Comments for http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html en-gb 30 Wed 16 Apr 2014 22:36:24 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html Doctuer_Eiffel http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=99#comment237 Who cares wins...Time to make man made climate change denial legally the same offence as holocaust denial. Tue 05 Jan 2010 17:15:14 GMT+1 crash2 http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=99#comment236 who cares,the global warming hoax needs to go up in smoke anyway Tue 05 Jan 2010 14:03:59 GMT+1 Doctuer_Eiffel http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=98#comment235 Since the entire fiasco was a complete failure by politicians to actually achieve anything perhaps the biggest snub is by ALL politicians to their entire species.Nationalistic finger pointing is just a distraction away from that.The real question now is since they have failed so dreadfully do we actually need politicians any longer? Fri 01 Jan 2010 00:09:28 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=98#comment234 This post has been Removed Tue 29 Dec 2009 01:44:40 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=97#comment233 This post has been Removed Tue 29 Dec 2009 01:23:42 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=97#comment232 This post has been Removed Tue 29 Dec 2009 01:13:44 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=97#comment231 This post has been Removed Tue 29 Dec 2009 01:05:04 GMT+1 Jukka Rohila http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=96#comment230 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Dec 2009 19:55:41 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=96#comment229 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Dec 2009 18:07:08 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=95#comment228 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Dec 2009 17:43:10 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=95#comment227 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Dec 2009 17:42:15 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=94#comment226 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Dec 2009 17:32:31 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=94#comment225 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Dec 2009 17:22:46 GMT+1 Jukka Rohila http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=94#comment224 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Dec 2009 16:32:08 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=93#comment223 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Dec 2009 16:24:49 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=93#comment222 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Dec 2009 14:26:02 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=92#comment221 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Dec 2009 14:20:33 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=92#comment220 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Dec 2009 14:09:01 GMT+1 Jan_Keeskop http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=92#comment219 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Dec 2009 08:58:45 GMT+1 democracythreat http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=91#comment218 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Dec 2009 05:04:48 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=91#comment217 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Dec 2009 22:58:32 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=90#comment216 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Dec 2009 22:10:25 GMT+1 Jukka Rohila http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=90#comment215 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Dec 2009 21:32:15 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=89#comment214 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Dec 2009 15:08:57 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=89#comment213 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Dec 2009 15:02:12 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=89#comment212 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Dec 2009 14:55:14 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=88#comment211 DJ;"Europe was snubbed in Copenhagen but, also, many other countries were snubbed also."The US was snubbed...by China. In the case of Europe it's just a matter of hurt egos that doesn't add up to a hill of beans. But in the case of the US it is a far more serious matter and it was a personal matter, a slight against someone who will not take it lying down. China has a very complex relationship with the US. A two trillion dollar American debt to China is not a weapon that can have any effect on the way China act towards the US. It is a very dangerous game they are playing. China like Europe would find America a formidable enemy. That economic growth in China could be turned into a deep and perpetual recession in a heartbeat if relations soured to the point where America felt its ability to act as an independent agent on its own behalf was in jeopardy. Europeans who are so willing, even eager to give up their national sovereignty in the dim light of their longstanding impotence may have forgotten and now not understand the psychology of those who are not in similar circumstances. China seems to be playing with fire. Before it gets fatally burned in a conflagration, perhaps the US should bring it back to reality by just demonstrating that it still holds all the aces by singing it a little...just as a reminder and a wake up call. Sun 27 Dec 2009 13:49:50 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=88#comment210 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Dec 2009 13:36:42 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=87#comment209 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Dec 2009 12:40:34 GMT+1 Jan_Keeskop http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=87#comment208 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Dec 2009 04:34:23 GMT+1 dennisjunior1 http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=86#comment207 Gavin---I honestly think that Europe was snubbed in Copenhagen but, also, many other countries were snubbed also...=Dennis Junior= Sun 27 Dec 2009 03:33:08 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=86#comment206 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Dec 2009 01:30:17 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=86#comment205 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Dec 2009 01:24:16 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=85#comment204 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Dec 2009 01:15:36 GMT+1 Jan_Keeskop http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=85#comment203 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Dec 2009 00:04:56 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=84#comment202 This post has been Removed Sat 26 Dec 2009 00:45:02 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=84#comment201 Chris_Arta, I don't object. Everyone having as much history as they could. What's the problem nothing to quarrel about. Problems are health, an odd climate week o:)), and that distant past I mean, Jesus Christ Godsky Almightsky :o)))Besides who would say all here was one big "Russia". Who are Russians. I don't know. A mixture of all the locals from left to right, exercising the culture :o))) Sat 26 Dec 2009 00:38:00 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=84#comment200 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 23:17:17 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=83#comment199 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 23:06:26 GMT+1 Chris http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=83#comment198 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 22:55:24 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=82#comment197 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 22:03:21 GMT+1 Chris http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=82#comment196 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 21:59:08 GMT+1 Chris http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=81#comment195 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 20:43:45 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=81#comment194 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 13:57:25 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=81#comment193 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 13:54:32 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=80#comment192 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 12:38:53 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=80#comment191 Mavrelius, I don't see here any lack of foreign investment. What is the point?Any money made won't be shared with Russians, but selected few.Not all Russians can work in a foreign company. And when they do, foreign companies way too often start to behave like the local one, that is - profits to own pockets in thousands percent, and a tiny stream down to personnel.Will never forget how I worked for a five star hotel here, foreign managed, all clean, nice, good, interesting job. Various travel fairs abroad, interesting events to organise, conferences, parties, what not. Marketing manager. Salary - 30 dollars a month. That's a tip to the bar. All floor-cleaners and F&B LOL pitied me, were saying drop that stupid marketing, we are also paid 20 LOL (Mavrelius - 20 dollars - it's two pairs of stockings here, in case you think it is any thing) but we have tips in hundreds, and you, office workers, have nil. Fri 25 Dec 2009 08:47:52 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=79#comment190 A mother of clinical idiots. Fri 25 Dec 2009 03:40:42 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=79#comment189 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 03:39:47 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=78#comment188 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 03:18:23 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=78#comment187 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 02:56:37 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=78#comment186 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 02:54:56 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=77#comment185 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 02:37:02 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=77#comment184 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 00:28:03 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=76#comment183 The most important thing - Merry Christmas to our moderators! Thu 24 Dec 2009 23:40:44 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=76#comment182 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 23:11:01 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=76#comment181 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 23:08:57 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=75#comment180 Still, in this un-balanced :o) planet - resources are suddenly of importance again. Technology won't feed livestock, onto the high-tech all over-relied as well, I'm afraid. Simple things like land and water and grain are needed again, because of the population growth in the planet. And in this sense it is still possible to "plug in into Russia and get a relief. Thu 24 Dec 2009 22:58:49 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=75#comment179 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 22:55:54 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=74#comment178 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 22:48:54 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=74#comment177 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 21:00:53 GMT+1 rg http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=73#comment176 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 19:48:54 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=73#comment175 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 18:44:38 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=73#comment174 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 18:40:51 GMT+1 oldnat http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=72#comment173 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 18:19:57 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=72#comment172 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 17:28:38 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=71#comment171 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 16:39:52 GMT+1 Joao Coelho http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=71#comment170 In the US, the EU has been sidelined a long time ago. Remember Old Europe versus New Europe, the comment by Rumsfeld? In the US, when i hear about competition, it is not Europe but China and India and even Brasil. I think Europe still has lots to offer but it has to change from being a tagalong nation that follows what the US does and says; in this case they should remove Barroso as he was the Portuguese puppy that followed along Bush's war in Iraq, eager to be part of the big power. Europe needs a revamp, get rid of the old guard eager beavers that lack new ideas. If the EU is going to make a difference, they do not need to try to compete in the new world order, they can create their own. Maybe reduce population, reduce immigration, focus on educating its people, give them good health care, retirements and a healthy environment to live in and grow their children. The EU does not need to get into the race of gadget making to prop its economy. There are many good things coming out of Europe, in science, technology and the arts. We need to play to our strenghts not our weakenesses: runaway capitalist competition at the cost of the wealfare of the population is just an old idea that is getting us nowhere and we will see that same idea fail China, the US and India. It's already failing the US. Thu 24 Dec 2009 16:33:41 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=71#comment169 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 16:27:39 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=70#comment168 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 16:14:57 GMT+1 rg http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=70#comment167 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 16:05:07 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=69#comment166 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 15:50:14 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=69#comment165 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 15:46:34 GMT+1 rg http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=68#comment164 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 15:46:23 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=68#comment163 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 15:28:08 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=68#comment162 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 15:24:45 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=67#comment161 As the Lilliputians and Belfescuans argued interminably over which end of an egg to open, so the Europeans will argue interminably over every issue in life. As a trade bloc, it is no longer in their self interest to go to war with each other but as a single political and cultural entity the prospects seem to me to be very dim.In the story, Gulliver found himself washed up on the shores of Lilliput and when he regained consciousness he was tied down by the Lilliputians. It didn't take him long though to free himself. Much larger and stronger than they were, he was far more wise and practical as well. President Obama was not washed ashore nor was he tied down. He blew in on Copenhagen like a tornado, did his damage, and quickly blew out. His battle in the US Congress to enact health care legislation was surely uppermost in his mind, American national security and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq high on his thoughts, problems of global climate change decades down the road a distant last. Small wonder he nearly fell asleep at the meeting. There simply was nothing for him to discuss. Like Gulliver, he probably cracks his eggs in the middle so why listen to the pointless prattle of mere Lilliputians. Thu 24 Dec 2009 15:06:29 GMT+1 Freeborn John http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=67#comment160 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 13:57:08 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=66#comment159 Looking at the photo, it seems to me that all of the people in that room could have used a drink or three...except for President Obama who looks like he's had at least one too many already. Ahhh, that sleepy feeling in a business meeting in the afternoon after a largely liquid lunch or in an evening sitting around after a large dinner wishing you were home in bed instead of politely sitting there listing to some tiresome fool spouting a poitless story which is where Obama seemed to be stuck. Well it looks like a post mortem on Copenhagen and maybe time to write the epitaph of life on planet earth as we've come to know it. You Euros especially would be a lot happier if you just resigned yourselves to the fact that the earth just can't support 6.5 billion people at the level of comfort, mobility, and freedom those of us in the Western world enjoy, the same levels other people around the world want just as badly as we do. So there are only three alternatives. We all agree to live in pre-industrial conditions which Americans, Chinese, and Indians won't even pretend they'll agree to. That's what Europeans really are insisting on even if they won't actually do it themselves no matter what they promise (piddling efforts like solar and wind power won't cut it), we reduce the number of people in the world to a stable level, say one or two billion which nobody even wanted to talk about, or the climate will change and decide capriciously who lives and who dies for us. Choice number three is what we've selected. Where and how people will die from climate change is anyone's guess but there is no disputing I think that if this climate change theory is right they will die in large numbers. So sit back, relax, batten down the hatches if you have to, and enjoy the party until the end comes. Time for that drink. Thu 24 Dec 2009 13:33:12 GMT+1 Angryjohn http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=66#comment158 David re #142I think you are spot on. If this happened then it would work.I don't think anyone wants it to happen though which is a stumbling block. Thu 24 Dec 2009 13:11:34 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=65#comment157 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 13:01:47 GMT+1 Angryjohn http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=65#comment156 U4466131 re #125 "#124 AngryjohnNo I'm afraid you completely miss the point. I'm a Brit and I really really don't like Murdoch interfering in Britain and come to that I'm not very keen on Berlusconi either but I didn't elect him and he mostly sticks to his own country. At least the Italians get a chance to get rid of Berlusconi as a politician.So your point was? "I was answering a point of Gheryando (the best pro EU voice on this debate I think) who stated that the EU is not working as well as it might as the Anti EU people didn't let it become federal enough.My point was that the EU will not work until we all see ourselves as being European first and Nations second. Until there is that will in deed as well as word, then the EU project will be about partisan national promotion.As evidence I presented Mr Sarkozay who gleefully told people that at last France was in control of the City of London (to the horror of the EU).I added that in my opinion people living in different nations had too disperate ideals, acceptances and objectives to be able to accept a one size fits all set of rules and ideals.As evidence I pointed out Berlusconi who would probably not be accepted in the UK when he is quite accepted in Italy. I also mentioned the mediterrainian culture of bribes in yachts when going in and out of harbours which would be intolerable in the northern Germanic ports.You helpfully mentioned Murdoch in the UK who might be unwelcome elsewhere in the EU.I was not saying "Berlusconi is bad." My personal opinion of Murdoch is also not significant to my point.I don't disagree with anything you wrote in #125. It doesn't conflict with my arguement.-EU won't work without more federal powers and a stronger sense of EU identity than national identity.-This stronger EU identity will not happen until we have more common ideals and acceptances.I hope i've explained my thought process well enough whether you agree or not :-)federal powers Thu 24 Dec 2009 12:55:37 GMT+1 lochraven http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=65#comment155 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 12:39:37 GMT+1 Freeborn John http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=64#comment154 To Maria Ashot, CBW, freeman et al who already wished a 'Joyeux Noel' and to Gavin Hewitt and all who contribute to his blog, i wish you a Happy Christmas, and above all that 2010 will be a better year than 2009! Thu 24 Dec 2009 12:28:41 GMT+1 Chris http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=64#comment153 BTW U4466131 your wish for "santa" to bring a "brain to MAII" is full of fairytale talk, i.e. "santa", brain & MAII" :))) pretty much like some Europhobes talk about EUSSR:))))You are learning from them I see :))sorry MAII, I mean no offence just a joke as it is Xmas time :)) Thu 24 Dec 2009 12:27:12 GMT+1 Chris http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=63#comment152 merry xmas to Freeman, CBW, WA, MAII, all the "U"s etc. Thu 24 Dec 2009 12:22:32 GMT+1 rg http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=63#comment151 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 12:19:56 GMT+1 U4466131 http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=63#comment150 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 11:07:02 GMT+1 U4466131 http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=62#comment149 #131 MarcusAureliusIIMarcus you are pathetic Have a nice Christmas, maybe Santa will bring you a brain. Thu 24 Dec 2009 11:01:58 GMT+1 Freeman http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=62#comment148 And Merry Christmas all. :) Thu 24 Dec 2009 10:42:58 GMT+1 Freeman http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=61#comment147 Sorry Chris, but I cannot have your faith in the Petition idea. I prefer to call it the Cap-In-Hand provision as that is what the citizens who actually do this will be doing. "Please Sir, could you.....No" or possibly "It fits the agenda...OK". This is a party for the new European 'aristocracy' and peons are not invited. Thu 24 Dec 2009 10:42:07 GMT+1 Chris http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=61#comment146 As for the summit saying the EU didn't play its part is wrong. Short of telling the developing world we'll pay for your president's next airplane, telling the Chinese you are right it is all our fault no one else should have to reduce their emissions, keep burning as much as you like. Telling Obama you don't have to make any changes either just in case you upset the congress and they will not pass your healthcare bill.The only thing I blame the EU for is it should have said, sorry guys that's your deal we are not interested in it. We'll try again next time. Thu 24 Dec 2009 10:28:57 GMT+1 Chris http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=60#comment145 @145What it is now is better that it was a few years ago and it is on the right direction to get even better in the future. So, stop having concerns and enjoy it :) Thu 24 Dec 2009 10:23:42 GMT+1 Freeman http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=60#comment144 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 10:00:31 GMT+1 Mathiasen http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=60#comment143 An almost bizarre choice of angle on the matter. The article is quite unsufficient. The greatest producers of carbon are also the biggest brakes on the political process, and one day this will be clear even to BBC. Thu 24 Dec 2009 09:04:11 GMT+1 Chris http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=59#comment142 @142David you analysis is good. Because most people assume that the trick is power. It depends what one wants if it is happines and lifestyle then don't need power just everyone else to work in a peaceful way with you and everyone is happy. If one wants power then fighting and all hell breaks loose. Thu 24 Dec 2009 07:13:03 GMT+1 David http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=59#comment141 I think, Web Alice,that Europe will only be powerful if it just resorts to common sense and takes power. Don't look around for it..Britain needs to leave the USA to its own devices and join with Germany, France and Italy (the others can have a "small European club" for power w/in Europe--Spain, Greece,etc.) and then these four major European countries would represent all 27 nations of Europe at major summits or in the world--the UK-Italy-France-Germany "entente"--better than the word "axis."Then, Europe would have a powerful voice -- with Unity. But, only if G. Britain joins in and quits acting coy by dithering between the Europe and the USA.And then, WA, Russia could join in and stir things up by at least asking to enter the Euro zone and the EU. What harm could occur to or from a Russia within its natural place, Europe?The USA is gravitating eastward toward China, Japan and the new moneyed Asians-where we would fit right in. There would then be balance in the world and everyone would all be happy:) !Viola! ?N'est pas? LOL Thu 24 Dec 2009 04:44:55 GMT+1 Maria Ashot http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=58#comment140 Thomas Friedman of the New York Times wrote an excellent piece on Copenhagen, in today's (December 22) issue. Very easy to find online at the nytimes.com website.It reinforces the validity of the COP15 lessons, the example of Denmark, and the EU approach.Very much worth a read. Alice, poetry is always welcome. We have about 2 weeks until Julian Christmas, so we get a preview now, and a reprise in 2 weeks -- with New New Year in between, and Old New Year to mark the end of all the festivities...And then Lunar New Year with any Asian friends, so by end of Feb we will definitely know it is 2010.I'll be around pretty much the whole time. The Half, as we say, will be visiting your neck of the woods, though. I was there this time last year: gorgeous. This year, his turn. We shall see if he finds signs of intelligent life...? I fully expect it!Cheers! And music! How about a little Handel? Thu 24 Dec 2009 03:44:07 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=58#comment139 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 03:22:17 GMT+1 WebAliceinwonderland http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/12/s_5.html?page=57#comment138 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 03:17:35 GMT+1