Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html en-gb 30 Thu 28 May 2015 01:58:32 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html GeoffWard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=97#comment40 #39 ..... yes, and some really curl most spectacularly, or so I am told ;.)And, in an attempt to re-stitch this loose and errant thread back to our microbial blog topic: in my adopted home - the world centre for female beach volleyball - exotically coloured varnish products cover the worst excesses of fungal invasions of these beautiful female extremities. Wed 21 Jul 2010 17:26:38 GMT+1 MangoChutney http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=95#comment39 i like women's beach vollyball, but that's purely for pleasure ;)(apologies in advance)/Mango Wed 21 Jul 2010 16:54:04 GMT+1 bowmanthebard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=92#comment38 #37 rossglory wrote:"i think sport is fantastic....when you're actually doing it."Some spectator and minority sports are OK. I confess that I find women's curling strangely hypnotic! Wed 21 Jul 2010 15:43:51 GMT+1 Smiffie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=90#comment37 ghostofsichuan @#36 Your post agrees with what I said on Richards last blog…“1920's Eugenics lead to something that was the opposite of Eugenics, namely the murder of decent intelligent people by low intelligence thugs, survival of the thickest.” Wed 21 Jul 2010 14:55:35 GMT+1 rossglory http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=87#comment36 davblo/smiffie/bowmani think sport is fantastic....when you're actually doing it. when you spend two hours in a pub getting lashed watching multi-millionaires half-heartedly pretending to care about their country (which i don;t much so can't blame particularly) and don;t get into a fight on the way home (or at home for that matter) is not necessarily a problem to me.but the fact that this preoccupation means other issues never seem to register because newspapers are read backwards and boredom kicks in by the time minority sports are reached, does worry me :o( Wed 21 Jul 2010 13:44:12 GMT+1 ghostofsichuan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=85#comment35 Smiffie:It is generally those with low intelligence that foster violence and therefore it will be those with low intelligence deciding who gets culled from the herd. Cambodia tried this once. Education is a poor weapon against an AK-47. You may wish to review the Cultural Revolution of China and how that all sorted out. Intellectuals were thrown from university windows, not that I am against that in all cases, but usually the good are not distinguished from the bad once those trains start rolling and after the intellectuals are gone the tendency is to move to another group that may not be in favor....say motorcycle enthusiast... Wed 21 Jul 2010 13:33:46 GMT+1 Smiffie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=82#comment34 DrBrianS @#34 Had not thought of that.bowmanthebard @#32 & 33 I was robbed, but they do say that there are less b’s around now, something to do with climate change. Wed 21 Jul 2010 13:21:43 GMT+1 Dr Brian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=80#comment33 #30 Smiffie wrote:'loves his football until his side does not win then it’s “we was robed”''There is a clear link between violence and low intelligence'Is this an allusion to John Prescott entering the House of Lords? Wed 21 Jul 2010 11:07:53 GMT+1 bowmanthebard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=78#comment32 #30 Smiffie wrote:There is a clear link between violence and low intelligenceLet's hope there's no such link between low intelligence and poor spelling! Wed 21 Jul 2010 10:53:26 GMT+1 bowmanthebard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=75#comment31 #30 Smiffie wrote:loves his football until his side does not win then it’s “we was robed”Well at least they didn't attempt it naked -- perish the thought! Wed 21 Jul 2010 10:05:06 GMT+1 Wolfiewoods http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=73#comment30 Where are you manysummits? I hope that you are still watching. Wed 21 Jul 2010 09:50:05 GMT+1 Smiffie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=70#comment29 rossglory, davblo & bowmanthebardWhite-van-man loves his football until his side does not win then it’s “we was robed” and he is looking for trouble, of course if he did not have football there would be something else and I am not saying that all football fans are like that. There is a clear link between violence and low intelligence, if we are to reduce violence in society we must increase the average intelligence if the population – which brings us back to the taboo subject of eugenics. Wed 21 Jul 2010 09:43:18 GMT+1 davblo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=68#comment28 simon-swede #25: "Summer scare!"Sorry. I'll be more careful in future. I wouldn't want to be quoted out of context... :-)/davblo Wed 21 Jul 2010 09:34:01 GMT+1 simon-swede http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=65#comment27 Climate change on the mountains and through a lens - one for ManySummits!http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/archive-22/?scp=1&sq=glaciers%20photography&st=cse Wed 21 Jul 2010 08:38:52 GMT+1 bowmanthebard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=63#comment26 bowmanthebard: Must we attribute the current plague to human sin, again?jr4412 #20: in the sense that 'we' provide convenient transport between continents, yes.Richard Black, the late Stephen Schneider et al have dome more continent-hopping in the last few years (from Bali to Copenhagen to Mexico to the next lovely travel destination) than I have done in a lifetime. I think I should be excluded from that "we"!But seriously, fungal spores blow in the wind, and the wind goes everywhere. There is constant "arms race" -- one that is perfectly natural, and un-helped-by-human-hand -- between parasites and their hosts. That is life, unfortunately. Wed 21 Jul 2010 08:12:47 GMT+1 polly_gone http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=60#comment25 #23 jr4412I am afraid our love can never be, jr, the planet is doomed and I have a whole line of suitors to get through before it goes the way of the frogs...... just remember all those parallel universes out there and think of what went well in each and every one of them compared to what happened here.Just think you may be reincarnated.... and have to do it all over again. Of course you will be able to tell the IPCC where to go on day one. Wed 21 Jul 2010 08:11:44 GMT+1 simon-swede http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=58#comment24 Davblo at #14"It's a constant source of puzzlement, amazement and disappointment to me, that such things can command so much misplaced concern, respect, time, money and passion (to name a few)."Summer scare! For a moment there I thought you were talking about the subject of Richard's piece... Oh no! Davblo has changed into one of the numerous other all-knowing whining voices on this blog who heap scorn on anything environmental...! Then I woke up... Phew!/davblo Wed 21 Jul 2010 03:51:13 GMT+1 HungeryWalleye http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=56#comment23 5. At 10:17pm on 19 Jul 2010, CanadianRockies ....Interesting CanadianRockies didn't say anything about the illegal pet trade as a source of the spread of the fungus -- much better to blame it on scientists and eco-tourists and other people he doesn't like. Wed 21 Jul 2010 02:36:32 GMT+1 jr4412 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=53#comment22 polly_gone #21."..you ought to spell my name properly - please."if I agreed, would you marry me? :-) Tue 20 Jul 2010 23:57:17 GMT+1 GeoffWard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=51#comment21 Chytrids are not the only fungal plague that have wiped out well-loved species of wildlife. Closer to home, the saprolegniales species Aphanomyces astaci did a virtually perfect job of erradicating the Native (White Clawed) Crayfish across the UK. Introduced from North America along with its host, the American Signal Crayfish, it spread like wild-fire through the 1970s & 80s. Tiny reservoirs of the White Clawed survived, probably more by serendipity than by the fungicide of choice – Malachite Green. Only recently, one or two populations of the two crayfish species have been found living together within the same streams; some think this is evidence of the evolution of resistance or tolerance, but the jury is still out.One or two PhDs came out of London University on the topic during the peak period of the plague; one of my old mates Reg Noble (an early researcher and no relation to one of the other rare British crayfish species, the Noble Crayfish), among other things, studied the feasibility of physical removal of the American invader. We had a good few Crayfish Bakes (BBQs) during that time. Having failed to stem the American invasion Reg decided to join them rather than fight them, decamping to the new world, where he is alive, well and lecturing in Canada. Tue 20 Jul 2010 22:35:32 GMT+1 polly_gone http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=48#comment20 #20 jr4412Hey. If I am going to get a prize you ought to spell my name properly - please.A 'froggy' (neither French nor hopping mad) friend told me that frogs return to their birth areas to reproduce and are unhappy if the environment has changed appreciably. Not sure if that equates to climate change or not, but I put it out there anyhow. Perhaps salmon are the same.But I have to agree that humans crossing oceans in hours rather than days or weeks is a disaster waiting to happen. However, most of our most deadly enemies have a way with evading detection until it is too late. Personally I do not believe climate change qualifies because detection appeared long before it was "too late". Since "too late" seemingly slips with each "politico-scientifico" tongue wag I don't get a sense of urgency or impending doom, but I do get a sense of "thar's money to be made out of this lud." Tue 20 Jul 2010 22:01:20 GMT+1 jr4412 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=46#comment19 bowmanthebard #1."At any moment in time, there is some disease or other wreaking havoc among some unfortunate species or set of species. Must we attribute the current plague to human sin, again?"in the sense that 'we' provide convenient transport between continents, yes.sensibleoldgrannie #17."Aren't frogs supposed to be quite a critical critter in the food chain/web/ecosystem?"it's my understanding that amphibians are very sensitive to (as in unable to cope with) sudden changes to their habitat, ie they're a good indicator.anyway, favourite post so far, poly_gone (#10):"..a teasing taster of what is to follow for humankind.." Tue 20 Jul 2010 21:07:49 GMT+1 davblo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=43#comment18 bowmanthebard #16: "I agree, but I wonder if sports might help to stop young men from killing one another, or the rest of us?"Yes; good point; I'd forgotten that. But it doesn't strike me as a very good solution to taming the violent "urges" that civilised society fails to satisfy. Mainly because only a minority "win" and a great many end up sore-loosers./davblo Tue 20 Jul 2010 20:39:12 GMT+1 bowmanthebard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=41#comment17 sensibleoldgrannie #17 wrote:I wondered why the skies were so bright at night and now I know why.I've been looking out for noctilucent clouds for years, and haven't seen one yet. So let's not jump to conclusions! Tue 20 Jul 2010 20:17:45 GMT+1 sensiblegrannie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=39#comment16 Jack FrostI wondered why the skies were so bright at night and now I know why. We all learn something new each day. I don't remember bright night skies from childhood and they do seem more frequent in these later years. I thought the skies were brighter because of light pollution from the cities.Aren't frogs supposed to be quite a critical critter in the food chain/web/ecosystem? Tue 20 Jul 2010 19:08:21 GMT+1 bowmanthebard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=36#comment15 davblo #14 wrote:It's a constant source of puzzlement, amazement and disappointment to me, that such things can command so much misplaced concern, respect, time, money and passion (to name a few).I agree, but I wonder if sports might help to stop young men from killing one another, or the rest of us? Tue 20 Jul 2010 18:28:51 GMT+1 Brunnen_G http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=34#comment14 This post has been Removed Tue 20 Jul 2010 17:33:43 GMT+1 davblo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=31#comment13 rossglory #13: "kicking a bit of leather round a park" It's a constant source of puzzlement, amazement and disappointment to me, that such things can command so much misplaced concern, respect, time, money and passion (to name a few). /davblo Tue 20 Jul 2010 17:15:31 GMT+1 rossglory http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=29#comment12 i think there is no doubt we are experiencing the next mass extinction event. it seems so surreal that a large percentage of the uk population can get upset because our guys were less succesful than others at kicking a bit of leather round a park, but if you mention the extinction of many amazing and beautiful species that have evolved into unique and complex organisms over hundreds of millions of years you'll probably get at best a 'whatever' response. Tue 20 Jul 2010 16:37:58 GMT+1 rossglory http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=26#comment11 Jack Frost"Again another example of the BBC cleverly slipping in the climate change propaganda..."more like another example of your paranoia. but thanks for the link, i do like clouds. Tue 20 Jul 2010 16:32:03 GMT+1 JunkkMale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=24#comment10 8. At 00:44am on 20 Jul 2010, John Quite right.Now, if only the right kind of folk could be selected, and relied upon to come out with the right kind of things.Then all would be as it should be, and well. Giving 'everybody' a say. The very notion.What's needed is a list. I think some are drawing one up. Give it time. Tue 20 Jul 2010 08:47:39 GMT+1 polly_gone http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=21#comment9 Sure.It is just a teasing taster of what is to follow for humankind when the four horsemen get to work. Tue 20 Jul 2010 07:32:04 GMT+1 CanadianRockies http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=19#comment8 This post has been Removed Tue 20 Jul 2010 00:08:31 GMT+1 John http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=17#comment7 Thanks Richard, a nice report about a very serious threat, marred only slightly by the preponderance of rather peculiar comments underneath, proof, were it ever required, that giving everybody a say does not necessarily improve the quality of the debate.... Mon 19 Jul 2010 23:44:23 GMT+1 Jack Frost http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=14#comment6 Oh dear looks like the craps hitting the fan again.Reports coming in that the Oxburgh Investigation let Phil Jones decide which of his papers to review.Can you investigate Richard or is this sort of trivial environment correspondant stuff beyond your remiit of frogs spawn and such. Mon 19 Jul 2010 22:42:54 GMT+1 Jack Frost http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=12#comment5 This post has been Removed Mon 19 Jul 2010 22:16:43 GMT+1 CanadianRockies http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=9#comment4 "Karen Lips, one of the world's foremost authorities on the disease, realised some years ago that in principle you could pick a site in Central America that was in the path of the blaze, do an amphibian census, and then wait for chytrid to arrive...How it made that crossing is, said Dr Crawford, still something of a mystery - though transport by people, possibly as spores on the soles of shoes inside cars, has to be a strong contender."-----Gee, I wonder how they spread from pop to pop? Here in Canada the herptologists I know privately admit that they are the most probable carrier and act accordingly, sterilizing their gum boots between areas. This fungus, or one very similar, is not just a tropical problem. It has decimated the Leopard Frog populations in Canada. Of course, when its effects first showed up people immediately blamed thinning ozone - the crisis du jour - and more recently they tried to blame the demise of Costa Rica's golden toad on, what else, global warming. The real cause was ecotourists and/or researchers spreading this.On the bright side, not all amphibians are equally susceptible to this. Happily the most abundant species of frogs on our land are one of the resistant species. On the down side, too many of them are, and apparently way too many in the tropics.I heard that the most probable cause of its original arrival in North America may have been via the stupid pet trade, or possibly, again, globetrotting ecotourists or researchers.Of course, ecotourists and researchers rarely, if ever, recognize that they are a problem. I wish both would just stay in their own homelands and enjoy or research the natural world they have there. Mon 19 Jul 2010 21:17:48 GMT+1 Yorkurbantree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=7#comment3 1 & 3: Broken record alert. Made worse by the fact that the record was garbage in the first instance (like Babylon Zoo), but not in a funny way (like Eurovision). Mon 19 Jul 2010 20:59:55 GMT+1 bowmanthebard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=4#comment2 #2 ghostofsichuan wrote:"the gods have something much more horrifying and deserving for humans"But we are all programmed to believe that, for biological reasons. I resist my programming! I am not a number! Mon 19 Jul 2010 20:35:19 GMT+1 ghostofsichuan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=2#comment1 I would think the gods have something much more horrifying and deserving for humans. As you and others profess, humans are simply victims of a natural process of not fault of their own and if not but for dishonest science and scientist we could all live a life of blissful ignorance and our pea-brained species will save itself with some invention. That old natural phenomenon of clear-cutting forest. Mon 19 Jul 2010 19:52:32 GMT+1 bowmanthebard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/07/the_fungal_disease_chytridiomy.html?page=0#comment0 Diseases have always come and gone -- often horribly for those affected. At any moment in time, there is some disease or other wreaking havoc among some unfortunate species or set of species. Must we attribute the current plague to human sin, again? Why can't we blame God for a change? Mon 19 Jul 2010 19:11:26 GMT+1