Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html en-gb 30 Fri 28 Nov 2014 22:08:08 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html LoneStarCelt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=97#comment42 MAII Could you do me a big favour old chap, give my regards to Bo, luke, Boss Hog and Roscoe next time you see them.If you are ever in the Lone Star state you must drop by for tea and tiffin, can't miss me I'll be sitting by the river in my tweed suite and monocle sipping tea and eating cucumber sandwiches, with the crust cut off of course. Can't say I could return the favour as I won't be visiting the muggles on Planet Xenophobia any time soon. Thu 17 Jun 2010 03:14:11 GMT+1 LoneStarCelt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=95#comment41 Rightfieldbleachers: Agree completely with your sentiments. As to the UK public and the media smear campaign it won't get much traction with the British public. We too have our "good ol' boys and trailer trash" who are easily whipped up into a xenophobic frenzy by the press who see any legitimate criticism of a British company as an attack on the UK. The vast majority of the British public take anything like this with a pinch of salt and there are plenty of Brits working here in the US to set the record straight. Clearly BP have the major responsibility in this situation and are working to put it right. Most right thinking people in the UK acknowledge this and are just as angry as US citizens about what has happened. As I said in my pervious post politicians pandering to the xenophobic tendencies of certain parts of the population , MAII springs to mind, unhelpful in the extreme and will serve only one propose, get them noticed and re-elected. We have similar types in our country. My disappointment is seeing your president indulge in this behavior and singling out BP no mention any where of the two US companies involved and any blame that might be theirs to take. All that said the one point that has never been brought up when talking about BP is the fact that since they took over AMACO they are more American than British. That was when they dropped British Petroleum and called themselves BP. although their HQ is in London and their main listing is on the London stock exchange they employ slightly under 10,000 Brits and over 24,000 Americans. Thu 17 Jun 2010 02:53:58 GMT+1 rightfieldbleachers http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=93#comment40 Its all grandstanding for the public. Political nonsense. Obama is pandering. He's playing the xenophobe card. And, despite the supposed views of some of the American posters on this board, it isn't working here. The American public doesn't blame Britain as a nation (though, of course, they expect BP, and the other companies responsible, to make the situation right for those damaged). The British media is exaggerating the reaction of the American public. When did anyone in Britain start to take your media seriously? By the way, this is the same sort of pandering the Democrats did when they blamed Bush for a hurricane. The same card that many on this board, and in your media, play when they blame the US or Israel for anything that happens, regardless of the facts. When you get used to assessing blame to those you dislike (and Obama hates big business) you can always find a reason to blame them. Relax and enjoy the World Cup. Thu 17 Jun 2010 00:57:33 GMT+1 whosays http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=90#comment39 27 IF If PALIN had been running things this would not be the only problem. there would be all those rigs rushing out to DRILL BABY DRILL. The reason we have this problem is the years that people got away with dismissing arguments of environmentalists as the rants of Pot heads. We have seen that on this blog those that say No or boo to the PTB get shut down and the same old industry lies surface in the absence of real debate. Wed 16 Jun 2010 17:45:30 GMT+1 whosays http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=88#comment38 GH do you not think that only ONE OSHA fine for Exxon is not a bit suspicious?Seriously ONE?I think that tells us more about the inspections being concentrated on past problems in a "once the horses bolted" approach. They testified to having pretty much the same back up plan that BP has ...IE Nothing worth the paper it is quoted on. Wed 16 Jun 2010 17:41:29 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=86#comment37 I would like to say "Thank you!" to LonestarCelt and to every soldier from Great Britain and all other countries who is fighting alongside USA soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.From a grateful American who loves our allies. Wed 16 Jun 2010 16:27:09 GMT+1 readwriteandblue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=83#comment36 @ 26. At 02:41am on 16 Jun 2010, diverticulosis Not questioning your accuracy but it's is because I genuinely want to know Are you sure that Negligence will invalidate the liability cap?I ask because there would seem little point in a liability cap if that is the case.Judging but what I saw regarding the grilling the big 5 got yesterday not a single 1 of them could fight negligence charge Wed 16 Jun 2010 15:52:48 GMT+1 GH1618 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=81#comment35 WannabeYankee (#34) "Their posturing at the Senate Hearing yesterday did nothing to convince me that they are any better than BP. The fact they said they were is absolutely no guarantee at all."You don't have to take their word for it. Look at the history of Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) citations of oil companies:OSHA fines of oil companies Wed 16 Jun 2010 15:40:59 GMT+1 hms_shannon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=79#comment34 LonestarCelt,just click on to MA2`s name & see his out put,do not get riled & respond,you are dealing with one who lifes work is to cause hurt.They must reconsider the access to the web at Leavenworth,sewing mail bags is far more beneficial. Wed 16 Jun 2010 12:00:17 GMT+1 Wannabeyankee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=76#comment33 Re#32:Good on ya, Lonestarcelt. MAII is a "good ol' boy" redneck type of guy. Hates everyone and everything that wasn't born, bred, or invented in the USA. I wonder how much of his household is "Made in China"?BP has done as much as anybody could in trying to control this disaster. Posturing politicians and ill-informed people will not help. Push BP into a siege mentality, and you will lose whatever co-operation they are giving at the moment. This kind of negative publicity will possibly drive them into liquidation, not straight away, but in the end. No doubt MAII will be the first to wave his flag above the "conquered parapet", but you had better pray that US oil companies don't hit similar problems. Their posturing at the Senate Hearing yesterday did nothing to convince me that they are any better than BP. The fact they said they were is absolutely no guarantee at all. Wed 16 Jun 2010 11:44:53 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=74#comment32 "As a member of the British Army currently serving in the US for the US Army who has fought along side us soldiers and Marines both in Iraq and Afghanistan I hope that such xenophobic sentiments are no common in the US and it has been my experience that they are not."Well, did they teach you anything?"Is it really necessary to make a comment like this? Do you really believe it to be the case? I find this comment an others of its sort deeply offensive."OMG, the shoe is on the other foot. A European taking offense at something an American deliberately meant to be less that complimentary. Will wonders never cease?"However, it seems when anything goes wrong you will always find people who are desperately looking to apportion blame"We call those people police investigators, prosecutors, and juries here."...and if there is a foreign element within the problem then it is easy to go down the xenophobic route."That's right, only foreigners get accused, prosecuted, and sentenced. We never put Americans in prison...for anything."I have seen many politicians and political commentators and contributes to blogs such as this go that easy route. It adds nothing to help nor nothing of substance to the debate."I didn't blame the UcK although I did say that IMO Tony Heyward's imperious attitude reflects a cultural heritage. What are you complaining about?"I am sure there are many in all of the major oil companies looking at the current tragic problem thinking "their but for the grace of God go I"."I have a different take on it. I think they feel that it's a good thing for them they don't do things the way BP does or they might be in the dock themselves. THAT IS WHY THEY DON'T DO THEM THAT WAY. They probably feel in light of the moritorium on more drilling they are being penalized for BPs crimes."BP did not become, prior to this incident, the worlds fourth largest company without knowing how to do its business."They knew, they just didn't do it. They were lucky...up to now. Maybe part of becoming that big and profitable was from saving money by cutting corners all the time."They may have been un-prepared to deal with the problems facing it and there may have been negligence but they are doing everything they can to solve the problem."Unprepared? Negligence? You stretch the English language beyond recognition. They have one stategy that might work, it's all they've had all along, and if it doesn't work nobody knows what to do. They weren't merely indifferent to prudent practice, they were contemptuous of it because it ate into profits. Many of us think that is criminal. Just because watchdogs in government didn't do their job enforcing the laws doesn't give BP or anyone license to break them."They will spent many times the amount they are required to by law to make right the situation and recompense the people who have a legitimate claim for lost."I think you misread the law. I think American law will be interpreted by American courts to rule that this 75 million dollar limit doesn't apply. There is no limit. The principle of American law is to make people whole when they are damaged. And when a crime has been committed, I don't think the limits of tort law are binding. "Even if your are totally cynical about big business and their bottom line you have to understand that this company will never recover if they do anything else."You don't understand. Before this is over, they won't merely not recover, this is fatal. There won't be a BP when its done. The entire United States government is being enlisted to be certain of it. It's total war. BP can't win. The anger at Obama is that he didn't declare war soon enough, didn't fight hard enough. He's trying to make up for it. He's not going to pull his punches. "All the hot air and posturing by politicians may help them get re-elected but it isn't helping solve the problem."What makes you think the problem can actually be solved? They only have one idea left. Their previous ideas have all failed. If it were a miliatary campaign and the leak was the enemy, they'd have already lost the war having lost every battle so far. YOU of all people should appreciate that."Finally anyone who takes an anti British or xenophobic stance on this think before you commit to print and ask yourselves this; would I jump on a plane to our "irrelevant" little island and tell the families and friends of the 178 British soldiers killed in Iraq or the 200+ and still counting killed in Afghanistan how irrelevant we are?"Nobody here cares about your plessed blot, your skewered Isle. But what is the point in fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq when Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein could hardly have hoped to do worse to America than BP already has? Wed 16 Jun 2010 10:39:23 GMT+1 LoneStarCelt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=72#comment31 MarcusAureliusII wrote:All other matters are irrelevant. So is Britain.Is it really necessary to make a comment like this? Do you really believe it to be the case? I find this comment an others of its sort deeply offensive. As a member of the British Army currently serving in the US for the US Army who has fought along side us soldiers and Marines both in Iraq and Afghanistan I hope that such xenophobic sentiments are no common in the US and it has been my experience that they are not. However, it seems when anything goes wrong you will always find people who are desperately looking to apportion blame and if there is a foreign element within the problem then it is easy to go down the xenophobic route. I have seen many politicians and political commentators and contributes to blogs such as this go that easy route. It adds nothing to help nor nothing of substance to the debate. I am sure there are many in all of the major oil companies looking at the current tragic problem thinking "their but for the grace of God go I". BP did not become, prior to this incident, the worlds fourth largest company without knowing how to do its business. They may have been un-prepared to deal with the problems facing it and there may have been negligence but they are doing everything they can to solve the problem. They will spent many times the amount they are required to by law to make right the situation and recompense the people who have a legitimate claim for lost. Even if your are totally cynical about big business and their bottom line you have to understand that this company will never recover if they do anything else. All the hot air and posturing by politicians may help them get re-elected but it isn't helping solve the problem.Finally anyone who takes an anti British or xenophobic stance on this think before you commit to print and ask yourselves this; would I jump on a plane to our "irrelevant" little island and tell the families and friends of the 178 British soldiers killed in Iraq or the 200+ and still counting killed in Afghanistan how irrelevant we are? Wed 16 Jun 2010 06:11:21 GMT+1 Tinkersdamn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=69#comment30 BP's track record is much worse than most. While they surely didn't wish for this disaster, it does seem possible they're concern for profit led them into greater risk than normal- many reports suggest this.As for the entire industry's preparedness to contend with such a failure, you're right, amazingly, it's not there. Wed 16 Jun 2010 03:45:13 GMT+1 Yellowterror http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=67#comment29 This happened to BP. It could have been a US oil firm. Obama has used strong enough language to stir British anxiety but its is cleary not enough for jingoistic Americans who are expressing emotions rather than using their heads. Obama is realistic and knows that hectoring,accusing and threats (all of which he has used repeatedly and liberally) cannot solve the problem, when clearly from the lack of progress, no one in the entire industry knows how to plug the leak.People seem to talk as if BP was wantonly careless (stupid as it makes no sense) and could'nt care less about the mass destruction of the coastal fauna and flora, the water and the liveliehood of millions (Is this even remotely conceviable?)It is important to focus on how to plug the leak.It is even more important to see how the damage can be lessened or reversed. It is most important to ask how and why none of the many US oil behemoths operating offshore rigs all over the world never foresaw and prepared a solution for such an accident at all. Are they doing something about it now? Wed 16 Jun 2010 03:22:49 GMT+1 empedocles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=65#comment28 . At 8:01pm on 15 Jun 2010, BluesBerry wrote:...."Also, there is a deeper problem in the United States; there's a hidden, inspoken code that prohibits government interference in the business of private corporations. At the top of this corporate code is the untouchable roperty rights, meaning that large corporations have complete control to do whatever they want with their moneyand their property wherever and whenever they want. To the US government, this right pre-empts human rights, environmental rights, etc."---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think BluesBerry got where the herth of the matter lies, with a lucid approach I have not expected in an American citizen.We should rekon in how many activities corporations have gone far beyond the ressourses the current technology to prevent a similar kind of enviromental disaster. What will they do with billons and billons of diposable diaper, disposable, plastic bags and bottles, disposable appliances and equipament disposable and non- biodegradale stuff: It's obvious we can´t relay on businessmen to deal with these prblems, because the not care about and to make things worse the Adamsmithian "invisible hand" reject to turn around and fix the mess. Another but no the last consequence of reckless murky greed. When talking about energy, we should curb the consome in such a way that allow us to meet the need of it and not the demand of it at least until we'll be able to aproduce that energy in an enviromentaly affordable way. Wed 16 Jun 2010 02:25:11 GMT+1 Tinkersdamn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=62#comment27 There have been so many times during this presidency and congress, I feel as though I'm looking at a team without a coach. A team whose stated objectives I find comparatively better than their opposition, but one lacking in the kind of coordination that yields results. A five point plan of executive and/or legislative specific actions would have been more convincing than a statement of general objectives (with preperation on the legislative side in advance and a willingness to tar opposition from any camp). At least there were two specifics: a reparation fund not under BP control, and a real house cleaning at MMS. Though, for the latter, good intentions and the short term aside, I wonder how effective oversight will be when a disparity of twenty to thirty times the take home income of inspector to inspected exists with people of comparative education. Wed 16 Jun 2010 02:20:56 GMT+1 Interestedforeigner http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=60#comment26 23. At 00:57am on 16 Jun 2010, MarcusAureliusII wrote:"If President Palin had been dealing with this mess, Tony Heyward would have had his testicles removed and he'd already be singing castrato. And that would be just for starters. I wonder if they threaten that at GITMO...as a psychological tactic only of course."____________Interesting and colourful as your imagery may be, and as accurate an assessment of former Governor Palin's limited ability to grasp complex technical problems and provide realistic, measured, constructive and effective solutions to them, ...... how would that get us any closer to stopping the oil from leaking? Wed 16 Jun 2010 02:10:23 GMT+1 diverticulosis http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=58#comment25 19. At 00:08am on 16 Jun 2010, readwriteandblue wrote:"Push hard and get BP to pay over the liability cap (I mean way over potentially 100 times over).But not so hard that it is no longer in their interest to pay and then the US gets the bill.BP could just bail, as much as I hate to say it, they could make an economical decision because they are a business.The liability cap of $75,000,000 is nothing from a financial standpoint for BP. But that is the current law.If BP walk away no one will pick up this bill, I know they’ll be a fund and it will look pretty on paper but it will be a whitewash.So how do you get a company ( Company = privately owned entity whose soul purpose is to make money) to pay more than the law requires. without doing what your president has done."Liability caps don't mean diddly squat if the defendant is found to be negligent. The 5 points in the letter to Mr. Heyward from Congress points to negligence. In court, the damages are awarded by a jury. I really doubt they are going to be kind to BP. They don't have a stellar safety record in the US. Just ask the Alaska and Texas City residents. Wed 16 Jun 2010 01:41:53 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=55#comment24 There's no need for al Qaeda to attack America when they've got BP doing it for them. Had al Qaeda done this we'd be bombing Pakistan or somebody right now. President Obama has seemed utterly ineffective. All I can say is that a lot of us told ya so before the election. People get the government they deserve. America is suffering from a bad case of Obamatosis. Wed 16 Jun 2010 01:39:05 GMT+1 GH1618 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=53#comment23 allmymarbles (#11) "When the spill first occurred, Obama said that corrupt U.S. agencies were involved in the lack of oversight. What ever happened with that?"President Obama spoke to that in his address tonight. Wed 16 Jun 2010 00:47:40 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=51#comment22 Lance Armstrong;"I ask the people who are venomous about President Obama to contemplate the fact that it could be President Palin trying to deal with this mess"If President Palin had been dealing with this mess, Tony Heyward would have had his testicles removed and he'd already be singing castrato. And that would be just for starters. I wonder if they threaten that at GITMO...as a psychological tactic only of course. Tue 15 Jun 2010 23:57:26 GMT+1 Asreyser http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=48#comment21 Obama has been too worked up about this from the start. If McCain or Palin were in office, federal agencies wouldn't even be dreaming of being anywhere near this. I think the government needs to take a big step back and let the private sector deal with its own. Tue 15 Jun 2010 23:46:19 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=46#comment20 President Obama is at war with BP. Congress and the American people at large have no problem with that. BP makes an excellent enemy, one that is easy to villify, easy to vanquish. The question is will the President's war score him the political points he wants and needs for him and his party to turn around his poll numbers. So far the answer seems to be no. If anything, many Americans feel President Obama has bee far too soft on it so far. They want more shock and awe. I'm sure before its over they will get quite a show out of it. But it may not be enough, especially if the leak isn't capped, BP isn't on its hands and knees on the verge of bankruptcy, and its president is still on the loose come November's election. All other matters are irrelevant. So is Britain. Tue 15 Jun 2010 23:45:37 GMT+1 berult http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=44#comment19 M.Mardell, your take on Obama is off in more ways than one.''But he ignored it'' is outright false. He smiled. Not very witty nor sophisticated I do admit, but he was authentically taken aback by the Marines's demonstration of willful exuberance. He responded in kind. Good enough for them, good enough for me.''The president's real problem is whether he has gripped this crisis hard enough from the start.''Your doubts about the President's precocious resolve align themselves perfectly with pundits and journalists alike. You have a problem reading into this President's heart and soul. And heart and soul are the crux of the matter when you deal with this President. He has no problem with his vision: short, medium or long term, peering into the Past or projecting into the Future; that's his forte. You obviously do, and your analysis is crippled from the lack of it. Take, if you would, your job more to heart and correspondingly less to smart, and doors to comprehension and enlightenment will measurably open up for you. Tue 15 Jun 2010 23:10:44 GMT+1 readwriteandblue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=41#comment18 OK Quick question. ( I have posted something similar on the other blog about the gulf paying the price my apologies for repetition)The liability is $75,000,000. (I don’t know why and I don’t think it should be but that is apparently what it is)BP said they would pay more than that (of corse only because they want to keep doing business).Surely that makes it a bit of a tightrope for the President. Push hard and get BP to pay over the liability cap (I mean way over potentially 100 times over).But not so hard that it is no longer in their interest to pay and then the US gets the bill.BP could just bail, as much as I hate to say it, they could make an economical decision because they are a business.The liability cap of $75,000,000 is nothing from a financial standpoint for BP. But that is the current law.If BP walk away no one will pick up this bill, I know they’ll be a fund and it will look pretty on paper but it will be a whitewash.So how do you get a company ( Company = privately owned entity whose soul purpose is to make money) to pay more than the law requires. without doing what your president has done. Tue 15 Jun 2010 23:08:26 GMT+1 Texas_Guy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=39#comment17 11. At 11:10pm on 15 Jun 2010, allmymarbles wrote:When the spill first occurred, Obama said that corrupt U.S. agencies were involved in the lack of oversight. What ever happened with that?The Federal government's MMS (Mineral Management Service) is being broken up into three different departments so that the people responsible for collecting royalty checks from the oil companies are not the same people responsible for enforcing regulations anymore. The Director of the MMS resigned a few weeks ago and his replacement was announced by the President today.The US regulatory enforcement problems that the President can take care of, he has. Look to the hearings in Congress for tightening the regulations. Congress sets the regulations. Tue 15 Jun 2010 23:03:16 GMT+1 Texas_Guy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=37#comment16 BP cut corners. They did this in the same way all oil companies cut corners drilling in the Gulf. I don't think it would be fair to say that it was just bad luck that BP had a blowout, because I think there was some negligence there, but I doubt they generally do things differently from any other company drilling in the Gulf. The behind-schedule nature of this well may have caused them to be more careless than usual. There have been five blowouts in the last year in the Gulf, but the safety equipment that was supposed to shut down the wells worked in those cases.I live in Houston and have been around the oil industry all my life and the poor regulation enforcement in the Gulf is no one's fault but the US Federal government. Having said that, BP did not follow regulations and they are going to have to expect to pay the piper (and the fishermen and the hotel owners, etc.) for that. They will not go bankrupt due to the spill, but they will lose some value and pay out many billions in claims. Tue 15 Jun 2010 22:56:58 GMT+1 mailmannz http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=34#comment15 Mardell said "But the perception that he is too cool, too detached, is a big part of it. He must hope tonight is indeed an inflection, not a confirmation of an existing trend."No mate, that is YOUR impression of Obama. If you bothered to read the posts people are making on your blog you wouldnt go near what you just said above with a oil covered 10 foot barge pole!The fact is, Obama is clueless. What you think is Obama being cool, in reality is Obama being clueless. When you think he is being detached, the reality is he is being told to keep his mouth shut (police being stupid, BP being stupid, Israel being stupid).The reality is, Obama is an intellectual light weight who is way above his pay grade. The sooner the in love media get over themselves and start reporting what is happening in the real world instead of laalaa land where a lot of them look lovingly on their President Wonderful, the sooner we can all move on.The indecision and complete lack of leadership he has shown since this disaster started is about as much as many of us expected to see.Mailman Tue 15 Jun 2010 22:52:02 GMT+1 Curt Carpenter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=32#comment14 "But the perception that he is too cool, too detached, is a big part of it. He must hope tonight is indeed an inflection, not a confirmation of an existing trend."Oh my God I hope not. We've had eight years of a near-idiot: please don't wish a hand-wringing phony on us now. Tue 15 Jun 2010 22:51:26 GMT+1 mabelwhite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=30#comment13 Here's a suggestive clip on BP's practices.http://www.allproudamericans.com/how-would-BP-handle-a-coffee-spill.html#%7B Tue 15 Jun 2010 22:41:32 GMT+1 Lance K http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=27#comment12 I ask the people who are venomous about President Obama to contemplate the fact that it could be President Palin trying to deal with this mess, if She and McCain had been elected, and the strain proved too great for McCain.How does that work for ya? Tue 15 Jun 2010 22:40:21 GMT+1 rodidog http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=25#comment11 "Leadership is action not a position."Well, that sums up Obama's problem to date, IMO. He is in a position of leadership but is not providing any. Everything he does is a reaction or a deflection. For 60 day's there has been no proactive agenda in dealing with cleaning up this spill. Now that he is being tar-balled he's getting angry. Meanwhile, BP could end up going belly-up, leaving Obama (red tax payer's) with the cleaning bill. Tue 15 Jun 2010 22:35:43 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=23#comment10 When the spill first occurred, Obama said that corrupt U.S. agencies were involved in the lack of oversight. What ever happened with that? Tue 15 Jun 2010 22:10:19 GMT+1 d_m http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=20#comment9 #7 glenbarrington:Please enlighten us. What exactly would you do? Tue 15 Jun 2010 22:00:55 GMT+1 astoundingBigJohn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=18#comment8 This Oil Spill is a tragic incident that will take us years to clean up. That being said, it was in the interests of all the Major Oil Companies to plug this leak. I am confident that the finest Petroleum Engineers on the Planet have worked and are working on the problem. However, we need the oil. Systemic accidents will occur. It seems to me that BP is acting as responsibly and intelligently as they are able. It always amazes me that when something goes wrong somewhere, everyone looks to the President of the U.S. like he's some kind of God with a magic wand. And, it is because so many millions do that we often have the knee-jerk political reactions that we later regret. We are an ignorant people, by and large. Tue 15 Jun 2010 22:00:16 GMT+1 Scott0962 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=16#comment7 Another speech from the delagator in chief? (Yawn.) Wake me up when Obama's actions match his words. So far the impression he's given is that he's been dragged into dealing with a problem he considers not worthy of his time and is going through the motions because it's expected of him. If he were serious about the problem he'd make it clear to everyone that we will do whatever it takes to clean the spill and mitigate the damage and foot dragging by any part of the U.S. government will not be tolerated. Find ways to do, not excuses not to do. If we haven't the resources to deal with the spill then get help from those who do, this is no time to stand on national pride. In other words, he's got to show some real leadership instead of delegating the problem and alternating between ignoring it and making bellicose noises at BP. Fix the problem first, then worry about finding fault!I notice the representatives of American oil companies were in the hot seat before Congress yesterday and admitted they didn't have any better plans than BP for dealing with a spill of this magnitude so singling out BP isn't helping anything, this could have happened to any of the majors. The problem is systemic to the industry as a whole and not a unique product of BP's pedigree. If anyone deserves to be singled out surely the inspectors from Federal agency that was supposed to be regulating the industry should be at the front of the line; as public servants they had duty to the public and not just to shareholders. Tue 15 Jun 2010 21:30:22 GMT+1 junkmonkey http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=13#comment6 Obama is SUCH a weenie! He hasn't a clue about how to go about handling this crisis (and it IS a crisis, it is a crisis that affects the whole world). Tue 15 Jun 2010 20:56:52 GMT+1 shiveringofforgottenenemies http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=11#comment5 Oil companies are extremely compartmented. I know, because I worked for one. BP's drilling operations are a separate corporate entity from the gas station, the refineries are isolated by other corporate games to limit liability.I suspect that BP is eager to "settle out of court" on this disaster. After all, they lost their deep drilling rig, that is sitting on the bottom of the Gulf...and every greasy spoon that ever blackened a Snapper is putting in a claim for lost revenues. Paying for this mess will go on for decades and cost an incalculable amount. So, they are going to strike a devil's bargain. The US government will get one sunken oil rig, 5000 feet of bent piping...on PROVEN well, and a monumental bill, PLUS the political clout to push their OUTRAGEOUSLY EXPENSIVE GREEN ENERGY, and the CARBON TAX down America's throat. So, everyone is happy, right?What we will be witnessing will be POLITICS at its worst...and once again Obama will tell us that it was a hard choice but the right thing to do! Tue 15 Jun 2010 20:25:38 GMT+1 d_m http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=9#comment4 #4 BluesBerry:I think you prejudices and preferences are showing. Tue 15 Jun 2010 20:00:03 GMT+1 BluesBerry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=6#comment3 I eagerly await Obama's address to the American Nation this evening.I think I will learn much more about who runs the United States of America?When polls showed that Obama just didn’t seem to get the seriousness of the oil spill, his next TV appearance showed Obama as “outraged”, looking for butt to kick and sadly not finding it. How come? Didn't he know where to look? Yet his lack of action persists. Obama has allowed BP to mislead re the seriousness of the spill, even when scientists are telling the media BP's estimates are hogwash. One reason (perhaps) that Obama doesn’t challenge BP is because he owes them. Not financially, but during Obama’s time in the Senate & while running for president, Obama received a total of $79,000 from BP; in fact he was the top recipient of BP graciousness over the past 20 years.What do I think will happen?BP will get into Court System - American courts where judges are very friendly with corporations. BP’s # 1 legal team will work out a settlement. This settlement will be negligible.How can this happen?More than half of the federal judges located in Gulf territory have financial connections to the oil and gas industry; so, how are you goping to find even one judge without a conflict of interest? Also, there is a deeper problem in the United States; there's a hidden, inspoken code that prohibits government interference in the business of private corporations. At the top of this corporate code is the untouchable roperty rights, meaning that large corporations have complete control to do whatever they want with their moneyand their property wherever and whenever they want. To the US government, this right pre-empts human rights, environmental rights, etc. Look at the free trade agreements. Overseas corporate investments are strictly protected, prohibiting foreign nations from using US corporate facilities for the social needs of their native people. Obama’s unwillingness to push aside BP and take government charge of the operation makes him an accomplice to the disaster. For example, in order that BP be allowed to remain in charge, Obama has given them professional credibility where none should have existed: “BP has the expertise and technology.” BP’s actions prior to the spill constitute criminal negligence. One example was cited in The New York Times, which quoted a scientist, Dr. Leifer, working for the Flow Rate Technical Group: “It’s apparent that BP is playing games with us, presumably under the advice of their legal team. It’s six weeks that it’s been dumping into the gulf, and still no measurements.”Local government officials in Florida are also disgusted with BP’s lack of action in preventing the oil from landing on their beaches, while doing next to nothing in cleaning up the beached oil. The attorney general of Florida complained: “I’m outraged…Why are we waiting so long to do this? Why is the Coast Guard, Obama, BP waiting? They’ve seen it coming, so why are we waiting?” Obama’s faith in BP to properly handle the spill — after it had no emergency plan to deal with any spill in the first place — borders on something other than intelligence. In am intelligent world, BP’s executives would be facing severe criminal charges, and the billions of profits they’ve earned in the last year would be confiscated to pay for the cleanup. BP’s infrastructure would be taken under the control of the US government, which could ensure that the job was done correctly. The ultimate lesson of this environmental/economic catastrophe is that Obama is not at all serious about confronting corporate interests. In fact, president Obama may be part of the corporate problem.Let's see if I'm right tonight... Tue 15 Jun 2010 19:01:17 GMT+1 Philly-Mom http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=4#comment2 A few years ago, I had an interesting discussion with a grey-haired Washingtonian about GWBush. She liked him. She defended him. We talked policy. We talked history. She agreed with me. Then I asked her... how can you continue to defend Bush when you agree that his policy is flawed?She said that friends of hers had met President Bush and felt that he was a sincerely compassionate and kind person who truly wanted what was best for his people and his country. She trusted her friends, therefore she trusted President Bush.I refer to this as 'having drunk the cool-aid'.Personally, I care more about policy and action than apparent sincerity and kindly wishes, and I don't think that a person needs to be warm and fuzzy to be smart and effective.Nonetheless, I think you might be right. Folks like warm and fuzzy.Hello Kitty for President in 2012. Because, everybody loves kittens. Tue 15 Jun 2010 18:46:32 GMT+1 shiveringofforgottenenemies http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=2#comment1 The speech is a distractor. He is focusing attention on the spill which has no ready solution in order to take the focus off the back-room politics going on in Washinton on regulatory reform, CARBON TAX, his "get soft" immigration policy and the fact that he threw $50 billion into an almost useless jobs bill. He is distracting you from the fact that Ray LaHood junketed to Palm Springs, CA to pose with Barbara Boxer at a mock "groundbreaking" for a new tower at the Palm Springs airport, used by fat cats with their private jets. He calls this "the stimulus at work!" Anyone else would call it fraud, waste and abuse.He is using the speech to cover up the fact that he is increasing the size of federal agencies like never before in history...agencies intended to develope our nation's resources are being POLITICIZED! He is using the speech to camoflage the fact that the EPA is going to regulate natural products like CO2 and WATER VAPOR as hazardous to our health! He is using the speech to distract us from the CONSTANT SURGE OF illegals pouring over our borders. He is distracting us from the fact that ICE netted 449 illegal criminals...which only leaves 14,000,551 to go!Oh yes, by all means, let's pop some popcorn and watch the show in the Oval Office! Tue 15 Jun 2010 18:32:28 GMT+1 diverticulosis http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/06/looking_for_a_turning_point.html?page=0#comment0 ""an inflection point" - a mathematical term to describe the point where a wave on a graph changes direction."Actually an inflection point is where the second derivative of a function changes it's sign. A "wave" on a graph can still be going "in the same" direction and have an inflection point. Tue 15 Jun 2010 18:29:05 GMT+1