Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html en-gb 30 Fri 04 Sep 2015 11:33:21 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html McJakome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=99#comment219 207. At 07:25am on 03 Oct 2010, qmrfc67 wrote a very interesting idea.I have never stopped to analyze my own personal and family timeline before. Thinking about your question, I realized that like many people I have unknowingly simply accepted some [not all, in my case] family traditions without analysis.My maternal grandmother did not have a TV until we bought her one whaen she was in her 60's, she still preferred the old radio. The previous generations, considering the ethnic background, may very well have emphasized oral history over the technologically provided American storyline.I can't remember a time without a TV, though, because my father's family had one as early as 1950. I spent most of the past 30 years overseas, so I am able to see the US in a somewhat detached [but still patriotic] way. My narrative is not the same as those who have a different history and experience.The GOP/FOX/TEA/Palin Party may very well just be stuck in a narrative from the past, and seem to be unable to examine their beliefs and proposed sollutions rationally as a result. Sat 09 Oct 2010 17:51:25 GMT+1 dceilar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=99#comment218 JMM @218So the US and it’s people can scarcely all be painted with the same brush. Abolitionism started here and grew fierce, precipitating the Civil War [according to southerners, who rebelled because they saw their evil culture losing out].There were those who opposed mistreatment of the Native Americans, opposed the War with Spain, opposed American participation in colonialism and imperialism in the late 18th Century, and opposed Vietnam and Iraq wars as well.I agree. The only general sweeping statement that we can make about other nations is that we can't make general sweeping statements about other nations. Tue 05 Oct 2010 12:32:39 GMT+1 McJakome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=98#comment217 RE: 209. At 07:56am on 03 Oct 2010, BLUES55 I appreciate that you have adopted a less abrasive conversational tone. Your post indicates that you think I have to be persuaded that the US government has done bad and even evil things. I have known that intellectually since high school [we weren’t as indoctrinated and shallow as young people seem to be today, we even read Marx’s Manifesto-though with negative analysis]. I have known it emotionally since the Vietnam War, which I opposed vigorously. I still think Nixon should have been put on trial and faced prison time, and I would like to see Bush and the Neocons in the dock.There is a book I have been reading that is very depressing, but might give you an idea of how evil George W. Bush’s regime was [“Dissent: Voices of Conscience” by Ann Wright and Susan Dixon]. It also shows how bad the Tony Blair government was. On the other hand, it shows that not everyone in either government or military was silent or complicit. There were not, however, enough “good people” in the governments and militaries to stop the crimes.If you have read many of the posts here, you will have found that the more conservative, “my country right or wrong” American posters think I am a traitor because I believe that misadministration and crimes must be exposed, punished and prevented from happening again. One or two have suggested that I move to Europe, where I would be “more comfortable.” It is my duty as a citizen to speak out and try to oppose “high crimes and misdemeanors” in my governments. It is my country and, together with other truly patriotic and pro-Constitution citizens, it must be taken back from the ignorant and error-prone among us. However, it must be said that there have always been dissenters. In the American Revolution, the country was divided about 1/3 Patriot, 1/3 Loyalist and 1/3 “Leave me in Peace.” Every bad act was opposed throughout history. Massachusetts’ constitution was ratified on June 15, 1780, became effective on October 25, 1780, and is still in force [though much amended]. The provisions of the constitution made slavery illegal, before the US Constitution was ratified and before Massachusetts joined the US. The same provision was recently held to prohibit discrimination against homosexuals in respect to marriage.So the US and it’s people can scarcely all be painted with the same brush. Abolitionism started here and grew fierce, precipitating the Civil War [according to southerners, who rebelled because they saw their evil culture losing out]. There were those who opposed mistreatment of the Native Americans, opposed the War with Spain, opposed American participation in colonialism and imperialism in the late 18th Century, and opposed Vietnam and Iraq wars as well. Tue 05 Oct 2010 00:29:45 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=98#comment216 UK,Thanx for your link. There's just something about speciality beer. Its neat to see what one of UK's is like. I guess I was kind of curious what was popular there. It gives a feeling of Europe. That's really neat that his wife does all her own artwork on the labels- makes it superunique and fun. And the beer looks pretty good, too. For some reason, I have a guess that you are a dark ale person...? :)Right now, my very favorite is Wild Blue beer from the Blue Dawg Company of NY. Wild Blue is just, well, straight up phenomenal and I have not met a person yet who does not like it, guy or grrrl. It is awesome because it has blueberries, but it is not overly sweet. Girlie drinks are good, but overly sweet is not good for me. Everyone's tastes vary.[Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator] Mon 04 Oct 2010 21:13:44 GMT+1 McJakome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=97#comment215 207. At 07:25am on 03 Oct 2010, qmrfc67 wrote:JMM"Just how old are you?I agree with 99% of what you say but the Irish famine and the coffin ships occurred between 1845 and 1852. If your great aunt remembered them she must have been born at least 175 years ago. If you remember her telling stories either there is amazing longevity in your family or someone is telling stories."Well I am old enough to remember when Massachusetts was a swing state.As to the stories, they may have been a bit expanded on, or my memory may have been a bit off, however they did agree with what I have seen reported in the period news and in my history books.As to the source, my grandmother was born in the US in the late 1880s and it was her great aunt, a very old lady, who did the telling. And my grandmother mentioned the "Irish need not apply" job notices, though she said it wasn't very common. So I do know that the US wasn't paradise, except by comparison.The slavery issue is, to my way of thinking, the worst crime in American history. I am not belittleing what the native population suffered, but there was blood on both sides, whereas the Africans were guilty of nothing but being in the wrong place at the wrong time.I have never denied the negatives in American history, and have been criticized for being anti-American by some of the right-wing posters. Two American heroes [vis-a-vis the British] George Washington and Andrew Jackson would be considered war criminals today, especially Jackson, for what they did to the Native Americans.Washington is remembered as "Burner of Villages" by the Hotinosonih, and Jackson defied the Supreme Court in crushing the Cherokee and deporting them west on "the Trail of Tears." So, no denial, but making amends if possible is better than making new enemies. Mon 04 Oct 2010 00:58:35 GMT+1 McJakome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=97#comment214 211. At 2:28pm on 03 Oct 2010, ukwales wrote RE: 203.“I can see I was interfering insomething that had nothing to do with me,for give me,its seemed a goodidea at the time.In my defence I was on my 3ed large beer.So once againI am sorry,its a bit disconcerting that some one is reading some of myposts,but thanks.”No apologies necessary. I wouldn’t say you were interfering in any way. Sometimes an outside view can turn down the heat. “BTW never blogg & drink beer it causes misunderstanding.”I prefer a Merlot or Malbec, but sometimes gin and tonic will do. I hope that wasn’t a contributing factor to setting me off. Mon 04 Oct 2010 00:36:44 GMT+1 hms_shannon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=96#comment213 212. At 3:13pm on 03 Oct 2010, LucyJ wrote:UK, what is your favorite kind of beer, if you don't mind me asking?Do you have a local brewery? In your opinion, what is the best UK beer?Hi LucyJ,For me it has to be this local micro brewery,its Family owned & its beeris sublime.Its located about 5 miles to the north of my village in the Ancient Gwaun valley,I hope the link works,http://www.gwaunvalleybrewery.co.uk/aboutus.htm Sun 03 Oct 2010 17:23:31 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=96#comment212 210 d,So it was an Irish Civil War? I did not know that. I also have Irish in my blood, in fact my last name is Irish, so I also, feel very much love toward the Irish, especially since your last name is like your card or mark. When I win at Bingo, I always claim its due to the Irish luck! :) But since there is English, Scottish and German in my blood, as well, it is as if they are all intertwined together in my body's DNA, so I like to learn history of what happened, but I forgive my ancestors of what they did, of which I don't even know of the very past ones. But I can understand how some have hurt from the past, however, it is not wise to have hatred for another person due to their ancestor's actions... Sun 03 Oct 2010 14:28:56 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=95#comment211 211, UK,In USA, its not the blogging and drinking that will get you in trouble.Its texting and driving/or talking on cell phone and driving.Seriously, it is super-dangerous. I was almost hit yesterday 3 times by college students texting and driving and middle aged folks talking on cell phones and driving. It is cracy. Course' tis Parents Week, so that is much added traffic. ANd the students will just run out in the road in front of you at the crosswalks as well, even if the lights not lit, and they are often texting/walking, talking/walking or listening to their ipod/walking. This century's kids are superextreme multi-taskers! Lol.UK, what is your favorite kind of beer, if you don't mind me asking?Do you have a local brewery? In your opinion, what is the best UK beer?Just curious, thanx...you do not have to answer if you do not want to.That is the good thing about UK and USA...we have free will. :) Sun 03 Oct 2010 14:13:35 GMT+1 hms_shannon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=95#comment210 203. At 01:10am on 03 Oct 2010, JMM wrote:I have always read your posts with interest and respect. I hope you did not take offense. I thought I was being clear enough that I objected to the hypocracy and false parallels. I do not hate people, but their bad behaviour. I certainly do not hate the UK or Britons of any of the constituent nations or ethnic groups.---Oh no JMM,no offence was taken,I just thought,with my life's experience of living in an once occupied land, that I could bring my thoughts to a heated exchange.Now on reflection I can see I was interfering insomething that had nothing to do with me,for give me,its seemed a goodidea at the time.In my defence I was on my 3ed large beer.So once againI am sorry,its a bit disconcerting that some one is reading some of myposts,but thanks.BTW never blogg & drink beer it causes misunderstanding.Drinking & appreciating beer is an art form,that requires consummate skill & knowlage,its poetry in motion,only mastered by the Welsh... Sun 03 Oct 2010 13:28:06 GMT+1 dceilar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=94#comment209 JMM @202The British do have a lot to answer for, and that's an understatement. IMO Britain is hated in the world more than America - even other Europeans hate the Brits, however I believe that the feeling is mutual. Historically IMO it stems from a mutual dislike of those in the same trade - Imperialism.It's all about Europeans killing or exploiting those that they feel are 'inferior'. God and religion is used as a justification. Nazism IMO is the result of Germany being unable to create an Imperial Empire of its own. Germany as a nation only came into existence in 1871 so it was far too late for the European global land grab.We have to be vigilant about people trying to gloss over their country's imperial and violent past. Being from Irish stock myself I know full well of Ireland's history after it won independence from the British. A very violent civil war between neighbour and neighbour, friend against friend, brother against brother, and father against son. Many Irish immigrated to flee from this too - I know my great grandmother did. Sun 03 Oct 2010 08:30:50 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=94#comment208 ok JMM here is some fresh American criminality abroad, breaking news, Guatemalean mental health patients were deliberately given syphilis and other diseases, Obama has apologized, it happened in the forties, like i said earlier those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it. Sun 03 Oct 2010 06:56:32 GMT+1 qmrfc67 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=94#comment207 JMMI should have said "IS, or WAS, telling stories" Apologies to you on that. Embellishing the past is common among old folks and remember the Irish definition of a writer is a failed talker. Sun 03 Oct 2010 06:44:15 GMT+1 qmrfc67 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=93#comment206 JMMJust how old are you?I agree with 99% of what you say but the Irish famine and the coffin ships occurred between 1845 and 1852. If your great aunt remembered them she must have been born at least 175 years ago. If you remember her telling stories either there is amazing longevity in your family or someone is telling stories. Sun 03 Oct 2010 06:25:30 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=93#comment205 also it is entirely possible the potato famine was engineered and did you know the english had portable gallows teams roaming Ireland? Sun 03 Oct 2010 06:16:25 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=92#comment204 oh i have examined and broken through my 'National Conditioning' and have observed first hand the effects of English superiority, firstly in East London where i was born and secondly in Australia with the alienation of the Aborigines still going on apace, the attitude of the Aussies is akin to the noble savage cliche the Victorians were using to calm their consciousness, i dont see it all as a two dimensional game. and i prefer to play hardball so to speak, flowery hippie cliches do not amuse me. Sun 03 Oct 2010 06:14:41 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=92#comment203 Ok, but you must understand that England is not actively using Hundreds of thousands of troops NOW to expand its Empire the way the usa is, or the huge levels of collateral damage that is just a figure of speech to most of you in the usa, also you are nice and safe behind your nukes and stuff whereas europe has a much more immediate problem of islamic retribution, Arabs who have pulled their dead children from the rubble after a near miss by some drone are not ever going to see this your way, it is the here and now that i am tracing, not about the past i used provocative metaphors expressly to provoke different thoughts about todays nightmare, you are not interested in changing your view of your nations involvement in the slaughter of millions, which is your right, and yes the Welsh are pissed, burning absent landlord houses has been a popular sport for a long while, saving their language is another thing, i really like cultural diversity, also i am not sure what all of Englands flag placing and murdering has done for me, i am lower working class, when they cant feed us they give us a uniform and a gun then march us off to our early death, i belong to the class that has suffered the most for the least, i hope your Welsh Rugby team does well, i live in an area called Bondi, there are lots of Maoris here, All Black Fanatics, and maybe the geneticists will identify and eliminate the Greed and Hate genes. (Joke) Sun 03 Oct 2010 06:02:52 GMT+1 McJakome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=91#comment202 196. At 11:04pm on 02 Oct 2010, ukwales wrote:"As a Welshman who`s land was over run by the English,I say,look for the good in each other,lean your history,look for the good in each other.Come5 nations rugby,we will take over revenge.Life is too short to hate,its Saturday evening & we should all be drinking beer."I have always read your posts with interest and respect. I hope you did not take offense. I thought I was being clear enough that I objected to the hypocracy and false parallels. I do not hate people, but their bad behaviour. I certainly do not hate the UK or Britons of any of the constituent nations or ethnic groups.Homo sapiens sapiens is a pretty violent and hateful species. Hate, as you pointed out, is one of the species uglies characteristics, that has to be overcome by looking for the good in the other and acknowledging ones own errors. Hate is kept alive by reliving the past, especially in a way that demonizes ones enemies while minimizing one's own transgressions.Have a good pint [or two] and good luck to your team. Sun 03 Oct 2010 00:10:01 GMT+1 McJakome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=91#comment201 194. At 6:46pm on 02 Oct 2010, dceilarMy purpose was not to attack the English or British, nor to defend the expropriation of the Native American's property. My purpose was to point out the folly of pointing the finger at others when there are plenty of skeletons in one's own closet.The original insult was that we [Americans] were worse than the Nazis. To the best of my knowledge there was never an organized and coordinated plan to rid the continent of the Native Americans at all comparable with that of the Nazis. This comment was deliberately offensive and insulting as well as both an exaggeration of what happened in America and a trivialization of what the Nazis did.The selling of infected blankets was real, and I did not try to deny it, I even mentioned the selling of "fire water" to the Native Americans as a further form of abuse. I could have mentioned that both the British and French promoted inter tribal warfare and occasionally Native American attacks on the white settlers [of the other power]. The making and breaking of treaties was also real and also indefensible. Inexcusable things were done in North America. I neither deny nor excuse them; what I did was to take firm exception to hypocritically casting blame at others by defective historical reference. The majority of my family arrived via the “coffin ships.” While I do not blame the current population of the UK, neither do I accept that the victims of British imperialism can be callously accused of being “worse than Nazis” for what happened more than a century before their arrival.More to the point, I may have come across as anti English, but I am not. My grandmother married into a family of English and German immigrants, the former are known to have been here by the 1750's. No one in my family, to my knowledge supported the IRA. Blaming the innocent in this age for crimes committed by their forbears is unacceptable. That is another reason for my ire, blaming the innocent and the victim. Sat 02 Oct 2010 23:58:38 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=90#comment200 196, aye, aye, Captain. Sounds like the best way to get through life...humor, music, sports, friends and family...Things that happened in the past did happen in the past.So why beat ourselves up about history?Time passes, isn't time supposed to heal all wounds?(or something like that?) Sat 02 Oct 2010 23:54:24 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=90#comment199 How come the jewish saying, kill a turk and then rest is allowed and kill a muslim and drink beer isnt? its better to say things as the process unfold then to say things about the process from a safe distance from future...It would have been better if the guatemalians were told the experiment done by americans on them while it was going on rather than to declassify it now that 50 yrs have passed...Now, all they get is an apology...It would have been way better if the jews were held back in europe after the threat to them was removed, and just offered an apology after 30 yrs..that would have been in somehere in 1980s... Sat 02 Oct 2010 23:11:05 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=89#comment198 As a Welshman who`s land was over run by the English,-------------------------------------------------------------------------They not only overan your country, but they put the royal heir on it as well...Queen of england, prince of wales...Either the walish were more resistent then scotish and the north irish that they had to be taught the ultimate lesson, or they were too weak to put up with resistent.. Sat 02 Oct 2010 22:45:25 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=89#comment197 Have you ever seen people dying of starvation, Englishman? -------------------------------------------------------------------------People have seen that many times...remember the ethiopia famine? or that of Niger? Have you seen people eating grass for their survival? The yellow parcels dropped along with bombs in afghanistan werent dropped for nothing...First they made the afghanistanis eat grass and then dropped on them protein ladden food...Have you ever seen what happened to a body when it from the brink of starvation eats such diet? Sat 02 Oct 2010 22:40:52 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=89#comment196 This post has been Removed Sat 02 Oct 2010 22:36:17 GMT+1 hms_shannon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=88#comment195 As a Welshman who`s land was over run by the English,I say,look for the good in each other,lean your history,look for the good in each other.Come5 nations rugby,we will take over revenge.Life is too short to hate,its Saturday evening & we should all be drinking beer.. Sat 02 Oct 2010 22:04:31 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=88#comment194 This post has been Removed Sat 02 Oct 2010 21:05:22 GMT+1 dceilar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=87#comment193 There are and were many Englishman who opposed colonialism. There are and were many Americans who opposed colonialism. The USA is not a beacon of anti-colonialism - far from it. She too has much blood on her hands. George Washington called the USA as an 'infant empire'. Even Jefferson predicted that the 'superior' anglo-saxons would take over both North and South America by force (luckily he was proved wrong). What Britain did to Ireland was Imperialism plain and simple. What American settlers did to the native inhabitants was also Imperialism. American right wingers argue that it wasn't Imperialism on the simple grounds that the settlers did not cross salt water! But the result was the same (and the settlers knew very well what they doing).Was the Irish Famine a holocaust? Compared to the Black Holocaust and the Jewish Extermination, I would say No. The USA came as it is today because of settler-colonialism (just like Israel today) which is a nasty type of colonialism because it wipes out or forcibly moves the native inhabitants. Colonialism is a particularly vile European attitude of a superiority complex.BTW - the Romans also fought the picts and the Celts, and the saxons came from Germany who were themselves superseded by the Normans from France via the vikings. The English are a bunch of mongrels who would be expelled from any human pedigree show. Sat 02 Oct 2010 17:46:34 GMT+1 McJakome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=87#comment192 You are a piece of work Englishman! When I was a boy I spent a lot of time with my great aunt. She told me, in her soft, sad Cork brogue about watching her family, friends and neighbors starving to death in Ireland. She came over on one of the “coffin ships,” so called because of the many who died at sea. She saw relatives, friends and neighbors wasting away, dying from hunger or the diseases of the malnourished. She saw their bodies dumped overboard with the garbage.Have you ever seen people dying of starvation, Englishman? You could look at the pictures taken at Auschwitz, Dachau and other places if you want to see what it is like.But it wasn’t Nazi Germans who were responsible for the Irish holocaust, was it Englishman? It was your people, Englishman, who pushed them off their land, pushed them into the wasteland, let them starve or try to escape on the “coffin ships.”So you needn’t search the 17th and 18th century for individual American criminals when you could find plenty at home, and possibly in your own family, as recently as the late 19th Century. What was the lovely English joke that “if the Irish are hungry they could always eat their babies?” And you have the unmitigated gall to point the finger at Americans, Englishman! And you claim not to understand why I might take offense at your calling my people, the victims of your people’s genocide, worse than Nazis. And you are unable to understand why those survivors and their children could send money to the IRA! You should be very ashamed, Englishman.You seem to be asking me to forget the past, while you dredge up past crimes of others to support your ideological rants. Your people's crimes should be forgotten, while everyone else's are kept fresh. You are worse than an English MAII, and I won't waste any more time on you. Sat 02 Oct 2010 15:18:12 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=86#comment191 Sounds like you got the blues...or maybe are black and blue?I prefer the wine Black and Blue myself to actually being black and blue.One of my favorite drinks is blueberry beer, called Wild Blue,from New York. Definitely one of the best beers ever created ! ;) Sat 02 Oct 2010 15:00:54 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=86#comment190 sure the angles beat the picts but i doubt they used smallpox to do so, i suppose four million dead vietnamese is another insult to you, again you have refused to answer the jeffrey amherst question, America is famous for death not life, its almost like its a wierd civil war going on there, nearly 12 thousand folk a year are murdered with guns alone, let alone all the other forms of death dealing, the words Ostrich Syndrome spring to mind with your useless diatribes, your appeal to the mods is just hilarious. Sat 02 Oct 2010 05:21:25 GMT+1 McJakome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=85#comment189 189. At 01:29am on 01 Oct 2010, BLUES55 wrote: "you have avoided the facts i was using and have raved on about some emotional or attitudinal aspect that has no real relevance, a subtle form of denial."Insults are not facts. You profess to not understand why I might be insulted at you suggesting that some of my ancestors were "worse than Nazis." Well do you understand it when it is reversed:Your people wiped out the Picts, ethnically cleansed what is now England of Picts and Celts, and enslaved and caused the deaths of many Irish people. Members of my family arrived in the US on "coffin ships." many died trying, and that is almost within living memory.You must know more about haulocausts because your lot were at it much more recently than mine.Well do you get it yet? Or do you think other people have to take your insults on top of the crimes you own because your ancestors committed them? And if your ancestor's crimes do not come down to you, why do you think I should own crimes that happened before most of my people arrived in America? If you can not or will not answer my objections to your outrageous accusations, why should I answer yours?Moderators, I am attempting to show this individual the error of his ways by reversing the insults he feels comfortable spewing. Never-the-less I am referring to real historical events. Fri 01 Oct 2010 20:34:36 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=85#comment188 you have avoided the facts i was using and have raved on about some emotional or attitudinal aspect that has no real relevance, a subtle form of denial. Fri 01 Oct 2010 00:29:05 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=85#comment187 have you googled Jeffrey Amherst yet? Thu 30 Sep 2010 23:36:12 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=84#comment186 so you are saying the genocide of the Native folk did not happen then? the truth is simple, your semantics illuminate nothing. Thu 30 Sep 2010 23:35:02 GMT+1 McJakome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=84#comment185 183. At 03:46am on 29 Sep 2010, BLUES55 wrote:"Oh by the way i am not an Australian, i am English i migrated, being a Pommy migrant has given me an insight into racist attitudes, as well as an extreme contempt of the suave semantics that are used to avoid dealing with this issue."Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you by calling you an Aussie. I am sure you didn't mean to offend the Native Americans [First Nations in Canada] by calling them Indians, either.I was, however offended by the implication that my ancestors were worse than Nazis. Yours, of course, did not liquidate the Picts or Celts, or cause the famine in Ireland, or any of the other historical ethnic cleansings I have read about, right? Historical analogy is fraught.Frankly, we are all descendants of aggressive, violent cannibals, whether or not painted blue. There were people that did as you related, selling infected blankets to the natives, selling them "fire water" that they were more susceptible to, etc. The comparison to Nazis, was, however, over the top and quite inexcusable. The Nazis had a carefully planned, coordinated and efficient national extermination policy directed at people who were totally innocent.There was no such grand plan to eliminate the native polulation of North America. The natives were not the pacifists you seem to believe, either. There were wars [read up on King Philip's War] and the atrocities were not all on one side.You should also be aware that the settlers believed that they were buying land from the owners, the "owners" did not have the notion of land ownership and tried to repossess it [that is where the expression "indiangiver"] comes from. That is also where a good deal of the hostility came from, and with every mistake there was more blood and more hate.You were overly simplistic. I took great offense and was overly hostile in my reply. I hope you will think about the calmer and more rational note here. I do not believe in censorship, and have never "referred" another post. I was only pointing out that the BBC is known to be fair, and was suggesting that fairness could be applied in two ways. Thu 30 Sep 2010 01:31:38 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=83#comment184 Its time for Americans to take off their John Wayne masks and jump off their high horses. Wed 29 Sep 2010 04:09:40 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=83#comment183 i also take offence at your labeling my post as 'a anti us rant' i provided real info for the use of anyone to ascertain the truth of my post, you can pretend that America is a Sacred Cow, but expecting others to just follow blindly is vain, what fuels my angst about America is that far from making this world a safer happier place to live in America has made it the exact opposite, if you dont like the BBC go back to your Fuxtel. Wed 29 Sep 2010 02:54:55 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=82#comment182 Oh by the way i am not an Australian, i am English i migrated, being a Pommy migrant has given me an insight into racist attitudes, as well as an extreme contempt of the suave semantics that are used to avoid dealing with this issue. Wed 29 Sep 2010 02:46:04 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=82#comment181 @181 JMMyou can remove a post from this site, no problem, of course that does not change the past, i put a name to the genocide, google Jeffrey Amhersts name, i am not making this up to upset you, also smallpox was used against the Aborigines, apparently two of the dudes who used it in America were on a boat with the smallpox on the ships manifesto, to be used ostensibly as vaccine, 'those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it', thats an Orwell quote. Wed 29 Sep 2010 02:43:09 GMT+1 McJakome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=81#comment180 I object to number 180 being removed, that is foul play.An Australian accused the US of genocide against the natives.My suggestion that Aussies should not be pointing the finger in that particular topic is removed.That is hardly fair play. It denies that what happened to the indigenous population of the US also happened to the indigenous population in Australia [a cover up, or sensitive Aussie censor perhaps?].This is not up to BBC standards of fair play. At the very least the anti-US rant about genocide [164. At 07:57am on 26 Sep 2010, BLUES55] should also be removed. Wed 29 Sep 2010 00:38:22 GMT+1 McJakome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=81#comment179 This post has been Removed Mon 27 Sep 2010 22:44:27 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=80#comment178 Marbles,Joy is in experiencing love, life and nature.You can watch tv shows and movies, get on the internet, etc., but really experiencing love, life and nature is outside of the box.It is easy to get down from watching the news, the reports about the awful and difficult things happening in the world which are hard to fix, uneasy to solve and that we seem to get blamed for, no matter what.To bring onself back up, I suggest doing what it is that you love to do.I am sure you know what I am saying. Every person on Earth has something they are good at, a talent or art of some sort.Whether it is drawing, writing, creating, performing, etc., etc., etc., life will make you happiest when you are doing what you love,what frees your mind and clears your conscience, what challenges you to be the very best you can be and at the same time, releases your inner inhibitions to where you are free-fallin' and free-floatin'.If you do not take time out to enjoy life, it can easily pass you by.Not one of us knows how long we will live, we do not know what will happen and so we should make the best of our opportunities in life. If it does not feel like any are coming your way, make new ones.Every person has the right to define who they want to be in their heart and soul and no one can take that away from you.Life is a gift. Mon 27 Sep 2010 16:04:05 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=80#comment177 Hey allmymarbles go and find a puddle, take your shoes off and splash in it, best to do it on a busy street, real joy. Mon 27 Sep 2010 08:39:21 GMT+1 KScurmudgeon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=80#comment176 176. At 03:41am on 27 Sep 2010, allmymarbles wrote:"And I am also tired of hearing how many of us are going to get breast cancer, the danger of second-hand smoke, Fourth of July death statistics, and on and on.... Notice how it all has to do with death?What ever happened to joy?"Hello, MarblesI took my mother and spent the last four days with my daughter's family in Texas. They are doing very well, thank you - my son-in-law is busier than ever laying out commercial developments in north Texas. Grand-daughter started her first year in high school - We saw a Texas HS football game, and later that night she played her cello for GGma and me. The two-year old grandson is a perfect delight and reward.Momma is eighty-three, and we had a good long visit on the road, recounting the progress and joys of our family across the six generations she remembers.Not everything is politics, and even death can be a blessed, accepted part of our existence. This moment should not be able to demand that we attend to its urgencies.KScurmudgeon Mon 27 Sep 2010 05:40:47 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=79#comment175 And I am also tired of hearing how many of us are going to get breast cancer, the danger of second-hand smoke, Fourth of July death statistics, and on and on.... Notice how it all has to do with death?What ever happened to joy? Mon 27 Sep 2010 02:41:53 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=79#comment174 172, powermeerkat. "9-11 happened 9 long years ago. It's over it's time to let it go now. "You took exception to this, but I understand what the writer is saying. All we do, fueled by the media, is promote grief and sorrow as a positive good, a sort of virtue. I am fed up with it. I am tired of memorials. Tired of 9/11. Tired of the holocaust. Tired of the Inquisition. The rest of you can weep and moan. I celebrate life, not death. Mon 27 Sep 2010 02:32:51 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=78#comment173 @173Japan' military leadership was ready to embody the concept of the 'shattered jewel' and sacrifice the nation to make allied invasion a pyrrhic victory, they were not ready to capitulate summer-fall 1945. The shock of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (may that never be repeated anywhere!) cut through the propogandized militarist rule. Granted there was also a certain predestiny to using the bombs having gone to such extraordinary lengths to make them, even after victory in Europe.This was Americas big step towards global domination, subsequent employment of the power this gave the usa by tyrants like Nixon etc to exploit weaker nations like most of south america for example have lead the world to this mad moment, now the facade that America is concerned about global peace is being pulled down, America's economy is dependent on its arms industry, trading second hand junk for forests and mines is a big part of its economic survival, thats why they like divisive despots as leaders of other countries, so they are dependent on the junk to keep them safe in their castle, peace would be a disaster for America. Mon 27 Sep 2010 00:23:54 GMT+1 turningblueandgrey http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=78#comment172 A few replies:The sad history of Native Americans post-Columbus has more years of European-Native conquest and conflict (and occasions of amity) than the duration of American (USA)-Native American relations. On this topic I'd have to agree with how I'd imagine MAII would reply.Japan' military leadership was ready to embody the concept of the 'shattered jewel' and sacrifice the nation to make allied invasion a pyrrhic victory, they were not ready to capitulate summer-fall 1945. The shock of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (may that never be repeated anywhere!) cut through the propogandized militarist rule. Granted there was also a certain predestiny to using the bombs having gone to such extraordinary lengths to make them, even after victory in Europe.I knew WTC 7 was heavily damaged. MAII explained its own fire. What about the added effects of seismic damage to a smaller building like WTC 7, located so close to the twin towers's collapse?Whether the Shah was more good or bad on the balance, his departure gave America a number of bright, good and patriotic Iranian-Americans I've met in technical roles from engineering to steelworking to clerical jobs. The controversial sale of F-14 'top gun' Tomcats to Iran under the Shah seems more defensible in hindsight than the latest deal with Saudi Arabia for F-15s and other new weapons, which is a pennies on the dollar payback for our foreign oil costs... Sun 26 Sep 2010 19:59:41 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=77#comment171 "9-11 happened 9 long years ago.It's over it's time to let it go now. "Except a similar atempt was made to repeat such an attack over Los Angeles couple of years later.[thwarted in a bud by US security srvices]"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" Sun 26 Sep 2010 09:33:43 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=77#comment170 68. powermeerkat:"it's about as absurd as Pan Am 101 being blown up"Andrea: Right. Because PanAm 101 was never blown up.Correct: PanAm 103 was,: by Libyan agents acting as proxies for our friendly ayatollahs. Sun 26 Sep 2010 09:30:39 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=76#comment169 Re #65 MAII: "It is naive to think that many if not most Iranians regardless of how they feel about their present government don't feel Iran has a right to manufacture and possess nuclear weapons."Grant you that: it's a question of national pride.Here's wondering though, how much of that pride remains after not much of the ayalollahs' nuclear infrastructre remains. [Perhaps not even thanks to USAF; IAF may beat us to a puch bowl] Sun 26 Sep 2010 09:28:12 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=76#comment168 @167 allmymarblesyes it is ultimately the public service that has the power, also the media has a lot to do with folks perceptions, like the lady who told Mcain that Obama is a Arab, absolutely hallucinating, to me that was a turning point in that election, anyone could see the woman was totally possessed by the media and would not want to appear the same. Sun 26 Sep 2010 08:16:16 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=75#comment167 166, BLUES555.Many felt the towers were cheaply constructed, fragile buildings and I, like many others, did not like being in them. I never felt that way about the Empire State Building or the Chrysler Building.I did miss that you were talking about WTC7 only. I have not heard any gossip about that, but will put my ear to the ground. Sun 26 Sep 2010 08:01:21 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=75#comment166 158, Lucy3."In USA, we have the right to vote for free elections, which means we have the power to shape our destiny.If that's not awesome, I don't know what is."What kind of free elections do we have if our candidates are the product of an increasingly corrupt political system? You saw how Obama's promise to do away with lobbyists came to naught. They pay off Congress. Even if you are lucky enough to elect an honest man, the system will defeat him. Sun 26 Sep 2010 07:53:22 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=75#comment165 i have been posting about WTC 7 not the towers, please reread my argument with MarcusAureliusII, regarding this issue, if i have an alternative theory it is that maybe these buildings are designed to fall down straight, with maybe some help that is not mentioned, i dont know. Sun 26 Sep 2010 07:51:29 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=74#comment164 147, SaintDominick; 149, BLUES55.There is no doubt in my mind that the towers were destroyed by terrorists. Not only was the attack a logical expression of their anger, but also there has never been any credible rumor that supports a conspiracy. It is not possible for the number of people who would have been involved to keep such a secret. By the way, I saw the towers go down and knew many New Yorkers in the know. Not a murmur of anything other than what it was. Sun 26 Sep 2010 07:43:31 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=74#comment163 Actually if you factor in the genocide of the Native Indians which is reckoned to be in the vicinity of 100million the Americans are probably the most prolific takers of life this planet has seen, way beyond the Nazis, poor Indians, smallpox in blankets was very effective. Google Jeffrey Amhersts name for more info. Also the Japenese were only a threat to themselves when the bombs were dropped on millions of innocents, they could not get a plane in the air or a ship to sea, they were well beaten, pamphlets could probably have worked, did not nuke berlin. Sun 26 Sep 2010 06:57:45 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=73#comment162 So if you just ignore the negatives they will go away, wow you call that awareness do you? thats all you get from me, you are just trolling Sun 26 Sep 2010 04:11:08 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=73#comment161 Blues,If the American Empire was fading away fast, we would not still be the number one creator of cutting edge awesome technology...Yes, other countries have neat inventions, too, but give USA creit, too for the future. We still have many, many great inventions that are being invented every day, simply because we love to create...example:http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/chinausitinternettelecomcompanyappleYou are looking for the negative and discarding the positive, so negative is what you will find. You give us a chance and you will see lots of wonderful, good things happening all over. USA is still rockin' it out with techonology and we know it will be a large part of the future, so expect many more great American inventions. :) Sat 25 Sep 2010 22:35:25 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=72#comment160 Ask yourself why have we held back when we could easily have taken over the world? Simple. We didn't want to.what rubbish, your country has attacked more other countries in its quest for global supremacy than the rest put together, the american empire is fading fast. Sat 25 Sep 2010 21:07:14 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=72#comment159 Lucy you are in total denial, your country has the highest murder rate by like 500 percent, you have all just been conned in a big money trick, folk losing houses faster than anywhere else, your country has killed more innocent folk overseas than anyone other than the nazis, your blinkered nationalism is just a joke, the days of america being the envy of the world are over, i live in Australia we have a great health care system better weather all sorts of stuff, i suppose you see your personal attack on me as a patriotic gesture ordained by god, lol, the fact that you have lots of bombs keeps most of you broke, worse still slaves to debt, like i said your country is in free fall, chicago cant afford garbage removal. Sat 25 Sep 2010 21:03:43 GMT+1 qmrfc67 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=71#comment158 May you always keep your "Heart of Gold"! Great song by Neil Young, Sat 25 Sep 2010 20:10:54 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=71#comment157 qm,The world is what we make of it. If you bring negativity, you will likely get negativity. If you bring positivity, you will likely get positivity. But are some luckier than others? Yes...In USA, we have the right to vote for free elections, which means we have the power to shape our destiny.If that's not awesome, I don't know what is.When it comes down to it, there still is hope, as long as we have fight left in us and don't give up our heart of gold... Sat 25 Sep 2010 19:22:36 GMT+1 qmrfc67 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=70#comment156 I love Lucy!Your innocence is wonderful. I mean that sincerely.Sadly the world is a far more sinister and cynical place than your youth has yet seen.There is blood on all of our hands Lucy (some more than others) and Oz is just a fairy tail, but you get my vote to be our Glinda!May your days be long and filled with peace and love. Sat 25 Sep 2010 17:39:03 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=70#comment155 This post has been Removed Sat 25 Sep 2010 16:02:27 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=70#comment154 Norman,Your in the Ghetto statement makes me think of a good Elvis tune, also called In the Ghetto. Ever heard of it? Great song. I love Elvis. :) Sat 25 Sep 2010 15:48:05 GMT+1 U14613024 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=69#comment153 @153But the US shot themselves in the foot as the country's economy is down the pan.. (unless you believe issuers of the dodgy collatarised MBS instruments [squared] scammed people and moved their money into offshore accounts out of US jurisdiction). Sat 25 Sep 2010 15:22:06 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=69#comment152 American financial desperation is easily seen in what is the biggest money con since the french stole the gold from its own people, the subprime trip, just print more then lend it to folk who cannot afford to pay it back, great new con from the king of cons the central bank, money for nothing, a massive house of cards blowing in the breeze, social disaster guaranteed, still i guess the prison industry will get a real boost. Sat 25 Sep 2010 14:57:33 GMT+1 U14613024 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=68#comment151 In the ghetto people need a miracleLove and hope is missingIt bring dread house jail house and prisonSo who have ears we want you to listenYou can't dead to receive jah jah blessingWe no want you hitch up with a slack con mental Sat 25 Sep 2010 13:21:30 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=68#comment150 @147i was talking about WTC 7 not the twin towers, which was not hit. Sat 25 Sep 2010 13:20:29 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=67#comment149 This post has been Removed Sat 25 Sep 2010 12:49:47 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=67#comment148 Blueass, I'm an engineer,using cheap shots like disfiguring my name in an attempt to unsettle me is a real indication of your intellect.your suppositions are paper thin, i suppose the people who designed the installation of your fantasy diesel storage never bothered with worst case scenarios and containment in emergency, you make me laugh, no wonder you attract the ridicule you do, you expect folk to suspend their own grey matter and just use yours, you are in total denial, your name suggests some sort of superiority complex, so take your delusional rubbish and stick it. A real example of American Delusional Dysfunctional Syndrome Sat 25 Sep 2010 12:46:16 GMT+1 U14613024 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=66#comment147 The system is terribleBabylon we demand ambitionBut the people them horribleThe system is horribleEvery mickle make a muckelThrough the struggle We mostly have to hustlehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMmP0PUuYVI Sat 25 Sep 2010 12:23:33 GMT+1 SaintDominick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=66#comment146 Ref 138, BluessThe strength of materials can be affected by intense heat as well as a severe impact by an object that weakens or alters the integrity of its design.If you believe the collapse of the Twin Towers was cause by a domestic conspirators go for it, I prefer to believe what I saw time and again when two large planes filled with fuel crashed into the towers; and I don't doubt the sincerity of the claims made by the Al Qaeda leadership when they took credit for their nefarious deed. Sat 25 Sep 2010 12:13:37 GMT+1 U14613024 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=65#comment145 99. At 5:29pm on 24 Sep 2010, BuckyOHare wrote:MAII @ 78Wow - lumping Europeans in the same bracket as "most moslems" when refering to our (europeans) ability to have respect for those with alternative views to those we ourselves hold.......I actually agreed with many of your posts on this particular thread until you resorted to your usual anti-european vitriol.I wonder why we (the UK) even bother defending you (the US) to our less friendly European counterparts, partaking in your illegal wars, or assisting you in the retribution you saught to dish out following 9/11 resulting in the deaths of 100's of our servicemen.I'm very pro-US (although sometimes your posts make me question that) and it honestly pains me to think that others stateside share the same blinkered views as you regarding your allies and partners. Shocking.=======================================================BuckyOHare you're making the understandable mistake that Marcus' hate represents a particular group - Americans bloggers disowned him claiming Marcus is an Israeli / Russian spy- New Jersey and New Yorkers say Marcus definitely ain't one of them- 99.9999% of Caucasians are well embarrassed by Marcus rantsHe's just a sad individual without social skills who should be put back in Rikers Island..Cocoa Tea - Rikers Islandhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-7cfiGes6Q Sat 25 Sep 2010 11:34:17 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=65#comment144 abnormal the grumbler;"9-11 Epilogue 9-11 happened 9 long years ago.It's over it's time to let it go now."The war between the civilized world and moslem terrorists has barely begun. This war could last a hundred years or more. All we've seen so far are the opening shots. Sooner or later our side will begin to use the means at its disposal to fight back in ernest. The terrorists will give us no choice. One of the casualties may be the US Constitution. If that does not bring the American public secuirty, it will be discarded for something far more draconian that will. Sat 25 Sep 2010 11:13:07 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=65#comment143 Blieass:"And i suppose the ensuing diesel fire was so evenly spread out that all the supporting columns all collapsed in exactly the right series so as to bring the building down in exactly the right way, no chaos theory in your answer, but i guess thats just the law of improbability.""and how come your diesel fire theory has not been made public before?"Blueass, I'm an engineer, you clearly are not. Liquid has a tendency to spread out uniformly in all directions on a flat surface at it continues to flow from its soruce even when it sustaining a fire. Steel is an excellent conductor of heat. Over an extended period of hours it is entirely plausible to me that as the liquid spread and the entire superstructure got progressively hotter, it weakened throughout the floor where the fire was. Once the first column failed, the rest would have likely failed in rapid succession each one incapable of sustaining progressiely more weight from above it.I found the information on the internet. If you were intersted in the technical explanation of the structural failure mode after forensic analysis instead of anti-American propaganda, you might have found it too. abnormal the grumbler;"Marcus don't bother plagiarising somebody else's rebuttal sounding like you know it all when you don't"You on the other hand having plagerized other people's propaganda and lies have me firmly convinced that you yourself know absolutely nothing. Sat 25 Sep 2010 11:08:47 GMT+1 U14613024 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=64#comment142 Marcus don't bother plagiarising somebody else's rebuttal sounding like you know it all when you don't Sat 25 Sep 2010 08:49:16 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=64#comment141 94, dcellar.You are quite wrong about life under the Shah. One, it was not a police state. Two, the cultural and economic progress was incredibly rapid. The problem was that the Shah was getting tired of getting his instructions from Washington and was trying to develop more independence for his nation. As for the people rising up and throwing him out. Hah. Pull the other leg. It was us, dear dcellar, it was us. Sat 25 Sep 2010 06:47:50 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=63#comment140 50, Interestedforeigner.I am so glad you enjoyed "Hajji Baba of Isfahan." The book is so remarkable that Iranians would not believe it was written by an Englishman. The people and their spirit has not changed, and were you to go to Iran today, you would meet people you already knew. Sat 25 Sep 2010 06:34:01 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=63#comment139 126, Norman the Gambler.I am not so sure that America wants to go to war with Iran. We might just want to strangle her economically. We have practice doing that. Didn't we impoverish Iraq before we invaded and "freed" it? But a land war in Iran would be foolhardy given the terrain and the tendency for the country to fragment in time of crisis. In any case we will be holed up in Afghanistan for who knows how long. Well, until we give up, that is, because it is not going to go the other way. Sat 25 Sep 2010 06:19:17 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=62#comment138 137, BLUES55.We are lonely voices, Blue. Sat 25 Sep 2010 05:59:30 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=62#comment137 "Hair brained conspiracy theories which make no real sense to an engineer don't interest me."well as an engineer myself i would suggest that if your assumption is true then the end of the building housing the diesel would have collapsed earlier, not at the same time, also the current trend of pseudo intellectual condemnation of 'conspiracy theories' is a thin veneer for the ignorance is bliss brigade and points to an abject refusal to peruse the alternative possibilities, very Orwellian and bourgeois. Sat 25 Sep 2010 05:55:11 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=61#comment136 exactly the truth allmymarbles, more of the same, America is suffering from mass stockholm syndrome. As to the human cost, since when are politicians concerned with that triviality? Awful Irony Sat 25 Sep 2010 05:26:26 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=61#comment135 131, BLUES55."With all the experts here i would like to ask the question that is the world a safer happier place since the American military launched there attacks on terrorists and has the human cost been worth it?"We are not safer because the reason for the terrorist attacks was never addressed. The anger that precipitated them has to do with out colonial policy. So what did we do? We took over one country and are trying to take over another one. (Good luck on Afghanistan, by the way. You don't understand the Afghans.)As to the human cost, since when are politicians concerned with that triviality? Sat 25 Sep 2010 04:27:22 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=60#comment134 and how come your diesel fire theory has not been made public before? Sat 25 Sep 2010 04:21:15 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=60#comment133 At 03:13am on 25 Sep 2010, MarcusAureliusII wrote:abnormal the grumbler;And i suppose the ensuing diesel fire was so evenly spread out that all the supporting columns all collapsed in exactly the right series so as to bring the building down in exactly the right way, no chaos theory in your answer, but i guess thats just the law of improbability. Sat 25 Sep 2010 03:02:47 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=59#comment132 abnormal the grumbler;"Marcus thank you for your rationale explaining away the official story re:9/11 but could you care to also explain the mystery of WTC7 and how it vaporised and turned to dust"It did not vaporize, it collapsed many hours after the twin towers. I researched it quite by accident about two years ago studying the danger of underground diesel fuel storage tanks used for backup electrical generators for a project I was working on. One very plausible theory has it that the fire which ultimately weakened the steel superstructure of WTC7 resulted from diesel fuel which leaked from broken fuel lines for hours causing the fuel to spill out and set ablaze. Even other engineers in my office were surprised that diesel fuel can ignite the way gasoline does from an air vapor mixture above the liquid. This has led the NYC fire department to revisit regulations regarding fuel storage for generators in high rise buildings. Hair brained conspiracy theories which make no real sense to an engineer don't interest me. Sat 25 Sep 2010 02:13:06 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=59#comment131 BuckyODuck;"I wonder why we (the UK) even bother defending you (the US) to our less friendly European counterparts, partaking in your illegal wars, or assisting you in the retribution you saught to dish out following 9/11 resulting in the deaths of 100's of our servicemen."If America had to depend on the UK for its freedom, we'd have been enslaved a long time ago. Britain lost two world wars to Germany, remember or didn't they teach it to you that way in your school system? In fact that was why we threw you out of America in the first place, to win our freedom from you. That was when you were big England. Now you are just Little England. It's a wonder those two rustbucket submarines your navy has ever make it back to the surface once they dive. And BTW in case you forgot, your navy couldn't even defend its own men and women who were captured three years ago right off their own ship in broad daylight by the Irnanian navy of Cabin Craft speed boats and not even one shot was fired to defend them. You protect America? What kind of drugs are you on anyway? Sat 25 Sep 2010 02:04:06 GMT+1 BLUES55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=59#comment130 With all the experts here i would like to ask the question that is the world a safer happier place since the American military launched there attacks on terrorists and has the human cost been worth it? Sat 25 Sep 2010 01:44:25 GMT+1 jr4412 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=58#comment129 turningblueandgrey #122.my bad. 'bad people' followed by list of names had me fooled. Sat 25 Sep 2010 01:41:12 GMT+1 jr4412 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=58#comment128 filthy macnasty #117."Here's your apology."wasted on me since I'm not an Iranian national."Eat it cold and raw."my, my, testy."..as it made a kamikaze dive on our warships."and ignorant of the facts."The Fogarty report stated, "The data from USS Vincennes tapes, information from USS Sides and reliable intelligence information, corroborate the fact that Iran Air Flight 655 was on a normal commercial air flight plan profile, in the assigned airway, squawking Mode III 6760, on a continuous ascent in altitude from take-off at Bandar Abbas to shoot-down.""http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655#US_government_accountsfilthy macnasty -- nomen est omen, eh? Sat 25 Sep 2010 00:01:30 GMT+1 filthy macnasty http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=57#comment127 This post has been Removed Fri 24 Sep 2010 23:32:18 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=57#comment126 UANI: United Against the Nation of Iranhttp://www.ovimagazine.com/art/6273 Fri 24 Sep 2010 22:38:44 GMT+1 U14613024 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=56#comment125 Ms.MarblesI guess you broke it down the most accurately.. the West are gagging to go to War with Iran, like GW Bush was desperate to go to War too. Fri 24 Sep 2010 22:36:17 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=56#comment124 If Iran were a stable and peaceful democracy instead of an oppressive religious theocracy and state sponsor of terrorism no one would question the decision to used enhanced uranium in it's nuclear power program--unfortunately it is not and that creates the distrust of it's leaders intentions.-------------------------------------------------------------------------You are paranoid...Its stable and its peaceful..So far you have nothing against it, except your paranoid delusions..Its not engaged in any war, its been having elections for yrs...And it has a right to develop nuclear energy instead of relying on oil...It will not let its oil and gass be abused by the west..usa sponsor terrorism in pakistan..It has boldly accepted it...Confront your own government's sponsorship of terrorism before you question iran's. Fri 24 Sep 2010 22:18:34 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=55#comment123 A basic principle has been lost here. When Obama speaks (no matter to whom he purports to speak) he is speaking to the American people. It is the same with any other politician. So Ahmadinejad was not speaking to the U.N., he was speaking to the Iranian people. He was saying, "Look how important we are. We are Iranians. We don't knuckle under to anyone." What he is thinking and what his intentions are bear no relation to his words.Now all of you can take literally what the Iranian President says. You can assume he is arrogant and stupid and twisty, and maybe even crazy. Or, you can reappraise American political oratory. Embarrassing, isn't it? Fri 24 Sep 2010 22:16:21 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=55#comment122 116, colonelartist."..Just because some consipracy theoriest believe that its going to develop nuclear weapons..or that its going to engage in war after it develops it develop its weapons, while the reality is your own country has weapons and it is engaged in wars.."Ridiculous, isn't it? What iran really wants is to become the primo economic power in the Middle East. Wealth, not war, is on her agenda. But, hey, we need some sort of excuse to attack her, don't we? Fri 24 Sep 2010 22:03:19 GMT+1 turningblueandgrey http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=54#comment121 113, jr, I thought that readers would 'get' that I was listing either terror acts or victims of terror... No-one on the list was meant as a perpetrator Fri 24 Sep 2010 21:45:49 GMT+1 Scott0962 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/09/from_obama_to_iran_at_un_mild.html?page=54#comment120 re.# 119. At 9:56pm on 24 Sep 2010, filthy macnasty wrote:"5. At 00:55am on 24 Sep 2010, vagueofgodalming wrote:and confirm to the world the peaceful intent of its nuclear programme."Thorium can be used to fuel reactors and is IMPOSSIBLE to enrich to 'bomb-grade' fissionable levels.Why are the Iranians insisting on using uranium?Because they want nuclear weapons. Period.----------------Presumably then you'll be insisting that Japan switch from enriched uranium to thorium to fuel it's nuclear power plants? Using enriched uranium to power nuclear pants is not proof of intent to create nuclear wepons, merely of an enhanced capability to do so. If Iran were a stable and peaceful democracy instead of an oppressive religious theocracy and state sponsor of terrorism no one would question the decision to used enhanced uranium in it's nuclear power program--unfortunately it is not and that creates the distrust of it's leaders intentions. Fri 24 Sep 2010 21:45:18 GMT+1