Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html en-gb 30 Tue 02 Jun 2015 22:17:04 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html timohio http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=97#comment48 re. 38. KScurmudgeon:Where do you get the "over here" business? I'm over here with you. Do you think that because I disagree with you I must not be American?Legal means the government will not prosecute you for it, not that the government endorses the practice.Allowing insurance companies to cover abortions is not endorsing it.You appear to have an opinion that terrifies many Americans, and which was used to great effect by the Republicans in opposing the health care bill - that the government will take care of every need, as it determines the need.Wrong. I do think there are some things that are part of the function of government. When the constitution was written, the government (including state and local government) wasn't involved in a whole lot of things: interstate highways, public schools and universities, air traffic control, health and safety standards, police and fire protection--there's a long list. I recognize that too much government support undermines individual initiative. But it seems to me that providing basic health care is in the same league as building highways and schools. It's part of the public infrastructure. And I don't see how supporting basic health care is "meeting every need." Remember that under this bill private insurance will still be the backbone of our health care system. Tue 23 Mar 2010 17:25:21 GMT+1 enzo11 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=95#comment47 #1 - The Hyde Amendment has to be renewed every year to remain in effect. #2 - This Executive Order would never stand up in court - the judges will interpret the law according to what is actually written IN THE LAW.#3 - Now all the Left has to do to get elective abortions paid for by the peoples money is to let the Hyde Amendment lapse.All that the Exectuive Order did was give the illusion that the Dems have banned taxpayer money going to abortions - basicly a means for Dems in conservative districts to say to their constituants that they did not vote for using taxpayers money to fund abortions.Smoke and mirrors.And the Dems know it.Some here seem to somehow think that the Massachusetts plans is a good plan that has the support of the people. In reality, it is bankrupting the State, and most likely will be repealed shortly and/or be highly modified.Hopefully the Repubs (and hopefully quite a few Independants) will replace Democrats this coming fall and band together to repeal this monstrocity and institue some real reform that will actually work as advertised. Mon 22 Mar 2010 17:36:05 GMT+1 GH1618 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=93#comment46 "If the Senate Republicans offer admendments on tort reform and on interstate purchasing it will be interesting to see how Dems reject these worthy additions." (from #43)Amendments to what? The Seanate bill has been passed in will become law when signed by the President. The reconciliation bill has already been agreed to by Senate Democrats, and will be passed without amendment this week.If the Republicans want tort reform, they can write a separate bill for it. Mon 22 Mar 2010 16:07:54 GMT+1 U14394967 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=91#comment45 42 I guess not all americans think that bootstraps are found in the dirt.I liked that 40 as well.I think things are so far behind we better get a forklift to catch up.I don't think we should be remembered as the generation or three that threw away the chance to no longer be the country that spends the most on the fewest. I am not alone. I suspect. Mon 22 Mar 2010 15:21:42 GMT+1 U14394904 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=89#comment44 $# YOU LIE> Tort reform is not a real issue. YOU LIE;) Mon 22 Mar 2010 14:43:56 GMT+1 U14394904 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=87#comment43 42 U are welcome. Mon 22 Mar 2010 14:33:37 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=85#comment42 If the Senate Republicans offer admendments on tort reform and on interstate purchasing it will be interesting to see how Dems reject these worthy additions.Also question are unions getting any delayed tax emption on their plans, if so the congress is giving preferential treatment to a group which is worse than most insurance companies. Mon 22 Mar 2010 08:26:11 GMT+1 KScurmudgeon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=83#comment41 41. At 05:21am on 22 Mar 2010, procrastinationstolemylife wrote:"You do know that Tim was /is in Ohio right?"______________________Sorry - missed that entirely. Seems really strange that an American would think gov'mt would pay for everyting..._________"I would say Over here we don't give a donkeys tale about abortion."________________________That speaks to an old suspicion of mine that Europeans have much less hope for the future - but as you say - another day.Thanks for the nod to mine at 40 - I've been itching to write that for weeks, begging the opportunity.KScurmudgeon Mon 22 Mar 2010 05:48:37 GMT+1 U14393209 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=81#comment40 38 Like 40 but that bit about " over here there are legal activities so controversial that we don't want the government doing them with our money"You do know that Tim was /is in Ohio right?I would say Over here we don't give a donkeys tale about abortion. let them pay for them. (Sorry I do unedrestand you issues with abortion,but I do understand that limiting them to those that can afford them isn't really fair.After all they are the ones that can best afford to care for their kids. Sorry but we could go into saving more kids by lowering infant mortality being more important than preventing abortions. but another day. I do get that The GOP are using this fear in so many. But do not succumb to it .Happy St O day.See there we go again pandering to the GOP by being enthusiastic. And they wonder where the OOmph went. Mon 22 Mar 2010 05:21:58 GMT+1 KScurmudgeon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=79#comment39 We have a crack in the wall protecting the most dangerous monopolists from the interests of the people they are paid to serve. By protecting the health care industry from openness and free competition, they threaten the lives and well being of the nation at all levels. This was never about socialized medicine, after all seventy-eight percent of us have private insurance and that is not changed by this new system. That was a lie perpetrated by the opponents to divert us from the problem.Given a choice, the consumer will choose better, and as businesses, government, and human beings we will all benefit.What's broken can be fixed, what's needed can be supplied, now that the locked doors are opened. KScurmudgeon Mon 22 Mar 2010 05:11:41 GMT+1 U14393209 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=77#comment38 This post has been Removed Mon 22 Mar 2010 05:02:39 GMT+1 KScurmudgeon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=75#comment37 16. At 01:17am on 22 Mar 2010, tim wrote:"The Hyde Amendment basically bans federal funding for abortion.I do find it curious that one federal law could ban funding for a medical procedure that under current federal law is legal."First - we aren't yet in a position to expect the government to pay for everything.Second - Legal means the government will not prosecute you for it, not that the government endorses the practice.Third - over here there are legal activities so controversial that we don't want the government doing them with our money. It is, in our opinion, still our money they are using.I hope that helps.You appear to have an opinion that terrifies many Americans, and which was used to great effect by the Republicans in opposing the health care bill - that the government will take care of every need, as it determines the need.Think about it.KScurmudgeon Mon 22 Mar 2010 05:01:47 GMT+1 U14393209 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=73#comment36 1"Wait a minute Mark! I've been watching the House live on CNN and the Republicans are NOT warning of government tyrany, a Euro-nanny state or an end to freedom. The Republicans are well-prepared and making SOUND arguements and pointing out the many flaws that could have been addressed, pointing to the amendments that they offered but which were refused. The Republicans quite frankly are looking good!"You paid for Hi def and still cannot hear the words. What a waste.'Till Next time.ASF way to prove all Americans have not lost their hearts. good on you and your (oh BTWmy) nation. I'm with you.Oltimer. I don't believe you. I think you are in your twenties. A libritarian who has not lived long enough to see pain in anothers face. I just don't believe you.Sorry. The Real oltimers I meet seem to think more like real christians not brought up in the Me Me Me generation.Maybe you are. There is a Kipling quote for you out there.MA Like I said. The more you guuys fight Obama on this the more you look bad. the more you guarentee his place as a hero amoungst american presidents. Maybe if the battle was not so hard he would not look so strong. God Bless America for trying.God Bless the President of the United States of America.;)Well done O.Some can see a good person for what they are. Even in America.Tim who used to admit to being from Ohio( ;) good luck, Enjoy "live long and prosper" Mon 22 Mar 2010 04:51:53 GMT+1 oletimer http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=71#comment35 Ref; post 10 faeythYour parents have S.S. and a 401k because they worked for them!You strike me as being in the, gimme, I'm entitled, generation. My advice, get an education, get a job and prepare for your retirement. I would wager you spend most of your time on the computer and whining, all the while with your hand held out. Mon 22 Mar 2010 04:12:36 GMT+1 Gavrielle_LaPoste http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=69#comment34 32. At 03:30am on 22 Mar 2010, GH1618 wrote:The reconciliation has been passed.As Craig Ferguson would say, "It's a great day for America." Mon 22 Mar 2010 04:05:43 GMT+1 Michael http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=67#comment33 Well done, America - the rest of the developed world is cheering for you with this one. Mon 22 Mar 2010 03:42:20 GMT+1 Noliving http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=65#comment32 Ya but keep in mind americansportsfan that very few of the bay state residents approve of the fine if you don't get health care insurance. Mon 22 Mar 2010 03:38:55 GMT+1 GH1618 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=63#comment31 The reconciliation has been passed. Mon 22 Mar 2010 03:30:37 GMT+1 GH1618 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=61#comment30 Now they are taking a recorded vote on the reconciliation. I had thought that they were to have been taken up in reverse order, but it seems they didn't find that necessary. Mon 22 Mar 2010 03:22:33 GMT+1 Interestedforeigner http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=59#comment29 "The bill passed by 219 votes to 212, with no Republican backing, after hours of fierce argument and debate."_________There are Republicans who are going to live to regret this.---------And House Democrats within the beltway now a-bed, Shall think themselves accursed they voted "nay",And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That voted with us upon Saint Barack's day. Mon 22 Mar 2010 03:21:23 GMT+1 GH1618 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=57#comment28 Now the Republicans want a recorded vote on the motion to recommit, which clearly failed on a voice vote. Just a pointless delaying tactic. Mon 22 Mar 2010 03:04:18 GMT+1 GH1618 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=55#comment27 Rep. Stupak is speaking against this ploy. Mon 22 Mar 2010 03:02:08 GMT+1 GH1618 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=53#comment26 Now the people interested in the abortion provisions are trying to recommit. Mon 22 Mar 2010 02:57:44 GMT+1 frayedcat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=51#comment25 Yup - God Bless Americahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ETrr-XHBjE Mon 22 Mar 2010 02:56:24 GMT+1 GH1618 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=48#comment24 No, now the House is taking up the reconciliation. Mon 22 Mar 2010 02:50:26 GMT+1 GH1618 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=46#comment23 No, it was the Senate amended bill. It looks like it's done, in the House. Mon 22 Mar 2010 02:48:32 GMT+1 GH1618 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=44#comment22 The reconciliation bill just received the necessary votes. Mon 22 Mar 2010 02:47:39 GMT+1 wolfvorkian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=42#comment21 It must be particularly galling for the GOP to have a black man and a women stick it to them. The vote tonight will guarantee Obama a 2nd term. You lost, you should have played nice instead of exposing yourself. God Bless America... Mon 22 Mar 2010 02:29:22 GMT+1 csgators http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=40#comment20 16. At 01:17am on 22 Mar 2010, tim wrote:" I do find it curious that one federal law could ban funding for a medical procedure that under current federal law is legal."So breast enhancements for all then aye? Mon 22 Mar 2010 02:20:14 GMT+1 American Sport Fan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=38#comment19 RE 12MarcusI have this belief that Healthcare reform is one of those things that is controversial before it passes, but becomes widely popular afterwords. I refer to what happened in the state of Massachuesettes when a republican governor, Mitt Romney, passed legislation similar to this. It was very controversial before it passed and NOW no one in the Bay State wasn't it repealed.It 's also like Social Security, which was very controversial back in the '30s and many republicans were against that, and NOW it would be unheard of for anyone to repeal THAT piece of social legislation. Infact, in 1936 the Republican Candidate for the Presidency Alf Landon campaigned on a platform that called for a repeal of Social Security. That really worked well, he won 2 states ( Maine and Vermont) and lost in an electoral landslide.I have a feeling, a feeling deep inside, that the Reppublican's are not going to gain anything from this. I have a gut feeling that part of the Reason that the reason the Republican opposition to healthcare is that they have feared, that it would make them an almost permenant minority party. Instead of working with the Democrats, they chose the path of obstructionism which seemed to work in the short term in that it was able to drag the President's poll numbers down. However, not that Healthcare reform seems to be passing, it looks like Obama's poll numbers are going back on the rise.Just heard on MSNBC that a poll released in the past hour show's Obama's numbers risen 7 pts in the last day or so. They further explained that Obama's negatives went down 3 pts and his positives went up 4 pts., hence the 7 pt improvement in poll numbers. As Ed Shultz on MSNBC's telecast said a lot of the negative poll numbers seemed to be a result of nothing getting done in Washington. That in a nutshell sums up the GOP strategy. Obstruct and delay, and drag the presidents numbers downs in hopes of getting control of congress. Well it looks as though that strategy has backfired. Mon 22 Mar 2010 01:41:20 GMT+1 timohio http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=36#comment18 re. 13. faeyth:And keep in mind that Gen X didn't WANT defined benefit pensions because they weren't going to stay with the stodgy companies that hired them and wanted to take their 401ks with them to wherever fortune called. At one point the Democrats had to BEAT OFF Republican attempts to privatize Social Security. Wouldn't it have been a trip if Social Security had been privatized and then the stock market had crashed? Mon 22 Mar 2010 01:41:02 GMT+1 timohio http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=34#comment17 re. 13. At 00:58am on 22 Mar 2010, faeyth wrote:I don't want to have to compensate for 1 generation who has made bad personal and government decisions.Yeah, and we got better music when we were young, too. If it comforts you any, I don't think life is going to be as rosy for the Boomers as you think. We're currently paying for both our parents and our kids. We're looking at later retirement ages than our parents, and our employers are trying to get rid of us as fast as possible to hire you.Where do you get the "bad personal and government decisions" part? I've been voting Democratic for 30 years, for all the good it's done. And I've been living frugally and have no personal debt. It's the ones who came after us who screwed things up, the greedy little snots. If it was up to us, it would still be sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Except that by this point, the sex would be a lot less frequent, the drugs would be beta blockers, and the rock and roll would be through our hearing aids. Mon 22 Mar 2010 01:35:54 GMT+1 timohio http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=32#comment16 re. 12. MarcusAureliusII:...neither the opposition nor the people are going to roll over and play dead for this. Well, the opposition won't roll over because they don't have anything else to run on, but once the people realize that this isn't what they've been scared into believing it is, they won't be terribly exercised about it. They might even be rather pleased about it. Mon 22 Mar 2010 01:21:09 GMT+1 timohio http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=30#comment15 re. 11. AmericanSportFan:The Hyde Amendment basically bans federal funding for abortion. I do find it curious that one federal law could ban funding for a medical procedure that under current federal law is legal. Mon 22 Mar 2010 01:17:13 GMT+1 wolfvorkian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=28#comment14 I'm listening to the House right now. Listening to the GOP liars and psychos whine..WHINE..and WHINE about what happens when you lose an election. I have news for them: when you lose - you don't make the agenda, the winner does!The remind me of a the batch of white trash bullies I grew up with as a kid in the Midwest. They loved playing hardball until you played it with them and then they went whining to the teacher saying you were not playing fair. When the dems finally started playing hardball back, the sycophants for the elite started whimpering just like those kids did.You lost! Suck it up! At least pretend you're a man. Mon 22 Mar 2010 01:15:22 GMT+1 timohio http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=26#comment13 re. 5. MarcusAureliusII:First it mandates that every American buy health insurance. This is unprecendented. Not really. Massachusetts has had a similar requirement for years. It was part of the health care package signed into law by a Republican governor, Mitt Romney. It has apparently survived any attacks because it's still in force. Do you bother to do any fact-checking before posting? Mon 22 Mar 2010 01:13:21 GMT+1 faeyth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=24#comment12 I feel Ripped off by A generation called Boomers who get to keep Private Insurance and get medicaid while forcing gen X to pay for 2 Generations that are bigger and out number us.Just as getting to be last generation to collect S.S. and Pensions which companies no longer offer from younger workers who won't receive them and ruining Bank regulations that affect 401Ks.I wanted a Public Option.I don't want to have to compensate for 1 generation who has made bad personal and government decisions. Mon 22 Mar 2010 00:58:29 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=22#comment11 Unlike what invariably happens in Europe when a government railroads legislation into law such as the enactment by fiat of the Lisbon Treaty by Gordon Brown, neither the opposition nor the people are going to roll over and play dead for this. This battle is far from over. Mon 22 Mar 2010 00:40:39 GMT+1 American Sport Fan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=20#comment10 Re 7The Hyde Amendment basically bans federal funding for abortion. So basically that will continue. There is no difference in that. Still the Vote is Now scheduled to take place around 10 pm, which means that perhaps it won't take place until midnight.I have to say that the President was able to wake up, and really went to work on this, doing what was necessarry to get the votes. I heard a commentator on MSNBC this afternoon say that 6 weeks or so when Scott Brown was elected to the Senate that passage of healthcare reform seemed as likely as Cornell making it to the Sweet Sixteen in the Men's NCAA tournament, and NOW they've both happened.Well I'm going to say this, if the Republicans think they can campaign on a platform of repealing healthcare, they've got to guess again. Even if they do take control of the Congress this fall they won't have the votes necessary to override an almost certain veto by the President. They're only hope is to win the Presidential election in 2012 Mon 22 Mar 2010 00:38:16 GMT+1 faeyth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=18#comment9 Oh i forgot about my parents getting S.S. pensions and a 401K all of which I won't get,because S.S. is running out of money,pensions are basically no longer offered and stock markets is a scam. Mon 22 Mar 2010 00:36:50 GMT+1 faeyth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=16#comment8 This post has been Removed Mon 22 Mar 2010 00:35:21 GMT+1 GH1618 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=14#comment7 I just don't get your Jesse Jackson analogy, Mr. Mardell. Mon 22 Mar 2010 00:21:45 GMT+1 frayedcat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=12#comment6 When I read the executive order, it looked to me like it wasn't doing more than re-enforcing the existing legislation called the Hyde Amendment. Neither 'doing' or 'undoing' the status quo on abortion funding legislation, which legislation is of course the realm of congress not the president. Mon 22 Mar 2010 00:16:13 GMT+1 American Sport Fan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=10#comment5 Re 4its a step in the right direction. We we're at a point were we couldn't afford NOT to do something. Mon 22 Mar 2010 00:14:24 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=8#comment4 It appears that this bill will pass the House. If it becomes law, the Attorney Generals of over 30 states have already prepared lawsuits against its constitutionality on several grounds. First it mandates that every American buy health insurance. This is unprecendented. It is not comparable to buying automobile insurance, there is no law requiring you to buy a car. Second, some states got sweetheart deals that treat their citizens differently from people in other states while unions got exemptions from taxes for their retired members who have Cadillac medical insurance plans while others don't. This inequitable federal law denies those who don't get these benefits even though their circumstances are otherwise identical their equal proection under due process of law. There may be others. If the bill becomes law with these provisions and is declared unconstitutional, I think the whole law goes down with it, not just the objectionable provisions. That was one objection, that this legislation was so poorly crafted. It had to be just to get it passed. This battle is far from over. Senior citizens won't like the fact that it robs Medicare to pay for this plan. I've heard Republicans throw numbers all over the place. Anywhere from 580 billion to 2.4 trillion in ten years. The government is in hock up to its eyeballs as it is. How can it possibly pay for it? Mon 22 Mar 2010 00:06:06 GMT+1 csgators http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=6#comment3 2. At 11:47pm on 21 Mar 2010, AmericanSportFan wrote:"Well it looks like we're going to get there and join with the other industrialized nations in providing our citizens Universal Healthcare. "How exactly is this bill universal health care? Mon 22 Mar 2010 00:05:11 GMT+1 TeaPot562 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=4#comment2 What a President can forbid by Executive Order, a President (the same one or a successor) can again authorize by excutive order. My fear on this is that the Bart Stupak bloc of Democrats were snookered on this issue. Anything for a "victory" for the Democratic party program. Only the current Medicare recipients (who will lose approx. $50 billion of financial reimbursements per year) and those medical providers who have been accepting reimbursements from Medicare & Medicaid for procedures that were furnished at a loss - and will have a new batch of the population transferred into the "loss" category, leading to a further cost shift to patients covered solely by private insurers, CAUSING THEM TO FURTHER INCREASE PREMIUMS (after obtaining permission from their various state insurance commissioners in states that regulate health insurance premiums) will suffer the cost transfers.Did I mention that the increased taxes for this program will be effective quite soon, whereas the benefits to health claimants will be postponed until 2014? Altogether, an unfortunate ending.TeaPot562 Mon 22 Mar 2010 00:01:55 GMT+1 American Sport Fan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=2#comment1 Well it looks like we're going to get there and join with the other industrialized nations in providing our citizens Universal Healthcare. Yet, until the vote actually Happens, I feel I must be cautious. As a wise old ballplayer once said, "It ain't over, till it's over." Sun 21 Mar 2010 23:47:48 GMT+1 shiveringofforgottenenemies http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/03/democrats_head_to_victory_afte.html?page=0#comment0 Wait a minute Mark! I've been watching the House live on CNN and the Republicans are NOT warning of government tyrany, a Euro-nanny state or an end to freedom. The Republicans are well-prepared and making SOUND arguements and pointing out the many flaws that could have been addressed, pointing to the amendments that they offered but which were refused. The Republicans quite frankly are looking good!The Democrats on the other hand are spewing forth the party line like so many good comrades! They are invoking everything from the civil rights marches of the '60'd to the creation of Social Security as if this TRAVESTY, this organized thievery, this TREACHERY is going to be remembered as anything but the WORST legislation passed by the WORST means by the WORST Congress in American history! Sun 21 Mar 2010 23:17:23 GMT+1