Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html en-gb 30 Thu 17 Apr 2014 12:56:26 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html saurabh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=99#comment254 yeah we know the government suck(we'll deal with them later) but lets not let our country's pride go to ashes....Wouldn't it be more logical that we unite in this time of need...everyone of us should take one day leave and "clean" up our mess Thu 23 Sep 2010 23:49:29 GMT+1 India007 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=99#comment253 This post has been Removed Thu 23 Sep 2010 21:27:30 GMT+1 BBC Guest http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=98#comment252 If the organizers had even half a brain, they could have put up a better show when they knew there was going to be an inspection. Take them to "good" areas, cordon off "bad" areas, clear up approaches etc.Basically do something cosmetic to make it look decent. Or was this their best effort of making it look decent? Thu 23 Sep 2010 19:26:49 GMT+1 EricB69 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=98#comment251 Well, it's a former British colony, so in reality, Britain's to blame for anything that goes wrong in these games. Which only appears to be everything. A dress rehearsal for 2012 perhaps?================This is bullshit.If there is JUST ONE THING India has to be commended for, it's that it NEVER rejects all its problems on the Brits (unlike Algeria which does it perpetually towards France, or some other African ex-colonies...).India has gone on, assuming its successes and mistakes, like an adult country. This promises to be a big floop, but I think the Indian people are wise enough (unlike their governants, probably) to realize what and where the problems are. Now, after the Games (if the Games take place after all), will they go on and take the measure of what needs to be done and corrected ? That's another question... Thu 23 Sep 2010 14:09:49 GMT+1 Jay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=98#comment250 Mismanagement is evident in almost everywhere in Indian system, starting from managing Kashmir and NE parts (as part of India), managing ruling elites, managing judiciary (Advocate Prashant Bhushan, who faces contempt proceedings for calling half the last 16 or 17 former Chief Justices of India corrupt, has submitted “evidence” to the Supreme Court against five of them.: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Lawyer-gives-SC-evidence-against-ex-CJIs/articleshow/6582079.cms). Now it is said that “Almost one-third of Indians are "utterly corrupt" and half are "borderline", the outgoing head of the country's corruption watchdog has said, blaming increased wealth for much of the problem” : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/One-in-three-Indians-utterly-corrupt-Former-CVC/articleshow/6518255.cms#ixzz0yxlYcDwz. Unless we, as Indians, (at least, who think they are) need to be taking personal responsibilities in becoming aggressive in protecting and developing the country. We must not give politicians (Federal or state or local) a free hand to do whatever they in OUR country (be it in Kashmir or CWG). No special status to anyone, no corruption in public should be tolerated. Only then we can have a better country. Thu 23 Sep 2010 12:34:58 GMT+1 ESchrodinger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=97#comment249 Someone earlier mentioned that this was a case of the wrong person in the wrong job - something that often happens in India. It's true and I have an amusing tale to illustrate it.Some time ago I was organising an event at one of Delhi's few five star hotels down at Chanakyapuri and was meeting with the wine buyer to taste and select a few wines for a gathering of several hundred business people and politicians from overseas.I selected a few bottles and began tasting. About halfway through, having selected a couple of decent whites, I politely remarked to the buyer, a very personable professional man, that it was a shame he couldn't join me since he was on duty. "Not just that" he said, "but I don't drink achohol due to my religion". Good job I didn't have a mouthful of Chablis at the time.Now it's not unusual to find poeople who abstain in India, and I should emphasise that the hotel was top rate and the manager himself was a smart professional chap and had clearly read up about the wines, (which were pretty standard stuff, but ok).But to find myself in a tasting meeting with a wine buyer who had never tasted wine was a brillant Indian moment I'll never forget. Thu 23 Sep 2010 12:14:51 GMT+1 Harshavardhan Thakar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=97#comment248 No one in India really care about the games anymore. If all the athletes withdraw the happiest people will be the Organizers and bloody government officials. They will say that "We were ready but the athletes didn't come" !!! Definitely the Central and State government politicians have minted millions of $$ in this whole fiasco. Thu 23 Sep 2010 11:53:55 GMT+1 matungakabhai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=96#comment247 The collapsing of stadium,bridges etc remind me of a dialogue from a Hindi movie satire 'Jaane Bhi do Yaaro' that in India contractors generally mix about 90% sand with 10% cement/concrete . The stadia and bridges are designed to collapse ;-) Thu 23 Sep 2010 10:38:28 GMT+1 Paul Newton http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=96#comment246 Neelamber: good comments except your all-too-predictable misuse of the word 'anarchy'. It has NOTHING to do with chaos and means simply 'without government'. ie without the hierarchical socio-political structures which enslave the masses and render corruption rife in society. Now; what could be an example of the latter when you add economic malpractice? Hmmmmm. Thu 23 Sep 2010 10:24:02 GMT+1 ESchrodinger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=96#comment245 One thing that will amaze those that haven't been there is the Indian press - it's fantastic - check out Times of India and Hindustan Times, both come off the press in English. The printed media have a long tradition of brilliant rigorous and balanced reporting, and they don't shy away from investigating, naming and shaming corrupt officialdom. In many other countries, such media scrutiny would assisit in keeping the ruling classes in check, but not in India. We have heard the individual responsible say that the athletes' accommodation is world class. We know he's lying, he knows he's lying but in India that is how the people who run the country behave (with one or two exceptions). They are self deluding to the extent that if they say it is so, they think people will believe it despite blatant evidence to the contrary. Shown up by the press, they will give platitudes and mealy mouthed excuses and blame anyone else but themselves. Indians in power are not driven by personal pride and industriousness, they have no desire to improve their country and they simply don't care what the press says about them, as no amount of exposure will remove them from their powerbase.Officials are removed from a position of power only when the shame they generate spills over to whoever can remove them or; if they stop paying rent to whoever is keeping them there.It is entirely possible that the positions on the organising committee were in fact purchased, on the premise that they could personally profit from their involvement. Thu 23 Sep 2010 10:09:01 GMT+1 Neelambar Hatti http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=95#comment244 When India got the 'job' of staging the Commonwealth Games 2010, the authorities hoped that it would lead to fame and fortune. The idea sounded good; the Games would broaden the stage for international competitions, successful games would provide an opportunity to contend for the 2020 Olympics, and encourage economic development. Instead, theCommonwealth Games have threatened to descend into a farce, with the threat of mass withdrawals and the potential that the event could end up showing the Indian government’s inadequacies. With barely a week to go before the games begin, the problems have become apparent, frantic last-minute preparations verging on chaos and anarchy. The games are set to become more of a national shame than national fame. Indian dream of bidding for the 2020 or 2024 Olympics and showing the world that it can equal China remains just that.Building works have fallen seriously behind schedule; the athletes' village remains unfinished days before its scheduled opening,and in the view of many, unsafe, filthy and unfit for human habitation. Just a few days ago a pedestrian walkway, part of a triumphal arch on the approach to the centrepiece Jawarharlal Stadium, collapsed injuring several people; part of a drop ceiling at weightlifting venue has collapsed and so on it goes. Suffice it to say that the games have become a national embarassment and irretrievable damage has been done to the country's reputation. What is the reaction of the 'concerned' authorities and politicians to all this? By and large, they have dismissed international worries over the uncomplete preparations. The Sports Minister has joked that the games will be like a setrotypical big chaotic Indian wedding and that after last minute efforts everything would turn out fine. The Foreign Minister claims the games will be 'one of the most successful that the Commonwealth has undertaken'. Others have blamed the gods for sending too much rain, blaming the prolonged monsoon for all the ills.What was to be a showpiece of India's economic achievements during the past decade or so is turning out to be a showcase for allegations of corruption, mismanagement, poor leadership and lack of commitment. It has clearly exposed a wide gap between India and China than many Indians would like to acknowledge. The division between the two countries' showcase global events is far greater than their GDPs.It brings to my mind something that Alan Greenspan observed recently; "It is not what China is doing (that is remarkable), it is what India is not". Thu 23 Sep 2010 10:08:03 GMT+1 Paul Newton http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=95#comment243 What a shame that India seems so rife with corruption, that it can't even manage to put 'The friendly games' on. The prevalence of corruption is an inevitable consequence of a capitalist system, which is inherently based on greed and selfishness-wherever it's found! You can bet your life that there's been corruption in the build up to the London games, it's just that our infrastructure, being more developed, makes it more difficult to pull a scam and therefore won't be so obvious as people are saying it is in India. I could write all day about what the solution might be, but ultimately these things are there for financial gain, not sporting achievement-just go around the S.African shanties in a years time to see if anythings changed, to get verification of this. In the end though, if this IS the 'Indian way' (ie to be SO corrupt and inept-especially in Delhi) the games should never have been allowed to go there. This leads one to ask whether the decision itself was based on corruption. Thu 23 Sep 2010 10:06:48 GMT+1 rogers1892 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=94#comment242 This post has been Removed Thu 23 Sep 2010 10:03:49 GMT+1 iteron10 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=94#comment241 Well, as an Indian, I would dare say that the Games be declared a failure and does not go ahead. This is the unthinkable but also a moderate possibility. I wish for this to happen not because I'm an anti-national but because I believe that this massive failure would be a lesson for our polit-bureau. Then maybe we will see a lethal backlash in the form of protests and demonstrations by responsible citizens against those responsible and bring them to book and maybe bring about some sort of revolution in response to this unthinkable event. This 'CWG-sham' is a manifestation of the general corruption not just in New Delhi but all over India and it is there for the whole world to see in all its glory. Also it is time that all politicians and bureaucrats be banned from running or even being a part of sports bodies in India. Thu 23 Sep 2010 09:31:29 GMT+1 jet225 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=94#comment240 So you want to build a games village right next to a Yamuna overflowing with monsoon rains and sewage. Super. It's just the start of troubles. Soon bets will be placed on the number of athletes that are likely to come down with Dengue. And as usual, our honorable politicians will dismiss it as minor hiccups in an otherwise fantastic games. Irony is completely lost on them. Thu 23 Sep 2010 08:31:37 GMT+1 jet225 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=93#comment239 Gutka and Paan spit in the toilet and on the walls. Classic Delhi. Dilli Meri Jaan. Thu 23 Sep 2010 08:18:32 GMT+1 vjrnb http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=93#comment238 @ bakhtawar, i say that the worst part of corruption in India is not the corruption itself in numbers, but the fact that the procedures to handle corrupt officials is much more corrupt!!!!. This auto catalyzes itself.At most the corrupt official would be suspended from his post for a few days, but soon, he will back in his post...Thus they get away and corruption does not pay!! Thu 23 Sep 2010 06:47:02 GMT+1 bakhtawar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=92#comment237 "Common Wealth" India seems to have imbibed this in true sense of the word. Funds were siphoned off to corrupt and greedy and therefore made common. An article in Indian press says 30% are totally corrupt and other 50% are partailly corrupt ( whatever that means) . Thu 23 Sep 2010 03:41:21 GMT+1 mightydeceaser http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=92#comment236 blame the Westerners!!!! its their fault - it always has been and always will be. this way, India and its citizens will never have to take responsibility for their own (in)action.failing that, blame Pakistan. in fact blame everyone else. its a worldwide conspiracy against India, can't you see?? especially now as India is apparently the 3rd most powerful country in the world and we can't have that can we? the sooner India removes the (very large) chip from their shoulder the sooner they can take their place among the nations of the world. your constant blaming of countries like the UK and Australia smacks of jealousy and insecurity. Thu 23 Sep 2010 03:39:46 GMT+1 bakhtawar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=92#comment235 This post has been Removed Thu 23 Sep 2010 03:38:02 GMT+1 indian mathematician http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=91#comment234 In true Indian tradition, they've got the children doing all the work to meet the deadline. Is there no shame in India?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/commonwealthgames/8019580/Commonwealth-Games-2010-England-teams-trip-on-a-knife-edge.html Thu 23 Sep 2010 01:22:13 GMT+1 Jay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=91#comment233 Once the games is over (with or without “success”), once the dust is settled, everything will be back to normal. HOW MANY OF THE READERS WHO ARE NOW ANGRY AND/OR ASHAMED FOR THIS CWG FIASCO AND EXPRESSING THEIR EMOTION IN THIS AND MANY OTHER FORUMS WILL ACTUALLY INTROSPECT AND REALISE HOW MUCH WE OURSELVES TO BE BLAMED FOR THIS FIASCO? How many will groom themselves to oppose corruption, try to eradicate it not only from their personal lives but also from their office and neighbourhood? We blame others when they are caught to do corruption, but gladly accept that as inseparable part of our Indian lives and the most effective way to “prosper”. We not only do it for ourselves but also teach even our own children to get used to it and exploit the current culture of corruption to become “successful” than to do anything to change the situation. It is only the social and political elites (custodians of our system) successfully advertised the notion of “shining/incredible India” while almost every social, judicial and political parameters of civilization indicates it otherwise. Now think what the kids and close ones of people like Kalmadi will say when they are abroad (UK or US etc)? Will it be prudent for them to accept reality? No, it will not. Those are the people who used to have the control for media and personal presence and contacts abroad that is responsible for such well-advertised propaganda of “incredible India”. It is high time that common citizens and kids of such corrupt people take personal responsibility if we want to have a better India, if we really want to organise a world-class event in future. Kalmadis are overwhelming majority in India today, in almost every society and organizations. We must take personal responsibilities that, neither I personally will become another Kalmadi nor will I allow anyone to be one (so far I can). I know, it sounds strange (probably lunatic) to most of the Indian ears. We should remember that, NO ONE CAN GET A WORLD-CLASS COUNTRY, CITY, VILLAGE OR EVEN FAMILY WITH THEIR FEUDAL, “THIRD-WORLD” MENTALITY AND HABITS. Thu 23 Sep 2010 00:19:36 GMT+1 BLRBrazil http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=90#comment232 @ 225: that's very poor timing and I can appreciate the dangerous ramifications.@ 226: Totally agree. The idea that hosting a major sporting event will bring about significant improvement in local infrastructureis a valid one, but the sheer scale and cost of these events has become too great for a single city to shoulder (tho' I very much doubt that much of the cost has come from the Delhi budget). Large countries should spread these mega events across the nation and smaller countries can share the projects.@ Jay: you're evidently encountering posting problems too, but sifting thru your contributions, I think you've made some very interesting observations, particularly on the economic front, which I would like to examine more deeply. We're hearing the same comments in Brazil about "more important ways to allocate the public purse", what with the upcoming World Cup and Summer Olympics and the fear of misallocation and corruption. On a positive note, I've always felt it was a good thing the way these events encourage people to get to know other countries, but it seems even that is becoming eroded by elitization, with only the well-off able to afford the inflated hotel and ticket prices. Wed 22 Sep 2010 22:22:09 GMT+1 kmittal82 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=90#comment231 Ah, if only we had Jack Bauer..he would make things right :)The irony is, there is a greater probability of a fictitious character coming to life than there is of Indian politicians to gain a conscience. Wed 22 Sep 2010 21:53:06 GMT+1 Jay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=90#comment230 Something is wrong with this web site at this time. I am not sure if my posts are going through. so posting it again.SO far global governance and efficacy of so-called market economy is concerned, one can read a real informative article about that, “Who needs a greener revolution?”. Published in reputed research journal; EMBO Reports (2010) Vol-11, No.-9 (Sep 2010 issue). We must stop this “growth” based economy and shift to “de-growth” path. It says, “According to the latest esti¬mates, we are already beyond the Earth’s carrying capacity and we would need around 1.2 Earths to support just the cur¬rent population growth rate (WWF, 2008)”. ”There are alternative economic models that recognize ecological limits to human development and emphasize social equity. The first of these proposes a steady-state economy: one that has stopped growing in terms of GDP, but continues to improve quality of life and is maintained by an ecologically sustainable rate of resource throughput and a constant human popula¬tion (Kerschner, 2010; Lawn, 2010). The sec¬ond is a sustainable de-growth model that has been defined as “an equitable down-scaling of production and consumption that increases human well-being and enhances ecological conditions at the local and global level, in the short and long term” (Schneider et al, 2010). THE PARADIGM IS THAT HUMAN PROGRESS WITHOUT ECONOMIC GROWTH IS POSSIBLE; IT HAS BEEN SHOWN REPEATEDLY THAT GDP PER CAPITA DOES NOT CORRELATE WITH OVERALL HAPPINESS ABOVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SATISFYING PEOPLE’S BASIC NEEDS (Layard, 2010). According to these proposals, rich nations would need to start the transition to a steady-state econ¬omy through the reduction of GDP or de-growth within the next 5 years, and poor nations could take 20–40 years to make the transition in order to ensure a sustain¬able future. As many poor nations have the highest population growth rates, a first step should be to implement suitable controls to stabilize their populations with support from rich countries.” The defenders of de-growth emphasize that this process is not the same as reces¬sion or depression—there should be no social or quality of life deterioration—nor does it promote a return to a fictitious pre-industrial pastoral past. GDP reduction involves mainly components that require large-scale, resource-intensive production and socio-political and lifestyle changes (Schneider et al, 2010). Steady-state and de-growth models are based on the prin¬ciple of ecological economics, which emphasizes the importance of the inter¬actions between the environment and the economy, and of biophysical laws and con¬strains to human development (Costanza et al, 1997; Victor, 2010). Wed 22 Sep 2010 21:44:31 GMT+1 Jay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=89#comment229 SO far global governance and efficacy of so-called market economy is concerned, one can read a real informative article about that, “Who needs a greener revolution?”. Published in reputed research journal; EMBO Reports (2010) Vol-11, No.-9 (Sep 2010 issue). We must stop this “growth” based economy and shift to “de-growth” path. It says, “According to the latest esti¬mates, we are already beyond the Earth’s carrying capacity and we would need around 1.2 Earths to support just the cur¬rent population growth rate (WWF, 2008)”. ”There are alternative economic models that recognize ecological limits to human development and emphasize social equity. The first of these proposes a steady-state economy: one that has stopped growing in terms of GDP, but continues to improve quality of life and is maintained by an ecologically sustainable rate of resource throughput and a constant human popula¬tion (Kerschner, 2010; Lawn, 2010). The sec¬ond is a sustainable de-growth model that has been defined as “an equitable down-scaling of production and consumption that increases human well-being and enhances ecological conditions at the local and global level, in the short and long term” (Schneider et al, 2010). THE PARADIGM IS THAT HUMAN PROGRESS WITHOUT ECONOMIC GROWTH IS POSSIBLE; IT HAS BEEN SHOWN REPEATEDLY THAT GDP PER CAPITA DOES NOT CORRELATE WITH OVERALL HAPPINESS ABOVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SATISFYING PEOPLE’S BASIC NEEDS (Layard, 2010). According to these proposals, rich nations would need to start the transition to a steady-state econ¬omy through the reduction of GDP or de-growth within the next 5 years, and poor nations could take 20–40 years to make the transition in order to ensure a sustain¬able future. As many poor nations have the highest population growth rates, a first step should be to implement suitable controls to stabilize their populations with support from rich countries.” The defenders of de-growth emphasize that this process is not the same as reces¬sion or depression—there should be no social or quality of life deterioration—nor does it promote a return to a fictitious pre-industrial pastoral past. GDP reduction involves mainly components that require large-scale, resource-intensive production and socio-political and lifestyle changes (Schneider et al, 2010). Steady-state and de-growth models are based on the prin¬ciple of ecological economics, which emphasizes the importance of the inter¬actions between the environment and the economy, and of biophysical laws and con¬strains to human development (Costanza et al, 1997; Victor, 2010).I am sorry for deviating from the blog issue here. Wed 22 Sep 2010 21:43:20 GMT+1 Jay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=89#comment228 SO far global governance and effective of so-called market economy is concerned, one can read a real informative article about that, “Who needs a greener revolution?”. Published in reputed research journal; EMBO Reports (2010) Vol-11, No.-9. We must stop this “growth” based economy and shift to “de-growth” path. It says, “According to the latest esti¬mates, we are already beyond the Earth’s carrying capacity and we would need around 1.2 Earths to support just the cur¬rent population growth rate (WWF, 2008)”….”There are alternative economic models that recognize ecological limits to human development and emphasize social equity. The first of these proposes a steady-state economy: one that has stopped growing in terms of GDP, but continues to improve quality of life and is maintained by an ecologically sustainable rate of resource throughput and a constant human popula¬tion (Kerschner, 2010; Lawn, 2010). The sec¬ond is a sustainable de-growth model that has been defined as “an equitable down-scaling of production and consumption that increases human well-being and enhances ecological conditions at the local and global level, in the short and long term” (Schneider et al, 2010). The paradigm is that human progress without economic growth is possible; it has been shown repeatedly that GDPper capita does not correlate with overall happiness above a certain level of satisfying people’s basic needs (Layard, 2010). According to these proposals, rich nations would need to start the transition to a steady-state econ¬omy through the reduction of GDPor de-growth within the next 5 years, and poor nations could take 20–40 years to make the transition in order to ensure a sustain¬able future. As many poor nations have the highest population growth rates, a first step should be to implement suitable controls to stabilize their populations with support from rich countries.” The defenders of de-growth emphasize that this process is not the same as reces¬sion or depression—there should be no social or quality of life deterioration—nor does it promote a return to a fictitious pre-industrial pastoral past. GDP reduction involves mainly components that require large-scale, resource-intensive production and socio-political and lifestyle changes (Schneider et al, 2010). Steady-state and de-growth models are based on the prin¬ciple of ecological economics, which emphasizes the importance of the inter¬actions between the environment and the economy, and of biophysical laws and con¬strains to human development (Costanza et al, 1997; Victor, 2010). Wed 22 Sep 2010 21:19:52 GMT+1 Jay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=89#comment227 @ BLRBrazil (post# 224). The problem with this specific CWG preparation is solely Indian problem. We have no one to blame for this level of corruption and lawlessness (see other blogs by Sautik in that regard). Yes, all such problem we are seeing here is a (more or less) typical third world country specific. But a country which is trying to promote a better image, projecting itself at least as "regional superpower", trying to promote "democracy" (being "the largest democracy" in the world) MUST not be self-obsessed with simple GDP growth and having few billionaires. We MUST build the country FIRST, then concentrate on building its "image"; NOT the other way round (as many of us, mainly our ruling class people trying now).Such fiasco is not limited to this CWG or games and sports, but almost every aspect of Indian life is becoming more and more corrupted and polluted. Our political masters force us to believe in all the nonsense of “indigenous” technology (e.g missile and many other defense and civilian technology/product) while our own parliamentary standing committee report in 2008 concluded that “we have about 30% indigenization at best in ANY of such “indigenously” developed technology or product”. India’s scientific and research QUALITY is going down at an alarming rate since last two decades (as per Scopus database). Almost all cities and towns are nothing but public toilet without much civic facilities (starting from drinking water to open swage to electric supply). Quality of public health, sanitation, level of corruption in highest judiciary, extremism – almost everything is growing and growing fast. This CWG is attracting simply because our “system” is now being reviewed by “outsiders” who have a different standard to judge things and have their own interest at stake. Otherwise, nothing can attract our politicians, bureaucrats to address any public problem (unless they are remunerated financially). We have effectively destroyed all the INTERNAL control mechanism, be it general governance, or corporate governance or educational and research quality. We had and still have good human resource and natural resource BUT do not have a backbone to oppose corruption happening in our own home or office or housing society, to start with. By shouting in such forums and wring blogs will not solve the problem. We must show our guts to do something in real life. If we do not have the courage and conviction to oppose corruption, we should at least acknowledge the reality in public forums and personal discussions than to glorify each and everything in the name of “patriotism” and “image”. Such misplaced priority of “patriotism” and “image” will only lead us to such pathetic show in future as well. Wed 22 Sep 2010 21:14:14 GMT+1 Anton http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=88#comment226 I also think the problems may not be as bad as they are made out. Countries like Britain and others know a lot of athletes are pulling out for security reasons, so they are pinning the blame on infrastructure and the village not being 'inhabitable' to divert blame on to the Indians.I saw extensive footage of the the towers in the athletes village both the inside and out, and I have to say I was impressed. Wasn't it only 3 or 4 days ago one of the British commonwealth representatives there had said the athletes village was the best he had seen, better than last CW games, Beijing and other before that.. Wed 22 Sep 2010 20:53:39 GMT+1 Saurabh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=88#comment225 Instead of hosting a major event in a certain city (New Delhi in this case), why doesn't India as a whole host this event. We can have opening ceremony and hockey in Delhi, tennis in Chennai, Badminton in Mumbai,.. and so on. In this way too much pressure is not put upon a single city and this model leads to the overall development of the country and its people. Each city may have a small games village and just one or two stadia for the city's events. This would also increase the country's unity and would be people's games. Wed 22 Sep 2010 20:47:37 GMT+1 Anton http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=87#comment224 Just to give a prior warning, we could see violence flare up on Friday in the city of Allahabad in the state of Utterpradesh in Northern India as a court ruling will decide, to put it simply, whether a piece of land there belongs to Muslims or Hindus. It is the land where a mosque, built by the first Mughal emperor, Babur in 1527 (they were Central Asian Turks originally from Uzbekistan who ruled India for some 300 years prior to British rule), was destroyed by a Hindu mob and replaced with a Hindu temple. If there is violence following the ruling, it could have ramifications for the Commonwealth Games because team may decide not to send or pull out, if they are already there. Wed 22 Sep 2010 20:33:29 GMT+1 BLRBrazil http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=87#comment223 Reading through this sequence, I really feel for a large number of Indian contributors, who are evidently horrified by what they are seeing and feel so utterly ashamed and helpless. Take heart my friends. First of all, this is not just an Indian problem but, as I said above, a 3rd world characteristic. Secondly, with people like you guys around, there is always hope, through the example you can set for your fellows. And thirdly, there is a growing realization that the world's problems cannot be resolved through emigration (host countries just cannot absorb any more), much less by banning it (we are all affected, eventually, by what goes on in other parts of the world - I think it's the only thing I agree with GWB on). The inevitable conclusion is that, in order to make the world a better place, we all need to help the countries that most require assistance to raise the standards for their citizens (using quality of life criteria more than wealth ones). It will become a snowball effect that can then be passed on to other countries, things will improve everywhere and nobody will need to migrate to flee oppression or achieve a minimal decent standard of living. So don't think you're alone, just keep doing your bit.And modify the capitalist system. It's all we have, for the moment, but don't forget that it was unbridled capitalism that gave birth to communism in the first place, and has now seriously undermined the trust that is so essential to the functioning of the commercial/production system (the real economy, not the glorified casino the financial system has become; it has lost touch with its prime function, of oiling the wheels of the real economy). Wed 22 Sep 2010 20:14:45 GMT+1 vjrnb http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=87#comment222 @Jay, i completely agree with you.. the polotical party in question here is more concerned about family and vote bank politics than governing the nation. would like to remind folks of the brave front which we, as a developing nation, had put up in tough situations like Pokhran II, IC 814 hijack, Kargil, Parliament attack, etc.. most of which had the NDA flavour and vigour in it. Wed 22 Sep 2010 20:05:31 GMT+1 BLRBrazil http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=86#comment221 Why is it so difficult to post a comment on this blog? I have tried to post 3 comments and not one has appeared. And when I try again, I keep getting a message saying "you've already said that". Wed 22 Sep 2010 19:57:13 GMT+1 BLRBrazil http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=86#comment220 @ 20: I think your notion that the parliamentary system is to blame and that the presidential system of government would be the solution is sadly misconceived. There are more checks and balances in the UK parliamentary system than there are in the US presidential system. What really makes the latter function is the American public's demand for accountability. And that lies at the heart of any functioning political system - the demand to live up to high standards set by its citizens and fear of reprisals if they don't.That corruption is so endemic in the '3rd world', indeed is a defining factor, is that the public tends to have such low expectations, or feels uttely powerless to do anything about it, largely because there are no reprisals and impunity is rampant. Wed 22 Sep 2010 19:54:15 GMT+1 Jay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=85#comment219 If Congress is in power for few more years, India will be like Ethiopia (SORRY, if I hurt Ethiopian feelings by comparing with India) in every sense of political, social and corporate governance. This UPA government has practically ruined all the great efforts of previous NDA government to bring some degree of self-respect to Indian people and the country at international stage. Level of corruption and deterioration of social and moral values is now reaching its breaking point. India does not need any Pakistan or Islamic terrorist or naxals to destroy itself. Our own “brown sahibs” , social elites and politicians are better in doing that. Those terrorists and extremists can just relax and leave that job to our political masters and their bureaucratic slaves. They can do that faster. Wed 22 Sep 2010 18:44:51 GMT+1 Jay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=85#comment218 I do not understand why each and every sporting mega events goes to Delhi? If such events were organized in some other city, then they also can build their infrastructure. Almost everyone in INdia acknowledges that Delhi is THE worst city in India; so far public civic sense, crime, level of corruption is concerned. Hundreds of years of corrupt and power politics (starting from the Muslim invaders to British and then our own “brown sahibs”) have ruined the very basic backbone of that city. Present day Delhi has almost nothing positive to share; other than its feudal past, few cosmetic decorations and meaningless flaunting of ill gotten money (just like an emerging social elite or neo-rich person without education and culture). Such level of corruption (even in Indian standard), as we see in this CWG preparation, is possible only in Delhi. Wed 22 Sep 2010 18:31:36 GMT+1 BLRBrazil http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=85#comment217 @ 48: the British Commonwealth may have had its roots in colonialism but it has evolved far beyond that, based on a relationship of mutual respect and common interests. It is also entirely voluntary and numerous countries that were never colonies have applied over the years to join it. As a forum for international debate, it is only surpassed by the UN, which is far more politically and ideologically compromised. Wed 22 Sep 2010 18:09:38 GMT+1 BLRBrazil http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=84#comment216 @ 20: there are even fewer checks and balances in the US political system than in the UK parliamentary system and the only thing that makes it work is the accountability demanded by the American people. The only reason corruption thrives in the '3rd world', and is one of its principle defining characteristics, is that the people either feel powerless to change things or actually tolerate it. Wed 22 Sep 2010 17:52:47 GMT+1 Garth Geyan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=84#comment215 What a shame! The Chinese did a spectacular job with the Olympics! May be the Indian government can "whitewash" the Commonwealth Games with Bollywood stars like Sharukh Khan, Salman Khan Amir Khan or Kareena Kapoor etc.- may be make them run around the mosquito infested buildings with a Bollywood song and dance routine!!!! Wed 22 Sep 2010 17:41:52 GMT+1 Guru S http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=83#comment214 What a cornucopia of ineptitude and deceit from India's bureaucrats. Here are some shining examples of the "gems" uttered by those in charge of the games:"We are making first-rate preparations"A portion of the roof of the weightlifting venue collapses, but it is "not something to be worried about". The chief minister of Delhi comments on the collapse of a brand-new pedestrian overbridge at the main event venue, by claiming the bridge was meant for "ordinary" spectators.But the top prize goes to possibly the most brazen, shameless oafs of them all. Lalit Bhanot, secretary general of the organizing committee, explains away the debris, stagnant rainwater, mosquitoes, leaks, non-functioning toilets, and the shocking presence of human and dog feces in the athletes' village, by saying: "According to us the room may be clean, but the foreign officials may require a certain standard of cleanliness and hygiene which may differ from our standards" (!!!).I am glad none of my taxpayer money has gone towards funding this debacle. If this is "The Indian Way", I want no part of it. Wed 22 Sep 2010 17:30:42 GMT+1 Guru S http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=83#comment213 What a cornucopia of ineptitude and deceit from India's bureaucrats. Here are some shining examples of the "gems" uttered by those in charge of the games:"We are making first-rate preparations"A portion of the roof of the weightlifting venue collapses, but it is "not something to be worried about". The chief minister of Delhi comments on the collapse of a brand-new pedestrian overbridge at the main event venue, by claiming the bridge was meant for "ordinary" spectators.But the top prize goes to possibly the most brazen, shameless oafs of them all. Lalit Bhanot, secretary general of the organizing committee, explains away the debris, stagnant rainwater, mosquitoes, leaks, non-functioning toilets, and the shocking presence of human and dog feces in the athletes' village, by saying: "According to us the room may be clean, but the foreign officials may require a certain standard of cleanliness and hygiene which may differ from our standards"(!!!).I am glad none of my taxpayer money has gone towards funding this debacle. If this is "The Indian Way", I want no part of it. Wed 22 Sep 2010 17:24:32 GMT+1 anandmann http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=83#comment212 I just can't understand the big fuss about the whole games a no show. I'm a delhite and not many are enthusiastic about bring a third rate game to the town. Some people in their vanity wanted to host it and now they are left with tail between their legs. Everyone in Delhi knows the truth - Not many wanted to be part of it so we have outside labor, outside contractors and federal money. We don't give a monkey, if the games are canceled so be it as it will save hours of traffic jams in the city. Secondly my only desire was to see Usain Bolt as he is not coming who cares what substandard performances that will be on offer in ten odd days. I'm moving out to nearby city Chandigarh to witness a good cricket match vs Australia and enjoy less hectic environment as there will be 17 days holidays in Delhi. Thank you Commonwealth games for such a relaxing break in the beginning of the festival season. Wed 22 Sep 2010 17:23:14 GMT+1 anti_lynch_mobs http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=82#comment211 Delhi needed a Lalit Modi. Wed 22 Sep 2010 16:53:23 GMT+1 harrySOTONUK http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=82#comment210 Oh dear, there really is a lack of ignorance amongst certain bloggers here, who are apparently devoid of both intelligence and history. Yes, the British were colonial rulers in Inda, just like they were in most parts of the Caribbean, Australia and many countries in Africa.The inept professionalism, administration and governance surrounding the current Commonwealth Games in India cannot be blamed on a colonial ruler that was rendered to the sidelines more than 50 years ago.Yes India and the UK still share a rich tapestry of culture, business, political and community links, but the scenes of collapsing bridges and dilapidated accommodation is frankly all the doing of India.And do not for one second think this is an easy article to write. I am a second generation Indian, born in the UK to parents of Indian birth. My father has always stated that one of the worse things to ever happen to India was the British withdrawing and allowing India to govern itself completely. A set of criteria should have been put in place that should have allowed the natural progression of independence - not merely overnight - which was the case with India's Independence.Look at Hong Kong. A city with 100 years British rule (now a Chinese Special Administrative Territory). A city that can hold its own to being one of worlds biggest financial and business powerhouses. Do you think similar issues would have prevailed in Hong Kong - if it was hosting the 2010 Commonwealth Games?Many of India's greatest achievements are actually British engineered. The railway network. The postal service. Law & Order. Even the Grand Trunk Road, known affectionately as the 'GT Road' (the highway that connects Delhi to the Punjab region) is British engineered. But 50 years of neglect, administrative bureaucracy and political abuse and corruption has led all of these facets becoming just a figment of their former glories. There is no denying that India is a world leading business powercentre, for the services and IT industry - but conceiving, developing and running a world event such as the Commonwealth? I am not so sure.It is no surprise then that the current situation in India is at breaking point. I think the decision to grant India the games in 2010 was premature and miss-judged by the Commonwealth Games Select Committee.Perhaps waiting another 15 years was the answer. Wed 22 Sep 2010 16:53:07 GMT+1 chrome2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=81#comment209 I dont agree that the games should only be organized by canada/britain/ england. Malaysia had no such problems back in 1998. The problem is the games is not considered very prestigious, poorer countries do not want to foot the bill.I think the fault with these problems clearly lie with the Federal government. When you want to participate in an event for image building, how can there be so little control for so long. Clearly lack of oversight by the highest leadership. Anyway, there's still a chance for some success. It's a sporting event afterall, people aren't here for the architecture. Wed 22 Sep 2010 16:14:12 GMT+1 LestaMan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=81#comment208 This post has been Removed Wed 22 Sep 2010 15:58:57 GMT+1 ScottNYC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=81#comment207 @JamesTrust me, we don't want the likes of you in our fair city. We like to keep it clean.@PaulStill playing the "you don't get irony" card? Sheesh, so old. Why not try being creative for once? Come on, I know you can do it. Wed 22 Sep 2010 15:58:45 GMT+1 RantingMrP http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=80#comment206 Delhi is not, and will not, be ready for the Club Games - it's that simple. One hopes the Games' organising committee are in touch with the Aussies - I think it will come down to an alternative host at the very last minute, with the Games postponed by at least a month: Melbourne or Johannesburg look like the likeliest venues.Forget Delhi. Wed 22 Sep 2010 15:30:22 GMT+1 Paul Brooks http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=80#comment205 This is a shame. This was India's chance to show that it really was emerging as a nation out of third world poverty and that would have been worth a lot to it. Instead it has done the opposite. somebody suggested blaming the Commonwealth games committee for awarding the games but if they hadn't they would have had criticism so always awarding the Games to the big Westen countrioes like Britain, Australia and Canada. India deserved a chance but perhaos the games should haev been taken away when progress was clearly not being made. Having said that the stadia are basically in place and fine (so long as they don't act like footbridges!!) It is the village which is unacceptable. The games will go ahead but probably with a vastly reduced number of competitors.Yes major games always have problems, Athens made it by the skin of their team, London will have something and a lot is stirred up by the press looking for a story. However these aren't minor things. Two days before athletes turn up the village is clearly uninhabitable and footbridges are falling down. 12 workman injured. If it happened during the games then it would be 100s of spectators and if panic set in then perhaps 1,000s.This isn't posturing by the teams, they have serious concerns.One last point, this is a problem for this games, lets not throw the baby out with the floodwater. The Commonwealth games is a great 'friendly' event. I went to Manchester 2002 and it was a brilliant event. Melbourne 2006 was great and Glasgow 2014 will be great as well. The issue might come in who will bid for 2018 and the implication is that it could be a British, Australisian or Canadian host for quite a while after this and that is a shame Wed 22 Sep 2010 15:20:18 GMT+1 Dave_Dubai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=80#comment204 After 20 years in Dubai it really does not come as a surprise at the lack of organisation. With the amount of back handers going on, I am surprised it got off the ground at all. Wed 22 Sep 2010 15:04:50 GMT+1 bakhtawar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=79#comment203 pariah nation !! There is little premise left to contradict this. The world should imagine how these Pariahs treat my beautiful kashmir Wed 22 Sep 2010 14:57:48 GMT+1 ZombieJay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=79#comment202 Just a thought, but how will the security aspects work where unlimited numbers of volunteers and workers are helping to try to get this debacle up to code? Especially with the endemic corruption at any level important enough for one person to by bribed by another. Athletes and spectators alike must be getting concerned that they may fall victim to something going kaboom. Be it collapsing constructions, domestic or international terrorist devices. I fear greatly for these games and one of the previous posters was right, call it off "due to excessive flood risk". Either that or parachute ScottNYC in to show 'em how it's done... like Atlanta. Wed 22 Sep 2010 14:48:19 GMT+1 Pras_n_Srini http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=78#comment201 And #167--you do realise that if UK leaves the Commonwealth, the entire concept collapses?(not a disagreement--as Commonwealth is no more useful than UN or UN's predecessor LN, both of which proved miserable failures) Wed 22 Sep 2010 14:47:46 GMT+1 Pras_n_Srini http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=78#comment200 Also, for #177--you forget quite a lot of facts. Iraq certainly had WMD's prior to 1990 (chemical weapons such as mustard-gas are included--and these were provably used at Halabja as well as against Iranian soldiers). Wed 22 Sep 2010 14:45:45 GMT+1 Pras_n_Srini http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=78#comment199 Responding to #192--bhaktawar is basically an Islamic shiller and empty-vessel who thinks he is entitled to a luxurious life. Wed 22 Sep 2010 14:43:57 GMT+1 ESchrodinger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=77#comment198 This is all about responsibility and decision making and how it works in India. There is a tendency for decision making to be made by individuals who have little interest, actual oversight or personal involvement in the details or progress of their project once they have secured it. There is a considerable class gap between those who own a project and those who manage the work. Those who own a project rarely want to see what is going wrong and, let alone being pro-active or determined towards fixing it. Indians at all levels, from government ministers down, know that all Indian building projects overrun. This doesn't matter for an office block - but to build something for an event, as per specification, is something that 'Indian Standard Time' always conspires against because the people at the very top don't concern themselves with deadlines or process.Having organised large international events in Delhi, I can't say I'm surprised at the reports. When I work there I find myself in endless supplier meetings at director level where it would appear to a bystander that agreements are being made, but either nobody at the meeting has decision making responsibility, or, having agreed to something, they'll happily back out of it later.I would guess as far as the village is concerned, it's the landmark buildings - the stadia and complexes that have seen all the attention, funding and decision making. While the village, as it may be seen as a less prestigious project by those involved, has been treated as a poor cousin. I would imagine that no-one with any power at government or committee level will have thought to take it upon themselves a few months ago to identify that progress was poor and take personal responsibility for fixing it.A word about the athletes. With the exception of cricketers and Bollywood stars, few sportspeople and performers (unless well connected) have the same relative status in India that athletes in other countries enjoy. So there may be a view there that the village accommodation need not be that special for the athletes. The developers will bring them up to spec after the games before putting them on Dehli's inflated property market. It's worth musing that if the athletes' apartments were being built for cricketers, they would have been finished long ago and would no doubt be five star quality!Which brings me to the rubble and excrement and the publicised comment that hygiene standards are different from the west: no Delhi citizen is content with rubble and excrement, they wouldn't expect foreigners to be ok with it, they just put up with it as part of daily life across most of their city. The Delhi government simply doesn't see a city-wide clear up and the installation of public toilets as a need, though Delhi's citizens would very munch like to see it done.A final note, having been a visitor to government offices in Delhi, there is rubble, dodgy wiring and bad plumbing in their ministerial buildings too.. Wed 22 Sep 2010 14:25:15 GMT+1 ESchrodinger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=77#comment197 This post has been Removed Wed 22 Sep 2010 14:06:23 GMT+1 ESchrodinger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=76#comment196 Having organised large international events in Delhi and I can't say I'm surprised at the reports. There is a tendency for decision making to be made by individuals who have little interest, actual oversight or personal involvement in the details or progress of their project once they have secured it. There is a considerable class gap between those who own a project and those who manage the work. Those who own a project rarely want to see what is going wrong and, let alone being pro-active or determined towards fixing it. Indians at all levels, from government ministers down, know that all Indian building projects overrun. This doesn't matter for an office block - but to build something for an event, as per specification, is something that 'Indian Standard Time' always conspires against because the people at the very top don't concern themselves with deadlines or process.When I work there I find myself in endless supplier meetings at director level where it would appear to a bystander that agreements are being made, but either nobody at the meeting has decision making responsibility, or, having agreed to something, they'll happily back out of it later.I would guess as far as the village is concerned, it's the landmark buildings - the stadia and complexes that have seen all the attention, funding and decision making. While the village, as it may be seen as a less prestigious project by those involved, has been treated as a poor cousin. I would imagine that no-one with any power at government or committee level will have thought to take it upon themselves a few months ago to identify that progress was poor and take personal responsibility for fixing it.A word about the athletes. With the exception of cricketers and Bollywood stars, few sportspeople and performers (unless well connected) have the same relative status in India that athletes in other countries enjoy. So there may be a view there that the village accommodation need not be that special for the athletes. The developers will bring them up to spec after the games before putting them on Dehli's inflated property market. It's worth musing that if the athletes' apartments were being built for cricketers, they would have been finished long ago and would no doubt be five star quality!Which brings me to the rubble and excrement and the publicised comment that hygiene standards are different from the west: no Delhi citizen is content with rubble and excrement, they wouldn't expect foreigners to be ok with it, they just put up with it as part of daily life across most of their city. The Delhi government simply doesn't see a city-wide clear up and the installation of public toilets as a need, though Delhi's citizens would very munch like to see it done.A final note, having been a visitor to government offices in Delhi, there is rubble, dodgy wiring and bad plumbing in their ministerial buildings too.. Wed 22 Sep 2010 14:04:42 GMT+1 ESchrodinger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=76#comment195 This post has been Removed Wed 22 Sep 2010 14:04:26 GMT+1 ESchrodinger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=76#comment194 I have organised large international events in Delhi and I can't say I'm surprised at the reports. There is a tendency for decision making to be made by individuals who have little interest, actual oversight or personal involvement in the details or progress of their project once they have secured it. There is a considerable class gap between those who own a project and those who manage the work. Those who own a project rarely want to see what is going wrong and, let alone being pro-active or determined towards fixing it. Indians at all levels, from government ministers down, know that all Indian building projects overrun. This doesn't matter for an office block - but to build something for an event, as per specification, is something that 'Indian Standard Time' always conspires against because the people at the very top don't concern themselves with deadlines or process.When I work there I find myself in endless supplier meetings at director level where it would appear to a bystander that agreements are being made, but either nobody at the meeting has decision making responsibility, or, having agreed to something, they'll happily back out of it later.I would guess as far as the village is concerned, it's the landmark buildings - the stadia and complexes that have seen all the attention, funding and decision making. While the village, as it may be seen as a less prestigious project by those involved, has been treated as a poor cousin. I would imagine that no-one with any power at government or committee level will have thought to take it upon themselves a few months ago to identify that progress was poor and take personal responsibility for fixing it.A word about the athletes. With the exception of cricketers and Bollywood stars, few sportspeople and performers (unless well connected) have the same relative status in India that athletes in other countries enjoy. So there may be a view there that the village accommodation need not be that special for the athletes. The developers will bring them up to spec after the games before putting them on Dehli's inflated property market. It's worth musing that if the athletes' apartments were being built for cricketers, they would have been finished long ago and would no doubt be five star quality!Which brings me to the rubble and excrement and the publicised comment that hygiene standards are different from the west: no Delhi citizen is content with rubble and excrement, they wouldn't expect foreigners to be ok with it, they just put up with it as part of daily life across most of their city. The Delhi government simply doesn't see a city-wide clear up and the installation of public toilets as a need, though Delhi's citizens would very munch like to see it done.A final note, having been a visitor on a few occasions to central government offices in Delhi, there is rubble, dodgy wiring and bad plumbing in their ministerial buildings too.. Wed 22 Sep 2010 14:04:00 GMT+1 Paul http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=75#comment193 @ScottNYCWe in GB agree with everything you said. As a result we have despatched our Army, Navy and Airforce to take back our former colonies in Virginia and beyond. I hope you will be first at the Quayside when we arrive to restore order to your sad little colonial backwater.PS in case you don't understand this is sarcasm and irony. Wed 22 Sep 2010 13:58:06 GMT+1 d8xter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=75#comment192 let's face it, you knew, just like any other citizen with sense, this has been coming. India media knew this has been coming. What have they done? Disgusted, that is all.Are these game doomed? saying yes would be an understatement I'm afraid. Wed 22 Sep 2010 13:50:15 GMT+1 Luketerr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=74#comment191 179. At 1:20pm on 22 Sep 2010, bakhtawar wrote:Pariah Nation !!!. 120,000 mudrers in kashmir proves this t================incorrect information...U sound like a Pakistani...Have we invited u yet ? Wed 22 Sep 2010 13:41:26 GMT+1 ESchrodinger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=74#comment190 This post has been Removed Wed 22 Sep 2010 13:29:17 GMT+1 Jay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=74#comment189 All the pride we Indians developed in last 15 odd years (mainly under previous NDA government) is affectively destroyed by this UPA government. This CWG fiasco is the last nail. Today I am really ashamed to be an Indian, living abroad, in a common wealth country. Each and every TV channel here are making fun and mockery of India for this fiasco. It seems that India is full of idiots who have no food in their stomach (one third of population), does not follow a decent morality level (mainly at the higher level), do not know how to run a country BUT day-dream to become superpower! Wed 22 Sep 2010 13:17:16 GMT+1 bhastings http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=73#comment188 I'm not surprised by all this as someone who can remember the goings on at Pankot Palace in 1984 and the corruption of Maharajá Zalim Singh influenced by Thugee cult leader Mola Ram.Thank god for Indiana Jones freeing those child slaves!! Wed 22 Sep 2010 12:42:49 GMT+1 sicakes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=73#comment187 the western commonwealth teams do need to grow up. i mean come on yaar this is so smacking of snobbery, doe anyone remember the south african comments? Wed 22 Sep 2010 12:25:05 GMT+1 sicakes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=72#comment186 this is my opinionsadly a lot of indians saw this coming.but the western commonwealth teams do need to grow up. i mean come on yaar this is so smacking of snobbery, doe anyone remember the south african comments? Wed 22 Sep 2010 12:24:51 GMT+1 sicakes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=72#comment185 sadly a lot of indians saw this coming.but the western commonwealth teams do need to grow up. i mean come on yaar this is so smacking of snobbery, doe anyone remember the south african comments? Wed 22 Sep 2010 12:24:21 GMT+1 Al http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=72#comment184 I have travelled to India extensively and can see the corruption for what it is. India has a pretence of being an emerging power but it is still a joke 3rd world country and no amount of nuclear bombs it has can make it pretend to be anything else.Everything runs on Indian time. There is no rush to do anything. The best thing that could happen to India is for many of the larger nations to boycott the games. This will cause huge embarrasment and hopefully force the authorities to take things more seriously and start allowing more foreign experts to help them with these large projects instead of showing chauvanistic pride thinking they can do it themselves when they clearly can't. Wed 22 Sep 2010 12:24:20 GMT+1 sicakes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=71#comment183 think comments like 'scared of falling sick' and 'unfit for human habiataion'are unwarrented and draw negative links. committee chief Suresh Kalmadi as almost all indians know is a man who has heralded this mess and is a buksheesh hero... (he likes a bribe) Wed 22 Sep 2010 12:22:15 GMT+1 sicakes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=71#comment182 sadly a lot of indians saw this coming. but that does not excuse the snobbish response to India by western olympic groups. I am a proud Englishman whose wife is Indian and i love both countries and see them as home. Wed 22 Sep 2010 12:21:51 GMT+1 sicakes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=70#comment181 sadly a lot of indians saw this coming. but that does not excuse the snobbish response to India by western olympic groups. I am a proud Englishman whose wife is Indian and i love both countries and see them as home.I think comments like 'falling sick' and 'unfit for human habiataion'are unwarrented and draw negative links. committee chief Suresh Kalmadi as almost all indians know is a man who has heralded this mess and is a buksheesh hero... (he likes a bribe) Wed 22 Sep 2010 12:21:38 GMT+1 sicakes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=70#comment180 sadly a lot of indians (pukka ones not the fakoo kind) saw this coming. but that does not excuse the snobbish response to India by western olympic groups. I am a proud Englishman whose wife is Indian and i love both countries and see them as home.I think comments like 'falling sick' and 'unfit for human habiataion'are unwarrented and draw negative links. committee chief Suresh Kalmadi as almost all indians know is a man who has heralded this mess and is a buksheesh hero... (he likes a bribe) Wed 22 Sep 2010 12:21:04 GMT+1 Pratik http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=70#comment179 LuketerrI would be glad if I could see it cover the lost glory (Commonwealth 2010 is already lost...) if we are able to do it in style.Regards. Wed 22 Sep 2010 12:20:41 GMT+1 bakhtawar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=69#comment178 Pariah Nation !!!. 120,000 mudrers in kashmir proves this too. Wed 22 Sep 2010 12:20:18 GMT+1 Luketerr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=69#comment177 PratikI just hope F1 venue does not bear the same fate.================================FI will not hv the same fate simply because its a private entity thats involved in its bidding n development....similar to how India hosted the IPL ...Never trust our govt. to do the right thing Wed 22 Sep 2010 12:13:59 GMT+1 Raja http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=69#comment176 168. At 11:15am on 22 Sep 2010, Sandeep Kumar wrote:US National inteligence council says India is the 3rd most powerfull counrty in the world, =====THey also said Iraq had WMDs but i guess its just the oil they found at the end. I can believe the OIL is a WMD as that what US wanted. If people believe what US inteligence says then i guess they don't have a mind of their own. If the "Inteligence" was so good then all this stir would neve have happened in this world. and Corrupt people comon guys .. how many film, dramas and media is rumming after and raising the issue but what have changed. so there is no point arguing on this platform as ur COMMENTS left here will make no difference to anyone. nothing has changed for the last 60 years so it wont change in one day. Thanks Wed 22 Sep 2010 12:11:20 GMT+1 Pras_n_Srini http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=68#comment175 Basically, Commonwealth 2010 has been a redux of Asiad 1982 (which WERE held)--enough said! Wed 22 Sep 2010 12:11:02 GMT+1 Luketerr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=68#comment174 168. At 11:15am on 22 Sep 2010, Sandeep Kumar wrote:US National inteligence council says India is the 3rd most powerfull counrty in the world, =====U really believe that now don't you ??? Wed 22 Sep 2010 11:48:01 GMT+1 Luketerr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=67#comment173 168. At 11:15am on 22 Sep 2010, Sandeep Kumar wrote:US National inteligence council says India is the 3rd most powerfull counrty in the world, =====U really believe that now don't you ??? Wed 22 Sep 2010 11:47:40 GMT+1 Luketerr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=67#comment172 162. At 10:29am on 22 Sep 2010, James_England wrote:Thanks for your vote of confidence ...atleast the people need it.. Wed 22 Sep 2010 11:36:57 GMT+1 DonRuggio http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=67#comment171 Sport vanity continues - football, olympics, and such. While it brings people together, only the rich see it. If sport was localised and not all about money, much more would be spent on things that really matter. Wed 22 Sep 2010 11:30:42 GMT+1 Pratik http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=66#comment170 Sandeep, because of these thoughts, the system never changes. We don't need changes, we need revolution to upstage these corrupt leaders and get good ones reinstated.I feel responsible too because we aid corruption somehow the other in this country.Let's face it but we are not ready for staging such a prestigious game in our country as of yet.I just hope F1 venue does not bear the same fate. Wed 22 Sep 2010 11:16:33 GMT+1 Vikram http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=66#comment169 For the ones not going to be at the games venue to see what is happening, do this - go to the Chinese embassy. Consider applying for a tourist visa. Then go to the Indian embassy. You'll see the difference. Wed 22 Sep 2010 11:10:28 GMT+1 David Lee Williams http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=65#comment168 Off topic from the original blog, but there does seem to be an argument about who can host a better Olympic games; Britain or the US.Let's not forget the last time the US hosted the event - Atlanta - it turned out to be the worst games in recent history that was based on capitalism and commercialism.The games are traditionally declared the best games ever by the IOC in the closing ceremony - but the Atlanta games were not given this honour. Finally I remember some reports at the time suggesting that the bid contained lies about among other things, the summer climate in Atlanta in order to make it look more favourably.The London 2012 games maybe many things but it's ultimate aim is to bring the country together and to regenerate and improve facilities for the young athletes of tomorrow. So far everything looks as though it will leave a positive legacy on the country. Wed 22 Sep 2010 10:16:19 GMT+1 Sandeep Kumar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=65#comment167 Get out of history guys....India 'was' a former colony of Britain but so was USA. Agreed India has corrupt people but which country has'nt(read chirac for latest news), believe me Indian media/watchdog and judiciary is far better than other countries, that's why the news comes out in the first place.And please shrug of the burden of history will you guys, we indians have, when you will the world do it? when will people stop living in thier past?Live in present and future, not in past.US National inteligence council says India is the 3rd most powerfull counrty in the world, India is moving on, hope the world also. Yes, i hope the games run well Wed 22 Sep 2010 10:15:27 GMT+1 den2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=65#comment166 The fact is the UK should leave the Commonwealth, it has absolutly no relevance to us anymore.This would allow others to do likewise removing the need to hold any games, situation sorted. Wed 22 Sep 2010 10:11:00 GMT+1 1979StChristopher http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=64#comment165 I truly hope these games do go ahead to become a great success. Beside the fact India deserve these games, every major event has initial fears. Britain’s turn will come leading up to 2012!Indian people are so patriotic of their country, and not aggressively so like the US, with these games a deserved opportunity to show the World how much India has progressed. Wed 22 Sep 2010 10:10:51 GMT+1 Jazz http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=64#comment164 What is happening is Delhi is unfortunate for all Indian's. The Indian government has once again let its people down. No one but the people who offer or accept bribes are to blame for the current situation. You can not blame the British who left India over 60 years ago. You cannot blame Pakistan either.The full blame goes to the greedy politicians who think of filling their pockets rather than the good of the nation. Yes the Indian population elects them but they are also tricked by false promises and false hopes, for the parliament seat. India is moving forward, but change does not take place over night it takes time and patience. These games should go ahead, let the people who visit India see how we welcome them with open arms. We may not have the best stadiums or the best accommodation. But we still have open hearts and smiles for all. Wed 22 Sep 2010 10:09:30 GMT+1 whatnotwhunot http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=63#comment163 My oh My ... the biggest 'AOUTA KELING'!!! Wed 22 Sep 2010 10:04:11 GMT+1 Raja http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=63#comment162 HI I have notices that Mr Biswas has a great ability to creat a stir. I beleives its a broken record that is on repeat. India should never had taken a responsibility which it can't fulfil. Wed 22 Sep 2010 09:36:19 GMT+1 James_England http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=63#comment161 Shame on you Scott. For me, you have captured wonderfully the essencence of why the rest of the world feels the way they do about America.I can honestly say that I would rather go to the commonwealth games in India and stay in a tent than I would go to NYC and stay at the Ritz-Carlton - why? Because the people in India are a 1000 times nicer! I accept that they are having serious issues with the build but I'm sure they'll pull through. They always do.Regards, James Wed 22 Sep 2010 09:29:00 GMT+1 Manu_fan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=62#comment160 This post has been Removed Wed 22 Sep 2010 09:17:00 GMT+1 Rahul http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=62#comment159 ok, sitting on BENCH and being so called satelite patriotic, i have time and want to say the following.1962 taught Indian politicans the importance of Military so i hope and wish that 2010 will teach these same people the importance of what is called as TIME MANAGEMENT and INFRASTRUCTRE QUALITY, if lessons learnt the comming years will change the fate of the Billions if not the India you see today will be the same one after another 50 years, still people queing outside embassies of every tom dick and harry country but India !!! Wed 22 Sep 2010 09:16:51 GMT+1 ian cheese http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=61#comment158 Let us put a brave face & let the Games go ahead. There may still be surprises ahead & if these turn out to be most unwelcome then we can say that, with the greatest forbearance, we have not turned our backs on India. Wed 22 Sep 2010 09:15:48 GMT+1 Manu_fan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=61#comment157 Ban Kalmadi...from holding any public office at any level with immediate effect.Also India needs a sports minister from real sports background and not just any politician. Wed 22 Sep 2010 09:15:14 GMT+1 AyJayBee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=61#comment156 Considering the current state of world finances, how can so much money be justifiably spent by an impoverished country! The principle of International Games is ideal in an ideal world, but can we afford to aspire to such principles? Wed 22 Sep 2010 09:07:25 GMT+1 Gerald http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/09/are_the_delhi_games_doomed.html?page=60#comment155 If our system had any sensitivity on the ethos of sports or in solving our regional crises, the games should have been held in MANIPUR. The Rs. 20,000 Crores would have uplifted the North-East from poverty and conflict and supported our extremely talented north-eastern sportsmen, which by the way represents a majority in Indian sports.Being Indian, I am so ashamed with what is happening... Wed 22 Sep 2010 09:04:32 GMT+1