Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html en-gb 30 Thu 02 Oct 2014 17:17:44 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html Dakawales http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=95#comment22 Jonathan, which flags were raised over the podium today, I thought there were two Union Jacks and the Spanish Flag, not two, Cross of Saint George and a Spanish FlagOh I know, you think, like a lot of you from England, that when a team or individual finds success, then they are English, and the English wonder why the Welsh, Irish and Scots dislike them, Well UP ENGLAND or should I chant INGEEERLAAAND seeing as you lot can't shout you own language. Sun 13 Jun 2010 21:24:04 GMT+1 ians http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=91#comment21 Canada was great race, shuie needs to calm his jets tho... Sun 13 Jun 2010 19:41:47 GMT+1 basil http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=86#comment20 My wife wants said forget the teams where dos Eddie Jordan get his shirtsbarry hopwood Sun 13 Jun 2010 15:48:18 GMT+1 Robert Buckland http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=82#comment19 Dear F1 Team,Q: If an F1 car could be made that did not have to adhere to current regulations, (ie. a 2.4 litre engine, no refuelling, etc), but could have say a 3 litre V10, turbos, a wider body, larger slicks, all the areo mods desired, then just how fast could it be made to go? I am trying to understand how much the full potential of an F1 car is compromised by the regs and H & Safety rulings.Cheers Sun 13 Jun 2010 15:09:30 GMT+1 Mark Adler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=78#comment18 16. At 08:04am on 13 Jun 2010, smilingSpongeMuffin wrote:It was the team who asked him to turn his engine down then in turn he asked if he was going to be faced by a challenge. This is a fair question. Imagine a racing driver on P1 with a competitor behind you ( in this case Button) just before the end being told to turn your engine down. I heard people saying Button having half a lap more fuel, where does this info come from. This is complete nonscence. People need to drop this story as Button had a pip at Hamilton and FAILED at overtaking him. Hamilton let it stick. Conspiracy theories here and there, please lets focus on this race and what Hamilton is doing here. Even Button praised him yesterday for his Brilliant pole lap. I bet you there is going to be more conspiracy theories over Hamiltons Pole and race drive here. I hope and know he ll do a brill Job here in Canada!! Sun 13 Jun 2010 12:46:25 GMT+1 Sam http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=73#comment17 This post has been Removed Sun 13 Jun 2010 12:20:04 GMT+1 FlyingSpaghettiMonster http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=69#comment16 16. At 08:04am on 13 Jun 2010, smilingSpongeMuffin wrote:It was Lewis who asked "Is jenson going to race me?". That is, in reality, asking for team orders. A terrible position to put your team under. All they can say is "turn your fuel down if you want to finish".------Not necessarily. The first thing to remember is that he didn't ask "is jenson going to RACE me" he asked if button would PASS him. Now, imagine it wasn't Button behind Hamilton, imagine it was Alonso in the Ferrari and hamilton asked the same question. "If I slow down, is Alonso going to pass me?" The question itself doesn't mean that Hamilton was asking for team orders, or asking if team orders were in place, it's a perfectly valid question to ask when your team have just told you to slow down and you know you have a competitor behind you ... it doesn't matter that he was in the same team.The whole issue seems to me to be a big misunderstanding. You can't blame hamilton for asking the question or perhaps assuming that his position was safe (with his Team mate being the one behind him, a huge gap to the next runner and having only just seen one red bull take the other out), you also can't blame Button. It appears as if hamilton slowed down a little bit too much, more than the team had requested, Button hadn't received any orders NOT to overtake.I think the response back to hamilton was where the confusion occurred, instead of "no lewis, no" it should have been "as long as you keep your lap times to 1min30 you should be fine, but you are still racing" or something along those lines. To emphatically state "no" was where it went wrong, I don't think you can place any blame on Lewis or Jenson. Sun 13 Jun 2010 07:51:26 GMT+1 smilingSpongeMuffin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=65#comment15 It was Lewis who asked "Is jenson going to race me?". That is, in reality, asking for team orders. A terrible position to put your team under. All they can say is "turn your fuel down if you want to finish". It has nothing to do with the racing. If Jenson was going to race him, what was he going to do? Run out of fuel? It was Lewis's fault for asking. He has to assume he will race. He can't expect others to back off because he has used up his resources, and so there is not need to ask, just to expect. Sun 13 Jun 2010 07:04:41 GMT+1 alfonsoalonso http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=60#comment14 Broadly agree with most sentiments except the assertion that LH underestimated JB. "Save fuel" was clearly code for "maintain station, the 1-2 is in the bag" etc. If I was Hamilton I'd have hopped out of the car and headed straight for Whitmarsh to have some stern words. Lovely bloke, Whitmarsh, but not the right person to head up a top F1 team. McLaren's handling of strategy and their lack of common sense at times is downright second-rate and has been in evidence for some years now.Many on the blogs criticising the lack of re-fuelling for making the GPs processional -- all valid points and perhaps fuel stops will make a comeback. What it does do, as pointed out by one or two people, is play into the hands of those who look after their tyres best - step forward Jenson Button. It's rational to believe that this will provide a significant advantage to JB over LH whose hard-driving style ruins the rubber much quicker, and the team clearly believe the same: witness Australia when McLaren brought LH in for an extra stop over JB, the eventual winner. I think it's a miracle LH is in contention at this point, for this very reason, and if he were to go on and win the championship this year it would be a massive achievement. He definitely seems to have matured, is quite relaxed, more media savvy and having JB around to push him hard is undoubtedly a good thing too. Sat 12 Jun 2010 21:14:36 GMT+1 schumi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=56#comment13 i love formula 1 great to see michael back the racing is a little bit dull i think they should bring back at least 1 fuel stop per race just to spice it up abit Sat 12 Jun 2010 16:41:14 GMT+1 mpearson88 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=52#comment12 Wonderful blog. Confirms my desire not to see this issue dropped prematurely, much though Red Bull wish we'd all 'move on'.I just can't believe that Vettel said he'd do the same move again if given another chance. It suggest he'd been instructed that Webber would yield. Does he expect to be gifted every race? Sat 12 Jun 2010 15:02:48 GMT+1 geoff harding http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=47#comment11 hi am i alone in beliving that tax exiles should not recieve queens birthday honors. Sat 12 Jun 2010 14:32:45 GMT+1 geoff harding http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=43#comment10 This post has been Removed Sat 12 Jun 2010 14:31:15 GMT+1 andrewme http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=39#comment9 Many good points but: 1. With limited stops for tyres and none for fuelling teams have fewer options to manage the race pace, and have underestimated this factor. Teams have to adapt, not team order rules change. Drivers too to cover their teammate, sorry mate is easy to say with 25 points in the bag.2. Who wins is most important for the cash flow Red Bull have more marketability in SV than MW and SV knows this and has been fluffed to believe it. 3. As for what we want for the rest of the year- very changeable weather conditions at every race. Sat 12 Jun 2010 12:26:59 GMT+1 livpoksoc http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=34#comment8 Jonathon, nice blog & some interesting points that it seems that neither McLaren or Red Bull team members don't want to stick to the memo. And both teams believe that LH & SV didn't anticipate their older team mates to want to fight.Whilst LH may not have 'underestimated' JB, it is ridiculous of him to ask 'if I back off will he overtake?' that's like asking the team to tell him to slow down when he doesn't need to!SV's crash was all his fault & it is deserved that sympathy is lacking in the paddock. Interestingly though you don't mention MW's request to RB to slow SV down. This is in line with LH's request to keep JB behind him, and it goes to show that the 'team orders' rule needs to be addressed. The FIA should consider reviewing it so it is a little looser. Sat 12 Jun 2010 12:13:36 GMT+1 Kai FT http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=30#comment7 Your blogs are getting better. Nice one. I have been a Vettel fan since his victory in the torro rosso but they way he starts to resemble schumacher more and more when the pressure is on him is a bit frightening. His refreshing an honest interview style made us believe that he is schumachers successor only in terms of talent and not character, but maybe this was just a mask. I am really looking forward how things turn out. Sat 12 Jun 2010 11:37:08 GMT+1 Lonesome Twin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=26#comment6 Also, since I've saddled my hobby horse, what have commentators got against milliseconds. It's the natural unit of time talked about when discussing fine margins but instead we're saddled with the feather-spitting 'hundredths of a second'. I'm amazed they don't give track temperature in Fahrenheit! Sat 12 Jun 2010 11:34:20 GMT+1 Lonesome Twin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=21#comment5 Of course, reading the above out loud, it would have needed a very long straight to have reeled off that speech! Sat 12 Jun 2010 11:29:17 GMT+1 Lonesome Twin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=17#comment4 My immediate thought on the original radio exchange about slowing down to save fuel was that Jenson or Lewis should have retorted 'I am driving at the pinnacle of motorsport. I'm here to provide entertainment. When an audience of millions sees me parked at the side of the track will they blame me for trying too hard or you for not putting enough fuel in the tank?'.Seems that the law of unintended consequences strikes again, and a new regulation is being used purely as a loophole to sidestep the old team orders regulation.There's very little to add to the Red Bull fiasco, but I did get the distinct impression that Button was told to back off Hamilton once he'd be re-passed? Otherwise agree with most of Obbo's (#4) post. There seem to be endless options for making the race more boring and few for improving it :( Sat 12 Jun 2010 11:22:46 GMT+1 Obbo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=13#comment3 There you go again Jonathan, with the "Button's wiser head" theme! Agreed, Lewis did not expect Jensen to attempt a pass. But not because he "underestimated" him. He is under no illusions about JB's qualities as a racer, he simply thought, as many observers did and I believe the team intended to imply, that having both reached a low fuel situation he and Jensen could not afford to race to the finish. Luckily he had the reactions and skill to fight off the unexpected challenge and demonstrate that he was not willing to forgo his hard-won position.The abscence of refuelling raises another issue. Before we go too far praising the 'wiser heads' for their tactical wisdom we should consider this: what will be the outcome if drivers are seen to prevail by sitting back preserving tyres and fuel for an easy pass when their team-mates have 'foolishly' expended both, incidently providing the racing spectacle and excitement we, the fans, want? We could see F1 descend into a 'slow bicycle race' with everyone jockying for the tactical advantage rather than actually racing. Excluding the RB crash and the JB/LH dice the main excitement in Turkey was generated by Lewis harrying Mark for the lead. Take that away and what was left?Add to this the complaints that the tyres are not degrading enough to provide a real challenge. It could be argued that faster degrading tyres would make the likelyhood of the 'wiser heads' or to put it another way, the less adventurous, winning, and so hasten F1's descent into an economy drive rather than the race it should be. Discuss. Sat 12 Jun 2010 11:00:23 GMT+1 Lord_Lancashire http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=8#comment2 This season is shaping up nicely, and the next race has all the right ingredients to be an absolute belter;* a fantastic circuit* rivalries between the Red Bull drivers* rivalries between the McLaren drivers* rivalries between Red Bull and McLarenI cannot wait.I agree with you Jonathan that both Vettel and Hamilton underestimated their teammates in Istanbul Park - one consequence was tragedy, and the other was a near miss. Compelling viewing!Bring on Montreal!:) Sat 12 Jun 2010 09:22:27 GMT+1 lawrenz_of_arabia http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=4#comment1 Vettel seems to be developing a rather disturbing, somewhat 'Schumacher-esque' trait of blaming a million and one other people and events first before even considering he was at fault. He's undoubtedly talented and I predict he'll be champ more than once in his career, but one of the things that always made Schumacher's achievements pale was this 'it wasn't me' attitude against the evidence. I for one would not like to get on the wrong side of Webber. The guy is a talented racer and his older, wiser head will balance against Vettel's immaturity, as was demonstrated on occasions last year.As for the McLaren boys, I think secretly Lewis and Jenson enjoyed their little dicing session and will carry on being good buddies as they push each other along towards a nip and tuck end to the season.Prost & Senna all over again in a way, just what McLaren needed after too many mediorce pairings. As long as Lewis doesn't develop his idol Senna's character flaw as perceived by 'The Professor' when they were team mates - "His problem is that he thinks he can't be killed...."Bring on a cracking race as F1 has been a dull old parade for too many years and this season is at last starting to break that mould. Sat 12 Jun 2010 05:25:17 GMT+1 F1-Viewpoint http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/2010/06/formula-1s-return-to-north.html?page=0#comment0 This post has been Removed Sat 12 Jun 2010 00:20:47 GMT+1