Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html en-gb 30 Sat 02 Aug 2014 03:21:55 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=98#comment90 It seems that congressional Democrats are not so enthusiastic about a state-operated health insurance scheme after all. Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:20:07 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=97#comment89 Well, Simon, it seems neofascists have just lost another leader they were hopefully looking up to.Prsident Medvedev, unlike KGB gen. Putin, seems to have planted BOTH of his legs firmly in the XXIst century, to quote pres. Obama.BTW his assessment of rampant corruption and alcoholism, as well as state of economy in Russia, seems to be right on the money as well.And by 'on the money' I don't mean worthless roubles. Sat 26 Sep 2009 17:25:34 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=96#comment88 87. At 4:20pm on 25 Sep 2009, powermeerkat wrote:"Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, noting that 2010 marks the 65th anniversary of the end of World War II, took aim at those who deny the Holocaust happened and called for "firm and joint resistance to manifestations of neofascism." [CNN]Oh dear Mr Lieberman! Fri 25 Sep 2009 17:40:32 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=95#comment87 86. At 3:28pm on 25 Sep 2009, powermeerkat wrote:Instead of a comment."Iran hiding underground nuclear facility"http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8274903.stm"Well no since the US and everyone else knew it existed."BTW. U.S. has deep earth penetrators, known colloqially as ' 2nd generation bunker busters'.Some of which have reportedly been delivered to Israel."And will be well known to the Iranians. Fri 25 Sep 2009 16:17:19 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=94#comment86 "Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, noting that 2010 marks the 65th anniversary of the end of World War II, took aim at those who deny the Holocaust happened and called for "firm and joint resistance to manifestations of neofascism." [CNN] Fri 25 Sep 2009 15:20:21 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=93#comment85 Instead of a comment."Iran hiding underground nuclear facility"http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8274903.stmBTW. U.S. has deep earth penetrators, known colloqially as ' 2nd generation bunker busters'.Some of which have reportedly been delivered to Israel.Sapienti sat. Fri 25 Sep 2009 14:28:21 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=92#comment84 83. At 08:24am on 25 Sep 2009, _marko wrote:To #82 powermeerkat Please read this:http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldtonight/2009/01/gaza_points_of_view.html"It highlights the fact that the Isrelies cannot see the Palestinians as human beings.Note how all "a-rabs" are the same. Presumab ly teh Israelie beleives all Africans are the same and should just have one country.What a grotesque way of looking at the world. Fri 25 Sep 2009 13:43:19 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=91#comment83 me82. At 08:01am on 25 Sep 2009, powermeerkat wrote:Re #$80Ahmadinnerjacket is a favourite of local antisemites.For obvious reason."And laughing at his name is slightly antisemetic isn't it?"Who were indigenous people of Palestine has been established couple of thousand years ago."What? Who by? Pliny the Elder? Tacitus?"Where the present-day so-called 'Palestinians've come from has been amply documented."Really where. The Palestinians come from Palestine. Its not hard to grasp.For anyone who does not take primitive 19th century ideas of race."As well as why Yasser Arafat named one of his terrorist outfits "Black September"."And why the Israelie leaders all had European names because they originated in Europe.I do hope I am not going to have to humiliate you again. You will be hard pressed to defend 19th century racial theory. Fri 25 Sep 2009 13:33:22 GMT+1 _marko http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=90#comment82 To #82 powermeerkat Please read this:http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldtonight/2009/01/gaza_points_of_view.html Fri 25 Sep 2009 07:24:19 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=89#comment81 Re #$80Ahmadinnerjacket is a favourite of local antisemites.For obvious reason.Who were indigenous people of Palestine has been established couple of thousand years ago.Where the present-day so-called 'Palestinians've come from has been amply documented.As well as why Yasser Arafat named one of his terrorist outfits "Black September". Fri 25 Sep 2009 07:01:37 GMT+1 BraunSA http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=87#comment80 8. At 10:24pm on 23 Sep 2009, MikeE-BCN wrote:"... A future in which the USA is no longer world leader..."Way to get to the nitty gritty of the liberal mindset! How can you feel this way? If you are a parent, do you wish for your kids to be part of the crowd? Or the Valedictorian? I'm glad your not my parent, and I pray this loser mindset is shortlived... Fri 25 Sep 2009 03:53:32 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=86#comment79 People call Israel a Jewish country, because it is a self-declared Jewish state.I do not understand why anyone would feel so upset at Israel, when it has not messed with anyone but Palestine. I would feel bad for Palestine if they hadn't elected that Hams leader and if they wouldn't have let Hamas fire rockets at Israel in Palestine.But Palestine did elect a Hamas leader and they did shoot rockets at Israel. So why feel sympathy for Palestine?I support Israel 100%.If someone fires a rocket at you, you have a right to fire weapons back.I also dislike the comments by the Iranian president Ahmoudmijimiad, about wiping the face of Israel off the Earth. If that is not a serious threat, I do not know what is.Jimajoud's comment on the Holocaust shows his intelligence level. Fri 25 Sep 2009 02:45:54 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=85#comment78 76. At 8:26pm on 24 Sep 2009, stellarBeloved wrote:Obama has 3 years for the Bush demolished economy to bounce back.And when it does, think how he will be looked at...a big success. And Israel will have no choice but to follow his ....game plan. Now, I have to be nice, because (ironically) it was I who told someone to not use name calling.But, Israel (I agree with Andy) will find it within themselves (I'm not a jew hater) to adapt. :)"What? Why do people in the US fail to grasp the elementary fact that Israel is a republic 20% of whose population (and growing) is NOT JEWISH. There are more non-jews in Israel then there black people in the US, yet we do not call the US a white country.And there is nothing in the jewish religion as practised in the last few hundred years which requires the expulsion of a native peoples.There a fair bit about this however in the annals of white supremacists, imperialists etc. Thu 24 Sep 2009 23:24:59 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=84#comment77 75. At 7:02pm on 24 Sep 2009, powermeerkat wrote:powermeerkat wrote: That's what a SM-3-based AMD system planned by Mr. Obama is suppposed to take care of."Simon says: Is it. Mr Obama designed this did he? When? How exactly does he have ownership of this "system" if it exists."How embarrassing! Again! You better try not to touch any military subject, especially if it pertains to nukes, missiles and aircraft."Oh I don't know I know Russia defearted teh nazis in WWII and elementary military fact that seems to have escaped you.And I and millions of others know that the projected US systems in Poland were nothing to do with Iran -:-)Oh and I also know not to rely on tainted sources in a miliatry context, like your reliance on the every trustworthy IAF.Easy peasy."For each time you shoot yourself in a foot.[no, not with a missile. Which you couldn't tell from a rocket.]A hint: Read Bob Gates' (that' Bob, not Bill)statement re SM3 based system deployment of which pres. Obama has already approved.It was intended for laymen, so perhaps it'll help at least a little."Yes I'm sure its a lovely document. You do know the vast number of military systems approved by each president since Lincoln, and which have actually taken place?No? I am surprised!"BTW. Some of those $5,000,000,000.00 are already being spend as we speak."Oh really, what a surprise. And knowing how these things go in the US I can guess that not much of it has so far gone to produce anything.Again you do know much money ends up in the hands of planners, hammer manufacturers etc without anything being built."And Mr. Obama still has at least 3 more years to go.Sorry' bout that. :-)"So to history we have to add politics. But hey if it comforts you then I am glad.When it comes to new miliatry hardware, seeing is beleiving is the sensible phrase. Thu 24 Sep 2009 22:44:24 GMT+1 _marko http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=83#comment76 What if the UN launches the first strike?http://www.theonion.com/content/news/u_n_acquires_nuclear_weapon Thu 24 Sep 2009 20:50:09 GMT+1 David http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=82#comment75 Obama has 3 years for the Bush demolished economy to bounce back.And when it does, think how he will be looked at...a big success. And Israel will have no choice but to follow his ....game plan. Now, I have to be nice, because (ironically) it was I who told someone to not use name calling.But, Israel (I agree with Andy) will find it within themselves (I'm not a jew hater) to adapt. :) Thu 24 Sep 2009 19:26:29 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=81#comment74 powermeerkat wrote: That's what a SM-3-based AMD system planned by Mr. Obama is suppposed to take care of."Simon says: Is it. Mr Obama designed this did he? When? How exactly does he have ownership of this "system" if it exists.How embarrassing! Again! You better try not to touch any military subject, especially if it pertains to nukes, missiles and aircraft.For each time you shoot yourself in a foot.[no, not with a missile. Which you couldn't tell from a rocket.]A hint: Read Bob Gates' (that' Bob, not Bill)statement re SM3 based system deployment of which pres. Obama has already approved.It was intended for laymen, so perhaps it'll help at least a little.BTW. Some of those $5,000,000,000.00 are already being spend as we speak.And Mr. Obama still has at least 3 more years to go.Sorry' bout that. :-) Thu 24 Sep 2009 18:02:16 GMT+1 Andy Post http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=80#comment73 Ref. 73, Simon:"Israel will gradually become more brutal and more corrupt until the oppression ceases."Um, sorry, can't go with you there. I believe Israel will correct its course. Mostly because I believe in the Jews.Also, while Israel is having some internal issues, I don't think they're unique in that way. Thu 24 Sep 2009 17:52:51 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=79#comment72 29. At 01:56am on 24 Sep 2009, AndyPost wrote:Ref. 23, Dominick:"The truth is that Israel does whatever it wishes, regardless of what the USA, the UN, or anyone says and that any US president who even suggests a miniscule reduction in the amount of financial and military aid we give to that country every year would be well advised to abandon any plans to run for re-election."Up until recently I would have been in 100% agreement with you. I'm not sure, but I think Israel's recent foray into Gaza City may have changed things a little. I know I'm not happy about their behavior and, via the federal taxes that come out of my paycheck, I'm paying to keep them afloat.The U.S. shares a lot of very advanced technology with Israel. We use that technology to avoid civilian casualties. Unfortunately, our efforts have not produced complete success, but at least we try. Israel uses that same technology in ways that kill civilians, and I strongly suspect they are doing it on purpose (from what I've read on this site). I am well within my rights to demand that they change their behavior. I feel a moral obligation to.Of course, I don't know whether that feeling is generally felt, but I have for a long time been a strong supporter of Israel. If the Gaza City attack makes me question my support, I'm thinking it might make others as well."Wlecome! It isnt only Gaza however. More and more countries and people are coming to realise that Israel is becoming ever more extreme and its occupation more brutal.Its present government contains Avigdor Liberman and others like him. No other democracy would put such a man in such a role.The last PM is to be tried and even one of the country's celebrated generals has been mired in scandal. The number of investigations arrests etc undercut the idea that it is a "stable" democracyThis endemic corruption stems from the attempt to build an ethnic/religious state. These attempts always end up corrupting the "superior" group.You saw this is SOuth Africa where the government gradually become more brutal and more corrupt (Armcor was so ramshackle it designed a plane with one wing shorter than the other).The Palestinians are not going to vanish and niether are the Egyptians or the Norwegians etc going to accomodate them.Israel will gradually become more brutal and more corrupt until the oppression ceases.No one in their right mind would now claim it is a western democracy. Thu 24 Sep 2009 17:15:14 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=78#comment71 57. At 10:29am on 24 Sep 2009, powermeerkat wrote:"The Iranians have also proven to have effective ICBMs"Iranians do not have any ICBMs. Neither, incidentally, does Israel.Iranians have short and some intermediate range missile and are working hard to expand a range of their medium Saijil missiles.Well hey meddium range will do. At least that is what Israel says and we know they never tell lies, exagerate etc.Oh an arm chair general. Well medium range will do wont it."That's what a SM-3-based AMD system planned by Mr. Obama is suppposed to take care of."Is it. Mr Obama designed this did he? When? How exactly does he have ownership of this "system" if it exists.The only way we are going to know if it less effective is if it is used, and then it will be too"[sorry that at least $5,000,000,000.00 -according to Mr. Obama's own White House planners - is going to be spent on it over the next 10 years, rather tnan on extra aid to Kenya or some other sub-Saharan African country. :-)]"Ah I think the rub is in the 10 years. New to politics aren't you. But its sweet to watch :-)Tip when a politician talks big money for longer than he will actually be in office er don't bet the house it will really appear. Sorry :-(Kenya etc could tell you about that. Thu 24 Sep 2009 17:04:33 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=76#comment70 Simple SimonYou don't get it. First of all, you have your facts wrong. Iran does not border Russia. Russia is not the USSR. Besides, there'd be nothing Russia could do to stop it. What's more, Israel has the capability to take out Russia too, at least much of the European part of it. When push comes to shove, Russia will not enter into the calculus of whether or not it launches a nuclear first strike on Iran. The only factor that will count is the assessment of the likely consequences for Israel if it doesn't. Thu 24 Sep 2009 16:43:58 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=75#comment69 62. At 12:39pm on 24 Sep 2009, MarcusAureliusII wrote:"37. At 05:08am on 24 Sep 2009, publiusdetroit wrote:Ref 35 MarcusAureliusII""Israel is fully able to start a war with Iran; but do they have the capability to bring the objective to a successful conclusion? Any fool can start a fight." You clearly don't understand the nature of nuclear weapons or delivery systems, especially of the type Israel likely has, fusion boosted or even thermonuclear weapons. Israel would not and could not fight a ground war against Iran. Nor is it likely to fly manned aircraft over Iraq to get to Iran. Instead it would most likely launch a nuclear first strike against Iran using its intermediate range ballistic missiles. I think it also has submarines that can launch missiles. If Israel takes that step it will understand that it cannot afford to allow Iran to survive in any meaningful way that would permit a retaliatory counterattack. According to reports and accounts that are available, Israel has the means to wipe Iran off the face of the earth. In fact it has the means to wipe out the entire middle east or for that matter to make human life on the surface of the earth extinct using its arsenal in any number of ways."And to the north is a rather large country with a huge nuclear arsenal which is not about to let the Israelies launch nuclear weapons on its borders. "The following report is 12 years old. Even then Israel had this capability if the report is at all accurate. Today it is undoubtedly even more capable.http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.htmlPeople and nations not familiar with these weapons don't understand them. Communist China urged the USSR to engage the US in a nuclear war before it had nuclear weapons of its own. Once it detonated its first small one, its tune changed completely. Any plans for a nuclear free world will have to take into account the fact that these weapons are the only means small countries like Israel have to deter far more populated hostile neighbors from attacking and destroying them. Israel's threat to use them may have been the only reason President Nixon came to Israel's aid during the 1973 Yom Kippur War when Israel was losing.Any use of these weapons would be a seminal event in world history. That is why they are held out as a last resort. But when push comes to shove and the decision must be made to use them or face annihilation, I have no doubt they will be used."Yes but your judgements have a tendency to be wrong. Nuclear weapons will not be used on Russia's frontiers - end of story.Maybe you missed the fuss over the Polish missiles - and they were not nuclear.I admit the death of millions apeals to power worshippers etc but it isn't going to happen, at least in this region. "Iran's government is playing a very dangerous game. Ah-mad-inejad's middle name is mad."And George Bushe's name makes or. Bill CLinton -ill.Fairly puerile way of looking at the world. Thu 24 Sep 2009 16:35:40 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=74#comment68 63. At 1:19pm on 24 Sep 2009, powermeerkat wrote:"That's not fair. You've forgot to mention that he was also a LAWYER."And rather a good one eh. Not bad for a blackman?Do you know he was also a Senator? "And since both DNC's and Mr. Obama election's campaign have enjoyed a huge financial support of the powerful Lawyers Association, just as many lawyers in DP congressional seats - we're not going to see any meaningful TORT reform in the U.S."When do you ever see serious reform in the US? Once in a decade if you are lucky."And by the same token any meaningful health INSURANCE reform."For the latter is imposssible without the former taking place first."Hmmm its all the lawyers' fault.Isn't it odd how some Americans have this love for Insurance executives. Thu 24 Sep 2009 16:29:57 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=73#comment67 64. At 2:25pm on 24 Sep 2009, MarcusAureliusII wrote:Sarah Phlegm;"I stopped to care really if they (Israel and Iran) decide to eradicate each other that is fine be me."If you think that a nuclear attack on Iran will not affect you, adversely impact your life severely, even threaten it, I think you are badly mistaken. The radioactive clouds from nuclear explosions reach the stratosphere where there are always winds. The debris will circle the entire earth. It takes 20 years for most of the fallout to return to earth. Nobody will be spared. You can also expect oil prices to go to around five hundred to a thousand dollars a barrel. Hope you like to bicycle through life. Riding in a motor vehicle may become a rare luxury."Well said.However this will not happen. Russia will not permit it. In fact it has almost certainly made it very clear to Israel and the US it is not having nuclear explosions on its borders. Thu 24 Sep 2009 16:25:28 GMT+1 alanskillcole http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=72#comment66 Don't remember (it probably happened but I missed it) a "how much trouble is Bush in?" from Mark Mardell. 8 months into a mess created by his predecessor, he seems to be held to a higher standard than the guy before him. Thu 24 Sep 2009 14:44:36 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=71#comment65 58 stellar"Calling the president a community organizer is kind of misleading, don't you think?"sure is . there is no community in the states. just little individuals.Well done MM on this blog topic. we can slam back without modding. Shame about your timing I would like to play with these fools who suggest the innocence of Israel. Generally they have shown in the past (and look like they will continue) a total lack of moral fibre. See the posts on health care,global warming. anything. terrorism and all other topics through the now revealed glasses they look through. and it all starts fitting together.Of course none of this is a surprise. these agents for Israel (who do more to cause hate than good) have lurked here on this blog ruining it and stifling discussion by having the opposition banned. Look at the war of the U numbers. (still not forgot MM when can Hes or Ed get back to us). Many bloggers lost their identity against this multi headed beast that used to have a name that sounded like a group of roman sodiers (or a biblical mad man with many voices).I see there are some from the past allowed to speak but others still missing. Bloggers new to this battle will not know that one blogger was banned for life from the BBC for correcting the rabid zionists who were(oh and simon but) insisting (for once) that "israel is not a Jewish state"If the BBC was affected by the zionist bandwagon, and every other organisation seems to be in the states. then why is it a surprise that Obama got a snub.That is how Israel has always behaved. If you like us we like you but dare say ONE WORD and we will screw you to the wall! Thu 24 Sep 2009 14:10:19 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=70#comment64 62 MA you clearly do not understand that every country in the world would call for Iswrael to be wiped from the face of the earth if they delivered ANY nukes to Iran except in nice boxes with a bow. Then you forget the mass anti Semitism that would also arise which would lead the world Jewish community to live in fear. And Why? because a few nut case chicken hawk generals with no understanding but a lot of hate like you can have your satisfaction.Strange thing is all them Jewish people around the world would suffer for the sake of a few stupid war mongering americans. Probably not even of Jewish decent. Talking of wars. I know MA is a armchair hawk. What about powermeerkitty. When did you serve your country? Thu 24 Sep 2009 13:58:46 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=69#comment63 Sarah Phlegm;"I stopped to care really if they (Israel and Iran) decide to eradicate each other that is fine be me."If you think that a nuclear attack on Iran will not affect you, adversely impact your life severely, even threaten it, I think you are badly mistaken. The radioactive clouds from nuclear explosions reach the stratosphere where there are always winds. The debris will circle the entire earth. It takes 20 years for most of the fallout to return to earth. Nobody will be spared. You can also expect oil prices to go to around five hundred to a thousand dollars a barrel. Hope you like to bicycle through life. Riding in a motor vehicle may become a rare luxury. Thu 24 Sep 2009 13:25:02 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=68#comment62 Re #60 MaigcKiricn explained: "I use the term [community organiser] about Obama previous occupation because that his resume before becoming President and is why he should have never been elected."That's not fair. You've forgot to mention that he was also a LAWYER.And since both DNC's and Mr. Obama election's campaign have enjoyed a huge financial support of the powerful Lawyers Association, just as many lawyers in DP congressional seats - we're not going to see any meaningful TORT reform in the U.S.And by the same token any meaningful health INSURANCE reform.For the latter is imposssible without the former taking place first. Thu 24 Sep 2009 12:19:27 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=67#comment61 "37. At 05:08am on 24 Sep 2009, publiusdetroit wrote:Ref 35 MarcusAureliusII""Israel is fully able to start a war with Iran; but do they have the capability to bring the objective to a successful conclusion? Any fool can start a fight." You clearly don't understand the nature of nuclear weapons or delivery systems, especially of the type Israel likely has, fusion boosted or even thermonuclear weapons. Israel would not and could not fight a ground war against Iran. Nor is it likely to fly manned aircraft over Iraq to get to Iran. Instead it would most likely launch a nuclear first strike against Iran using its intermediate range ballistic missiles. I think it also has submarines that can launch missiles. If Israel takes that step it will understand that it cannot afford to allow Iran to survive in any meaningful way that would permit a retaliatory counterattack. According to reports and accounts that are available, Israel has the means to wipe Iran off the face of the earth. In fact it has the means to wipe out the entire middle east or for that matter to make human life on the surface of the earth extinct using its arsenal in any number of ways. The following report is 12 years old. Even then Israel had this capability if the report is at all accurate. Today it is undoubtedly even more capable.http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.htmlPeople and nations not familiar with these weapons don't understand them. Communist China urged the USSR to engage the US in a nuclear war before it had nuclear weapons of its own. Once it detonated its first small one, its tune changed completely. Any plans for a nuclear free world will have to take into account the fact that these weapons are the only means small countries like Israel have to deter far more populated hostile neighbors from attacking and destroying them. Israel's threat to use them may have been the only reason President Nixon came to Israel's aid during the 1973 Yom Kippur War when Israel was losing.Any use of these weapons would be a seminal event in world history. That is why they are held out as a last resort. But when push comes to shove and the decision must be made to use them or face annihilation, I have no doubt they will be used. Iran's government is playing a very dangerous game. Ah-mad-inejad's middle name is mad. Thu 24 Sep 2009 11:39:22 GMT+1 Seraphim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=65#comment60 "The answer to America is that if America doesn't eliminate that threat to Israel's very existance, the Israelis will do it themselves."I stopped to care really if they (Israel and Iran) decide to eradicate each other that is fine be me. Neither side seems to be interested in peace if that means meeting in the middle of "what I want and what others can tolerate me to get"They behave even more egoistic than George W. did but the American military at least makes it hard for anyone to say what he thinks about it. This is however everything but true for Israel and Iran.Let's hope they at least do it on a day with little to no wind so that te fallout will stay in that region. Thu 24 Sep 2009 11:30:27 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=64#comment59 ref #58Well terms like ethnic clensing fro self defense and Israel cause linked to bigotry are far worse.I use the term about Obama previous occupation because that his resume before becoming President and is why he should have never been elected.You don't make a first year hintern head of surgery or appoint a law clerk to the Supreme Court.That is what happened in the last election. Thu 24 Sep 2009 10:22:51 GMT+1 _marko http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=63#comment58 I feel the unreasonable actions and generalizations suggested by some people (e.g. MagicKirin, Powermeerkat) are aided by the fact that you can dehumanise people just with very crude national labels and associate extremists with whole countries and religious groups etc. Once there is wider social networking (connectivity) and the relationships happen between actual individuals rather than almost mythical entities, then these war-based views will become more and more irrelevant and begin to expose the people who are offering support for extreme actions are those that profit most from instability and continuing military conflict. Thu 24 Sep 2009 10:20:09 GMT+1 David http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=62#comment57 Also, Mr. Magic Kirin,Calling the president a community organizer is kind of misleading, don't you think?It suggests he wasnt elected to office before being elected president.And it also suggests name calling..which while legal, is actually quite a waste of intellectual effort in debating a subject.Terms like bleeding heart liberal or neanderthal right winger are actually off-putting and cause no changes of opinion.I ..think...these blogs are for getting many different opinions and then using them to think about a subject--they are not here for venting ones anger.(IMO) Thu 24 Sep 2009 09:39:08 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=61#comment56 "The Iranians have also proven to have effective ICBMs"Iranians do not have any ICBMs. Neither, incidentally, does Israel.Iranians have short and some intermediate range missile and are working hard to expand a range of their medium Saijil missiles.That's what a SM-3-based AMD system planned by Mr. Obama is suppposed to take care of. [sorry that at least $5,000,000,000.00 -according to Mr. Obama's own White House planners - is going to be spent on it over the next 10 years, rather tnan on extra aid to Kenya or some other sub-Saharan African country. :-)] Thu 24 Sep 2009 09:29:47 GMT+1 David http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=60#comment55 #52, Squirrelist, Im too old to feel too sympathetic about letting people die because of their poor insurance problems...my parents are 77 and did you know?That medicare is quite effective ..if you have the money to pay for the linked insurance that has to go with it. But, people are stupid..that is my motto. Evolution really does exist ...one can see it happening right in front of one..Is that what you are basically saying? Thu 24 Sep 2009 09:29:13 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=59#comment54 Re #48. S-300 missiles were not promised to Venezuela but to Islamic Republic of Uran[ium].However, it's seems they haven't arived, due to piracy at high seas. :-)It's Soviet era T-72 tanks (proven in Siberia) which are going to be supplied to Comical Hugo's Venezuela, (btw. on credit) obviously to clear a wider path through the tropical jungle, to supply FARC narcoterrorists with "Finnish wood", although of much worse quality than the one "Arctic Sea" was carrying. [To Algeria. :-))))))))))))))))))))))] Thu 24 Sep 2009 09:19:33 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=58#comment53 Re 47Simon says:Hmmm of course the photos were supplied by the IAF.Nope, those pictures [of Saddams' and Assad's nuclear reactors destroyed by IAF] were taken by common civilian satellites, and readily available on BBC's own site as well. If you cared to look at them, that is.[ Not a pleasant sight]BTW. If may come as a surprise to you (although not to Ahmadinnerjacket by now) that American NRO has some satellites of its own.And it'll take a loooong time before any other contry will have recon sats with resolution and other capabilities of the current American KH-13 [not an official designation] generation.[After all it's been us who've 'located' "Arctic Sea" :-)]BTW. Thank you Aussies for letting us use your Pine Gap facility, Brits for contributing with Menwith AFB, Japanese with Misawa AB and New Zealanders with your Waihopai facility.I thank you, NRO thanks you, and NSA thanks you. :-) Thu 24 Sep 2009 09:06:17 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=57#comment52 ref 49-51So let appease countries have no shown gratitude for aid like the Palestinians and the Lebanese. Lets work with countries that have the most intolerant philosphies in the world.It's time for the Arab countries like the Saudi and others to realize that Sharia belongs in the dark ages.FYI Simon and Stellar, Economcly Israel other than military aid is one of the two most progressive countries in the middle East.Let the Palestinians choose civilized leaders before they get on more acre.Do not presume that a community orginizer has the wisdom to dictate to Israel.As far as Iran, a surgical strik killling the terrorist leadership would benefit the world. Thu 24 Sep 2009 08:32:52 GMT+1 squirrelist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=56#comment51 51. stellarBeloved:Very little point in bothering to say this here, with the Zionist lobby in full flow on this blog again, but there is no confirmation whatever that that ship was carrying weapons of any kind; nor destined for Iran; nor that the Israelis were in any way involved. It is, however, clearly in Israel's interests to sow disinformation which creates diplomatic problems for both Iran and Russia at the same time, in advance of more wheeling and dealing on sanctions, isn't it?A healthy application of salt is advisable.But then, I'm not surprised this sort of thing is taken up with so much glee by people of a certain age who, quite obviously, thought the original 'Cold War' was the most exciting time of their lives, and not content with re-fighting (not to say re-writing) the American War of Independence, the War of 1812, the 'Indian Wars', WWII and the Six Day War (but why never Vietnam? Could it be because the US lost that one?) want to fight another Cold War along with a few more hot ones in the 21st century.In that respect, I can only hope that health care reform in the US is such a total failure that as a result they will succumb so much faster to the ailments of old age--either because Medicare won't fund the treatment, or it will be too costly--so they will soon no longer be with us and the rest of us can carry on trying to live with each other in peace. Thu 24 Sep 2009 08:24:18 GMT+1 David http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=54#comment50 Actually (I think it was) powermeerkat was right, earlier,Israel is scary good at protecting itself (pirating, allegedly, a Russian ship with missiles headed for?) Before that they (talking about recent events) bombed a "secret" nuclear processing facility in Syria (with Syria saying nothing, except perhaps blushing) BUT, they did all this with American money....we dont need a surrogate mnilitary, ...do we? And we don't need a so-called friend who does nothing to promote peaceful relations with the Palestinians (an issue that resonates strongly with the Muslim world...for whatever reasons--hatred of their dictators, humiliation, rage, whatever)with American money, they say "no" to stopping even further settlements in their Greater Israel cause...bigotry in action. Thu 24 Sep 2009 07:49:30 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=53#comment49 35. At 03:47am on 24 Sep 2009, MarcusAureliusII wrote:"Israel does not have to answer to the Arab world. They do indeed have to answer to the us."They have and will answer to us."Oh sure it is not the other way round?" Israel is a nation that has been under perpetual siege since the day it was founded."So what of the Palestinians. Are they in a seige seige?SO easy." Now it faces the prospect of an enemy that will soon have nuclear weapons. The answer to America is that if America doesn't eliminate that threat to Israel's very existance, the Israelis will do it themselves."They will try, but the Iranians have the right to strike first and they have a number of options. "It's an answer President Obama may not want to hear but he'd better listen and listen very carefully. Time for America to act is rapidly running out here too. There has been far too much talk and far to little action. As a result, the threat has gone completely unchecked, Iran has acted with impunity. "So the US President has to do what a loony tune Israeli government tells him to do?"It seems to me that developing an atomic bomb to destroy a nation against the will of the UN is in a different league than building settlements."Except that the ethnic cleansing is going on now and has to be stopped." The world is going to change soon because of what will happen in the middle east. How much it changes and what the nature of that change will be will depend on whether or not President Obama uses America's power to end the threat of Iran or lets events take the course they seem to be running on. President Bush in this regard was a major disappointment. He was entirely ineffective just as he and President Clinton were with North Korea."Your not very good with prophecy are you thought. The Israelie experiment is running out of steam anyway. It has a corrupt government, state discrimination between its citizens is rising and the whole idea is undercut by the continued decline of the jewish religion and identity.Jerusalem is apparently a basket case and many Israelies are apparently moving out of the city.There is no future for states founded on weird ideas of religion and race. Thu 24 Sep 2009 07:48:53 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=52#comment48 I find it bizarre, yet very telling that Iran's Ahmajimijad stated recently that the Holocaust was a myth. I know he has said this before, but why does he think that when it was so clearly a GIANT part of history?"Well how can I put this? You come from a country which apparently is still wrestling with accepting evolution (a big event). So maybe you should tell us?"Americans, Europeans, Russians, and many countries experienced WWII, in which there is so much evidence, including war planes, stories, and pictures that are so hard to look at, they make you cry. The Holocaust is in our history books and we all learn about it in school as a fact.But Iran's Ahmajimijad is so hard-hearted that he refuses to believe facts of history. That tells everyone a lot about Iran's bias toward Israel."Yes can you tell us why that justifies Israel killing Palestinians? You seem never to have heard of the Palestinians.Do look them up"Then, there is Hamas firing rockets at Israel and killing innocent people. Israel is unhappy that its innocent civilians are dying (just like any other country would) and fires back, hoping that the rockets stop."The rockets came when Israel blockaded the whole area and starved the population. You approve of this? "Instead, the rockets keep coming and coming, so Israel keeps fighting, in return. 1 and 1 = 2. I am not all sure what Israel did, I wasn't there."No but the Israelies are nice and white like you (they aren't of course but that is the perception most Americans have, watching their disillusion is a laugh, one commented he thought he was still in Jordan), the Palestinians are arabs so they don't matter? "But I know that the Palestinians could be making some of the details up. Maybe some weren't but maybe some were. How do you know that they weren't making things up and that Hamas was not attacking them, as well? No one really knows. There is no hard evidence and no way to trust the Palestinians, as Hamas has a vendetta against Israel."SO killing their children is OK, stealing their land is OK?How are you regarding the American Nations - also OK to dispossess them?"It is ridiculous how everyone is picking on Israel, with some countries even denying the Holocaust. Let Israel be! They have had enough suffering to last lifetimes."It is the Palestinians who are suffering. And if you cannot see that obvious fact then one wonders what other horrors you apparently have no trouble with. Thu 24 Sep 2009 07:40:56 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=51#comment47 . At 06:45am on 24 Sep 2009, powermeerkat wrote:Mesrs. Ahmadinnnerjacket and Khadafi (the one who's been denied a tent by New York) have already spoken at UN supplying badly needed comic relief."Yes aren't foreigners funny? They have funny names. Of course the US had "Zbigniew Brezinsky" as a member of the government - but no one has a problem with that."As for Comical Hugo [Chavez], he wasn't even funny, just pathetic."He seems to be doing quite well on it though doesn't he? Keeps the US hoping about."However there are still quite a few freighters just like "Arctic Sea", and quite a lot of "Finnish wood" (aka S-300 missiles) to be shipped to...hm...Algeria."Yes we will see how the Colombian pyschopathic death squads fair when the weapons arrive.It won't stop them killing Colombian indians etc , but it might make them think about killing Venezuelans.Which may be very funny for some and much less funny for others. Thu 24 Sep 2009 07:32:23 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=50#comment46 41. At 06:57am on 24 Sep 2009, powermeerkat wrote:Re #22 "The Poles would thank him [Mr. Obama] for successfully getting the missiles out of Kalingrad (look it up, its not in Israel)."I don't think so, since there were no Iskanders in Kaliningrad (Koenigsberg) in the first place."Well there were no US missiles aimed at Russia in Poland. It was tit for tat.Do keep up this was a US provocation not a Russian one."And S-300 missiles, which had been, were, reportedly, loaded on "Arctic Sea".And later taken back to Moscow after alleged 'pirates' found them. :-)"Whatever no one except you doubts that Russia could instal any number of missiles in Kalingrad at a moment's notice.Obama prevented another needless missile race. Many Poles etc appreciate this. :-)They don't like being on the "firing line", they had this happen to them before.:-("P.S. That premier Brown had been denied a special meeting with pres. Obama prior to UN sesssion opening wouldn't have something to do with a recent 'terrorist for oil" exchange, as BBC suggests in its own report?"DO you mean the PM (UK doesn't have "premiers", again do try harder? Dunno who cares? If it means the UK Americanophiles are humiliated then yippee.The UK has got dragged into two useless wars over this special relationship. Thu 24 Sep 2009 07:25:50 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=49#comment45 Re#17 "unhinged elements in Poland laying claim to lands currently located in Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania"Judging from articles and comments posted in portals with .ru suffix'elements' who wou'ld like to take Ukrainian, Belarusian and Lithuanian lands back into their loving embrace are not located in Poland.And, although perhaps uninged, those 'elements' are by no means fringe.P.S. A map attached to Secret Protocol (unfortunately for some, no longer secret) of the Ribbentrop-Molotow Pact, marking partition of Poland, with specific division lines initialed by foreign ministers of USSR and III Reich - is no more 'bogus' that official Russian maps on which, till 1941, Poland, that 'bastard of Versailles Treaty', to use minister Molotov's famous description -did not exist at all. Thu 24 Sep 2009 07:08:54 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=48#comment44 44. At 07:21am on 24 Sep 2009, powermeerkat wrote:Re#37 "How does Israel transport ground forces, armour, artillery, equipment, and supplies to the theater of operations? Through the Straits of Hormus? By air transport? Marching across foreign soil?""Israel doesn't have any intention to invade Islamic Republic of Iran and 'march across foreign soil'."Oh one must be carefull Israel tends to say it doesn't want to do something before actually doing it.And a large number of Israelies are keen to occupy parts of Jordan."Adn as for taking out ayatollahs' reactors and uranium-enriching facilities (which may occur) - IAF has proven that it can be down by destroying Saddam's reactor at Osirak, and, quite recenly, Assad's reactor in northern Syria."The Iranians have also proven to have effective ICBMs etc and more than one reactor.And if they see the threat as serious they of course have the right to strike first."Quite effectively, judging from "before&afer" satellite photos."Hmmm of course the photos were supplied by the IAF." Thu 24 Sep 2009 07:07:47 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=47#comment43 Re#37 "How does Israel transport ground forces, armour, artillery, equipment, and supplies to the theater of operations? Through the Straits of Hormus? By air transport? Marching across foreign soil?"Israel doesn't have any intention to invade Islamic Republic of Iran and 'march across foreign soil'.Adn as for taking out ayatollahs' reactors and uranium-enriching facilities (which may occur) - IAF has proven that it can be down by destroying Saddam's reactor at Osirak, and, quite recenly, Assad's reactor in northern Syria.Quite effectively, judging from "before&afer" satellite photos. Thu 24 Sep 2009 06:21:00 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=46#comment42 Re #40 "Then you [Mark Mardell] say judgement day is coming soon. But you fail to give the test that should decide if Obama is guilty of acts of commission or omission. You fail to provide the context in which Obama is operating or evaluate the actions that he has already taken."That judgment will be made1. Re Democrat-controlled U.S. Congress next November.2. Re Mr. Obama - 2 years later [Nov.2012].I, for one, am willing to wait and see. Thu 24 Sep 2009 06:09:47 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=45#comment41 "My colleague Nick Robinson, here with me at the UN, reminds me this is what Tony Blair called the "post euphoria, pre-delivery phase"."Another comparison to the weasel; President Obama is nothing like Blair and I doubt very much if he would care for the comparison however tenuous it might be. Blair was a follower - even GWB understood that - while Obama is a leader. Far too early to pass judgment - perhaps in another seven years. Thu 24 Sep 2009 06:01:52 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=43#comment40 Re #22 "The Poles would thank him [Mr. Obama] for successfully getting the missiles out of Kalingrad (look it up, its not in Israel).I don't think so, since there were no Iskanders in Kaliningrad (Koenigsberg) in the first place.And S-300 missiles, which had been, were, reportedly, loaded on "Arctic Sea".And later taken back to Moscow after alleged 'pirates' found them. :-)P.S. That premier Brown had been denied a special meeting with pres. Obama prior to UN sesssion opening wouldn't have something to do with a recent 'terrorist for oil" exchange, as BBC suggests in its own report? Thu 24 Sep 2009 05:57:10 GMT+1 skepticji http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=42#comment39 You say in the opening line "President Obama's speech to the United Nations was a reminder of the scale of his ambition ...." The you go on to say "On climate change there is European despair at the poverty of his ambition, while huge numbers of Americans doubt there is a problem." ???It is somewhat confusing. Obama is accused by some of the crime of ambitiously creating a big government, of intervening to bring some order in markets that were tottering and were also crooked, etc. Others accuse him of not doing enough. And the chattering blogging experts are bipolar --- Obama is timid and overreaching at the same time on the same issue. I have yet to see folks provide a reasoned and evidence based analysis. Instead it is mainly off the cuff remarks, personal opinions and priors masquerading as objective facts.Then you say judgement day is coming soon. But you fail to give the test that should decide if Obama is guilty of acts of commission or omission. You fail to provide the context in which Obama is operating or evaluate the actions that he has already taken. Thu 24 Sep 2009 05:46:41 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=41#comment38 Mesrs. Ahmadinnnerjacket and Khadafi (the one who's been denied a tent by New York) have already spoken at UN supplying badly needed comic relief. As for Comical Hugo [Chavez], he wasn't even funny, just pathetic.However there are still quite a few freighters just like "Arctic Sea", and quite a lot of "Finnish wood" (aka S-300 missiles) to be shipped to...hm...Algeria.Which may be very funny for some and much less funny for others. Thu 24 Sep 2009 05:45:36 GMT+1 KScurmudgeon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=40#comment37 I listened to a late rebroadcast of Obama's speech at the UN. He is clearly setting out his agenda, for the US vis a vis the UN, and his expectations for the UN as a world leader. He acts like he thinks this is his first address to the General Assembly, not his final act as president.He must have a plan. He must have had a plan for some time. He is deliberate. I think these traits should be considered virtues and useful strengths.Timing is everything, and he has four years.The stimulus package can be expected to hit the pavement early in 2010. That is what he said, and now it is what the analysts are predicting, just as the pundits are howling what a failure the stimulus is for being so ineffective and late. It's not late, it will be just in time - for the mid-term ....... elections.Our press, I tell you our popular press has no more relevance than the Sunday funnypages. Take it for granted that they are there, like Uncle Rush, just to entertain.Kscurmudgeon Thu 24 Sep 2009 04:09:14 GMT+1 publiusdetroit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=39#comment36 Ref 35 MarcusAureliusII"Now it faces the prospect of an enemy that will soon have nuclear weapons. The answer to America is that if America doesn't eliminate that threat to Israel's very existance, the Israelis will do it themselves."Israel is fully able to start a war with Iran; but do they have the capability to bring the objective to a successful conclusion? Any fool can start a fight. Very easy thing to do. How does Israel transport ground forces, armour, artillery, equipment, and supplies to the theater of operations? Through the Straits of Hormus? By air transport? Marching across foreign soil?Where do they marshal troops and supplies?Where will they get the fuel needed to sustain an extended, motorized offensive far from their supply base? How can fuel be delivered to the theater of operations?How do they fly air attacks against Iran without violating the air space of other nations; all of which are hostile to Israel?What will be the outcome of violating the air space of neighbor nations?Will the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) have the well-trained and well-disciplined manpower to sustain support of an extended war on a distant foreign soil?Israel had to use unconventional weapons in their latest attack on Gaza. Will Israel use nuclear, biological, and/or chemical (NBC) weapons since it is likely that they lack the conventional weapons and forces to accomplish their mission?What will be the international reaction to use of NBC weapons?The IDF has had problems fighting against poorly armed small forces even when they are fighting from well-established, secure interior supply lines. Will they have even greater problems supplying troops and materials when supply lines are all exterior and unsecured through hostile territory?The IDF is an offensive paper tiger if deployed outside the very immediate region of its own borders without considerable help from stong, outside forces and extensive logistical support. The U.S. has been carrying the ball for Israel far too long. The U.S. can no longer afford to fight wars for Israel. Especially a war that will turn a smoldering tinderbox into a unimaginable conflagration.This is only a short list of problems Israel will face if they attack Iran. Israel has never conducted a war using expeditionary forces. They have no experience in conducting this type of warfare.Yes. Israel can start a war. Any fool can start a fight. Thu 24 Sep 2009 04:08:05 GMT+1 LucyJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=38#comment35 I find it bizarre, yet very telling that Iran's Ahmajimijad stated recently that the Holocaust was a myth. I know he has said this before, but why does he think that when it was so clearly a GIANT part of history?Americans, Europeans, Russians, and many countries experienced WWII, in which there is so much evidence, including war planes, stories, and pictures that are so hard to look at, they make you cry. The Holocaust is in our history books and we all learn about it in school as a fact.But Iran's Ahmajimijad is so hard-hearted that he refuses to believe facts of history. That tells everyone a lot about Iran's bias toward Israel.Then, there is Hamas firing rockets at Israel and killing innocent people. Israel is unhappy that its innocent civilians are dying (just like any other country would) and fires back, hoping that the rockets stop. Instead, the rockets keep coming and coming, so Israel keeps fighting, in return. 1 and 1 = 2. I am not all sure what Israel did, I wasn't there. But I know that the Palestinians could be making some of the details up. Maybe some weren't but maybe some were. How do you know that they weren't making things up and that Hamas was not attacking them, as well? No one really knows. There is no hard evidence and no way to trust the Palestinians, as Hamas has a vendetta against Israel. Just look at their rocket attacks.It is ridiculous how everyone is picking on Israel, with some countries even denying the Holocaust. Let Israel be! They have had enough suffering to last lifetimes. Thu 24 Sep 2009 03:22:40 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=37#comment34 "Israel does not have to answer to the Arab world. They do indeed have to answer to the us."They have and will answer to us. Israel is a nation that has been under perpetual siege since the day it was founded. Now it faces the prospect of an enemy that will soon have nuclear weapons. The answer to America is that if America doesn't eliminate that threat to Israel's very existance, the Israelis will do it themselves. It's an answer President Obama may not want to hear but he'd better listen and listen very carefully. Time for America to act is rapidly running out here too. There has been far too much talk and far to little action. As a result, the threat has gone completely unchecked, Iran has acted with impunity. It seems to me that developing an atomic bomb to destroy a nation against the will of the UN is in a different league than building settlements. The world is going to change soon because of what will happen in the middle east. How much it changes and what the nature of that change will be will depend on whether or not President Obama uses America's power to end the threat of Iran or lets events take the course they seem to be running on. President Bush in this regard was a major disappointment. He was entirely ineffective just as he and President Clinton were with North Korea. Thu 24 Sep 2009 02:47:11 GMT+1 Andy Post http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=36#comment33 Ref. 33, MagicKirin:"The U.S is not giving the southwest back to Mexico, no difference."Here's one difference: we footed the bill for the Mexican-American war. We didn't need any help from anyone. We were completely self-sustaining. There was no one who could stop us. Not true for Israel is it? No, without us Israel's economy slowly collapses.Big difference, wouldn't you say?Israel does not have to answer to the Arab world. They do indeed have to answer to the us.By the way, Jordan is and has always been Arab. They are not Palestinians. In fact, they'd very much like them to move back to their own lands. Thu 24 Sep 2009 02:28:30 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=35#comment32 ref #31The victims of so many atrocities and injustices are today the ones slaughtering and abusing Palestinian civilians...with the unconditional support of the USA. Unless the citizens of Israel put pressure on its government to change its ways, abide by the rules of international law, and demonstrate compassion and a sense of humanity for their fellow man it will not be long before they become a despised pariah in the international community. The Palestinians have themselves to blame, they elected terrorist as leader. Only Israel has given land back when they were attacked in wars of agression.The U.S is not giving the southwest back to Mexico, no differnce.Beside there is already a Palestinian state: Jordan.Before any arab nation makes more demands, let the Saudis compensate Israel with half their oil revenues, which is far more reasonable than Israelsurrending more land to a terrorist run state. Thu 24 Sep 2009 01:53:43 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=34#comment31 ref #22, 25You are right about Czech not enough coffee today.Intersting that you forgive the Saudis and others for not making any useful contributions to the peace process see Saudi Amb editorial in NYT spet 13.But then like you they have a double standard.Israel must give in to all demands and then hope they can trust us.Since Israel has the track record and the Palestinians have broken all their agreements as have the Lebanese it's time for the world to put the pressure on the Arab nations.And stellar I'll take Bibi over Abdullah the Coward hiding in his palace while Islamicfacist trained in Wahibi schools committ terrorism over all thweworldThe Nbaka is a Fraud!As far as Obama speech more of the Apolgy Tour Thu 24 Sep 2009 01:50:16 GMT+1 saintDominick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=32#comment30 Ref 29, Andy"If the Gaza City attack makes me question my support, I'm thinking it might make others as well."I have to admit that I never supported the Zionist cause, but have great respect and admiration for the Jewish people. It is precisely because of the respect I feel for members of that religion, and the revulsion I feel for the atrocities perpetrated against them, that I deplore their behavior towards the Palestinian people.The victims of so many atrocities and injustices are today the ones slaughtering and abusing Palestinian civilians...with the unconditional support of the USA. Unless the citizens of Israel put pressure on its government to change its ways, abide by the rules of international law, and demonstrate compassion and a sense of humanity for their fellow man it will not be long before they become a despised pariah in the international community. Thu 24 Sep 2009 01:40:26 GMT+1 HabitualHero http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=31#comment29 #13 " And now I will get involved in politics and work to defeat him and thwart his programs at every turn. Good-bye Mr. President"You are a remarkably amusing person. The fact that you don't mean to be amusing makes you more amusing still. It's a rare gift. But tell me - why do you say "Good-bye Mr President"? To say "good-bye" to a person you must first know them and they must know you. Do you think he knows who you are? Perhaps you do. Thu 24 Sep 2009 01:37:19 GMT+1 Andy Post http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=30#comment28 Ref. 23, Dominick:"The truth is that Israel does whatever it wishes, regardless of what the USA, the UN, or anyone says and that any US president who even suggests a miniscule reduction in the amount of financial and military aid we give to that country every year would be well advised to abandon any plans to run for re-election."Up until recently I would have been in 100% agreement with you. I'm not sure, but I think Israel's recent foray into Gaza City may have changed things a little. I know I'm not happy about their behavior and, via the federal taxes that come out of my paycheck, I'm paying to keep them afloat.The U.S. shares a lot of very advanced technology with Israel. We use that technology to avoid civilian casualties. Unfortunately, our efforts have not produced complete success, but at least we try. Israel uses that same technology in ways that kill civilians, and I strongly suspect they are doing it on purpose (from what I've read on this site). I am well within my rights to demand that they change their behavior. I feel a moral obligation to.Of course, I don't know whether that feeling is generally felt, but I have for a long time been a strong supporter of Israel. If the Gaza City attack makes me question my support, I'm thinking it might make others as well. Thu 24 Sep 2009 00:56:49 GMT+1 David http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=29#comment27 Where are you...Fluffytale? (not stalking, just like your posts) Thu 24 Sep 2009 00:43:26 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=28#comment26 Having betrayed America's allies like the governments of the Czech Republic, Poland, Israel, and given encouragement and comfort to America's adversaries Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Libya, Russia, Syria, and even allowed the UK to abuse America's good will without consequence something no other nation including Zimbabwe would put up with, President Obama has shown the kind of weakness in America's leadership that has invariably led to major wars in the past. Wars that would make the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan insignificant by comparison. He is laying the seeds for a major conflict of world shattering proportions. This is what inexperience and ineptitude in the highest office with the greatest responsibility leads to. The clock is now ticking, it's just a matter of time. Thu 24 Sep 2009 00:06:17 GMT+1 saintDominick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=27#comment25 "We will know, by the end of the year, what hard decisions Obama has made on healthcare, ... "The most important decision he has made on the issue of healthcare reform is to make it a national priority, which is what a president is supposed to do when our nation is facing a major problem. Regarding the drafting of applicable legislation, it is not the Presiden't job to do that. His job is to provide a vision, a blueprint, champion a cause to seek support, and either sign or veto the bill submitted by Congress. Thu 24 Sep 2009 00:02:54 GMT+1 David http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=26#comment24 No offense, but Israel has only lately become this pariah who says no to America, but,Remember they are not Japan ("the Japan that can say no", written by ...someone)Eventually they will Have to listen Or our very precious money (in these tough economic times) could be withheld...well, some major part of it...Mr. Netanyahu is one of their worst leaders (its a matter of record) and maybe he will be transformed into a history maker, by ..economic need...Israel needs to be "put in its place."and I'm a "Israel Lover" who grew up on Leon Uris novels--"Exodus," etc. AND I watch "The Ten Commandments ..every year--I was quite the Israel apologist, so...watch out, Israel... others may feel the same way about their latest behavior.WHEN OUR US AND UK TROOPS WERE IN IRAQ DRAWING AWAY ALL THE TERRORISTS OF THE WORLD TO A NEW "NOBLE CAUSE,"they were crying "Terrorist" if a rocket or two killed a remarkably few Israelis....and I TRIED to feel their pain, but...because they only paid lip service to OUR pain, well...I guess feel numb. Wed 23 Sep 2009 23:51:32 GMT+1 saintDominick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=25#comment23 Ref 19, Publius"Let's put Republican back into our Republic!"Only after a long vacation in Gitmo! Wed 23 Sep 2009 23:23:58 GMT+1 saintDominick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=24#comment22 Mark, I think it is important to remember that President Obama is not the first US President to be snubbed by Israel. Zionists cut President Bush down to size after the Annapolis talks when he announced, naively, that a settlement would be reached within a year. The truth is that Israel does whatever it wishes, regardless of what the USA, the UN, or anyone says and that any US president who even suggests a miniscule reduction in the amount of financial and military aid we give to that country every year would be well advised to abandon any plans to run for re-election.The truth is that President Obama is doing an outstanding job under very difficult circumstances, and that as opposed to his predecessor he is tackling all the major problems we are facing head on. His problem is that he is trying to solve too many problems simultaneously without the resources to bring them to fruition, and under relentless criticism and opposition from the right wing which is acting as if they won the election last year. Wed 23 Sep 2009 23:22:13 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=23#comment21 5. At 9:50pm on 23 Sep 2009, MagicKirin wrote:ref #4Well Israel has listened to calls for a freeze on the settlements. And the PM has agreed to no new settlements."No the demand is for all settlement activity to cease. No natural growth (isn't it odd there is no natural shrinkage, only in Israel), no new building.Very simple and very clear."What pressure has Obama put on Arab nations to open immediate negoiations with Israel?"What negotiations? Egypt has been negotiating with Israel for months, to no purpose.There is no point negotiating with Israel. It is not a partner for peace."and the only sunbbing was by Obama who went to Egypt but did not go to Israel."All world leaders should avoid Israel until the occupation ceases (and more and more are doing so). Just like the case with the RSA. The door is open, but Israel has to walk through it.Heartingly the calls for boycotts are becoming ever more insistent."Ironicly the three nations he needs to apologize to Poland, Chekoslavikia and Israel have not recieved one."He should visit Poland, he cannot visit Czechoslavakia since it does not exist and hasn't done for years (perhaps FA is not your strongpoint?). He would have a bit of trouble visiting Austro-Hungary too.The Poles would thank him for successfully getting the missiles out of Kalingrad (look it up, its not in Israel) Wed 23 Sep 2009 23:13:12 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=21#comment20 13. At 11:09pm on 23 Sep 2009, MarcusAureliusII wrote:Today President Obama lost me. Until his speech at the UN I was sitting on the fence hoping he would somehow come up with plans that made sense, that were good for America and good for me."So that is why you have oposed everything he has said or done, opposed all his policies and even thought he would lose the election - you were actually supporting him!A phrase from Jed Clampet of the Beverley Hillbillies comes to mind, "quit helping me boy".Good for America and good for you. The two are completely synonomous are they?You must find your fellow Americans failure to follow your inspiring lead most fustrating." But no more. There is no longer any reason for hope. His worst critics were right all along. They couldn't convince me of that. He did. And now I will get involved in politics and work to defeat him and thwart his programs at every turn."Well I am sure Mr Obama is going to lose a lot of sleep over that. Yessiree he must be a tremblin in his boots. No doubtin.To lose such a committed supporter - a heavy heavy blow.A'course he might pick up a whole load of others now you are sadly not on board. "He was a bad choice for America. I had grave reservations about his qualifications during the campaign and now I know they were justified too. Good-bye Mr. President. I'm joining the Republicans much as it pains me and I loathe them. You are even worse.""Oh I feel for you", the Walrus said, "I most deeply sympathise" holding his sodden handkerchief against his streaming eyes.One small point better find what republicans to join. They seem to be in dissaray. Wed 23 Sep 2009 23:01:44 GMT+1 moderate_observer http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=20#comment19 so after 8 years of Bush it took 9/11, lying about WMDs and iraq, bailing on afghanistan, not catching bin laden, leaking CIA agent identities, letting people drown in new orleans and finally an economic collapse that brought down many of the nations oldest financial institutions before anyone finally decided GWB was a failure. In contrast 8 months after Obama takes over the mess created by his predecessor, some are already declaring him a failure. Premature , isnt it? He is setting the groundwork of his agenda but they are not willing to give it a chance because they are not interested in his success.That's just politics. It wasnt designed to be fair or practical. Wed 23 Sep 2009 22:55:24 GMT+1 publiusdetroit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=19#comment18 We would like to welcome Marcus to the Republican Party. We look forward to your active and most valued participation. You are our kind of real American. You will notice there are chairs available to the far right. Please be careful not to stumble on all the tea cups about the floor.Let's put Republican back into our Republic! Wed 23 Sep 2009 22:54:35 GMT+1 PursuitOfLove http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=18#comment17 AS regards the people who "want to write the president off as a failure," those people either never really liked him that much, or never really liked America that much. So I wouldn't put too much credence into what they say if I were you. Wed 23 Sep 2009 22:52:27 GMT+1 Maria Ashot http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=17#comment16 Something to call to your attention, Mr Mardell, and anyone paying attention in Nato on this fraught day:Today, Poland's legislature, the Sejm, proclaimed "by unanimous acclamation" that the Soviet Union's invasion of Poland in September 17, 1939 "constituted genocide" and that the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact -- a reaction to Chamberlain's nonaction -- amounted to "the fourth partition of Poland."Not only does this amount to a significant escalation of hostilities with Russians, who have no intention of letting the slur of "Russian genocide against Poles" stand, but it actually invites something far more insidious: unhinged elements in Poland laying claim to lands currently located in Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania, which, with the signing of the separate peace in Brest–Litovsk, the terrorist revolutionary Lenin arbitrarily gifted to Poland, so as to allow his patrons in Germany to gain much of what was originally Poland as their own land. Today, after the WW2 ordeal, in which many, many millions of ethnic Russians died alongside other Soviet citizens in order to save those who could still be saved from Hitler's Actual Genocide, and to liberate Europe from Nazism –– and to help safeguard the liberty and sovereignty of both France and the United Kingdom, not to mention Germany and italy –– Poland possesses its actual borders.Any attempt to revisit those borders by bogus claims that the Soviet armies who had to march across Poland to engage the Nazi Wehrmacht, one of the most formidable military machines in all of human history, were entering Poland "to commit genocide against Poles" and to "partition Poland" risks embroiling not only Nato but all of the EU in an utterly unnecessary diplomatic firestorm.And if the Poles carry on in this vein, you can be sure there will be war with Russia over Ukraine before too long. Please make sure cooler heads prevail once the hangover that inevitably followed the drunken haze of euphoric (misguided) zealotry has cleared.By the way, do Europeans realize there is a serious problem with alcoholism and potential resulting loss of mental acuity as a result, in Poland? Just as there is amongst their cousins in Russia and Ukraine? What is the EU doing to combat alcoholism in Poland? Wed 23 Sep 2009 22:37:26 GMT+1 Andy Post http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=16#comment15 "And there are fresh dilemmas on climate change, Afghanistan and health. It's hard to see how decisions on any of those will make the president any more popular at home."I disagree. It was because of the need to tackle those very problems that he got the job in the first place. Indeed, if he doesn't make decisions on those matters, he'll be thrown out of office. At the end of the day, American voters will judge him on how effective those decisions turn out to be. It's a mistake to think that we will automatically turn on him if he asks us to sacrifice. Americans have a long track record of rewarding presidents that come up with solutions to tough problems while punishing those that get nothing accomplished. Wed 23 Sep 2009 22:29:56 GMT+1 PursuitOfLove http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=15#comment14 Mark: '"On climate change there is European despair at the poverty of his ambition, while huge numbers of Americans doubt there is a problem."Why? I thought his speach on climate change yesterday, buttressed by his advisor on climate change Tod Stern's stern defense of our policies thus far put this issue to rest. Or is this yet another example of European selective Amnesia? Why is Europe still unhappy with his supposed lack of ambition? Europeans are smart. They know how Washington works don't they? Washington isn't nearly as intellijent and doesn't have nearly as much foresight as London, Paris and Berlin have. If they can't accept our progress for what it is, then perhaps they should pull some high ranking Republican party officials over to the side for a little chat at the next EU-US summit or something. Europe needs to recognize as we were forced to the hard way through Bush, that it can't get everything it wants in life. Have to tell you, this is getting really frustrating.As regards the "huge numbers of Americans doubting there is a problem," take a pole of two thousand or so Germans, Frenchmen and Britains and find the average. I bet you'll be surprised to find similar ratings regarding people's doubts about climate change being a problem as well. Wed 23 Sep 2009 22:22:31 GMT+1 David http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=14#comment13 Actually, GH###, you did get me to the new blog, so not careless :) And there are like 3 people there ...but he seems ok to me :)But I like it here too...and I hope no.8 IS wrong and we will survive and NOT be a future wasteland of debt and despair. If Obama is truly great he will turn our country around, not preside over its demise/decline. Wed 23 Sep 2009 22:19:30 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=13#comment12 Today President Obama lost me. Until his speech at the UN I was sitting on the fence hoping he would somehow come up with plans that made sense, that were good for America and good for me. But no more. There is no longer any reason for hope. His worst critics were right all along. They couldn't convince me of that. He did. And now I will get involved in politics and work to defeat him and thwart his programs at every turn. He was a bad choice for America. I had grave reservations about his qualifications during the campaign and now I know they were justified too. Good-bye Mr. President. I'm joining the Republicans much as it pains me and I loathe them. You are even worse. Wed 23 Sep 2009 22:09:31 GMT+1 GH1618 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=12#comment11 That was a careless mistake:http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/ Wed 23 Sep 2009 21:53:20 GMT+1 Snagletooth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=10#comment10 StellarBeloved,I believe this is what you (and some others) are looking for:www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/there doesn't seem to be a direct link in the blogs list, I found it in the European news page. Go to the features section in the middle and click on the one "Hewitt on Europe". Wed 23 Sep 2009 21:52:43 GMT+1 David http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=9#comment9 Thank you Wed 23 Sep 2009 21:52:26 GMT+1 GH1618 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=8#comment8 stellarBeloved (#7) "Can anyone tell me how to get to the European Moderator and the comments there?"I assume you mean the European reporter and blogger:Can anyone tell me how to get to the European Moderator and the comments there? Wed 23 Sep 2009 21:43:22 GMT+1 Mike Dixon Londoner in Spain http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=7#comment7 Hi MarkHave a great time in the USA, I sure hope you can see plenty of that great country.In my opinion, he is being an effective Head of State and also trying to re-direct Washington away from the Bush era towards a more sustainable future. A future in which the USA is no longer world leader and is the greatest debter nation on earth.I hope I am wrong, but it looks to me as if Washington is crumbling behind him and there is very little that either he or Congress can do about it. Wed 23 Sep 2009 21:24:12 GMT+1 David http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=6#comment6 Fluffytale said the European blog is up and running ....where is it?I like this American blog, but I am used to the Euro blog...and Mark Mardell...that is why I've been happy to have been here...these past few days (weeks?)Can anyone tell me how to get to the European Moderator and the comments there? It's been fun here, though. I probably will be back ...:) Wed 23 Sep 2009 21:00:45 GMT+1 Gavrielle_LaPoste http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=5#comment5 Count him a failure if he doesn't get re-elected in 2012. Until then, everything is just business as usual in Washington. Wed 23 Sep 2009 20:51:18 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=4#comment4 ref #4Well Israel has listened to calls for a freeze on the settlements. And the PM has agreed to no new settlements.What pressure has Obama put on Arab nations to open immediate negoiations with Israel?and the only sunbbing was by Obama who went to Egypt but did not go to Israel.Ironicly the three nations he needs to apologize to Poland, Chekoslavikia and Israel have not recieved one. Wed 23 Sep 2009 20:50:42 GMT+1 socialistlibertarian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=3#comment3 A certain segment of our population wrote Mr. Obama off as a failure before he even took the oath of office, and are doing their best to make sure it happens in reality even if they bring the whole country down as well. And hasn't Israel snubbed everyone who has called for a freeze on settlements? This says nothing against Obama, but only about the hubris of Israel. I don't see how Obama's presidency can be termed a failure or success even in three months from now. Why this desire for instant gratification? Wed 23 Sep 2009 20:44:01 GMT+1 DiscoStu_d http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=2#comment2 Indeed, the president wakes up to a full plate of aggravation every single morning. He has my sympathy. Time will tell, to a certain extent. You stated he may look weak since Israel is ignoring the demands to halt settlement buidling. Next time a cheque is due to be sent over perhaps it'll become lost in the mail for a couple months, thereby twisting Israel's arm a little. Addressing climate change is all well and good but now is not the time to kick the legs out from under our economy with drastic measures. If the ecomony doesn't 'pick up' then the mid-term elections may remove a democratic majority in the house and affect the Senate balance allowing the republicans to fillibuster everything in sight thus dooming the president's ability to pass anything in the remaining 2 years before the next pres election. North Korea is my greatest worry. The Iranians may have a nutjob president but I feel they are not as worrisome as the madmen in North Korean. As you stated, time will tell. Obama gave the Iranians until the end of September to extend their hand (minus the scimitar, presumably) and its too early to judge how that will play out. Wed 23 Sep 2009 20:41:16 GMT+1 David http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=1#comment1 I think Obama has too full a plate, he needs to wait until the economy bounces back to succeed in his ambitious plans.Prioritizing would be a nice thing, but I'd say his first 8 months have been very revealing ...he has the potential to be a great president.But, he really needs to be reelected and/or he needs the Congress to remain Democratic party dominated. This is priority no. 1. Sacrificing himself for the world is not an option. He must feel great pressure, but needs to realize that some people are going to dislike him whether he likes it or not.Nuclear weaponry and its abolishment would be ....last on MY list...they have kept the peace all these years (sorry liberals) and Col. Gaddafi (sp?) is ....well...."not to be believed." Wed 23 Sep 2009 20:02:59 GMT+1 GH1618 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/obamas_posteuphoria_predeliver.html?page=0#comment0 "We will know, by the end of the year, what hard decisions Obama has made on healthcare, ... "The hard decisions are being made in the Congress. I don't think Obama has any hard decisions to make here, only whether or not to sign a bill, should one reach him. I expect he will accept anything that gets to his desk. Wed 23 Sep 2009 20:00:47 GMT+1