Comments for en-gb 30 Fri 22 Aug 2014 08:14:33 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at whatisthepointof303 Okay this is getting beyond a joke now. the Freeview stream on 301 is a fantastic channel, particularly for those of us who like sport but there needs to be at least two streams on Freeview. As I type this the stream of Henin-Sharapova is about to be interrupted by Eurovision!!!!! Yes, Eurovision which is on BBC1 anyway!!!!! Quite unbelievable.Please restore two streams to Freeview because the ordinary viewer without HD is suffering, and they deserve more from the licence fee. Sat 29 May 2010 18:42:58 GMT+1 TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship #149. At 5:10pm on 04 May 2010, Sue_Aitch wrote:"@ David [comment #148]Try asking the manufacturer of your Sat Box"Better still, why not ask the specialists, after all "david mahoney" asked them to correct a fault, the fact that he still can't receive what he used to receive suggests there is still a fault and thus have not done what they were paid for!... Tue 04 May 2010 16:33:18 GMT+1 Sue_Aitch @ DavidTry asking the manufacturer of your Sat Box Tue 04 May 2010 16:10:45 GMT+1 david mahoney Missing BBC MULTISPORT Until about 20th April 2010 I could click on Sport/BBC Multisport on my 2 months old Bravia Sony (digital via satellite dish and HD).Then I got a screen message "LNB Overload" and had blackouts,screen glitches and failure to raise clicked on channels so being non technical I called in local TV specialists in aerials and dishes.They found that my LNB antenna was u/s and fitted a new one.All was well(all channels responding EXCEPT BBC Multisport.When I clicked on that channel I get a "please wait" note which is still there 30 minutes later.The button also feels "dead" Can you help a non technical 70+ year old please? Tue 04 May 2010 05:39:00 GMT+1 Sue_Aitch Please, Red Button Team, would you revise page 9990 once more: the banner about the loss of the News Multiscreen is refering to five months after the event ... I miss Multiscreen still. Fri 26 Mar 2010 11:19:17 GMT+1 Hyperstar 302 is still needed Tue 23 Mar 2010 19:47:29 GMT+1 Sue_Aitch Re 146 James, have you tried a complete reboot?Over Aid Download shedules for your boxes will appear form time to time here: good wishSue Thu 18 Feb 2010 07:45:39 GMT+1 jamesd447 I cannot get sound on Red Button with my Grundig GUD 1500XI (bought December 2009). But it works fine on my other STBs in the house (a Tevion and a Philips). So I guess it's not a coverage problem, but I've read lots of posts on the Web about software issues with different kit. Needless to say I've tried Grundig support but no help forthcoming.Sorry if this is the wrong place to post but I can't find my way around to post for Technical support? Tue 19 Jan 2010 14:05:50 GMT+1 Sue_Aitch See also Red Button Hle page 9990 for manufacturers' helplines. Tue 12 Jan 2010 11:44:40 GMT+1 Sue_Aitch Try the advice on is fine here in BBC London on the TVOnics and Panasonic Boxes I have. Fri 08 Jan 2010 12:35:49 GMT+1 julian Does anyone have any ideas as to why with the remaining freeview channel 301 is unavailable to view? Since the retune at the end of September, whenever there is something on the red button you click on the red button and an automated message states that 'at the current time this service is temporarily unavailable'. It has been since October so I was wondering if there is an easy fix?Any comments much appreciated. Wed 06 Jan 2010 12:47:42 GMT+1 TelevisionUser As the many comments above indicate, there has been significant disquiet over the way that the BBC have handled the closure of the majority of Freeview's interactive channels. Indeed, I understand that there have also been quite a number of complaints made to the BBC Trust over this very issue.I would like to make a couple of constructive points. Firstly, and in so far as it is practically possible, could the BBC have as much extra sport as possible, e.g. Scrum V, Test Cricket Scoreboard, Final Score, etc. as possible on the remaining channel 301 on Freeview in addition to the entertainment content and children's material?Secondly, the Freeview high definition service will have been established by the completion of digital switchover in 2012. Therefore, could the BBC please give a commitment now to re-examine the channel spaces available in 2012 to the BBC and other public service broadcasters to see if is practically possible to reinstate the lost Freeview interactive services?Do you think you could please respond to these questions via the main blog above or by a blue box response? Thanks. Tue 29 Dec 2009 16:27:19 GMT+1 DisgustedOfMitcham2 So I guess that's why I wasn't able to watch the snooker today.Did anyone at the BBC even for one minute consider what your viewers might want? I used to be a great fan of the BBC, but the way you seem to take decisions purely on a whim and ignore the views of the people who pay your wages is starting to really annoy me. Sat 05 Dec 2009 21:28:08 GMT+1 AUKKIWI A really disappointing decision, and now we don't even have the option to hear a 'proper' commentary on any rugby that does make it on to the 301 channel, but only Fanzine babble. Probably worth a big fat bonus to the genius that made that decision! Fri 04 Dec 2009 22:07:04 GMT+1 PJNev This decision is really frustrating!! As a tennis & snooker fan and free-view viewer, the viewing is now going to be greatly limited particularly with snooker since the BBC will now not be able to show all the action live (at World Championship) & will reduce what it shows at the other tournaments - And quite often the match the BBC choose to show is not the one i want to watch. I also noticed that Score on Saturday was not on! I'm not bothered about HD, bring back 302!!! Thu 03 Dec 2009 17:57:23 GMT+1 Graham Is the BBC working with SKY? As it now seams, they want the licence payer to pay extra, over and above for a service that the BBC are broadcasting. Has this action been passed by the Governors & Government.How will people who have no Sky deal with this, are the BBC going to reduce the TV licence to compensate, for having SKY installed.I own a listed building, and so have to apply for planning consent just to get SKY. Fri 27 Nov 2009 13:27:38 GMT+1 duncan If you didn't like Dr who this weekend was a waste of time on red button, on freeview. get 302 back BBC Wed 25 Nov 2009 19:02:06 GMT+1 Andrew Bowden dcwinter - whilst HD on Freeview will initially be in London and the North West (rather than just Manchester), it will be rolled out nationwide as digital switchover occurs across the country.Sean - there was a suggestion that BBC HD be broadcast overnight in areas where digital switchover has not been completed, however that idea was not taken forward. Divis switches in 2012 so I'm afraid you'll have to wait until then to get BBC HD via Freeview. It is, of course, still available via cable and satellite. Tue 10 Nov 2009 12:09:45 GMT+1 Sean Will HD Freeview test be available in NI from Divis transmitter?I seen somewhere as the test will be at night, taking off BBC Four and BBC Parliament Tue 10 Nov 2009 03:18:37 GMT+1 dcwinter Shame on you BBC!What a suprise - these changes are only for those with pockets deep enough to pay for an HD TV. Also, Manchester and London eh? What a suprise!It seems that you've forgotton we are in a recession too - how are we going to afford a new TV when times are so tough?The idea that the BBC is representative of the UK is a joke, and I'd urge everyone here to complain to the BBC Trust (not that it'll make a difference since they made their minds up already). Sun 08 Nov 2009 22:52:04 GMT+1 LordWoz The link at the top with Raul follow up to the comments above does not work.This is a stupid move by the BBC, but it seems to me that they don't care.Can't you get it in your heads. We should have been asked about this. Fri 06 Nov 2009 14:43:29 GMT+1 tinman very bad move by the BBC to remove the video weather forecast on new multiscreen. I work outside and rely on being able to get the weather forecast when I need it. this was one of the reasons I got freeview. The text forecast on digital is never accurate or updated often enough. I do not always have the time to wait for my pc to boot up then browse to the bbc weather page then not be able to watch the weather forecast properly due to buffering all the time. I have an 8mb connection with O2 access and at peak times it is so congested you cannot watch BBC video as you cannot pause the stream to cache it on your pc to watch smoothly... I have sent the BBC an official complaint about this. Thu 05 Nov 2009 10:35:27 GMT+1 hippybikerpunk Most disappointed at the loss of 302. Having seen the extra coverage available on freeview red button of F1, MotoGP, Snooker, was my reason for buying a freeview box in the first place, and then raving about it to my other ludite friends. I look pretty stupid now, don't I.I would like to complain about how this switch-off has been handled. The first anyone knows of its demise is when they try to use it. No mention of it on BBC news (main news or 80) on, or preceding the switch-off date. Why is there time on BBC news to talk about stuff like 'Strictly... ' in which i have zero interest, but something of the magnitude of discontinuing a service as useful as 302 is not even mentioned?I feel like i've been robbed & i'm not happy.I live on the south coast. Channel 5 never became available here on analogue. Will we EVER get HD on freeview here? i've still got analogue TVs, what use is HD to me anyway? 302 i found very useful, F1 practice, MotoGP qualifying, 125 & 250 racing, & now its all gone. Sob! Sun 01 Nov 2009 22:50:58 GMT+1 Tony Wrenn Feeling much the same as Posh. Why was it necessary to remove the Red Button Facility when there is no replacement service for freeview viewers?Why at the end of the F1 coverage were we invited by Jake Humphries to press our red buttons in order to join the commentary team on the F1 Forum?Why is it also published in the Radio Times that the Red-button facility is available when it is not? If the Redbutton transmissions are available what do we have to do in order to receive them? Sun 01 Nov 2009 17:36:28 GMT+1 poshsimontemplar I really am angry about the complete failure to get the F1 forum coverage on Freeview today.I pressed red and could only get the New York Marathon or the Cycling.I tried my two TVs and no luck on either. Channel 302 was no longeravailable.This really has got me so wound up.The BBC Management have no idea how angry they have made me.-Posh Sun 01 Nov 2009 16:31:11 GMT+1 Tim George Removal of news multiscreen is fine if the coverage from BBC News Channel provides the regular information required and promised. As one example, this week we switched on to hear weather forecast just before 8.30pm, to hear a brief 30 second presentation, with promise of more details in half an hour. Just before 9pm, the same forecast was broadcast, with the same promise of a more detailed forecast in another half an hour. So if I switched on at just after 8pm, I would have to wait nearly 1.5 hours to get a detailed forecast! This has happened on too many occasions in the past.The news multiscreen would have given us the information we needed (we were on a walking holiday in Cumbria) in a few minutes, rather than a 1.5 hour wait for a detailed forecast!!!Secondly, at 9pm one evening last week, the news headlines included a story on Michael Jackson. It was the evening that Gordan Brown had announced a U turn on TA funding reductions and there were a lot of interviews connnected with this, but we watched from 9pm to 9.50pm waiting for the Michael Jackson story, then gave up, fed up of waiting!So take away News Multiscreen, but give us the information we need through BBC News Channel a little quicker please! Sun 01 Nov 2009 09:55:12 GMT+1 Rod_G I'm fascinated by the job title "Controller of the BBC Red Button service".There are also green, yellow and blue buttons on my freeview controller ....In fact there are 37 buttons on the controller. Perhaps there is a "Controller of the BBC Help Button service" Sat 31 Oct 2009 18:33:26 GMT+1 duncan I'm not interested in HD but very interested in all the sport that is not available on freeview red button over this weekend. Just read your own web pages on red button Saturday NO F1 alternative commentary ; nor rugby league and reduced cycling Sunday No football league show, now alternative commentary for F1. this is first few days over the coming weeks there will be so much the BBC have paid to televise which normal families who can not afford Sky etc. will miss.The way this has been implemented is dreadful I am disgusted and very very disappointed with the BBC Fri 30 Oct 2009 22:23:49 GMT+1 Andrew Bowden Rahul has responded to many of the questions and comments raised here in a follow up blog post. If you haven't read it already, it's available here: Thu 29 Oct 2009 10:56:00 GMT+1 drt @Boilerplated - there is Classic F1 this weekend, see for details.And since my comment (but probably unrelated to it), Classic F1 is back on the 301 schedule - hurrah!But, the F1 Forum, advertised on the EPG last Sunday for immediately after the race is now replaced by the New York Marathon - and so the BBC fails F1 fans again. Wed 28 Oct 2009 21:19:30 GMT+1 TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship 119. At 5:37pm on 26 Oct 2009, drt wrote:"This is a whole lot of Bassey, and not a lot of "scheduling shorter runs". The net result? No Classic F1 for the last race of the season."Err, that might be because there is no classic F1 races to be shown, the Abu Dhabi track being brand new, not because the BBC is obsessed with Miss Bassey! :~) Tue 27 Oct 2009 22:42:33 GMT+1 alaninbelfast With Freeview bandwidth neutered, maybe FreeSat will get some development time to allow it to catch up with News Multiscreen and the niceties that other platforms have. Tue 27 Oct 2009 21:03:00 GMT+1 drt @Rahul Chakkara: "whereas before we have run Red Button content in long loops, meaning it is repeated frequently, we will now be scheduling shorter runs to make sure we fit in as much content as possible into the remaining space we have"Really? Are you sure?A quick look at the EPG for this week shows that Shirley Bassey at the Electric Proms is on continuously from 0600 today (probably earlier, too) until 1920 on 27/10 (switching from 302 to 301 due to the closure), and again from 2240 on 27/10 to 1400 on 28/10, and again from 1500 on 28/10 to 1920 on 28/10 and again from 0600 on 29/10 to 1820 on 29/10, and again from 1910 on 29/10 to 0545 on 30/10, and again from 0600 on 30/10 to 0845 on 30/10, and again from 1445 on 30/10 to 1850 on 30/10, and again from 2310 on 30/10 to 0940 on 31/10, and again from 1120 on 31/10 to 1245 on 31/10.This is a whole lot of Bassey, and not a lot of "scheduling shorter runs". The net result? No Classic F1 for the last race of the season.If you are going to make a bad decision, at least be serious in your promise to minimise its impact.Present evidence would suggest little reason to trust the BBC on this. Mon 26 Oct 2009 17:37:12 GMT+1 Andrew Bowden Hello Tim - the BBC Trust is currently reviewing BBC Alba, and as part of that they are reviewing proposals for coverage on Freeview.A number of options have been reviewed and the suggestion the BBC Executive has made is to not broadcast BBC radio stations in Scotland via Freeview between 5pm and 11pm, which would release just enough space to broadcast BBC Alba. As part of the review the BBC Trust are seeking views from the public on all aspects of BBC Alba, including Freeview coverage.You can find out more on the BBC Trust website at you can take part in the BBC Trust review for BBC Alba at Mon 26 Oct 2009 16:40:21 GMT+1 Tim Jinkerson Surely if 302 is to go anywhere it should be used to roll out BBC ALBA on Freeview? Not to be sold off for more shopping and 'adult' channels. Mon 26 Oct 2009 16:15:23 GMT+1 AmbassadorDelenn Following on from Sue at No 109's point about the Paralympic Games, will this spell the end of coverage of the Wheelchair Event at Wimbledon? If so, I think it's a real shame as I've really enjoyed watching this over the few years the BBC has been covering it. Mon 26 Oct 2009 15:55:42 GMT+1 Douglas Potter I too have registered purely because of this. SAVE 302. The whole point of Freeview is to give choice in sport news and music. This decision is just plain unfair and wrong. HD maybe the future but what about now and the people who cannot afford HD?This bizarre decision MUST be reversed. Mon 26 Oct 2009 15:20:55 GMT+1 Andrew Bowden notodigital - as I understand it, the postcard you got about BBC One on channel 101 on Sky is because they're tweaking the regional versions. Some people don't get the appropriate regional news, so these changes will fix that.raffleticketdemon - if you don't have a HD set top box then you won't get BBC HD. However all the programmes on BBC HD are broadcast in standard definition on other BBC channels. Specifically on TVs, if your TV is labelled "HD Ready" this means it needs a set top box in order to get HD channels. If it's has a "HDTV" logo then it doesn't need a set top box. Right now the only "HDTV" TVs I know are Freesat ones, however they'll appear on Freeview eventually. Mon 26 Oct 2009 14:07:08 GMT+1 jce951 Why do they have to be messing with stuff.Just logging in to leave this message was a nightmare because they changed the id thingy.This messing about is now worse than ever,we all expect better from the BBC its bad enough changing to digital (out of order in most peoples opinion)but they now are forcing HD on us - the majority dont want it, its all very well if you have plenty of money and want to pay extra but why should the rest have to put up with changes. The widescreen thing still bugs me, the titles off the screen etc but i wont be bullied any more by the government or the BBC. Ive gone along with them so far as having sky fitted but im not going to put up with any more messing about.Our family have really had a belly full of all this if it doesn't all settle down in the next year or so i can think of at least 3 families doing without tv. Mon 26 Oct 2009 14:06:39 GMT+1 alan smith So does this mean that if you do not have a full HD television or a full HD box you won't get HD programmes? Mon 26 Oct 2009 09:34:41 GMT+1 Dan_G_WP 302 (along with 302) is the sole reason why I first bought a Freeview box a few years ago: during the snooker Grandprix, I knew there would be a brilliant semi-final that evening, so I went down to Tesco and bought a cheap STB.But what now? Snooker championships have two tables for most rounds -- having two interactive channels is essential. And what about the rest of sport -- this means that coverage of Wimbledon, the Olympics etc. is essentially being cut by 50%.All for HD, which no-one can tell from SD anyway (look at blu-ray sales)? Sun 25 Oct 2009 16:58:04 GMT+1 Midnitedraven So, digital switchover has meant people have had to go out and buy new equipment/pay monthly fees for Sky etc.Then going to make people buy more equipment, because of HD in 2010.So not only is this ruining the planet (making more equipment and dumping more eqiupment) in a time when its all "renewable energy" "we must change" "carbon footprint"; we're currently in a time where almost 2 million people are unemployed, with more jobs being lost everyday, pay cuts, pay freezes.Thats right, get us to spend a ridiculas amount of money on a license fee, and then CUT CONTENT!.If its not bad enough that such sports as Ice Skating (which i love, and never get to see) just isn't covered on any channel on freeview; and that when it is covered by the BBC, its an hour highlight program that involves the host talking to an expert for 35-40 minutes out of that hour.You're now cutting content for people (lets face it, ALOT of people) who cant afford Sky, or any other service (HENCE FREEVIEW) or cant have a dish on their house, or cable into their house.Broadband for everyone by 2012, lets introduce a tax for everyone with a phone line to pay for it! Even that is a stupid thing. (Not everyone wants bloody broadband).Its no longer FREEVIEW.Its what-we-can-be-bothered-showing-you-VIEW.And making room for HD services?I have NO interest in watching programs in HD.It makes no difference to me whether you can see every minute detail, funnily enough, im too busy WATCHING THE PROGRAM to care about how GOOD it looks.LCD HD tv's are the crappist quailty unless you have £1000+ to spend, which at the moment and in general NO ONE DOES!BBC, you are really beginning to lose the faith and confidence to watch your channels in the people of the UK.And WHEN is new season Spooks gonna be on!!! Sun 25 Oct 2009 01:36:24 GMT+1 Sue_Aitch So we'll get Winter Olympic Games coverage alright: any word about Winter Paralympic Coverage? Sat 24 Oct 2009 14:16:37 GMT+1 notodigital Dont sit back sky users, looks like they are messing with sky as well. I just had a strange postcard off sky saying something about not getting BBC1 on 101 anymore, im guessing that they are making 101 HD? This is really out of order i feel like switching the lot off.Are they really saying more people should be buying HD tv's how bad is that for the enviroment, they already have half the country throwing out perfectly good tellys for digital switch over. Ive not seen a good lcd or plasma tv for sale as yet - the pictures are awful compared to my old tv, HD costs money and its really not that good.The whole thing is a con. My old dad said they ripped us of with decimalisation and this is just another example.I now believe he's right. Sat 24 Oct 2009 13:32:37 GMT+1 Slickhick Slickhick - Hurrah Hurray i'm on cable - no problems. Fri 23 Oct 2009 18:54:01 GMT+1 Hyperstar Follow Up: Fri 23 Oct 2009 18:24:41 GMT+1 Hyperstar BREAKING NEWS: MASS PROTESTS TO KEEP CHANNEL 302 ON FREEVIEW OUTSIDE BBC OFFICES Fri 23 Oct 2009 10:40:07 GMT+1 TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship #103. At 11:23pm on 22 Oct 2009, GJ The Aussie Stud - Australia 2010/2011 Ashes Winners in Australia wrote:"boilerplatedare you the BBC lap dog as you seem to be finding excuses to cover for themits a rubbish decision by the bbc so stop making them look good "Err, defend them, if my criticism is defending them than I would love to what what I have to do to criticise them! The only things I have defended are the rather to heavy-weight/intellectual (for some, it would seem) Parliament channel and the rights of SD Freeview users against rather what I consider selfish HD users."KEEP CHANNEL 302 ON FREEVIW"My sentiment also, but along with 302 I also want to see all the other existing BBC channels/services survive. I suggest that you reread what I've said again... Thu 22 Oct 2009 22:57:55 GMT+1 GJ THE AUSSIE STUD boilerplatedare you the BBC lap dog as you seem to be finding excuses to cover for themits a rubbish decision by the bbc so stop making them look good KEEP CHANNEL 302 ON FREEVIW Thu 22 Oct 2009 22:23:11 GMT+1 Rialto2 Here is the link to the Ofcom proposal on HD on DTT paltform:[Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator]I believe p36 4.101 and Figure 2 on p37, as well as p60 5.25 show that only one BBC stream should be lost to vacate Mux B and one moved to Mux 2 to replace a Channel 4 service. Am I reading this wrong or have things been changed? Thu 22 Oct 2009 21:38:19 GMT+1 TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship #100. At 9:38pm on 22 Oct 2009, Brekkie wrote:"It's about priorities though, and it's BBC Interactive, not BBC Parliament, which is often flagged up as one of the highlights of Freeview. BBC Parliament would still be available on Freesat, Sky, online...//..."But so would the would be conetent of LCN 302....Sorry but democracy trumps even news, with BBC-P - as Tony Benn says in a trailer for the channel - we can see what is done in our name. I would prefer to see BBC1 close long before BBC-P.Anyway, as I understand it, parliament has decreed that the BBC must broadcast the proceedings of - at least - the House of Commons, so there is not a lot of chance that BBC-P channel would close even if someone in the BBC suggested the idea! This is also why during the last Olympics when the BBC did use the BBC-P channels Freeview mux for interactive content it was on the understanding that if Parliament was recalled from recess the interactive content would cease and BBC-P would resume."And back to sport - BBC Sport have stated they aim to offer live coverage of every event in 2012. This doesn't seem to be helping to reach that goal,..//.."Assuming that you mean the 2012 Olympics, come on, such a special even will probably take over all the regular BBC broadcast channels, BBC One and Two, the shared muxes of CBeebies, CBBC, BBC Three and Four, the iterative 301 and not doubt the same arrangements will be made to use the BBC-P channels whilst P is in recess as last year. Even then this does not include any extra spectrum that Ofcom could/will be making available on a temporary bases for television services. Thu 22 Oct 2009 21:11:39 GMT+1 Brekkie It's about priorities though, and it's BBC Interactive, not BBC Parliament, which is often flagged up as one of the highlights of Freeview. BBC Parliament would still be available on Freesat, Sky, online and if 302 remained better use of 301/302 could be made to stream live coverage of key debates and news events during the week when other live events aren't using the service.In reply to those saying about C4 giving space. I think that was only as part of the unrealistic "best case" scenario OFCOM put forward where even more channels were squeezed into the ITV/C4 mux. C4's main responsibility as part of all this has been to give space to S4C in Wales.And back to sport - BBC Sport have stated they aim to offer live coverage of every event in 2012. This doesn't seem to be helping to reach that goal, but I hope 302 would be reinstated by then - but really with DSO I expected at least one extra interactive stream, not two less! Thu 22 Oct 2009 20:38:37 GMT+1 TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship In reply to comments @ #98:Those who object to the BBC-P channels existance do not deserve an opinion, in my opinion... Thu 22 Oct 2009 20:01:15 GMT+1 pikester13 im stunned that people on here want the poxy parliment channel to stay on freeview in stead of 302 !!! whyyyyy its never served a ligitamate perpuse in terms of spectrum on DTT, never. i as a licence payer am sick of missing out on TV shows or live broadcast's via the redbutton coz of limmeted space! its a disgrace, and there aint any need for the overload of radio channels from the BBC on freeview becoz they are on D.A.B thats wot it for aint it??? later yaw'll Thu 22 Oct 2009 18:41:20 GMT+1 thetubberlad As a snooker fan, I'm deeply disappointed. With the UK Championship coming up, snooker's second biggest tournament, the thought of only being able to view one table annoys me.Shameful decision. Thu 22 Oct 2009 16:48:35 GMT+1 Hyperstar I want Dave Ja Vu to be removed to make way for 302 Thu 22 Oct 2009 16:02:59 GMT+1 TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship 87. At 1:00pm on 22 Oct 2009, poshsimontemplar wrote:"Some people have mentioned that there is covearge over the Internet. That's a poor substitute to watching a larger quality TV screen..//.."Especially when there is still a large portion of the population who either do not have a computer at home or if they do, can't get a fast enough connection, some are even still on a <! 52kbps dial-up service... Thu 22 Oct 2009 13:58:00 GMT+1 groovyccb121 Thinking more and more about the snooker situation, particular as the UK snooker Championship is coming up in December, we're only going to be able to view one table - and if we want to see any of the matches we miss, we'll have to wait till the early hours of the morning to see highlights on BBC2's Snooker Extra. I agree with comments above - if there's repeats on the main channels, then live entertainment should replace them any time - (e.g if it's repeats on BBC4, put the snooker on there occasionally, or even BBC Parliament if it's in recess?) Thu 22 Oct 2009 13:57:44 GMT+1 groovyccb121 Re post 92 - you're right, they should to that ;-)Love that episode of the Likely Lads, maybe that's what Freeview viewers will have to resort to :-) Thu 22 Oct 2009 13:55:06 GMT+1 TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship #79. At 11:47am on 22 Oct 2009, groovyccb121 wrote:"If we're only getting one interactive stream, i suggest the following:1. Screen sports which couldn't be shown live, later on in the slot, broadcast them 'as live'."...and the BBC should be banned from reporting the results in any shape or form, on TV, radio or online until they have been the above has been done - cue the '(What ever happened to) The Likely Lads' and episode: "No Hiding Place"! Thu 22 Oct 2009 13:43:04 GMT+1 GJ THE AUSSIE STUD comedy here it isFriday 30 october Cycling, Track World Cup1900-2300 Live coverage of Track World Cup from Manchester Scrum V1900-2100 Live coverage of Ospreys v Glasgow Warriors with commentary options (not available on Freeview) pathetic bbc decision Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:12:42 GMT+1 GJ THE AUSSIE STUD comedyi looked at their schedule and wales scrum v wont be on freeview due to the loss of channel 302 next week Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:07:07 GMT+1 GJ THE AUSSIE STUD poshsimontemplarexcellent point plenty of people are relyng on freeview channel 302 as they dont have access to the internet to watch sports on the bbc websitethe bbc are being very short sighted with this Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:04:37 GMT+1 ComedyTigs I'm pretty dismayed about this, as with most contributors. Freeview users always were treated as 2nd class viewers when it comes to additional BBC content (as compared with Satellite/Cable). The BBC should be looking to address that inequality instead of making it worse. I use the interactive streams frequently. They've paid for sports and entertainment rights and now terrestial viewers will often be deprived. I'm guessing the amount of BBC Wales Scrum V rugby coverage will be reduced before we even start on the major sporting events. And I don't the think their reasoning is good enough.I urge you to think again, BBC. Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:00:40 GMT+1 poshsimontemplar Some people have mentioned that there is covearge over the Internet. That's a poor substitute to watching a larger quality TV screen, imho. In addition, our computer is located where it's impossible for more than one person to watch/use. Add to that the problems of bandwidth throttling, and it's just not on to expect anything other than a short clip online. Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:00:01 GMT+1 kylerickards1974 @ GJMany thanks, as I just posted on Facebook, the Freeview and the Freesat HD viewers are now both unhappy campers... Kyle Thu 22 Oct 2009 11:51:16 GMT+1 GJ THE AUSSIE STUD I urge the BBC to look after their customers Stop trying to shaft freeview customersKEEP CHANNEL 302PLEASE Thu 22 Oct 2009 11:48:02 GMT+1 GJ THE AUSSIE STUD kyleyes its only the freeview cusotmers suffering as it seems the bbc doesnt care about people with freeview judging by this poor decision Thu 22 Oct 2009 11:40:25 GMT+1 Peter David Jones I would just like to say that Freeview has been a great success and in my opinion one of the best parts has been the red button service. I have nothing against HD but surely a better way could have been found...This is a shameful act BBC plugging Freeview then removing services. Thu 22 Oct 2009 11:39:44 GMT+1 wildJONESEYE keep repeats off the Red Button its that simple.its a interactive stream and LIVE Should always take precedent over seems strange in the Digital age that channels show repeats anyway theres SKY+ and Freeview + if people wants repeats its up to them to record it.LIVE First then if nothing to show you can show repeats if you want. Thu 22 Oct 2009 11:33:45 GMT+1 kylerickards1974 So are the feeds remaining on Freesat? Kyle Thu 22 Oct 2009 11:29:07 GMT+1 GJ THE AUSSIE STUD And whereas before we have run Red Button content in long loops, meaning it is repeated frequently, we will now be scheduling shorter runs to make sure we fit in as much content Nice try with that comment snooker was never repeated over and over during the worlds the live matches were shown on 301 and 302 and then once thye were over iyt just said this stream is overso there were no repeats so thats not a valid reason to cut the snooker coverage for freeview customers please keep channel 302 Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:54:29 GMT+1 groovyccb121 If we're only getting one interactive stream, i suggest the following:1. Screen sports which couldn't be shown live, later on in the slot, broadcast them 'as live'.2. With 'Comedy Extra' shows, they're normally only 10 minutes long, so i suggest no more than an hour of back-to-back showings of them, should give time to show other things then? For example, i like watching the 'Classic GP' shows, with less space we're less likely to see these now - so please try and squeeze in at least 1 showing, even during the night, so us with PVR's can watch them! Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:47:37 GMT+1 wildJONESEYE we are now on the verge of a complete digital set up and in effect what you are saying is no point getting Freeview it would be far better to give your cash to Rupert Murdock and Sky that way you will get full service from the BBC. it really is very shabby that we as License Payers to the BBC has to rely on Sky to get the best out of out License Fee.surely every digital viewer to any digital outlet should get full service from the BBC that is only right after all We pay for them. Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:10:46 GMT+1 Rialto2 I always took it for a given that the News Multiscreen would go, but the loss of 302 is unacceptable. The coverage of music events and sports events like the Olympic Games, Commonwealth Games, Snooker, Wimbledon, F1, and many other smaller sports which already don't receive much coverage will be greatly reduced if shown at all. As you well know it is not about looping repeats it is about what you do when two events are on at the same time as is common at weekends. Linear channels BBC FOUR and BBC THREE cannot be used before 7pm and the News channel can't be used. BBC ONE and BBC TWO clearly can not show all the Live events which used to be on 302 as they have other schedule commitments outside of sport and music. There doesn't need to be a debate over whether HD is needed or which BBC channel should go. HD can be catered for without the loss of 302, as was originally planned.At switchover all muxes will be 24mbit/s. In order to clear Mux B the BBC will move BBC FOUR/Cbeebies, BBC Parliament, 301 and 11 radio stations to the 6mbit/s gained on Mux 1. The last remaining service on Mux B is 302. Now surely if the BBC are then giving up initially 2/3 of this Mux to Channel 4 and ITV and then 3/4 when Five HD launches, then they can claim one channel from Mux 2 (the shared ITV/Channel 4 Mux). As ITV gave up its space for Five this year then Channel 4 can give up one channel to the BBC. Remember as this is all at switchover Channel 4 can bid for a channel on the 6mbit/s gained on each of Muxes C & D owned by Arqivawhen switched to 64QAM. Remember Channel 4 are being given, for free, around 10mbit/s on the newly created HD Mux B, so surely they can pay for 2mbit/s to carry their moved SD channel. If channel 4 can not afford this then they can loss one of its +1 channels, remember the BBC are handing over 2/3 of a Mux to Channel 4 for free so surely a payment of one SD channel on Mux 2 is not too much to ask for.I would be grateful for an explanation of why this is not happening, or is this just a case of hawking out publicly owned spectrum to the highest bidder. HD should not be used as the excuse for why this is happening. Thu 22 Oct 2009 02:35:21 GMT+1 Green Soap What's the point in complaining to the BBC? They never make mistakes, and know better than you, dontchaknow. Thu 22 Oct 2009 00:37:48 GMT+1 Andrew Broad Yet another reduction in the quality of my life, along with the imminent analogue switch-off, and the demise of video cassettes.At least I now know to look for a common solution to all three problems... Wed 21 Oct 2009 23:57:40 GMT+1 Jubbahey Well, if the planned cut of 302 goes ahead, then I think we should all get a reduction in our license fee. Less service should = less funding from viewers.And since they stand to get more income from selling off those channels, then an even further reduction should be issued. Wed 21 Oct 2009 21:56:51 GMT+1 John From London Town MBE Absolutely shocked. When the Beeb get right on the money, by using the red button so viewers can tap into live Snooker, suddenly the carpet is pulled from under us, the viewers. Not good & not thought through at all. Wed 21 Oct 2009 21:45:54 GMT+1 TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship 69. At 9:45pm on 21 Oct 2009, Brekkie wrote:"In the short term it needs to be BBC Parliament which is sacrificed.No it does not, you can get your entertainment and sport on any of the other channels, there is only one place for pure politics in the UK - BBC Parliament..."the BBC should put the licence fee payer before politics,"The day they do that will be the day that the BBC is closed down - fact... Anyway, those who want/need BBC-P are licence fee payer too."even if it's a case of closing it at weekend when Parliament isn't in session"Politics doesn't stop just because it's the weekend, as it is the weekend is mostly used to catch up on what could not be covered live during the week in the four parliaments or chambers in the UK (never mind the european and international content it also carries at the weekends), if anything there is a very strong case for both LCNs 301 and 302 to be primarily for politics, only being used for other content when there is no political content to be screened...I assume that you were in some weird way trying to make a point or two but sorry all you have come over as someone who doesn't actually understand the BBC Charter! Wed 21 Oct 2009 21:38:31 GMT+1 Kriss25 SOS!!!SAVE OUR SNOOKER!!!!!SOS!!!!! Wed 21 Oct 2009 21:24:39 GMT+1 Brekkie (forgot News 24) Wed 21 Oct 2009 20:51:41 GMT+1 Brekkie So if my maths is correct the BBC mux will be hosting 7 channels after DSO - BBC1-4, BBC Parliament and 301. It's not ideal, but as the other muxes are pretty much at 8 channels, surely room can be found for 302 too - sod the picture quality, as long as those gullible enough to fork out for another HD box for their supposedly HD TV can get a (not fully) HD channel which runs 9 hours a day, never mind the other 95% of Freeview viewers and SD channels.In the short term it needs to be BBC Parliament which is sacrificed. Not ideal I know, but the BBC should put the licence fee payer before politics, and if capacity is scare, the channel should be reduced once again, even if it's a case of closing it at weekend when Parliament isn't in session and the demand for the interactive streams is at it's highest. And if that's not possible, it needs to be ensured where multiple events are airing both BBC1 and BBC2 are covering them, not viewers being directed to an interactive service they can't watch.Quite frankly it's all an absolute joke - and to be fair I'm certain it's something the bloggers here are not happy about at all, along with those in BBC Sport. It's been absolutely scandalous from the start this HD fiasco - I'd love to know what the deal was which practically overnight saw the major broadcasters turn from strongly opposing it to fully supporting it. Wed 21 Oct 2009 20:45:05 GMT+1 BBC run by tyrants 4 tyrants The Beeb should think these decisions through before making them. Many Snooker fans are pensioners and rely on the red button coverage due to the fact that the coverage on the main channels has practically dried up nowadays. Taking the red button coverage off is scandalous......if you used a fraction of the F1 budget you could maintain this valuable service for your long suffering customers. Wed 21 Oct 2009 20:37:08 GMT+1 TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship #63. At 6:52pm on 21 Oct 2009, pottager wrote:"P.S. Don't you dare remove BBC Four and 6 Music as someone else suggested - they are absolutely sacrosanct!"Add BBC Parliament, The news Channel, BBC Radio7 and the World Service to that list - just because the radio services are also on DAB is no excuse for their removal from the DVB-T platform - the same logic would suggest that if people want HD TV they should invest in either Satellite or cable, if they can't get either - tuff... Wed 21 Oct 2009 20:32:31 GMT+1 Case_Master This is a strange decision on the eve of the digital switchover, many sports fans will suffer as a result. None more so than snooker fans who rely on channel 302 to provide live matches. Wed 21 Oct 2009 20:26:01 GMT+1 GJ THE AUSSIE STUD I think the BBC have to think of the older population in this poor decisionIm young myself and have access to the internet but im sure there are many pensioners who enjoy sports such as snooker and are relying on freeview to watch the world snooker championship and with this decision these older people are left with little if no snooker coverage of the world snooker on freeviewAlot of them may have no access to the internet so cant watch it on the bbc sport websiteso think of the older and vulnerable people when making this decision to get rid of channel 302please reconsider Wed 21 Oct 2009 19:57:19 GMT+1 pikester13 i realy hope that the BBC think again but im not holdin out because they wont like 2 do a u-turn will they??? but i hope BBC u do later yaw'll Wed 21 Oct 2009 18:41:11 GMT+1 Kevin This is a very bad decision and seems to have been sprung on us with very little notice and for highly dubious reasons. I do not feel that enough effort has been made to find ways in which these services can be preserved. The loss of the News multi-screen is annoying but liveable with as I doubt whether many used it often - I do occasionally but probably not enough to justify keeping it. The loss of 302 will seriously jeopardise the BBCs ability to cover major sporting and muscial events and is likely to result in the main channels becoming even more clogged up with sport, which is unacceptable to many. I urge you to reconsider this serious degradation in the Freeview service.P.S. Don't you dare remove BBC Four and 6 Music as someone else suggested - they are absolutely sacrosanct! Wed 21 Oct 2009 17:52:41 GMT+1 techsmedders I'd love to hear the BBCs response to all of the comments on this page, especially as it is evident that the vast majority of people think a poor decision has been made Wed 21 Oct 2009 17:46:29 GMT+1 TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship #60. At 4:37pm on 21 Oct 2009, ropies wrote:"A lot of the intolerant comments on here about HD are just silly. You guys enjoy your red button service, I'll enjoy my HD."Yes, and you are doing so via either the DVB-S or cable platforms, not having HD on the DVB-T platform will not inconvenience you in any way shape or form, in fact attempting to squeeze a LQ HD service into the existing DVB-T multiplexes and then the broadcasters and equipment suppliers (inevitably) hyping the service will probably just end up alienating more people than it converts and thus could conceivably damage further HD investment in the UK... Wed 21 Oct 2009 16:02:51 GMT+1 ropies I'm a really big fan of HD and find a lot of these comments disturbing. The red button service is not something I agree with but I don't go round actively campaigning for its removal. A lot of the intolerant comments on here about HD are just silly. You guys enjoy your red button service, I'll enjoy my HD.And to the BBC. Please don't justify this decision in the name of high definition, you bring High Definition into disrepute. Wed 21 Oct 2009 15:37:05 GMT+1 TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship #54. At 2:04pm on 21 Oct 2009, __bc__ wrote:"Given this choice, the correct decisioned has been made."No it has not, if it was not going to be possible to keep the same SD content, quality and channels the whole idea of putting HD on to the DVB-T platform should have been scrapped or at least suspended until after DSO is complete and the analogue spectrum will (should) become available. Wed 21 Oct 2009 15:19:26 GMT+1 poshsimontemplar I'd like to add, I too am annoyed.Bad decision, BBC, imho. Listen to your licence payers!We live in an area where the Freeview reception is poor, and will have little chance of seeing the HD for a long time. We spend enough on upgrading our aerial just to get Freeview.I spend many, many months writing and complaining about the poor coverage of FV in our area and received little satisfaction from the BBC, the Minister, my local MP, etc. Everyone just spelled out what was going on and, in simple terms, we'd have to lump it. That's just not good enough!I upgraded to Freesat earlier this year so that we could get a signal that didn't break up. One of the things it gave me was HD from the BBC.Now, having made that investment, i'm now faced with more new hardware to get the new FV HD service in, who knows when.Oh, and, BTW, isn't it time that HD on Freesat was used to its full potential. Most of the time i've seen it, it's had fairly run-of-the-mill tv shows.There's been much better sports coverage on 302, and now that's going away. So wonder people are upset about this.How about a re-think on this, having read the comments here, it's clear that a lot of sports fans use the sevice that is going. Wed 21 Oct 2009 14:36:02 GMT+1 Andrew Bowden Hello all. Rahul has asked me to reply with the following message:Thanks for all the comments. There's lots of questions here and issues that I can see you feel strongly about. I'm going to go through these and do a post by the end of the week following up on some of the issues raisedRahul Wed 21 Oct 2009 14:21:11 GMT+1 niteluva When I saw this forum title on digitalspy I thought it was a fool joking about - then I find the news confirmed here!I will hardly notice the missing news multiscreens to be honest, but cutting 302 as well is a ridiculous decision. As already mentioned, Freeview's existing two interactive streams already struggle to cope with live sports and music events adequately. There is little hope of sufficient live coverage on BBC1-4 to make up for the shortfall. Cutting 302 to make way for a substandard HD Freeview service beggars belief - the majority of HD viewers are surely going to stick with the superior satellite or cable HD services, even after Freeview HD becomes available.A decision made by executives with large screen non-Freeview HD TVs and no understanding of the real world outside TV-land. Wed 21 Oct 2009 13:53:04 GMT+1 ManuelRC This is ridiculous. While HD may offer a better picture for those willing to pay for it, it is not like the current picture quality is unwatchable. I didn't hear masses demanding better picture quality before the TV manufacturers launched their marketing blitz. However better content is always something people look for and respond to. Sacrificing content to accommodate a service with minimal benefit is like selling your left eye to buy a pair of sunglasses. Only a fool would see this as a good deal. Wed 21 Oct 2009 13:43:09 GMT+1 __bc__ Ever since it was announced that HD channels would be launched on Freeview it was was always inevitable that one of two things would happen: either the quality of existing SD channels on the PSB multiplexes would lowered or some of them would have to close. The loss of bandwidth available for SD channels was always too great to be compensated for by the use of newer encoding technology (despite some wishful thinking on the part Ofcom). Given this choice, the correct decisioned has been made. It's just a pity it was hushed up until now. Wed 21 Oct 2009 13:04:05 GMT+1 GJ THE AUSSIE STUD A joke. 302 is an excellent channel and much better than the countless shopping channels that litter Freeview. The BBC it appears doesn't want to show the sport it has rights for.Shame on you guys for rolling over so easily.excellent commentA JOKE DECISION BY THE BBC Wed 21 Oct 2009 10:16:12 GMT+1 GJ THE AUSSIE STUD Shocking decision by the BBCnow the world snooker will be a farce for freeview viewers who wont be able to watch hradly any of it JOKE DECISION Wed 21 Oct 2009 10:09:50 GMT+1