Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html en-gb 30 Mon 20 Oct 2014 13:15:00 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html champagne_charlie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=98#comment61 #61caharri;Good post from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Thanks. I presume you realise having read this and other blogs, that many of your fellow countrymen would have been perfectly happy to see you rot and wouldn't have batted an eyelid if you and yours were killed in the process. I'd like to take the opportunity to remind you that most of us aren't like that. Sat 26 Feb 2011 09:48:42 GMT+1 caharri http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=96#comment60 I was in Osh, Kyrgyzstan during the fighting there in June and were evacuated in a joint operation by the British and other European embassies. We work for a development organization and have our own contingency plans but at the time the fighting was so fierce that we needed an armed escort to get to the local airport and then we were evacuated by charter plane to the capital. The British embassy was brilliant. They were helpful and efficient. On the second day of the fighting the British ambassador and the Defence Attache flew to Bishkek from the embassy in Kazakhstan. As there were no consular people in our remote city we did a lot of the organizing ourselves. In the end the Americans joined in with us and we had 93 people at our house for 12 hours before the escort could come to take us to the airport. We were actually met at Bishkek airport at 2 am by the Ambassador himself. The next day we were offered all sorts of consular help including a child-psychologist for the children. As I was one of the people who organised the evacuation on the ground I went to a debriefing by the German, Swiss and British Defence Attaches. The logistics of this relatively simple evacuation were mind-boggling. There were many people working behind the scenes to get us out safely. I am sure that the FCO is doing all it can to get people out of Libya safely. Yes, the scenes at Tripoli airport are awful but the FCO is not responsible for that, neither are they responsible for our comfort, but for getting us to a place of safety. Sat 26 Feb 2011 09:31:02 GMT+1 bbony http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=95#comment59 @28 Buzet23"the actual employer of these guys/girls is mostly not the oil company but the agency"--Well said. Bravo! That is the way of the world. I think all those 50000 Bangladesh and 18000 Indian people has been applauding to yours bringing the audience to reality. The remote operated companies, oil sucking monsters, have not been responsible. The overnight-self-quitted should turn for their governments, to send airplains, farries and battleships. Sat 26 Feb 2011 08:26:39 GMT+1 Buzet23 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=93#comment58 #56. At 10:59pm on 25 Feb 2011, champagne_charlie"Sniveling token", it's a pity newt or toad cannot somehow be in there but that's not a bad anagram for red ken. Sat 26 Feb 2011 07:59:47 GMT+1 Buzet23 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=91#comment57 #57. At 11:59pm on 25 Feb 2011, quietoaktreeI might of guessed you'd be an exponent of the surveillance society where everyone has to be controlled as to where they are and what they can do. I'm sure you'll confirm that every time you leave your country, wherever that is, you notify your ambassador where you're going and for how long. However, I suspect you don't do that which puts you in the same category as those workers in the Libyan desert. Sat 26 Feb 2011 07:57:07 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=90#comment56 #54 Buzet#50 Graham Stone is correct. -- don´t blame anyone but those who did not register.-- and don´t blame anyone other than those who volunteered to work in or travel to a dictatorship. -- Those with children are the most irresponsible ! Fri 25 Feb 2011 23:59:07 GMT+1 champagne_charlie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=88#comment55 #53buzet;Sniveling tokenBad sellAim blinded Fri 25 Feb 2011 22:59:58 GMT+1 Graham Stone http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=87#comment54 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Feb 2011 22:54:13 GMT+1 Buzet23 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=85#comment53 It has just been said on the BBC that instead of 170 odd Brits still in Libya that there are 500 odd, what the hell are the FCO up to if they have only just found that out.The senior post holders of the FCO there should be fired, no compensation, no pension and no matter who mummy, daddy, auntie, uncle etc is. Fri 25 Feb 2011 22:07:15 GMT+1 Buzet23 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=83#comment52 #52. At 7:58pm on 25 Feb 2011, jr4412I'm wondering what Ed Balls and Ed Miliband's anagrams are, any ideas as that must be truly awe inspiring. As for a certain former London mayor who is a great friend of Chavaz, Castro and Gadaffi well I leave it to the posters here otherwise this post will get pulled. Fri 25 Feb 2011 20:20:52 GMT+1 jr4412 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=82#comment51 Buzet23 #51."Just who voted in Bliar and McClown.."and I wouldn't disagree with you either; I've made clear what I think of HM Gov't (and not only the FCO) in #5.re BS -- Cameron anagrams to 'no cream'. :-) Fri 25 Feb 2011 19:58:47 GMT+1 Buzet23 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=80#comment50 #49. At 4:18pm on 25 Feb 2011, jr4412,Just who voted in Bliar and McClown, they made Laurel and Hardy look as if they did not know perverse humour, mind you the UK, sorry England MH, is now paying for Scottish stupidity.As for the posters who are saying that the people don't know how hard the closeted FCO staff work, get real, and join the real world, oops, no invitations, no lavish dinners, no privileged lifestyles, oh what a hard life.PS. Graham Stone, what happened in the 90's for you, not sufficiently capable or did you upset the vested interests? Fri 25 Feb 2011 19:37:28 GMT+1 Graham Stone http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=79#comment49 There seems to be a presumption that the FCO staff have simply not bothered here, which is completely untrue. As usual, they've been on the ground in difficult circumstances 24/7. The snide comments about parties do the authors little credit. That planes failed to take off from London to collect the British nationals is little to do with the hard working people who drop everything to undertake unpaid overtime in situations like these. The same people whose livelihoods are under threat.I worked in a consulate in the 90s, and the biggest problem was that you simply didn't know which Brits were there. There was a voluntary registration process, which few UK citizens availed themselves of. I wonder what the take-up rate has been in recent cases.@rosepoet: "If they are not answerable to british citizens in dire emergencies, what are they for..."(snipped for snidiness): Try also trade promotion, managing relations with the host country, keeping energy routes open, issuing and refusing visas, working with countries to stem the flow of illegal migration, representing the country in international organisations, counter terrorism and crime prevention cooperation, conflict resolution, etc.Consular work is only part of the FCO's remit. When it goes wrong, the brickbats come in quickly. But I ask again: what were the expats' own contingency plans, or did they note expect to need them in a place as stable and democratic as Libya? Fri 25 Feb 2011 16:55:02 GMT+1 jr4412 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=77#comment48 cool_brush_work #48."Dave 'what's my policy today?' Cameron and Nick 'ooh-er power!' Clegg are more inept than most of their predecessors."agree, we'd done better voting in the Chuckle Brothers. ;-( Fri 25 Feb 2011 16:18:46 GMT+1 cool_brush_work http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=75#comment47 Final Word on this:Dave 'what's my policy today?' Cameron and Nick 'ooh-er power!' Clegg are more inept than most of their predecessors.Neither has any real experience of the World outside of Political 'theatre': Cameron a former Ad-man because whatever title they like to give it that's all it is & Clegg worked (a misnomer if ever there were one) in Brussels at the EU!Surely 2 more USELESS occupations for preparing one for High 'Government' Office could not be available? Fri 25 Feb 2011 16:03:55 GMT+1 cool_brush_work http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=74#comment46 FCO = legendarily pro-active 'Political Correctness' policies for 2 decades has left it mired in obsequious non-activity.I have on very sound authority that when PM Blair sent the SAS into Freetown to successfully rescue hostages (1 tragic British Army casualty) in the mid-90s the FCO attempted at every stage to block the move and even after the success was insistent that the SAS role be played down as much as possible in order not to bruise post-colonial African sensitivities!Apparently it is the same policy that has been applied to Robert Mugabe's dismal reign in Zimbabwhe and the FCO also applies the head-in-sand initiative to almost every corner of the earth, less the 'natives' get upset! Fri 25 Feb 2011 15:58:59 GMT+1 cool_brush_work http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=72#comment45 GOOD NEWS!Well, worth a tail-end laugh or hoot of derision.6 Comments by me that were "referred for further consideration" on JANUARY 25th the MODERATORS have finally made the decision not to publish and on FEBRUARY 25th have actually E-MAILed their reasons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much Moderators!I'm sure like me You all felt a sense of satisfaction for having actually undertaken and applied YOUR 'HOUSE RULES' even if it is ONE MONTH LATE! Fri 25 Feb 2011 15:52:54 GMT+1 John http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=70#comment44 I remember my dad being told by friends when arriving in Saudi Arabia in 1980 that if anything bad happened and you had to get out: company first, friends next and then if everything was dire then go to the British Consulate. The fact is that the FCO has been rubbish for time immemorial. For the avoidance of doubt, if trouble happens get out asap and do not rely on the FCO! Fri 25 Feb 2011 15:40:45 GMT+1 RockpaintingWorldcuplogo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=69#comment43 I would agree, if you cant do the work pack up and go. However, there are only a few chiefs in the FCO and perhaps too few Indians! They did not enter the FCO by privilege, they did it by merit and good hard work at School and University.That is what is good about the FCO it is open to all.More importantly, there should be sufficiently trained Staff to deal with these emergencies. All hands to the deck please...PWM Fri 25 Feb 2011 14:50:37 GMT+1 blefuscu http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=67#comment42 What about the Ghanaians?http://news.myjoyonline.com/international/201102/61735.aspCompared with them, the British are getting 5***** treatment! Fri 25 Feb 2011 14:06:00 GMT+1 Buzet23 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=66#comment41 #39. At 12:45pm on 25 Feb 2011, RockpaintingWorldcuplogo wrote:"Sadly, the FCO is strapped of cash, as cuts have seriously dented its ability to deal with such matters in an appropriate manner."Most unlikely, as with most of the civil service there is plenty of cash, it is simply wasted by inane business practices, too many chiefs and not enough indians and a culture of lavish, privileged excesses. The staff at the FO, embassies etc are just that, staff, they do not deserve the privileges given to them by their positions. Far too many were given those positions by patronage, whether political or birth and now they need to perform OR GO. Fri 25 Feb 2011 13:48:38 GMT+1 Menedemus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=64#comment40 Looking on the bright side ...Julian Assange has been told he can be extradited to Sweden from the UK for questioning under the powers of a European Arrest Warrant. I understand that his lawyers have asked the FCO to organise the transfer so that he can look forward to his arrival in Sweden in about three years time - earliest! Fri 25 Feb 2011 13:37:57 GMT+1 BluesBerry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=62#comment39 Malta - hub for evacuations from Libya: Chinese workers, construction workers, six British workers, British citizens...Am I missing the Libyans? From a British point of view, the greatest concern relates to the 150 British workers who are at desert camps or remote places...Where does the concern for the common Libyan enter the picture - at modest concern, little concern, no concern whatsoever?Nato chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen called an emergency meeting of the alliance's council for this Friday saying it was ready to act as "an enabler and coordinator" if member states chose Nato intervention. This certainly seems likely to help the common Libyans on the ground.European and US leaders have suggested the imposition of a no-fly zone.European Union diplomatic chief Catherine Ashton has called for sanctions, and UN human rights chief Navi Pillay has said thousands of people may have been killed. I don't know what to make of all this.Are these the best answers that we can come up - we of the Interntional community? Where have I heard no-fly zone" before? Wasn't it Iraq? Where have I heard sanctions before? Wasn't it Zimbabwe, Iran - any country that fails to fall on its knees in servitude to the international community, especially the United States. We all know that sanctions effect the population more than any Government. Sanctions are meant to destabilize, as in make the common person very frustrated, angry, hungry...Pillay: "In brazen and continuing breach of international law, the crackdown in Libya of peaceful demonstrations is escalating alarmingly..." How does she know this? Where are the reporters? Where are the feet on the ground? Has the United Nations witnessed any of this "brazan and contunuing breach of international law"? Here is something far closer to the Libyan relationship with the international community, especially the United States of America: Libya holds billions of dollars in US bank accounts - BILLIONS - at a time when ther US is falling quickly towards bankruptcy. Won't be hard for the US to pilfer these accounts once Gaddafi is dealt with. I guess if the US could attack China that would be the America's target of first choice because China holds far more of the American debt. Fri 25 Feb 2011 13:33:24 GMT+1 RockpaintingWorldcuplogo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=61#comment38 The FCO is currently undergoing a review, and precisely this sort of emergency suggests that it is high time that improvements were made to deal with such crises more effectively where British Nationals are involved.Sadly, the FCO is strapped of cash, as cuts have seriously dented its ability to deal with such matters in an appropriate manner.However, we must not forget that there is a lot of instability in the World at large, and not least in the Middle East. Some of these eruptions can be expected, as has been commented by others.It is right that there should be a clear and well defined evacuation policy in countries where there is a British Mission. Some years ago this worked very well, and resources were made available to ensure that this would work reasonably well.This should be part of the renewal process in the FCO and Govt should make funds available for this. The individual is also responsible for ensuring that he/she and their families are registered with the British Mission as soon as they arrive in a foreign country. This is not always done.When a situation escalates as it has in Libya, it becomes very chaotic and then a lot of common sense needs to be applied. There is no doubt that help is around, it is a matter of finding it when you need it.Perhaps one should leave before things get out of hand, and play safe. PWM Fri 25 Feb 2011 12:45:25 GMT+1 dukeofearl http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=59#comment37 #2 says it all for me..."People choosing to enrich themselves by working in very remote parts of unstable or unfriendly countries should have a better worst-case scenario plan than hoping their government, and the taxpayer that they've opted out of being, should bail them out." Fri 25 Feb 2011 12:40:15 GMT+1 Buzet23 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=58#comment36 #36. At 12:24pm on 25 Feb 2011, jr4412,These sort of agencies and management companies tend to often be based offshore or in other countries, which means they are beyond the reach of legislation, and also certain tax, social regulations. That, I'm afraid, is the name of the game when it comes to contract working in other countries. Fri 25 Feb 2011 12:37:22 GMT+1 jr4412 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=56#comment35 Buzet23 #28."..expecting a get rich quick agency to charter a plane is well, rofl."forced to agree, successive governments have not done us (or themselves) proud the way they put together legislation governing employment agencies -- one of the biggest rip-offs since the Victorians sent their kids down the mines. Fri 25 Feb 2011 12:24:10 GMT+1 4PlanetsInPisces http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=54#comment34 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Feb 2011 11:48:28 GMT+1 SAERBREN http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=53#comment33 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Feb 2011 11:41:31 GMT+1 rosepoet http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=51#comment32 There has been a long history of incompetence and arrogance by the Foreign Office and embassies...as people who travel quite a lot my family has been on the sharp end of this incompetence in New Orleans after Hirricane Katrina AND in Cairo...We had the opportunity to meet the Embassy staff in Cairo over Christmas and they gave the impression of being cold and overbearing, even at PR events! When we needed their help they were unable to offer us any assistance, even though bullets and molotov cocktails were flying.The staff lead very comfortable lives, but they don't exert themselves in crises, they are an unecessary irrelevance, in the face of natural disasters or political upheaval.This is where the cuts should start...If they are not answerable to british citizens in dire emergencies, what are they for...attending other Embassies functions,I suppose. Fri 25 Feb 2011 11:28:14 GMT+1 cool2playz2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=50#comment31 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Feb 2011 11:21:54 GMT+1 champagne_charlie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=48#comment30 #29buzet23;"One has to be so careful as even the most innocuous comments get bounced these days,"Except for comments about the British being "hyenas", they are perfectly ok. Fri 25 Feb 2011 10:59:27 GMT+1 Buzet23 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=46#comment29 #26. At 10:25am on 25 Feb 2011, Hugh JanusThat doesn't surprise me at all, you used to be able to renew a passport in Europe but the McClown decided to reform the procedure and use passport (or is it call) centres in a couple of countries. Just what the Embassies do now other than attending functions I have no idea, they would seem to be as useless as one of Baroness Ashton's embassies. Fri 25 Feb 2011 10:49:25 GMT+1 Buzet23 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=45#comment28 #25. At 10:14am on 25 Feb 2011, champagne_charlie One has to be so careful as even the most innocuous comments get bounced these days, it used to be Labour spin doctors, now its Patten and heaven knows who else. Fri 25 Feb 2011 10:45:57 GMT+1 Buzet23 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=43#comment27 #22. At 09:44am on 25 Feb 2011, jr4412 wrote:"excellent question. yes, why is it not the responsibility of either the individual themselves or their employer??"I'm sure most of those workers are placed there through agencies who then pay the workers, add a high margin to their own invoice and do diddly squat. This is often how contract work occurs as I know myself from IT, the actual employer of these guys/girls is mostly not the oil company but the agency and expecting a get rich quick agency to charter a plane is well, rofl. Fri 25 Feb 2011 10:43:15 GMT+1 Martin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=41#comment26 This comes as no surprise, we got caught up in the Ash Cloud debacle last year, and the advice from the British Consulate was pathetic. There was no useful information coming through. Announcements back home about evacuation plans, were all hype.We were basically told we were on our own, and to make our own way back. Advice which turned out to be completely wrong, as it meant any compensation claims once we made it home were invalid.They did take our details and phoned to find out if we had found a way out.Thank FCO Fri 25 Feb 2011 10:33:40 GMT+1 Belgian_Biscuit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=40#comment25 As a resident in the UAE I've been watching the regional unrest with interest.A while ago as we faced the risk of British military action against Iran I'd already discussed evacuation with my brother who also lives here. My brother and his wife who is Brazilian recently had a baby. Obtaining a British passport (or any sort of response from the British Embassy/Consulate) was impossible but the Brazilians were the complete opposite - very helpful and responsive.We'd decided we'd drive ourselves to Oman if there were problems here - even before we'd seen what happened in Egypt and Libya we were convinced the British Embassy would be incapable of organizing anything. The British diplomats seem to be great at having big expensive parties and eating those chocolates, but next to useless at helping people in a crisis - its a scandal to have so many people living a luxury life at public expense who are unable to do their jobs when it actually matters. Fri 25 Feb 2011 10:25:27 GMT+1 champagne_charlie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=38#comment24 #23At least that proves where one Greek is working these days - at the BBC...as a moderator. Fri 25 Feb 2011 10:14:17 GMT+1 bananabunch http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=37#comment23 Listening to our PM saying that they are totally committed to getting these people out of Libya...doing their best... Is he truly so oblivious that he doesn't realise he is saying the best we can do falls far short of what is required? Our PM is on TV telling us GB is useless?As for those sniping at people working overseas for 'the dollar'. I suppose having qualified engineers stay in the UK on the dole is a preferable solution then? Wanting to provide a decent living for your family is a bad thing then? Implying people deserve what is happening to them over there is appalling, disgraceful. Shame on you.My thoughts are with these people, I hope they get home safely, and soon. Fri 25 Feb 2011 10:09:46 GMT+1 champagne_charlie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=35#comment22 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Feb 2011 09:52:20 GMT+1 jr4412 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=33#comment21 Mutatur #20."Why is it that those who go to these places - often not paying UK taxes - always expect UK plc to come to their immediate rescue when a situation deteriorates.."excellent question. yes, why is it not the responsibility of either the individual themselves or their employer?? Fri 25 Feb 2011 09:44:17 GMT+1 hylandz http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=32#comment20 17. At 08:11am on 25 Feb 2011, davmar wrote:As much as I feel sorry for those caught up in trying to get out of Libya, my tears won't flow for people who were quite happy to chase the 'dollar' and work there, knowing that the despot Gaddafi was so unstable. As always, people quick off the mark for a good moan! So what if some people chose to work in Libya, yeah the pay is high but so is the tax we pay!!If people never worked in countries like this, you wouldn't be running your car with fuel!! Fri 25 Feb 2011 09:38:09 GMT+1 Loki http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=30#comment19 I went to Libya on business in 2004. Before departure, my colleagues and I made contingency plans on how we should leave, should needs arise. I have done the same for sojourns in sub-Saharan Africa as well.Why is it that those who go to these places - often not paying UK taxes - always expect UK plc to come to their immediate rescue when a situation deteriorates and then whinge when they are not mollycoddled out at their convenience? The FCO, whilst perhaps not perfect, have arrangements and plans in place, but these will inevitably depend on individuals involving and organizing themselves to varying degree. In the aftermath of this particular episode it might be worth Auntie researching and featuring this for general edification. Fri 25 Feb 2011 09:32:37 GMT+1 sensiblegrannie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=29#comment18 The biggest lesson one can learn from this situation is not to become too attached to bulky items of conspicuous wealth. Perhaps the new-wealth for those who insist on traveling or working in hotspots around the world is to travel light and have a range of survival gear that can pack into hand held luggage. There is one thing for sure, you have to rely on your own resources at the beginnings of any emergency situation, anywhere and at any time. Fri 25 Feb 2011 09:27:51 GMT+1 Manchester Lizard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=27#comment17 "If in doubt, blame the civil servants. The FCO this week announced cuts of 400 overseas slots at junior levels, the very people who spend all day and night at airports doing their best to help Brits caught up in the bother. At the same time, the same public servants are in the midst of a pay freeze, having spent many years of below inlation pay rises anyway."Cuts haven't taken place yet, therefore the civil servants can be blamed, if this is the sort off incompetence they portray then they need a fear of losing their jobs kicked into them. I'm sure there will be some big enquiry into what went wrong that will cost tax payers lots off money and the final verdict will be devoid off any use, or some low paid junior will be apportioned blame so the ones that made the mistakes can carry on doing so. Fri 25 Feb 2011 08:46:12 GMT+1 davmar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=25#comment16 As much as I feel sorry for those caught up in trying to get out of Libya, my tears won't flow for people who were quite happy to chase the 'dollar' and work there, knowing that the despot Gaddafi was so unstable. People have short memories, remember Libyan arms were being shipped into Ireland a few years ago which killed and murdered British Subjects, ie civilians, Police Officers and Soldiers. Donate your easy earned money to something useful like the next Poppy Appeal. Fri 25 Feb 2011 08:11:16 GMT+1 shauncrowther http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=24#comment15 Re: Libyan evacuation farce. Is this for real or am I actually reading a new script for "Carry On Abroad"???It's absolutely hilarious if it wasn't so serious................... Fri 25 Feb 2011 08:06:13 GMT+1 Buzet23 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=22#comment14 #2. At 7:59pm on 24 Feb 2011, Graham Stone wrote:"If in doubt, blame the civil servants. The FCO this week announced cuts of 400 overseas slots at junior levels, the very people who spend all day and night at airports doing their best to help Brits caught up in the bother. At the same time, the same public servants are in the midst of a pay freeze, having spent many years of below inlation pay rises anyway."I have little sympathy with civil servants as there has been a systemic failure in the so called 'civil' service for as long as I can recall. It is of no surprise that junior posts are to be culled as it is the 'establishment' that is at fault and they don't occupy junior posts and that is where there should be the severe cull. As in the NHS there are plenty of chiefs (managers) with few indians (junior posts), and the one modus operandi that rests supreme is if you do nothing you risk nothing and can't make a mistake. A lot of senior FCO heads should roll over this, immediately, and that should be followed by a similar cull of 'civil' servants at the MOD who also seem incapable of providing rescue services in good time. Fri 25 Feb 2011 07:54:05 GMT+1 Buzet23 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=20#comment13 #10. At 11:06pm on 24 Feb 2011, quietoaktree wrote:"Let´s hope none get shot or killed with the weapons we sold Gadaffi-- to save British jobs !"As always way off kilter, Belgian radio the other day was concerned that people would be killed by FN rifles and I can assure you they are NOT MADE IN BRITAIN. Fri 25 Feb 2011 07:40:01 GMT+1 Ellinas http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=19#comment12 Three Greek C-130 departed for Libya and as expected brought already back 200 Greeks and the Ships Hellenic Spirit and Olympic Champion ANEK were tied to Heraklion yesterday, carrying 4,500 Chinese and 46 Greek and they already left for the second time at night for Libya. the 30 to 40 remaining greeks are gather in their homes & the ConsulatesEarlier, Russian Minister of Emergency situations Sergey Shoygu reported that a Greek ferry should leave the Greek port of Igoumenitsa, enroute to Libya. In all, 405 citizens are expected to be evacuated.In the meantime Britain's foreign office said there were about 500 nationals in Libya, most of them in the Tripoli area.The British government has been criticised for its slow response to the plight of British nationals stranded in Libya. Prime Minister David Cameron has said he is "extremely sorry" for the delays to the evacuation efforts.but Greece, as the spokesman of the Foreign Ministry Gr.Delavekouras explained in a televised statement, cooperate with the Chinese government for the accommodation and repatriation of 13,000-15,000 Chinese citizens as well as operates from Crete as a collection center for the citizens of other countries like the British. In Crete, will arrive Friday with Anek various British citizens. For this reason the British ambassador in Greece will arrive at Heraklion to settle all the accommodation and repatriation details of the British. All this brings to my mind a good old Greek story...Once when a Lion was asleep a little Mouse began running up and down upon him; this soon wakened the Lion, who placed his huge paw upon him, and opened his big jaws to swallow him. "Pardon, O King," cried the little Mouse: "forgive me this time, I shall never forget it: who knows but what I may be able to do you a turn some of these days?" The Lion was so tickled at the idea of the Mouse being able to help him, that he lifted up his paw and let him go. Some time after the Lion was caught in a trap, and the hunters who desired to carry him alive to the King, tied him to a tree while they went in search of a wagon to carry him on. Just then the little Mouse happened to pass by, and seeing the sad plight in which the Lion was, went up to him and soon gnawed away the ropes that bound the King of the Beasts. "Was I not right?" said the little Mouse.The Moral: Little Greek friends may prove great friends......for the second time in 4 years (recent Israel-Lebanese war and the, at that time, foreigners repatriation). Anyway......I still wonder who the lion is. Russia, China...Uhmm! There are certainly lions but never derided us. Maybe the British...! They certainly deride us (PIIGS)...Uhmm! No! Can't be the British...Hyenas are certainly not lions Fri 25 Feb 2011 06:49:20 GMT+1 Freeborn John http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=17#comment11 Margaret Howard(3) asked "Any explanation then why so many other countries there were quicker off the mark?"Not a fair comparison. The cast-iron One was merely waiting for the 'Big Society' volunteer initiative  to form itself and rescue British citizens. Thu 24 Feb 2011 23:30:47 GMT+1 OldAnarchist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=16#comment10 Gavin, I had to be evacuated out of Egypt to Istanbul a few weeks back - not a pleasant experience! Still, Libya is relatively free of touristic visitors which would make things a bit easier. In Cairo, tourists were stuck for days before they could get flights out.Certainly, the violence etc sounds a lot harsher in Libya than it was in Egypt - one feels for the citizens that will feel the bulk of the pain for a long time to come. Particularly given Gaddafi's die hard speech yesterday.On a lighter note, I came across this satirical cartoon on Muammar and the North African uprisings on an African news blog that I thought you might enjoy. The ripple effects of these revolutions are going to be interesting! Thu 24 Feb 2011 23:21:36 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=14#comment9 Let´s hope none get shot or killed with the weapons we sold Gadaffi-- to save British jobs ! Thu 24 Feb 2011 23:06:00 GMT+1 bryhers http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=12#comment8 Incompetent at managing the evacuation of our own from Libya,the administration wants to revolutionize the delivery of health,education,local government and welfare.On their record so far they are out of their depth.A light touch, tweaking style suits their talents better.In Mervyin King`s private moments he regrets they are more interested in politics than economics.Clever about small things and with a good tailor. Thu 24 Feb 2011 22:21:49 GMT+1 wakeupbritain http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=11#comment7 #6. At 9:29pm on 24 Feb 2011, Wonthillian wrote:During the election, the constant Tory cry was 'Government should do less' Maybe this is what they meant.Wakeupbritain says "If it is was they meant then it will mean":No Gov = Big Society is required = We do it all ourselves = No Taxes to Gov = Not for profit living = No elite required = REVOLUTION = Free humanityThe time has come to end modern slavery (globalisation) and the time for revolution is here across the whole planet.What's happening in the Middle East now will come back to haunt Europe and the rest of the world within a year.Western democracy will be exposed as a fraud, we do not have freedom. We have invisable dictators, work as slaves and live in prisons with no visable bars. Thu 24 Feb 2011 22:19:57 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=9#comment6 Now we are running scared from the weapons we sold to Gadaffi ? Thu 24 Feb 2011 21:36:15 GMT+1 Wonthillian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=8#comment5 During the election, the constant Tory cry was 'Government should do less' Maybe this is what they meant. Thu 24 Feb 2011 21:29:32 GMT+1 jr4412 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=6#comment4 Gavin Hewitt."..the Foreign Office had a lot of lessons to learn."yes, 'gentlemen' amateurs are alright when we're talking athletics, but to run the country?? Thu 24 Feb 2011 21:16:03 GMT+1 wakeupbritain http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=4#comment3 Forget the politics for a moment...We have fellow British citizens and fellow human beings who are trapped in Libya. We and our government have a moral duty to get them out of the hell-hole in Libya. I'm appalled at our pathetic government.Time to go get them using all means at our disposal! The Irish can send in a military jet to save a mother and newborn baby, why can't we do similar? Thu 24 Feb 2011 20:37:32 GMT+1 margaret howard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=3#comment2 1 Freeborn John writes:".. and so ending up getting dragged along in a direction set by other governments, no matter we vote in Britain."I suppose you mean yet again the wicked EU. Any explanation then why so many other countries there were quicker off the mark? Thu 24 Feb 2011 20:04:34 GMT+1 Graham Stone http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=1#comment1 If in doubt, blame the civil servants. The FCO this week announced cuts of 400 overseas slots at junior levels, the very people who spend all day and night at airports doing their best to help Brits caught up in the bother. At the same time, the same public servants are in the midst of a pay freeze, having spent many years of below inlation pay rises anyway.Government services are slowly grinding to a standstill as civil servants are under instructions to cut everything - "more with less" has been the battlecry for years. Even against that backdrop, consular assistance is minimal (correctly) at the best of times. People choosing to enrich themselves by working in very remote parts of unstable or unfriendly countries should have a better worst-case scenario plan than hoping their government, and the taxpayer that they've opted out of being, should bail them out. Thu 24 Feb 2011 19:59:50 GMT+1 Freeborn John http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2011/02/libyan_evacuation_scramble.html?page=0#comment0 Its been a bad week for the FCO but the troubles there are endemic; they have become the Ministry of the course of least resistance, being entirely reactive to events and so ending up getting dragged along in a direction set by other governments, no matter we vote in Britain.Hague is a miserable failure, who long ago lost his mojo, and is utterly undetectable at the FCO tiller. All those years in opposition writing disingenuous policy statements about ‘not letting matters rest’, etc. when rest is all he is up to. Time to pack him off to the House of Lords where the mojo-less belong. Thu 24 Feb 2011 18:27:45 GMT+1