bounce http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=43#comment59 How about using all that excess money that Gates don't need to create jobs for the millions of desperately unemployed? Mon 18 Oct 2010 16:40:40 GMT+1 Andrew Morton http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=42#comment58 It's difficult to argue with someone giving away 95% of their wealth to help others - I might even forgive him for "Windows".It would be nice, though, if more of us were in a position to give to those in need. Philanthropy is an undoubtedly a good thing, but if wealth were more equally distributed then more of us could be involved in it. Mon 18 Oct 2010 16:26:04 GMT+1 Sue Doughcoup http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=41#comment57 Hey! Don't knock Bill Gates. He had a product which a lot of people wanted and was able to charge. Market forces. I'd do the same given the same circumstances, but then I am not that bright. Philanthropy is a waste of time. It only encourages people to have more kids and the spiral into poverty that brings. In the meantime - anyone want a jar of my homemade chutney? Only £50 a jar. Mon 18 Oct 2010 16:21:10 GMT+1 haynonymouse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=40#comment56 This post has been Removed Mon 18 Oct 2010 16:13:09 GMT+1 saffler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=40#comment55 I do hope it annoys those infantile far right americans you see on tv that get stressed out about 'socialism' - unbeknown to them they benefit from various forms of 'socialism' (every day that 'socialists' allow them to breath for example). Bill & Melinda are doing the right thing. Mon 18 Oct 2010 16:05:39 GMT+1 corncobuk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=39#comment54 41. At 3:22pm on 18 Oct 2010, coolhandpaul wrote:37. At 3:04pm on 18 Oct 2010, Magi Tatcher wrote:13. At 1:39pm on 18 Oct 2010, coolhandpaul wrote:Whilst the money will be put to good use and it's welcome, do they have to show off about it?If I had loads of spare billions, I'd invest it in trying to invent a free, better operating system for computers.Something like Linux you mean ?--------------------------------------Yeah but one you can play games on.---------------------------------------------------------------------C:/DOSC:/DOS/RUNRUN/DOS/RUNSorry, old joke but funny in anoetic kind of way Mon 18 Oct 2010 16:03:15 GMT+1 Alasdair Campbell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=38#comment53 Philanthropy remains important, just as it did in Victorian times when successful businessmen supported their local communities by founding schools, hospitals and foundations of other sorts. We need more of such behaviour, especially by the Bankers who should be donating their huge bonuses in this way. Footballers with their massive earnings might also be encouraged to donate in this way as a means of putting back something into their local communities. Governments have a part to play too by providing incentives for philanthropy to take place. Those to whom circumstances have endowed great wealth should consider it their responsibility to behave in this way and be provided with incentives to do so. Mon 18 Oct 2010 15:51:59 GMT+1 haynonymouse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=37#comment52 I see many posts here applauding Mr Gates for his generosity.You have been suckered by sound bitePlease do a search for:gates eugenicsI'll give you a starterhttp://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article17644.htmlhttp://www.philipbrennan.net/2010/09/15/bill-gates-death-panels-tip-of-the-iceberg/Now I know, from reading the posts on the "How can we protect the diversity of life on Earth?" that many of you think that the world is overpopulated. Perhaps it is. Yet do you really advocate "vaccinating the world against overpopulation"?Perhaps you take the "it's alright because it's not here" attitude. Well there's another bubble to burst. It is going on here. It's often referred to as a "soft kill" program and has been going on for years.Bisphenol-A in tinned food, mercury or squalene in vaccines, aspartame sweetener (re-branded to something that sounds like 'nutrableat') that breaks down to methanol and formaldehyde in the blood stream, GM foods tec, etc... are all part of a soft-kill eugenics program.You don't think that any government would allow this if it were true? Well please do your own re-investigation on 9_11 now that the 'authorities' (public servants) have been forced into releasing new material via the Freedom of Information Act and work out for yourselves the ramifications about the 'official' reports being a holey tissue of lies. Mon 18 Oct 2010 15:50:47 GMT+1 clamdip lobster claws http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=37#comment51 I appreciate the efforts Bill and Melinda Gates but shouldn't philanthropy be a national tax? That way money could be pinpointed on effective development projects worldwide. That way all countries could develop without their being any political motive for who receives the aid. If development teams were professionalized, Africa could have had a water and sanitation system 50 years ago. I think most of the money given to other countries is wasted in graft and corruption. Establishing one worldwide development agency would offer countries a framework to development and precious money could be targeted effectively without ending up in politician's pockets. Someone like Bill Gates could make annual contributions and track where every penny was spent. The current phianthropic aid system and government bodies seem innefective and neverreally get the job done. There have got to be better, more strategic ways to spend massive amounts of money from philanthropic people and government agencies. Mon 18 Oct 2010 15:50:23 GMT+1 IndaUK http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=36#comment50 So Gates robs us all over 20 years then gives the money to the poor and everyone is happy about this?bah.Microsoft have been convicted in European courts over their business practices before you all run to the mods. Mon 18 Oct 2010 15:49:10 GMT+1 entreri100404 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=35#comment49 36. At 3:02pm on 18 Oct 2010, U14403753 wrote:"After a little research you will find that Bill Gates along with other wealthy folk are massive supporters of reducing the human population to a fraction of what it is now," Good. It needs to be done. Mon 18 Oct 2010 15:39:54 GMT+1 angry_of_garston http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=35#comment48 Nice gestures from multi-billionaires.For my part when my savings reach 2% of that which Mr and Mrs Gates currently have I shall give everything extra to charity.I am beginning to enjoy the glow of this philanthropy lark. Mon 18 Oct 2010 15:36:32 GMT+1 SarahB http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=34#comment47 I've always thought that charity is a substitute for good policy. Whenever a govt policy leaves people out in the cold, charity comes in and mops up the damage, basically a coverup. Rich people paying for the right to set up propaganda (esp religious) efforts to victimize the poor just encourages the rich to get more people marginalized as it gives them more control. Charity is not a first resort. Review your policy, get the bleeding hearts out of it and take responsibility for everyone within the system. If you discover that when people fail, there's a place for them to go, it's too easy to design policy for "a few" failures. Well, look around you: there are more than a few. Mon 18 Oct 2010 15:19:52 GMT+1 Raymond Hopkins http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=33#comment46 Is philanthropy still important? Certainly. Can I have some, please? More seriously, full marks to Bill Gates and company, but don't forget, we can all share in philanthropic works, by giving a little time if nothing else. Mon 18 Oct 2010 15:18:26 GMT+1 lucyloopy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=32#comment45 To all those maoning about them wanting credit for this:a) so what, they deserve credit for doing something nice like this!b) them doing this so publically brings it into the spotlightc) b might then encourage other rich people to do similar, it might be because it's now "cool".Regardless of their intentions, you can't really have a go at someone donating 95% of their money! Mon 18 Oct 2010 15:10:30 GMT+1 Mike from Brum http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=32#comment44 40. At 3:18pm on 18 Oct 2010, coolhandpaul wrote:29. At 2:31pm on 18 Oct 2010, Mike from Brum wrote:Such a lot of whinging about people being too rich.He got rich using (mostly) legal means and hard work.Now that Gates is rich, he's trying to use his money for the greater good on his own terms and he's earned the right to spend his money however he pleases.He should be applauded, and those who are whinging and moaning he has too much wealth should get up off their rear ends and go and work hard, earn a similar amount and then do things differently.i.e. earn the right to spend their money in the way they want too. Maybe then they'd realise how whiney they sound.-----------------------------------------------How do you know they haven't already done that? because if they'd done it themselves, they wouldn't be whining about someone else doing it! Losers whine, winners get on with it. Mon 18 Oct 2010 14:52:19 GMT+1 Wicked Witch of the South West http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=31#comment43 Philanthropy is more important than ever. With the massive cuts in public expenditure charities & philanthropists are going to be relied on more than ever to provide adequate support services that the government are too mean, short sighted & idologically opposed to provide & finance. Mon 18 Oct 2010 14:38:55 GMT+1 confusus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=30#comment42 With the economic down turn, the apoplexy of our politico leaders to do anything that is other than a short term sound bite, we are required to look to private donors. The few workers already have too much to pay for the unemployed, those with no right to be there and combat threats to their countries. So the politicos only waste the money by employing civil servants on gross salaries to oversee things they do not understand, would not use with their higher income, and look down on those who do want and need them!The only potential problem is is it benign or is there an ulterior motive, or have I confused donors with politicos? Mon 18 Oct 2010 14:37:05 GMT+1 I_amStGeorge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=29#comment41 Trouble with philanthropy is that it just goes to show how much the microsoft product was over charged to joe public in the first place for gates to amash this fortune unlike the British inventor of the WWW that gave it to the world for free. Whats the difference between generosity and philanthropy. Philanthropy is where you get personal recognition. Ye4p sounds about right for an american Mon 18 Oct 2010 14:33:29 GMT+1 deleted http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=29#comment40 37. At 3:04pm on 18 Oct 2010, Magi Tatcher wrote:13. At 1:39pm on 18 Oct 2010, coolhandpaul wrote:Whilst the money will be put to good use and it's welcome, do they have to show off about it?If I had loads of spare billions, I'd invest it in trying to invent a free, better operating system for computers.Something like Linux you mean ?--------------------------------------Yeah but one you can play games on. Mon 18 Oct 2010 14:22:10 GMT+1 deleted http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=28#comment39 29. At 2:31pm on 18 Oct 2010, Mike from Brum wrote:Such a lot of whinging about people being too rich.He got rich using (mostly) legal means and hard work.Now that Gates is rich, he's trying to use his money for the greater good on his own terms and he's earned the right to spend his money however he pleases.He should be applauded, and those who are whinging and moaning he has too much wealth should get up off their rear ends and go and work hard, earn a similar amount and then do things differently.i.e. earn the right to spend their money in the way they want too. Maybe then they'd realise how whiney they sound.-----------------------------------------------How do you know they haven't already done that? Mon 18 Oct 2010 14:18:29 GMT+1 Artemesia http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=27#comment38 For an overview and comparison of Philanthropy in the USA and UK see here...http://www.philanthropyuk.org/Resources/USphilanthropyThe rest of the Site also has some interesting material both general and specific, use the Links on the left of the above Page Mon 18 Oct 2010 14:17:41 GMT+1 ian cheese http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_philanthropy_still_importan.html?page=27#comment37 4. At 1:16pm on 18 Oct 2010, Confuciousfred wrote:Many years ago, during my formative years, I watched a film called Magnificent Obsession and since then I question the motives of anyone who "advertises" their charitable activities. As for my charitable deeds, that is between me and god.-----------That is a valid point. But it can be argued that people who advertise their charitable activities encourage others to support their businesses or corporations, in turn enabling more charitable hand-outs. Mon 18 Oct 2010 14:06:45 GMT+1