Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html en-gb 30 Tue 21 Oct 2014 07:36:51 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html McJakome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=99#comment286 270. At 5:29pm on 31 Jan 2011, polite and kind wrote:“...Yes I was talking to you. Explain the laws on carrying ID in the USA.Explain how homeless people are criminalised for not carrying ID.The other comments like getting treated by a Doc without loosing an arm and a leg you should be able to understand.” These questions show an enormous number of preconceived notions about the US. I will, once again, try to answer them, but you will have to remove the erroneous preconceptions from your own minds.1. The US is a federal system, there are NO national laws on treatment of the poor and homeless like those you seem to be describing.*2. There is NO national ID [as yet]. There are some state IDs like drivers licences, hunting licences, etc. but I know of no law requiring a citizen to carry one. Visa holders may be required to report their presence, however.3. The police can not [in any of the states I have lived in] simply ask for an ID [as they can in most “democratic” as well as less than democratic states in Europe and elsewhere. Unlike Germany, for example, Americans need not notify the police if they change residence.]4. Not only have homelessness and poverty not been “criminalized,” but possession of small amounts of Marijuana have been decriminalized [but not legalized] in some areas. There are, however, federal laws about drugs, so if the local police don’t go after you the feds might.What does exist [as far as I know, but I can not tell you about all 50 states and some other jurisdictions] is as follows.1. *There are federal laws and the US Constitution protecting freedom of speech and other rights that states can not infringe. And there are civil rights laws and regulations intended to protect minorities, the handicapped, etc.2. The police can ask for ID if there is a reasonable suspicion of criminal conduct, which has to be shown in court.3. Many jurisdictions have laws against littering, loitering, creating a public nuisance, etc. They have been misapplied in the past, but I am aware of no systematic abuses [where I live at any rate] at present.4. When temperatures are below freezing and the weather is as bad as it is now, shelters are opened for the poor and homeless [in addition to the private, usually religious shelters]. I have heard that when some of the homeless refuse to go to shelters the police will arrest them so that they are in a warm place with some food, rather than letting them die on the street. 5. I agree that the health care “system” in the US is a scam run by and for the profit of the insurance, drug and private hospital companies. However, it is illegal for hospitals to turn anyone away from emergency treatment. Abuses have occurred and have been prosecuted. Even illegal immigrants are treated without question, which causes a number of problems and becomes involved in political issues.It is the middle class that suffers most from this, because medical treatment can eat up all income and savings until someone qualifies for free care [which is not complete care].I hope this answers some of your questions, if only for a handful of the 50 states. Wed 02 Feb 2011 14:11:19 GMT+1 McJakome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=99#comment285 263. At 9:57pm on 30 Jan 2011, worcesterjim wrote RE 257: "I am fully engaged in spreading my fevered leftist propoganda and making a sculpture and being a houseperson (along with my wife)...... and don`t have the brains to digest new information as I used to long ago when I soaked up Max Gluckman`s lectures and tried to understand Soros` pal Popper`s opaque ramblings..."I would be hypocritical if I driticized you for doing what, in one sense, I have done. I used to listen to both CNN and FOX, on the theory that by listening to both right and left, one could triangulate on the truth somewhere in between. FOX spews such blatant Goebbelsian propaganda that I gave up on it, I gave up on CNN shortly thereafter, as it occurred to me that listening to two liers would not point to the truth.You point out conspiracies, and I have my own favorite conspiracies [which involve those who control the money and the oil, but not the Jews, Masons and Illuminati that you seem to be obsessed with]. So I have to admit there is wheat amid your chaff, I merely suggested a bit more winnowing. I have not reached the point where I am so satisfied that my opinion is absolutely correct and would not be improved by reading and listening to reliable contrary opinions. I read your posts because, unlike LucyJ, you actually can offer something like coherence.I am glad that you did not take offense, as none was intended. I do wish you would read those books, however. At least try it when you are sleepless and pacing. Wed 02 Feb 2011 13:40:47 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=98#comment284 "You made the accusation. I asked if you could substantiate your claim.You have failed to do so."Please, Chryses, define "accusation".Is stating that "many BBC journalists have moved to Al-Jazeera just to make more money" an accusation? Rather than merely an observation ?And do you have any info/data proving that what I've written is false?Besides, since when changing jobs to make more money somewhere else is something someone can or should be 'accused' of?I've asked you several times to explain it to me.So far - no answer. [I'm starting to wonder why]So, yes, I fail to understand your logic. If it's any logic at all.And at this point, considering your clear obsession with that minor off-topic subject - I am starting to believe that reasons my original statement has obviously mightily upset you might have nothing to do with logics.And more with touchiness.[not that I'm implying that your long time African/Mid Eastern experience has in any way influenced your biased position; not at all.]Happy weather, and try to protect yourself from the heat in your area.For I wish you well. Wed 02 Feb 2011 12:07:45 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=98#comment283 powermeerkat, (#283. At 09:30am on 02 Feb 2011)"BTW. Any close relative left BBC for al-Jazeera, for you being so touchy? ...Chryses in #282: 'No "touchiness" over here. I just asked the question.'No, you most certainly have NOT.You stated expressis verbis that my comment that "many BBC journalists moved to al Jazeera just to make more money" constituted an ACCUSATION ..."You are mistaken.In Post #127 you stated that several BBC journalists left the BBC for Al Jazeera just for the money. You remember, "... how many BBC journalists have moved to Al-Jazeera just to make more money ..." Any reasonable reading of that statement identifies that you assert their motivation was not for advancement in their career, not for better working conditions, not for job security, nor for any other reason. You claimed that the reason left the BBC for Al Jazeera just for the money. You made the accusation. I asked if you could substantiate your claim.You have failed to do so."... Since you clearly view yourself as a man with a knowledge of logics(let alone of a supreme intellect) may I ask you, not for the first time, (and please, not ifs, ans and buts]:Since when choosing an outfit which pays better and offers better perks for a comparable job over one which pays less (and intends to cut your pension to boot) is a CRIME? Or even something shameful, rather than a smart career move many would approve of, and some would even applaud? ..."I did not suggest that. Further, you did not claim that these people left for better working conditions now, or in the future. In post #127 you stated that several BBC journalists left the BBC for Al Jazeera just for the money. You remember, "... how many BBC journalists have moved to Al-Jazeera just to make more money ..." You claimed that they left the BBC for Al Jazeera just for the money. It is unwise to suggest that you said otherwise, as you have attempted to do in your post above, as all I need do is to refer everyone back to your post #127 to read what you actually posted."... Speak now (clearly and succintly) or forever hold your peace ..."I trust that you are satisfied with my response ."... P.S. Chryses: Anyone can claim anything.'Well, Sir, you just did ..."You are mistaken. You made the claim in post #127 that several BBC journalists left the BBC for Al Jazeera just for the money. I asked if you could substantiate your claim. You have, to date, failed to do so."... Have a nice weather![Or climate, if you prefer. :-)]"The weather here remains chilly, in contrast to the climate, which as those who follow scientific developments know, is growing warmer. That's AGW for you. Wed 02 Feb 2011 10:47:42 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=98#comment282 BTW. Any close relative left BBC for al-Jazeera, for you being so touchy? ..."Chryses in #282: No "touchiness" over here. I just asked the question.No, you most certainly have NOT.You stated expressis verbis that my comment that "many BBC journalists moved to al Jazeera just to make more money" constituted an ACCUSATION.Since you clearly view yourself as a man with a knowledge of logics(let alone of a supreme intellect) may I ask you, not for the first time, (and please, not ifs, ans and buts]:Since when choosing an outfit which pays better and offers better perks for a comparable job over one which pays less (and intends to cut your pension to boot) is a CRIME? Or even something shameful, rather than a smart career move many would approve of, and some would even applaud?Speak now (clearly and succintly) or forever hold your peace.P.S. Chryses: "Anyone can claim anything."Well, Sir, you just did.Have a nice weather! [Or climate, if you prefer. :-)] Wed 02 Feb 2011 09:30:16 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=97#comment281 powermeerkat, (#281. At 8:19pm on 01 Feb 2011)"... "If you give all people equal chances the worst will prevail, for they constitute a majority"(Jose Ortega y Gasset)[how topical considering bullying of real scientists by phoney pseudo-scientists/crooks, subsidized by greedy "green industry"'s crooks.] ..."Fortunately, the overwhelming majority of scientists continue to do their science, and the results continue to strengthen the existing scientific consensus in favor of AGW."... BTW. Any close relative left BBC for al-Jazeera, for you being so touchy? ..."No "touchiness" over here. I just asked the question."... Has my original comment hit too close to home for comfort by any chance? ..."Anyone can go back through my posts to see what I wrote, and to infer motivation. Feel free to do so, should you be so inclined."... . Are you an al-Jazeera's or BBC's aficionado? ..."As an American who grew up in Africa, and then worked in the ME for a good while, I prefer the Beeb to American news organizations, which commonly have a parochial frame of reference, IMO. Having sampled the "News" as presented by state run broadcasters in various ME countries, I find Al Jazeera a breath of fresh air in the Arab world. And how 'bout al-Arabiya?They help keep Al Jazeera honest/less polemic."... [know guys who moved there just to make more money, too. :-)] ..."Anyone can claim anything."... Inquiring minds of ignorant meerkats want to know."Seek and ye shall find says the Good Book. Now you know. Wed 02 Feb 2011 00:13:26 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=97#comment280 Chryses, I already accepted you won. Whatever it was you wanted to win.-------------------------------------------------------------------------"If you give all people equal chances the worst will prevail, for they constitute a majority"(Jose Ortega y Gasset)[how topical considering bullying of real scientists by phoney pseudo-scientists/crooks, subsidized by greedy "green industry"'s crooks.]BTW. Any close relative left BBC for al-Jazeera, for you being so touchy?Has my original comment hit too close to home for comfort by any chance?Are you an al-Jazeera's or BBC's aficionado?And how 'bout al-Arabiya?[know guys who moved there just to make more money, too. :-)]Inquiring minds of ignorant meerkats want to know. Tue 01 Feb 2011 20:19:22 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=97#comment279 Re #101 and subsequent...May I help with restoring posts from 2.20pm on Jan 29 till the current GMT on February 1st?[I have some expertise in retrieving allegedly non-retrievable data] Tue 01 Feb 2011 16:33:24 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=96#comment278 Oldloadr wrote:90. At 1:12pm on 29 Jan 2011, powermeerkat wrote:Or at least in jhaddists cars' rear view mirrors.____________________________________________Objects in this mirror are closer than they appear!Oh, and yes, we are celebrating the meeting of jihadists with the Creator, who we don’t think is too impressed with their behavior…Oldloadr, a rhetorical question:Why should we deprive sexually repressed jihaddists of 72 virgins each? Tue 01 Feb 2011 16:00:24 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=96#comment277 powermeerkat, (#277. At 11:29am on 01 Feb 2011)"To post corrections one should possess a better knowledge or data proving that what someone else posted was wrong/untrue ..."I do."... So far you have not provided any evidence that broadcasters who left BBC for "greener pastures" have done so (in many cases) for different reasons than the one I've mention. Nor - have you specified what they have been ..."I don't need to. You do. I did not make the unsubstantiated claims. You did."... Perhaps you'll have better luck proving that the global warming on Mars is also man-made ... "As I have not made that claim, I need not do so. Mars and Earth are different planets. I though you knew that."... Or explain which areas of Baltimore are more dangerous than Egypt ..."If you take the time to read my post in re personal safety, you'll notice that I did not make that claim. Do try to be careful."... And specifically why ..."Get the terms right, and I may well do so."...Thank you in advance, for inquiring minds are always willing to learn something new from the Enlightened Ones] ..."Such behavior (learning) has been conspicuously lacking in some here of late."... Have a nice weather!"The weather here has become chilly, in contrast to the climate, which as those who follow scientific developments know, is growing warmer. That's AGW for you. Tue 01 Feb 2011 12:07:46 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=96#comment276 To post corrections one should possess a better knowledge or data proving that what someone else posted was wrong/untrue.So far you have not provided any evidence that broadcasters who left BBC for "greener pastures" have done so (in many cases) for different reasons than the one I've mention. Nor - have you specified what they have been.Perhaps you'll have better luck proving that the global warming on Mars is also man-made.Or explain which areas of Baltimore are more dangerous than Egypt.And specifically why.Thank you in advance, for inquiring minds are always willing to learn something new from the Enlightened Ones]Have a nice weather! Tue 01 Feb 2011 11:29:07 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=95#comment275 powermeerkat, (#275. At 08:29am on 01 Feb 2011)”Chryses, please stop the BS ...Now that’s an interesting expression to use, coming as it is from someone who is not only unable to substantiate his claims, but who cannot quit bring himself to admit it.”... you obviously know about as much about the world of international broadcasting and its realities as about man-made global warming ...”I did not make any claims about “the world of international broadcasting,” you did, in post #127, if memory serves. You have been unable to substantiate those claims.As for knowledge about AGW, most of my posts on that topic have been identifying and correcting the errors of others. For example, the posts from some people in these threads have repeated shown that they are unable or unwilling to distinguish between weather and climate. When I notice those mistakes, I post corrections. Tue 01 Feb 2011 10:42:31 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=95#comment274 Chryses, please stop the BS.You simply want to have the last word. Which is fine with me since you obviously know about as much about the world of international broadcasting and its realities as about man-made global warming.In other words: THOU ART THE MAN.Over and out. Tue 01 Feb 2011 08:29:42 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=95#comment273 Andy wrote: Yep, a popular uprising often does not result in a democracy (Iran became a theocracy). Egypt is its own country. I guess we'll have to wait and see.------------That is the question: who is Egypt? Tue 01 Feb 2011 00:18:27 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=94#comment272 powermeerkat, (#269. At 12:43pm on 31 Jan 2011)”For those those who believe that moving from a broadcasting outfit which it in decline to an oufit which pays more for an indentical job and is expanding is as an offensive act one can be 'accused' of, rather than a smart career move many would approve of, or even applaud...”Can’t quite admit that you are unable to substantiate your claim, eh? You know, the one you made back in post #127? That was when you posted ”how many BBC journalists have moved to Al-Jazeera just to make more money.”No biggie. You have plenty of company in these threads. Mon 31 Jan 2011 23:58:30 GMT+1 Andy Post http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=94#comment271 Ref. 240, LucyJ:"Um, Andy, I guess not all are staying home..."Yeah, I noticed. I'm just relaying what I see on the BBC and PBS. "What will happen if majority of Egyptians vote democractically to instate Islamic law, like Sharia Law?"Then they'll have Sharia Law."Can't a group use democracy to further non-democratic means as long as its what majority wants?"Yep, a popular uprising often does not result in a democracy (Iran became a theocracy). Egypt is its own country. I guess we'll have to wait and see."Cause' it seems like that is the direction tis headed..."I haven't picked that up. That could be true. I don't know. Mon 31 Jan 2011 22:03:47 GMT+1 polite and kind http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=94#comment270 "Obama & his government were elected by the (result of) Bush presidency." Absurd conspiracy theories aside;)( i did hear this theory from a tea party fan once. He's a cynic and not going to be fooled again after voting for GW twice). Or so he claims;)" USA should back teh side of peaceful protesters (we don't back violent ones), " Historically they do back violent protesters . The muhajidin were protesting the presence of Russia. The Isreali protested they had no nation ( stern gang times ,still considered terrorists back then) The ANC did use violence ( not SO surprising though) Thatcher didn't support the ANC because they used violence ( I know Thatcher started a war for an election result and was no blushing virgin to supporting violence) at a time when the USA didn't care about the violence. Thinking about the UK though reminds me of the years of support from many Americans( but none in the government )for the IRA. US supported , officially, an organisation called Sinn Fein when they were still considered by many to be no different to the IRA than the political wing of hamas is from Hamas. Iran , Now there's a case study in supporting violent protesters. The Shah was pretty violent.And he violently protested the rights of his people to disagree for years.. But I'm with you because like you I'm for Change. Mon 31 Jan 2011 17:44:07 GMT+1 polite and kind http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=93#comment269 "264. At 9:57pm on 30 Jan 2011, quietoaktree wrote:#260 PaK"Oak you can walk around the UK at the moment without ID.Unlike the USA."Are you talking to me ??If not--sorry.If yes-- please explain ---Thanks."Yes I was talking to you. Explain the laws on carrying ID in the USA. Explain how homeless people are criminalised for not carrying ID. The other comments like getting treated by a Doc without loosing an arm and a leg you should be able to understand . Mon 31 Jan 2011 17:29:41 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=93#comment268 For those those who believe that moving from a broadcasting outfit which it in decline to an oufit which pays more for an indentical job and is expanding is as an offensive act one can be 'accused' of, rather than a smart career move many would approve of, or even applaud...There's a separate thread at HYS dealing specifically with BBC budget cuts, language sevices elimination and imminent lay-offs where you can debate it ad nauseam with yourselves assured that one way or another you'll have the last word.Whereas here it's clearly off-topic. Mon 31 Jan 2011 12:43:48 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=93#comment267 ref #267 quietoaktree wrote:#265 Magickirin"Venezuela, Cuba and Bolivia are still under authortarian rule."-- So is Egypt et. al. --- or haven´t you heard the news ?I cannot follow your argument --Maybe LucyJ can help you ?_____________Just pointing out the double standard that no calls for these dictators to step down.And that the U.S supports the progressive democracies in this hemishphere Mon 31 Jan 2011 09:05:54 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=92#comment266 #265 Magickirin"Venezuela, Cuba and Bolivia are still under authortarian rule." -- So is Egypt et. al. --- or haven´t you heard the news ?I cannot follow your argument --Maybe LucyJ can help you ? Sun 30 Jan 2011 22:20:41 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=92#comment265 This post has been Removed Sun 30 Jan 2011 22:11:19 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=91#comment264 ref #261 quietoaktree wrote:#258 MagicKirin---with all due respect, but unless you are at least 50 years old and have followed politics seriously for at least 30 years --your comments on the lack of American subversion in Middle and South America -- must be taken with a grain of salt.http://www2.truman.edu/~marc/resources/interventions.htmlI suggest you begin your search for information with the above list.____________Becker is listed in David Horwtiz's 1001 most dangerous proffessorsNo credbility.But you dont answer the argument about left wing despots.Hondures was able legaly to get rid of one.Venezuela, Cuba and Bolivia are still under authortarian rule. Sun 30 Jan 2011 21:58:11 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=91#comment263 #260 PaK"Oak you can walk around the UK at the moment without ID.Unlike the USA."Are you talking to me ??If not--sorry.If yes-- please explain ---Thanks. Sun 30 Jan 2011 21:57:32 GMT+1 worcesterjim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=91#comment262 257 I am fully engaged in spreading my fevered leftist propoganda and making a sculpture and being a houseperson (along with my wife)...... and don`t have the brains to digest new information as I used to long ago when I soaked up Max Gluckman`s lectures and tried to understand Soros` pal Popper`s opaque ramblings JMM. I must regretfully decline this opportunity to put you right...or is it left?!I know what I know...but the powerful ignore sensible modest solutions and hang still on the obviously flawed ideas of the Friedmanites... because it SUITS them!It depresses me that your nation has never been less enlightened....but maybe a period of decline will sharpen your wits and disclose the sordid underpinnings of your recent prosperity ...and make you wiser people? Sun 30 Jan 2011 21:57:09 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=90#comment261 A correspondant from German ZDF TV has stated that the protesters were fewer today. He explained that the population are defending their homes ---which is the intention of the government. Sun 30 Jan 2011 21:50:48 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=90#comment260 #258 MagicKirin---with all due respect, but unless you are at least 50 years old and have followed politics seriously for at least 30 years --your comments on the lack of American subversion in Middle and South America -- must be taken with a grain of salt.http://www2.truman.edu/~marc/resources/interventions.htmlI suggest you begin your search for information with the above list. Sun 30 Jan 2011 21:34:06 GMT+1 polite and kind http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=90#comment259 Oak you can walk around the UK at the moment without ID. Unlike the USA.As for the other examples being above your head, I am sorry, but able to give you some advice. Raise the bar you watch from. Sun 30 Jan 2011 21:30:39 GMT+1 polite and kind http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=89#comment258 Lucy It doesn't matter how you try to dress that nationalism. it still doesn't look attractive.You bring it up you raise the issue don't make me go through a long list of how wrong it is to assume all those US goodies are US . I saw that here before. MA2 and his claims of superiority did no good to making anyone think Americans were not brash and rude and easily fooled.Now tell me about what a great Obama supporter you were again;) Chuckle. Inane positivity is a problem. Remember the positive thinking that the economy was fine. Remember the positive thinking that Iranians will welcome us with open arms.( They did but we threw toilet paper in their sewers so they gave up opening their arms). The world is helped by recognising the good things, but it is not so that ignoring the bad things is a help. Go on ,carry on writing about how great America is. Keep telling others to be positive. Buy Gold if you like.Glenn Beck is positive it will go up again. Sun 30 Jan 2011 21:29:07 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=89#comment257 ref #244 quietoaktree wrote:#241 Magickirin"Islamic dictators are amnong the great human rights violators, along with NK, Burma and Bolviarian goverments"Never heard of who supported and installed the Middle and South American American dictators ?--- Bolivarian ??????Are your ideas of Human Rights new ???_____________Hugo Chavex and the Castros imprison political oppnents and their elections are no more legitimate than Iran's o o Egypts.In the case of Bolivia, those living in the andean provinces are puntivly taxed and are not given the same rights and privilidges as Morales ethnic group. Sun 30 Jan 2011 20:06:07 GMT+1 McJakome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=89#comment256 197. At 07:28am on 30 Jan 2011, worcesterjim wrote:"...The people who left Europe to found the USA were dissidents and revolutionaries ...well versed in the ideas that caused revolutions in Europe...and hungry for freedom..."worcesterjim, you really need to leaven your politically biased understandings by reading some other POV's and some real academic history. As a starter I would recommend:'The Radicalism of the American Revolution' by Gordon S. Wood and 'Dissent: Voices of Conscience' by Ann Wright and Susan Dixon.The former might give you some perspective on the social changes in both Britain and the American colonies. The latter is contemporary and has a foreward by Daniel Ellsberg [considered a Communist by some of the other American posters].I took a course in historiography in which we read the history of the US as seem by Whigs, Patriots, Conservatives, Marxists, NeoMarxists, and some others. We tried to be unpartisan and clear eyed in evaluating them. Your posts show that your reading has been top-heavy with lefist sources, but you might start with the American old left historians, Charles and Mary Beard.Stay away from the Neocons, especially anything written [ghost- of course] by Palin, George W. Bush and that crowd.I highly recommend the Woods book, and would be very interested in having British readers point out any weaknesses in the parts relating to Britain. Sun 30 Jan 2011 19:47:40 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=88#comment255 254, 255,One of my favorite Bob Dylan songs of all time, the song Changing of the Guards...One verse from the song:"Gentlemen, he said,I don't need your organization, I've shined your shoes,I've moved your mountains and marked your cardsBut Eden is burning, either brace yourself for eliminationOr else your hearts must have the courage for the changing of the guards." Sun 30 Jan 2011 18:24:41 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=88#comment254 #254 Chryses--and Tangled up in Blue. Sun 30 Jan 2011 17:40:37 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=88#comment253 The times they are a-changin'. Sun 30 Jan 2011 17:37:05 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=87#comment252 LucyJ Over 1000 Palestinian ´terrorists´have been ´freed´ from Egyptian jails.In Alexandria, more veiled women are joining the protests. Sun 30 Jan 2011 17:28:55 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=87#comment251 This post has been Removed Sun 30 Jan 2011 17:03:07 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=87#comment250 LucyJ -- Their body language is other than you wish ! --Mubarak and America GET OUT !--but maybe something has been lost in the translation ? Sun 30 Jan 2011 16:49:36 GMT+1 jimewins http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=86#comment249 H. Clinton may speak for the government, but she doesn't speak for me or most of the people. Obama & his government were elected by the (result of) Bush presidency."... he says America likes strong men without democratic backing, because "it is easy to pick up the phone and tell the leader what is expected from them".Unfortunately this is a correct statement and all suffer from this policy.Good on the Egyptians, we here in the US should do so well to throw off the yoke of democrats and republicans. Sun 30 Jan 2011 16:49:36 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=86#comment248 Ad wrote: This seems to me to be a spontaneous outburst of public anger (copy-catting Tunisia) against Mubarack and his cronies, now complicated by the participation of criminal elements, extremists, and the like, all jumping on the bandwaggon.--------I wonder what Mubarack did that made them so angry?By our pro-democratic stance, USA should back teh side of peaceful protesters (we don't back violent ones), even if we don't like what could come next- a new President possibly from the Muslim Brotherhood or one that may not like us, GB or Israel...Regardless of what we think, its up to Egypt to pick the person they want as President and to make their laws as they see fit...Even if its a non-democratic group using democracy to enforce what they want like Sharia law, ultimately its their land to create or destroy...USA can offer advice and what we feel about the situtation, but ultimately we should stay out of the uprising and yes, as other posters have said, simply let the chips fall where they may, because that's what's going to happen anyways...You can hear the Egyptians shouting on tv, I can read their body language, but it would be much more interesting to know what they are actually saying... Sun 30 Jan 2011 16:26:43 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=86#comment247 #246 LucyJ--who is a terrorist and who is not a terrorist is presently being discussed on Egyptian streets.--no matter what you or America says -- or haven´t you noticed ? Sun 30 Jan 2011 16:18:20 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=85#comment246 #243 AdIt appears that some looters caught last night were ID carrying police in civil clothes.--similar to what happened in Tunisia. Sun 30 Jan 2011 15:58:20 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=85#comment245 Stevenson wrote: I'm no more scared of the "Muslim Brotherhood" than I am of the tea party... self described party of rebellion.--------http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_BrotherhoodAn excerpt:The Holy Land Foundation trial has led to the release as evidence of [76] several documents on the Muslim Brotherhood. One of these documents, dated in 1991, explains that the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. is “settlement”, defined by the author as a form of jihad aimed at destroying Western civilization from within and allowing for the victory of Islam over other religions.[77] In another one of these documents, "Ikhwan in America", the author alleges that the activities of the Muslim Brotherhood in the US include going to camps to do weapons training (referred to as Special work by the Muslim Brotherhood),[78] as well as engaging in counter-espionage against US government agencies such as the FBI and CIA (referred to as Securing the Group).[79] In November 2008 the Holy Land Foundation was found guilty of illegally funding Palestinian militant group Hamas, which is designated by the United States as a terrorist group.--------And that was in 2008?This just tells us how recent it happened, just a few years ago...Does this seem 'normal' to everyone?Its not to me... Sun 30 Jan 2011 15:57:12 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=85#comment244 Stevenson wrote: I'm no more scared of the "Muslim Brotherhood" than I am of the tea party... self described party of rebellion.--------http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_BrotherhoodAn excerpt:Between 1967 and 1987, the year Hamas was founded, the number of mosques in Gaza tripled from 200 to 600, and the Muslim Brotherhood named the period between 1975 and 1987 a phase of 'social institution building.'The Islamic Resistance Movement, or Hamas, founded in 1987 in Gaza, is a wing of the Brotherhood,[62] formed out of Brotherhood-affiliated charities and social institutions that had gained a strong foothold among the local population. During the First Intifada (1987–93), Hamas militarized and transformed into one of the strongest Palestinian militant groups.----------USA designates Hamas as a terrorist organization... Sun 30 Jan 2011 15:53:01 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=84#comment243 #241 Magickirin "Islamic dictators are amnong the great human rights violators, along with NK, Burma and Bolviarian goverments"Never heard of who supported and installed the Middle and South American American dictators ?--- Bolivarian ??????Are your ideas of Human Rights new ??? Sun 30 Jan 2011 15:51:32 GMT+1 Ad http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=84#comment242 240 LucyJThere's an item on the Muslim Brotherhod on wikipedia. It seems reasonably authoritative but I'll go no further than that as wikip. is only as accurate as the knowledge of whoever wrote the stuff.Anyway, I had already heard that the Muslim Brotherhood is a very old-established international movement and wikip. dates it back to 1928. It is very conservative but not totally swivel-eyed in its views. Some ultra-right members of the MB unhappy with what they regard as its 'moderation' have broken away from the Brotherhood and formed their own groups where eyes doubtless swivel uncontrollably.The MB has kept a low profile in the demonstrations (officially it's banned in Egypt) but we could be justified in wondering how much they are doing behind the scenes. My personal belief is that they're no more behind the demos than the CIA. This seems to me to be a spontaneous outburst of public anger (copy-catting Tunisia) against Mubarack and his cronies, now complicated by the participation of criminal elements, extremists, and the like, all jumping on the bandwaggon.One unresolved question is whether the police were withdrawn because of lack of numbers / panic or as deliberate policy, maybe to give a period for cooling-off while the Army guards key buildings. It would be great if any Egyptian bloggers could come in on this - but their Internet access has been cut. We need more light on the matter. Sun 30 Jan 2011 15:50:54 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=83#comment241 polite wrote: I can't figure out what you are saying here but will take a stab.Are you suggesting there are polite people here in the states?--------I am suggesting that not everyone feels the same way you do about your previous statement on race...clearly, Americans come in all shapes, sizes and colors. But why should we put up with illegal foreign invasion?--------plite wrote: Americans can be very positive. I have noticed that.Some are positive the world was made 23000 years ago.Others positive they live with the best healthcare in the world.Still more are positive that we should keep attacking every Arab we can find an excuse to attack.---------So you tend to look for the negative?What do you think is positive?---------polite wrote: I live here Lucy. I can see the good but I will not ignore the reality. To do so accepts the reality.Yes a nice man saved some lives. That is no exception. Every day very nice people save lives.----------I live here, also. I believe nice people saving lives are just as much as the exception as the opposite...why should 'exceptions' only be for negative things? Why can't it be for positive?-------------polite wrote:The exception last month was the shooting not the saving. But given the press's reaction you might be forgiven for thinking otherwise.There are many nice Americans , yes. I am one of them.----------I disagree, to me, the saving was just as exceptional...Yes, I feel like I am a good person, as well.----------polite wrote: I'm sorry but you sound like MA there.You use the word "help" a lot are helping in all those directions you mention.Please do not pretend we are the only ones, it is impolite to all that are also doing good works. Do you see British posters mentioning that OXFAM is one of theirs.That the Live aid concert that did so much to raise awareness of Ethiopian starvation was a Irish man.That the fertility treatments that make so many so happy were started in the UK.That the Russians developed the concept of the quick chill to stop people dying of brain injury.That the rest of the world also donates their time and money.--------I enjoyed reading MA's comments...if you mean MAII. I wonder what happened to him...Of course, people from other parts of the world do lots of good, also. I certainly don't disagree with that. I just think for all the gruff USA is given, often press looks/dwells for sensational, controversial, negative stories and overlooks the good ones...And RT actually had a good report on USA media the other day and how certain companies own the news channels and how they can sway a story any way they want...Like for example, how Disney owns ABC and ESPN, or Comcast owning NBC, ect. I'm not sure who owns CBS...I miss Dan Rather...Its very hard to find a news channel that is not owned by a corporation with special interests...the only one I know is PBS...I am not necessarily a fan of fertility treatments for various reasons but I will not mention them because I will be censored...---------polite wrote: Enjoy the sun if you have some today. I will. There is another good thing abut the USA.Great sunny weather.-----------Well...for the most part. I imagine you could probably be somewhere like Florida or such...There's lotsa jokes about Illinois weather, cause' it never can make up its mind... Sun 30 Jan 2011 15:36:06 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=83#comment240 ref #240I wonder if the Muslim Brotherhood is like the Black Panthers during the 60's in USA?------------Andy wrote: I urge my country to recognize that it has relations with Egypt, not with any particular group of Egyptians. Yes, we'll always have to deal with Cairo, but the makeup of that government is up to Egyptians.----------What will happen if majority of Egyptians vote democractically to instate Islamic law, like Sharia Law?Can't a group use democracy to further non-democratic means as long as its what majority wants?Cause' it seems like that is the direction tis headed...__________I've heard interviews with experts and Egyptians on both the BBC and Fox saying that most Egyptians don't want Sharia law.But more Iranian don't want it either and would like the criminals mullahs put on trial.Islamic dictators are amnong the great human rights violators, along with NK, Burma and Bolviarian goverments Sun 30 Jan 2011 15:22:57 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=83#comment239 LJ wrote: "Will radical extremists take over?"Andy wrote: Maybe, but right now those folks are staying home. They have no support in the streets at present. In fact, it's probably too dangerous for them to raise their heads right now. There seems to be awareness that success is more likely if they don't scare Washington. I agree. In fact it may be possible to get America to use its leverage in their favor if they don't.-----------Um, Andy, I guess not all are staying home...http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110130/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_protestAn excerpt:Egyptian security officials said that overnight armed men fired at guards in gun battles that lasted hours at the four prisons including one northwest of Cairo that held hundreds of militants. The prisoners escaped after starting fires and clashing with guards. Those who fled included 34 members of the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's largest and best organized opposition group.--------------I wonder if the Muslim Brotherhood is like the Black Panthers during the 60's in USA?------------Andy wrote: I urge my country to recognize that it has relations with Egypt, not with any particular group of Egyptians. Yes, we'll always have to deal with Cairo, but the makeup of that government is up to Egyptians.----------What will happen if majority of Egyptians vote democractically to instate Islamic law, like Sharia Law?Can't a group use democracy to further non-democratic means as long as its what majority wants?Cause' it seems like that is the direction tis headed... Sun 30 Jan 2011 15:10:26 GMT+1 Oldloadr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=82#comment238 236. At 2:32pm on 30 Jan 2011, worcesterjim wrote:233 Chryses ...Surely this is another moment when Hilary Clinton could go in under fire and bring calm to the situation? Or have I misremembered the previous time?____________________________________________________You are not mis-remembering what she said… ;) Sun 30 Jan 2011 15:03:31 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=82#comment237 #235 Chryses-- Yes, America needs a new President --if plan A fails.---even you could think that out ? Sun 30 Jan 2011 14:57:11 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=82#comment236 worcesterjim, (#236. At 2:32pm on 30 Jan 2011)”Surely this is another moment when Hilary Clinton could go in under fire and bring calm to the situation? ...Woot! She’ll do this time the same way as she did it before! Sun 30 Jan 2011 14:56:33 GMT+1 worcesterjim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=81#comment235 233 Chryses ...Surely this is another moment when Hilary Clinton could go in under fire and bring calm to the situation? Or have I misremembered the previous time? Sun 30 Jan 2011 14:32:30 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=81#comment234 quietoaktree, (#234. At 2:20pm on 30 Jan 2011)”... America probably chose the VP.”Interesting speculation. Sun 30 Jan 2011 14:32:12 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=81#comment233 #233 Chryses. This is the consequence of American Middle East policies ---INTERVENE ???America probably chose the VP. Sun 30 Jan 2011 14:20:46 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=80#comment232 BluesBerry, (#221. At 12:23pm on 30 Jan 2011)"So Egypt has a VP, a possible sucessor to President Hosni Mubarak.His name is Omar Suleiman.... This is the VP that Mubarek wants to inherit Egypt and/or:THIS IS THE VP THAT THE UNITED STATES WANTS TO INHERIT EGYPT."Do you want the U.S. to intervene to change that? If you do want the U.S. to intervene in this, what is your response to someone like JMM (#16), or worcesterjim (#18) who suggests that the U.S. should NOT intervene? Sun 30 Jan 2011 14:10:07 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=80#comment231 The demonstrators are becoming more angry and defiant. Sun 30 Jan 2011 14:03:13 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=80#comment230 The Egyptian Air Force fighter jets are are ´buzzing´ the demonstrators in Tahrir Square.More military trucks are also arriving. Sun 30 Jan 2011 13:56:50 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=79#comment229 powermeerkat, (#226. At 1:00pm on 30 Jan 2011"...'So the claim that "BBC journalists have moved to Al-Jazeera just to make more money," remains unfounded.'Nope, Chryses, the general trend is a common knowledge; it's just you won't get any specifics from me. I have more sense than that ...... it is you who should prove that that's not the case, not the other way round."You seem to be confused. You made the big claims; now, you back them up with corroborating evidence. Unless, of course, you are unable to substantiate your claims...You have yet to do so.Remember now, "... how many BBC journalists have moved to Al-Jazeera just to make more money ..."Good luck.[last time I checked it was not a defendant who had prove his innocence]Defendant ... defendant? LOL! You might want to check on just WHO made the accusations in post #127! Sun 30 Jan 2011 13:50:03 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=79#comment228 worcesterjim, (225. At 12:57pm on 30 Jan 2011I”222...To expose your game of course...why do YOU ask?”What game is that? LOL! Sun 30 Jan 2011 13:38:14 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=79#comment227 America has stated the obvious --A re-shuffle of the Egyptian government is unacceptable.Now America puts its faith in the Egyptian Army to hold the Middle East Together !Local Egyptian TV stations have asked Egyptians NOT TO WATCH Aljazeera. Sun 30 Jan 2011 13:38:05 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=78#comment226 #221 BluesBerryAn American- Mubarak- Army Plan is in place to keep the status-quo. That was made when the Egyptian army Chief-of -Staff was in Washington. The lesser of the two evils (for America) would be that Mubarak goes but his henchmen stay -as you say.If a massacre of civilians occurs --both the US and Israel will be rightly held responsible -- and a Middle East uprising is likely -- with terrible consequences.Hamas is attempting to keep its militant factions from crossing into Egypt to ´assist´ the uprising and Israel has been told to keep its mouth shut.-- and Iran is clapping its hands in glee.--- What a mess ! Sun 30 Jan 2011 13:25:18 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=78#comment225 Chryses wrote:powermeerkat, (#217. At 11:32am on 30 Jan 2011)"... But, I don't think you'd expect me to reveal what some 3d parties told me privately they were making/are making anymore than revealing here how much you make, if you told me that privately yourself, would you now? :-)"So the claim that "BBC journalists have moved to Al-Jazeera just to make more money," remains unfounded.Nope, Chryses, the general trend is a common knowledge; it's just you won't get any specifics from me. I have more sense than that.[There are plenty of other sources, including trade papers, AFTA fora..] etc.]And BTW. since it is you who seem to be questiong veracity of what I wrote re general and obvious trend known to anybody in the industry, it is you who should prove that that's not the case, not the other way round.[last time I checked it was not a defendant who had prove his innocence] Sun 30 Jan 2011 13:00:28 GMT+1 worcesterjim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=78#comment224 222...To expose your game of course...why do YOU ask? Sun 30 Jan 2011 12:57:25 GMT+1 quietoaktree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=77#comment223 The contacts between Israel and European anti-moslem Parties has increased.Fascists are strange bed-fellows --and somewhat treacherous.http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/geert-wilders-very-own-two-state-solution-1.323575http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/141103So israel is in support of religious hatred in Europe ? Sun 30 Jan 2011 12:52:45 GMT+1 american grizzly http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=77#comment222 Let Eygpt chart its own course, and while we are at it. Lets get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. The US is heading for collapse what with runaway illegal immigration, anchor babies (which are not in the Constitution as past precendence has shown in past cases). Something like $2 billion a month in Afghanistan. Plus corrupt elected officals of the old party structures (Dem &Rep). Plus what we send to Eygpt $$$, Israel, and numerous others seeking $$$$$$. It won't be long before like Sudan, Kosovo, that there probably will be attempts to secede and separate for Muslims in Belgium, UK; and I believe France has the biggest percentage population of Muslims. (But there isn't a census of this type in most European nations, or they don't answer the question, so I've heard, ignorance is bliss by government?) Then I guess Sharia law which is being practiced some what limited in the UK will be the norm. "Previously, the rulings of sharia courts in Britain could not be enforced, and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims. It has now emerged that sharia courts with these powers have been set up in London, Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester with the network’s headquarters in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. Two more courts are being planned for Glasgow and Edinburgh. Sheikh Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siddiqi, whose Muslim Arbitration Tribunal runs the courts, said he had taken advantage of a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996. Under the act, the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case." Source the Sunday Times Let Eygpt find it own path, but it will probably be a nation of Islamic persecution and Dhimmi status for the rest. I guess the Coptics may have Dhimmi status, or maybe with this slaughter it may have been revoked in the eyes of in Eygpt seeking to eliminate all none Muslims."A dhimmi (Arabic: ‎ ), (collectively ahl al-dhimmah , "the people of the dhimma or people of the contract") is a non-Muslim subject of a state governed in accordance with sharia law. ..." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi The Muslim nations have to find their own path, it may be one of intolerance and persecution. I remember the quote of the American ambassador when the US fought against Sadaam. "In the Arab world they would rather have 999 years of tyranny, than one year of instability." So will it change in Eygpt, the answer is with the young I suppose, better educated, perhaps they will reject the Mullahs of the radical Islamics. But it depends who has the majority of the fingers on the triggers. Sun 30 Jan 2011 12:50:45 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=77#comment221 worcesterjim, (#220. At 11:58am on 30 Jan 2011)"What is Zionism a branch of and why is Geert Wilders such a good friend of Israel? One man`s simple observation can be another man`s conspiracy theory?"Why do you ask? Sun 30 Jan 2011 12:26:48 GMT+1 BluesBerry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=76#comment220 So Egypt has a VP, a possible sucessor to President Hosni Mubarak.His name is Omar Suleiman.Actually, is not new to those who has followed American policy of renditions. Mubarak appointed Suleiman, an alternative to Mubarak’s son Gamal Mubarak. Suleiman is well-known in Washington. He is slick, fluent in English; he has served for years as the main pipeline between the United States and Mubarak. He a reputation for loyalty; he has some controversial history, especially in regards to human rights. Since 1993 Suleiman has headed the feared Egyptian General Intelligence service, which made Sulieman the CIA’s point-of-contact in Egypt; this included for purposes of renditions — that covert program that snatched alleged terror suspects from off the streets for interrogation, mostly always under brutal conditions (aka torture).Suleiman negotiated directly with top CIA officials. Every rendition was authorized at the highest levels of both the US and Egyptian intelligence. Suleiman was cognisant (if not mastermind) of every low-down, dirty, political ploy that occurred in Egypt. Supposedly, US law required the CIA to seek “assurances” from Egypt that rendered suspects wouldn’t face torture, but Suleiman’s reign at the intelligence service, walked around such assurances. Michael Scheuer - former CIA officer - who helped set up rendition, testified before Congress, even if such “assurances” were written in indelible ink, “they weren’t worth a bucket of warm spit.” This is the VP that Mubarek wants to inherit Egypt and/or: THIS IS THE VP THAT THE UNITED STATES WANTS TO INHERIT EGYPT. Sun 30 Jan 2011 12:23:30 GMT+1 worcesterjim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=76#comment219 218 What is Zionism a branch of and why is Geert Wilders such a good friend of Israel? One man`s simple observation can be another man`s conspiracy theory? Sun 30 Jan 2011 11:58:57 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=75#comment218 powermeerkat, (#217. At 11:32am on 30 Jan 2011)"... But, I don't think you'd expect me to reveal what some 3d parties told me privately they were making/are making anymore than revealing here how much you make, if you told me that privately yourself, would you now? :-)"So the claim that "BBC journalists have moved to Al-Jazeera just to make more money," remains unfounded. Sun 30 Jan 2011 11:53:34 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=75#comment217 Stevenson, (#199. At 07:40am on 30 Jan 2011)"I'm no more scared of the "Muslim Brotherhood" than I am of the tea party ..."Are you aware that Hamas is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood? Sun 30 Jan 2011 11:44:22 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=75#comment216 Chryses wrote:powermeerkat, (#194. At 04:27am on 30 Jan 2011)... well known (former)BBC anchors/reporters like Stephen Cole, Darren Jordon, Rageh Omaar, Barbara Serra or Mark Seddon were among those who chose to join al-Jazeera ...”Do you know what was their motivation?In at least one case - yes.In case of broadcasters moving to CNN - in 3.But, I don't think you'd expect me to reveal what some 3d parties told me privately they were making/are making anymore than revealing here how much you make, if you told me that privately yourself, would you now? :-) Sun 30 Jan 2011 11:32:57 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=74#comment215 Oldloadr, (#210. At 10:06am on 30 Jan 2011)”... However, that’s not the end of the story, is it?”Hardly! Sun 30 Jan 2011 10:55:50 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=74#comment214 powermeerkat, (#194. At 04:27am on 30 Jan 2011)... well known (former)BBC anchors/reporters like Stephen Cole, Darren Jordon, Rageh Omaar, Barbara Serra or Mark Seddon were among those who chose to join al-Jazeera ...”Do you know what was their motivation? Sun 30 Jan 2011 10:52:06 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=74#comment213 Oldloadr, (#211. At 10:17am on 30 Jan 2011)”I can’t imagine what the house has against beer and bar-b-q with female form admiration and singing religious songs…”Jealousy? Sun 30 Jan 2011 10:48:10 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=73#comment212 powermeerkat, (207. At 09:49am on 30 Jan 2011)”... No wonder they don't have any Wet Burka contests in that country. :-(“Perhaps the water cannons on the streets of Cairo were trying to make up for that lack. Those Cairene are leading edge folk. Sun 30 Jan 2011 10:46:19 GMT+1 worcesterjim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=73#comment211 211 Perhaps the Moslem Brotherhood have taken charge already? Sun 30 Jan 2011 10:24:42 GMT+1 Oldloadr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=73#comment210 209. At 09:59am on 30 Jan 2011, you wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.________________________________________I can’t imagine what the house has against beer and bar-b-q with female form admiration and singing religious songs… Sun 30 Jan 2011 10:17:04 GMT+1 Oldloadr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=72#comment209 205. At 09:40am on 30 Jan 2011, worcesterjim wrote:204 The truth shall set you free...but then the chap who said that got nailed to a cross!_________________________________________________2 thoughts:1. The entire quote: John 8:32 (King James Version)"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." The truth only sits you free if you know that it (the truth) exists; ala the internet in the case of Egypt.2. Yes, he was nailed to the cross; the only perfect person to ever live by a mob of people who thought they were perfect. However, that’s not the end of the story, is it? Sun 30 Jan 2011 10:06:08 GMT+1 Oldloadr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=72#comment208 This post has been Removed Sun 30 Jan 2011 09:59:05 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=72#comment207 ref #199Stevenson wrote:I'm no more scared of the "Muslim Brotherhood" than I am of the tea party... self described party of rebellion.They are popular thru intimidation and not with real intellectual type people--they remind me of the "know nothings" of the turn of the last century..wanting to turn back time and go back before Pandora's box was opened ..to say ..the pre-renaissance period. ______________I would normaly pass this off as typical Tea Party bashing, but others also don't regard the moslem brotherhood as a terrorist group.Listenng to a liberal media source (which I do so I can answer theother sides arguments) Democracy Now a professor from Kent State insisted that the Moslem Brotherhood was a tolerant fanction.the Tea Party has not committed terrorists acts and is not racists against ethnic groups or religions as the Moslem Brotherhood is Sun 30 Jan 2011 09:54:56 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=71#comment206 Re MidEastern free media... Some newspapers in Iran retouched a photograph of EU foreign policy chief Baroness Ashton to make her outfit less revealing, an Iranian website reports.Asriran.com showed Iranian press pictures of Lady Ashton next to Iran's chief nuclear negotiator, Saeed Jalili, with her black top raised higher than in the original.Iranian papers often retouch images, a BBC Persian Service journalist says. (BBC)No wonder they don't have any Wet Burka contests in that country. :-( Sun 30 Jan 2011 09:49:17 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=71#comment205 Re #204 OldloadrThe group Anonymous has issued a warning to the U.K. government after five men suspected of having connections to the group were arrested yesterday. The group said it viewed the arrests as a "declaration of war" by the British authorities. "Anonymous believes...that pursuing this direction is a sad mistake on your behalf. Not only does it reveal the fact that you do not seem to understand the present-day political and technological reality, we also take this as a serious declaration of war from yourself, the UK government, to us, Anonymous, the people," the group said yesterday in a statement."Interesting, wouldn't ya say considering that those outfits claimed that the greatest threat to them would come from the Evil Empire (read: U.S.) with Mr. Assange having claimed that he could be assassinated by American special services.And yet he's still alive and well in an area where even the most inept operative could dispose of him if his bosses really wanted A. dead. :) Sun 30 Jan 2011 09:43:03 GMT+1 worcesterjim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=71#comment204 204 The truth shall set you free...but then the chap who said that got nailed to a cross! Sun 30 Jan 2011 09:40:21 GMT+1 Oldloadr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=70#comment203 This just in: I just saw a panel of talking heads from a network not known for being either anti-American or left-leaning (i.e. FOX) give Julian Assange at least partial credit for the events occurring in Tunisia and Egypt due to the content of his leaks. Sun 30 Jan 2011 08:59:26 GMT+1 Stevenson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=70#comment202 TY, Mark Mardell for exploring neutrally and often openly clarified issues! Sun 30 Jan 2011 07:50:48 GMT+1 Stevenson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=70#comment201 oh, I saw the best film of the decade..new decade..."Sunshine"..by Danny Boyle -- a UK director..was left drained and in awe. Sun 30 Jan 2011 07:48:15 GMT+1 Stevenson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=69#comment200 One should have standards! Sun 30 Jan 2011 07:45:39 GMT+1 Stevenson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=69#comment199 Btw, who needs friends..who are clueless..unless it's Al Jazeera's gossip showTHEY Need friends for profit..make them into a News organization instead a poli-gossip site..that will make em honest! Sun 30 Jan 2011 07:44:51 GMT+1 Stevenson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=68#comment198 I'm no more scared of the "Muslim Brotherhood" than I am of the tea party... self described party of rebellion.They are popular thru intimidation and not with real intellectual type people--they remind me of the "know nothings" of the turn of the last century..wanting to turn back time and go back before Pandora's box was opened ..to say ..the pre-renaissance period. This would highlight their proud lack of knowledge and the furthering of ignorance--that will appeal only to the few proud "know nothings." Sun 30 Jan 2011 07:40:10 GMT+1 worcesterjim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=68#comment197 By the way...Persians are really Zaroastrians...and their devotion to Islam is skin deep. Sun 30 Jan 2011 07:33:57 GMT+1 worcesterjim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=68#comment196 195 Louisiana and Milwaukee have a good point.The people who left Europe to found the USA were dissidents and revolutionaries ...well versed in the ideas that caused revolutions in Europe...and hungry for freedom.It`s just a bit ironic really that what starts well is so easily and predictably corrupted by the realities of exercising power over others.But that`s something to consider in depth...we constantly portray the poor as justly disaffected ....but if you mix with the powerful it soon becomes apparent that they struggle too.Consider for a moment how much freedom of action and autonomy a president of your nation really has? Can he paddle his own canoe? Sun 30 Jan 2011 07:28:31 GMT+1 worcesterjim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=67#comment195 193 The Israelis might not throw a party but they could pop over to Iran (I much prefer Persia as a name...it`s so biblical!)for a cup of coffee. I was reading once about a Middle East conference (where the usual posturing and polarisation was being generated by clumsy western attempts to patronise the natives into submission) and the correspondent wrote that he couldn`t understand why an Israeli and a Persian were in a corner having such an animated and apparently friendly discussion....until one of their security men explained to him that the Israeli and the Persian had grown up in the same town in Iran and knew each other well! Sun 30 Jan 2011 07:11:26 GMT+1 BienvenueEnLouisiana http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=67#comment194 MilwaukeeRay: "'....governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.' Obama should quote it in his next speech and then let the chips fall where they may."That's an excellent idea, MilwaukeeRay; it would ease America's nerves and send a clear message to the world. Can you imagine the excitement? Sun 30 Jan 2011 06:45:34 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=67#comment193 Re #147I'd like to apologize that I forgot to mention such well known an respected journalist as BBC's former Political Editor, Robin Oakley (OBE)among some of those BBC broadcasters who left for CNN.And have not mentioned that such well known (former)BBC anchors/reporters like Stephen Cole, Darren Jordon, Rageh Omaar, Barbara Serra or Mark Seddon were among those who chose to join al-Jazeera.[not that I have any respect for the latter outfit] Sun 30 Jan 2011 04:27:53 GMT+1 McJakome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=66#comment192 189. At 02:07am on 30 Jan 2011, Chryses wrote:JMM, (#182. At 00:17am on 30 Jan 2011)”My dear Chryses, you are trying to stand me on my head, but I refuse to be up-ended ...”Who? Me? "... Are you sure you have the right German, I'm more partial to Kant?”I read your position on History that it is not logical. Hegel saw it unfolding deterministically."I am afraid I have to disagree with you. Neither history nor my reading of it is illogical. History does not repeat itself, human reactions to things [within cultural norms] tend to be similar if not the same. I suppose one could call that deterministic in a flexible sense. Walk up to someone on a city street and, no matter where you are in the world, punching him in the nose will produce a fairly similar result.There is always a certain kind of logic in the reactions unless religion gets into play. A Buddhist, Hindu or real Christian might turn the other cheek, but most humans have a certain amount of aggressive potential that is pretty similar everywhere [in my experience].Gestalts [families, groups tribes and nations] are not exactly the same as individuals, but the range of actions and responses is neither infinite nor illogical nor [in a general sense] unpredictable. But, again, I would not use the word deterministic.One could call this determinist, but I think it is too general, and there are too wide a variety of possible responses to fit that category.I can't predict what, exactly, the US or Israel would do if North Korea on one hand or Iran on the other lobbed missiles into sovcereign territory, but the array of possibilities is somewhat limited [one can exclude throwing them a party, sending thanks, etc.].I also reject the very deterministic Calvinist presdestination, by the way. Sun 30 Jan 2011 04:03:15 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=66#comment191 Stevenson, (#188. At 02:03am on 30 Jan 2011)”the blog on Europe is pathetic im sorry to say about having posts removed--dare to publish this please...”Bummer! Welcome! Sun 30 Jan 2011 02:29:01 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=66#comment190 Oldloadr, (#185. At 01:33am on 30 Jan 2011)"...5. Just another mosque, but at least it's a very old building that has been kept up with, I'll give you that one ..."The Taj Mahal is a mausoleum, not a mosque. However, as you brought up the subject, the mosques of Cairo are to die for! (sorry about that, the Devil made me do it!) In order:#1. Mohamed Ali Mosque (Citadel of Saladin). It is an Ottoman style mosque in the gorgeous setting of Salah-al-din's citadel above the city. #2. Al Rifai Mosque. The burial place of the Shah of Iran and King Farouk, this mosque is like the Westminster Abbey of Cairo. I've enjoyed both, so I'm entitled to make the comparison.#3. Mosque of Ibn Tulun. The oldest mosque in Cairo, with tons of history!"...I appreciate that lots of people like to experience other cultures and I used to like that, but as I get older, every contact I have with other cultures, just makes me more proud to be American."Dude, being American rocks! It's just that being an American is only one way of being human, and the other ways are also splendid! Sun 30 Jan 2011 02:24:36 GMT+1 Stevenson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=65#comment189 I DO know 'bout "Egypt's people revolution"..its a disease that no dictator wants to catch but it spreads ..inexorably..funny thatBut, congrats to the Arab people for showing so much fortitude and courage--the only thing is...Will they feel like the "east" Europe people 10 yrs later--disillusioned..from today's euphoria?And is China next? Sun 30 Jan 2011 02:09:27 GMT+1 Chryses http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=65#comment188 JMM, (#182. At 00:17am on 30 Jan 2011)”My dear Chryses, you are trying to stand me on my head, but I refuse to be up-ended ...”Who? Me? ... Are you sure you have the right German, I'm more partial to Kant?”I read your position on History that it is not logical. Hegel saw it unfolding deterministically. He might have had this very contretemps in mind when he penned, “What experience and history teaches us is that people and governments have never learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it.” Sun 30 Jan 2011 02:07:57 GMT+1 Stevenson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/on_egypt_white_house_is_ignore.html?page=65#comment187 the blog on Europe is pathetic im sorry to say about having posts removed--dare to publish this please...Someone is going through and having every adverse opinion removed--so rejoinders or debate is impossible there.You'll will find most here instead....also, Mr. G. Hewitt posts so rarely that the blog is worthless ..to me now And i dont go there...for the above reasons...its a rare blog entry and its a few posts then closed...Why bother? Sun 30 Jan 2011 02:03:38 GMT+1