Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html en-gb 30 Wed 01 Jul 2015 08:00:42 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html boycie00 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=97#comment36 Not sure why everyone's so upbeat. I'm extremely concerned with the game our coaches appear to be going for - and I'm not the only one. Like me Sean Fitzpatrick has just said he believes our pack is "lightweight" and Jenkins could be a weakness come scrum time. Our game plan, according to Gatland, is to try & move their pack around & run SA off the park which is not only fanciful but will also mean lots of isolated breakdowns, where we're like fish out of water.All the players selected are talented in their own right and all bring something to the party but I believe we should have played more to our strengths, taken them on up front where our intensity, familiarity with the maul etc could be used to our advantage (SF made the point about our intensity being greater than SA's at the moment due to the way the NH play comapred to the super 14 stuff) I think we should have gone for Sheridan at 1 and Hines at 6 (with Worsley for Williams on bench) to provide the extra power in scrum/maul/pick & drive and for clearing out the rucks. Really hope I'm wrong. Sat 20 Jun 2009 10:44:42 GMT+1 powerRugbyG http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=94#comment35 Well boys this is it!Theres a couple players I would have changed in the side but last time I checked I have never won a lions test/match, so the time for that chat is done!Heres to a massive Lions performance, and what we are all praying will be a massive win to set up the series! Right.. better get to the off license! Sat 20 Jun 2009 09:59:54 GMT+1 Keanescan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=91#comment34 In OZ and can not wait for the game, its on here at 11pm so only a few hours, go the lions!!!! Sat 20 Jun 2009 09:30:59 GMT+1 ellfromgavenny http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=89#comment33 Just managed a bit of cheese on toast with a sprinkling of black pepper. Nicely lined stomach now for a day of consuming mindless amounts of alcohol whilst celebrating a Lions victory!!!The wife is away for the weekend with the kids, life don't get much better than this!!!! Sat 20 Jun 2009 08:52:21 GMT+1 numberwanpurened http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=86#comment32 ellfromgavennySpot on. Its immense. Heres for a storming performance from POC and BOD. Come on. Intae them. Sat 20 Jun 2009 08:30:50 GMT+1 ellfromgavenny http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=83#comment31 My stomach is doing somersaults and i hardly slept a wink last night. God only knows how the players must be feeling. C'mon the Lions!!!! Sat 20 Jun 2009 08:28:17 GMT+1 numberwanpurened http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=81#comment30 Blindside @ 28. Stop being so reasonable. Your ruining the banter :-)...... Anyway .... Here we go. Whit a laugh. Intae thum. Sat 20 Jun 2009 08:13:41 GMT+1 ThirstyLabrador http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=78#comment29 Up early with the kids and they are now colouring in my England shirt red. Could be there for a while. Both teams have strong benches. Think it will be crucial when the bench gets played as both teams will surely get tired quickly on this surface from the constant whacks. Sat 20 Jun 2009 06:58:34 GMT+1 Simon Austin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=75#comment28 Thanks for your comments everyoneSunny, warm and clear day here in Durban. I expect the hard ground (if weather stays like that) to favour the Boks...don't you?I'm thinking of the pace and power of Spies etc and that fact that the Boks are used to playing in those conditions in the Super 14# 15 larrylizard - interesting point. There was apparently an agreement in the contract between the Lions and SARFU/ provinces that all the teams on tour would field their strongest teams. Obviously that has been broken...the Lions don't want to take it further because it was a gentleman's agreement essentially. # 24 KendalEightball - I am really looking forward to seeing Spies play live. Thought he was fantastic in the semis and final of the Super 14. Don't think I have seen a forward with such pace and power before. How will the Lions combat him? And how good will he be at the breakdown/ rucks & mauls? Sat 20 Jun 2009 06:44:50 GMT+1 blindside http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=72#comment27 While I think SA will prevail, their fans should be modest until the game is played. Most observers thought NZ would beat France easily. Just like the SA cricket team, the wheels can fall off at any time. SA have some weaknesses in their team and if the Lions forwards can get on the front foot they can expolit these areas. Looking forward to the game.On the food poisoning in '95 - it certainly happened but the fallout was not handled well by the AB management. The poisoning was likey to be an accident but the suspicions remain. Sat 20 Jun 2009 01:43:49 GMT+1 numberwanpurened http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=70#comment26 Saffavescent @ 22. Mate I dont know what you mean about Spurs? I didnt mention anything about refs or the game only the lingering whiff around the Kiwis feeling they were dealt a rather unusual blow when more than half the team came down with food poisioning before the world cup final. I think your point just goes to show many Boks fans like to give it out but when some is given back the teddies come out the pram. Disappointing but predictable. Any comment on GaryKes's posts then dude? Fri 19 Jun 2009 22:52:57 GMT+1 KendalEightball http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=67#comment25 njt221's comments have humbled me - absolutely right, it is after all just a game and should be seen as an opportunity to bring us all closer together over a hard fought game of rugby between 44 very lucky athletes.May the best team win. Fri 19 Jun 2009 21:37:39 GMT+1 njt221 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=64#comment24 Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen. This perhaps the greatest opportunity to bid goodluck to our respective opponents and celebrate a significant world sporting event. For the Lions at least this is as big as it gets. Good luck Boks Come on you Lions!It's a celebration Fri 19 Jun 2009 21:20:17 GMT+1 KendalEightball http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=62#comment23 SA only won the last WC because of a dodgy TMO decision.And Pierre Spies is a gym monkey.But I have to admit - GaryKes is right, NZ are the best Southern Hemisphere side and they can't beat the 3rd best side in the 6 Nations. Fri 19 Jun 2009 21:18:10 GMT+1 ellfromgavenny http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=59#comment22 SAFFAVESCENTI'm looking forward to the comments after too when you boks are well and truly beaten. You maybe World champions but that was yesterdays news. Sundays news will be of the Lions taming your sorry bunch Fri 19 Jun 2009 21:03:59 GMT+1 Saffavescent http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=56#comment21 numberwanpurened: "Thrashed" by 3 tries to 9 in 1997. Nice one. Most South Africans accept you beat us fair and square, but a thrashing it was not.And as for the 'food poisoning'... guess you also believe Spurs ate a 'dodgy lasagne'? And I suppose you're behind the Kiwis when they blame their last WC loss on the ref?Looking forward to the game. And to seeing the comments afterwards, I predict much moaning about the ref, rules, warm-ups... possibly a mystery waitress named Susie. Fri 19 Jun 2009 20:39:10 GMT+1 numberwanpurened http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=54#comment20 GaryKes 50% of world cups. Jah true but do you think the Lions will have to come down with mystery food poisioning for you to thrash us like the Lions did the Saffers in 97? The Kiwis still insist that world cup doesn't count as their team were sabotaged. The Southern Hemisphere aint as behind you as you may like to think. Sure the Lions are underdogs but your in for a bigger game than you think my pedigree chum. Fri 19 Jun 2009 20:18:09 GMT+1 pjholybloke http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=51#comment19 How did the English EVER get labelled as arrogant?This is a massive deal for both hemispheres, personally I see the gap closing year on year.I expect it to be a very close series.A fiver says Roberts does a "Gibbs" on The Beast. Fri 19 Jun 2009 19:44:17 GMT+1 Njovitjo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=48#comment18 I suppose all these assumptions made by Lions pundits (read as 'fans') would apply if the Boks say were playing the All Blacks or Australia...but thats just saying that out of respect for those two great teams. Regardless of whether they havent played in 6 months etc, the Boks will always be the Boks and instead of the Lions feeling secure that the Boks havent played for a while, they should be worried that maybe their confidence has been inflated and may get 'popped' in the 3 tests.If we follow the logic that full-streangth club teams should have been fielded their first teams with Bok players, i would imagine (humbly) that the Lions would have been beaten by any of them considering they did win all but not by a convincing margin, albeit almost losing 2 games!In any regard we will give the Lions fans leave for their loyalty and need to salve their 'fear' as we go into the test...besides, its all banter and opinion, and what does it really count for?(myself included)haha Fri 19 Jun 2009 18:10:36 GMT+1 hunk4hire http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=45#comment17 There's no comparison between this Springbok side and the '97 team.The Blue Bulls (of whom a number are in the Springbok side) just took out the Super 14 after they walloped the NZ side in the final. They are a superb outfit. These guys are not "underdone". They have been playing rugby since February and have had a short break.It's gonna be a Bok victory and it will not be pretty for the Lions. They're going to be whitewashed. They just don't have the firepower to compete with this Bok outfit. Fri 19 Jun 2009 16:45:52 GMT+1 Hallewell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=43#comment16 Just saw the New Zealand France game - the best defence I have seen enabled France to win - but the all blacks looked a bit rusty and so imo the Springboks should have had a proper run out.Why is there zero on the BBC website about the France-NZ series - 1st test was tumultuous and unusually high quality tv camera coverage of it? Fri 19 Jun 2009 16:22:52 GMT+1 legendaryChippy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=40#comment15 GaryKesYou are correct in your assumption that SH Rugby is superior. As I have pointed out earlier SA should win. However, it is all going to be on the day. They won the world cup in 95 but still lost in 97. Facts and figures are there for creative discussions, but there is a lot at stake, probably more so for the saffers.Will it get to them? Who knows.This will be a truly exciting test series all round, and if SA win, then well done. I still think it will be close though.I think it will be between 6-10 points and will be either way. Depends on the rub of the green. Fri 19 Jun 2009 16:15:26 GMT+1 larrylizard69 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=37#comment14 The stadiums were far from full for the provincial (club) games and this was largely because who wanted to see the Lions whip a half baked SA side without the stars. There should be a gentleman's agreement that as many of the full club team should play. What about the fringe or bench players who miss the club game and then don't get a run on in the test? Devastating! And the other full blown members would want as many cracks at the Lions as possible - a club win over the Lions is a massive scalp and something the grandkids will never hear the end of... Fri 19 Jun 2009 16:10:18 GMT+1 GaryKES http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=35#comment13 'The best of for nations'?? hahahha, are you crazy? okay, out of those four nations.. only one has ever won the world cup. South Africa have won 50% of the world cups they've been in. And the mean point is, the Super 14 is better than the Heineken Cup, it is obvious, think about it, the three top ranked countries in the world are the countries that make up the super 14, in the past 5 years 4/5 of the IRB players of the year have been from the southern hemisphere, all the IRB teams of the year of the past 5 years have been from the Southern Hemisphere. And the fact there are 10 players in the Boks team that are in the Blue Bulls, a team which has won the Super 14 twice in three years.. shows we have great players. I'm not saying for one moment the Boks are the best in the world, because even as a South African I think the All Blacks are better ( true they've only won the world cup once, but in the past 5 years have won IRB team of the year 4 times and have had 2 IRB players of the year) , but the point is southern hemisphere rugby is superior, and SOuth Africa is representing it. Fri 19 Jun 2009 15:51:25 GMT+1 njt221 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=32#comment12 There is of course going to be hype from both sides (and from we bloggers) but know this: The idea that the boks will be undercooked is simply irresponsible. Don't buy it. Undercooked? Get real! This is the Boks you are talking about. Anybody here who has ever toured at any level in Saffaland will tell you that this is simply a silly idea.Come on Lions! Fri 19 Jun 2009 15:49:15 GMT+1 blindside http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=29#comment11 Not playing the Boks in the club teams is their choice. Just like the choice the NH teams have made when they send down their second and third rated teams, year after year, for the June tests. But, of course, they want the SH teams to be at full strength for the Nov tests. Perhaps Keith Wood should have thought of that before he talks about disrespect. Fri 19 Jun 2009 15:15:00 GMT+1 powerfulLeedsRhinos http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=27#comment10 You should be worried Bryan Habana because we have the best of 4 nations countries. Keep dreaming South Africa the lions will win by a ton Fri 19 Jun 2009 15:08:43 GMT+1 rtdcolonel http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=24#comment9 The Boks hopefully will come a cropper on Saturday through not having their best team challenged in a real match situation for so long. The Lions, apart from the last game have physically had it quite easy compared to tours of old and have been able to forge strong combinations in a real game situation. Are the Springboks really better than 2 years ago? Playing Smit at prop, no full back, issues at 10, plus some players most notably Habana seem to have backwards - when the commentators stop talking about his speed but praising his alround game having been outpaced by an inside centre, you know something has gone. Sure the lineout will be outstanding and Spies will be running hard but the Lions wisely IMO have chosen a team to pose very different challenges and will avoid the head on attritional battle. Fri 19 Jun 2009 14:50:01 GMT+1 tenniseveryone37 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=21#comment8 Keep dreaming Brits, It will be the boks by a ton! Fri 19 Jun 2009 14:49:31 GMT+1 preferugby http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=18#comment7 I agree with Keith Wood when he said that it was disrespectful to the Lions and not right to pull springboks players out of their club sides. He is right IMO, the Boks should have been made to play if selected for their club sides otherwise what is the point of touring? You might as well just play 3 test matches when all players have been rested and conditioned etc. This was a mistake by the organisers. Who it will benefit in the end we will see. Just by their coach saying: 'I would much rather be in this position than if we had played games and picked up injuries' smacks of conspiracy to give the boks all the advantages, eg high altitude training, while the lions were being beaten at sea level. But also it shows how worried they are of losing this series.Go Lions! Fri 19 Jun 2009 13:44:34 GMT+1 legendaryChippy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=16#comment6 IMO there is always the desire to win, and all the talk that goes around from the players on both camps is generally the same. The simple factor is 'who wants it the most'. Both teams have great players, but playing the game is different. A pass not going to hand, a silly knock on. These are the mistakes which can lose you a game. It has happened time and time again over the decades. If only he had done this....we would have scored!!So, therefore, I think it will depend on who doesn't make mistakes and who can handle the pressure. As Habana says, this is the pinnacle of his career, and probably of his colleagues also. They also have the weight of an entire rugby mad nation on their backs, coupled with the fact that the 97 boys also lost. So, the big question is can they handle it. Worlds cup are no comparison to a 3 match series you will only play probably once in your lifetime. They will not be able to do any analysis because essentially the Lions haven't played as a full test unit yet. As a welshman, I have to say, I think the Boks SHOULD win, but I think, if Geech gets the physicallity right, they will struggle.I hope Geech et al, have got it right because if they have we are in for a corker!!!SA 19 lions 28I think this because what little ball we may get in the backs, I believe we have got some real majic out there to score points. Fri 19 Jun 2009 13:36:49 GMT+1 Tinhead_Ned http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=13#comment5 The mood of the british media and lions fans seems to have come full circle now: for the months leading up to the tour there was a lot of negativity, not enough world-class players for the lions against a brilliant springboks side. Once the first matches of the tour had been played, however, there was suddenly talk of the quality of the lions, the competition for places, and undercooked boks. One day before the test, and suddenly the media seems to be talking up the boks again....all I can say is, I can't wait for the game tomorrow!! Fri 19 Jun 2009 13:08:08 GMT+1 ChelseaSaffer http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=10#comment4 Not just the XV that will start, if u look at the bench: Gurthro Steenkamp, Deon Carstens, Andries Bekker, Danie Rossouw, Ricky Januarie, Jaque Fourie, Morne Steyn all match winners on their day.It's gonna be HUGE! Fri 19 Jun 2009 12:36:03 GMT+1 politedebate http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=8#comment3 RE Post 2:I think that South African players have played enough rugby both collectively and individually this season to know what is required of them. I fear we are over hyping our own chances which could backfire. Come on Lions! Fri 19 Jun 2009 11:55:40 GMT+1 northstandwarrior http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=5#comment2 As it gets closer, and you look at the SA side, some of the hubris subsides and you start to get worried that if the Lions dont perform at 100%, they could be in for a bit of a tonking. Habana sounds very positive.Yells of encouragement have been displaced by a nervous chewing of the bottom lip.On second thoughts, away with the nay-saying, come on the Lions! Roll on tomorrow! Fri 19 Jun 2009 11:48:47 GMT+1 mac3991 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=2#comment1 SA are an immensley talented side, however I do think that i would bet for a lions win based on their match fitness and battle readiness. SA players should haved played in the warm ups for their respective provinces I think it was a bad mistake for ommiting them Fri 19 Jun 2009 11:28:35 GMT+1 politedebate http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/south_africas_lions_gamble.html?page=0#comment0 I am very worried.. The Boks have been together for so long I don't think they will be 'undercooked' and they are awesome 1 to 15. This is a massive task for the Lions. Why do they play the teams at the top of their game each time?? Referring to All Blacks in 05 especially!Come on Lions! Fri 19 Jun 2009 11:26:46 GMT+1