Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html en-gb 30 Mon 22 Dec 2014 22:02:25 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html montypython http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=95#comment22 The game is being played at less than the height of Ben Nevis, what a load of rubbish about altitude.1214 meters is not even 4000 feet. Fri 26 Jun 2009 19:14:42 GMT+1 SuzyPoison http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=91#comment21 Great article..very true, I am from the Cape and always struggled when we played highveld teams. However because half the Bok team is from coastal areas, probably not such an issue as it's made to be. More importantly is the kicking practise. The Lions will only have one practise session for their kickers at altitude.The Boks have been based in Pretoria all week, and such have been working on their kicking game. The ball travels alot further on the highveld, and the Bok game is very much based around the kicking game. Much has been made of obvious last week, Lions mid-field busts and Boks scrummaging, but not the strategy the lead to these two showings. Firstly the Bok backline was hardly used, and that is not an indication of their attacking game, just the correct strategy employed. this week, promises to be different.For the first 60minutes, the Lions were pinned in their half by accurate Bok kicking, once the kicking went astray, the Lions were able to cause some trouble. Seeing as the Lion policy is not to kick the ball out, (Lineouts are Bok strongpoint) their kicks were aimed at Steyn, and the chasers sped up on him really quickly. This policy worked to certain extent, but needs to spot on this week, as Steyn has a massive boot. Fri 26 Jun 2009 06:05:06 GMT+1 MattieJ31 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=86#comment20 Thanks for the reassurance DavidT_CO! :) Thu 25 Jun 2009 16:15:31 GMT+1 Simon Austin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=82#comment19 Fair enough Coxcurrygod. Any tips? Thu 25 Jun 2009 16:12:08 GMT+1 itsonlydave http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=78#comment18 I am also sceptical. Aside from the Bulls players who play in S14, they will not have trained consistently at altitude in last 6 weeks unless they have based themsleves there. (who wants to live in Pretoria anyway) 6 weeks away will negate the effect. Plus they will also have been at Durbs too so the effect is the same. The Lions fitness will be the key. But S14 training stars in Dec/Jan so its a bit of a lottery. A quick start, good kicking and opportunities taken will give the Lions what they need. Jacobs at centre and SJ at FH may be the key. The Beast is overarrated as he fouled at every scrum and AJ is better. So come on boys, come on Lions and lets bash the Boks from here to next week. Thu 25 Jun 2009 15:29:33 GMT+1 Coxcurrygod http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=73#comment17 Your technique on the rowing machine was absolutely dreadful. Not important. Just thought you'd like to know. Thu 25 Jun 2009 15:00:42 GMT+1 Welsh_but_sane http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=69#comment16 The Beast is from Durban and he'll have to hold up Adam Jones' 20st frame in the scrum. So all being well he'll be blowing out of his backside after 30 mins. Thu 25 Jun 2009 14:30:17 GMT+1 Bring_Back_Barnes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=65#comment15 Haha slightly higher up from the forehead. The lighting crew have done a great job but i suppose theres only so much they can do with it :)Great Blog Thu 25 Jun 2009 14:06:40 GMT+1 DavidT_CO http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=60#comment14 MattieJ31, That is exactly what the pro gridiron, basketball and ice hockey teams do before playing in Denver. They learned from bitter experience. Thu 25 Jun 2009 13:45:26 GMT+1 Saffavescent http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=56#comment13 I enjoyed seeing "Richard Irvine-Brown - BBC Sport"s comment being held for moderation. Guess you can't be too careful after the RB-JR affair! Thu 25 Jun 2009 13:39:54 GMT+1 Conne_green http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=52#comment12 Gentlemen... am sure you will agree that both teams will have the same problem, half the Springbok team are from the coast. So I don't think we should use altitude as too much of an excuse. Unless of course the Springboks have been camping out in Pretoria for a while now? Thu 25 Jun 2009 13:26:36 GMT+1 Simon Austin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=47#comment11 #4 Bring_Back_Barnes...are you talking about the poor lighting or my forehead?! Thu 25 Jun 2009 13:16:45 GMT+1 DavidT_CO http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=43#comment10 As I understand it there are a couple of adaptations the body makes when at altitude. In the first few hours the blood will thicken due to reduction in blood plasma volume in an effort to increase the density of red blood cells. The body will grow extra red blood cells which will take a few days. Finally there will be an increase in muscular oxygen efficiency. This adaptation takes months at altitude and the 'boks that live at altitude will have this advantage.I think the Lions were correct not to base themselves at altitude for the tour as it becomes much more fatiguing to to high intensity workouts, thus limiting overall training load. Thu 25 Jun 2009 13:09:03 GMT+1 MattieJ31 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=39#comment9 "By travelling up to Pretoria the day before the game, we have been advised that the effects of altitude won't have chance to kick in," Is anyone else a little concerned about this statement. Who advised that?...They weren't South African by any chance???Its got all the hallmarks of a MASSIVE backfire to me! Thu 25 Jun 2009 13:06:59 GMT+1 Richard Irvine-Brown http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=34#comment8 Hahaha, Si.Looking at that freezeframe on the video I was expecting you to open with "Hello, Clarice..."(Mountain) top blog. Thu 25 Jun 2009 12:59:39 GMT+1 Hesperian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=30#comment7 @ HamchesterUnitedAgreed. I understand of course altitude acclimatisation is different.However, the point of that training is that it increases the number of red blood cells and therefore the bodies ability to process oxygen into energy. Much like 'blood doping' of the 80's. So if the Boks were well off match fitness at sea-level they will struggle even more at altitude with only a week to prepare. As far as I'm aware, you can't develop a 'propensity' to altitude extertion if you don't already have a high level of fitness (something they seemed short of at sea level last week). Thu 25 Jun 2009 12:56:53 GMT+1 DH87 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=26#comment6 @ Herspian:It is not to do with fitness, but almost all to do with altitude acclimatisation. The number of Red Blood Cells in the blood is increased through altitude training allowing more oxygen to be carried per unit time. Yes this increases slightly with normal high-intensity training, but nowhere near as much if you trained at altitude.I don't know much about the 'boks training regimes, but my bet is it includes some work at altitude, which is more than our lads do regularly.One example of my point is the TV programme showing the celebrities who climed kilamangiro (sp?), Chris Moyles struggled far less with the altitude than the GMTV presenter and Ronan Keating, not because he was fitter, but because he used to smoke. This has damaged the internals of his lungs, such that every breath transports less oxygen to the blood, so the body adapts by upping RBC construction (or dropping the removal of older RBCs) Thu 25 Jun 2009 12:33:57 GMT+1 HillwalkIreland http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=21#comment5 Climbing a 600m mountain with a backpack on your back is a great workout. I can only imagine what it's like to play a test match at 1370m! C'mon the Lions!http://www.hillwalkireland.com Thu 25 Jun 2009 12:02:03 GMT+1 HillwalkIreland http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=17#comment4 Climbing a 600m mountain with a backpack is a great workout. I can only imagine what playing a Test match at 1370m is like! C'mon the Lions! Thu 25 Jun 2009 11:59:29 GMT+1 Bring_Back_Barnes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=13#comment3 Really interesting article - Shame about the glare in the video :P Thu 25 Jun 2009 11:09:10 GMT+1 Hesperian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=8#comment2 I'm still amazed that everyone seems to think that the Lions will suffer more than the Boks.Effort at altitude is only made more difficult due to less oxygen in the air (as stated above). And our ability to convert what little oxygen available is down solely to fitness.As I remember it was the Boks who were struggling heavily in the last 20 mins of the match, this despite their raft of changes for fresh legs too.If we fall apart in the last 20 minutes it won't have anything to do with our fitness. Thu 25 Jun 2009 10:58:15 GMT+1 Betsenbell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=4#comment1 Really liked the comment where you agreed with Dallaglio about "breathing tar".Gives you a good perspective on how hard it is to work without oxygen. Thu 25 Jun 2009 10:50:18 GMT+1 andrewtheboom http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/dizzying_heights.html?page=0#comment0 Great blog, more behind the scenes stuff from the BBC.The Lions will be severely hampered by the altitude in the second test and although it was meant to have the opposite effect, this blog has convinced me of that even more so.http://sportingchameleon.wordpress.com/ Thu 25 Jun 2009 10:39:07 GMT+1