Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html en-gb 30 Wed 30 Jul 2014 00:02:12 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html corriedog69 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html?page=93#comment14 I really feel that we are getting everything too cheap. I see everyday large gas guzzling cars driven by people who obviously don't care about fuel prices. And they certainly haven't heard of a little technique called hypermiling (or maybe they just don't care. I don't think it would do any of these people any harm to have less money in their pockets. I don't think the money they earn even makes them all that happy anyway. Tue 20 Jan 2009 12:15:12 GMT+1 expertSpinko http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html?page=86#comment13 "While you are at it you could read up on the greenhouse effect to understand the mechanism by which our emissions can alter climate. There are no computer models involved - just physics and observational evidence."I understand the way they can, but I prefer to deal with real data rather than theories and models. The climate is too complex to respond in a predictable fashion to a change in one variable.The real data show no effect from CO2 on any timescale. Decadal oceanic currents dominate the climate, and we still have the great solar unknown. The current rapid cooling we are seeing in the oceans is concurrent with the extended solar minimum. Fri 05 Dec 2008 12:27:30 GMT+1 David http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html?page=80#comment12 Nothing wrong with getting children to cycle to school: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=2n_znwWroGM Tue 02 Dec 2008 18:48:38 GMT+1 Asopus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html?page=73#comment11 Funny how some users challenge AGW, but haven't even got their heads around basics such as difference between gross and net CO2 emissions.I suggest reading up on the carbon cycle, photosynthesis and ocean acidification. While you are at it you could read up on the greenhouse effect to understand the mechanism by which our emissions can alter climate. There are no computer models involved - just physics and observational evidence. Tue 02 Dec 2008 16:57:49 GMT+1 Asterionella http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html?page=66#comment10 Diagramm of the temperature 1864-2007 in Switzerland (by the official Swiss Meteorological Institute)http://www.meteosvizzera.admin.ch/web/en/climate/climate_change/temperaturtrend_schweiz.htmlwonder why most of our glaciers are just "melting away"? And we are the water-reservoir for a good part of Europe ... especially in the hot summer months the melting water of the snow fields and glaciers balances the low water levels of some of the main european rivers ... Tue 02 Dec 2008 13:32:55 GMT+1 Andrew Gillett http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html?page=60#comment9 The following page addresses the myth that temperatures have not risen in the last 10 years:http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/11/23/what-bob-carter-and-andrew-bolt-fail-to-grasp/ Tue 02 Dec 2008 10:58:21 GMT+1 Andrew Gillett http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html?page=53#comment8 "Please explain how CO has anything to do with climate change? Please do not show computer predictions as they are wrong and getting less accurate with each passing day."http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/10/what_is_the_evidence_that_co2.php"Please explain how the Man Made CO2 [3.8% of yearly output] can influence the climate more effectively than Mother Nature's 96.2%?"http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2006/03/natural-emissions-dwarf-humans.phpQuote: This is quite true that the natural fluxes in the carbon cycle are much larger than anthropogenic emissions. But in the natural process, for roughly the last 10K years until the industrial revolution, every gigatonne of carbon going into the atmosphere was balanced by one coming out. What we have done is to alter only one side of this cycle. We put approximately 6 gigatonnes of carbon into the air but, unlike nature, we are not taking any out. Tue 02 Dec 2008 10:55:37 GMT+1 Wee-Scamp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html?page=46#comment7 This is all so much nonsense.. If you want to push electric cars you'll have to import them, if you want to use fuel cells you'll have to import them, if you want to use biomass CHP you'll have to import the kit, if you want carbon capture then again you'll have to import the hardware... In short, this policy is an importer's charter because as usual neither this Govt nor their lousy chums in the City will invest in UK companies that are developing the technologies we need....... Throw it out.. Mon 01 Dec 2008 19:41:24 GMT+1 EnglishFolkfan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html?page=40#comment6 Does this mean that energy saving grants for wall insulation will finally be provided to those of us with houses built with solid walls.My 1920's 3 bed semi has cavity insulated ground floor walls but solid brick 1st floor walls with external render. The state of the art insulation for this type of wall is a spray on type with now requirement for repainting for 20 +yrs. The cost three and a half thousand pounds.I have fitted a condensing combi boiler, have an insulated loft, ground floor walls, double glazing but cannot afford the solid wall insulation. There are hundreds of these houses in this area, hundreds of thousands in the UK and then the rest of the UK's 100% solid wall properties. These should be a priority for insulation grants IMHO. Mon 01 Dec 2008 18:45:31 GMT+1 Markonee1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html?page=33#comment5 This whole global warming/CO2 fiasco is giving me high blood pressure. As we go into a recession with most non-essential production grinding to a near halt, not just here in the UK, but worldwide; has anyone predicted just how much the level of CO2 production will drop, and the background levels will diminish? That will surely exceed our requirements, without the need for the govt to 'pillage' in the form of tax. If we must use graphic representation of CO2 and other factors to represent impending armagedddon, then for heavens sake, don't use suppressed zero scales to amplify what amounts to changes of the order of a pimple on the skin of an excema sufferer to that resembling a mountain. Learn to read a graph by looking at the turning points. This will show the true controling variable and not some misinterpreted tosh. A bit like Al Gore's plastic glaciers!!To consider burning up huge amounts of fossil fuel to enable carbon capture is a pending crime against humanity. Confine this abhorrance either to myth, or, confine energy source for its achievement to areas that have suitability to use solar power. Why not stop the insurance company's campaign against mature trees near buildings, and encourage the curtailing of the destruction of worlds natural cure for excessive CO2 production, the forests. Additional managed forest creation could produce hardwood for long lasting structures, rather than concrete. How about using our plastic waste to make plastic everlasting bricks. Another scam taking the public in is the plastic bag fiasco. Even if idots are still producing non-biodegrading bags; [anyone ever noticed some bags biodegrade before you even leave the shop, and drop the shopping on the floor ;o) ], think about the equivalent number of bags that could be made from those blasted yoghourt pots that we dump in the ground on a weekly basis...Good to make my bricks with perhaps...BP down a little now, thanks... Mon 01 Dec 2008 18:01:22 GMT+1 expertSpinko http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html?page=26#comment4 Well this is all very good, wasting 1% of GDP on the GIGO results of computer models. Temperatures haven't risen for a decade despite soaring CO2 emissions, and in the last 18 months are on a declining trend. Oceans are cooling and sea ice is expanding.I sugest anyone who still thinks human-driven climate change is something to worry about researches up on the dodgy science that has been performed to shore up the CO2 claim. Start with the hockey stick, move on to the computer models, and end on the amateurism of the climate agencies in their attempts to calculate a global average temperature.What a waste of money when we can least afford it. Mon 01 Dec 2008 17:46:26 GMT+1 Asterionella http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html?page=20#comment3 Last week end the citizens of our commercial capitol, Z├╝rich, voted to include in its city laws, the goal of the 2000 watt societyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000-watt_societyAnother of the biggest Swiss cities, Basel, and its region are already a "pilot" and Geneva has showed interest in this project ... at least a move in the right direction. Mon 01 Dec 2008 17:39:19 GMT+1 SamuelPickwick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html?page=13#comment2 What nonsense. It is bitterly cold here, and measurements worldwide show no warming over the last ten years. Yet the political activists persist with their delusion that we are on the brink of calamity, demanding that we transform our way of life to conform to their agenda, setting meaningless and unattainable 'targets'.And what a pity that the BBC no longer has anyone who understands any science. They used to - the excellent Dr David Whitehouse - who is now persona non grata since he has adopted a sceptical position on climate change. Mon 01 Dec 2008 17:25:40 GMT+1 yoinkster http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html?page=6#comment1 climate change? what an absolute load of tosh. Time to adopt the Clarkson approach, run a patio heater 24/7 just "because".I will not be preached at by a biased non-think-tank. I like my car and will continue to use it thanks. Mon 01 Dec 2008 17:21:40 GMT+1 Beejay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2008/12/curbing_carbon.html?page=0#comment0 Please explain how CO has anything to do with climate change? Please do not show computer predictions as they are wrong and getting less accurate with each passing day. Please explain how the Man Made CO2 [3.8% of yearly output] can influence the climate more effectively than Mother Nature's 96.2%? As CO2 is but 0.04% of all greenhouse gases it is more likely that barycentric orbits cause climate variations rather than unsubstantiated Greenie Hysterical Carbon Claptrap. Mon 01 Dec 2008 17:04:45 GMT+1