http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2008/08/towards_the_end_of_this.html en-gb 30 Sat 26 Dec 2009 00:48:29 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2008/08/towards_the_end_of_this.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2008/08/towards_the_end_of_this.html?page=18#comment11 Argentina won gold. Tue 26 Aug 2008 12:45:50 GMT+1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2008/08/towards_the_end_of_this.html?page=16#comment10 What the hell are you people talking about?? I agree with nacho. Inferiority complex? Look at the wc qualies. Argentina wins their home games, and Brazil wins theirs. Friendly games go both side. Argentina had a bad game last Copa America, so what. One lucky goal (fair, i agree, but lucky still), and after that, Argentina was forced to go all in, giving brazil all the space they need to counter attack. Again, fair win, but the 3-0 result does not reflect the true balance of the game that was played that afternoon. Still, and not that it matters, Argentina won their last world cup games, which is 10x more important than any Copa America game, and both Brazilians and Argentines know that. Truth be told, Argentine people are pretty enthusiastic about playing Brazil, anywhere, any time. Tue 19 Aug 2008 16:52:02 GMT+1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2008/08/towards_the_end_of_this.html?page=15#comment9 I think Argentina finally adapted to the tactical question posed by recent Brazilian teams. Even in Copa America final, I had felt that the result could have been very different with a referee less tolerant of tackles from behind.However, the greatest difference with the past 0-3 defeats was the tremendous work rate of Gago (instead of Veron/Cambiasso) and Di Maria whose pace was lethal in transition. Even Monzon and Zabaletta were not as bad as I had feared and Garay was efficient in cleaning up every time the wing backs were overrun.A very satisfying victory indeed for all Argentinian supporters. But it must be curtains for Dunga. The only big team that he could beat have become wise to his tricks. In the long run, his departure may just be good for Brazilian and world football. Tue 19 Aug 2008 15:14:23 GMT+1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2008/08/towards_the_end_of_this.html?page=13#comment8 forza4star, my views as argentinian obviously are not objective, but I can tell you that there is no inferiority complex with Brazil. Here generally when there is a match with Brazil is not important how good or bad are they playing or how good or bad is Argentina playing, it's just a completely different match.Even if you look at the final of the Copa America you will see that Argentina was constantly attacking and Brazil had almost all the team in their own field. That was just bad luck.Lately and sadly for the lovers of football, Brazil under Dunga management lost lots of avarice in football terms. Hope this message makes some sense and that tomorrow we see a great match. Tue 19 Aug 2008 03:16:36 GMT+1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2008/08/towards_the_end_of_this.html?page=11#comment7 It's always very special match between the two sides and the Braziliians know better than their rivals how to deal with such games and that has proven in recent years.Argentina will try to learn from the harsh lessons they have got by Brazil, but I think Selecao are going to win it and make all the road to the gold.I can't wait to see a game with participation of the likes Ronaldinho, Diego, Messi and Requelme. That seems sensational! Mon 18 Aug 2008 20:46:01 GMT+1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2008/08/towards_the_end_of_this.html?page=10#comment6 Gotta agree with quickquip, to an extent.I'm obviously guessing here, but could it be that Argentina have an inferiority complex when it comes to Brazil? Recent results between the teams would suggest so.And, on another note, Tim, do you reckon Dunga's criticism of Pato was valid? Mon 18 Aug 2008 18:07:57 GMT+1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2008/08/towards_the_end_of_this.html?page=8#comment5 Yea well, its better than England mate. Both the talent coming through and what they've won over the last 13 years. Mon 18 Aug 2008 16:42:07 GMT+1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2008/08/towards_the_end_of_this.html?page=6#comment4 Pshaw! "Argentina not only went on to win the 2005 WYC but between 1995 and last year they won five of the seven tournaments"? Well bully for them! Even more striking is the complete drought of senior side tournament triumphs during the same period. The vaunted "conveyor belt" has been "grooming" for 13 years now and what do they have to show for it? Nothing better than a quarter-final finish in the last three World Cups. Never able to top Brazil in the Copa. Argentina always gets off to a fast start in South American qualifying and dons the favorites mantle only to crash out early in the finals. If the "principal point of youth football" is to feed the senior squad then Argentina's WYC and Olympic victories ring a little hollow. Some conveyor, some belt! Mon 18 Aug 2008 15:39:37 GMT+1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2008/08/towards_the_end_of_this.html?page=5#comment3 Tim, I was wondering what your comments are on Jonathan Bottinelli. He impressed me a few years ago in the Dubai u20 youth tournament and has slowly worked his way into the Argentina squad. He's just signed for Sampdoria in Italy, iirc and I wonder what your thoughts are on him. Mon 18 Aug 2008 14:01:22 GMT+1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2008/08/towards_the_end_of_this.html?page=3#comment2 I think robinho is more of a striker, whether playing off or as the main striker (similar to how Rooney plays at United maybe.) Anyway Mr. Vickery, just wanted to ask how Denilson is regarded in brazil. he didn't get called up to olympics but has impressed me more than lucas. thanks Mon 18 Aug 2008 13:16:46 GMT+1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2008/08/towards_the_end_of_this.html?page=1#comment1 Having watched a bit of Robinho since I read about his 7 stepovers (I didnt think it looked all that impressive), I am skeptical as to whether he is worth the money being touted around in the media.He is skillful and clever but does he have the cutting edge.I hope you will have an opinion as I'm sure you watched him before he moved to Madrid.How has he improved since moving, is there more to come? Mon 18 Aug 2008 13:08:53 GMT+1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2008/08/towards_the_end_of_this.html?page=0#comment0 Hi Tim, Would just like to know you opinion on Franco Di Santo. I think you may have mentioned him before however he has had a great pre-season for Chelsea. He reminds me of Crespo alot, perhaps with a bit of extra pace and strength.However my main question is regarding the National side. Has he been playing for the un21's u20's? How close was he to being included in the Olympic squad. As you said in your last column, Argentina have a number of small quick players, Messi Tevez Aguero Saviola Lopez Palacio but maybe they need something different….perhaps Di Santo could be the next Crespo/Batistuta! Mon 18 Aug 2008 11:44:13 GMT+1