Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html en-gb 30 Tue 28 Apr 2015 10:27:58 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=99#comment208 squirrellist. I hear the old diplomat made some interesting comments;) Fri 27 Nov 2009 05:10:38 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=99#comment207 lol bere. PS that's what your kids tell you. So where are they Fri 27 Nov 2009 05:08:01 GMT+1 squirrelist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=98#comment206 There are some interesting things coming out of the London Iraq Inquiry. Worth looking at. Fri 27 Nov 2009 03:59:50 GMT+1 baroness http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=98#comment205 199: Oh my. I formed a clique of think-alike speak-alikes who tolerate no dissent? That is very funny. As for obvious, with some people it is necessary, as subtlety goes right over their heads.201: I know how to use a dictionary.202: We do not celebrate Thanksgiving. Some people choose not to take part in the collective celebration of meaningless externally-prescribed "holidays" but rather independently choose celebrations of their own that have personal meaning. This is not something easily understood by the general public, most of whom are afraid not to join in. See response to 199.Oh well, that's enough of that. Sometimes one is tempted to try something new to see if it really is no contest, but it quickly becomes a bore. To quote the prince of purple prose: "Ta ta, y'all." Fri 27 Nov 2009 01:36:50 GMT+1 Lord Nathan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=97#comment204 "We will be rid of him in 3 years and 2 months and will have a responsible leader who recognize that Israel's current borders are fair."Israel has neither orders nor a constitution. Fri 27 Nov 2009 01:27:59 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=97#comment203 ref 179-181Israel ignore our pathetic excuse for a Presiident, he is a disgrace.We will be rid of him in 3 years and 2 months and will have a responsible leader who recognize that Israel's current borders are fair. Fri 27 Nov 2009 00:59:28 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=96#comment202 ref #171It's not lying when you call out the Palestinians for choosing to be ruled by terrorists.THE PALESTINIANS DO NOT WANT PEACE AND DO NOT DESERVE A STATE. Fri 27 Nov 2009 00:57:42 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=96#comment201 Kid not make it home for T day.;(.hmmmm Fri 27 Nov 2009 00:37:50 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=95#comment200 PS baroness been calling people "Gentile "recently. still not accepting that to many it is offensive? Fri 27 Nov 2009 00:37:04 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=95#comment199 So " baroness"how would you change things?LOL colonel. I think some were chased over the border. but either way I say leave the drones alone. You know that. but there is a lot more happening in the USA and world than just the drone question. I have said several time how I think they are illegal.I brought up targeted assassinations as a crime. sure, but compared to what would have happened with Mc CAin, Palin. or Hillery (you just Know she was going to have leiberman as VP) would make hiim look like a softy. In fact that is the criticisms of him in the USA.That war in Pakistan is the same war as over the border. Both were wrong but started by all.(nato)You guys forget. we have only two choices and they both HAVE to be american;( Fri 27 Nov 2009 00:36:04 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=94#comment198 thought it was you bere. pretty obvious.And real funny considering YOU formed the clique Fri 27 Nov 2009 00:28:50 GMT+1 baroness http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=94#comment197 195: Just because someone twists your arm does not mean I have to let you twist mine or that I should have to play your game. Fri 27 Nov 2009 00:28:30 GMT+1 Lord Nathan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=93#comment196 "It seems Israel is now beginning to pay the price for biting the hand that feeds it."If wishes were horses....but we live in hope. Sadly, the track record provides scant encouragement.;-(Salaam/Shalom/Shanthi/Peace Fri 27 Nov 2009 00:21:21 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=93#comment195 Obama is given the nobel peace prize for his vision of peace, and hilary is praised for her realization that palestinian should be given a state on 67 borders...its the joke of the 21st century..Such things can be appreciated in the west..but in the rest of the world, people question the sanity of those who praise such things and those who say such things.. Fri 27 Nov 2009 00:18:15 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=92#comment194 Yes. But not all were united behind Bush. Some of us said it was a grievous mistake to attack a country that had not attacked us but our voices were drowned out by those seeking revenge at any cost.-------------------------------------------------------------------------I said, no yes and but, or a No, but...simple yes or no..For years the americans have been twisting muslims arms into answering them in "yes" or No, and now its your turn..I hope you do realise how difficult it is to answer in just yes or no, to even slightly complicated matters.. Fri 27 Nov 2009 00:09:10 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=92#comment193 Sure drones are crap. but then so is invading.The war was already in pakistan. It wasn't extended.you fib as much as the rightwing loonies(and them independs)I can tell you that america soldiers HAVE "not" crossed the border for several years now.-------------------------------------------------------------------------No, you are wrong, it wasnt in pakistan..it came after 2003, and those were just minor skirmishes, the war, the two wars first in swat and now in south waziristan came after Obama...They have not crossed the borders because then Pakistani military would have to fight with the american soldiers..And, those fighting against pakistani army, had openly said that if that happened, they would stop fighting against pakistani army and start fighting with them against the americans..See, actually, those so called militants are the gaurdians of pakistan northern borders..they have always had that role..thats why the country never had to worry about its northern frontiers..Obama has created this war in pakistan..the pakistani prime minister have already told his people that pakistan military cannot fight against american military..so he has submitted to allowing the drones..It was a choice between two evils and he chose the lesser of the two..No matter how obama or his citiziens try to wriggle out of this, the people who are pitched against each other, the taliban and military and the people whose areas are being used as battlefield, agree on one thing, that its the war imposed on them by usa..and by usa they dont mean the landscape but the people who govern it..they have nothing against the landscape of usa. Fri 27 Nov 2009 00:04:54 GMT+1 baroness http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=91#comment192 182: Yes.183: Case in point to my #176.184: I'm a vegetarian.185: Yes. But not all were united behind Bush. Some of us said it was a grievous mistake to attack a country that had not attacked us but our voices were drowned out by those seeking revenge at any cost. Fri 27 Nov 2009 00:01:03 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=91#comment191 colonel. the borders at 67. you would NEVER have got Hillery or Bush or Mc Cain to go for that. NEVER.You forget as many do in politics that the game IS two sided. Until that changes you have a simple choice.A or B. In our case we can decide who A and B are. Sure Obama is more aggressive in Pakistan.was, but at the same time he less aggressive in other areas that we really need to back away from. hell Clinton and the GOP were all for ratcheting the stakes with Russia. as a rule Impulsive people are impulsive. that is as close as you get to it there.Deliberation is not a bad thing. Thu 26 Nov 2009 23:55:33 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=90#comment190 israel wants abbas as the statless president of palestinians, Abbas said he wouldnt play the game anymore, after israel gave go ahead signel to more settlments both in west bank and jerusalam..so, they conviently froze some settlments in the westbank...Note, its in the west bank, not jerusalam....Every tom ,dick and harry palestinian and Hilary knows that within these ten months israel as it has done in the past, will create a situation and start building those frozen settlements..Right now, all israel needs is time to finish those settlements in jerusalam, in 10 months time they will have done it, and then they will focus on the forzoen settlemts in westbank..This has been the modus operandi of israel ever since they promised to not build anymore settlements back in in early 90s..the so called oslo agreement..And to be noted all this time every prime minister who has ruled israel, excpet those few yrs shortly after 9/11..have been making the same promise which hilary has just awoken too.. Thu 26 Nov 2009 23:54:40 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=90#comment189 yep colonel.you just like some freaks here.Sure drones are crap. but then so is invading.The war was already in pakistan. It wasn't extended. you fib as much as the rightwing loonies(and them independs)I can tell you that america soldiers HAVE "not" crossed the border for several years now. Thu 26 Nov 2009 23:48:44 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=89#comment188 Okay, I now understand where you are coming from - "where you are coming from" is sort of an idiom and unless English is your first language you probably won't understand the meaning of it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------You can try to teach me every idioms in english language but you would never see the those golden words ever again...You didnt answer my question..I didnt ask you to teach me idions in english..I have plenty of idioms from my own language plus a few more languages.. Thu 26 Nov 2009 23:44:28 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=89#comment187 PS no body is saying don't question Obama. they are saying stop repeating the old lies and get wise enough to see when you as a voter are being manipulated. By the right with a pile of rubbish.Oh sorry YOU didn't get enough quick enough did YOU.Sure he is not getting very far very quick, but then in one year he has done more positive things than the last 8 years put togeather. But don't worry You can undo it by rushing with childlike impatience.------------------------------------------------------------------------When it comes to the forgein policy related to the war against terror, he has done more than undone thing..He has sent more drones than bush, violating its own ally's soverinty. He is responsible for extending the war into pakistan. He has created both the leader and opposition leader in afghanistan, from the discarded noerthern alliance..To the americans he might seem to be far sighted and someone who thinks a lot before deciding someting, but to an outsider like me, he is just his sightness is relative to bush's..and he seems to be a slow thinker..a sort of mentally challanged person, as oppossed to bush who was impulsive and a risk taker..As a rule, impulsive risk takers are better than slow thinkers.. Thu 26 Nov 2009 23:38:21 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=88#comment186 Dceiler. yes it is good that she is showing she can follow orders if they are laid out clear enough to her.;)It is good news that they are showing a bit of push back and to the critics of Obama. He did good. he waited he gave them enough rope and they hung themselves. Keep complaining but don't forget. He who givith the rope can cause the choke. Obama has shown more political and diplomatic skill than any of hte other contenders. stop moaning try thinking.But you don't trust him. Fine. who do you trust.Show us the options that are better. than a guy who has just played Netyenyahoo like the fiddle he is.;)Agreed colonel.About the pakistani soldiers. we went there and just made it worse for them.;( sorry to them. Thu 26 Nov 2009 23:34:20 GMT+1 wolfvorkian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=88#comment185 colonelartist said:Golden words dont get repeated..I wrote what I wrote..too bad for you, that the words couldnt reach you.But, if you are an american, tell me, how do you justify the slavery and the slave trade of your ancestors.Okay, I now understand where you are coming from - "where you are coming from" is sort of an idiom and unless English is your first language you probably won't understand the meaning of it. Thu 26 Nov 2009 23:32:51 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=88#comment184 Demanding absolute conformity with any political leader is ridiculous.------------------------------------------------------------------------So you acknowldge the fact that when americans were united behind bush to go to war against afghanistan, they were collectively being ridiculous? The answer should be in YES or NO. No, yes, but...or No,but.. Thu 26 Nov 2009 23:28:14 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=87#comment183 Sorry enjoy Your turkey. Thu 26 Nov 2009 23:27:12 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=87#comment182 PS no body is saying don't question Obama. they are saying stop repeating the old lies and get wise enough to see when you as a voter are being manipulated. By the right with a pile of rubbish. Oh sorry YOU didn't get enough quick enough did YOU.Sure he is not getting very far very quick, but then in one year he has done more positive things than the last 8 years put togeather. But don't worry You can undo it by rushing with childlike impatience. SO baroness what would you do differently?As if we haven't heard it before. Thu 26 Nov 2009 23:26:22 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=86#comment181 176 wow baroness. You been reading here long? No forget it. How cozy is your clique? Thu 26 Nov 2009 23:18:39 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=86#comment180 Agreed about Hillary. HRC recently praised Israel for its joke of a settlement freeze a few weeks back as an 'unprecedented' move by them. However, as far as I know it is the first time a high ranking representative of the US government has acknowledged the goal of a viable Palestinian state based on the 1967 lines. It seems Israel is now beginning to pay the price for biting the hand that feeds it.-------------------------------------------------------------------------Its pathetic that it took 15 odd years for the self proclaimed mediator to mention for the first time a viable independent state based on 67 lines..What was the mediater trying to mediate if it didnt even know or what one side wanted..Her statement is not worth commenting..it should be ignored instead of being praised that after 15 yrs finally the mediatar realises the other party's demand..I think the appropriate response of decent and dignified people at her awakeing should be disgust,because she by saying this has simply acknowldged the fact that americans had no idea what palestinians were saying, and yet, these americans act as first class mediatars.. Thu 26 Nov 2009 23:07:11 GMT+1 dceilar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=85#comment179 Here's a good artcle by Daniel Levy that discusses this latest change in US mid-east policy. . . the new language came in Secretary Clinton's description of what American expects the outcome of negotiations to be - for an "independent and viable [Palestinian] state based on the 1967 lines". Senator Mitchell quoted Clinton in repeating the call for a Palestinian state "based on the 67 lines." Thu 26 Nov 2009 22:58:14 GMT+1 dceilar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=85#comment178 #178 colonelAgreed about Hillary. HRC recently praised Israel for its joke of a settlement freeze a few weeks back as an 'unprecedented' move by them. However, as far as I know it is the first time a high ranking representative of the US government has acknowledged the goal of a viable Palestinian state based on the 1967 lines. It seems Israel is now beginning to pay the price for biting the hand that feeds it. Thu 26 Nov 2009 22:50:36 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=84#comment177 175. At 10:18pm on 26 Nov 2009, dceilar wrote:It now seems that the US government is seeking the Palestinian goal of an independent and viable state based on the 1967 lines.Something to be thankful for.------------------------------------------------------------------------She is the wife of the husband who tried to twist arafat's arms into signing the worse deal for the palestinians, and when arafat refused, threatened to shift american embassy to Jerusalam..It would have been better that she had kept quiet because her statement is full of lies, if I can decode that the present once again jewish offer to freeze settlement is because they along with america, wants abbas to be re-elected, dont want him to take the state question to UN... Thu 26 Nov 2009 22:36:34 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=84#comment176 What I dont understand is that the same obama had no problem with time when he forced the pakistani military to go to war in south waziristan at a very unsuitable time without taking into consideration that men in pakistani army also have families who also dont want their sons, and fathers to die, while he takes Budha like thinking style to decide how and when he should send his own soldiers. And whats more disgusting and it is digusting that not once he or anyone from or within usa have thanked or appreciated the efforts of 30.000 pakistani soldiers who are fighting to make situation easy for the american troops..NATO and america goes all emotional hyper at the thought of sending a few hundred or a few thousand soldiers to war which was started by them, and everyone is pretending that pakistani soldiers and young officers who are dying is something that doesnt concern them..The un-written un-spoken ally of NATO whose soldiers have made the most sacrifce in this war is the pakistani army and its about time that people acknowldge this fact. Thu 26 Nov 2009 22:26:31 GMT+1 baroness http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=83#comment175 There seems to be a cozy clique of posters on this site who will tolerate no disagreement with any of Obama's decisions, policies, or actions, even from those who in general support and voted for Obama. Some in this clique appear to be British citizens living in the UK and it is odd that they wish to deny Americans living in the US the right to have differences with their own President. There is no discernible difference between those who would insist that all walk and speak in lockstep with Obama and those who labeled as unpatriotic the opponents of Bush's policies. Demanding absolute conformity with any political leader is ridiculous. Viciously attacking those who do not conform to the mindset of the clique is thoroughly obnoxious. Thu 26 Nov 2009 22:24:27 GMT+1 dceilar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=83#comment174 It now seems that the US government is seeking the Palestinian goal of an independent and viable state based on the 1967 lines.Something to be thankful for. Thu 26 Nov 2009 22:18:04 GMT+1 Lord Nathan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=82#comment173 Stu, "It appears the common letter "Q" was not a very good reason to go to war."No, you've got it wrong. It's all about the common letters 'IRA' Thu 26 Nov 2009 22:07:00 GMT+1 RAHIM GUL http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=82#comment172 Obama being President of USA 2009 is commited to change America in accordence with American public opinion, for which he has been elected.CHANGE aimed at replacing old imperialistic behaviours with true democratic values in world politics. His remarkable victory is the result of resentment against Bush's barbaric wars against Iraq and Afghanistan. Sending more Army to Afghanistan mean adding more fuel to the fire and continue further Bush's policy of deaths and destructions in this region. I, being a trible, in FATA, am an eye wittness of this thirty years long war,in this region. Afghanistan is completely destroyed while Pakistan is now on the track and the region is being intentionally pushed in to the hands of war lords. Here in this region every one is of the view that USA and Alqaida-Taliban are the two faces of the same coin and both are responsible for these thirty years long wars in this region. Thirty years back in FATA and Afghanistan only 303 rifle was a major weapon, owned by few influential, pro British elders in different areas while for rest of the vast majority it was just a dream. Today, with the blessings of this, civilized West, particularly USA and UK and in the East, the then USSR, made this region and its people, a battle front, in their war, for their specific global interests. Today after thirty years, young generation has been left with only one option,either live with hunger and humiliation or join these warlords to get huge dollars. Today, here wars and killings, is routine problem and main lucrative business. Presently thousands of miscreants are associated with this death merchandise therefore anti US forces in this region have put huge resources at their disposal and the region has been made a bleeding wound for the allied forces in Afghanistan.In such a situation sending more Army to Afghanistan mean pushing more deeply in quagmire. I hope Obama understand this reality therefore he is hesitant in following the foot steps of Bush. Reports regarding back channel diplomacy between USA and Alqaida-Taliban is a ray of hope for us all trible in FATA.Reconciliation between the two might put an end to our three decades long war of the big ones in World Politics. two Thu 26 Nov 2009 21:27:04 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=81#comment171 PS will someone tell this stupid program that I am not a new member;) I've always been one. Thu 26 Nov 2009 19:19:05 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=81#comment170 This post has been Removed Thu 26 Nov 2009 19:15:45 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=80#comment169 GherkinLOL"If you mock Palin's qualification how can you support Obama's when her resume was superior."OK gherkin is it that you do not understand what a resume is or what superior means? Thu 26 Nov 2009 19:06:09 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=80#comment168 148 Why would she have made a better VP?What has Biden done that is so wrong. wht has she done so right. she wears pant suits. Who cares. Why. It is hard to follow your reasoning if there is none seanspa. Thu 26 Nov 2009 19:04:24 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=79#comment167 141.Well, she did serve in the senate, she was the top canidate for the democratic nomination and she was involved in Bill Clinton's decisions from the beginning.Actually, she has quite a lot more experience than Obama. Also, if you count making a decision worth something is did quite a lot more of that. Check out Obama's voting record, he voted 'present' more often than saying yes or no. It seems he's angling for the same thing here.Not sure how you think I'm a bit fake? What is my logic troubles you?"------------------------------------------------ Yep yous a fake. LOL---- "logic" SHE VOTED FOR THE WAR TO GET VOTES What part of unacceptable do you not understand?What part of self centred cow did you miss?What decisions.Abstension is a perfectly rightous responce to politics one is not happy with. nor obstructive enought o say no. Thjat is what we need in america. but from both sides. we get it from Obama. we didn't get it from Hillery. Then there is the sale of every industry to china that the "clintons" presided over. tehn there was the lack of effort on Global warming. There were alot of reasons Hillery proved to be unsuitable. her claims of "experience" were false she didn't get shot at by snipers. And here is the biggest deal. That you missed it doesn't surprise me.She opened the xenophobic racism up. She made those racists that had kept quiet jump up and say" she's just like me" she played it and played it hard. Her campaign started the birthers. they started the Hussain comments. She tried to use the racism of voters to get her place. Actively tried.What "logic" do you have? Obama has not managed to do what he wanted so she would have been better? do you think the republicans would have picked Sara if Hillery was the Dem choice? probably not. too obvious , even for them. Do you think I would have gone out to vote for Her. Sure as hell not.Not if the GOP had picked almost anyone over Palin.She too used racism to get where she is.They both lost as a result.VVVvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv"Well, she did serve in the senate, she was the top canidate for the democratic nomination and she was involved in Bill Clinton's decisions from the beginning.Actually, she has quite a lot more experience than Obama. Also, if you count making a decision worth something is did quite a lot more of that."^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^She was shooed into the senate, she did little. maybe she would have been better voting "present" than "sure lets trash america".her decisions with bill are only hers if they worked out if they failed it was bills fault, but she screwed up the healthcare bill way back then.Please do try to back your point up with an example of her great decision making.See you don't try. you say Obama is bad, Hillery is good. I at least tell you WHY I think she was crap. The clintons KILLED the american economy. They were DAMN lucky there was a tech surge while they were in. but even that proved a bit frothy. Thu 26 Nov 2009 19:02:20 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=79#comment166 Baron" Bush's tactics in the initial part of the war proved to be quite effective" you mean the bit where he let the SAS do the work?Colonel. the reason Obama cannot bring about the change you want is because some like you and maybe me make them turkeys in america feel like they just want to kill someone. I know they are crazy and mad.Have no doubt of it. that is why it is best to allow those few that are earnest for peace to do some work. they can't do it if the wrongs are screaming "I'm scared "the whole time. Thu 26 Nov 2009 18:46:06 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=78#comment165 129 dominick I would add that the original sexed up Brit report on the weapons said a mall "may" tat was taken as positive. that is the same problem we have here so often. someone says may be wrong and someone else craps on about how it is not wrong for three days.GW and Dick just read it "their way"back to my 'Words mean something' issues with many americans self absorbed version of communication. I would add I hold him personally responsible as the president. and think he should be tried (GWB). as with the certain UC CEO.But america is arranged that the top are more protected, as is commoon in democratic states.(and non democratic states) Thu 26 Nov 2009 18:39:19 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=78#comment164 Has Israel been on the U.N Security council? Is the red star recognized equally with the red crescent by the IRC, do regional entities allow Israel membership, the fact that Israeli leaders are threatened with arrest by overeaching Europeans judges while Iranain thugs like Achmediajiad and others can claim diplomatic imunity.-------------------------------------------------------------------------The fact the israeli leaders are threatened with arrest is due to their occupation and what they do to palestinians...It wasnt Ahemdi who killed thousands of palestinians in refugee camps, it was Sharon rip van winkle who used druz to kill them...As far as Ahemdi is concerned, he was one of the only two student leaders who oppossed the hostage taking of americans staff in Iran...No one likes to mention it though.. Thu 26 Nov 2009 18:21:14 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=77#comment163 colonelartist said:I have written nothing wrong in this post.it was a reply and an extension to the post 134, Post 134 is an imagery of the third world by a western and my post was a reality of a third worlder about the first world.Why don't you try again and I answer if I can understand what your point is. ------------------------------------------------------------------------Golden words dont get repeated..I wrote what I wrote..too bad for you, that the words couldnt reach you.But, if you are an american, tell me, how do you justify the slavery and the slave trade of your ancestors.. Thu 26 Nov 2009 18:15:07 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=77#comment162 Fluffytale, There is an art to discuss isralian occupation issue..To the point and with no room for your opponent to drag you into the useless discussion...Each israeli move should be seen in the context of situation that has occured in the recent past...Now, the recent past is,abbas saying he will not stand in the next election and even more important, him saying he will take unilaterly the statehood question to the UN...if he takes this to UN, countries would have to openly show their loyalities...america will veto it, and loose the fasade of being an earnet mediator..Israel will either have to accept the state or bring back its forces to gaza and west bank..So, it opted for something which it has done before, freezing of settlements mumbo jumbo...this will help americans and EU to put pressure on Abbas to stand for elections, and stop him from taking the question to UN..This is only purpose of the once again promise of freezing of settlements.. Thu 26 Nov 2009 17:51:07 GMT+1 David Murrell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=77#comment161 Magic – I don’t have to address any double standards that may exist. I do not like how any of the Arab, Persian or Jewish states are run, all of them have a tendency to ignore international opinion, and to treat people not of their chosen religion and/or ideology as lesser citizens. Not all Palestinians are jihadist Islamic extremists, not all Palestinians are even Muslim, yet even the Christian Palestinians are treated with them same disregard by Israel. I have heard stories from non-Palestinian Christians as well who get treated badly, say for instance over water rights. Israel is a theocratic state, I have little respect for any theocratic state including the Christian ones, even a democratic one. Thu 26 Nov 2009 15:47:36 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=76#comment160 ref #160No Sharon was found negligible for not doing enough to stop the deaths, an entirely different situation.But you have refuse to address the double standards aggainst Israel and the fact that Palestinians and Arab states refuse to make any concessions.Say like turning over terrorists given sanctuary in their countires. Have Nazarallah brought to Israel as the war criminal he is. Thu 26 Nov 2009 14:52:34 GMT+1 David Murrell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=76#comment159 Magic – Sorry then the Israeli government (via the Kahan Commission) who found Ariel Sharon (11th Prime Minister) responsible for the Sabra & Shatila massacre share a similar bias. I suppose the massacre of 328 to 3,500 civilians is okay since they were ‘only’ Palestinians. Ariel Sharon should have faced more criticism and judgement for allowing the massacre to take place.In any case I take no issue with the charge that I am biased against the State of Israel, I am just as biased against Islamic organisations and governments that use religion and ethnicity as a basis of rule and discrimination. Actually you can count my bias against any organisation or government that uses religion as a basis of action against others. Thu 26 Nov 2009 14:16:23 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=75#comment158 ref #157, David Murrell wrote:Magic – I am not a fan of Israel (government), I think members of its leadership have committed acts that they should be brought to justice for._____________That you equate a democratic goverment with a terrorist group shows your bias. There is nothing that Israel has done that is a crime, unless the Israeli people want to put their leaders on trial for not being more assertive in defense of their nation. Thu 26 Nov 2009 13:45:04 GMT+1 RomeStu http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=75#comment157 156. powermeerkat wrote:"I can understand that there are plenty of people who can't tell a difference between, say, al-Qaida and Quds."There were alot who couldn't tell the different between IRAQ and Al-Qaeda as well!It appears the common letter "Q" was not a very good reason to go to war. Thu 26 Nov 2009 13:02:46 GMT+1 David Murrell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=74#comment156 Magic – I am not a fan of Israel (government), I think members of its leadership have committed acts that they should be brought to justice for. Then again I am equally not a fan of the Palestinian authorities, since they are little more than terrorists and thugs in the main. As for Iran the same goes for its government, especially its egotist president, though other than holocaust denial I am not sure what action he has taken which would require him to be put on trial. Do I hate Israelis, no I have worked with more than a few, I don’t necessarily agree with their political viewpoint, then again the same goes for many of the Brits I work with. Do I hate the Palestinians, no the average citizen of the Occupied Territories I actually feel generally sorry for, they get treated as second class citizens for being born in the wrong place and the wrong racial group. As for Iranians, like Palestinians, I never have never worked with any but the general rank and file seem nice enough people. I do know an Iraqi, his family suffered terribly during the first Gulf War up to the point that his mother starved to death. They didn’t support Saddam, for one thing they were wealthy Christians, but that’s sometimes what happens when your country starts wars.Meerkat – Does not surprise me, this is from the MI5 website: “The Security Service (MI5) is responsible for protecting the United Kingdom against threats to national security”. While this comes from the MI6 one: “As Britain's secret service, SIS provides the British Government with a global covert capability to promote and defend the national security and economic well-being of the United Kingdom.”The SIS (the actual name of MI6) states one of its objectives is the monitoring the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Thu 26 Nov 2009 12:08:28 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=74#comment155 I can understand that there are plenty of people who can't tell a difference between, say, al-Qaida and Quds. Or Hezbollah and Hamas.Or KGB and FSB.But British subjects who cannot tell a difference between MI5 and MI6? Thu 26 Nov 2009 11:43:30 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=73#comment154 ref #154 David Murrell wrote:Magic – So all Palestinians (a Semite racial group) should be treated as pariahs for the actions of a few.Sorry what is the prejudice against a Semitic is called what again? I am sure one of the regular posters mentions this name every so often.Also still standing by the MI5 justification for the Iraqi invasion are we Magic?_____________--Lets get the nitpicking out of the way sorry about MI6 vs MI5O.K mea culpaWell you seem to be ok with worldwide restrictions on Israel. Has Israel been on the U.N Security council? Is the red star recognized equally with the red crescent by the IRC, do regional entities allow Israel membership, the fact that Israeli leaders are threatened with arrest by overeaching Europeans judges while Iranain thugs like Achmediajiad and others can claim diplomatic imunity. Thu 26 Nov 2009 11:41:44 GMT+1 David Murrell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=73#comment153 Magic – So all Palestinians (a Semite racial group) should be treated as pariahs for the actions of a few.Sorry what is the prejudice against a Semitic is called what again? I am sure one of the regular posters mentions this name every so often.Also still standing by the MI5 justification for the Iraqi invasion are we Magic? Thu 26 Nov 2009 11:05:21 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=72#comment152 ref #144 fluffytale wrote:"Israel just made a generous concession on the settlement issue, lets see the Arab states reciprocate and contribute something instead of being the side of No peace!"LOL sure they did . they were offered another Israeli ultimatum."accept this deal! we offer you a freeze on building on your land ,so you should be grateful if we build on their bit of land."Take from one palestinian while promising the other to be left alone. Then 20 years later. "forget that freeze. If you want to live in peace let us build on their land over there and don't complain"a deal designed to promote division between the people of Gaza and the west bank and Jerusalem.A divisive tactic that some suckers like you fall for every time.A time honoured tactic.So obvious to even the simplest political observer.but it got you good.But then it doesn't take a lot.and while you crap on the soldiers that will evict Israeli Arabs or arabs in occupied territories refuse to evict jewish settlers that have refused to leave their illegal even under Israeli law settlements.Gherkin. you consistently remain totally absurd.___________________---No Fluff brain you are the one who gets fooled by Arab proaganda. that stance is given in to all our demands and than we come to the table. Israel has made sacrifices name a sacrifice the other side has made.they started the war and contnue the terrorism. The Palestinians should be treated as a pariah group because their actions show they have no desire for peace.It is time for the world to stop coddeling them and if that means the Palestinians have to suffer too bad.The arab states could put pressure to release the political prisonor Shaliet without releasing thousand of Plaestinian terrorists, but they refuse to do this.Onece again you expect one standard for Israel while allowing the Palestianians and other terrorists free reign.Go back to your soul mate another terrorist supporter George Galloway. Thu 26 Nov 2009 10:52:05 GMT+1 David Murrell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=72#comment151 Squirrel – I remember when the building was opened and the news crew stood on the opposite bank of the Thames, saying they could say where the new MI6 HQ was, while every so often glancing over their shoulder. Subtle British media at its best! Thu 26 Nov 2009 10:12:08 GMT+1 wolfvorkian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=71#comment150 colonelartist said: I have written nothing wrong in this post.it was a reply and an extension to the post 134, Post 134 is an imagery of the third world by a western and my post was a reality of a third worlder about the first world.Why don't you try again and I answer if I can understand what your point is. Thu 26 Nov 2009 09:17:50 GMT+1 squirrelist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=71#comment149 149. David Murrell:MI6 has got a very sexy building on the Thames in Vauxhall, too. (it starred in one of the Bond films as well.) At least I like it.(Apropos of nothing much.) Thu 26 Nov 2009 09:11:34 GMT+1 David Murrell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=70#comment148 Magic – Sorry to burst your bubble about relying on MI5 for supporting a war on Iraq, but there are two rather major issues. One: The current British inquiry is putting flesh on the bones of what was really already known, the British intelligence agencies had no real evidence to support the invasion, indeed from 2001 Iraq was not regarded as a serious threat, rated behind Syria and Iran. 10 days before the war started they told Blair that the evidence supplied to support the invasion was suspect. This of course ignores the fact that they had already been told to rewrite their reports as they were not sexy enough!Two: MI5’s remit would not cover gaining information for an invasion. MI5 deals with internal security, it’s sister organisation MI6 is the one that deals with foreign matters (the one Bond is meant to belong to).Other than that yes I would also trust MI5 to tell the PM when to go to war! Thu 26 Nov 2009 08:14:05 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=70#comment147 #145. What you say about clinton is true. And she would still have made a better VP than biden. Thu 26 Nov 2009 06:35:55 GMT+1 Baron http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=69#comment146 145. PS Clinton as VP over Biden. why exactly. other than sexist comments. tell me why. tell me of her longer serving. what about her great time as VP for Bill. oh she wasn't . She had No experience.Well, she did serve in the senate, she was the top canidate for the democratic nomination and she was involved in Bill Clinton's decisions from the beginning. Actually, she has quite a lot more experience than Obama. Also, if you count making a decision worth something is did quite a lot more of that. Check out Obama's voting record, he voted 'present' more often than saying yes or no. It seems he's angling for the same thing here.Not sure how you think I'm a bit fake? What is my logic troubles you? Thu 26 Nov 2009 03:34:35 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=69#comment145 gherkin."WAR GAMES" Lol so that was what GW ws doing when he decided to attack Iraq before there was any evidnce? bull. Thu 26 Nov 2009 03:10:26 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=68#comment144 Baron Of course you would disagree. NO KIDDING!PS Clinton as VP over Biden. why exactly. other than sexist comments. tell me why. tell me of her longer serving. what about her great time as VP for Bill. oh she wasn't . She had No experience. she had experience of back stabbing. then there was her attempt to "NOT" draw race into the election that allowed Palin and the dinosaurs to start running.tell me she didn't say "obliterate Iran" . I know DC and a few others liked her but seriously she got turned down.but the reason I know you to be a bit of a fake is simple. Hillery used the war to seem hawkish. She used the lives of american soldiers and innocent people in Afghanistan and Iraq to justify her claim to be tough. And you say she was not blinded by political goggles compared to Obama that said 'seems like a stupid war' and now "he" (as some who really do give themselves away when they use it) has spent some time considering how to proceed now THEY screwed it all up he is to be further derided for being too political. Hillery could have said NO to the war. She didn't. Your Logic completely fails you or your memory is fading, or you tell no truth. which is it? Thu 26 Nov 2009 03:08:34 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=68#comment143 "Israel just made a generous concession on the settlement issue, lets see the Arab states reciprocate and contribute something instead of being the side of No peace!"LOL sure they did . they were offered another Israeli ultimatum. "accept this deal! we offer you a freeze on building on your land ,so you should be grateful if we build on their bit of land."Take from one palestinian while promising the other to be left alone. Then 20 years later. "forget that freeze. If you want to live in peace let us build on their land over there and don't complain" a deal designed to promote division between the people of Gaza and the west bank and Jerusalem. A divisive tactic that some suckers like you fall for every time. A time honoured tactic.So obvious to even the simplest political observer.but it got you good.But then it doesn't take a lot.and while you crap on the soldiers that will evict Israeli Arabs or arabs in occupied territories refuse to evict jewish settlers that have refused to leave their illegal even under Israeli law settlements.Gherkin. you consistently remain totally absurd. Thu 26 Nov 2009 02:55:30 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=67#comment142 141 you're still here and so are we. so I suspect 3 years however many months will be pure joy compared to your postings for a day. Thu 26 Nov 2009 02:44:14 GMT+1 american grizzly http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=67#comment141 Well Iraq and Afghanistan (who coined that phrase the graveyard of empires?). Both seem such a waste. Of both blood and money. I see some usual members of Nato taking the brunt. I also heard that 30,000 Nato troops were requested from other (the ones that don't take the heat)nations. I haven't heard any more on that lately has anyone? Maybe Northern Yemen will be the next hot spot, has any North Korean ships docked there lately? Face it the world is a mess. Now radicals are being born everywhere in the name of Jihad. Isn't Brussels now like 25 percent Islamic in population. Are they assimulating? I remember the Saudi Arabian American ambassador stating upon replacing leaders in the middle east states "They would rather have nine hundred and ninety nine years of tyranny, than one year of instability." So take the pin out of the map there and place it somewhere else. What a waste of brave soldiers and money. Let them sort out their own messes in their own backyards. Besides Israel has well over 200 nuclear devices, I sure they would send one to Iran if it did what it says it would do from its bombastic leaders often say. Bring the troops home enough is enough. Thu 26 Nov 2009 01:39:37 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=66#comment140 ref #117 frayedcat wrote:#117 Well, one refreshing change is that apparently it only took GWB 3 weeks to plan and declare war on Afghanistan, and Palin took less than a blink to determine she was fit to lead the Country, I kind of like a guy who ponders weighty matters for a bit, and maybe reads up on it jez a little.________________-If you mock Palin's qualification how can you support Obama's when her resume was superior. But the American people have seen what happens when unqualified community orginizer gets the job, there will be a shift to experience and resume.3 years and 2 months till we are rid of Obama can the world survive him? Wed 25 Nov 2009 23:51:13 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=66#comment139 ref #138colonelartist wrote:Israel just made a generous concession on the settlement issue, lets see the Arab states reciprocate and contribute something instead of being the side of No peace!------------------------------------------------------------------------I suggest you limit your "lets see" to just lets see if this is enough to make Abbas change his mind about not taking part in the next elections in the stateless beseiged areas. _________________-And I suggest you acknowledge that Arab nations like Egypt and the Gulf State have not put enough pressure to make concessions to Israel. Wed 25 Nov 2009 23:26:50 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=66#comment138 136. At 9:35pm on 25 Nov 2009, you wrote:This comment is awaiting moderation. Explain. ------------------------------------------------------------------------I have written nothing wrong in this post.it was a reply and an extension to the post 134, Post 134 is an imagery of the third world by a western and my post was a reality of a third worlder about the first world. Wed 25 Nov 2009 23:01:50 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=65#comment137 Israel just made a generous concession on the settlement issue, lets see the Arab states reciprocate and contribute something instead of being the side of No peace!------------------------------------------------------------------------I suggest you limit your "lets see" to just lets see if this is enough to make Abbas change his mind about not taking part in the next elections in the stateless beseiged areas. Wed 25 Nov 2009 22:57:53 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=65#comment136 To all those bashing the CIA,MI5 and Mossad they do more for world peace than the U.N ever has. And those 3 nations have contyributed more to the world than the entire Arab league or group of non alligned nations.Israel just made a generous concession on the settlement issue, lets see the Arab states reciprocate and contribute something instead of being the side of No peace! Wed 25 Nov 2009 21:46:44 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=64#comment135 Get a passport and go live in a 3rd world country for awhile. It doesn't really make much difference where you go, they are all pretty much the same in most regards. Written law is meaningless and corruption rules,The economic system is basically a few monopolies controlled totally by the elite. Class or even caste are very important and the countries can best be defined as a bunch of fiefdoms rather than a nation and on and on.After a few months, if by no other means than osmosis, you'll realize that nation building or whatever it is that Bush and Obama have and are trying is a fool's errand.-------------------------------------------------------------------------Corrupt attracks other corrupts, in those, few months you will have plenty of time to also realise but which you will not realise, is that every corrupt person has some sort of ties with the west..Ever wonder why people like karzai and musharaff get so easily attracted to the western leaders? they see a great potential in a joint corruption.. Wed 25 Nov 2009 21:35:35 GMT+1 Baron http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=64#comment134 105. Baron yOu and all the right seem to forget this.MC CAIN PICKED A HALF WITT BIMBO FOR VP.I am not on the right Mr. Fluff. I think both VP canidates were poor. Mrs. Clinton was a much better choice for VP and somelike Romney for the Republicans. I choose not to be on any line in your political spectrum because it blinds one to what has happened and what is happening. Rather than using logic to understand events everything is seen through political googles if you will and it colors or distorts reality.This also has a profound influence on the leadership. I believe Obama will make a political calculation instead of doing what he would like and that is to leave Afghanistan. If a president can not lead his troops or does not trust in their mission he should leave. Naturally, there are consiquences to such an action, but it should be the outcome.One last thing, to the argument that Bush II decided to invade Afghanistan I would kindly disagree, it was pretty obvious the terrorists where allowed to train under the Taliban's wing. When the requests to stop the camps and turn over binLaden were rebuffed all US presidents would have gone into Afghanistan. Bush's tactics in the initial part of the war proved to be quite effective. Again, it was when the more conventional bit of the war was over and the guerilla type conflict began that problems arose. Yes Bush II had a decision, but with bin Laden going on the airwaves to take responsiblity there was no alternative. If you think Bush tricked the congress he also tricked NATO and many countries around the world first for Afghanistan and then less so with Iraq II.Questions to consider:1. Should Bush have been more upfront with Americans and pledged American commitment in Iraq for a minimum of 30-50 years and Afghanistan for 75-100 years? (Perhaps letting Americans know it was going to take blood, sweat tears and perseverence is a more honest way to approach these wars?)2. If Obama chooses a half-measure will it result just another ramping up of the war without a clear mission (but an exit strategy) have the result of intensifying the war? And if this war gets ugly as a result, will Obama do as so many democrats have done in the past and pin his foreign hopes on a bloody war? I sincerely hope Obama makes a real, not half-decision based on politics. Wed 25 Nov 2009 21:21:13 GMT+1 wolfvorkian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=63#comment133 Here is a suggestion on how a person can figure out if this Afghanistan endeavor makes even a tad of sense from any perspective.Get a passport and go live in a 3rd world country for awhile. It doesn't really make much difference where you go, they are all pretty much the same in most regards. Written law is meaningless and corruption rules,The economic system is basically a few monopolies controlled totally by the elite. Class or even caste are very important and the countries can best be defined as a bunch of fiefdoms rather than a nation and on and on.After a few months, if by no other means than osmosis, you'll realize that nation building or whatever it is that Bush and Obama have and are trying is a fool's errand. Wed 25 Nov 2009 21:06:20 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=63#comment132 #120: " Mossad, CIA and MI5 are a potential threat to the world."Of course. Unlike al-Qaida, Taliban and Quds.------------------------------------------------------------------------Actually if you see the facts...you will see that the axis of reputable intelligence services, mossad, cia and mi5 are potential threat to the world...there targets are global, they are the cause for the creation of alqaida, taliban and anyother so called terrorist organization... Wed 25 Nov 2009 20:40:33 GMT+1 Interestedforeigner http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=62#comment131 129. At 7:40pm on 25 Nov 2009, DominickVila wrote:"W's decision was a cynical, calculated and immoral act that ought to go down in the annals of history as one of the most corrupt ever taken by a world leader."_________ You might think so. It is a sad comment on human history that I rather doubt it would make it into the top 1000. It might not even make it into the top 100 in the last century.Keep in mind that even Joseph Stalin only gets the bronze medal for evil in the 20th Century. When you measure against that yardstick, these guys don't get out of little league.__________While I was thinking about President Obama's upcoming speech at Annapolis on Afghanistan, I was reminded of a piece I heard a long time ago on "As It Happens" on CBC Radio. It was about a "ferret" contest. As might be expected, the contest was held in some place in England, such-and-so-many miles from Reading.The point of the contest was to see how many ferrets you could hide in your pants, and, once there, how long you could stand to have ferrets in your trousers.And these guys are all concerned about winning.Or chickening out.Cause you wouldn't want anybody to think you're a loser.But I'm thinking "What kind of loser wants to walk around with ferrets in his pants?"And I'm thinking "what are they doing in the contest in the first place?"Why would you want to boast about your ability to keep a stiff upper lip with a pack of ferrets in your pants?Like, "Get a life" maybe?Yeah, a lot of like the War in Afghanistan.But I'm bettin' that you don't choose Annapolis as the location for the speech if you intend to declare that you are getting the ferrets out of your pants, and you don't understand what possessed you to put them there in the first place. Wed 25 Nov 2009 20:32:00 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=62#comment130 #120: " Mossad, CIA and MI5 are a potential threat to the world."Of course. Unlike al-Qaida, Taliban and Quds. Wed 25 Nov 2009 20:12:32 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=61#comment129 W's decision was a cynical, calculated and immoral act that ought to go down in the annals of history as one of the most corrupt ever taken by a world leader. -------------------------------------------------------------------------His decision might be cynical or calculated and immoral but the act of war could never have happened without the blessing of your congress or senate..They voted for the war..stop trying to make him look like a first class dictator and stop trying to act as if you lived under dictatorship under bush..You are leaving behind the people of pakistan under dictator general perveiz or afghanistanis under karzai, when you complain like this..it was a joint decision..In democracy, majority makes the decision and the minority has to accept it, and support it..that was the modus operandi of the americans through out the war, and now all of a sudden in th year 2009 of your lord jesus christ, you are trying to wriggle out of all the responsiblities by trying to portray bush as the first class dictator, and americans as the first class citizens of that dictator..You are even leaving behind saddam hussian and iraqis during his regime.. Wed 25 Nov 2009 20:10:01 GMT+1 SaintDominick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=61#comment128 Ref 118, Magic"Evey reputable intelligence service from CIA to Mi5 to Mossad saw investigations that Hussein was trying to develop nuclear and biological weapons."Mossad will say and do whatever is in the best interest of Israel, therefore, their opinion should not be taken seriously.Not every intelligence agency confirmed the existence of nuclear or biological weapons in Iraq prior to W's decision to attack and destroy that country. In fact, our own CIA tried desperately to remove a comment on that subject from W's State of the Union address, only to see it put back in by Dick "college deferment" Cheney. UN IAEA inspectors confirmed, repeatedly and publicly, that there was no evidence of WMDs and that they had, in fact, destroyed all the WMDs that the Reagan Administration provided to Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war. Germany and France were also clear on their opposition to war and in their assertions that Iraq was not a threat to anyone. Our response was "freedom fries" and other childish retorts.Your hero decided to invade and destroy the infrastructure of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, and remove a secular regime that was a former ally to the US from power, to transform himself into a war hero to guarantee his re-election, deliver an object lesson to the Islamic world, establish a robust military presence in the Persian Gulf, and reward the US corporations that funded his presidential campaign with unlimited business opportunities.W's decision was a cynical, calculated and immoral act that ought to go down in the annals of history as one of the most corrupt ever taken by a world leader. Wed 25 Nov 2009 19:40:25 GMT+1 masoodi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=60#comment127 This post has been Removed Wed 25 Nov 2009 19:39:23 GMT+1 frayedcat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=60#comment126 #123...not to be too harsh, as Vonnegut said, 'If you can do a half-a$$ed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind.' Wed 25 Nov 2009 19:32:56 GMT+1 masoodi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=59#comment125 please see website of taliban www.alemarah.info/english Wed 25 Nov 2009 19:32:08 GMT+1 masoodi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=59#comment124 www.alemarah.info/english Wed 25 Nov 2009 19:30:33 GMT+1 frayedcat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=58#comment123 #123 - Ah...then you must be in politics...or a working mother...or a public school student...or an NFL quarterback... Wed 25 Nov 2009 19:28:29 GMT+1 arclightt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=58#comment122 @119: I sure wouldn't want the job of anticipating the worst men can do. If I miss an event, I am castigated for failing; if I try extra hard not to, I get sneered at. Now that's certainly a rewarding career... Wed 25 Nov 2009 19:14:05 GMT+1 dceilar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=57#comment121 #118 Speaking of mossad, what are they up to training its people how to plant car bombs !!? Shouldn't they be classed as a terrorist organisation? Wed 25 Nov 2009 19:00:32 GMT+1 frayedcat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=57#comment120 #117 Well, one refreshing change is that apparently it only took GWB 3 weeks to plan and declare war on Afghanistan, and Palin took less than a blink to determine she was fit to lead the Country, I kind of like a guy who ponders weighty matters for a bit, and maybe reads up on it jez a little. Wed 25 Nov 2009 18:55:45 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=56#comment119 Evey reputable intelligence service from CIA to Mi5 to Mossad saw investigations that Hussein was trying to develop nuclear and biological weapons.-------------------------------------------------------------------------And every non reputable intelligence even the non reputable UN inspectors questioned the investigations and proofs of reputable services CIAm, MI5 and Mossad..Its time you accept the simple but very hurful truth that these three intelligence services are not reputable after all..The Axis of reputable services, Mossad, CIA and MI5 are a potential threat to the world. Wed 25 Nov 2009 18:54:59 GMT+1 frayedcat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=56#comment118 #116 Ah yes the secret contingency plans, and the never-ending deadly battle against SPECTRE to save the world http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Stavro_BlofeldFunny how reality mimics fiction"Only those who attempt the absurd will achieve the impossible. I think it's in my basement... let me go upstairs and check." ~M.C. Escher Wed 25 Nov 2009 18:53:11 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=55#comment117 ref 107 and 113Evey reputable intelligence service from CIA to Mi5 to Mossad saw investigations that Hussein was trying to develop nuclear and biological weapons.And considering the help he got from the IAEA in delaying and fore warning inspections we will never know. but I do not trust the word of a man like El Bareerdi or the ethics of Kofi annan.But you two as usual miss the point there are scenarios studies on war colleges.this probaly includes what will be the response if Dictator Hugo escalates his support of FARC and aids them more openly militarily in trying to bring down the democratic goverment in Columbia Wed 25 Nov 2009 18:44:13 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=55#comment116 Obama came to power using the slogan "change", and now people instead of anticipating a change, or critisizing him for not showing any substantial change, are left to discuss usless things, like how much time he needs to send how many troops...Where is the change here? Wed 25 Nov 2009 18:39:41 GMT+1 arclightt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=55#comment115 @106/107: Many countries maintain strategic plans to deal with other countries, specific events, etc. That's been common practice for a very long time. Most of those plans never see the light of day...they used to sit in locked file cabinets, and now reside on classified disk storage. It's not so much, "We think Country A is a threat" as it is "IF Country A becomes a threat, then...".That's just part of the world we live in. I think that's all that was being said. As far as the President's decision is concerned, it's ugly no matter what he chooses. I'm with others, though, who have said that half-measures won't get it done and shouldn't be tried. The "tax on the rich" to pay for the war, while emotionally satisfying, is something that can be done exactly once. Punitive taxes result in "the rich" taking a walk on salary increases, doing less work, and doing other things to get out from under, and there's nothing short of slavery that can require them to do otherwise. If the Congress wants to be that stupid, it will fit entirely with their long-term (50-year) character. Wed 25 Nov 2009 18:29:00 GMT+1 Lord Nathan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=54#comment114 Took you a while Mr Cunard.;-) Wed 25 Nov 2009 18:22:05 GMT+1 Lord Nathan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=54#comment113 Sorry, Colonel, Here it is in working formPeace Wed 25 Nov 2009 18:17:10 GMT+1 colonelartist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=53#comment112 Let me answer this, my orginal comment was that there are scenarios in place and adjusted for potential threats. Iraq under Hussein was in that category as is the terrorist state of Iran.-----------------------------------------------------------------------Iraq was never a threat, let alone potential threat to usa.or to AmBrit. Now, convince me how iraq is no longer a potential threat to usa without saddam hussain? where is the proof? Where is your concrete proof that can convience you or me or the whole world, that in some future some iraqis would not attack directly or indirectly attack usa the way it was attacked in 2001. Wed 25 Nov 2009 18:06:49 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=53#comment111 #98. Lord Nathan: Welcome back, but shouldn't that be Laird Nathan?! Wed 25 Nov 2009 17:51:27 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=52#comment110 61 Baron"very disengenouos of you to try and cast a person like " Obama " iN such a negative, simplistic light. " Wed 25 Nov 2009 17:22:51 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/11/afghanistan_troops_decision_ti.html?page=52#comment109 Baron yOu and all the right seem to forget this. MC CAIN PICKED A HALF WITT BIMBO FOR VP.maybe he was passed over because they saw that he was foolish enough and populist enough to allow that symbol of american freedom from thought to be his running mate. Sure her book sold well I suspect if she ever did the porn that most really want then she would sell out there. selling a book to t he americans isn't that hard. 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