Comments for en-gb 30 Thu 28 May 2015 05:57:39 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at Hunuman Here is the situation people. The government of the day has only one goal in mind and that is to tax the smurfs-surfs(a.k.a. us the people)from cradle to grave. Therefore all the bleating and wringing of hands will not make one iota of difference. The only way for the people to get their message across is to take to the streets and demonstrate against the government and their unfair taxing of the sick. I bet you if this country were more like their French cousins things would be a lot better in this country. However, the British are brainwashed into believing that the powers to be know best and like sheep they merrily skip along to the slaughter house; also known as rip off Britain!! Sun 19 Sep 2010 09:38:58 GMT+1 1stTopic Yes, Hospital parking charges should be dropped, this is a tax on the sick, and I would like to think that the coalition is more compassionate than the disgraced NuLabour Sun 19 Sep 2010 07:53:52 GMT+1 gymreject It will be interesting to see how many MPs have or are claiming the cost of parking at Hospital on their expenses? But will we do anything about it? of course we will not. Sun 19 Sep 2010 07:28:43 GMT+1 U14529784 My local hospital has a pay and display system and so you have to feed the meter BEFORE you go into the hospital.But how long are you going to be?It is to the hospital's benefit for you to be kept waiting so that you either have to put in enough money to last you for the rest of the day - or get a ticket from the vultures who continually prowl round the car park.Last time I went in for a short appointment I put in for 3 hours, was 4 hours and ended up with a £60 ticket.Use local on-street parking? The nearest on street parking is three quarters of a mile away. However I have severe walking difficulties - and the few blue badge places are all taken- usually by the able bodied using the dear departed's badge The only alternative is the local supermarket but that has a 2 hour limit before you get clamped!As many others have said parking fees at hospitals are immoral and unjustifiable! Imposed by New Labour (Tory) and backed by New Tory (ConDem-ed)They're both the same! Sun 19 Sep 2010 07:06:53 GMT+1 MDSCUSTOMS To quote the opening part of this article "Parking is already free at most hospitals in Scotland and Wales and for certain priority groups in Northern Ireland" It is certainly not free here in North Wales, having paid to visit both my Mother & Father in the last 2 years. My Local Hospital is miles from any other form of conveniences like shopping centres etc so why should I be paying for the privilege to visit a sick relative in hospital, it's not as if I am leaving the car there to do a whole day's jolly somewhere else !!Cut the NHS Managers for a start - there are far too many of them, the best managers are the actual nursing staff !! Sun 19 Sep 2010 02:34:21 GMT+1 Spindoctor Part of the problem is that we do not actually own a lot of our Hospitals, they were procured under the PFI scheme, that means that a Main Contracor has built them and then we pay rent to use them (we as in the tax payer).The Contractor has to provide and maintain the Hospital and all the grounds, car parks etc from the fee structure agreed at the time of the contract. In a lot of cases this was to reduce the fees paid by us. The parking is charged for and provides a revenue stream to enable the contractor to fulfill the contract. If the parking charges were removed or capped to such a low rate, then the Contractor could rightly expect a variation (increase) to his fees.The last Gov' took the decision to build Hospitals (and Schools) under PFI contracts to avoid having to spend huge amounts of public money at the outset, and to pay for the cost over the lifetime of the building. Unfortunately that means we do not own them and never will.This has turned out to be one VERY expensive mistake, as it would have been cheaper to borrow the money and repay a loan at current rates than to continue locked into 25 or more yrs of a contract that has price escalation built in. Sat 18 Sep 2010 23:02:58 GMT+1 Johns the Man Car parking charges for hospitals in England are to remain in place, the coalition government has announced. Should hospitals charge for parking?They should never have been instigated in the first place! Sat 18 Sep 2010 22:30:44 GMT+1 EBAYTKMAX I don't know how much hospital parking is, as I have never paid it! I park 4 streets away & walk.My friend's son was attacked & his mum had to sleep at the hospital for a few nights ( a place not in the hospital but where familes close to those intensive care could be near) & it cost her over a hundred pounds! To have her car there day & night....It should be free. If you have someone in intensive care that last thing you want is a huge car parking bill too!I drove the works van & was told in the hospital car park, the disabled badge meant nothing, we had to pay, well work did.... Sat 18 Sep 2010 22:01:27 GMT+1 Rupert Smyth 194. At 8:49pm on 18 Sep 2010, Grasshopper wrote:Yes, drop it. A hospital is a place to cure and make people better, not try and make money!I agree!Our PM, however, doesn't want to.Well, he IS a Tory!------------------------------------------And the party before him who introduced it was LabourAnd having introduced it they didn't drop it.And the current PM would like to drop it but Labour before departing left him a funny note saying they had spent all the money so we now the country is diving around trying to find pennies. Sat 18 Sep 2010 20:39:27 GMT+1 Grasshopper Yes, drop it. A hospital is a place to cure and make people better, not try and make money!I agree!Our PM, however, doesn't want to.Well, he IS a Tory! Sat 18 Sep 2010 19:49:07 GMT+1 David Horton Parking fees per se, aren't a huge issue.What is the problem is that there is such disparity in the amount.When SWMBO was duffed with our second, we were referred to Kings London. Fifteen quid for a bit over an hour.And when my son went to Guys?Twenty quid because the hospital was running behind time.Urban hospitals fleece people under the myth of "incentivising us to public transport."Utter effluent.Because of labour's centralise and specialise policy, you could be referred to a hospital which is fifty miles away. There maybe public transport near Kings and Guys, but not where we live. Also, would you let your wife, seven months pregnant travel fifty miles on trains, tubes and buses?If you must charge for parking, standardise the charges, and make it available only for patients, staff and proven visitors. It isn't beyond the wit of man to prove that someone has genuine business at a hospital. Sat 18 Sep 2010 19:11:49 GMT+1 C Beaven How can anyone forget Gordon Brown's argument at the time of the fuel crisis exactly a decade ago against that the increased taxes on fuel means that there will be more nurses, teachers and other public servants. Originally the whole concept of fuel duty is that the money raised along with the road tax gets re-invested back into the roads.Only a complete and utter fool would honestly believe that the money raised from hospital parking charges actually all goes back into the hospital. It is just another stealth tax introduced by Gordon Brown which the coalition government uses the argument to not to scrap it to help pay off the national debt.There is obviously some truth about the hung parliament we had back in May following the general election. Politicians of all parties can not be trusted and lost the mandate or authority to govern on their own. Sat 18 Sep 2010 18:06:34 GMT+1 Steph Why is it England never gets anything free, but Scotland and Wales do?! In all honesty there is a much bigger problem. The NHS was a great idea (national treasure...I get it already), but these days its a monster out of control. Does anyone have visibility of where any of the billions go? Every month I pay and yet I get the worst service from GPs and receptionists that have bad days whenever I ring for an appointment. (Don't even mention A&E...)I still end up paying for prescriptions? What is the point? Dissolve the NHS already and break out something new that actually works. Make me pay a subsidised amount. Anything. I'm pretty sick of each government making promises that they just cannot keep. The NHS ends up getting a new fancy business analyst and then silence follows in his/her wake. It's pathetic. Sat 18 Sep 2010 18:00:38 GMT+1 Le Powerful Having paid almost £100 on car parking at the hospital since my mum was admitted in June a resolute yes. Particularly as the hospital is nowhere near a Town Centre or anywhere that would be anything other than for hospital visitors.The money doesn't even go to the NHS. This is a privately run car park that made the owner £8,000,000 last year. With myself, my brother, Aunt, Uncles and dad also visiting from one family they've made almost £400. It makes me sick to my stomach that people are prepared to profit from the desperation and misery of others. They have no scruples, morals or conscience.I wrote to my MP and it fell on deaf ears. No shock there then! Sat 18 Sep 2010 17:57:32 GMT+1 mildenhalljohn Charges for hospital parking are wrong, but it would appear that the NHS needs every penny it can get. When money is saved by denying foreigners medical treatment and eliminating non emergency treatment such as sex changes and obesity surgery, then there will possibly a chance that these charges can be abolished. Sat 18 Sep 2010 15:08:57 GMT+1 Doozie THE GENERAL QUESTION SHOULD BE DO WE WANT TO MAKE PEOPLE'S LIFE EASY (HAPPIER)TRY TO GET A TICKET ON A WINDY FROSTY DAY FROM THE MACHINE;IN AND OUT OF THE CAR ;WASTE OF TIME AND UNNECESSARYLIKE TOLL MOTORWAYS ;STOP GET THE CHANGE, PAY,GET TICKET:TOTALLY UNNECESSARY DEFEATING THE OBJECT OF GOING FASTER AND SAVE TIMEIT'S MUCH EASIEAR TO PUT ON INCOME TAX . Sat 18 Sep 2010 14:18:46 GMT+1 Pugin Paying to park in hospitals is abhorrent.Hospitals that are in locations that would offer attractive free parking to people that have no legitimate hospital business should take security measures to prevent misuse.Hospitals that are out of the town, should remove the ticket machines.The hospital, its staff and services are paid for by the tax payer, ie: The customer.Requesting payment to park is just an insult, personally the people of this country should just ignore the machines, they are an idol to greed and of no moral justification to people visiting the hospital, sometimes more than once per day, every day.Come on Cameron don't be a party to this rip off, prove your more of a man than Bliar, Brown and the Labour crime family ! Sat 18 Sep 2010 14:12:00 GMT+1 st-george1 If it were free to one and all, those genuinely wishing to visit hospitals to see their family or friends would in my view be unable to park there because it has already been filled with town centre workers or shoppers cars wanting to save a few £s.I would have thought that the majority of visitors are of the age where they have free bus pass to hitch a ride to the front door of the hospital or no car at all.Why have these moaners waited 13 years to complain ? Sat 18 Sep 2010 14:09:53 GMT+1 Rupert Smyth 184. At 1:52pm on 18 Sep 2010, corum-populo-2010 wrote:What is ALWAYS clear and available to front-line medical/nursing staff/ancillary before 8.30am and after 4pm on weekdays is swathes of parking space when all admin and management are still asleep/or 'on their way', or have long gone home.Plus, on weekends and bank holidays too. A hectare of parking for front-line staff with not a single admin/management vehicle in sight. Strange that, don't you think? ----------------------------------------------------------Unnecessarily large numbers of managment spend their days irritating, harrasing and micro managing harassed front line staff who are trying to get on with the job throughout the entire public sector. However, some would have us believe there is no room for cuts. That might be true as regards the front line but as you say above .... Sat 18 Sep 2010 13:37:44 GMT+1 corum-populo-2010 What is ALWAYS clear and available to front-line medical/nursing staff/ancillary before 8.30am and after 4pm on weekdays is swathes of parking space when all admin and management are still asleep/or 'on their way', or have long gone home.Plus, on weekends and bank holidays too. A hectare of parking for front-line staff with not a single admin/management vehicle in sight. Strange that, don't you think? Sat 18 Sep 2010 12:52:03 GMT+1 Brian Berlin " B Anderson wrote: In a 'free' NHS there should be no parking charges or prescription charges.However, to get anything 'free' under Blair and Brown's socialist regime you had to be a layabout with no job.Let's hope that now decent working people will actually get a free NHS."Can you even read? The story says: 'The previous Labour administration had said it wanted to make parking free for in-patients and regular out-patients. But the coalition says there are better uses of public money than scrapping car parking charges.'Do try harder. Sat 18 Sep 2010 12:47:03 GMT+1 Brian Berlin More Tory lack of empathy. Of course they themselves mainly don't use public hospitals, and get dropped outside, and picked up from, private clinics in rather expensive cars. This is not to say that hospital parking should necessarily be free, but rather that it should be dealt with sympathetically, properly, and with imagination, and this might include it being free. But you'll never get the Cons to be able to imagine that the small amount raked in by parking at hospitals is less important than ill peoples' well-being. 'Ill? People? Well-being? Ha ha, triples all round; it's OK, I'm not driving, the wife's picking me up in the Bentley.' Sat 18 Sep 2010 12:44:01 GMT+1 killerdalek If a charge must be made for hospital car parking, it must be revenue-neutral. Making a profit would be unethical, exploitative and immoral! Sat 18 Sep 2010 12:35:58 GMT+1 Gruffydd ap Llywelyn Should hospital parking charges be dropped?One word... Yes Sat 18 Sep 2010 12:29:15 GMT+1 deanoburnett Yes, drop it. A hospital is a place to cure and make people better, not try and make money! Sat 18 Sep 2010 11:36:05 GMT+1 locust as someone who has designed quite a few hospitals in the uk (architect) - i think parking charges should be tripledthe land wasted on parking is a drain on nhs resourcesthere are today superb public transport links to hospitals - sadly most visitors are too idle to use them and want to park at the 'front door'free parking for a&e patients together with the genuine disabled, those receiving dialysis/chemo etc etcbecause of various 'problems' i visit nhs hospitals frequently and see the wanton abuse of parking facilitiesIF i had designed a hospital with 5000 parking spaces - they would still be fulland btw the number of parking spaces is not the architects choice but the govt's before you start on me - LOL!! Sat 18 Sep 2010 11:33:56 GMT+1 Quirkas My partner was in a general hospital for 4 months and I visited everyday for between 4 and 6 hours with parking if I had paid at £2.40 per hour. No way I could afford that so I parked free on a street as close as I could and staggeerd there carrying all the stuff he needed, clothes, drinks, books and supplementary food. Great fun, all after working all day as well. The other cost was the £5.00 per 24 hours for the TV, even without parking the whole episode cost me £'000,s. The care he had though was brilliant. Sat 18 Sep 2010 11:15:00 GMT+1 The Freckle Faced Ginger Englishman Post 171.This is the sort of mentality we are up against.What about visitors?My mother spent 11 weeks in hospital 3 years ago, I couldn't even start to work out the cost to family and friends.And why when you own a car should you pay again for other means of transport?I cant believe anyone could support these charges for anyone using an hospital. Sat 18 Sep 2010 11:08:53 GMT+1 The Freckle Faced Ginger Englishman Absolutely disgusting that anyone using the hospital should pay for parking.I'm old enough and wise enough to know governments will tax anything they see as easy money.And don't use the excuse its to stop shoppers, because there are plenty of ways to get around that.Anyway our hospital is miles away form the city centre, yet they still charge.These people who make these decisions are despicable, making money from people at a stressful time in most cases. Sat 18 Sep 2010 10:58:40 GMT+1 Sue Doughcoup As an infrequent car user I don't want to see my taxes being squandered on car parking maintenance for the idle who can't be bothered to walk or get public transport. Instead, my taxes should be used for patient care. If car users want the convenience of cars then they should pay for the privilege. Sat 18 Sep 2010 10:51:11 GMT+1 B Anderson In a 'free' NHS there should be no parking charges or prescription charges. However, to get anything 'free' under Blair and Brown's socialist regime you had to be a layabout with no job.Let's hope that now decent working people will actually get a free NHS. Sat 18 Sep 2010 10:34:26 GMT+1 David Windsor Yes the parking charges should be scrapped. They are simply unfair, and a substitute for NHS funding issues that are caused by its own inefficiency inside and outside the hospital. Mind you this is liable to result in some rather attractive parking being made available in areas that might be attractive to people with nothing to do with the hospital, or beyond the point at which parking is necessary for hospital business, or indeed for hospital staff where the Trust might be reluctant to provide them with a free workplace parking space. I'm always staggered when I turn up at my local NHS hospital early in the day- before visiting and before outpatient clinics have started- to find so many cars in the carpark, from which I conclude that a lot of people are using the patients carpark when they shouldn't, even when they have to pay. If the ticket machines were simply to be removed then I could imagine that it would always be full, 24/7, and that patients and visitors would rarely get a place.There are several ways around this but they'd require a system to be operated and a person or two to run it. So no grand gestures please, it needs some thought. Sat 18 Sep 2010 09:41:10 GMT+1 Johnnybgood All Hospital STAFF should be exempt from vehicle parking charges of any kind.As for in-patients. Why the heck would you use your car to go to hospital when you KNOW you are being kept in. The trusts run collection and return vehicles on your behalf.I go to hospital five times a year for treatment - which is a three week stay on each occasion - and I always arrange transport via my local GP.This also works for those out-patients who require help to get to their said hospital.As for visitors...................stop moaning and buy the ticket, or use public transport. Sat 18 Sep 2010 09:14:51 GMT+1 Jim Stone The trouble is, most hospitals are in city centres. So if they don't charge, selfish people would park there to avoid parking in the usual places. I therefore understand the benefit of charging.That said, perhaps out-patients or those visiting people in hospital could get their parking validated when they can prove they are there legitimately? Sat 18 Sep 2010 09:02:49 GMT+1 Confuciousfred Car park charges at hospital rank the same in my mind as grave robbing. You have had to go to hospital to visit someone who is ill, and if it is someone close, the last thing you want to think about is when have I overstayed the meter.The problem is shoppers who are unhappy to pay parking fees in the town clog the hospital car parks which are then not available for hospital patients and visitors. Sat 18 Sep 2010 08:56:55 GMT+1 domthegrumpyoldman Why do people insist on calling it FREE. Nothing is free. It is simply the cost is met by someone else. Private Hospitals charge the insurance company who pass it on to the premiums paid by the "patient". If the NHS or PCT pays then it’s less money in the pot for patient care. If its government owned then it comes directly from the taxes. None of it is fair on everyone. The closest you can get is paying directly to rent the space your car takes up while its there, i.e. parking fees Sat 18 Sep 2010 07:46:41 GMT+1 domthegrumpyoldman To everyone who wants free parking I would like to ask who pays for the land, the maintenance and if necessary the building of multi storey car parks. THE NHS OF COURSE you will all answer. So the people who do not drive, use public transport, or get a lift would not have their hip replaced etc, because there would be insufficient nursing staff, lack of facilities and fewer doctors. The money would be spent on the car parking facilities used mainly by businesses, residents and shoppers local to the hospital. When will state spongers get it through their thick skulls that its been too good for too long. We are a small country whose population as a whole do not work hard enough to produce sufficient to live on lwt alone get everything for free. If you can afford a car then find the parking fee and stop complaining.There is one solution that may be cheap to administer once it was set up and that would be a free parking ticket produced at the same time as the appointment letter just for that day or even just for the appointment time (plus and minus a bit). If its cancelled then cancel the issued ticket so it would not be accepted at the entry barrier. You could even include the date of birth as a pin number to avoid fraud or check the appointments database before allowing entry. The parking fees for people without a ticket would have to be quadrupled to cover the costs of parkingIf the "free parkers" would like to donate to a fund to get this off the ground then please send you money to..... Sat 18 Sep 2010 07:32:25 GMT+1 PeteBristol One of the problems in this country is people forcing things on others that they are not prepared to take on themeselves. The most galling thing at my local hospital - where I have long given up trying to park - are all the free parking spaces for hospital executives. If they want me to pay, they should pay too. Likewise MPs rule on this but how much do they pay to park at Westminster - nothing. Once again a law for the rich and a law for the rest of us. Sat 18 Sep 2010 06:15:56 GMT+1 steve butler Richard Sweeney wrote:"I have a solution that should work all around. Have the patients validate parking!Someone comes to visit their loved one in hospital. They park their car and get a ticket from the machine. They then visit their loved one and at the same the patient stamps their ticket to prove that they actually visited someone in the hospital and didn't just park there and swan off to the bingo."I am does someone who is in a coma, or the ITU, or recovering from major surgery, "stamp a ticket"?You are joking, right? Or is this yet another task for the nurses to do?? Sat 18 Sep 2010 05:40:50 GMT+1 Enny2012 Yes! That thing they called, slow and steady that wins the race. Sat 18 Sep 2010 00:14:46 GMT+1 Enny2012 Hospital Parking charges should be dropped without any further delay. It is morally wrong to add more to the pains of those using it. Remember, hospital car parks are not shopping centre, football stadium nor cinema. Sat 18 Sep 2010 00:12:57 GMT+1 worried canary It's generally accepted that patients who receive visitors usually fare better. Added to that, when I have visited people, I have been able to fetch and carry for them instead of bothering the staff. I have no problem paying a parking fee as there are security staff in attendance. However, the charges are exorbitant. Fri 17 Sep 2010 23:13:43 GMT+1 benevolentbroadmind Unfortunately thi goverment has forgotten their claims and promisses.Car parking and traffic penalties are the worst conn acts ever brought foreward by he goverment, councils and hospitals, London transport, police etc.T feel they are acting as Sheriff of Nottingham and we need a Robin Hood.supposedly electerote. Stilk that desn't seem to be the solution because we the people can only elect the among the chosen ones. Fri 17 Sep 2010 23:06:11 GMT+1 chiptheduck Disgraceful.But in Scotland and Wales it's free! Isn't that racial discrimination? Fri 17 Sep 2010 23:01:53 GMT+1 ruffled_feathers "151. At 10:01pm on 17 Sep 2010, Mick Hodd wrote:Hospital car parking charging was introdudced by the Tories when they when Thacher was in power. I said I would never vote Conserative again as I think it is the lowest of the low thing to have done. Private hospitals do not charge of course."And Labour didn't reverse this because....? Fri 17 Sep 2010 22:06:08 GMT+1 joleon1 Hospital parking charges were the invention of a previous Tory government and the last Labour government was working towards totally getting rid of them ..This Tory/Libdem coalition has decided to keep the charge lets get it right where the blame lies...strictly with the Tories and partially with the libdems ....Now that that is clear let it also make it clear that free parking should only be for visitors to the hospital to visit sick people or attend out staff should pay for parking like most of the nation has to do when they go to work Fri 17 Sep 2010 21:48:02 GMT+1 Atom_1 Erm...don't we already pay for the NHS so why should we pay to park on hospital property..!! Fri 17 Sep 2010 21:40:55 GMT+1 Sagacity free parking for all employees, visitors and patients with very heavy fines (say £5000) for misuse and a mandatory prison sentence (3 months) fot refusal pay the fine. Using a hospital car park when you are not in one of the catagories above is stealing from the sick and dying. Fri 17 Sep 2010 21:38:09 GMT+1 Wicked_Witch_of_the_West_Coast [56. At 10:24pm on 16 Sep 2010, GorraSay wrote:So they can park their cars for free in Scotland and Wales and have free prescriptions but not here in England... well is that not divisory ???Be a nice starting point to have everyone treated AS EQUAL !!!]Not this urban myth again! Prescriptions in Scotland ARE NOT FREE! Fri 17 Sep 2010 21:31:31 GMT+1 Wicked_Witch_of_the_West_Coast [16. At 6:10pm on 16 Sep 2010, corum-populo-2010 wrote:The most disturbing aspect of car parking charges for inpatients and out patients in England, is that those charges are to be kept to subside free hospital parking in Scotland and Wales?]It's nothing to do with Scotland and Wales - it's more to do with the fact that we have devolved administrations who find it in their interest to listen to the people whose taxes they are spending. It was made clear to them that the public wanted the fees abolished, and they were. Don't blame Scotland and Wales for your lack of control over your Parliament. Fri 17 Sep 2010 21:26:56 GMT+1 g1ggles I work in a city centre hospital which has parking charges consistent with other car parks in the city. If parking was free or cheaper than elsewhere the hospital car park would be full of shoppers. Someone has suggested that patients and visitors be refunded their parking but the Trust has nearly 900,000 outpatient consultations every year and over 200,000 admissions. Making refunds to all of these patients and visitors would be an industry in itself. Someone else suggested handing out passes to get people out of the car parks but this would still mean issuing over 20,000 permits per week. To make any scheme like this work would mean staff on all wards being able to hand out permits. This would then be open to abuse as staff could use these permits for themselves. I agree that where possible there should be no charges eg hospitals in the middle of nowhere, but sometimes this just isn't practical. Incidentally, some staff are allowed to park on site but this is limited and factors such as distance from home, access to public transport and working patterns are taken into account before staff are given parking. And it isn't free, a charge is deducted from salary. Fri 17 Sep 2010 21:24:11 GMT+1 Upemall How's this (true) story for a hospital fiddle? A hospital sends a letter telling an elderly woman to attend for a scheduled appointment. She is taken by her son in his car, at his expense, and he parks in the hospital car park, because that's the obvious and nearest place to park. He helps her into the hospital - and is told by the woman on reception that his mother should have received another letter and come on another date. Of course, she hadn't received any such letter and the receptionist was unable to reschedule on the spot so he had to find a telephone and ring the appointments line, who offered unsatisfactory times on alternative dates. Result: a five week delay until the next appointment. When - on his elderly mother's behalf - he sends a complaint through the advertised channels, he received an acknowledgement, and nothing else. Needless to say, there has been a deafening silence (from the Birmingham Treatment Centre attached to City Hospital, Birmingham) since his request for a refund of the car park fee. Seems it's okay for these organisations to screw up, leaving him to lose half a day's work, pay petrol costs and car park costs, and inconvenience an elderly woman - typical of our rotten health service and its ancilliary charges, of which car park fees are another iniquity. After all, how much would it cost the service if ambulances were required to collect all of those patients/passengers who would not be able to reach the hospital under their own steam?Rip-off Britain indeed - with the Health Service as a leading example of it! Fri 17 Sep 2010 21:14:42 GMT+1 Mick Hodd Hospital car parking charging was introdudced by the Tories when they when Thacher was in power. I said I would never vote Conserative again as I think it is the lowest of the low thing to have done. Private hospitals do not charge of course. Fri 17 Sep 2010 21:01:11 GMT+1 impressme It is better to removge the charges. I am 8month pregnant in a high risk pregnancy. 3 days ago I had to go to the hospital. It wasn't until I got there I realised I didn't have enough coins to make up the minimum £2. I had to travel 1mile away and walked to the hospital. Apart from being late I was exhausted getting back to where I parked.The day the government focus on investing on improving industrialization is the day they stop depending on taxes and charges for everyting. Fri 17 Sep 2010 19:52:04 GMT+1 london Stock Exchange No they should be capped.....the moneys should be given to patient services not to administrators or outside clappers wasting our hard earned money! Clearly patients are vunerable people who due to illness have no choise,the relatives could donate if they are not poor... Fri 17 Sep 2010 18:34:02 GMT+1 Trainee Anarchist When I have been in hospital I have never enjoyed having put the charge up to £15 per hour! Fri 17 Sep 2010 18:13:31 GMT+1 DtheT Double the parking fees. Then parking may be easier. 10 - 15 minutes trundling round them is nobodys idea of fun. Yes, visitors should get refund tickets at the wards or certain patients at the clinics, good idea. Motorists, usually the motorists that offend the most, are always complaining. In ten years or less all the concrete will start breaking up anyway and we'll be complaining about the crowded buses. Fri 17 Sep 2010 17:51:19 GMT+1 Ben My girlfriend works in a Hospital Pharmacy, when i go to pick her up at the end of the day there is nowhere near the entrance to park and theres no way im going to the car park where you have to pay £2 for the first 2hours. So rather than cough up £2 to sit there for 5mins i think i spend less on petrol having to circle round and round. Anyway why should i pay for parking at a hospital my taxes paid for i already paid for we already paid for that parking space why are we beig charged again?? Fri 17 Sep 2010 17:49:50 GMT+1 moreram Yes, definitely! In fact all parking charges should be dropped on public roads and in public car parks. Fri 17 Sep 2010 17:44:16 GMT+1 Keith If it ethical to charge for parking at hospitals why is it considered unethical to charge for medical treatment? If it is reasonable to charge the customers, the people who through taxes have paid for the hospital and its running costs including all the staffs wages, of a hospital why do they not charge the employees parking charges? Or indeed if parking spaces are limited only allow customers to park in hospital grounds leaving mere employees to make their own arrangements. If you ran a private business would you charge your customers to park when visiting you to maybe use the services you make a living providing? How many shops or other businesses charge their customers to park in their car parks? Fri 17 Sep 2010 16:59:06 GMT+1 chrislabiff What, and miss the chance to make bedside relatives scurry about renewing exhorbitant parking tickets? What a hoot! Captive audiences and all that.... Fri 17 Sep 2010 16:48:06 GMT+1 caretakers The Tories rescue us from the neo marxist New Labour brand, give us hope for the future then take out a pistol aim it at their own feet and bang.If ever there was a need for compassion in Britain it is in the situation regarding easy access to hospitals for both in - patients and those visiting very sick people.To risk alienating the voting public and putting at risk a long term delay in ever having to be led by marxists again is simply irresponsible. Shame on you Tories after giving us hope. Fri 17 Sep 2010 15:52:17 GMT+1 ruffled_feathers Perhaps the best bit is ensuring you've got change in your pocket as you've just driven someone to A&E!! Fri 17 Sep 2010 15:31:10 GMT+1 FriendlyNemesis I find it abominable that government will take tax for health matters and yet the authorities think it is right to grab more money when visitors drive to visit those who are ill. It is blatant extortion from the usual easy target. There's no excuse for it. Fri 17 Sep 2010 15:05:23 GMT+1 corum-populo-2010 Yes, as other posters have pointed out - scanning your ticket; or tokens. Or APNR to monitor those who are either not patients, visitors or not staff? Fri 17 Sep 2010 15:03:27 GMT+1 corum-populo-2010 Recommend post #113 as an example of why hospital management don't complain about parking - because they don't pay for parking!Indeed post #113 points out, indirectly, the hypocrasy across all Government Departments and all Ministries?NHS England - if you need tests, diagnosis, surgery, treatment in and out patient care - you pay more in England just to park?WHY ARE WE DEBATING THIS - WE HAVE TO FIGHT THIS. Fri 17 Sep 2010 15:00:24 GMT+1 stevie The problem has always been how to stop everybody else parking in free hospital carparks. I was attending hospital last december when the barrier system at the hospital carpark broke down, unfortunately for 3 weeks it was impossible to find a parking space whilst attending for treatment. If there could be a non-cost arrangement for that maybe charges should be dropped. Fri 17 Sep 2010 14:37:40 GMT+1 John Paying for hospital car parking is fundamentally wrong. No-one wants to be visiting hospitals for other than essential reasons, and the last thing you want on your mind is "will the ticket run out and will I get a fine." I find the whole thing inappropriate. During a stressful time for my family a short time ago, in addition to dealing with the anxiety of a very ill relative, we had to contend with finding limited space within the hospital car park and finding the money to pay.It's okay for MPs to come out with bland statements like "hospitals should make their own arrangements" - but I guess most MPs don't go anywhere near NHS places and experience this added layer of stress for themselves. To have a two-tier system in place in the UK where some pay and some don't is ludicrous - hospital parking should be free everywhere.Maybe there is something in the ranting of whoever that Catholic guy is who has been in the news - we are a Third World country. We certainly treat some of our own as if they were citizens not worthy of respect and some public investment. Fri 17 Sep 2010 14:26:45 GMT+1 Average-UK-Male At 1:18pm on 17 Sep 2010, corum-populo-2010 wrote:The insensivity of this ConDem government on hospital parking charges is difficult to express in ways that HYS moderators can allow?----------------------------------------------------------------------So was the previous government sensitive to the charges, did they drop them only for the coalition to re-introduce them. Using the expression ConDem is starting to indicate a lack of objectivity.As I have said before we can all make cases why we should not have to pay, but the money would have to come from somewhere and I disagree with central taxation. Fri 17 Sep 2010 14:26:43 GMT+1 TheGrassAintGreener 1. At 5:13pm on 16 Sep 2010, RitaKleppmann wrote:I find it totally inappropriate that hospitals charge for car parking. It is a product of the previous Government´s policy of `Find the money yourselves.You do realise the Conservatives have the majority now? I don't see these charges been waived any time soon. Fri 17 Sep 2010 14:24:15 GMT+1 General Belgrano There's a hospital car park just across the street from where I work. If they drop the parking fees, me and my mates will be in there like a shot. You just watch us! And early doors, too. Fri 17 Sep 2010 14:23:52 GMT+1 MrWonderfulReality I reckon MPs should pay a charge every time they open their mouths, which would pay for all carparks and we could also invite the rest of the world to NHS carparks as well, excluding hippos, because they may get mistaken for an MP & if someone starts shouting at it/them then they may get their head bitten off, hence dont invite hippos because they could be a health hazard!!! Fri 17 Sep 2010 14:16:59 GMT+1 bigjeeze Providing charges do not accelerate too fast for people to be able to afford them I don't see a problem. The principal problem with Hospital parking is that caused by staff parking. That said - There are too many people going to Hospitals by car. Most peoeple do not need to go by car. It is mostly elderly people that are clogging up the car parks. Fri 17 Sep 2010 14:10:00 GMT+1 Small acts of defiance Hospital parking charges are a regressive tax on the vulnerable. However, there is also a section of society who seek to take advantage of the parking provided at hospitals and who treat it as an unofficial park-and-ride scheme. So in my view I would like to see the charges increased to deter people for whom it was not designed but, as another commenter suggested, institute a validation system so that legitimate visitors and patients do not have to pay. Fri 17 Sep 2010 14:07:21 GMT+1 John just make them reasonably priced and no one will complain. Fri 17 Sep 2010 14:02:24 GMT+1 deanarabin 16. At 6:10pm on 16 Sep 2010, corum-populo-2010 wrote:The most disturbing aspect of car parking charges for inpatients and out patients in England, is that those charges are to be kept to subside free hospital parking in Scotland and Wales?-------------------------------------------------------------------------Absolutely. I'd settle for a flat fee of 50p a day throughout the United Kingdom. No special treatment for Scotland, NI or Wales. If it's a devolved decision it should be devolved to England too, and the Treasury should not provide extra funds for the purpose of subsidising parking fees at any hospital Trust in the UK.To say there should be no charges at all is illogical. The NHS rightly doesn't reimburse patients who are well enough to come by public transport, and parking fees are merely a part of private transport costs. But whatever happens it should NOT be left to individual Trusts to decide whether or not to charge, and if so,how much. The sooner these stupid politicians stop trying to make businesses of NHS hospitals, the better. Fri 17 Sep 2010 13:58:55 GMT+1 Annie My father was in hospital for a week three months ago, seriously ill and then died. While I didnt mind paying for the parking I found it added so much to the distress and grief at the time, having to spend half an hour trying to find somewhere to park, not knowing how long I would be there, having the right money etc. I asked about a day or week parking pass, which they didnt do, minimum parking was £4.00 and all I seemed to do was run around trying to find money, the hospital had a cash machine in the reception area but it was out of order. In the end a really lovely security man gave me a day pass so I could come and go several times a day. The care my dad got was fantastic but all I recall about the time was the stress of parking charges and fear of running out of money. Fri 17 Sep 2010 13:43:06 GMT+1 ruffled_feathers "112. At 1:09pm on 17 Sep 2010, anotherfakename wrote:I hvae also read the normal nonsense about people using hospitals for parking for shopping, work nearby, visiting friends down the road...Its rubbish. If any hospital can show that any car is being parked for those reasons they need to speak to the council and find out why they are obviously charging too much for town centre parking."Not so simple. One hospital sold off ground so that it had funds to be rebuilt - to a large supermarket. Supermarket has vast car park, but which fills up fast. Hospital has smaller car park - right next door. There are a lot of other shops in the immediate vicinity as well, with very little parking elsewhere. I have no doubt that at times the hospital car park is used by shoppers, despite being slightly more expensive than the supermarket (unless you spend more than £5 at the supermarket, whereupon it is free) - there is nowhere else to go. Fri 17 Sep 2010 13:42:01 GMT+1 Billy The Bull For visitors and those able to walk the solution to hospital car parking charges is quite simple - walk the last few hundred yards and pay much less or nothing at all. Everyone should know that walking is also good for one's health. No wonder that obesity is on the rise when people don't relish the opportunity to leave the car and take a bit of exercise. Fri 17 Sep 2010 13:41:29 GMT+1 RubbishGirl Not necessarily as they're a great source of income BUT parking in hospitals should be cheaper, there should be subsidised parking available for those that can't afford it and this ridiculous practice of having to guess how long you'll need when you park has to end! Shopping centres are quite capable of installing parking machines where you get your ticket on the way in & pay for the amount of time used on the way out, if they can do it why can't the NHS? If this system isn't possible you should be given an appointment time & how long this will take, then you pay for that, if you do go over this time due to waiting times, inefficiency etc, then the hospital is liable to pay your fine. Fri 17 Sep 2010 13:11:50 GMT+1 Seqenenre Car parking charges in hospitals is disgraceful. Fri 17 Sep 2010 13:02:14 GMT+1 mattuk "Parking charges in hospital car parks are a tax on illness and should be abolished at once." FarmerG ... so someone who is in hospital for 5 days is charged parking for this time? I don't know if people are charged for an out-patient consultation but in my opinion they should be exempt providing they leave the car park, say 30 mins after their appointment ended.Most people on here seem to think they have a right to free parking at a hospital because it's 'public property'. Why - I don't follow the logic? Has anyone looked at car park usage before and after charges were introduced to see if more spaces are available for people actually visiting relatives? I suspect in reality more spaces are now available because the shoppers (including those visiting the hospital who then go shopping but leave the car in teh hospital car park) have stopped abusing the system. Don't like the charges, stop abusing the system. The hospital car park is there for those visiting relatives, not a way of avoiding a multi-storey's parking charges! Fri 17 Sep 2010 13:01:45 GMT+1 Alasdair Campbell If parking free of charge at hospitals was not abused, then I would support it. Too often, hospital car parks, especially those in or near city centres, have been/are being abused by the general public. What is required is some form of display ticket, to be issued only to those having good reason to be parked at the hospital in the first place - a good project to solve by one or more of the hoards of managers and accountants employed by the NHS nowadays! Fri 17 Sep 2010 12:56:06 GMT+1 ShavedLegs As a few people have pointed out parking is not free at all Scottish hospitals. Parking is an essential part of the service and public transport is not always a realistic option. I've spent the last week travelling to and from Ninewells in Dundee where my wife has been receiving cancer treatment. If I didn't have a full time job, 2 young children and a home to look after perhaps a leisurely bus trip would be a practical option, but it isn't so I need to park.It's not the amount of the amount of the parking charge that bothers me, but the whole principle of making up your funding from patients and their relatives. I finally ran out of change on my last visit to collect my wife. As I was helping her into the car I was accosted by a jobsworth parking attendant (from a private firm) who wanted to know where our ticket was. Just what you want to deal with after major surgery!If you want to separate hospital users from people using convenient parking then give out parking tokens in the wards or clinics. It's immoral to charge people when they are sick, and it should be stopped. Take the shortfall in money from general taxation. Fri 17 Sep 2010 12:53:42 GMT+1 U14366475 "109. At 12:47pm on 17 Sep 2010, corum-populo-2010 wrote:"Should hospital parking charges be dropped" is the BBC HYS question."Why are English hospitals charging parking fees in English hospitals, to English patients, that are currently free in majority of hospitals to patients in Scotland and Wales"? Explain?"Because the answer is simple and well know. It's because the Scottish and Welsh assemblies voted for it. English voters do not have that right because there is no English parliament. Fri 17 Sep 2010 12:33:05 GMT+1 Billy 104. At 11:49am on 17 Sep 2010, BUBS wrote:The best way to make sure shoppers etc don't abuse hospital car parks is for the receptionist to give you a token of some kind when you check in for your appointment and have a slot for this on the car park barriers. then you will either have to pop in your token or pay the fee to raise the barrier. Tokens wouldn't be given to drunks or thugs in the A&E and visitors could buy a token for a minimal fee or receive one free is the person was in maternity or long term care. Inpatients could receive a token when leaving hospital.-------Totally agree, also love the image of an injured drunk driving their car to A&E and then trying to buy a token so they can drive home! Fri 17 Sep 2010 12:31:06 GMT+1 Billy The government is always talking about making the public sector more like the private sector and this is the sort of issue where they should be doing just that. They should learn from supermarkets, so for town centre locations, where parking is in short supply, charge to park but refund patients, staff and visitors. In less busy areas, just don't charge for parking.Maybe they are already taking a private sector approach but are using the business model of a well known budget airline.......In any case I don't see why the NHS should single out parking as exempt from the ethos of being free at the point of delivery. What's next, charging to use hand sanitiser? Paying a supplement to use A&E at peak times? Priority boarding tickets to jump the queue for operations? Fri 17 Sep 2010 12:27:18 GMT+1 corum-populo-2010 No one, EVER, wants to visit hospital in any capacity - whether for GP consultant referals; blood tests or any tests/investigations of a suspected life-threatening or debilitating/chronic disease. Or given the 'all clear' or good news either? As a health professional, I am just the same as everyone else and am averse to visiting my GP or seeking hospital treatment. We are all the same - we know we should, but wait until our probems go away by themselves?Plus, if you finally have a diagnosis that requires in-patient treatment/surgery and/or further out patient treatment too that affects your ability to work is deeply worrying? That's the irony of patient car parking charges - once you are diagnosed for surgery/inpatient/outpatient treament continues and you are unable to work the cost of treatment escalates?The insensivity of this ConDem government on hospital parking charges is difficult to express in ways that HYS moderators can allow?Many other posters on this site have made very good and cost-effective ideas of how to ensure patients attending their NHS hospital for treatment are not individually penalised, or their family/carers for their being ill? Fri 17 Sep 2010 12:18:55 GMT+1 holly_bush_berry #96 Mr Wonderful RealityWrote lots.I cannot comment without giving you additional stress or torpor. And that I will not do, Sir. I wish you calmness, serenity, and a healthy peace. Fri 17 Sep 2010 12:13:15 GMT+1 Lucy Jones At my local hospital there is a flat rate for parking of £2.50 - when I took nearly 30 hours to give birth to my son it cost £2.50 and each visit my husband made cost him £2.50. You can only validate your parking ticket inside the hospital buildings, which helps deter non-hospital parking. I understand you can get season tickets for e.g. dialysis, chemo, etc. Fri 17 Sep 2010 12:12:06 GMT+1 factdoubter My wife, a nurse, together with all of her colleagues, has to pay for parking at her hospital. This would be fair if all public servants such as teachers, firemen, police, armed forces, local and central government workers et al had to pay as well, but this is not the case.Worst of all are MP's who not only don't pay but also get secure parking. Fri 17 Sep 2010 12:11:04 GMT+1 anotherfakename I hvae also read the normal nonsense about people using hospitals for parking for shopping, work nearby, visiting friends down the road...Its rubbish. If any hospital can show that any car is being parked for those reasons they need to speak to the council and find out why they are obviously charging too much for town centre parking.In the States almost every parking place in almost every town is free. This encourages commerce and people to visit towns/cities. You can't say that 1, 2 or even 10 pounds means people will use public transport instead of cars because public transport just does not exist in any meaningful way outside of city centres so is just not an option. All the car parking charges do is persuade people not to bother at all. For example, York's charges are so high I will NEVER AGAIN visit that city - even to show visitors from overseas around the council has priced it out of existance (have a look at the empty car parks, empty shops etc.). Fri 17 Sep 2010 12:09:45 GMT+1 U14366475 "100. At 11:26am on 17 Sep 2010, Graphis wrote:All financial considerations aside, it's morally wrong to charge a fee for hospital car-parking.If abuse of the system is a concern, simply have the tickets validated inside the hospital, to prove that the facilities are being used by genuine patients, visitors, or staff."We have a winner! Simples.... Fri 17 Sep 2010 12:08:05 GMT+1 anotherfakename They should never have been allowed. Certainly they should be removed. I don't care if taking the car parking charges away menas we have to cut the pay of senior executives, do without 'fertility treatment' or stop removing tatoos. Get rid of them now! Fri 17 Sep 2010 12:05:24 GMT+1 corum-populo-2010 "Should hospital parking charges be dropped" is the BBC HYS question."Why are English hospitals charging parking fees in English hospitals, to English patients, that are currently free in majority of hospitals to patients in Scotland and Wales"? Explain? Fri 17 Sep 2010 11:47:33 GMT+1 FatPeace - A Promise to Heather No, because hospital car parks cost money to run and maintain (especially when irresponsible oiks insist on parking in them in order to do their shopping) and I think few would disagree that this money is more productively spent on cancer drugs and cleaning services. The claim however that punitive charges are to 'promote public transport use' holds little water when it is considered how inaccessible many hospitals are to non-drivers, particularly at a time when both of this country's major bus companies are cutting routes and hiking prices in order to preserve their obscene profit margins. Unfortunately with a Tory government, any possibility of reform to the privatised bus tendering system which is the biggest hurdle to a sustainable, integrated network in this country seems further away than ever. Just another injustice of modern Britain that without a people-centred alternative to the profit-oriented monetarist major parties we will have to knuckle down and accept. And until a realistic alternative to the car is offered to those visiting most NHS sites, sky-high parking charges will remain a tax on the poor and on the captive market that are the already vulnerable relatives of sick people. Fri 17 Sep 2010 11:46:26 GMT+1 FarmerG Parking charges in hospital car parks are a tax on illness and should be abolished at once. Fri 17 Sep 2010 11:36:47 GMT+1 Cav Car parking would not have to be charged for if all drivers were responsible. It isn't a revenue stream! Stop parking in carparks to do the shopping, while you are at work, or visiting relatives in the surrounding area and no one would have to pay. How do you stop those not visiting the hospital, from parking, if there are no barriers or parking attendants? If you need these controls: how do you pay for them? Out of money that should be used for healthcare? No, not all drivers park irresponsibly, by any means, but there are plenty of selfish people out there who do.I sort of agree with those who say give patients, wards or reception some sort of token to get out of the carpark without paying. Anyone else has no legitimate right to be parked there and should pay. But that still leaves the cost of the equipment and attendants to be borne by the hospital. No, it isn't the job of the hospital to run carparks but attendants are necessary otherwise drivers just park everywhere blocking access - many of our hospitals are very old and constrained for space. It's also true that parking on verges causes damage that has to be repaired, the car park itself has to be maintained - where is the money supposed to come from?Here's one solution: get out of your CAR! No, it doesn't apply to everyone of course, but there are plenty of visitors to hospitals who could go by taxi or bus, or - dare I say it - walk, where close enough. Fri 17 Sep 2010 11:32:32 GMT+1 chezza100 I can understand the problem if a hospital is near the town centre and people park there for Saturday shopping.My nearest hospital is 1.5 miles out of town so its doubtful shoppers would park there.It cost me £1.10 for a blood test the other day which took about 5 minutes to do.I bet it pays for the champers at the NHS Christmas parties. Fri 17 Sep 2010 10:49:59 GMT+1 BUBS The best way to make sure shoppers etc don't abuse hospital car parks is for the receptionist to give you a token of some kind when you check in for your appointment and have a slot for this on the car park barriers. then you will either have to pop in your token or pay the fee to raise the barrier. Tokens wouldn't be given to drunks or thugs in the A&E and visitors could buy a token for a minimal fee or receive one free is the person was in maternity or long term care. Inpatients could receive a token when leaving hospital. Fri 17 Sep 2010 10:49:57 GMT+1