Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html en-gb 30 Mon 03 Aug 2015 11:19:31 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html Nexus_8 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=99#comment840 It is in the establishment's interest to make things unequal and difficult for people of genuine merit who may disagree with their dogma and so don't get the chance to put in any kind of position that might influence change for the aim of genuine equality and decency. The more we are lead by these greedy, arrogant nepotistic types (the bankers are just the most obvious set) the more the world is heading towards ultimate conflict...capitalists, go fight your own war! Wed 06 Oct 2010 06:27:07 GMT+1 KingLeeRoySandersJr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=99#comment839 This post has been Removed Tue 05 Oct 2010 22:55:53 GMT+1 Robert Sinclair Shand http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=99#comment838 We would be if we did'nt have to live sandwiched between criminals at the top and bottom of a class structure that is making life a hell for those who worked all their lives to keep this festering society going; and, who themselves have been given no respect what-so-ever for having done so. Tue 05 Oct 2010 22:06:22 GMT+1 london Stock Exchange http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=99#comment837 So how is withdrawing benefits arbitrarily by poorly educated civil servants going to help people find jobs? clearly social engineering is labours policy why do we stand for politicians who have been involved in the expense scandal think they have any moral high ground??16 million poor people don't have access to justice due to cost..is this equal?Why can't long term unemployed have access to jobs such as cabinet Secretary which are only semi skilled?Why can't we sack civil servants within 7 days on suspicion of fraudWhy don't criminal laws apply to civil servants? Tue 05 Oct 2010 22:01:30 GMT+1 Clear Incite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=99#comment836 810. At 03:02am on 05 Oct 2010, And_here_we_go_again wrote:806. At 10:25pm on 04 Oct 2010, Cobbett_Rides_Again wrote:"Britain is now a far less equal society than it was thirty years ago -..."Firstly your following comment from the above quote has nothing to do with equality, secondly the above quote is completely untrue, Britain changed to provide far more equal opportunities in the past 30 years, the best universities will no longer reject you because of your accent, the colour of your skin, while still not completely equal is far less of a barrier than it used to be and for women the situation has improved drastically. I am was female satellite engineer and have just changed to a career in software, 30 years ago I would not have got a look in, and indeed my grandmother still often states "engineering? That's not a good job for a woman"I'm sorry if some of you white males (as an aside I am white) feel you are being discriminated against, but you are not, you just now have to compete with other people who are no longer being discriminted against quite as much-------------------------------------------------------------------- Somebody on here with a sensible veiw point. Two things thoughin the 80's my cousin wanted to go into engineering and was told in careerers advice to take up hairdressing. In the 90's I interviewed a female Engineering Technician she was by far the best canidate the Company refused to let us employ her. This probably woudn't happen today. Tue 05 Oct 2010 21:56:53 GMT+1 George Cowley http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=99#comment835 Discrimination and r*cism applies to everyone.Ironically the British Establishment are the worst offenders. Tue 05 Oct 2010 20:54:33 GMT+1 Chazz Trinder http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=99#comment834 You would have to go back to the 19th century to find a time more unequal than today. Not only is there more inequality people are more aware of their social class and are more snobbishly unpleasant about those they deem inferiors.I can recall as a schoolboy at a decidedly working class school- a local rich businessmen came to give a talk about his business. He was at pains to let us know that he was proud to consider himself working class. He said “every day I go work so I am a member of the class that does the work – I am working class the same as you”. Well the claim rang a bit hollow articulated as it was in his plumy public school accent. But at least he respected the working class enough to make the effort to identify with us – that would happen now days. My businessmen's modern equivalent would probably just dismiss us all as a bunch of chavs or members of the welfare sponging underclass. Tue 05 Oct 2010 17:35:47 GMT+1 Aneeta Trikk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=99#comment833 And the BBC do it yet again, this time Inverdale dishes out the apparent contrasting of abled versus disabled people. The BBC covers Wimbledon where men and women compete in two separate competitions for the same prize money and in a joint competition called mixed doubles.Does the BBC commentary run to saying Ms Partner cannot hit the ball as hard as Mr Partner? Or is the BBC grown up enough to recognise and celebrate the many different ways a tennis ball can be hit? Tue 05 Oct 2010 16:23:52 GMT+1 Norman Brooke http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=98#comment832 In this world we are not equal. Politics of all persuasions ensure there is an elite dictating and creating the news, policies, and everything that affects our lives. In Britain a failure to invest in post industrial areas has led to a new underclass and look how the evil thugs of the media relentlessly attack them, like the Nazis stigmatised the Jews.A considerable number of the Middle class are clearly delluded, they believe they will be Rich, when they will not ever be so take thier petty spite out on those below them, instead of attacking the injustices of the elite that make it bad for everyone not Rich, middle and working class. For that blame the made up doctored and utterly amoral news of the Rightwing media. The poor get it tough in this world. The Rich will get it tough in the next. Tue 05 Oct 2010 16:05:06 GMT+1 Muddy Waters the 2nd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=98#comment831 Only a fool needs to ask that question. Take a walk through a poor area of Leeds or any other town or city and the take a tour of the marina's down south, and there's your answer. Tue 05 Oct 2010 16:02:42 GMT+1 hepdoc http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=98#comment830 This is Harriet Harman at her worst. And yes it was her not the coalition who introduced this. I give one example of her version of equality. She sent her children to an independent school because she and her trades union husband can afford it. The rest of us have to send our children to, as one of her colleagues once described them, "Bog standard comprehensive".That is the kind of equality I like! Tue 05 Oct 2010 14:47:00 GMT+1 BradyFox http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=98#comment829 Not until rights are equal in all areas of society, not just the workplace. Tue 05 Oct 2010 12:44:27 GMT+1 corum-populo-2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=98#comment828 "Is Britain now, a more equal society"?In many ways, yes. However, not for long with the wrong Ministers in the wrong jobs showing their 'sleeping angel' fangs? Tue 05 Oct 2010 12:35:33 GMT+1 Tony of Britain http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=98#comment827 701. At 11:23am on 03 Oct 2010, Joe wrote:699. At 11:03am on 03 Oct 2010, Tony of Britain wrote:691. At 09:44am on 03 Oct 2010, Joe wrote:683. At 08:15am on 03 Oct 2010, Tony of Britain wrote:As a British white, straight male, I am less equal to others in Britain...........................................................Oh dear, are the rest of us taking over?!-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_It seems the rest of you (gay, lesbian, brown, black, green, purple etc) are with the blessing of the government, rather then making everything equal...........................................................Yes, of course, being mixed race, the standard of living is so much better than it is for my neighbours who are white!!!That is the most ridiculous statement. Just because people who do not fall into the white male middle-class category feel we deserve respect and opportunity equal to the said group, you think we're being mollycoddled. You need to step outside the house once in a while and look around you, and don't believe the hype in the tabloids!-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_It is you who needs to step outside and for your information, I do not read the tabloids. A friend of mine went through the process of joining the Police. He passed all the tests and is fitter then your average copper. A black guy was on the same intake/assessment (or whatever they call it) and he failed one of the tests, and was not as fit as was required. The black guy was offered a position, my friend was not. Please explain to me why that happened. Tue 05 Oct 2010 12:00:37 GMT+1 Aneeta Trikk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=98#comment826 #818 eventpoets commented upon the BBC's rampant discrimination... thus"Hurrah! At last one disabled person made an appearance, albeit brief, being interviewed by a non disabled presenter on BBC TV yesterday. So uncomfortable was Sue Barker with the fact that a paralympian was competing against non-disabled athletes that she felt she had to explain the paralympian's disability! Hope Sue is now going to disclose personal details from her own private life! Equality or what!"I watched it too, and cringed. Somehow the BBC think the disabled are second best to the abled rather than just different. We know the BBC go along with the rest in this mockery of fairness by reducing Paralympics to a secondary competition....Please define discrimination Ms Barker and apologise for being so very insensitive, either yourself, or your producers, or both."Shades of what are the skin colours of our competitors in the presidential race...." as a certain Mr Twain may have said. Tue 05 Oct 2010 12:00:10 GMT+1 Sick_of_Layabouts http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=98#comment825 Equality in the workplace: My husband is given a teaching timetable of 31 hours (should be 23)and virtually no prep, marking, tutorial, exam setting time and has to do them at home. His colleaques are given timetables of 17/19 hours teaching. Why? Because he has knowledge that they don't so they overload him and don't seek staff who can actually do the job. No equality there and he's twice the age of the others plus an amputee having to stand on his feet all day every day. Equality at home: my dear mother just died having been unable to get financial or physical help from any quarter despite all the legislation and promises. We were ignored by all the people who should have helped out, even David Cameron who I appealed to in writing - he just sent my letter to the DWP. A neighbour, on the other hand, who has just entered the country without having paid a penny into the system had social services, the GP et al chasing after her, overflowing with assistance! Equal society? NO WAY. Tue 05 Oct 2010 11:21:18 GMT+1 MrWonderfulReality http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=97#comment824 Is Britain now a more equal society?BBC report- 5 October 2010 Last updated at 10:30 Former Societe Generale trader Jerome Kerviel will serve three years in jail with a further two years suspended after being convicted by a Paris court.Kerviel was told he must repay the damages of almost 5bn euros ($7bn; £4bn) the bank said it lost through his risky trades.He was found guilty of forgery, unauthorised computer use and breach of trust.=================================In UK, a criminal would not be made to pay full compensation due cost of their crimes, except of course on occassion when and if it is a benefit or tax fraud against the state system.Hence EQUALITY or FAIRNESS or JUSTICE is FACTUALLY non existant within UK justice system, because the STATE factually sanctions criminals escape of due responsibility and payment of that due and associated by their crimes.In UK, the PC justice system works MORE in favour of criminals, it even FURTHER damages society by enforcing other taxpayers to pay compensation via the Criminal Injurys Compensation Scheme.The cost to decent law abiding taxpayers is both UNAFFORDABLE and also IMMORAL in ALL respects, especially as taxpaying family/partners and relations of victims factually pay them compensation via their tax contributions used via Crininal Injurys Compensation Scheme.Victims essentially suffer a domino effect, year in year out from criminal behaviour, yet it is deemed by PC self righteous do gooder activists that criminals should escape with minimal fines and compensation recompense of just a couple of years, as anything more it is suggested can inhibit the criminal from changing their behaviour.The facts and truth is, is that the vast majority of criminals are just further benefitted by such a situation because they have their slate wiped clean and government statistics/figures factually show by that repeat offending criminal numbers that the presnet fine and compensation policy is also part of the failure.It would be much better in many ways for victims, society as a whole and also for rehabilitation of criminals, if criminals were made to pay either full compensation morally and rightfully due, or at least have an attatchment to ALL income/earnings for a period of no less than 10 years, even if a not very high amount, but amount value should be based upon income and also on seriousness of crime as well as actual costs and losses to victims.Attatchments should be made to salarys and even state benefits. A criminal should NOT be entitled to the same level of benefit as that which a victim may be in receipt of due to the crime commited against them. Hence even on state benefits a criminal should pay even a small part to their victim.Such attatchments should be made for a minimum of 10 years, and it should continue until a FULL 10 years payments have been fully met, just like you dont get a full state pension if you dont have enough contributions.With equality, comes responsibility.With crime, should come justice, justice for victims should be first and foremeost, BEFORE rehabilitaion of criminals, of which so much fails, including vast numbers of those participating in community sentencing.Without justice and responsibility, equality is just a MEANINGLESS word. Tue 05 Oct 2010 11:09:18 GMT+1 This is a colleague announcement http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=97#comment823 806. At 10:25pm on 04 Oct 2010, Cobbett_Rides_Again wrote:"... when I got to 65 I could retire with a pension that I could live on modestly but comfortably. It is time we reclaimed all of this from those who have taken it".++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++That would appear to be the Americans, then. After all, they succeeded in selling something worth, say £100 billion to the rest of the world for £1 trillion (illustration only), i.e. sub-prime mortgages. This represents a net flow of money into the US from us, as far as I can see. What role irresponsibility or gullibility on the part of our traders played is unclear, as against reasonable standards of honesty being breached on the part of the sellers, but we might well have a case. It could well be a massive case of insider dealing, if the Bush government tipped the financial sector in the US the wink that they were not going to legitimise clandestine immigration (causing the bottom to drop out of low end property values). Tue 05 Oct 2010 10:37:00 GMT+1 jamesev http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=97#comment822 At 10:57am on 01 Oct 2010, ady wrote:Well lets have a look-see shall we...he-heDavid Cameron-oxford universityNick Clegg-Cambridge universityWilliam Hague-oxford universityGeorge Osborne-oxford universityKenneth Clarke-Cambridge universityTheresa May-oxford universityLiam Fox-Glasgow university --DIVERSITY!!Vince Cable-Cambridge universityIain Duncan Smith-University of life --DIVERSITY!!Chris Huhne-oxford universityLooks pretty fair to me.Go to the right university...and you'll be fine!=============================Well this just suggests that a few rungs on the ladder required - "ideally university educated" as I can't see anyone with a HND in modern dance from Badger's Drift Community College, or that graduates from Nottingham, Durham, Warwick, Manchester etc go and get real jobs Tue 05 Oct 2010 09:59:05 GMT+1 Enny2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=97#comment821 How can Britain be equal society with the way child benefit has been cut, and Cheryl Cole rejected a good singer for a weaker weeping doll. Tue 05 Oct 2010 09:26:14 GMT+1 ColinWhinger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=97#comment820 Britain can never be a more equal society as long as for example: We insist on fixed quotas of gender or race in jobs etc, lunacy, only ability is what must count.We can never call ourselves equal or indeed a democracy while investigations into wrongdoings in the police force are investigated by the police, likewise in the legal, medical, parliament and many other professions. Tue 05 Oct 2010 08:53:04 GMT+1 BAmberGas http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=97#comment819 A poster said: Consider refugeesasylum seekers who want to reuturn to their own country to attend a wedding or religious ceremony.Well equality in their countries is obviously great as they want to return there despite coming here because they feared persecution.Oh dear it seems the cover has been blown! Tue 05 Oct 2010 08:25:19 GMT+1 musicman61 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=97#comment818 how can we be more equal when you go for interview your told but your english !!!!!! Tue 05 Oct 2010 08:03:06 GMT+1 eventpoets http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=97#comment817 Hurrah! At last one disabled person made an appearance, albeit brief, being interviewed by a non disabled presenter on BBC TV yesterday. So uncomfortable was Sue Barker with the fact that a paralympian was competing against non-disabled athletes that she felt she had to explain the paralympian's disability! Hope Sue is now going to disclose personal details from her own private life! Equality or what! Tue 05 Oct 2010 07:20:00 GMT+1 MrWonderfulReality http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=97#comment816 Prisoners in England and Wales should work a 40-hour week, Justice Secretary Ken Clarke is expected to say. Ministers are also considering building a large-scale "working prison" on the site of a factory, possibly a recycling plant. Mr Clarke's aim is for inmates in publicly-run prisons to work a 40-hour week, for which they would be paid the minimum wage, with part of their earnings going to victims. I think that the above policy is a more equal policy.Maybe Ken Clark & Torys have been reading my comments over a period in which I have suggested many times to build new prisons with recycling centres attatched to them.Thing is, if done CORRECTLY, the prisoners themselves can PAY for new prisons, or a large part of costs. A further thing is, is that such new prisons should have a ZERO DRUG TOLLERANCE. ANYONE found to be using drugs should be removed and put into a further new prison, which is basically HARD LABOUR, breaking rocks for road foundations or something.Anyone caught smuggling or being part of smuggling drugs into prison should receive an automatic 10 year MINIMUM sentence, any other smuggling into prison should receive a MINIMUM of 5 years.Yes, LETS MAKE SOCIETY MORE EQUAL, BY MAKING CONVICTS WORK and PAY for their crimes, to compensate victims and also pay their own incarceration costs.In ANY truely equal society, it is NONSENSICAL and TOTALLY immoral in EVERY RESPECT for good people to continuously pay for BAD PEOPLE. Tue 05 Oct 2010 07:13:41 GMT+1 Aneeta Trikk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=96#comment815 Do you know what is worse than the equality police? The anti-equality police.We can do without the both of them. There is rampant discrimination in society; there is rampant division; there is rampant nepotism; there is rampant cronyism; there is rampant inequality; there is rampant stupidity in attempts to kid us something is being done about any of it....You do not change attitudes by law; you change attitudes by action; by stopping the bad guys not temporarily but permanently. When society makes up its mind to change it does... Tue 05 Oct 2010 07:13:39 GMT+1 AndyC555 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=96#comment814 "757. At 9:32pm on 03 Oct 2010, Les Acres wrote:NO, it is not and anyone who thinks it is should be commited and anyone who says it is, is a liar. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, exactly what the Tories want. I am 64 years old and I have observed this all my life!"If you're 64, then between the ages of 51 and 64 you'd have been observing the "rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer" while the Labour party were in power. So why blame the Tories?Of course, the reality is that the rich have been getting richer and the poor have been getting richer too but not as quickly as the rich. Are you honestly trying to tell me that the standard of living for the working class hasn't gone up since you were born in 1946? Tue 05 Oct 2010 07:09:28 GMT+1 Dave http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=96#comment813 Having just done some interview shortlisting, and being told by my HR people i had to interview 'minority' candidates even if they didnt meet the education and experience shortlisting requirements for the job.I will now say YES, Britain is a more equal society. It now doesnt matter how good you are, experienced, reliable or educated you may not get an interview before someone who isnt any of those things just because they are a minority.Franky i dont care what their background is, i just want good, reliable staff who can do the job. I did think that was the reason for short listing interview candidates. Tue 05 Oct 2010 06:54:18 GMT+1 Eva Steinbeck http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=96#comment812 This post has been Removed Tue 05 Oct 2010 05:56:58 GMT+1 rightandjust http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=96#comment811 Equality? what the hell does that mean?There is never ever going to be true equlity.Equality presumes that everyone is treated the same which is nonsense.I see people who have no previous ties to this country being given preferential treatment in housing and benefits. I see a society in which the aged many who fought for this country being side stepped in favour of wasters and parasites. I see a country in which the national religion is stigmatised in favour of third world religions (cant upset the natives so ban christmas). I see a country where political correctness runs rife and allows in a patronising way for disabled people to become fire fighters who themselves resent such nonsense. I see a country where you cannot tell a joke without offending someone. Some of the best comedians are the Irish who tell jokes about the Irish and can laugh at themselves but dont tell the same jokes if you are not Irish.Harriet Harman is a muddled middle class public school educated do gooding type whose family still runs Harmans solictors in Canterbury who would like to see more women in parliament yet abandoned those beliefs to support her husband Jack Dromey a trade unon offical to stand in a labour safe seat. Equality Ms Harman?She does not speak for working class people and never has done. She is an opportunist and I should know. She's my local MP and I see so much inequality in Peckham that its mind blowing.People like me dont count only those who come into the community from outside.I am all for me and why not for it seems that almost everyone around me is the same and why not when equlity means what people like Ms Harman wants it to mean. Tue 05 Oct 2010 05:48:39 GMT+1 vexed voter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=96#comment810 Equality starts at school. If there are different standards of education between private, bog standard state school and slush funded state colleges then there will never be equality in society, in the work place or in retirement.Make it a level playing field and all will hae equal opportunities. Tue 05 Oct 2010 02:42:10 GMT+1 And_here_we_go_again http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=96#comment809 806. At 10:25pm on 04 Oct 2010, Cobbett_Rides_Again wrote:"Britain is now a far less equal society than it was thirty years ago -..."Firstly your following comment from the above quote has nothing to do with equality, secondly the above quote is completely untrue, Britain changed to provide far more equal opportunities in the past 30 years, the best universities will no longer reject you because of your accent, the colour of your skin, while still not completely equal is far less of a barrier than it used to be and for women the situation has improved drastically. I am was female satellite engineer and have just changed to a career in software, 30 years ago I would not have got a look in, and indeed my grandmother still often states "engineering? That's not a good job for a woman"I'm sorry if some of you white males (as an aside I am white) feel you are being discriminated against, but you are not, you just now have to compete with other people who are no longer being discriminted against quite as much Tue 05 Oct 2010 02:02:02 GMT+1 MrWonderfulReality http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=96#comment808 Yes, I think more people are actually equally cheesed off!!! Mon 04 Oct 2010 23:04:11 GMT+1 Peter Hodge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=95#comment807 England, more equality? Someone is joking. Let's see, if you are homosexual, Muslim, Immigrant (legal or illegal) etc. you will have the support of the authorities. But if you are white, male, heterosexual and a Christian, forget it. Also, if you are on benefits, you will be taken off them to be encouraged to find a job. Fair enough. Except the jobs have been given to immigrants and soon there will be a huge jump in the jobless as the cuts take effect. But never fear, the bankers will still get their huge bonusesAnd like dummies, we sit back and take it. Equality? My rear end!!!! Mon 04 Oct 2010 22:30:24 GMT+1 hypocracyrules http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=95#comment806 806. At 10:25pm on 04 Oct 2010, Cobbett_Rides_Again wrote:Britain is now a far less equal society than it was thirty years ago - which has been the intentional result of policies enforced by both Tory and New Labour Governments. Thirty years ago, I knew that If I lost my job I would not be starving, on the streets (or worse, in a "hostel"), I could retrain or further my education either free or at very modest rates, basic housing was reasonably affordable and, if you had children, one parent could usually afford to stay at home to look after them properly. I even knew that when I got to 65 I could retire with a pension that I could live on modestly but comfortably. It is time we reclaimed all of this from those who have taken it.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++I couldn't agree more. Mon 04 Oct 2010 21:50:48 GMT+1 Cobbett_Rides_Again http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=95#comment805 Britain is now a far less equal society than it was thirty years ago - which has been the intentional result of policies enforced by both Tory and New Labour Governments. Thirty years ago, I knew that If I lost my job I would not be starving, on the streets (or worse, in a "hostel"), I could retrain or further my education either free or at very modest rates, basic housing was reasonably affordable and, if you had children, one parent could usually afford to stay at home to look after them properly. I even knew that when I got to 65 I could retire with a pension that I could live on modestly but comfortably. It is time we reclaimed all of this from those who have taken it. Mon 04 Oct 2010 21:25:29 GMT+1 Glenn Willis http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=95#comment804 So, once again, the best person for the job will get passed over in favour of the one who 'ticks the most boxes'.Give me a break! Mon 04 Oct 2010 20:59:02 GMT+1 neonomad http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=95#comment803 Monarchies have subjects not citizens.Governments govern, but kings and queens rule. Mon 04 Oct 2010 20:56:15 GMT+1 Il Pirata http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=95#comment802 Is Britain more equal - Obviously not as a tiny proportion of the population still have most of the available wealth. Yes lesbians can have IVF due to their inherent infertility but that doesn't make anyone more equal just more ludicrus. Until we start to address real social and economic inequality not just idiotic nonsense that arises from people being naturally different then it will go round and round becoming ever more ridiculous. Mon 04 Oct 2010 20:30:59 GMT+1 Billythefirst http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=95#comment801 Absolutely - Bob Diamond can no longer claim child benefit (well, he wouldn't be able to if he had kids of the right age)! Mon 04 Oct 2010 19:54:46 GMT+1 NPG http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=95#comment800 No simplification of current legislation will bring equality in the work force, not while the people who actually do the work are subjugated by threats of loss of pension,job losses increased taxes, whilst those who make the descisions that bring the company to its knees get away with paying themselves unwarented bonus', golden handshakes, disproportionate pension arrangments and tax avoidance with the aid of smart arse accounts. Mon 04 Oct 2010 19:45:29 GMT+1 hypocracyrules http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=95#comment799 It's politcal correctness gone mad!Equality never happens in the real world. Adapt or learn to live with it. Mon 04 Oct 2010 19:37:34 GMT+1 mike ivybridge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=94#comment798 Equality? It doesn't work. The immortal parody of Animal Farm will always rear its ugly head, "All men are equal, but some are more equal than others". Mon 04 Oct 2010 19:36:51 GMT+1 Le Powerful http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=94#comment797 The company I work for has so many policies in place it's unbelievable. Treating people with dignity and equality is paramount. Having said this the CEO has just undertaken a pointless 'consultation' and decreed that we'll stop the Final Salary Pension scheme. The final salary scheme will stop but this hasn't stopped him funding his own pot to the tune of almost £1m a year on retirement.It's apparent to me that we are all equal but some are more equal than others. Mon 04 Oct 2010 18:00:36 GMT+1 middleenglander1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=94#comment796 Typical New labour nonsense, just like the human rights act, the only people to benefit would be their lawyer cronies, this will just make Britain a more litigious country, where we have to pander even further to minority interests even when they run contrary to common sense and fairness. Mon 04 Oct 2010 17:24:49 GMT+1 Inspector Green Pen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=94#comment795 No it does not make it better, especially where employment is concerned. Couple of examples.Age discrimination. HR departments, including the public sector, have worked out procedures to force older employees out, whilst staying within the law. Even worse, they make it part of a particular manager's target to get a result. It starts with giving someone with a good or excellent performance record an average on, on the basis that grades are being marked down overall. Next time around the grade is reduced further again. At the same time, targets are imperceptibly raised to favour a much younger employee. Next time you find you are failing. The whole thing is engineered to get you to either resign, take a lower wage, or retire early. Absolutely despicable. Oh, no mention of age in the entire process. If you dare to mention it it is struck off the minutes.Maternity LeaveSmall businesses, especially those who require skilled staff, do not employ women of child bearing age, on the basis that they have insufficient experience. Mon 04 Oct 2010 17:21:39 GMT+1 This is a colleague announcement http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=94#comment794 Well the pretty and witty will get invited to more parties than the plain and dull, the healthy will feel less pain than the sick, the tall will bang their heads more than the short, the clever will probably be paid more than the stupid and so on, much as ever.However, the rich, if that's what is meant, will continue to be able to afford court actions to assert their rights where the poor probably will not. As far as I can see legal costs have rocketed of late, as lawyers and doctors etc. think they should be paid too like bankers, so the poor are perhaps less likely than ever to get their day in court.So no. Mon 04 Oct 2010 16:54:38 GMT+1 RitaKleppmann http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=94#comment793 I demand equal rights for thinnies.My daughter-in-law weighs 50 kilos and is allowed 20 kilos luggage when she flies. Weight for the airline = 70 kilos.Other individuals weigh 80 kilos. With their allowance the airline is transporting 100 kilos. More luggage allowance for thinnies! Mon 04 Oct 2010 16:12:57 GMT+1 Ernesto G http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=94#comment792 'Is Britian a more equal society'How can we be when there is an unelected and unaccountable head of state?Equality starts at the top and means equal opportunity for all - with those that are qualified, able and (yes occaisionally) lucky - succeeding.Until merit, rather than accident of birth, is the only selection critria then we are a very unequal society. Mon 04 Oct 2010 16:11:36 GMT+1 mattock http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=94#comment791 I don't think this new 'combo law' will make much of a difference. To some extent, discrimination has gone the other way. It was difficult for a very long time for me, an English young male with no kids or disabilities to get a job as I was pushed aside to make way for women and ethnic minorities so a company could satisfy it's quota. Society should be meritocratic- the best person for the job. Mon 04 Oct 2010 16:08:03 GMT+1 The Bloke http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=93#comment790 //292. At 2:23pm on 01 Oct 2010, Norman Brooke wrote:More equal society/ That is pure fantasy. We are becoming more unequal by the day thanks to the free market who wants you to work till you drop while these parasites retire at 55 on cushy pensions.If anyone thinks we are more equal they need to visit thier local psychiatrist. Our stalinist system is based upon inequality.If we were an equal society we would have choice. We dont. Where is the choice of chosing to retire with state pension at 62, its going to be 66 and you can chose to work beyond that, but where is the choice to retire with state pension at 62 as they do in France?Our quality of life is collapsing under City terrorism and greed. BRITAIN IS ABOUT THE MOST UNEQUAL COUNTRY IN THE EU.//Yet people flock from many countries in the EU and beyond to get here....odd, eh.I know you people love to blame the City for everything, and to a certain extent, I'd agree. But the real problem with Britain is that conditions of the productive, private sector people who really make the economy work are under attack from - the City- the bloated, useless, tax-absorbing public sector- our crap education sytem and health service- the minorities-loving, anti 'hideously white' race relations industry- immigrants and minorities- benefits scroungersThe previous govt's cosying up to the City was bad, but the way it stole tax money to waste on the public sector, and the Kyle-watching job-dodgers, whilst flooding the country with immigrants to take jobs and force wages down, was what really wrecked the country.In effect, there was one 'right-wing' thing, but the real problem was all the stuff the left holds dear. Mon 04 Oct 2010 15:58:19 GMT+1 steve http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=93#comment789 Is Britain now a more equal society? The evidence shows that in the 17 years of Labour rule the gap between rich and poor became ever wider - a damning indictment of a supposedly caring government if ever there was one. Will the ConDems reverse the trend ? Don't make me laugh !-----------Clearly the standard of mathematics has dropped as Labour were the Government for 13 not 17 Years! Mon 04 Oct 2010 15:52:36 GMT+1 LoisUsher http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=93#comment788 What is so good about an equal society? Equality of opportunity yes, but not Communist type uniformity. Who wants that? Mon 04 Oct 2010 15:40:58 GMT+1 Chris http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=93#comment787 I wish legislation was not needed but business seems to be wedded to the idea of slave labour. Older people are the best at what they do unless physical limitations are involved but they are also more aware of when they are being put upon.One day the light will dawn and these laws will not be necessary but until that day it seems we need them. Mon 04 Oct 2010 15:25:16 GMT+1 Lucy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=93#comment786 Equality, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Mon 04 Oct 2010 15:23:59 GMT+1 Ian Jerram http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=93#comment785 We are a more equal society in the sense that we've all been reduced to the same level.The best advice I can give to my kids as they grow up is make sure you leave the UK at the earliest opportunity. Mon 04 Oct 2010 14:33:19 GMT+1 minsa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=93#comment784 I used to work for a manufacturer which went under when UNIX knocked out all the other minicomputer operating systems. I do not see how the management could have avoided what happened to the company. They were a competent enough bunch. Anyway there was this joke about the management - let us call the comapny XXX.XXX is an equal opportunity employer - no matter how incompetent you are, you can still rise to the top at XXX. Mon 04 Oct 2010 14:00:50 GMT+1 LardiusMaximus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=93#comment783 Much more equal since most of my money goes directly to folks who don't deserve it and didn't earn it. Maybe the question should be is the UK now a fairer place? No, it damn well is not. Mon 04 Oct 2010 13:04:36 GMT+1 Aneeta Trikk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=92#comment782 #778 Jim “for example the class system only continues to exist because we want it to; people continue to class themselves as Working class, middle class.”No, Jim, that is not wholly true. In my neck of the woods I can walk through the local ‘council’ estate, through the blocks of flats, use the stinking lifts (if they work). Is the lack of security encouraging people to escape, or more people to join in? However the ‘private estates’ are surrounded by seven foot walls topped with razor wire, gated, and pristine. Is the security keeping people in or keeping people out?We are divided by income, more steeply now than for perhaps sixty years. And it is getting worse not better. Mon 04 Oct 2010 13:04:09 GMT+1 ciconia http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=92#comment781 I understand the need to protect the employment rights of all.The difficulty is that not all employees are or can be equal in their ability to do the job or meet what the employer ideally wants. Employers do have to work within the conditions that are prescribed by legislation, but they cannot engineer situations and job roles to suit everybody that feels they have the right to a particular job.We are not equal, and no amount of legislation will change that, wealth, health, or opportunity. Mon 04 Oct 2010 12:28:35 GMT+1 Les Acres http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=92#comment780 NO. Mon 04 Oct 2010 11:18:57 GMT+1 Aged Citizen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=92#comment779 I saw a comment on the BBC website which asked "Can you live on £14,400?"well I am writing to tell you the answer is YES, but maybe it is NO for us scroungers who after 45+ years full time employment , including 10 years military service, find ourselves in our 60s dependant on benefits which total £4500 per annum excluding housing and council tax benefit (added in it comes to just under £9,500)When you are in full time employment one day and end up in a hospital theatre for an 8 hour operation the next, and your world and income disappears over-night , then your grateful for the crumbs handed out as benefits. But can you live on it , then the answer has to be NO-- you survive from financial crisis to financial crisis.Are we more equal ? not in my eyes, I worked all my life, so why don't I live on my savings I hear the "Haves" cry ,because when you work for 40 years on the basic minimum wage, you don't have savings -savings are things rich people earning £14,400 a year have (sarcasm).Whilst our parliament is stuffed with 60% of ex public school MPs who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo - then we will never get a more equal or just society.But, "we are all in it together", so when George cuts my crumbs by 25%, so he can minimise the effect for those on £100,000+ per year, i wont complain -- I wont have the strength too.... Mon 04 Oct 2010 10:38:04 GMT+1 eventpoets http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=92#comment778 Congratulations, No Deaf or disabled people were harmed in the making of any programmes shown on mainstream BBC yesterday (Sunday) as there weren't any! Mon 04 Oct 2010 10:23:31 GMT+1 Jim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=92#comment777 I think the world is an intrinsically unequal place - However I think we need to clarify what we're talking about when we say "equality"... Personally I think it's more relevant to say "Equal Opportunity". One other point I think should be made is that by constantly highlighting the differences between people & groups of people & in certain cases sensationalizing them, we make the problem of discrimination worse. for example the class system only continues to exist because we want it to; people continue to class themselves as "Working class", "middle class".To promote acceptance & integration of groups & people, we need to emphasize education about different religions, races, etc. This is the only way to eliminate the problem - there is plenty of legislation in place - we don't need any more. Mon 04 Oct 2010 10:20:29 GMT+1 Nyabinghi Chants http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=92#comment776 Me No Just Come Bout Yah ✇ A1.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CEjWrWaEAYMe Born and Grow Yah.......✇ B1.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq9kby61kro Mon 04 Oct 2010 10:14:23 GMT+1 lupus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=92#comment775 I'll believe we are more equal when anyone working class has any chance of becoming leader of the Labour party. Mon 04 Oct 2010 09:57:53 GMT+1 DibbySpot http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=92#comment774 This is a joke - have your say right?Britain has one of the most unequal societies on earth. No petty legislation will affect that. Only when those in "the establishment" understand that you cannot scam at the top and condemn at the bottom will there be change.The key example is "fairness" everyone is in favour yet even the latest child benefit issues institutionalise unfairness since the single earner household will lose out. Mon 04 Oct 2010 09:42:32 GMT+1 Raymond Hopkins http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=91#comment773 Why should a minority display talent when the rest of us cannot have it? There will be no true equality until prima ballerinas are obliged to dance in pit boots, beauty queens made to wear bags over their heads, artists blindfolded while at work, demagogues being forced into tongue clamps (though that may not be a bad idea)... make up your own, it's a rich field for the imagination. Mon 04 Oct 2010 09:36:57 GMT+1 The Ghosts of John Galt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=91#comment772 766. At 07:43am on 04 Oct 2010, Peter Bridgemont wrote:///I was just reading in the figures-world's highest social mobility, lowest income gap of any major country, top quality free health service, education that follows good practice, wide choice, funds alternatives, affordable after school activities, affordable public transport, best income-price differential for any large country, in the top ten for consumer protection, protection from defamation by press, from spurious lawsuits, freedom of legislature from business-banking lobbying, etc. So we don't look so bad. O, wait, sorry, I was reading the wrong column! That's Germany! O, no, ours don't appear so good after all.Seems we're the worst in the Western countries for most of these. But don't worry! If we stick to comparing ourselves with central Africa we look OK.///Indeed, one might suppose a nation of the rational would aspire to emulate the best, but alas our nation is infested by that disease which manifests itself in incompetence, moral bankruptcy and corruption. With the inevitable consequence that we seek to competing with the worse! To achieve the Zero by pursuing the irrational! And just read the comments confirms this nasty small little minded reality! Mon 04 Oct 2010 09:33:52 GMT+1 The Bloke http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=91#comment771 Labour made Britain much more unequal, with the BBC and the left in general cheering it on.With its racial discrimination in favour of foreigners and minorities, and its flooding the jobs market with immigrants, it encouraged low wages and high unemployment at the lower end of the jobs market.At the same time, Labour and the left were happy to plough money into welfare, encouraging the growth in welfare dependency.It's weird that the BBC actively, and dishonestly, cheered the govt on in all of this. Never mentioning the real effect of immigration and anti-white discrimination in the workplace. Never really questioning who the 'vulnerable' on welfare are. Teenage mums, feckless dads etc.Forget Iraq - Labour's legacy, and real mess it's left behind, is the welfare system and immigration. Mon 04 Oct 2010 09:06:20 GMT+1 Portman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=91#comment770 This law has some good bits which will help and some of those aspects that will lead to silly claims and press furore about PC gone mad. Generally it is for the good. It is focussed on the details of equality around personal difference though whilst entirely failing to address the greater picture.Britain is far from equal. The class system may well have changed in the last half century but it is still there and still massively powerful. In fact many aspects of legislation over the last ten years have actually made it worse on the equality front. This is particularly true with post school education where the notional equality of 50% in University served to damage equality intensely. Where once the State and Business invested in the future of our workforce at all levels from Binman to Surgeon, now we have to pay for it ourselves. We have seen the destruction of the benefits of the nation state and consequentially a post global version of inequality now stalks our streets. Mon 04 Oct 2010 08:48:54 GMT+1 Casitian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=91#comment769 while the monarchy still exists no equality for the country,s peopleis possiblewhat is called parliamentary democracy here is just a construct by the upper classes to fool the ordinary into thinking they have a say in the countries affairs.but still to maintain their power..they don,t have any say........ Mon 04 Oct 2010 08:43:33 GMT+1 Stanley James Hawkins http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=91#comment768 Is Britain now a more equal society? The evidence shows that in the 17 years of Labour rule the gap between rich and poor became ever wider - a damning indictment of a supposedly caring government if ever there was one. Will the ConDems reverse the trend ? Don't make me laugh ! Mon 04 Oct 2010 08:27:24 GMT+1 steve http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=91#comment767 I see the Robber Baron Osborne is proposing to strike again.The latest wheeze regarding child credit will mean that a Ward Sister in an NHS Hospital with 2 School age children(Hardly most peoples idea of a high earner) who sneaks into the 40% tax bracket by a few Pounds will lose the equivalent of 5% of their after tax income by this means at the same time as having pay frozen and NIC contributions increased. By 20013 this will leave this individual who is representative of hundreds of thousands in the public and private sector 15% WORSE OFF in real terms.For those captains of industry and indeed senior multi millionaire politicians like Messrs Cameron, Osbourne and Clegg this cut will result in a reduction of less than 0.25% one FOURTIETH of the impact on a hard working key worker.At the same time the Queen and other multimillionaire pensioners will still be entitled to claim their winter fuel allowance,free bus pass and free TV licence.Yet another example of the Condemned Government version of equality.Hopefully 5 Years will not be quite enough time for this shower of hypocrites to utterly ruin the country but they are obviously going to do their best. Mon 04 Oct 2010 07:53:33 GMT+1 The Ghosts of John Galt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=91#comment766 685. At 08:20am on 03 Oct 2010, Tony of Britain wrote:495. At 9:57pm on 01 Oct 2010, The Ghosts of John Galt wrote:Don't be daft, just go and examine the railway industry or police force! Institutionalised racism and discrimination on all manner of levels and the anti-intellectualism is also a major issue! Its quite disgraceful that 'small minded'very stupid people in positions of authority get away with it! It's blatantly obvious that this country is unequal by design! A population riddled with prejudice and 'bigoted old ladies' sitting behind desks and calling themselves company directors! ;-) Its almost a comical parody of inequality and discrimination! Even more hysterical because the 'law' means these idiots have to hide their foul 'beliefs'! Bonkers-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_He is right, there is a Black Police Association and I believe a Muslim Police association. If there was a White Police Association, you can bet that would not be allowed.-------------------------------------------------------------Well, here is one comment from 'Tony of Britain' (whatever that means) that clearly illustrated that at least on an intellectual level there can never be equality!!! Hohohoho Mon 04 Oct 2010 07:02:34 GMT+1 Peter Bridgemont http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=90#comment765 This post has been Removed Mon 04 Oct 2010 06:43:08 GMT+1 ruffled_feathers http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=90#comment764 "759. At 10:59pm on 03 Oct 2010, neonomad wrote:Britain, Isn't that where there is a royal family?"One of the countries that has a royal family, yes. Mon 04 Oct 2010 06:10:02 GMT+1 holly_bush_berry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=90#comment763 When it comes to ethnicity questionnaires anyone interested in equality should cross out all the choices and write "IRRELEVANT". Likewise people should refrain from giving a first name or title unless it is genderless. Dates of birth should be witheld, addresses, or indeed any personal details. Turn up; do your gig; prepare with suitable visual responses to potential employment questions.We should just 'audition' for jobs; live on reality TV; voted upon by a British public who haven't anything better, like a job, to do. The best 'acts' get a free holiday in a mudhut before having a 'filmed' trial employment.... Mon 04 Oct 2010 04:27:00 GMT+1 MellorSJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=90#comment762 Hull is outside the UK?Who knew? Mon 04 Oct 2010 04:20:07 GMT+1 holly_bush_berry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=90#comment761 #723 ruffled_feathersIt'll come as a surprise to you ruffled, I do know, but the FSA has no jursidiction outside the UK.... Mon 04 Oct 2010 04:11:03 GMT+1 Droo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=90#comment760 A happy workfoce is a productive workforce. There is no such thing as equality,and their never will be. Inequality is the basic requirement of capatalism Mon 04 Oct 2010 03:09:36 GMT+1 Kevin Orr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=90#comment759 757. At 9:32pm on 03 Oct 2010, Les Acres wrote:"NO, it is not and anyone who thinks it is should be commited and anyone who says it is, is a liar. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, exactly what the Tories want. I am 64 years old and I have observed this all my life! I can't wait to get out of it, I have waited and worked all my life to see some sort of improvement but there is none and now their will not be with schoolboy, theoretical politics. I am physically crippled by a stroke and my incapacity benefit does not even pay the rent!"----------------------------------------------------------------Problem is, Les, most people in Britain are incredibly stupid and believe the Sun and the Daily Mail. Many are just bigotted and overpaid rich tories, (so they have no excuse).Witness all the anti-union bile once the strikes start.This HYS will be foaming with hatred.Good luck Les, I wish you well Sun 03 Oct 2010 22:22:25 GMT+1 neonomad http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=90#comment758 Britain, Isn't that where there is a royal family? Sun 03 Oct 2010 21:59:27 GMT+1 KarenZ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=90#comment757 Britain is not a more equal society by any stretch of the imagination. New legislation will not stop discrimination against Brits. Sun 03 Oct 2010 21:27:58 GMT+1 Les Acres http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=89#comment756 NO, it is not and anyone who thinks it is should be commited and anyone who says it is, is a liar. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, exactly what the Tories want. I am 64 years old and I have observed this all my life! I can't wait to get out of it, I have waited and worked all my life to see some sort of improvement but there is none and now their will not be with schoolboy, theoretical politics. I am physically crippled by a stroke and my incapacity benefit does not even pay the rent! Sun 03 Oct 2010 20:32:41 GMT+1 Billythefirst http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=89#comment755 #754 :Duress and manipulation are the stock in trade tools of many businesses - unpaid overtime, extra responsibility and ultra flexibility represent the expected norm nowadays. Sun 03 Oct 2010 19:59:24 GMT+1 reflector2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=89#comment754 New rules aimed at banning discrimination by employers, covering areas such as age, disability and pay, have come into force. Will these rules make Britain fairer?Oh yes!! As about as fair as giving out disabled passes and having some 'disabled' person running over to you in a supermarket carpark and having a go at you for parking in one of the 'designated' spaces when all, but theirs are vacant!!Funny old world is it not!! Sun 03 Oct 2010 18:46:11 GMT+1 wvpTV http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=89#comment753 One big equality problem is the abuse of lower ranking (by title) employees who actually do a higher rank job for low rank pay, it's hidden by the job title.This form of abuse is common place.Will the changes sort this out? Sun 03 Oct 2010 18:08:24 GMT+1 Itsallgreek2me http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=89#comment752 741. At 3:26pm on 03 Oct 2010, AndyC555 wrote:736 - "Andy, we are going round in circles here and you seem to be getting confused."No, you're not answering the points I've made.And to confirm what I said earlier, you just want a pointless argument about semantics, so you want to leave the real world and descend into the safety of a dictionary. Everyone knows what advantage means. You're the only one that says and advantage for one automatically means a disadvantage for another.So, as I say, who has been disadvanatged by J K Rowling? Some 'mythical' author who might have written the Harry Potter books? Not in any real world but perhaps in yours.There's no point debating this further. You carry on thinking the world is all about it being "unfair" because for every good thing in life, someone's having a bad thing. I'll stick to a more positive outlook.--------------------------------------------------------------I think you're probably right that there is little point debating with you further. You fail to understand the meaning of basic english words like advantage and you make assumptions about what I may or may not be doing for others, what I believe about fairness, and even how positive or otherwise my disposition is without any evidence whatsoever. I might as well be banging my head against a brick wall, but as my final effort I will share the definition of advantage I just looked up on Oxford Dictionary online especially for you. Apparently the word is derived from the French 'avant' meaning 'in front' i.e. a relative position. You can only be in front of something else and that something else therefore must be behind.Anyway, here's the definition and keep trying... advantage (ad¦van|tage)Pronunciation:/ədˈvɑːntɪdʒ/noun * a condition or circumstance that puts one in a favourable or superior position:companies with a computerized database are at an advantage she had an advantage over her mother's generation * [mass noun] the opportunity to gain something; benefit or profit:you could learn something to your advantage he saw some advantage in the proposal * a favourable or desirable feature:the village's proximity to the town is an advantage * Tennisa score marking a point interim between deuce and winning the gameverb[with object] * put in a favourable or superior position Sun 03 Oct 2010 16:41:21 GMT+1 citizen42 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=89#comment751 NOW!when dave and is mob are in charge,i dont think so.have we EVER been a society of equals?the truthfull answer is no.look at the school system and tell me this is a society based on equality.health is this an area of equality NO!housing NO! the list goes on and on and on.the only thing we all share equaly is our right to vote,and boy did the people who suffered from the injustice of inequality have to fight to attain that.i believe our lack of progress in pursute of equality is our reticence to revolution our history proves this,we did not cheer when the kings head rolled we groaned,it's our nature it is what being british is all about,thats why it's taking so long to attain it.. Sun 03 Oct 2010 16:19:47 GMT+1 Nyabinghi Chants http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=89#comment750 New Laws banning discrimination allowing equal opportunities is kind of meaningless when there aren't jobs available in the current market... just like implementing Banking Regulations is a bite late when there is no investment or money in the current markets.Blue sky jobs are nice and keep bums off the streets and out of jail in a job, and maybe one day they might even make an improvement to peoples lives.. just like trickle down economics might Sun 03 Oct 2010 16:16:18 GMT+1 MilesTegg http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=89#comment749 Equality will be pursued by the same suspects until someone suggests that we should all pay the same taxes, then they'll remember that it's ok to discrimate against those that make a contribution to society in favour of those state dependants who do not. The agenda is one of state dependancy, one day we'll wake up and realise that we can't think without big red brother telling us what to think. No scratch that, once it's too late we won't even know that it is too late. Seems we may be there already when this PC nonsense is accepted as right. In 50 years at work I've never once come across a woman paid less than a man for the same job. Quite the reverse, they take years off to have children and still maintain step with their male collegues by playing the discrimation card. Good for Diane Abbott, shouldnt the labour party have elected a black woman to be leader by default, at least she isnt crying fowl. Sun 03 Oct 2010 16:09:37 GMT+1 U14552020 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=88#comment748 · 747. At 3:44pm on 03 Oct 2010, AndyC555 wrote: 740 - "And I don't suppose it's occurred to the unemployed in the north that there IS an alternative to sitting around waiting for money from the employed in the south to be diverted to them.######################### And that would be?########################## Bet he says, “Get a Job”"I agree it's a bit radical, suggesting to the unemployed that they look for a job.Let me guess what your solution is......"keep blaming Thatcher and carry on claiming benefits"?####################### My solution is not to make another 500,000 people redundant, nationalise all utilities, Transport, failed banks and the rest of the assets that have disappeared into the lets get rich quick private sector.Control the interest rate for loans; after all they are our banks.Start to put the country back on its feet my using our returned assets to provide employment.I keep blaming Thatcher correct, with good reason, and I will carryon running my business to provide myself with a living, instead of blaming the less fortunate, the unemployed, single mothers, the disabled, the infirm and pensioners for the country’s illsA bit radical actually helping to provide employment for people instead of trampling over them Sun 03 Oct 2010 15:11:25 GMT+1 Billythefirst http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=88#comment747 734. At 3:02pm on 03 Oct 2010, AndyC555 wrote:726 - "The point that I was trying to convey was that Lord A has no one to blame but himself for the adverse publicity he received."To an extent I agree. Should have come clean from the start. All sorts of families use legitimate tax planning, whether IHT or non-Dom status, to avoid tax.----------------------------------------------------------------------Oh I see, my mistake - Mike's just a regular kind of guy just trying to make ends meet - not a question dodging offshore billionaire with a very active team of lawyers... Sun 03 Oct 2010 14:45:00 GMT+1 AndyC555 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=88#comment746 740 - "And I don't suppose it's occurred to the unemployed in the north that there IS an alternative to sitting around waiting for money from the employed in the south to be diverted to them.######################### And that would be?########################## Bet he says, “Get a Job”"I agree it's a bit radical, suggesting to the unemployed that they look for a job.Let me guess what your solution is......"keep blaming Thatcher and carry on claiming benefits"? Sun 03 Oct 2010 14:44:51 GMT+1 U14552020 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=88#comment745 · 738. At 3:19pm on 03 Oct 2010, AndyC555 wrote: 735 - "And I don't suppose it's occurred to the unemployed in the north that there IS an alternative to sitting around waiting for money from the employed in the south to be diverted to them.######################### And that would be?"-------------------------Good grief, so now you want the south to set up employment agencies for those in the north? Do they have no inspiration of their own? Why not just get those in the south to do the jobs FOR those in the north and just drop off the wages at opening time on a Friday?Do you think everyone who has a job had it posted to them?People keep saying there's 'only' 500,000 vacancies and 2.5 million unemployed. So? 500,000 jobs and 2 million opportunities to become self-employed. Might be ambitious but better than your response which seems to be "oh, well, never mind, there's nothing to be done, let's not bother, Oprah's on in a minute"######################## Couldn’t fail could it.Don’t you read the news, or see it on the TV; it’s on after Oprah.Here is the highlight from the last 2 years, there are no Jobs Sun 03 Oct 2010 14:44:49 GMT+1 Nyabinghi Chants http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=88#comment744 Actually businesses are shutting down all the southern operations en masse relocating up north.. albeit offering much lower salaries.Businesses don't need to be located in prime retail estate locations using new technologies they can easily send fire down the wire all over the world virtually Sun 03 Oct 2010 14:41:03 GMT+1 U14582450 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=88#comment743 · 738. At 3:19pm on 03 Oct 2010, AndyC555 wrote: 735 - "And I don't suppose it's occurred to the unemployed in the north that there IS an alternative to sitting around waiting for money from the employed in the south to be diverted to them.######################### And that would be?"-------------------------Good grief, so now you want the south to set up employment agencies for those in the north? Do they have no inspiration of their own? Why not just get those in the south to do the jobs FOR those in the north and just drop off the wages at opening time on a Friday?Do you think everyone who has a job had it posted to them?People keep saying there's 'only' 500,000 vacancies and 2.5 million unemployed. So? 500,000 jobs and 2 million opportunities to become self-employed. Might be ambitious but better than your response which seems to be "oh, well, never mind, there's nothing to be done, let's not bother, Oprah's on in a minute"####################### You say it yourself, but you can’t see it.Oprah, very apt Sun 03 Oct 2010 14:40:30 GMT+1 Scottish Davie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=88#comment742 Is Britain now a more equal society? Not if you are a white, heterosexual male. Sun 03 Oct 2010 14:39:10 GMT+1 Nyabinghi Chants http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/10/is_britain_now_a_more_equal_so.html?page=88#comment741 This post has been Removed Sun 03 Oct 2010 14:36:26 GMT+1