Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html en-gb 30 Thu 17 Apr 2014 00:52:40 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html dimwid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=99#comment750 Regarding comment 1# Maggie!!!Thank goodness for that then!! People don't go out on strike for fun!! No pay!! Strikes are never taken lightly and people need to acquaint themselves with all of the reasons before emotive comments are made!! Tue 30 Mar 2010 07:19:44 GMT+1 Fed up with Labour http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=99#comment749 To be honest I laugh at the "I fear safety" jokes.If the majority of people who "work" for the rail companies actually put more effort into their jobs and worked hard they wouldn't need 1500 people to do the maintenance.Anyway - half of them are outsourced jobs! I'm sorry to those of you who DO work hard but those documentaries on the RMT and underground workers shown on the BBC a few years back exposed the lazy and idiotic behaviour of too many rail workers who expected to be paid a ransom for delivering too little.I personally am all for firing RMT members who strike now - enough is enough - you ARE well paid, you have a good job in a recession, and the average commuter (who already pays through the nose for their tickets) have HAD ENOUGH of the inconvenience this causes when you fancy a day off. Tue 30 Mar 2010 07:17:17 GMT+1 derek terrill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=99#comment748 I commute from Peterborough to Kings Cross, of course I will be affected. Do I understand why this is happening? No I don't ... one the one hand Network are telling us that they need to make savings around 20% and part of this is staff cuts, on the otherhand the RMT are telling us that the railways will become unsafe.We spend millions on pointless enquiries such as 'Bloody Sunday', why not spend the money on a simple industrial court that can make a binding decision on such disputes.I don't want to travel on unsafe trains but to be honest I don't trust either side in this dispute.Please don't strike, I need the train as do thousands like me who work in London and all points along the national rail neetwork. Tue 30 Mar 2010 06:57:19 GMT+1 Daisy Chained http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=99#comment747 It makes me smile.In our recent history we have seen a bunch of ogres literally wipe trillions off the value of stocks, the value of money, and the value of our security and we bail them out. Not so much as needle is directed at them by the ruling classes.Here we have a few trade unionists wanting to form a ruck with their miscreant employers and it is as if World War Three has started.You know it is as if the scales of justice have become cataracts over the eyes of a mass of brainless and spineless "look at the size of my wallet" idiots. Tue 30 Mar 2010 06:38:27 GMT+1 Abandon ship http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=99#comment746 I can't sympathise with anyone wingeing at the moment. We are all suffering, especially those in public services. I can't even afford to eat. But you don't see me on strike. Striking simply makes life difficult for the rest of the hard working public. Just imagine if the Police, Fire and Prison service really went on strike like postal/rail/BA with thousands of staff simply refusing to work! The country would be in serious trouble. Just suck it up, grow up and think of those who aren't lucky enough to still have a job!!!! Mon 29 Mar 2010 23:20:24 GMT+1 GBcerberus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=99#comment745 I support the rail workers. Re-nationalise all the public services and utilities. Cut out the profiteers. Mon 29 Mar 2010 20:50:15 GMT+1 greathappyharmony http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=99#comment744 Trade Unions are vital. They are very important in defending the rights of workers. I have never crossed a picket line. However, no Trade Unionist in my experience strikes over 'Safety' in some generalised vague way- it makes no sense as it is not a logical response or method to tackle safety issues. Safety issues are always specific and have to be dealt with in a specific way. The Railway workers on here keep repeating their strike being about 'Safety' but the uncomfortable fact is those of us in other Unions do not recognize the method of striking as a correct response to safety issues so it is worrying that the railway workers are unable to grasp this fact and clarify the real reasons or understand that we would support the strike if given clear and valid reasons. Mon 29 Mar 2010 20:46:16 GMT+1 Pud http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=98#comment743 The unions claim the dispute is about safety. This isn't very convincing as they have a record of siding in favour of workers who are being disciplined for breaking safety rules e.g. tube drivers relegated to station duties (on drivers' pay) for running too many red lights and staff drinking alcohol whilst on duty. Other comments claim that management believe the next government wil be Tory, so they are attacking the unions in advance. I suggest the unions believe the next government will be Tory so are trying to get as much as they can under a favourable Labour government. Mon 29 Mar 2010 20:09:47 GMT+1 deadpansean http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=98#comment742 88. At 10:15pm on 25 Mar 2010, LadyGlasgow wrote:While the Union may believe they had "no option", only 71% of their members took the time to vote and yet only 54% voted in favour of strike action - hardly a huge vote of confidence - eh lads???Look the 'turnout' for this vote was 100% higher than the last general elecion and the strike won by virtue of getting the most votes. If you dont like that system then vote libdem & let get proportional. And maybe we wont have the silly state of affairs where the governing party represents less than a third of those who ACTUALLY voted or less than 17% of the electorate..Its a mad bad world..First past the post is for sport or games NOT for the serious running of a country.. Mon 29 Mar 2010 19:49:01 GMT+1 Jo Moore http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=98#comment741 I will have to start getting the train to work next week, as the company I work for has switched its office location. However, due to the rail strike I will have to get the bus next week, I will be setting off at 6:15 am and getting home about 9:30pm because I will have catch 3 buses to work and 3 buses home. Also I am currently suffering from glandular fever, so my energy levels are currently very low. I could without the stress of a 14 hour day, and the possibility of getting worse. Mon 29 Mar 2010 19:20:10 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=98#comment740 737. TheWalrus999"The Office of Rail Regulation says that it is satisfied with the proposed changes."Perhaps you'd like to post a link to your source. It was my understanding that the ORR had raised significant concerns about various aspects of the proposed changes. Mon 29 Mar 2010 18:22:27 GMT+1 Peter Thomas http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=98#comment739 This strike has nothing to do with safety, and this has been confirmed by the Regulatory Authorities. As with BA it is about power crazy union leaders. I am a Trade Union member, and I abhor both these strike actions. It is high time people woke up and realised that we will no longer support such damaging actions. Mon 29 Mar 2010 18:14:52 GMT+1 adelaide http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=98#comment738 If the workers need to strike then i am fully behind them. I might need their support for my own fight one day!!! Mon 29 Mar 2010 18:08:20 GMT+1 Mike Jefferson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=98#comment737 As a final post on this subject, I would like to point out that not many signallers or maintenance staff want to go on strike. We will lose pay for this.I am not a fan of unions or striking, and I agree that some of the signallers issues are not strike-worthy, but the safety issues of signallers and maintenance really do warrant immediate action. Unfortunately, it has come to a strike.If all the experts on here have their way, us railwaymen would be chased out of town as criminals. You may well get your way. In addition to some of the very bitter, malicious comments on here (despite complaints to the moderator), I have now started receiving malcious comments on social networking sites. How long before I receive abuse in person?When exactly did democracy die? Throughout this episode I, and many other railwaymen on here, have tried to present the facts, from an inside, knowledgeable perspective, trying to undo the damage of the tabloids. Yet there are plenty of people on here, and elsewhere, who are content to ignore that and carry on ripping into us for standing up for safety, amongst other things. But not pay, as a lot of people are hell-bent on thinking.To sum up, if I did feel guilty about striking before, I sure don't anymore. Mon 29 Mar 2010 17:41:33 GMT+1 TheWalrus999 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=98#comment736 The Office of Rail Regulation says that it is satisfied with the proposed changes.This is not about safety; it is lefty union officials (Crow et al), throwing their weight around. It is time these dinosaurs entered the 21st century. Mon 29 Mar 2010 17:41:29 GMT+1 vin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=97#comment735 Who cares, There too expensive, badly run and do not go anywhere I go. Get rid of the lot for me. Mon 29 Mar 2010 17:38:12 GMT+1 badge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=97#comment734 Am I the only person who finds it very strange that companies like BA have chosen the run up to an election to confront the unions.Both sides of a dispute should be forced by law to negotiate disputes. Mon 29 Mar 2010 17:36:40 GMT+1 Paddington http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=97#comment733 shouldn't we all be glad we have the right to strike?In many part of the world workers do not have that right.In this country, workers have suffered and even died for that right.You may be inconvenienced, but freedom and democracy can do that. Mon 29 Mar 2010 17:22:22 GMT+1 ellis http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=97#comment732 the comments just get worse and the facts of the strike have vanished into to talk of getting rid of a labour goverment so we can bring in another bunch of fools who give it time will be caught up in scandal and leave the country in more mess!!!im a railway man and have been for over a decade,ive seen the changes that have happened and ive seen the staff numbers get less and less yet the demands by management get more and more and targets must be hit or hell is to pay!!!when i started my gang was 12 men from which the patrolman and his lookout would come from,that left ten men from which 2-3 lookout would be used which left 7-8 to work.now its a gang of 8 which the patrolman and 2 lookouts is taken out(2 lookout because network rail feel its needed although it was fine befor with 1)so five lads left which up to 2-3 lookout can be needed,so now we have 2-3 lads working with targets to hit that were greater targets than when 7-8 men were working.if people struggle with the maths,this means =LESS MAINTENANCE,LESS SAFETY....so again for all you people that struggle to get the facts or seem to think its something about a bloody election its not- ITS SAFETY YOURS AND MY MEN...one final point as money seems to be a big issue for most of you not the rail staff,network rail have no money "really" well they managed to spend millions on training centres yet training is at a all time low and when its used to be is a class room where you was given a mountain of knoledge from instructors with a mass of knoledge of the railways,now its online and my 4 year old could get through most of it because you can get answers from books and thats aloud!!!!!last week i was given a team of contract staff due to lack of men "oh lack of men" and the contract staff were all africans who barely spoke english and i was meant allow them to work thinking they understood my safety talk befor we started the work(oh and this team per-man cost more than network rail staff)full page ads in the papers,tv adverts which have not helped safety one little bit,they hire most of there plant for a mass of money when to buy works out cheaper,they hold big meetings at fancy hotels,pay huge bonus to the big boses,buy cheap hi-vis clothing which needs to be changed 2-3 times a year!!!!alone ive just saved network rail millions but sod it lets cut safety some more lets wait for the day when it was one cut to many and then lets wait for all you people who said its about money suddenly change your comments to how bad the raiway maitenance is to lack good workers and why contract staff were allowed to let this happen "BUT REMEMBER THESE STRIKES AS 1500 ARE BEING LET GO AND WE ARE SURE AS HELL GONNA FIGHT FOR SAFETY AND OUR JOBS" Mon 29 Mar 2010 17:18:36 GMT+1 SirReausThought http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=97#comment731 719 D1g1tal5tormChange the law to allow companies to recruit temporary staffIt all boils down to money - don’t treat the public as foolsIf you do not want to be treated as a fool - don’t say foolish things.You might get one of those temporary doctors from afar so be careful not to get sick. You could of course get a temporary fireman so don’t have a fire. Or a temporary pilot. That might be good for you. If he flew upside down you might see the strikes in a different way Mon 29 Mar 2010 17:13:55 GMT+1 Mike Jefferson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=97#comment730 729. At 5:28pm on 29 Mar 2010, hackedofffromsussex wrote:"if you thought your pay and working conditions are crap, go do a 6 month tour in Afghanistan with the British Army that will give you a reality check!!"Er, we don't think our pay and conditions are crap - that's why we would like to protect them if we can. Rather simple really.Please also note I am currently a signaller for Network Rail, and an ex-solider of the Royal Signals. Lectures about doing military service to find out what life is really like don't work on me. Mon 29 Mar 2010 16:56:05 GMT+1 Mike Jefferson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=97#comment729 727. At 4:35pm on 29 Mar 2010, stracepipe wrote:"This strike has nothing to do with safety.....I worked for P&O European Ferries in 1990 (university summer holiday job), as a ship stewardess & even now 20 yrs later, I still consider it by far the best job I have ever had.....Long serving crew members told me how the union used to bully Townsend Thoresen's management. They even called a strike over the crew having chop sauce & the officers having HP. The NUS weren't that interested in safety; they weren't even interested in their members' jobs, pay or conditions. They were just a bunch of marxist bully boys throwing their weight around. Ditto the RMT."So, what you are saying is that because your ferry crowd went on strike over brown sauce, our strike is illegitimate? Excuse me if I fail to see the connection. Yes, the leader of the RMT is a bully. Then again, some might say it takes one to beat one (not my personal opinion, but it is a perspective nonetheless). Furthermore, I challenge you to state your occupation (doesn't breach privacy rights) to validate why you think you know more about the strike than, say, me - a signaller with Network Rail who stands to lose quite a bit of money in the name of the very thing you say our strike isn't about:SAFETY. Mon 29 Mar 2010 16:45:41 GMT+1 hackedofffromsussex http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=96#comment728 Seriously, if there is no job to be had what on earth is the point on trying to hang on to something that doesn't exist!! In case the unions haven't quite got the message yet there is a very serious and deep economic issue in the UK and globally. Companies are laying off staff left, left right and centre and entering receivership on a daily basis. So Network Rail/ACAS, BA and UNITE, don't be under any illusion that you are both immune from the economic downturn as you are NOT and can quite easily go to the wall like any other company!! The best you can do is keep you head down and hope to dodge the bullets!! And on the subject of bullets and dodging, if you thought your pay and working conditions are crap, go do a 6 month tour in Afghanistan with the British Army that will give you a reality check!! Mon 29 Mar 2010 16:28:03 GMT+1 RamoneSinister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=96#comment727 " 451. At 4:32pm on 26 Mar 2010, paul wrote:Can nobody see the big pictur here, there is a concerted push and attempt to batter unions, management are deliberatley pushing workers into this, much as the Glady's Hacksaw of the 70's did.Business scents a possible Tory government and are pushing to align themselves to the old Tory VALUES i.e Pigs in the trough.As reported 116 industrial relations experts, have accused Willie Walsh of union-busting. The same goes for the Trains and probably any other industry that thinks it can decimate peoples terms and conditions.Why not just reinstate slavery and be done with."Exactly. Last years Royal Mail strike happened because rather than targeting waste in the system bosses tried to cut across the board. London postal staff lost 18 days pay to highlight it. and what do we hear from the tories? "There's never a right time to strike. Just get back to work," completely ignoring the fact that something has gone seriously wrong for so many people to agree to strike action. Mon 29 Mar 2010 15:37:48 GMT+1 stracepipe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=96#comment726 This strike has nothing to do with safety. Safety is the excuse because they know they will not get public support otherwise. The RMT, in it's former guise of the NUS, used the sinking of the "Herald of Free Enterprise" as its justification for the seaman's strike, in the late 1980s, when in fact one of the largest contributory factors, to that disaster, was that the union had undermined all concept of ship board discipline, and that job demarkation meant that the bosun hadn't closed the bow doors, when he found the assistant bosun (whose job it was) was missing because he didn't consider it his job. As a ferry enthusiast, Mr/Ms moderator, I have a full copy of the report of the official enquiry by Lord Justice Sheen. P&O sacked the strikers, replaced them and brought in new working practices. The union screamed that it undermined safety and overworked the crew, yet I worked for P&O European Ferries in 1990 (university summer holiday job), as a ship stewardess & even now 20 yrs later, I still consider it by far the best job I have ever had. They had the best working conditions, the best pay (I was on £14,000/yr pro rata in 1990 for making up bunks & serving tea) and the most perks (steak for breakfast every day!). The crew worked 2 weeks out of 5 and all had other jobs, so they couldn't have been that overworked. Long serving crew members told me how the union used to bully Townsend Thoresen's management. They even called a strike over the crew having chop sauce & the officers having HP. The NUS weren't that interested in safety; they weren't even interested in their members' jobs, pay or conditions. They were just a bunch of marxist bully boys throwing their weight around. Ditto the RMT. Mon 29 Mar 2010 15:35:32 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=96#comment725 724. polcirkel"the unions are still trying to live in the steam age"If you bothered to look at the issues involved in this dispute you would see that it is management trying to turn back the clock to an age when train companies were run for profit with little regard for safety. Mon 29 Mar 2010 15:23:55 GMT+1 connando9 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=96#comment724 Unions.Are.Social.TerroristsThere is no place for them in the modern world and there is no justice in everyone else being held to ransom by these thoughtless, selfish, small-minded people. There are many thousands of people who would willing take the jobs in BA, National Rail and others that are contemplating industrial action. Mon 29 Mar 2010 15:06:49 GMT+1 Wrinklyoldgit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=96#comment723 The unions can see the writing on the wall, and it says "Act now, NuLabour is weak spineless gutless heartless & hopeless NuLabour, when the Tories get in they won't stand for this nonsense".As for the safety of the railways depending on the 1500 jobs that are going, Uthe unions are being economical with the truth, for it were shown that safety was being compromised, the health and safety executive would be all over Network Rail and court actions would be flying thick and fast.I have worked on the rail system, successive governments have seriously underfunded the system for decades. We have an old system struggling to move into the 21st. century on a shoestring budget, still reliant on hard wired signalling, prime movers and stock left over from the nineteen seventies, and track laid by the drunken English navvy on his way home from Friday night benders. Government rail policy is truly is pathetic, the unions are still trying to live in the steam age - the whole kit and caboodle should be re-nationalised asap, long term plans for high speed rail hastened along, including satelite control and new faster direct routes laid out - and the Rural England / Friends of the Earth NIMBY's sent packing even before they start their protests. Mon 29 Mar 2010 14:43:47 GMT+1 confusus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=96#comment722 “Ain’t our fault gov’!”, bleat the union, “its (perm any one from the following) management, management intractability, the rail companies, Network Rail, Railtrack (a good one, no one remembers that), the regulator (another good one, no one knows who that is or what they do – probably including those called that), and (two old faithful’s) cheap migrant labour/ subsidised foreign imports (chose one that could vaguely apply), or profiteering shareholders!”Is this a time warp to the 70’s, will fashion now slide to platform shoes, tank tops, flares and the mullet cut? This is the same speech as heard out side Leyland, then British Leyland, during that decade! Whilst it still in existence. Where are all the jobs the unions safeguarded there?Oh well at least the majority of coach companies will still exist when there are no railways left! Very eco-friendly union! Mon 29 Mar 2010 14:29:44 GMT+1 Steve http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=96#comment721 Scrap the trade unions...... BA and the Network Rail are not doing this for the sake of it. They need to save money. Fact..... With the strike action it only brings more chaos to the country and push people away from the service. It is a shame that job losses are a concern and while the union members fill the pockets of the union reps who are worried about there own jobs maybe consider not joining a union. No job is safe in whatever sector. BA and Network Rail need to sack the stikers and employ the people that are looking for work and are prepared to work. I will never travel BA again and avoid the trains at all cost. I will look to travel with a foreign airline and drive because of the unreliability of the services. More reliable and better service can be sought. This country is lazy and needs a boot up it. Scrap the unions for sure. Give jobs to people who are willing to work without union intervention. Bring this country back and not be held to ransom. Shame on England...... Mon 29 Mar 2010 14:29:26 GMT+1 Val http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=95#comment720 All debate about whether or not the strike is right-minded aside, it WILL affect me and my husband (and no doubt thousands of others, too). Our story will be typical of many other families, so this may sound familiar to some of you out there in HYS land.My husband and I work near the city centre, but live at the Kent borders. Our daughter goes to a local nursery, so my husband drops her off in the morning (and works later), and I pick her up (and go to work earlier). I typically can't get away from work before 4:30 pm, and it takes me an hour and a half to get to the nursery, which shuts at 6:30 pm. This leaves me half-an-hour leeway in case I am delayed. Being even five minutes late picking up a child at our nursery incurs extortionate late fees.Southeastern, the train company serving our area, has told us that they will definitely restrict services to 7 am to 7 pm only during the strike, but have not given further details. Will there be less trains? Will the last trains of the day run only from one station, or from all three London termini used by Southeastern? As with other people who have commented here, I am annoyed that a plan has not been announced to the public by Southeastern, when a check of the National Rail dedicated strike site shows that other train companies have already published detailed schedules for the week of the industrial action.It was the same story when we had our bad weather through December and January - we were often told nothing until it was too late to make alternate arrangements. To make things worse, the delays and cancellations didn't end with the bad weather - I have not gone a single week this year without either hearing the 'apology' announcement for a delayed or cancelled train, or watched helplessly as my train arrival time gets pushed back, minute by minute, while I wait on the platform. I have also noticed that trains are a car or two shorter than usual, on a regular basis. My and my husband's commutes have become much less predictable since December last year. It is interesting that this hints at a rolling-stock maintenance problem, given that maintenance crews are some of those about to strike.So for us, it is not so much the strike itself that will put a spanner in the works of our daily grind, but rather the apparent inability of the train company serving our area to tell us what they are doing far enough ahead of time that we can do something about it. This is a strong hint to me that they have no clear 'emergency' plan whatsoever.It's time to re-nationalise the railways in this country. I think private companies have had plenty of time to demonstrate that they do not have the interests or concerns of their passengers (and possibly even their own staff) at heart. For my part, all I want is an affordable and safe rail network I can rely on to get me from A to B consistently. Mon 29 Mar 2010 14:23:09 GMT+1 Nannyfree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=95#comment719 I, like many, may well be affected as I have planned holidays that week, with some travel by rail, not that they really care.The union leaders are acting like the mansgers they stood up to in times gone past, stuck in old style tactics.Things have changed but union bosses seem more concerned about building their own power base/ ego and less for the workers or changes which may be both necessary and right.I say to the union leaders; take off the blinkers, set aside your ego and negotiate on real issues. Mon 29 Mar 2010 13:43:34 GMT+1 digitalstorm http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=95#comment718 Change the law to allow companies to recruit temporary staff.Not only will they probably do a better job than the full time staff who dont want their jobs, but it'll put an immediate stop to any further strikes by any other ungrateful employees.It all boils down to money - dont treat the public as fools. Mon 29 Mar 2010 13:02:00 GMT+1 AJS http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=95#comment717 I would be *proud* to be affected by strike action on the railways.It shows that there are still people who care enough to bleed when their neighbour is cut. Mon 29 Mar 2010 12:54:41 GMT+1 Clive http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=95#comment716 I wasn't affected by the BA strikes, but the rail strikes will affect me.I feel sorry for the 1500 or so who may be unemployed but I've been made redundant in the past - not pleasant, but it's life...It happens.Yes, I can work from home but that is not the point. If I walk up to my boss and tell him I'm going to go on strike, he'd likely make it permanent for me! If I'm not happy in my job, I update my CV and I move on.I know someone who works on the lines and all he talks about is the money he is after. Maybe other people do care about the safety (and I applaud you for that), but I would assume that my friend is not the only one whose biggest reason to strike is for money. Mon 29 Mar 2010 12:47:20 GMT+1 SirReausThought http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=95#comment715 425 Electric HermitYou left out one other management ploy.Management have the one day safety seminar. Some supposedly know all on safety gives a 2 hour talk. Then follows biscuits and tea. AND then, sign here to say that management have done their duty. Their backsides will be clear if there is an accident. The management can then claim. “ This man had all the necessary training and instruction, here is his signature to that effect. Mon 29 Mar 2010 12:29:23 GMT+1 amdc101 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=95#comment714 BA are trying to break the union and Network rail are endangering safety.what choice do workers have...?roll over and die, or fight for their jobs, conditions, and passenger safetyIf these actions win then we'll all be better off. The right to strike is the only way that workers have to protect themselves collectively, get rid of that, as some here are suggesting, and you might as well send your kids up chimneys and get rid of free health care. Money for the capitalists is getting tight and they need new avenues of exploitation to explore, and getting rid of organised Trade unions is the first step down that route. Mon 29 Mar 2010 12:19:52 GMT+1 SSnotbanned http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=94#comment713 ....if only we still had a railway. We are living on Beeching Street here.''On the edge of Beeching Street,A hardcore stone's throw from the mileage sign,Destination Lost,Where the action isn't.Missing Persons,Missing luggage,Missing personators.It's murder.Backward looking then,Backward looking now,A backward looking forwardA train of thought that shunts,stunts.Any old iron,tired tin and rusty rust,The rats have got all the Tarmac Tickets,Trains are Thomas, Comics come,Cyclists and cornflowers,The world drops off on a Dali Watch,Maybe someday the wheels will spin.In a feverfew,level-headed Civil Service Department,Trains:Planted Artery: Stamped: Buffers,Approved.''.[Apologies to JCC] Mon 29 Mar 2010 12:19:20 GMT+1 Jock http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=94#comment712 Funny how its that same old convenient excuse of "safety". What a crock.Its time the unions were disbanded. They are an unpleasant outdated remnant from the 20th century. They have done nothing for our countries industry or economy apart from cause damage. Anyone who strikes should face immediate discaplinary action, and continued striking should lead to sacking. Mon 29 Mar 2010 12:07:11 GMT+1 pandatank http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=94#comment711 #494. Albert wrote:"The BA and BR unions must want a Tory government."We've had a Tory government for the last 31 years, time for a change Mon 29 Mar 2010 12:05:00 GMT+1 pandatank http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=94#comment710 #93. thomas wrote:"I can't forget watching a TV documentary on Rail Workers. It showed men who were supposed to be doing essential repair drinking alcohol, frittering away their time and doing precious little productive work during their night shift . Investigations showed that it sometimes took months for the simplest task to be completed much to the amusement of these so called workers.These too were Union members and where was their concern for public safety then? How can we trust these men when they act in such a dangerous way. They lost my sympathy that night and it will take a lot to regain it."What you seem to have forgotten was that documentary was an expose on how privatising the maintenance regimes was putting public safety at risk. They were non-unionised poorly trained private company workers, which is how the undercover journalist was able to infiltrate the "gang" so easily. Tha pay structure was such that they got paid for "turning up" irrespective. The fact that they actually had no one suitably qualified to accept a "permit to work" on live rails was the reason they spent most of their time playing cards and the reason why the job had ridiculous costs (something like £1/2 Million to fill in 8 potholes, if I recall) The price was compared to the cost of the job IF the unionised & nationalised workers would have done it.#495 Ravenmorpheus2k wrote "None of us support the bailout of the banks but at least that's minor when compared to the potential loss of earnings or increased cost to get to work on the days (weeks) the rail strikes are taking place"That's strange I don't remember a £20,000 debt being incurred for everyone in the country after any strike (or series of strikes). The fact that no one supported the bail out, but it happened anyway doesn't concern you? But we're supposed to get upset when actually (it would appear) there's less public support for this? You really should review what you write for logic and reasioned argument before you post. Mon 29 Mar 2010 12:01:28 GMT+1 DN http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=94#comment709 This all seems quite silly to me, maybe I'm looking at it all from to simple a point of view (stript away all the complicated bits). The rail operators who want to axe jobs are being quite stupid, I mean 1500 people... couldn't the pencil pushers take a slight cut, maybe return a bonus which they probably didn't deserve anyway (based on the service I've recieved since the fare went up £11 p.m. last year and following job cuts since then my fare still hasn't gone down, and service is now worse at my station thanks to lack of staff). Could you imagine just how long delays will become with a big chunk of the work force missing?At the same time though, the work force can't be allowed to threaten every rail commuter, (yes it will probably be more bother the the little people rather than the rail operators who are apparently more important than the staff in their employ), with strike action and should be sacked at the picket line and replaced by the thousands of unemployed presently a massive drain on my taxes.So, at the moment I am sypathetic to the work force but should they go ahead with their strike, as far as i'm concerned they're no better and don't deserve a thing. Mon 29 Mar 2010 11:51:15 GMT+1 Ray Evans http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=94#comment708 We will ALL be affected! Mon 29 Mar 2010 11:23:52 GMT+1 Rob jones http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=94#comment707 Rail fares are too high.It is a luxary form of transport now days competition in Europe demand that fares sink to the lowest country of Europe like latvia? The country cannot afford such high wages in the rail industry based on artifically inflated fares.This is a strike is like the BA dispute, for the few,by the few,to influence politics not reality.This is just the first of the labour summer of strikes many more will follow. Mon 29 Mar 2010 10:53:47 GMT+1 Paul http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=94#comment706 Doesn't bother me. If the railways go on strike, I'll just fly instead. Oh hang on ... Mon 29 Mar 2010 10:09:53 GMT+1 Mike Jefferson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=93#comment705 671. At 5:21pm on 28 Mar 2010, chomntaille wrote:"Its interest is purely and simply in saving members jobs and increasing their pay, they have no concern for safety and would gladly maintain unsafe practices, incompetent and unsafe staff."I presume that you are not of the railway breed, else you would not dare turn up to work having come out with that comment. We are not incompetent or unsafe. Every railway employee in the UK has safety at the very front of his/her mind, especially those on-track! To accuse us of this is downright insulting, and I'm afraid, my 'learned' friend, wrong.Regarding the dispute, the maintenance dispute is about saving 1500 jobs. The upcoming strike is regarding signalling staff. As a signaller I have reiterated this so many times to the deaf, ignorant media-fuelled, Sun-reading public:THE SIGNALLER'S DISPUTE IS NOT ABOUT PAY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. IT'S ABOUT YOUR SAFETY. GET A GRIP OF THAT CONCEPT - EVERY TIME YOU STEP FOOT ON A TRAIN THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE LOOKING AFTER YOUR PERSONAL WELFARE THAN THERE ARE FIGHTING IN AFGHANISTAN. Surprised? I thought not. The truth does not sell well. Mon 29 Mar 2010 10:00:45 GMT+1 Glen Thomas http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=93#comment704 694. Electric Hermit" 693. PMGlenThomas "Striking is not going to make money appear out of thin air!" The RMT action is not about money. This fact is not a secret. It would take some effort to avoid being aware of it.Indeed the strike is not over PAY, but the changes planned are due to a shortage of finance. Have a think about it Hermit. Mon 29 Mar 2010 09:47:54 GMT+1 Shaunus in Poole http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=93#comment703 Its a Deja Vu of the late 70's and 80'sA load of rich people in london not knowing how to be happy with what they have, wanting more and taking taking taking - Yuppies, MP's Solicitors etc.Workers on strike with 3 day weeks. Useless British Management and lackey middle management and a workforce where 60% can't be bothered to do the job.Find yourself position and cling on for dear life... Britain its brilliant. Mon 29 Mar 2010 09:29:11 GMT+1 Nina http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=93#comment702 BA, British Gas, Now the national rail. NEXT!! Becoming a trend as under Labour in the 70's and 80's. Mon 29 Mar 2010 09:16:57 GMT+1 U13667051 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=93#comment701 Typical end to a Labour government. National bankruptcy and strikes. Mon 29 Mar 2010 08:57:21 GMT+1 STIG http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=93#comment700 So then "Is it safe ?" Mon 29 Mar 2010 08:52:19 GMT+1 Guardian of the Iron Road http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=93#comment699 How much does anyone think Network Rail pay contractors for the annual safety inspection of a typical single span bridge?Work requires:-Previous reports to be checked prior to inspectionSafety paperwork prepared for site visitTravel to/from siteExamination of structurePhotographs to be taken of all major partsPreparation and submission of reportBearing in mind the consequences if this is not done correctly, most people might think the value of the work would be several hundreds of pounds, some may think into the thousands.Actually its something like £22 !!!Think about what this buys in the real world and then hope to goodness that the Railway workers succeed in making a stand for sense. Mon 29 Mar 2010 08:47:02 GMT+1 Lynn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=92#comment698 Many managers in the UK are small-minded and arrogant. They are good at spreading rumours. If you join the strike or argue with them, they will put black-mark on you, then you almost certain will lose your job.To them, 1500 is only a number. Their weakness is lack of solid skills and professional knowledge. If you want to fight with the managers, please arm yourself with facts and solid technology. Mon 29 Mar 2010 08:37:36 GMT+1 Stan Pomeray http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=92#comment697 "Union leaders, such as Robert Crow, must be acutely aware that without their Union they would be Nothing"Thats a rather pointless statement, isnt it. You could say that about anyone...."Without football, David Beckham would be nothing"....."without Microsoft Bill Gates would be nothing"....."without BP Tony Hayward would be nothing"......"without music John Lennon would be nothing".Pathetic. Mon 29 Mar 2010 07:41:16 GMT+1 The Ghosts of John Galt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=92#comment696 689. At 11:02pm on 28 Mar 2010, SirReausThought wrote://646 The GhostAt 637 Luskentire WroteSack them. Anyone withdrawing their labour like this is in breach of contract and should be dismissedAnd the Ghost took exception to it, saying it should read . “Any manager who would force employees to breech their contracts should be dismissed.Same goes for BA managers who have chosen to rip up existing contracts.”What you are missing dear Ghost is that when a manager rips up a contract he most invariably enters into another contract that is just as good. And will be just as durable.The sad thing is that Lusketire types will sign up to it.//I am not 'missing' anything!The point of my comment was not to maker a judgement about the right or wrong of the issue but to illustrate another side to the argument! In any dispute, people will take sides based on emotive responses, but we can see reality is not based on such emotional responses. And in this case, it is self evident that the 'new' contracts are not as good as those being ripped up! Otherwise, we would not be witness to a dispute! Also, it is a little disingenuous of a critique to take a few lines of an argument out of context in a response! ;-) Mon 29 Mar 2010 07:08:05 GMT+1 Erkules http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=92#comment695 640. At 09:09am on 28 Mar 2010, The Man From Byrdir wrote:· Re 639. At 08:56am on 28 Mar 2010, Gordon wrote: “Electric Hermit the word you are looking for my friend is Hypocrite.etc etcI agree-------------------------------------------------------------------------So do I Mon 29 Mar 2010 07:02:49 GMT+1 Graphis http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=92#comment694 My dad used to work in a major manufacturing factory. The man at the very top of the company had, like his predecessors, begun his working life on the shop floor and had worked his way to the top. This meant that not only did he know virtually every employee, and was on first name terms with them, he also had first-hand experience of the job they did and the conditions they worked in. He was highly respected within the workforce and there hadn't been a single strike in the company's 140 year history.Then in the 70's the company began employing graduates straight in to management. Suddenly you had beardless kids with clipboards wandering round telling men that had been doing a job for 20 years how to be 'more efficient'. Gradually the gap between workers and management widened until they were almost two different species. In their ruthless drive for 'efficiency', jobs began to go, which surely saved money in the short term, but ultimately led to a downgrading in the quality of the factory's output. The union fought for jobs and quality, but to no avail, and within a mere 15 years the factory eventually went bust, throwing my Dad on the dole for the first time in his life.This is the problem throughout Britain today. Management have absolutely no idea what any particular job involves in terms of time, safety, and productivity. All they look at is figures on paper, and decide they can make a cut here and a cut there, save a few thousand pounds, and earn a promotion. There is no concept of what those cuts might ultimately mean for their workforce and for their customers.All graduates starting employment should still spend at least their first year, preferably three, on the shopfloor, regardless of their fancy degree. This is the only way they will gain the experience they need to run a company properly. Mon 29 Mar 2010 04:50:37 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=92#comment693 693. PMGlenThomas"Striking is not going to make money appear out of thin air!"The RMT action is not about money. This fact is not a secret. It would take some effort to avoid being aware of it. Mon 29 Mar 2010 00:30:09 GMT+1 Glen Thomas http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=92#comment692 Striking is not going to make money appear out of thin air!.... Sun 28 Mar 2010 23:15:01 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=92#comment691 678. Diane Mckay"...we will have totally lost the very freedom that our fore fathers gave their life for. "Like the freedom to withdraw ones labour? Sun 28 Mar 2010 22:29:50 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=91#comment690 669. ellis"...I WOULD BE MORE SORRY IF THOSE PEOPLE DIDNT ARRIVE AT ALL DUE TO A ACCIDENT..."You are wasting your time. The fools don't care. Because never imagine it will be themselves of their loved ones who suffer. And so long as it is only some stranger who is killed or maimed, they just don't care. Sun 28 Mar 2010 22:24:52 GMT+1 U14352743 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=91#comment689 I am not pleassed about the trains stopping but better that than an accident perhaps network rail could put our minds at rest by the people in charge at a level deciding these jobs are not required are held financially responsible if there is a subsequent accident that could have been picked up by the people who are to be laid off, that is for all compensation and fines we would then see how much of these cuts are actually safe.I am aware of one rail worker who lives near my parents and leaves for work at 22:00 returns at 04:00 and having driven 150 miles has spent a full shift at work which is a bit iffy in my opinion. Sun 28 Mar 2010 22:17:17 GMT+1 SirReausThought http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=91#comment688 646 The GhostAt 637 Luskentire WroteSack them. Anyone withdrawing their labour like this is in breach of contract and should be dismissedAnd the Ghost took exception to it, saying it should read . “Any manager who would force employees to breech their contracts should be dismissed.Same goes for BA managers who have chosen to rip up existing contracts.”What you are missing dear Ghost is that when a manager rips up a contract he most invariably enters into another contract that is just as good. And will be just as durable.The sad thing is that Lusketire types will sign up to it. Sun 28 Mar 2010 22:02:42 GMT+1 greade http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=91#comment687 It will not affect me as I do not use trains but why are they going on strike during school holidays. Do the unions deliberately pick these dates, if they want the support of the public may I suggest they stop striking when school holidays are in force as children can only go on holodays on these dates. Sun 28 Mar 2010 21:01:13 GMT+1 Steve http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=91#comment686 Having been an engineering manager for 25 years in a factory, nothing to do with railways I know, but the principles are basically the same, I found that the biggest problem I had was not being short of engineers to do the maintenance work, it was getting them to do the maintenance work correctly. Could this be an issue on the railways? I was constantly reviewing maintenance schedules to determine the optimum frequencies because it is possible to over do some things and under do others. Just because you have done something every week for the last 20 years doesn't necessarily mean that level of frequency is actually required. I think that playing the safety card is quite a clever move by the unions as it will always make people sit up and listen. Whilst the right to withdraw one's labour may have a place in todays world, I do not support strike action which uses the public as a bargaining tool. The raiways have the edge on BA because the fare paying public can't vote with their feet like BA's customers can, fortunately for them. I cannot believe, in these days of corporate accoutability and responsibility, that any manager would knowingly create a situation, where he is making changes which would put the public at risk, which is effectivly, what the union are claiming. I note that the number actually voting for a strike was quite low. With this in mind, I wonder how many of those who voted for, really wanted to, bearing in mind, the divides that are brought about by strike action and the pressures union members find themselves under. Sun 28 Mar 2010 20:43:27 GMT+1 mark_2002 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=91#comment685 Never mind the union bashing rethoric, these cuts will directly impact on the viability of the rail network.That means,1. MORE SPEED LIMITS & DELAYS2. LONGER REPAIR SCHEDULES3. A GREATER CHANCE OF A MAJOR ACCIDENTIf you check the history of railway/union relations you will see that it is the unions that are to thank for our relatively safe railways. Sun 28 Mar 2010 20:34:12 GMT+1 Sasha Millwood http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=91#comment684 We should stop blaming the unions/workers. They do not go on strike for their own amusement (after all, you do not get paid for being on strike!), rather to take a stand on a serious issue.Of course this is going to cause inconvenience (otherwise the management would not take it seriously) to customers, but if they did nothing, the workers could suffer even greater inconvenience (losing their jobs &c.).I am convinced that the problem stems from the regional private monopolies purported to be a "competitive free market", siphoning off a substantial proportion of the profits instead of reinvesting in the railways (as a state-run system would). Sun 28 Mar 2010 20:28:51 GMT+1 ali http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=90#comment683 I would like to suggest that we the customer abandon the railways the day before the stike. If the railways are letting us down, then we should do the same to them. Sun 28 Mar 2010 19:33:12 GMT+1 Lucy Lastic http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=90#comment682 Here we go again. This smacks of big business trying to influence the forth coming election to vote for the Tories."How can we get the ignorant public to vote the way we want for our boys the Tories" says Mr Fat Cat of Grabbit and Flauntit " I know upset the unions and get them out on strike then the General Thicko Public will vote for us as they will be the ones hurt the most by not being able to travel. I'm not worried about travel, I have my private jet and my Roller so I'll be alright Jack" I have recollection of similar practice in the 70's to oust the Labour govt. It worked too then but I'm not so sure now as it may have been left too late. It is amazing that around every election time the unions are upset at something. Is there a Capitalist conspiracy to influence the way we vote. For it is not in the interest of unions to have a Tory Govt. Sun 28 Mar 2010 19:15:13 GMT+1 jkavanagh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=90#comment681 Will it affect me? No, not anymore as I drive to work. Sun 28 Mar 2010 18:47:13 GMT+1 Clear Incite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=90#comment680 This post has been Removed Sun 28 Mar 2010 18:35:49 GMT+1 Kossoff http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=90#comment679 Re #677. At 6:49pm on 28 Mar 2010, Bob wrote: “#672 - they borrowed them from NuLabour to give you something to moan about”Borrowed is about right, I hate to think what would happen if the present bunch of Tories had an original idea Sun 28 Mar 2010 18:26:45 GMT+1 The Last Virgin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=90#comment678 Re # 676. At 6:47pm on 28 Mar 2010, Bob wrote: “Just a thought - see #2.. What about 1500 employees trying to save their company?”That is exactly what they are trying to do; I support them, Do you? Sun 28 Mar 2010 18:23:05 GMT+1 Diane Mckay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=90#comment677 Get use to it UK the union bosses like Simpson etc are now out to have globalisation with unions through out the world to bring about a new world order.Australia unions are in on it and so are teamsters in the USA...Very frightening especially as most of the world do not belong to a union. They are after power and ruling the world..scary still nothing new someone get the guns out if we do not fight against this rabble we will have totally lost the very freedom that our fore fathers gave their life for. Sun 28 Mar 2010 18:07:15 GMT+1 Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=90#comment676 #672 - they borrowed them from NuLabour to give you something to moan about Sun 28 Mar 2010 17:49:39 GMT+1 Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=89#comment675 Just a thought - see #2.. What about 1500 employees trying to save their company? Sun 28 Mar 2010 17:47:37 GMT+1 U14185180 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=89#comment674 This post has been Removed Sun 28 Mar 2010 17:17:47 GMT+1 windblown http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=89#comment673 Rail men's concerns about rail safety are well founded. Sub-contracting rail maintenance is a very bad idea. Rail Track needs to cultivate its own home-grown maintenance workers. They need men who know rail intimately and thoroughly understand the importance of high quality work. Hired workers do not necessarily have these attributes.A strike is worthwhile if it protects my safety. Sun 28 Mar 2010 16:27:09 GMT+1 Steve the chauffeur http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=89#comment672 Bring back Maggie.Even Darling admits that her cuts were smaller than his. Sun 28 Mar 2010 16:26:30 GMT+1 Kossoff http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=89#comment671 Re # 666. At 4:58pm on 28 Mar 2010, harkerboy wrote: “Fantastic news I hope they strike from the day the election is announced until polling day.I fully support the union and hope that by striking they will destroy the Labour party for ever.The unions are a destructive influence on this country but for once in my life time I am fully supporting UNITE and the RMT.”I am always amazed that the conservative party are supported my people with so much intelligence and wit with the ability to put forward such an perceptive argumentWhere do they get them? Sun 28 Mar 2010 16:23:46 GMT+1 chomntaille http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=89#comment670 Please do not make me laugh, safety concerns ! hah ! The RMT has no concern for safety otherwise it would not support staff found to be under the influence of drink or drugs, indeed if it was so safety conscious it would demand a stricter regime, more testing rather than fight against such testing.Its interest is purely and simply in saving members jobs and increasing their pay, they have no concern for safety and would gladly maintain unsafe practices, incompetent and unsafe staff. Sun 28 Mar 2010 16:21:37 GMT+1 The Last Virgin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=89#comment669 Re666. At 4:58pm on 28 Mar 2010, harkerboy wrote: “Fantastic news I hope they strike from the day the election is announced until polling day.I fully support the union and hope that by striking they will destroy the Labour party for ever.The unions are a destructive influence on this country but for once in my life time I am fully supporting UNITE and the RMT.”I think you will find that the majority of the voting public will see why the working people in these disputes are prepared to forgo the wage they bring into their households. The majority of the voting public will see themselves in the same situation in a year or two.The majority of the voting public realise that these disputes are the results of the poor management of these companiesThe majority of the voting public will support these people.These peoples sacrifice may just persuade the majority of the voting public that they will change their mind and vote for Labour after all.For once in your lifetime you ARE supporting the Labour party, you just don’t believe you are Sun 28 Mar 2010 16:17:20 GMT+1 ellis http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=88#comment668 still the views come in and still people rant on about how the conservative goverment will stop the strike and shoot down the unions and how us staff should be lucky to have a job,people rant about how dirty the trains are and how over crowded the trains are,people rant on the greed of railway workers wanting more money in the current climate!!!FOR THE RECORD-WE DONT WANT MORE MONEY BUT TOO RIGHT WE WONT TAKE LESS WHILE THE MANAGERS TAKE MOREIF THE TRAINS ARE DIRTY COMPLAIN TO THE TRAIN OPERATORS ITS NOTHING TO DO WITH MAINTENANCE STAFF AND SIGNAL WORKERSYES WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE A JOB IN THESE BAD TIMES BUT DOES THIS MEAN WE SHOULD BE BULLIED INTO DOING UNSAFE WORK AND ALLOWING THE TRACKS TO BE IN A UNFIT STATE DUE TO LACK OF FUNDINGAND AS FOR THE CONSERVATIVES THEY WILL OFF LOAD THE RAILWAY AT THE FIRST CHANCE THEY GET AND THATS A KNOWN FACT AND WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MR CAMERON SAY OTHERWISE ON THE RECORDIM SORRY THAT PEOPLE MAY STRUGGLE TO GET TO WORK ON THESE DAYS OR SOMEONE CANT MEET A FAMILY MEMBER THEY HAVENT SEEN FOR A LONG TIME BUT I WOULD BE MORE SORRY IF THOSE PEOPLE DIDNT ARRIVE AT ALL DUE TO A ACCIDENT...And one final thing is a call to the railway staff to take camera's to work and lets show these people what a safe railway they think they are commuting on as its would seem they know such more than us!!!for those who choose to strike you have my full backing and those who dont i respect your reasons whatever they are. Sun 28 Mar 2010 16:11:52 GMT+1 Will Bungay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=88#comment667 Now is the time for a strong Conservative government to counter the rampant unions.As trade unions have never failed to demonstrate, they are destructive and greedy organisations. They hold us all hostage for their own greed. Sun 28 Mar 2010 16:04:23 GMT+1 harkerboy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=88#comment666 This post has been Removed Sun 28 Mar 2010 16:00:24 GMT+1 harkerboy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=88#comment665 Fantastic news I hope they strike from the day the election is announced until polling day.I fully support the union and hope that by striking they will destroy the Labour party for ever.The unions are a destructive influence on this country but for once in my life time I am fully supporting UNITE and the RMT. Sun 28 Mar 2010 15:58:03 GMT+1 Kossoff http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=88#comment664 Re # 659. At 1:49pm on 28 Mar 2010, carrie75 wrote: “Think about it, do strikes ever really work? Just like to point out, if the union is so concerned about the saftey 'the public', yes us, why strike and make misery for us, 'the public'? Why hit the public were it hurts, why ruin peoples travel plans, and holidays? How on earth do you expect support when you do things like this? I was going to London on the 9th, a weekend I've worked hard to pay for, but everything’s up in the air, and there is nothing we can do, but wait! Where I work, we've had to deal with a hell of a lot of job loses, etc, and did we strike about it? No. Strikes are not the answer. I think we all know that. “If strikes are not the answer, then what is?How else do you suggest the workforce, they are just like you and me, defend themselves.Rather than attacking these people you should be protesting on the streets to make sure theses people are protected Sun 28 Mar 2010 15:34:15 GMT+1 Lynn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=88#comment663 In the contrary, the railway workers should not strike but "business as usual", to show the society that you can self-manage without the managers and to prove managers are the ones who should be made redundant. Sun 28 Mar 2010 15:25:53 GMT+1 Lynn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=88#comment662 Those managers who suggest the idea of "cut jobs to save cost", are obviously redundant for the industry. This is what I called "brainless management". Sun 28 Mar 2010 15:20:35 GMT+1 Lynn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=88#comment661 One suggestion is that If it is necessary for a job cut, please consider to cut off the managers first. They are the ones cause the mass, not the work force. Managers often abuse their power tosecure their own job positions and receive big bonuses. This is what the Union should fight for. Sun 28 Mar 2010 14:57:00 GMT+1 Keith http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=87#comment660 As I only pay for the railways through taxation but do not use them I could not care less if they went on strike for ever. Sun 28 Mar 2010 14:00:04 GMT+1 Borderscot http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=87#comment659 Since the day Bob Crow was elected he has sought out every opportunity to find a reason to bring his member out on strike. Bear in mind thatr the amount of money being spent on the railways is at a very high level and the Secretary for Transport among others is beginning to question the value for monjey being achieved - and rightly so. One has also to remember the massive overspend on the updating of the West Coast Main Line to know how badly many contracts are managed. With a feeble government led by a feeble Prime Minister, we are seeing a huge increase in strike action which is set to escalate due to the inherent lack of political leadership. Sun 28 Mar 2010 13:32:20 GMT+1 carrie75 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=87#comment658 Think about it, do strikes ever really work? Just like to point out, if the union is so concerned about the saftey 'the public', yes us, why strike and make misery for us, 'the public'? Why hit the public were it hurts, why ruin peoples travel plans, and holidays? How on earth do you expect support when you do things like this? I was going to London on the 9th, a weekend I've worked hard to pay for, but everything’s up in the air, and there is nothing we can do, but wait! Where I work, we've had to deal with a hell of a lot of job loses, etc, and did we strike about it? No. Strikes are not the answer. I think we all know that. Sun 28 Mar 2010 12:49:36 GMT+1 AuntieLeft http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=87#comment657 A bunch of union Trots stuck in the last century trying to destroy OUR country again with class war fare. We should not allow communists and trots to join trade unions as their aim is the destruction of the capitalist system. They ARE a danger, not the BNP (national socialists by the way) Sun 28 Mar 2010 12:11:48 GMT+1 Lynn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=87#comment656 Rail strike will prolong the recession. The whole nation will be paralysed. Millions of people will suffer. Sun 28 Mar 2010 12:06:45 GMT+1 Lynn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=87#comment655 In recession, many people are struggling to survive. I have to go to work in shop floor, get paid for minimum wage, in those big snow days. But I never blame anyone. I hope railway workers get a reality check Sun 28 Mar 2010 11:47:55 GMT+1 scouser http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=87#comment654 under a previous disasterous labour government we had the winter of discontent, now under another disasterous labour government we are in for the spring of discontent, no matter what labour goverment we have in power the country always ends up in ruins, they just don't get it no matter who you are you cannot live on borrowed money, it as to be paid back with interest Sun 28 Mar 2010 11:45:18 GMT+1 Lynn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=86#comment653 The railway industry has been milking us, consumers, like cows. We were told that Automatic Track Warning Systems (ATWS) were installed, costing £1-2 bn. We have also been charged to pay for thousands of railway workers' salary. Now, those railway workers decided to strike, and caused us incontinences, without 2nd thoughts? What do we, consumers, owe the railway industry so much that we deserve to receive such black-mail?I am particular angry that the train is always filthy. Don't they know that "Health" is the same important as "Safety"? Sun 28 Mar 2010 11:30:56 GMT+1 steve http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=86#comment652 We have BA....Now the Railways....Whoever takes wins the election will need to tackle the Unions. We are in the same boat as when Labour were last in power in the 70's. This time we have no Maggie Thatcher.I was a Met police officer throughout the 80's Margaret Thatcher as PM Miners Strike Wapping,the most damaging and divisive government we have had since the second World War with strike days 9 times that under the Labour Government.And Lord Snooty has the affront to say Unions are taking more action because the Labour Government is "weak" presumably therefore the Thatcher lot were either 9 times weaker or hes talking out of his central office again! Sun 28 Mar 2010 11:24:12 GMT+1 The Ghosts of John Galt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/rail_strikes_announced_your_re.html?page=86#comment651 646. At 11:07am on 28 Mar 2010, you:637. At 02:08am on 28 Mar 2010, luskentyre:Further to my comment in response to luskentyre, I would add if you require evidence of the validity of my argument, suggest you take a look at Jarvis! A national/international construction and engineering business which filed for bankruptcy this week! How could this possibly happen, when most of their business is generated through public sector contracts and providing assets and services to industries like the rail network, universities, local authorities, NHS and government? Surely, their income and profit5 is pretty much guaranteed! So why re they bankrupt? Its a puzzle until you realise the employment history of those running the business - then it makes perfect sense! Sun 28 Mar 2010 10:49:40 GMT+1