Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html en-gb 30 Sat 04 Jul 2015 15:41:43 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html Andy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=99#comment604 604. At 04:27am on 19 Jul 2010, Peter Dewsnap wrote:Frankly, I am sick and tired of this subject.In the first place, these people are not "gay", they are homosexual so stop maligning the English language. If that life style is what these people want, then that is their prerogative but I don't want to know about it so, BBC, please stop publicising it.Peter D South Carolina------Peter, you seemed to have ignored my post 515. If this subject upsets you so much, why do you comment on it yet again? Mon 19 Jul 2010 06:31:18 GMT+1 Peter Dewsnap http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=99#comment603 Frankly, I am sick and tired of this subject.In the first place, these people are not "gay", they are homosexual so stop maligning the English language. If that life style is what these people want, then that is their prerogative but I don't want to know about it so, BBC, please stop publicising it.Peter D South Carolina Mon 19 Jul 2010 03:27:43 GMT+1 Andy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=99#comment602 599. At 00:07am on 19 Jul 2010, citizencanada wrote:If homosexuality and incest are frowned upon by the Church, we must then ask ourselves, or perhaps check with the Bible, for an answer to this question.Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. If so, then where did the rest of us come from?Answers anyone?------I've just looked this up. Adam and Eve are believed to have had four children:Cain - maleAbel - maleSeth - maleAzura (or Akilia) - female Mon 19 Jul 2010 02:22:35 GMT+1 Kaliyug http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=99#comment601 This post has been Removed Mon 19 Jul 2010 01:47:04 GMT+1 MrWonderfulReality http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=99#comment600 599. At 00:07am on 19 Jul 2010, citizencanada wrote:If homosexuality and incest are frowned upon by the Church, we must then ask ourselves, or perhaps check with the Bible, for an answer to this question.Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. If so, then where did the rest of us come from?Answers anyone?MUPPET.The STORK brought us!! Mon 19 Jul 2010 00:39:25 GMT+1 in_the_uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=99#comment599 598. At 00:03am on 19 Jul 2010, manfish wrote:The new law states that same sex couples will be allowed to adopt children.Does that mean a single man, or a single woman living alone, will also be allowed to adopt children?If not, I see a case for discrimination here.-------------------------Can the single man or woman provide the attention, money and resources to raise a child. Normal circumstances say no but if the person could then I see no problem. Most single people cant really do all of that so they must trade off working with spending time with children. I know people do it out of necessity but that isnt an ideal environment for a child. Sun 18 Jul 2010 23:26:32 GMT+1 citizencanada http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=98#comment598 If homosexuality and incest are frowned upon by the Church, we must then ask ourselves, or perhaps check with the Bible, for an answer to this question.Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. If so, then where did the rest of us come from?Answers anyone? Sun 18 Jul 2010 23:07:21 GMT+1 manfish http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=98#comment597 The new law states that same sex couples will be allowed to adopt children.Does that mean a single man, or a single woman living alone, will also be allowed to adopt children?If not, I see a case for discrimination here. Sun 18 Jul 2010 23:03:25 GMT+1 Ralphie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=98#comment596 @ 595. At 10:03pm on 18 Jul 2010, HypocrisyRulesUKWhat about infertile couples, where do they fall in your "true soul" story? Sun 18 Jul 2010 22:13:27 GMT+1 Colin J Allen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=98#comment595 595, HypocrisyRulesUK,I follow your argument but I feel that you are going off at a tangent. The key issue here is not the ability to reproduce but the recognition of a loving relationship. Some heterosexual couples cannot reproduce without the aid of a third party; does that put their marriage on a different footing from that of a couple who can reproduce? Would you argue that they should be denied marriage?Gay marriage is being recognised and made policy because it is good and right to recognise and celebrate loving relationships and commitment. Sun 18 Jul 2010 21:42:26 GMT+1 HypocrisyRulesUK http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=98#comment594 I know I am going to be on the receiving end of a load of progressive hate and bile for stating the following truth, so before I start I'd like to make 2 things clear: 1. I'm and atheist (so my belief isn't religiously driven; 2. One of our best family friends are a gay couple with adopted children. While I do no not have a problem with gay people adopting, on the grounds that gay parents are always going to be better parents than the state. I do object to the argument used to support this policy which is that homosexual relationships are on an equal footing with heterosexual ones. They are not! Reason: a heterosexual couple can, without any assistance from a third party create a new life and in doing so send their DNA (their true soul; told you I was an atheist) on an eternal journey through time, guaranteeing their immortality. Homosexuals cannot do this. This is not a matter of law or reactionary narrow mindedness. Its biology! My point is that if the given argument behind a policy is provably scientifically nonsense, what is the real reason that it is being made policy? I know what I think, suggestions by posting a comment please. Sun 18 Jul 2010 21:03:35 GMT+1 in_the_uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=98#comment593 578. At 6:00pm on 18 Jul 2010, jackinusa wrote:I DON'T BELIEVE GAYS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ADOPT CHILDREN, BUT THEY MAKE THEIR OWNS LAWS IN ARGENTINA. MAYBE HOMOSEXUALS SHOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO ADOPT GIRLS. AND LESBIANS SHOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO ADOPT BOYS.-------------------------Why? If thats the concept of safety for the child then no hetrosexual couple should have kids as the male is attracted to female and vice versa Sun 18 Jul 2010 20:11:41 GMT+1 Bishy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=97#comment592 Gays can adopt kids? Kids made through heterosexual relations if I am not wrong, but with the rate gay people are increasing and we are all giving our full support, I dont think they will find kids to adopt. Our birth rates are already very low and we are increasing our population by encouraging immigration. So we will all become proud gays and will keep importing people from countries where people are not gay. Sounds good! Sun 18 Jul 2010 19:28:52 GMT+1 Ralphie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=97#comment591 499. At 00:13am on 18 Jul 2010, domestic wrote:You must have met some strange Christians, I know lots of them and none of them express the views you attribute to them.////Yes, I must have met the ones that take passages in the bible like “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to everyone,” (Mark 16:15) a bit too literally. Which is, erm, almost all of them. Sun 18 Jul 2010 19:19:55 GMT+1 Ralphie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=97#comment590 Sorry, but to me the bible reads like a "How to Live Life for Dummies". It basically tells you what to do or not do do when you're incapable of making that decision yourself. If people still don't know how to live their lives by now, they'll never learn. Sun 18 Jul 2010 18:57:28 GMT+1 Fugl5 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=97#comment589 I find it rather ironic that certain christians always cry out about the bible being quoted out of context. Especially when it comes to homosexuality. I find it is often the other way around. Christians nowadays, even the ones who proclaim every word of the bible as true (explain the contradictions and other inaccuracies?!?)still dont follow every law in the bible.Stoned any people for working on the sabbath lately? Why not? Isnt it keeping the sabbath sacred one of the ten commandments, and isnt the punishment for breaking any of them death? The bible commands these things, but people dont follow these rules any more. Many animals, mainly mammals, have been shown to be homosexual. It isnt "unnatural". People dont choose to be gay. They are born that way, and if you believe god creates every single person, then it is god who made them gay. If god really wrote the bible, and demands death to certain people because of the way HE made them, then he is immoral and not fit for worship. Sun 18 Jul 2010 18:51:47 GMT+1 Colin J Allen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=97#comment588 N51W03,Typing in a comment could also be interpreted as working on the Sabbath, which could pose a few problems for the "believers":). Sun 18 Jul 2010 18:40:12 GMT+1 N51W03 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=97#comment587 Look, completely agree with everyone having a right to their beliefs and opinions, but it just seems that whenever this subject is mentioned the Religious types jump on the band wagon - "It's against God's law". So my question then is - if we believe that the Bible is God's word, and God is infallible then we have to accept everything written in the Bible yes?My next question is - is it right for us to cherry-pick bits we like and dismiss bits we don't like?For instance, Leviticus 18:22 says " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.". Fair enough, we know where we standBut then Leviticus 25:44 also says " 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.”. Does this mean I can buy slaves from France or Germany?And then Exodus 35:2 says “Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.” My neighbour was trimming his bushes today (Sunday) what should we do? Should we stone him to death on Sunday or wait til Monday?So really my big question then is if it’s OK for us to cherry pick, then it’s not really God’s word that we’re quoting, it’s just the bit we choose isn’t it using the Bible to back it up? Comments appreciated. Sun 18 Jul 2010 18:18:30 GMT+1 Colin J Allen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=96#comment586 At 6:43pm on 18 Jul 2010, jackinusa wrote:"sorry reverend nortan neat, but we WON'T GET THERE! being gay will never be accepted in normal society and gays being able to adopt is also unacceptable."Jack, in my normal society, being gay is accepted. Perhaps it is your views that are not acceptable in "normal society";). Sun 18 Jul 2010 18:10:57 GMT+1 Colin J Allen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=96#comment585 At 5:43pm on 18 Jul 2010, jackinusa wrote:"to COLIN J. ALLEN POST #564LOOK UP THE WORD MARRIAGE IN ANY DICTIONARY AND IT SAYS "BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMEN"should we change the definition of a word that is thousands of years old, the same in every language for the sake of gays who crave acceptance into normal society?i believe that gays should have every right as a married man and women if their union is made legal and binding, but it cannot and should not be called a marriage. if the want the word marriage so strongly, then it should be refered to as GAY MARRIAGE."Jack, stop shouting;).The definitions of many words change over time. Marriage is what a particular society defines it as being; a dictionary definition is not an ultimate, unchanging specification.Just try to explain this, calmly and without shouting: why do you believe that gay people should not be able to use the single word "marriage" to describe their union?I have gay friends who describe themselves as "married". It has not affected the nature of my marriage or that of anyone else; there have been no plagues of locusts, the earth is still spinning on its axis, the birthrate has not nose-dived (how is gay marriage supposed to reduce the birth-rate?), and the sun is still shining. It seems that using the word "marriage" has no ill-effects. Sun 18 Jul 2010 18:08:33 GMT+1 Ralphie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=96#comment584 584. At 6:43pm on 18 Jul 2010, jackinusa wrote:sorry reverend nortan neat, but we WON'T GET THERE! being gay will never be accepted in normal society and gays being able to adopt is also unacceptable.///Yeah, don't know how to break this to you, but it has been happening for while already, the biggest example being Barrie and Tony Drewitt-Barlow. There is a lot of things wrong with this couple, but being gay is not one of them Sun 18 Jul 2010 18:03:41 GMT+1 jackinusa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=96#comment583 sorry reverend nortan neat, but we WON'T GET THERE! being gay will never be accepted in normal society and gays being able to adopt is also unacceptable. Sun 18 Jul 2010 17:43:45 GMT+1 Enny2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=96#comment582 The major impact it will have is that the heaven and earth will not crash into each other, the persecution by the church will be reduced, and the Africans will end their denials that gay issue is a white man thing. I remember that we have something in Yoruba called 'Ore Imule or Imule ore'. It means friendship hold together by friends with an oath to protect their secret. And one of Yoruba gods 'Shango' used to dress like a woman, plait his hair like a woman and had a very loyal male slave. His Priests today must dress like a woman if male. May be the gay thing is no longer western but worldwide. And the Yorubas accepted it in their community because they are very tolerant people. Sun 18 Jul 2010 17:32:03 GMT+1 Ralphie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=96#comment581 575. At 5:43pm on 18 Jul 2010, jackinusa wrote:should we change the definition of a word that is thousands of years old, the same in every language for the sake of gays who crave acceptance into normal society?//// Yes. I know that may be hard to understand, but you're getting there. Sun 18 Jul 2010 17:20:08 GMT+1 Ralphie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=95#comment580 steve_the_chauffeur wrote:If God had thought that Gay marriage was such a great idea then he would have arranged things so that they could have children.///And where those that leave infertile couples? Think please. Sun 18 Jul 2010 17:15:47 GMT+1 Ralphie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=95#comment579 I think that, same as with the facts about race whereby we all derive from Africans, homosexuality existed before homophobia, and in the same manner as it does with the racists, that facts takes the wind out the hollective hatred sails. I could not have gay sex. It's a matter of preference. Not because I think it's bad/wrong, but simply because I don't like it. Same as I don't like scotch eggs. That doesn't stop me eating altogether though. Sun 18 Jul 2010 17:10:37 GMT+1 Bradwarden http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=95#comment578 This post has been Removed Sun 18 Jul 2010 17:02:29 GMT+1 jackinusa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=95#comment577 I DON'T BELIEVE GAYS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ADOPT CHILDREN, BUT THEY MAKE THEIR OWNS LAWS IN ARGENTINA. MAYBE HOMOSEXUALS SHOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO ADOPT GIRLS. AND LESBIANS SHOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO ADOPT BOYS. Sun 18 Jul 2010 17:00:30 GMT+1 Ralphie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=95#comment576 576. At 5:48pm on 18 Jul 2010, jackinusa wrote:IF GAYS WANT TO USE THE WORD MARRIAGE, THEN IT SHOULD STATE ON THE LICENSE "GAY MARRIAGE"///For the sake of consistency, can the following be stated on any of your official documents as well then: unfit for the future. Sun 18 Jul 2010 16:58:37 GMT+1 jackinusa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=95#comment575 IF GAYS WANT TO USE THE WORD MARRIAGE, THEN IT SHOULD STATE ON THE LICENSE "GAY MARRIAGE" Sun 18 Jul 2010 16:48:38 GMT+1 jackinusa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=94#comment574 to COLIN J. ALLEN POST #564LOOK UP THE WORD MARRIAGE IN ANY DICTIONARY AND IT SAYS "BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMEN"should we change the definition of a word that is thousands of years old, the same in every language for the sake of gays who crave acceptance into normal society?i believe that gays should have every right as a married man and women if their union is made legal and binding, but it cannot and should not be called a marriage. if the want the word marriage so strongly, then it should be refered to as GAY MARRIAGE. Sun 18 Jul 2010 16:43:58 GMT+1 Conner De Public http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=94#comment573 "What impact will Argentina's legalising of gay marriage have?The new law will also allow same-sex couples to adopt children. The issue has divided a country where 91% consider themselves Catholic."So the Catholics are just devided.Just imagine what the outcome would be in many Muslim Countrys. Sun 18 Jul 2010 16:43:32 GMT+1 Colin J Allen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=94#comment572 At 5:16pm on 18 Jul 2010, toth wrote:"What I have said, or say, is written in the Bible, if you want too know more I suggest that you read it for yourself, before you condem it!"Toth, I have read it, several times, along with the main texts of the other major religions.I note that you have not managed to provide proof for any of your claims about the bible and/or god. Sun 18 Jul 2010 16:25:29 GMT+1 Colin J Allen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=94#comment571 At 5:05pm on 18 Jul 2010, toth wrote:"Re: (Comment 559) Colin J AllenBecause it is the written word of God!There are many paths to take, but there is only one true path that leads to salvation. And only a relative few will make it!"The written word of god? Really? Which translation are you working from? Given that different versions of the bible have slightly different nuances, how do we know which version contains the verbatim version of god's words?If the bible really is the written word of god, why do the gospels not all tell the same story of the life of Jesus? Surely god should know what the story is.Are the rejected gospels (including the Gnostic gospels) also the written word of god or does that appelation only apply to those that were selected for inclusion by the Council of Nicaea?Please provide proof that the bible is the written word of god. Sun 18 Jul 2010 16:22:42 GMT+1 Ralphie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=94#comment570 Re: 562 - And before I confuse people, I mean bible basher in the British sense, not the American one.. Sun 18 Jul 2010 16:21:10 GMT+1 toth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=94#comment569 What I have said, or say, is written in the Bible, if you want too know more I suggest that you read it for yourself, before you condem it! Sun 18 Jul 2010 16:16:38 GMT+1 Gerge Kay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=93#comment568 The only impact might be positive: more state income and taxes for marriage licenses and from married couples. Sun 18 Jul 2010 16:13:31 GMT+1 MrsEllacott http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=93#comment567 To comment #47 and any others saying similiar things, not all religious people are against gay marriage or do not like those who are gay. I am a Christian and I have a number of friends who are gay. Some of them wish to marry and eventually have children and I do believe they will be fantastic parents having seen them interact with my children! I am all for anyone wanting to get married and have children, no matter their sexual orientation. Sun 18 Jul 2010 16:12:23 GMT+1 toth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=93#comment566 The seeds of destruction are being sown for the breakdown of the natural order of things! Sun 18 Jul 2010 16:07:40 GMT+1 toth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=93#comment565 Re: (Comment 559) Colin J AllenBecause it is the written word of God!There are many paths to take, but there is only one true path that leads to salvation. And only a relative few will make it! Sun 18 Jul 2010 16:05:22 GMT+1 Ralphie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=93#comment564 556. At 4:3 7pm on 18 Jul 2010, jackinusa wrote:GAYS CAN HAVE EVERY RIGHT AS A MARRIED COUPLE BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE CALLED A MARRIAGE. call it a same sex union OR ANYTHING OTHER THAN MARRIAGE, and straight people will have no problem with that. but gays have a big chip on their shoulder and want to force the idea that being gay is moral. they want to teach our children in school the being gay is good, natural, and acceptable. LEAVE OUR CHILDREN OUT OF IT! ///This is a bit like the chicken and the egg, but please tell me, how did the first gay person come into existence? I mean before there were all these teachers conspiring to turn children gay? As a child, I only ever met one person who tried anything homosexual with me, and that was a catholic priest, who was convicted for paedophilia. Coincidentally he taught RE at my school, but I don't think he ever told us gay was good. And to come back to my initial question - I wouldn't feel surprised if the first gay person was somebody who had an urge and went for it, immediately followed by the second gay person, who consented. Sun 18 Jul 2010 16:05:02 GMT+1 Colin J Allen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=93#comment563 Re: 556Jack, this straight person has no problem with it being called marriage. What is so special about the word "marriage"? Sun 18 Jul 2010 15:57:30 GMT+1 Colin J Allen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=92#comment562 At 4:26pm on 18 Jul 2010, toth wrote:"Re: Comment 549Ignorance is bliss they say! The bigotry seems to be coming from you!"Toth, I am not quite sure where you get that from; I was pointing out that, in some cases, Christianity (and indeed other religious belief) seems to be a cover for bigotry of one sort or another.Read the posts on here; who are the people condemning others for their sexual orientation? Mostly, people who call themselves Christians. Sun 18 Jul 2010 15:53:14 GMT+1 Ralphie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=92#comment561 The bible has gone lost in translation. I have it on good authority that God has no problem with homosexuality and he never has gone into specifics regarding it. The bible-bashers on here (not the same as true believers!) are actually the real sinners, because the fake, made up teachings they worship and follow are the equivalent of the golden calf. Sun 18 Jul 2010 15:51:43 GMT+1 Colin J Allen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=92#comment560 At 4:04pm on 18 Jul 2010, toth wrote:"In answer to 'Bibi'(comment 545). Thanks to God we have the free will to live our lives as we please. The Bible is merely the 'Highway Code' of life. You have the free will to either listen to what it says or ignore it. The reward for trying to live by what it teachs offers an eternal life, free of pain & suffering! The rewards on offer for rejecting its teachings are Death!"Please provide proof for the reality of an eternal life, free of pain and suffering. Sun 18 Jul 2010 15:48:26 GMT+1 Marcus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=92#comment559 This post has been Removed Sun 18 Jul 2010 15:46:33 GMT+1 Colin J Allen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=92#comment558 At 4:11pm on 18 Jul 2010, toth wrote:"In reply (comment 548). All scripture is inspired of God and benificial for teaching & reproving!!"Please provide proof that it is "inspired of god". Just saying so is not evidence. What makes your scripture true as opposed to those of all the other religious beliefs in the word? Sun 18 Jul 2010 15:46:11 GMT+1 Ralphie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=92#comment557 542. At 2:55pm on 18 Jul 2010, toth wrote:You reap what you sow, and if you sow the seeds of destruction no prizes for guessing what will follow!///Surely, seeds of destruction will fail to grow, no? I have never tried, exactly because of logic behind that reason. And because I am a good person obviously. And speaking of destruction, if you object so strongly to gay marriage, what would be your, obviously non-destructive, solution be? Because all I hear and read is hatred, but none ever seems to offer a real solution. Sun 18 Jul 2010 15:44:30 GMT+1 toth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=91#comment556 You reap what you sow, and if you sow the seeds of destruction no prizes for guessing what will follow! Sun 18 Jul 2010 15:44:09 GMT+1 jackinusa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=91#comment555 GAYS CAN HAVE EVERY RIGHT AS A MARRIED COUPLE BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE CALLED A MARRIAGE. call it a same sex union OR ANYTHING OTHER THAN MARRIAGE, and straight people will have no problem with that. but gays have a big chip on their shoulder and want to force the idea that being gay is moral. they want to teach our children in school the being gay is good, natural, and acceptable. LEAVE OUR CHILDREN OUT OF IT! Sun 18 Jul 2010 15:37:04 GMT+1 Chazz Trinder http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=91#comment554 I see the optimists are hopeful that this paper will pave the way towards easing restrictions on the less harmful drugs such as cannabis and ecstasy.But that isn’t the way our prohibitive society works. This report will not be used to decriminalise drugs – it will be used instead to put more restrictions on the use of alcohol. Sun 18 Jul 2010 15:32:18 GMT+1 toth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=91#comment553 Re: Comment 549Ignorance is bliss they say! The bigotry seems to be coming from you! Sun 18 Jul 2010 15:26:09 GMT+1 toth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=91#comment552 and for setting things straight! Sun 18 Jul 2010 15:17:18 GMT+1 toth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=91#comment551 In reply (comment 548). All scripture is inspired of God and benificial for teaching & reproving!! Sun 18 Jul 2010 15:11:38 GMT+1 AL http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=90#comment550 As I live in England, the impact will be absolute zero.Have you forgotten that you are the British Broadcasting Corporation? What possible impact is this decision going to have here?Or have you run out of ideas for topics in Have Your Say? Sun 18 Jul 2010 15:11:26 GMT+1 toth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=90#comment549 In answer to 'Bibi'(comment 545). Thanks to God we have the free will to live our lives as we please. The Bible is merely the 'Highway Code' of life. You have the free will to either listen to what it says or ignore it. The reward for trying to live by what it teachs offers an eternal life, free of pain & suffering! The rewards on offer for rejecting its teachings are Death! Sun 18 Jul 2010 15:04:25 GMT+1 Colin J Allen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=90#comment548 This post has been Removed Sun 18 Jul 2010 14:54:16 GMT+1 Colin J Allen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=90#comment547 At 3:12pm on 18 Jul 2010, toth wrote:"Commentators to this discussion have mentioned 'God' as being a loving God. Yes! He is, but the difference being he is a lover of 'Rightousness'. The Bible clearly states that he also finds 'Homosexuality' abhorrent!"Toth, your bible was writen by men, not god. Are you aware that there are Christian teachings other than those which appear in the bible and that the Council of Nicaea of 325CE decided which writings should appear in the bible?Has your god told you personally or directly that he finds homosexuality abhorrent or are you basing that assumption on what you read in the bible? If it is only the latter, then that would seem to be a very poor source. Sun 18 Jul 2010 14:46:39 GMT+1 Natarajan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=90#comment546 Population growth can be contained. Sun 18 Jul 2010 14:38:11 GMT+1 toth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=90#comment545 I object to the use of the word 'Gay' to describe a Homosexual! The word 'Molly' would be more appropriate. Being, or feeling, gay has absolutely nothing to do with being 'Homosexual'. I would suggest that truth be told and the proper language used in future. Lets call a Spade a Spade' eh? Sun 18 Jul 2010 14:30:59 GMT+1 Bibi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=89#comment544 You have the right to live your life in any way you wish - you do not have the right to tell me how to live my life. I reject your religions, your values and your prejudices. Those who are too feeble-minded to think for themselves and insist on allowing clerics to do it on their behalf have ruled this planet for way, way too long. Sun 18 Jul 2010 14:22:41 GMT+1 toth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=89#comment543 Commentators to this discussion have mentioned 'God' as being a loving God. Yes! He is, but the difference being he is a lover of 'Rightousness'. The Bible clearly states that he also finds 'Homosexuality' abhorrent! Sun 18 Jul 2010 14:12:22 GMT+1 Colin J Allen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=89#comment542 At 11:45am on 18 Jul 2010, MOHANDAS wrote:"2. HOMOSEXUALITY is not reported in any species of the animal kingdom. It is prevelent only in PLANT KINGDOM, as SELF POLLINATION (Transfering POLLEN GRAINS,MALE germ cells to STIGMA of OVARY which contains FEMALE Germ cells, within the same flower or between to flowers in the same plant)is an accepted fact."This is factually incorrect, as are so many of the arguments put up against gay marriage and homosexuals in general. Homosexuality is widely reported among other animals. See, for example:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.htmlhttp://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspxhttp://www.cambridge.org/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521864466&ss=excFacts seem to pose a huge problem for the religious types and others who seem to prefer bigotry, supposition and hatred to acceptance, facts and love. Sun 18 Jul 2010 14:01:25 GMT+1 toth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=89#comment541 You reap what you sow, and if you sow the seeds of destruction no prizes for guessing what will follow! Sun 18 Jul 2010 13:55:15 GMT+1 katy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=89#comment540 If the only reason to allow marriage is for the purpose of bearing children, then only those capable of having children should be allowed to marry. I don't see anyone getting upset when some loving older couple, obviously passed childbearing years, gets married. Doesn't this arguement mean that anyone who has been sterilized should not be able to marry? Or how about those who don't want children or can't have children? The arguement against gay marriage is the same as the old arguement against interracial marriage. It's just about hate and fear. Congratulations to Argentina. Sun 18 Jul 2010 13:39:59 GMT+1 George_Lebedev http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=89#comment539 This post has been Removed Sun 18 Jul 2010 13:27:01 GMT+1 Colin J Allen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=88#comment538 Some of those opposing this from a Christian religious perspective have commented on what god thinks or have stated that marriage is a religious institution.I would love to know how they know what their god thinks; does he tell them directly or do their religious leaders tell them what he thinks?Secondly, marriage is not a religious institution and it predates the rise of Judeo-Christianity. Marriage is whatever society defines it as being so, if society says that gay people can be married, then they can!I would have a little more respect for the religiously inclined posters on here if they displayed a few more of the so-called "Christian" virtues, rather than condemning people for being in love with someone of the same gender. Why are so many of the "Christians" so obsessed with the physical aspects of relationships rather than the emotional ones? Sun 18 Jul 2010 13:22:12 GMT+1 RDaneelOlivaw http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=88#comment537 I don't care what they do, as long as people don't use it as a justification for hatred.Keep your own life private, it's no-one else's business.Live & let live, but don't impose your views on others. Sun 18 Jul 2010 12:35:59 GMT+1 in_the_uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=88#comment536 536. At 12:56pm on 18 Jul 2010, Basic_Needs wrote:God made Adam and Eve...Adam knew Eve...Human race begins..............................many years later........man knew man..and...woman knew woman....END of Human Race-----------------------If it is true that there was only adam an eve then we must be a severely mutated and mentally challenged race as incest has such bad results.Also as far as the end of the human race goes, the same is clamed for the level of procreation and lack of resources of the planet. Sun 18 Jul 2010 12:02:43 GMT+1 Basic_Needs http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=88#comment535 God made Adam and Eve...Adam knew Eve...Human race begins..............................many years later........man knew man..and...woman knew woman....END of Human Race Sun 18 Jul 2010 11:56:21 GMT+1 Basic_Needs http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=88#comment534 This post has been Removed Sun 18 Jul 2010 11:40:34 GMT+1 Hunuman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=88#comment533 This post has been Removed Sun 18 Jul 2010 11:35:23 GMT+1 MOHANDAS http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=87#comment532 My previous COMMENT are HUMBLE,SIMPLE explanations asked by Mr.BradyFox-No.345 at 6.25 pm on 16 Jul 2010. Mr.BradyFox is esteemly welcome for further explanations on this particular aspect. Question doesn't arise regarding COWARDICE or COURAGEOUS behaviour.And this is in no way meant to hurt the feelings of the GAY COMMUNITY. Sun 18 Jul 2010 11:04:19 GMT+1 MOHANDAS http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=87#comment531 1.GAY TENDANCY (HOMOSEXUALITY) in a larger sense is stagnating the FREE FLOW of GENES in and out of the GENE POOL ! 2. HOMOSEXUALITY is not reported in any species of the animal kingdom. It is prevelent only in PLANT KINGDOM, as SELF POLLINATION (Transfering POLLEN GRAINS,MALE germ cells to STIGMA of OVARY which contains FEMALE Germ cells, within the same flower or between to flowers in the same plant)is an accepted fact. 3. HUMAN BEING, through HOMOSEXUALITY is not contributing any PROGENY (OFFSPRINGS), thus STAGNATING Free FLOW of GENES to MUTATIONS. Sun 18 Jul 2010 10:45:58 GMT+1 Ralphie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=87#comment530 I am not married but I call the mother of my children my wife, because apart from the ceremony, we live like a married couple, with all its ups and downs. I know so many people who went through mostly acrimonious divorces, doing so much damage to each other and the children, and although there are no Raoul Moat like incidents, things on occasion have gone nasty. So, if gays want to get married, fine with me. It's not all that it's made up to be though. Sun 18 Jul 2010 10:18:41 GMT+1 grumpovian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=87#comment529 This post has been Removed Sun 18 Jul 2010 10:09:47 GMT+1 Belayneh Kassa Wubie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=87#comment528 Well, the impact of gay marriage is simply dismantling the natural social institution of marriage and ceasing the continuity of generation!Leaders in advanced countries are using this issue as agenda for election campaign in favour of it. They dont understand that they are playing unwanted game on the next generation. When advanced countries where using non-renewable energies for their economic development, they did not think about the uzone and the carbon problem; now they are crying on the consequences. They will also cry on the gay marriage when they feel the problem! Shame on it!!! Sun 18 Jul 2010 09:55:10 GMT+1 bobbgooduk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=87#comment527 The word angel comes from Greek and means "messenger" - what on Earth would God want zillions of genderless messengers for?Are they genderless because "before God there is no Man or Woman"?The New Testament is a bit confusing as to what will happen at the end. Some interpretations say we go to heaven as soon as we die. Others say we remain on earth until the End of Time, when the Living and the Dead shall be judged. It's to do with the conflicting interpretations of the End between the Jews and Gentiles that formed the early Christian Church, I belief. Others believe that there is a set number of people who will go to heaven, the rest of the righteous will live in glory on Earth.When Christians cannot agree about something as fundamental as what happens "in the end" - Christ did apparently come to earth to save Man from death by dying himself on the Cross - how is it that so many Christians are convinced and so vociferous about something as relatively unimportant as whether an man loves another man?What if homosexuals get married and never have sex - is that still a sin? I think that the problem is the "sex" bit rather than marriage itself. As one poster said earlier, heterosexual Christians have not done a very good job of preserving the "sanctity" of the marriage vows so far. With a divorce rate of 55% in the USA and the UK and a lot of Europe not much further behind, how is heterosexual marriage any kind of guarantee that children will have the firm basis?If anything, Christians should be campaigning against divorce - that seems to be a much more tangible and REAL threat that according equal human rights to homosexuals.I take it that the law change in Argentina will only affect civil weddings - the RC church or any other church won't be forced to perform gay wedding in their churches. If so, how is it a Christian's right to condemn something which is essentially a matter for the secular world to decide? Sun 18 Jul 2010 09:17:21 GMT+1 Stanley James Hawkins http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=86#comment526 It will upset the religious nutters.It will have no effect on normal, sensible people. Sun 18 Jul 2010 08:53:37 GMT+1 Lord Rant http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=86#comment525 religion and homosexuality will always be in conflict... One is absolutely deluded if one thinks you can still follow or practise most religions and be an active homosexual.In the case of the Christian Church you simply cant be a active homosexual ad a Christian .. it is totally absolute sin in the eyes of GOD . .Not in the eyes of the Pope ,Archbishop, Cardinal etc ... They are not GOD,but mee morals So Active homosexuals could well live there lives outside the religion on the lines of a religion , apart from their sexuality. Any legal contract or registration of marriage would not comply with the word of God .. Sun 18 Jul 2010 08:44:30 GMT+1 Icebloo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=86#comment524 It's time more people in more countries took a stand against religious leaders running our lives. Religious leaders are unelected - they should keep their noses out of politics. If they want to get involved in shaping our laws then they need to run for office AND pay taxes like the rest of us.Politicians need to stop being so weak and letting religious leaders dictate our laws. Politicians should resign if they aren't strong enough to make laws.I am an atheist. I do not want religions or religious leaders interfering in my life. That's my choice as a taxpayer and an adult. Why do I have religion forced on me because weak politicians won't stand up to them ? Sun 18 Jul 2010 08:32:42 GMT+1 happybrian123 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=86#comment523 The birth rate will drop. Perhaps 'Gay' should be encouraged in China, India and everywhere that the births are high? Sun 18 Jul 2010 08:30:29 GMT+1 kbr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=86#comment522 "What impact will Argentina's legalising of gay marriage have?"Probably none, assuming that no physical interaction is involved (such as a blow, strike by missile or fist, etc.); it will, however have an EFFECT on the social and moral climates of Argentina and other countries. Sun 18 Jul 2010 08:23:11 GMT+1 Chazz Trinder http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=86#comment521 I have no quarrel with gays or indeed gay marriage - good luck to them I say. But I am always amused by the way Christians cherry pick the bits of the bible that accord with their preferences and ignore the rest.I am an atheist but my understanding of Christianity is that it is based on the revealed word of god as written down in the bible.In Leviticus 20:13 –it says that a man shall not lie with another man as he would with a woman, and if he does, this act will be considered an abomination in the eyes of God.Two thousand years later Christians decide that they prefer the 21st century’s more enlightened approach to homosexuality . So they say - I think what god meant to say is that far from homosexuality being an "abomination" it is in fact perfectly ok for gays to get married in the church. Modern Christians discard huge swathes of The Bible and replace them with their own beliefs which they consider to be better and more enlightened. What prevents them from taking the next logical step of discarding the whole bible and indeed their entire faith? Sun 18 Jul 2010 08:13:04 GMT+1 domestic http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=85#comment520 493. At 10:37pm on 17 Jul 2010, Marc wrote:People don't chose their sexual orientation. They are born with it, (same gender attraction) and it has been around since Greek times and probably much longer. Human love should have no boundaries. This is progress for Homo Sapiens and a slap in the face to homophobics. What ever floats your boat. I may be straight but I am not narrow minded thanks to my mother who had gay friends who I grew up around. I would not deny happyness to any human being...How about bisexuals then or are they just confused? Sun 18 Jul 2010 08:10:04 GMT+1 Lyn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=85#comment519 Argentina's legalization of Gay marriage will hopefully serve as an example to my own country. Though many of the population are Catholic, they didn't take it upon themselves to restrict and persecute homosexuals. Here they call it the American Dream, seeking one's happiness, and we continue to deny this basic right to many of our citizens.I have family members who are gay, I have friends who were raised(by birth or adoption) by both gay and lesbian parents. I was raised by a man and a woman, but I do not see that those other kids missed out on anything. My friends who were raised by homosexual couples have warm, accepting, and supportive family environments(even as adults). In contrast to some heterosexual families, there is no such thing as an unwanted child. Every child has been fought for, is a blessing, and is treated as such. The legalization of gay marriage will only make these stronger families. Sun 18 Jul 2010 07:27:19 GMT+1 Bradwarden http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=85#comment518 This is not a human rights matter at all, nor is this about religious extremism. The same nonsensical arguments that are used in favour of homosexuality can also be used in favour of Bestiality, Incest and Child Sex. Should we as human beings allow that too then? This is not even a rationally debatable issue and no matter how many times I see this happen, it's always shocking. The Argentinian Government, despite being a democracy, has enforced a law that the vast majority of its citizens are opposed to. If the Argentinian government truly believes in the "rationale" behind legalizing gay marriage, then they by default must also legalize sex with a consenting minor, bestiality and incest, because the same arguments can be used for their legalization. Same goes for all the other countries that have legalized gay marriage. Maybe in a few years, somebody is going to start arguing that people are born with sexual feelings for cows or horses and that they should also be allowed to marry them. Brothers and Sisters should also perhaps marry each other. Sun 18 Jul 2010 07:18:47 GMT+1 Andy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=85#comment517 467. At 5:18pm on 17 Jul 2010, LordP wrote:311. At 3:19pm on 16 Jul 2010, BradyFox wrote:261. At 12:24pm on 16 Jul 2010, LordP wrote:...So, 'if' Jesus was gay (and there is absolutely no evidence that he or the disciples were), would he not have refered to gay marriage in the above text?...For the same reason, I guess, why the bible doesn't specify the name of every animal that God created or why there is nothing about whether or not God created beings on other planets. The bible does not include everything - it is not an encyclopdia Sun 18 Jul 2010 06:35:36 GMT+1 Andy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=85#comment516 445. At 2:29pm on 17 Jul 2010, bobbgooduk wrote:Did Adam and Eve get married? If they did, who conducted the service? ...--------I don't know if they got married or not or even if either said "I do", "I might" or "OK, what the heck". What I would like to know is, if Adam and Eve are being held up as the "model family" we should follow, how did they manage to have grandchildren (think about who the parents may have been and certain acts that we would consider illegal)?I have also heard it said that, as Eve was created to keep Adam company (or words to that effect), that all women are here just to keep men company and are, therefore, not as important as men. Rubbish, I'm sure you'll agree as everyone is, or should be, equal.I agree with the rest of your comments as well - basically, I accept that "the bible says that God created Adam and Eve" and stop there. Sun 18 Jul 2010 06:26:56 GMT+1 oakwoodbank http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=85#comment515 According to the Office for National Statistics, heterosexual marriages are at the lowest rate ever. Despite an increase after rules on where you could get wed were liberalised, fewer people are getting married than at any time in more than 100 years. A total of 232,990 couples tied the knot in 2008 - down from 235,370 in 2007 and the lowest total since 1895. So why do homosexual couples want to marry? What are the advantages?One thing that I do raise an objection to is for homosexuals who are partners and live together, having the right to adopt children. I know that there are many children awaiting adoption and fostering but it seems to me to be wrong to place children in situations with which they may later find emotional discomfort from finding themselves in a culture not of their choosing and which may be different to their genetic predisposition. As has been expressed by other posters, children need a mother and a father. Sun 18 Jul 2010 06:18:16 GMT+1 Andy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=84#comment514 355. At 7:51pm on 16 Jul 2010, Peter Dewsnap wrote:195. At 06:42am on 16 Jul 2010, Andy wrote:179. At 03:10am on 16 Jul 2010, Peter Dewsnap wrote:I don't agree. It makes a mockery of marriage. If these people want such a life style, then that is their prerogative but don't advertise it, I don't want to know.------So why do you even comment on it?Fair question Andy. I comment because I am sick and tired of the subject being pushed at me incessantly by newspapers and TV news here in the US. I would like to see them drop it.--------Peter, until such time as all people, gays or any other minority group for that matter, have the same rights as everyone else, then it won't/can't be dropped. Not bringing subjects such as this to people's attention won't make the issue go away - in fact, I might even venture to go as far as to suggest that it's exactly because of people like you that this sort of thing *needs* to be brought to everyone's attention.And, no, I'm not gay - but I can see the inequity of denying people the same rights as everyone else based on nothing but prejudice. Sun 18 Jul 2010 05:15:09 GMT+1 Andy Kadir-Buxton http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=84#comment513 The first Roman Emperor to convert to Christianity was Gay, as was the Christian that saved him. It is right that homosexuals should be able to marry, and it is up to the Pope in these Catholic countries to see the use for it. There are many Gay politicians that can be converted by the right Christian and this can only be good for persecuted Christians everywhere. Sun 18 Jul 2010 04:42:22 GMT+1 zathros http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=84#comment512 This comment is for, and about, "in_the_uk". I think some people don't understand that the beliefs people have based on the Bible must be questioned and debated all the time. As I believe the "Bible" to be the Living Word of God, insomuch as Christ was the Word of God made Flesh and in this manner walked upon Earth. This "Word" must be read and understood with the help of the other part of God, the "Holy Spirit". I have not read anywhere in this thread, (it could most possible I missed it) mention of the part of "God" most active in the world today, remember Jesus said to wait till he sent his "Spirit". All these Bible quotes people using to rail against each other, believers against believer, against non believers. People damning religions people ,religious people damning whole groups. Have people forgotten than God views sin as all equal in his eyes? I have people state what they believe is Catholic Doctrine from both sides of the argument and I wonder where these people get the opinions from. I would suggest that people read C.S. Lewis's , "Mere Christianity", an excellent book. I would suggest more people actually reads the "Bible". Read it in context, not picking and choosing verses to prove your arguments. A leap of faith would be a general request to the being, however you wish to address the concept, to allow, if possible, you (in general( to understand how these words affect you. My experience with people who call themselves "Gay" is that as people,e they cover the same range of personalities, as those who call themselves straight. Some are extremely monogamous, others sleep with whoever they can. I take no offense from "in_the_uk comment's because about horrors he points out about what certain peoples have done in the name of the church, under the guise of the church. These are people, just people, the same kind who abuse in others positions which create the circumstance they can abuse in. As far as brainwashing one's child with "crazy" religious ideas, well there is truth in that. The church I grew up in was so bad, I avoided anything to do with God or religion. I teach my son my belief's in God, and he shares his beliefs and experiences. At 10 years old, he has profound "in the eyes of a child" perspectives. My son says to me by just looking around at the "order" he see, belief in God is obvious for him. To my fellow Christians, there are far too many people suffering in the world from disease and starvation, war and pestilence, to spend too much time on this issue. To "in_the_uk", keep doing God's work. Knock people off their creaky foundations. Some people are to smug and with their beliefs the attempt to "tie the hands of God". I study physics very much. I am a Machinist and Electronic Technician, Carpenter, I also do Masonry, fly small aircraft and repair small aircraft. I also do a lot of Computer Aided Design. I have never seen or read anything scientific which conflicts with my belief in God.Sometimes, especially during "close calls" I have had when flying, I have felt the presence of the "Holy Spirit". I have seen an Angel, during a near death experience ( 9 hour Spinal Cord Surgery), this Angel was with me for 3 days, while I was awake and while I was unconscious. By following this creatures advice, I was able to clear my blocked digestive track. I know this to be true but can prove it to no one and do not try to. I do share it with people, and have found quite a few with similar experiences. I rambling now. Just my humble opinions and experiences.. Sun 18 Jul 2010 02:41:25 GMT+1 jamie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=84#comment511 gea vox sorry i dont want to point to you persay but what you said is true to some degree, but tell me when there isnt any children left in the world due to some of that, the old ways might be a little more appealing, plus on another note its not gay marriage or any other kid of marriage i dont care, the only thing i hate is when thay are kissing ect in the street, i dont even like it if your straight but for some reason maybe me but it seems gay couples espically ladys and men couples when thay do it in public thay want to be seen and wind alot of people up, plus the way thay act isnt being gay its to take the mick i know a gay person he doesnt do half the stuff some do. Sun 18 Jul 2010 02:37:22 GMT+1 jamie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=84#comment510 i got nothing against gay marriage, but i think we have enough problems at the time being kids in this country popping out children no role models no fathers no intrest no life, familys messed up id rather sort these problems out first than gay marriage after all yeh thay can adopt kids but mainly a man and women ahs to have those kids and i think thats where the catholics might have a problem due to them not allowing to cast children aside and belive in family man and wife ect, there will be alot of tension thats for sure. Sun 18 Jul 2010 02:30:43 GMT+1 in_the_uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=84#comment509 485. At 8:41pm on 17 Jul 2010, minsa wrote:""My fiancé’s mother is a good person except she is catholic."Its quite incredible, but no surprise that you actually get away with stating this. Had you have made this statement using an ethic description as opposed to a religious one; your post would never have been posted. Which is a fantastic demonstration of not only your prejudice (akin to the most appalling form of racism) but also that the BBC choose to display it."If you read the rest of the post you would see why I make such a statement. It is not based on prejudice but on solid fact of how her faith effects her in life. Religion affects people in different ways. Otherwise there would be no religious terrorist, or we all would be."Insofar as in_the_uk's fiance's mother embraces Catholic prejudices against homosexuals she is not a good person."This is the reason for replying to the post. As far as I am aware she is not prejudice against homosexuals although I will mention that I dont ever see her interact with any. I choose to believe she is a good person until proven otherwise. The otherwise would be to act on the prejudice of the church.If she or anyone discriminates against a homosexual on the basis of the churches teachings, that would only demonstrate the quote you took from my comment. Sun 18 Jul 2010 00:10:59 GMT+1 4FreeSpeech http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=83#comment508 Frankly, I'm more perturbed about a country that refused to extradite a convicted pedophile and fugitive, or a church that equates pedophile priests with women seeking to be ordained. If that's too vague, I'm referring to Switzerland and the Vatican. I think both of these are more deserving of a HYS debate than gay marriage, an issue that has been debated to death. Sun 18 Jul 2010 00:07:51 GMT+1 in_the_uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=83#comment507 477. At 7:52pm on 17 Jul 2010, domestic wrote:By the way. I'm an atheist and I can't prove he doesn't exist, ------------------------------Can you proove faries exist? They have more evidence of existence than god. Why is it in the domain of the real world to prove something doesnt exist? It is in the domain of the real world to prove things exist yet god is lacking in proof.But this by itself is not dangerous.Swap god with fairies and assume 91% of argentina believe in faries. And the preachers of the fairy folk state that homosexuality is wrong and should be opposed. This is dangerous.Yet the being has no say. Neither god or a fairy has stated this, it is men who have stated it. Men descriminating against men they dont like Sun 18 Jul 2010 00:04:27 GMT+1 domestic http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=83#comment506 Gay activists repeat the 10% figure with broken-record frequency because they know it is key to their efforts to advancing their political agenda. Activist Bruce Voeller said in a recent book:"I campaigned with Gay groups and in the media across the country for the Kinsey-based [10%] finding that `We are everywhere.' This slogan became a National Gay Task Force leitmotif. And the issues derived from the implications of the Kinsey data became key parts of the national political, educational and legislative programs during my years at New York's Gay Activist Alliance and the National Gay Task Force. And after years of our educating those who inform the public and make its laws, the concept that 10 percent of the population is gay has become generally accepted `fact.' So lets nail the 10% myth Sat 17 Jul 2010 23:57:50 GMT+1 in_the_uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/what_impact_will_argentinas_le.html?page=83#comment505 469. At 5:39pm on 17 Jul 2010, Rabbitkiller wrote:Note to in_the_uk: Is there a competition for posting the highest number of words? If you can't be more concise I can't be bothered to read your posts. Which is a pity, because you might have some useful points to make if they weren't lost in the verbiage! --------------------------Appologies. My posts are often half mine as almost all are a reply. I try to trim them or use the dividing line (as above) but sometimes I must quote a long or complex post to accurately respond and answer after each quotation.I hope you read my posts as I enjoy the discussion board conversations Sat 17 Jul 2010 23:55:17 GMT+1