Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html en-gb 30 Wed 02 Sep 2015 16:22:34 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html Spitfire http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=99#comment233 re 233,good on you to respond to a blog written 10 months ago. Where do you live? Pluto?Next time, try to be more relevant and in time.I refer you to Star. Mon 15 Mar 2010 23:16:39 GMT+1 Sam-Boro http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=99#comment232 God how does giggs do it at his ages playing 90 mins. I wonder when he will hang up his boots and retire from the great game.http://www.nintendoclips.com Mon 15 Mar 2010 21:46:05 GMT+1 NeilG42 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=98#comment231 Re: 229, "If he had opted to play for England", when will people get it through their skulls that Giggs could never have opted to play for England. The only other country he could have opted to play for was Sierra Leone - and that actually is a FACT. He played for English Schoolboys as he was at school in England - and that also is a FACT. Tue 05 May 2009 08:39:48 GMT+1 David http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=98#comment230 At 5:40pm on 27 Apr 2009, loudLovelyrita wrote:.Imagine an England team with Giggs Beckham Scholes and Nicky Butt all in their prime.That would be quite something would'nt it!NO Butt was rubbish Thu 30 Apr 2009 20:41:22 GMT+1 serpentdanslherbe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=97#comment229 That should read Re:5 Wed 29 Apr 2009 18:57:53 GMT+1 serpentdanslherbe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=97#comment228 Re ; %I saw Ryan Giggs as a schoolboy playing for England at Wembley when he called himself Ryan Wilson. If he'd opted to play for England he'd have more caps than Beckham ( who btw only started a little over 1/2 of the games he played in - unlike Bobby Moore ) and England might have been genuine contenders. I can't remember the last time we had an effective left- sided attacking player. Wed 29 Apr 2009 18:57:16 GMT+1 ShhhMichael_Save_606 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=97#comment227 He has NEVER played for Liverpool! What are you talking about? Wed 29 Apr 2009 16:30:32 GMT+1 CC&B http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=96#comment226 I don't care for Giggs. He was rubbish for Wales and plays for the most odious team in the world. Wed 29 Apr 2009 16:09:58 GMT+1 digispoonerta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=96#comment225 #kenny_burns_kneecap .... Award for the person looking most like the Nodding dog from the Churchill Adverts goes to....... Harry Redknapp ..... oh yes!!!!The award for the most rediculous face when being fouled award goes to...... Christiano Ronaldo!! Wed 29 Apr 2009 16:01:47 GMT+1 r3minder http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=95#comment224 Two things:Which is more ridiculous: Giggs, for the player he is and the accolades he's got, never won the PFA, or that he's won it this year, whne probably a couple others are more deserving?! Yeah, Robbo, you get it now?!Second, I was thinking about the graciousness of Harry as well! so, that's agood point. Wed 29 Apr 2009 14:53:33 GMT+1 kenny_burns_kneecap http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=95#comment223 Dearest palace_mark (223)Point very well made. Predominantly the observation that Lampard should have been considered for the PFA award. This, particularly because the midfield powerhouse has maintained his supreme levels of performance throughout the aftermath of a very public breakdown in his personal relationship. I also agree with Robbo Robson that Lampard should be applauded for defending himself on radio. I for one, lay the blame firmly at the feet of his ex-fiancee and the mother of his two children, Elen Rives. How dare this woman suddenly blame Frank's perpetual philandering for their split; every man and his dog has known for years that Frank is second to none in getting from box to box. Disgusted,Nottingham Wed 29 Apr 2009 14:43:00 GMT+1 palace_mark http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=94#comment222 I still think it is a travesty that Mark Schwarzer was not shortlisted this year.He has been by far the standout 'keeper of the season.Yes, Van der sar didnt concede for however many games / hours etc, but i am sure that any keeper worth their salt would find it hard to let goals in with that back 4 in front of him, Vidic especially!And what about big fat frank??Old lumpalard must surely be worth a mention? Although i am not his biggest fan, he is one of the most consistent players in the Prem.Ryan Giggs winning that award is a smack in the face for all of the other players that have grafted for 50 games or so.You never know though, if a player can win for playing a mere 12 games, there is hope for me yet!!!! Wed 29 Apr 2009 14:10:23 GMT+1 kenny_burns_kneecap http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=94#comment221 Dearest Digispoonerta (218)With further regard to the dubious PFA award to Giggs:Jokes aside, and to be brutally honest and fair, I think we should ALL put our prejudices to one side and, as candid and honest sports lovers, we should acknowledge that Steven Gerrard is the one that deserves silverware on his mantelpiece.I suggest he be awarded a Lonsdale belt, for his magnificent performance in last December's bout versus Marcus McGee at The Lounge Club, Southport. It is also fitting that his two accomplices be similarly rewarded, particularly for their unselfish teamwork and focused belligerence.Disgusted,Nottingham Wed 29 Apr 2009 12:11:07 GMT+1 Feel The Magic http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=94#comment220 I still blame the parents. Wed 29 Apr 2009 11:33:39 GMT+1 Thanks A lot BBC7 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=93#comment219 Would Liverpool fans admit this wrongly given penalty was not the decisive scene of the game if ManU would have won 8:2?Was 5:2 not high enough? Wed 29 Apr 2009 11:04:08 GMT+1 andyd54 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=93#comment218 Utd given the title by one refereeing decision? Hardly think so.Decisions go for and against teams all the time. Referees can be inconsistent, just like players can. They arent perfect. Ive watched plenty of games this season where decisions have gone for and against Utd.For example, as a Utd fan, the penalty against Bolton? Not a penalty in my eyes. One game in particular that stands out however was Utd v Chelsea at OT. One of the worst refereed games i have seen in my life when there should have been about 3 less players on the pitch and if the linesmen were wearing their specs it would have been about 5-0. If we are going to bring up history then yea, Utd were denied a clear penalty in the FA-Cup semis. It wasnt called, so there. Unlucky, but thats football for you.Against Spurs, Palacios was lucky to still be on the pitch in my opinion and i doubt spurs would still have scored 2 with 10 men... The penalty was a 50-50 decision wrongly called. Did it help Utd back into the game? maybe it did, but there was no penalty to put utd back in the games against villa or sunderland was there? spurs defending was shocking and so they lost. end of.as for all the liverpool fans, maybe a few more home wins instead of draws against weaker teams and you wouldn't need to complain about these decisions because you would be first. Even then im sure you would complain anyway. I remember a certain mr gerrard getting a penalty against atletico madrid earlier in the season that was more of a blatant red card for amatuer dramatics that had larger implications than utd against spurs? thats just football for ya. Wed 29 Apr 2009 09:46:16 GMT+1 digispoonerta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=92#comment217 kenny_burns_kneecapI know ..... Gomes has been a joke for most of the season reminds me of the old joke:"What does Gomes and Dracula have in common?""They don't like crosses!" ....... baddom tish!!!!!Anyway, if your giving out awards then The Wembly groundsman should get a Gold at the next Chelsea Flower Show. SAF for dance move of the year (FA Cup Semi touchline) .... i'm sure we can think up more!!! Wed 29 Apr 2009 08:25:39 GMT+1 call_me_Sir http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=92#comment216 Ah, sorry then feller's, so he HAD to play for Wales? Tue 28 Apr 2009 22:29:10 GMT+1 CarefreeCoors http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=91#comment215 I think Robbo could blog on something completely random, absolutley nothing to do with football and it would still turn into a United v Liverpool debate.Get over yourselves ladies.The penalty decision was wrong, even the ref's admited it now. But the fact that Liverpool fans are up in arms about it is nothing short of a joke. Tue 28 Apr 2009 22:26:40 GMT+1 RoryY_Wolves http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=91#comment214 Hi Robbo, Great blog as always. Personally I have always thought of Ryan Giggs as a model professional and have no problem with him winning the PFA, even if this hasn't been his best season.Incidentally, are you really Red Robbo, coz I'm sure he planted British Leylandii in a lot of trouble some years ago! Tue 28 Apr 2009 21:31:45 GMT+1 aries22 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=91#comment213 Sorry, I mean Ryan Giggs was never eligible to play for the full ENGLAND team. Tue 28 Apr 2009 21:28:25 GMT+1 TommyO http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=90#comment212 The bloke was born in Wales to welsh parents and wasn't eligible to play for England. He played for England schoolboys 'cos he went to an English school.However, he treated playing for Wales like a chore as his record of appearances in 'friendlies' shows.None of which changes the fact he shouldn't have been near the Footballer of the Year award this year. Tue 28 Apr 2009 21:27:31 GMT+1 aries22 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=90#comment211 Ryan Giggs was never eligible to play for the full Wales team. Both his parents are Welsh and none of his grandparents were English. Qualification for playing for England Schoolboys isn't based on nationality but residence, ie where you live. Giggs lived in England when he was selected for England Schoolboys. Tue 28 Apr 2009 21:27:08 GMT+1 call_me_Sir http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=89#comment210 So if he played for England Schoolboys THEN decided to play for Wales when he could have played for England (and many people, including me, wish he had done) what do you call this? The fact remains, he chose his nationality to be Welsh, not English. Tue 28 Apr 2009 21:04:17 GMT+1 aries22 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=89#comment209 #205 What Englishness did Ryan Giggs renounce, exactly? Playing for England Schoolboys? He was born in Cardiff and spent his early childhood there. He took his mother's maiden when his parents split up. Tue 28 Apr 2009 20:54:39 GMT+1 aries22 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=88#comment208 #10 The referee clearly got it wrong - Gomes got a clear touch on the ball and it wasn't Gomes who made contact with Carrick, it was Carrick who made contact with Gomes by falling over the goalie's outstretched arm. And yes, you're biased. Tue 28 Apr 2009 20:23:56 GMT+1 TrotterUSA http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=88#comment207 Thank-you again Robbo, enlightened and provocatively insightful but how the heck (I've often pondered) does anybody get a life time achievement award when they're still alive? Unless of course they've made a declaration that they have no plans to achieve 'owt else no matter how long there is to go before they pull that last breath. Now, in Giggsy's case, he's only 35. 21 years from now when he's the same age as Stanley Matthews was when he hung up his boots, and he's stepping on the field for his 3,000th appearance in a Man U shirt in the Champs league final versus Boro, perhaps then we can call it a lifetime achievement, perhaps. And, if we throw in the Charity Shield, the quintuple possibility is alive and well. Good for him and good for all them as voted for him! Tue 28 Apr 2009 19:55:51 GMT+1 just_henners http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=88#comment206 LOL at robbo's lil comment, yer giggs probably hasnt been the best player this season but then again its other "pro's" that have voted for him, as for some of the comments going around about him, true he has not played many but i remember when man united played chelsea where he made chelseas midfield look like complete muppets the suppose world class prime players of ballack and lampard looking extremely average against a 35 year old welsh winger playing in the centre, now thats comedy. He should really have got something like outstanding contribution to football or something but meh what can you do. And btw mancs and scousers, your both wrong and your both deluded :) Tue 28 Apr 2009 18:47:14 GMT+1 funnyvivalarasa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=87#comment205 to all the united fans stop arguing with the scousers cause there is no point in it.There is one set of rules when it comes to their games and another set of rules when it comes to our games. Tue 28 Apr 2009 18:43:12 GMT+1 call_me_Sir http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=87#comment204 I love how Ryan Giggs was so proud of his Mancunian roots that he took his mothers maiden name and renounced his Englishness. To play for Wales.For that reason, he deserves to win the PFA Player of the Year. Well done Mr Wilson. Tue 28 Apr 2009 18:09:39 GMT+1 kenny_burns_kneecap http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=86#comment203 In the wake of Giggs' PFA success I am currently downloading a copy of 'Saving Private Ryan', which I'm led to believe is a feature-length documentary detailing SAF's relationship with a bashful, young Giggs about to turn his back on the game at the age of 14. This due to his coy and withdrawn nature being at odds with the football limelight. I have already downloaded and viewed a copy of the sequel 'Shaving Ryan's Privates' which bewilderingly did not portray Giggs as shy at all. Can anyone clear up this contradiction? I certainly agree with Robbo Robson when he quoted that: "Giggs just gets on with it and keeps his head down", but is this any sort of behavior for a high profile footballer in the public eye?Disgusted,Nottingham Tue 28 Apr 2009 17:05:35 GMT+1 norfstandlad http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=86#comment202 The blog's headed "Relyin on Ryan"So I can only assume the postings that have been removed didn't talk about the Man U - Spurs game then? They actually commented on Gigg's award?Giggs has played exceptionally well this season and just 'cos he's at the tail end of his career, I don't think this is a sympathy vote or career award at all. He's deserved it. Sure, there's other players who had a shout but someone's gotta pick up the award, right?Sir Alex Tue 28 Apr 2009 16:41:18 GMT+1 U13938827 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=85#comment201 allow me to be impartial for a moment and analyse the united v spurs game...spurs wanted it so much more in the first 45 minutes and just about deserved their two goals, united were wasteful and nani was dire.at half time man utd's world class manager was allowed to earn his wage and duly delivered. removing nani was a no brainer (the boy possibly needs a season or so at a struggling premier league side to adjust) but i'd hate to have been on the receiving end of the team 'talk' he must have dished out in those fifteen minutes - berba came looking whiter than his normal vampire-ish self! i dont remember a tottenham chance of note in the next 45 minutes and united could have scored three or four more on their day. tevez, and later scholes' introduction, was the difference.you could argue all day long about the questionable penalty but if you're honest you have to accept united would have scored several minutes later anyway. anyone still in doubt as to the significance of the penalty should watch the palacios challenge in the 8th minute. im sure every united fan in the country breathed a sigh of relief (as did i) when they saw ronaldo manage to hurdle the diving tackle as we've seen legs broken over similar incedents in the past. a red card in 8 minutes would have seriously impeded spurs ambitions for the game and i was surprised to see the spurs midfield inforcer stay on the pitch.a final point, player of the YEAR award. for 2008. not the current season. player of the current season would perhaps have to be gerrard but giggs won the accolade through his efforts guiding united to a premier league and champions league trophy last may as well as a handful of impressive performances against united's strongest opponants this year.i think it's difficult to argue with what i've said. the season looks to be drawing to a thrilling close. let's hope the scousers can pick up maximum points in their remaining games to take the premier league down to the final day! Tue 28 Apr 2009 16:25:27 GMT+1 kenny_burns_kneecap http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=85#comment200 Dearest Digispoonerta,Gomes deserved early doors in the shower, not for that one result-altering gaffe where he disgracefully only got four and a half digits to the ball instead of five, but for the twelve major catastrophic blunders he has contributed to the team this season. Our prized professional footballers realise that twelve performances of note can have a huge impact upon one's team. So let's award Ryan the silver candle holder, Heurelho the card of shame, and as an added bonus this is a perfect opportunity to crucify Mr Webb.Disgusted,Nottingham Tue 28 Apr 2009 16:11:18 GMT+1 ShhhMichael_Save_606 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=85#comment199 Liverpool fans can pretend, but we all know who's really right ;) Tue 28 Apr 2009 15:48:48 GMT+1 Robbo Robson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=84#comment198 I'm thinking of planting a massive line of Leylandii somewhere between Manc-land and Merseyside - failing that I'll write one blog for L'pool fans and one for United's then we can all pretend we're always right... Tue 28 Apr 2009 15:39:09 GMT+1 philtoon82 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=84#comment197 192. At 3:51pm on 28 Apr 2009, jelee_uk wrote: It was not a penalty, Gomes got the ball. But a few points here for the moaners...-Turning point of the game was NOT the penalty......at this point i realised you knew nothing about football so didnt bother read the rest. Tue 28 Apr 2009 15:26:20 GMT+1 ShhhMichael_Save_606 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=83#comment196 mightysoprano looking over previous posts from you, you have said "that watching Liverpool was like watching the old Wimbledon play even they didn't play as many long balls!" and "Not only is our squad weaker than the other two mentioned (Utd. and Chelsea) but we (liverpool) are not positive enough to win the league- would the other two really have been as defensive at Stoke and played with one striker (kuyt) who is not really a striker"It doesnt look to me that even you believe the drivel you have been posting! Either that or as most Liverpool "fans" you have a REALLY short memory!!Not exactly what i would call the most exciting team to watch this season by your own admission! Tue 28 Apr 2009 15:24:40 GMT+1 digispoonerta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=83#comment195 As i posted earlier the reason Liverpool are not top of the league is the folloing stats:Manchester United W24 D5Liverpool W21 D11So if they had converted 3 of those draws to have won 24 then they would be 3 points ahead having played 1 more game. Liverpool have a slightly better goal difference but still the same if they hadn't drawn as many they would be top by the mile. Tue 28 Apr 2009 15:17:03 GMT+1 kevthered83 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=82#comment194 But all of a sudden, two 4-4's in a row (both of which Benitez was forced to abandon his defensive principals and chase the game) and you really believe you're the most entertaining team in the league?!! Dream on. ----------------------------------------------------------------------Well said Tue 28 Apr 2009 15:08:59 GMT+1 Eddy Cordoza http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=82#comment193 162. mightysoprano "even if we win every game 5-0 our hard work will be undone by some dodgy decision going yet again in Utd's favour"Which team have been awarded the most penalties this season? Liverpool, by a distance. (As for European nights at Anfield, Liverpool may as well be awarded a penalty in the warm-up to get it out of the way).Which team has had most red cards given to opposition players? Liverpool, by a distance. Eight in total, two of which were rescinded (Lampard, Friedel), a further two of which were unanimously thought as harsh (Adebayor, Valencia).And yes the penalty United were awarded against Spurs was poor but what about Mascherano tripping himself up for Liverpool's first on Saturday? And Lucas's handball? If you really think that United being top is due to 'poor decisions' (and presumably their dominance over the past two decades has been down to referees as well?) then you're very deluded and VERY bitter.As for Liverpool being, in your words, "the best and most entertaining team this season", that defies belief. Benitez's team has been dull for the most part this season... indeed his reluctance to play attacking football will probably ultimately cost them given all of those draws at home in matches they should have been cruising. But all of a sudden, two 4-4's in a row (both of which Benitez was forced to abandon his defensive principals and chase the game) and you really believe you're the most entertaining team in the league?!! Dream on. Tue 28 Apr 2009 15:01:53 GMT+1 Pandy187 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=82#comment192 Yet another person moaning about the penalty we got and ignoring this http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9347/palacios.gif ever happened.That was a clear red card and happened in the 8th? minute - Do you honestly believe that Spurs would have ever been 2-0 up had Palacios got the red that the tackle deserved?As for the rest of the blog it wasn't too bad in all fairness, just wish that not everyone commenting on the United vs Spurs game would moan about the pen and disregard the blatant red card Spurs should have had. Tue 28 Apr 2009 14:56:22 GMT+1 jelee_uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=81#comment191 It was not a penalty, Gomes got the ball. But a few points here for the moaners...-Turning point of the game was NOT the penalty. United were on the ascendency from the moment Tevez came on and Rooney went on the left, which changed the structure of the team. The turning point of the game was Tevez coming on for Nani and Rooney exploiting Spurs' left flank.-Therefore, it's a safe bet that United would have gone on to beat Spurs anyway given the way they were playing.-After the penalty, Spurs were still 2-1 up. If they can't hold a 2-1 lead because they are still smarting about a refereeing decision then Spurs need to sort their mentality out. If they played as well as they did in the first half they could have prevented conceding more goals.-Wellbeck denied a clear penalty in FA Cup against Everton. Not all decisions go in United's favour.So get over it. Tue 28 Apr 2009 14:51:32 GMT+1 ShhhMichael_Save_606 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=81#comment190 Lucky with injuries!! You obviously don't look outside your Liverpool box United have had loads of injuries all over the place and yet it didn't affect the fact they are top! If they had either Gerrard or Torres and they missed 3/4 of the season they would still be top! United dont just rely on 1 or 2 players they rely on the whole team!If you want facts let me ask you one thing who has won the most games this season?The league isn't won on who loses most games and isn't a mini league of who has the best record against the "big four" its over the whole season and against all the teams in that league!Neutrals wouldnt agree that Liverpool have been the best team this season and the league reflects that and if Liverpool dont win the league how can a team that won nothing be regarded as the team of the season? Tue 28 Apr 2009 14:50:17 GMT+1 digispoonerta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=80#comment189 mightysoprano .... i'm a neutral and i don't agree ....In the big games (Arsenal, Chelsea, ManUtd) they have played great .... tactically they have been sound and won the games fair and square, but too many times they have been found wanting against the lower sides who decide to be more tactically defensive. Now you can slag off the likes of Stoke etc... for doing this, but they are fighting for every point they can get to stay up. They are not going to try and play a expansive attacking game and leave themselves open.If Liverpool do not have the tactical knowhow to beat these sides then they shouldn't win the league. Tue 28 Apr 2009 14:47:20 GMT+1 WH1TEPELE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=80#comment188 Brilliant blog.Giggsy - he's won it 10 times & torn you apart for years, legend. Trly deserved.Penalty? Maybe not, who cares.Champions.ps. You're all idiots. Tue 28 Apr 2009 14:44:24 GMT+1 digispoonerta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=79#comment187 by the way ... i am not slagging off the referee ... and i can see why he gave the penalty but red card ... get serious!!! Tue 28 Apr 2009 14:39:29 GMT+1 mightysoprano http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=79#comment186 Judie Rudie - just remind me again please - which team has the best record in the "big 4 league"? Which team has lost only 2 games this season ? Which team thrashed Utd 4-1 in front of their own "fans" most of whom had given up when they went 3-1 down and deserted the team as usual? Check your Facts then revert. Neutrals all agree that we have been the best team this season. We have had a remarkable season bearing in mind our squad - in net terms - costs nowhere near as much as Utd's. As for being a two man team: any team would miss Torres and Gerrard - Utd have been lucky with injuries this season. Tue 28 Apr 2009 14:37:48 GMT+1 digispoonerta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=79#comment185 Ok ..... how did we get to the decision that Gomes should have had a red card???Carrick had just arrived in the area, if you are saying that Gomes got him instead of the ball then Carrick has touched it in a direction not towards goal (as you can see from the path of the ball) AND as far as i can make out there was a couple of Spurs defenders there or there abouts.If he had got past Gomes there was still at least 2 opposition players in his way before he could even get a shot on target!!! I am not saying that i agree that it was a penalty (because i'm not sure it was) but to then blow it out of proportion and then send the keeper of is really pushing the boat out IMO. Tue 28 Apr 2009 14:37:30 GMT+1 kenny_burns_kneecap http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=78#comment184 Unfortunately, Howard Webb shares the same vision, ability to keep up with play, and unwavering consistency as Djimi Traore. However, much of this criticism is unjustified: Imagine refereeing a Premiership game looking the wrong way through a pair of binoculars - this is the situation the ill-fated Mr Webb finds himself in. I suggest we immediately forgive this latest transgression and concentrate on persecuting the man for failing to red-card Gomes.Disgusted,Nottingham Tue 28 Apr 2009 14:15:49 GMT+1 digispoonerta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=78#comment183 Ok everyone lets try and get the posting on this blog up to 300, that would be some sort of record surely..... Robbo ... maybe you can post something about ManUtd, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal don't deserve to be in the top 4 and that if you look at the season as a whole and sprout of some stats that show Middlesborough should've been champions 10 games ago, with the Barcodes 2nd and that in fact ManUtd and Liverpool will be in the relegation muckheap (don't worry about West Brom because it doesn't matter which way you look at the stats, they're going down!!!) Tue 28 Apr 2009 13:25:51 GMT+1 Bangforyourbuck http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=77#comment182 Oh and to post 145:"Inconclusive"???? You either need to get your eyes tested or get your TV cleaned. Gomes' touch is there for all to see, even the Man U fans have not debated that fact once on this blog. Tue 28 Apr 2009 13:24:16 GMT+1 digispoonerta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=77#comment181 kevthered83couldn't agree more!!! But discussing that would be going off the subject a bit and the moderators might get ya :-) LOL Tue 28 Apr 2009 13:18:25 GMT+1 Bangforyourbuck http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=76#comment180 I have calculated that if I were to print off all the back and forths between Liverpool and Man Utd fans posted this season and pasted the pages together, it would be able to go round the solar system three times AND still have enough left over to fully cover Ant McPartlin's forehead. Tue 28 Apr 2009 13:16:33 GMT+1 kevthered83 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=76#comment179 its like a team who get relegated blame a penalty in the last 10 minutes of the last game of the season sent them down.--------------------------------------------------------------------Or Neil Warnock and Sheffield Utd blaming there entire season on Carlos Tevez. Tue 28 Apr 2009 13:13:58 GMT+1 whatbill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=76#comment178 Howard Webb's decision was a bad one - but no worse than many others made all over the country each weekend that didn't get the scrutiny that comes with the premiership being at stake.Liverpool have had plenty of decisions in their favour this season and quite a few against them, as have united. Simply mentioning one or two at random and blaming the destination of the title on them is totally meaningless.The table doesn't lie. Tue 28 Apr 2009 13:12:26 GMT+1 digispoonerta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=75#comment177 This is getting silly, one or two decisions from a referee make no difference one way or another, its like a team who get relegated blame a penalty in the last 10 minutes of the last game of the season sent them down.NO ... the absolute tripe you played for 99.9% of the season is why you didn't stay up!!!The same goes for the title, if you cannot get more points during a season than the team in first place you don't win the trophy. The season is 38? games long!! Not 1 game Tue 28 Apr 2009 13:10:17 GMT+1 Nick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=75#comment176 Sorry meant Arsenal not Everton! Tue 28 Apr 2009 13:07:29 GMT+1 kevthered83 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=74#comment175 It weren't a penalty & that's that! You got lucky in a game you were never on top of up to that point! You needed a little 'extra' help & got it & after that, Spurs collapsed & you benefited.-----------------------------------------------------------------------Wheres this myth come from? We were absolutley destroying Spurs after half time, they were sitting back and you felt it is when rather than if the goals would come. Penalty or no penalty we would have scored at least the 3 required to win the game Tue 28 Apr 2009 13:06:57 GMT+1 Nick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=74#comment174 Oh by the way Soprano...scoring lots of goals does not by definition make you the most entertaining. Maybe if you had scored at Barcas rate but as it is you average something like 0.2 goals a game more than United. Big deal!Plus i would ask the fans who sat through 11 draws how entertained they were. Granted the Chelsea and Everton games were very entertaining but you didnt win either of them did you?Just ask Newcastle what they got for being alleged entertainers in 95/96 ad 96/97.The best team over 38 games wins the league, as simple as that. If Liverpool win it this year that will be the case ( Playing against 10 men on half a dozen occasions and numerous penalties aside!) Tue 28 Apr 2009 13:06:50 GMT+1 Nick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=73#comment173 Mightysoprano....just imagine? Just imagine what? A United side with a fully fit Ronaldo from the start, a returning Hargo, a Berbatov with a pre-season under his belt, the young'uns with 12 months more experience.A fully fit Rio etc etc etc. Im sure you get my drift.Plus if you really believe its dodgy decisions that have potentially let United win the PL then you are deluded and give genuine Liverpool fans a bad name.I sincerely hope the genuine Liverpool fans give you what for. Tue 28 Apr 2009 13:00:43 GMT+1 ShhhMichael_Save_606 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=73#comment172 MightysopranoPerhaps if Liverpool weren't such a two man team they might win the league! Its not much of a team if the only reason they dont win leagues is because of one player missing some games!As for apparently dodgy decisions going in United's favour isnt there a rule amongst referee's that Carragher can do what ever he likes to opponents in the Liverpool penalty area and get away with it?I think you will find that every team has dodgy decisions going for them during the season, no more than any others!You must only watch Liverpool games if you think that they are the most entertaining side in the Premier League! I can think of a few teams that are far more entertaining and dont employ 2 defensive midfielders in their team!Liverpool have only scored five more goals than United and United have a game in hand, it could well be that United will be the top scorers by the actual end of the season so that would blow that comment of yours out of the water! Tue 28 Apr 2009 13:00:11 GMT+1 digispoonerta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=73#comment171 okey, we understand ..... Liverpool hate Manchester United ..... Manchester United hate Liverpool.... What a surprise ....Football is an emotive game and fans of opposing sides will never agree that such and such was/wasn't a penalty .... such and such has had the majority of the decision etc.....I don't think that Blogs need to be clogged up with all this rubbish. Just agree to disagree and get on with it.Giggs getting the award was a bit harsh for this season, but as people say these things even themselves out. At some point during his career i think he hasn't got the award when maybe he should of, so getting it when maybe people don't think he should of evens things out abit. Tue 28 Apr 2009 12:59:53 GMT+1 Jaysbee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=72#comment170 Ok, maybe not cause that would have been 2 extra points :-/ Durr!!It weren't a penalty & that's that! You got lucky in a game you were never on top of up to that point! You needed a little 'extra' help & got it & after that, Spurs collapsed & you benefited.Giggs has been a great player over the years but 12 games/performances a season does not make. Vidic i could understand [even if El Nino made him look 2nd rate] Tue 28 Apr 2009 12:51:56 GMT+1 Jaysbee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=72#comment169 67. At 10:52pm on 27 Apr 2009, hebephrenic wrote:So nothing to do with Liverpool drawing 7 games at home this season against teams they should have done better against? Tell you what, if your had have won 2 of those games - you'd be top and very probably champions at the end of the season.======================================================================Well, if it weren't for a poor refereeing decision in at least one of those [v's Stoke] which went AGAINST us we'd still be above you on goal difference with your game against Arsenal to come.......;) Tue 28 Apr 2009 12:40:38 GMT+1 Rovers Return - HKR AWAY DAYS http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=71#comment168 Satirical blogs are lost on some people... Tue 28 Apr 2009 12:30:21 GMT+1 MangoreUnited http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=71#comment167 Liverpool fans are so biased, no decision in United's favour is ever considered a fair one and no decision in L'pools favour is suspect. Folks these things even themselves out over time. Liverpool were famous for getting penalties, esp late ones, at Anfield during their decade of dominance - it is a fact that the teams at the top of the league get more pens; reason? They attack more; they are generally quicker than the average player; they have more skillful playersl; and their players are a little bit more inclined to tumble in the area with a bit of contact.These are the facts my scouse amigos - no conspiracy, no favour from the refs. The refs are useless in the prem so they will make errors. The likes of Ronaldo, Torres, Stevie G, Drog etc don't help by tumbling but luckily there are guys like Rooney, Tevez, Kuyt etc who are more inclined to stay on thier feet and get a shot in than tumble so it's not all bad.Liverpool fans are such terrible losers, they can never take a United victory at face value, there always has to be a reason why it was undeserved. You know what I did when Everton dumped us out of the cup and ended the quintuple dream? I shook my head and said "jeesh we were cr*p there, and Everton deserve a moment in the sun, ah well". The penalty decision didn't bother me, Berba's penalty taking on the other hand......................... Tue 28 Apr 2009 12:28:24 GMT+1 Clint http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=70#comment166 It's funny because Carrick's penalty on Saturday was as much of a penalty as the one that Man U fans were crying about the previous week against Everton that wasn't awarded. Basically, when a United player falls over in the box, they want a penalty, whether it's the correct decision or not. I wonder what the ref is like tomorrow night in the Thjeatre of dreams. Hope he can handle himself Tue 28 Apr 2009 12:27:04 GMT+1 Jaysbee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=70#comment165 Why are there SO many Utd fans who still think it was a penalty???The WHOLE WORLD knows it was a BIG mistake by Mr. Webb by now!!!C'mon, be humble guys! :-) Tue 28 Apr 2009 12:22:30 GMT+1 Eddy Cordoza http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=70#comment164 Is there anything more predictable than someone like Feel_The_Magic (158) coming on each week, telling Robbo what a funny guy he is and then berating everyone else for having a sense of humour bypass!!!!These blogs are written to be provocative to get people interacting. It's their whole point. That's why each week Robbo pokes fun at the usual suspects, deliberately winding people up. For example, do you really believe he thinks that Webb's poor decision was the worst decision since Bolton conceded a penalty at OT in September? Of course not, but he knew it would provoke responses. I bet he and other bloggers on the beeb have some kind of bet going on who gets most comments each week! Tue 28 Apr 2009 12:20:37 GMT+1 Pottering Through http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=69#comment163 As a Stoke fan i'm disappointed that Rory Delap has not been mentioned in the past few blogs Robbo - Can you please mention him next time!While you're at it you could lambast every other team in the country who now seem to have taken our very own tactic and use it themselves. Its a disgrace the amount of teams that now think they can use the long throw, just where the hell do they get off?There are a few Man U fans who seem to think that it wasn't that bad of decision - I think as decisions go its on a par with going to Mexico and attempting to set a new world record for rolling around in the most pig poo ever! Tue 28 Apr 2009 12:20:29 GMT+1 The Trawler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=69#comment162 so the penalty united got on saturday was the worst dodgy penalty decision you've seen since, ooh let me see, oh yeah that's right, since united's last dodgy penaltyyou could get a job for the BBC with that kind of take on the world Tue 28 Apr 2009 12:16:41 GMT+1 mightysoprano http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=68#comment161 A lot of the posts are correct - we have only ourselves to blame for not turning those draws into wins - then again, Torres has only played half a season and had he been fit he would have made the difference. Liverpool fans - we will win the league next season (forget this season - even if we win every game 5-0 our hard work will be undone by some dodgy decision going yet again in Utd's favour) by fair means. We have been the best and most entertaining team this season evidenced by the fact that we are top scorers and have had most shots. Just imagine if Torres had been fit all season and the refs didn't give such bad decisions in Utd's favour - we would be 10 points plus clear now.. Tue 28 Apr 2009 12:16:22 GMT+1 kenny_burns_kneecap http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=68#comment160 Well said Robbo Robson.Absolutely disgraceful decisions by both Howard Webb and those footballers voting for Giggsy as PFA player of the year. This great game of ours is being ruined by conscious or subconscious refereeing bias and by misplaced sentiment. Surely Gomes should have been red-carded and Gary Neville player of the year?Digusted, Nottingham. Tue 28 Apr 2009 12:13:13 GMT+1 massivemeatball http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=67#comment159 I don't really think anyone who has posted on this blog is in a fit position to say the wrong person won this award. Ignoring the fact that the voting takes place in Feb (ridiculously), what could possibly be fairer than being voted by fellow players (none from your own club). Giggs deserves this award - there have been no players head and shoulders above the others (like Ronaldo last 2 years) and Giggs has been instrumental in key games for United - see Chelsea at home and West Ham away for example.He will no doubt start against Arsenal tomorrow too.As for the penalty decision - GET OVER IT! There are bad decisions made all the time in sport. Refs are not robots, nor are they in any way biased. I think scoring 5-2 is a pretty convincing scoreline if only one of the goals is dodgy!And as for Fergie having double standards - I think you'll find he admitted it wasn't a pen. Something Manuel Benitez would never do. Tue 28 Apr 2009 12:09:18 GMT+1 something_sinister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=67#comment158 Im a Man Utd fan, and i agree it shouldnt have been a penalty on saturday, but having said that, Spurs were still 2-1 up at that point.Man Utd simply took advantage of Spurs feeling sorry for themselves having it go against them, which lets be honest, they should have been more proffesional than that, so they only have themselves to blame. These things happen in football, which they should know, and be able to react to.But no one can take it away from Man Utd at how outstanding we were during the play that followed the penalty, even if spurs hadnt crumbled under the desicion, i still think we would have went on to win.As for Giggs getting player of the YEAR award, its the right choice, given that its an award for the best player over the course of the whole of 2008, not the season. Last year Giggs was simply brilliant and by far one of the most consistant player in the Prem. Tue 28 Apr 2009 12:07:49 GMT+1 Feel The Magic http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=67#comment157 Robbo - some genuinely funny nuggets scattered through your blog, as usual. It amazes me how so many responding to you just don't get this, preferring to sound off instead (without a scintilla of humour), thinking that you have some sort of genuine vendetta against everything that is not Boro or Robbo related! Is mickey-taking a dying art? I blame the parents. I remember your guest appearances on weekend radio doing this very thing - giving 'colourful' opinions on all matters sporting. Very funny then too. Keep up the good work.From a 'wobbly' Sunderland fan. Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:57:52 GMT+1 The One-Armed Man http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=66#comment156 8. At 5:51pm on 27 Apr 2009, Istanbul2005_4eva wrote:Great blog Robbo however Ian Welby your post is near to being asked for moderation considering your view on Howard webb. He has actually given the title to may utd,Don't be silly. What has given us the title is us being better than you over the games we've played so far. 3 points better in fact. Nice to see you're fighting to the end though! Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:57:42 GMT+1 freddawlanen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=66#comment155 Giggs is a legend, but there is no way he has been player of the season, he shouldn't even have been in the running. Maybe it's about time they gave a 'lifetime achievement award', so that a player who has played less than a third of a season can get some credit without making a mockery of the other awards....A very poor penalty decision was actually the most minor bit of incompetence that Mr. Webb showed during the match, his failure to book (or possibly send off) Ronaldo for hacking a player from behind, and not booking Rafael or Evra for dragging back Lennon and Modric every time they were beaten for pace is what should be looked into, as these are incidents that every ref, player, manager and fan know are automatic cards, especially as he had unobstructed views of these fouls. Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:54:19 GMT+1 ShhhMichael_Save_606 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=65#comment154 I really dont think Liverpool will win all their last four games of the season! Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:52:11 GMT+1 Clint http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=65#comment153 I'm sorry but you cannot say a guy who's played a handful of games between Feb to Feb is deserving of the award. Anyone who's played maybe half the games at most would have to have been World footballer of the year standard to even be considered for the PFA player of the season award. Yes Giggs has deserved recognition for his career, but this is not the right award to honour him with. Maybe we FIFA should award the 2008/2009 Golden boot award to Michael Owen, not because he's scored the most goals this season, but simply because he's scored a lot of goals in his career.... Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:51:03 GMT+1 mclovin_f1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=64#comment152 is anyone else just reading ALL these comments and just laughing. I have been, just enjoy the blog for what it is. Robbo - i like your blog, it makes me smile. keep up the good work Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:50:27 GMT+1 Notorious Enigmatic Red Devil AKA Wookiee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=64#comment151 Robbo you make me laugh mate, you really are a WUM. I read several Devils admit it was a dubious peno before you still say "I do wish that Man U fans would stop revising history." I was up the opposite end of the pitch and it was deffo a pen! ;o)In all seriousness, who cares?! We shoulda had one last week in the FA Cup, and where was the uproar from good ol'Droopy...I mean 'Arry then? Still, it either was or wasn't given and thats that, we have to take these things and move on. On the Giggs note I'd like to remind you that it is not player of the season! It is player of the year!Hmm, lets see what Giggs had done in that time....Vice captained his team to a glorious double and his 10th title with some stunning performances in the league and various cups.Scored the goal that won the league!Scored the winning penalty in Moscow!Was crowned World Champion.Scored in every Premier league since inception.Converted himself from world class (but aged) winger into world class CM.Was a credit to himself and football in general in stark contrast to the Baby Bentley Brigade.He doesn't deserve it does he?! Idiots!!! Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:47:37 GMT+1 partyparkins http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=64#comment150 www.futurefootballcoaches.com Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:40:46 GMT+1 Muesli_used_for_cheese http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=63#comment149 As i stated yesterday, the period voted for is February to February? And in that period Ryan Giggs has picked up five winners medals. CL, PL, CS, WCC and CC, and has had huge amount to do with United winning those trophies in that period. I think that is reason enough to give him the award.If it was player of the season and voted for after all the trophies are handed out then you'd have to say it would be between Gerrard and Vidic.If it was all done on sympathy then John Terry would've gotten it for the CL heartbreak. Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:38:46 GMT+1 socrates http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=63#comment148 141. TommyOnionI don't argue with that, but like Redknapp you're over-simplifying matters somewhat.After the penalty Spurs still had a lead to defend but they couldn't do so (they were undone by a brilliant one-touch passing move). Even then they were still on level terms and a point would represent a fantastic result for them, but they were undone by another excellent goal. United went on to score a further two goals. Five in total, four after the poor penalty decision. It's very easy to come up with an argument saying that but for the penalty Spurs would have won 2-0 but it doesn't take in to account United's brilliant second half performance. Even without the penalty, who is to say they wouldn't go on to get three points? After all, they blew Spurs away in that fifteen minute period (in which Spurs were still very much in the game).It's very easy to manufacture arguments based on refereeing. For example, Liverpool at the weekend... The first half was goalless and Liverpool looked woeful, then Mascherano tripped over himself on the stroke of half-time and Liverpool scored from the free-kick. It was a terrible decision (but I suppose decisions never look quite so terrible when they occur outside the box do they?). Then yet another red-card went in Liverpool's favour (no arguments btw, it's just what is it about Liverpool and red cards?) and then there was a hand-ball from Lucas in the build up to their second goal. So really, using the over-simplistic logic you like to apply when it's your rivals, it should have finished 1-1. Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:38:10 GMT+1 Bashir http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=62#comment147 Man u is a victim of media hype on wrong refree descisions as obviously refs now hesistate to give them a well deserved fouls in recent games. Referee errors are part of the excitement of the game and every club has benefited from it more than once. If this current campaign against United continues, it means each time United is on the pitch, its 11 against 14 with the match officials.Giggs derserved that award, no doubts about that. Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:21:50 GMT+1 Clint http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=62#comment146 Why not have a Premiership Hall of Fame, like many American Sports have?Giggs could be inducted into that and we could have a Gerrard, Ireland or Vidic as the Player of the year like they ought to be. Paying tribute to someone's career-long efforts is considerably different to who has been the best player in the Prem this season and so this award undermines the value of the PFA Player of the year trophy.Also, Carrick appealed because he fell over in the box at Old Trafford in a Man U shirt. They are well aware that debatable decions at Old Trafford will go their way 95% of the time. It has proven that Howard Webb is as easily influenced as the rest of the so-called "lesser" referees. Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:20:03 GMT+1 Reddeviltunde http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=61#comment145 Eat your hats all you haters. Fact remains, Ryan Giggs is he player you all wish you had!Congratulations ( soon to be ) Sir Giggs, you're phenomenal Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:19:55 GMT+1 GenesisRed http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=61#comment144 what a surprise to see this blog jump on the same wagon, humming the same moronic tune. It would be nice once in a while to see a pundit or commentator not just bow to the perceived wisdom of whoever gets there first. That Gomes got the smallest of touches on the ball (inconclusive from the replays i've seen), after Carrick touched the ball past him, doesn't really prevent it from being a foul and a penalty, just as a studs up challenge that takes man and a bit of ball doesn't stop it being a foul anywhere else on the pitch. Unless its against Ronaldo of course.It was certainly not the disgusting, appalling decision scouse fans and ABUs have hammed it up to be. Certainly in the light of their own numerous dodgy penalties and decisions going their way for the entire season. The indignation on 606 and here was and is always sweet to hear and read. But it is getting quite tedious.Enjoy another potless season, bitter kopites Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:19:16 GMT+1 digispoonerta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=61#comment143 ok, i said at the time that it wasn't a penalty, fair enough these things do happen, but to say that it didn't affect the game is actually not looking at things objectively (by the way i'm not a Spurs fan either).As a team, if you get a decision like that given against you then your mind set is changed as you feel angry and annoyed that it happened, so for 5-10 mins you usually are not objective and calm. In those 5-10 minutes ManUtd i think scored another 2 goals so yes that decision did change that period, i think that ManU would have won it 3-2 but i don't think that they would have run away with it like they did in the end.Your mindset shouldn't be change like that but by human nature it does, just like going a goal down with a few minutes left of a cup final changes your mindset and everything goes out the windows to get the equaliser!!! Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:17:45 GMT+1 Lambo51 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=60#comment142 That penalty decision... well it looked a penalty in real time. If it had been an outfield player sliding in and nicking the ball in much the same way as Gomes managed, then chance are that a penalty would have been given anyway.Attitudes change in football and probably more years ago than I care to remember, forwards would have jumped over a goalkeeper trying to save at their feet for fear of injuring them. It used to be called sportsmanship. Nowadays, its all about winning dodgy penalties. Any other team but Man U would not have provoked such a response, and I doubt if it was a title awarding decision; Liverpool can cock up their own chances without any outside help! Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:13:46 GMT+1 leemosuk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=60#comment141 Some go your way, others don't. The referees don't have a chance; they are scrutinised week in week out by people with an endless amount of time and replays at their disposal. They are bound to be errors, as the Spurs game and FA cup semi-final prooves- we all make mistakes. A lot of time is wasted debating "what ifs" but, at the end of the day, the records will show a 5-2 home win and that Everton will contest the FA cup final in May- you win some you lose some. There's no point complaining endlessly, you just have to believe that over the course of the season they will even themselves out.Let's give the poor Referee a break- could you do it? Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:13:16 GMT+1 TommyO http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=59#comment140 Come come, socrateswe've all seen enough football to know that goals (or ref's decisions) change matches. They lift crowds, players, give confidence, belief, make others nervy. The longer United went without scoring the more frustration would have set in amongst players/supporters. After they scored it, fair play, they annihilated Spurs but they needed a catalyst and Webb gave it to them. Phelan & Rooney both said how crucial that first goal was post match. Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:11:12 GMT+1 Auqakuh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=59#comment139 @ccfcjayjay:Justify the decision? Really?So if your team - whoever that may be - gets a penalty from a goalscoring oppurtunity denied by foul play, will you call it "lucky"?Just askin'. Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:10:18 GMT+1 socrates http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=58#comment138 Why Robbo are you commending Redknapp for his dignified post-match interview?"It (the penalty) turned the game in their favour without a doubt. At that stage I couldn't see us getting beat. It was a gift which wasn't deserved. It was a terrible decision. Howard (Webb) is supposed to be our best ref, but if he's the best I'd hate to see the worst."If Ferguson, Wenger or Benitez has said that you'd accuse them of being whingers. Also, there's an argument that while the penalty undoubtedly helped United, it didn't CHANGE the game. Spurs were still winning 2-1 and still had a lead to defend. The shape of the game didn't change. Yet Man United cut through them FOUR more times. To blame those four goals on 'feeling sorry for ourselves' is a bit lame. Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:00:15 GMT+1 Things were better under Harold Wilson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=58#comment137 On the Palacios challenge - which no one can condone - can anyone recall a player being sent off for an attempted tackle that completely missed everything - ball, player, row Z?Man U fans citing that as a refereeing 'mistake' are reaching more ineffectually than our defensive midfielder... Tue 28 Apr 2009 10:56:19 GMT+1 ccfcjayjay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=58#comment136 I can't believe some Utd fans are trying to justify the penalty decision. Come on, just hold your hands up and admit you got a very lucky decision. Its nothing to be ashamed off. It happens to everyone, it was just a shocking decision. Gomes took the ball then the player, simple. All this 50/50, debatable, no it was never a penalty. and for those saying, the ref was too far away, or there were people blocking his view, simple matter is if he isn't sure, he isn't suppose to give the penalty. Anyways, ranting on there, my point was that you got a lucky decision, but who cares, did it change the outcome of the game, maybe, did it change the outcome of the season, i highly doubt it. Liverpool have had there fair share of lucky decisions too. Also to point out the muppets moaning that Robbo talks about Utd and Liverpool etc more than any other teams... well surely that is because they are the most popular teams, with the most supporters, and with the most media coverage. If he constantly talked about Boro and the Geordies all you Big 4 supporters would be moaning that your not getting enough coverage. as i said MUPPETS!! Tue 28 Apr 2009 10:51:44 GMT+1 FilbertStreetFan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=57#comment135 Re 131. digispoonertaFair point, although all of this hysteria because Man Utd had a decision go their way is also a red herring.Liverpool have been awarded more penalties than anyone else this season (by a distance) and have had more players sent off against them than anyone else this season (by a distance). I thought some of the decisions on their match against Hull at the weekend were very favourable too. So from a neutral perspective I don't think that Utd being top of the league is due to beneficial refereeing (although reading this blog you'd think that was the case). Tue 28 Apr 2009 10:51:20 GMT+1 Nick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2009/04/relyin_on_ryan.html?page=57#comment134 didgispoonerta - its no big surprise that United have lost more games beacuse invariably they play a far more open way than Liverpool do. Liverpool employ 2 "holding" midfielders nearly every game and only one out and out striker.Liverpool may well have converted some of those draws into wins but Rafas cautious nature came into play. Chasing 3 points might have meant throwing away one.As for the comments on the penalty? Webb made a mistake, simple as that. Okay we can all see that he shouldnt have given a penalty from our armchairs/slomo/multiple angles/replays but Webb had one shot. He isnt the first and wont be the last to get a pen wrong.Did it hand United the title? That kind ofquestion isnt deserving of an answer.Were United out of the game? At halftime they were but if you actually watch the game you'll see that United were swarming all over Spurs as soon as the 2nd half started. It was only a matter of time before they scored, only a matter of time before Spurs collapsed like a house of cards.I also notice there is a distinct lack of comment in relation to Palacios attempted career ender on Ronaldo.Contact or no contact the player should have been red carded. This was when the score was at 0-0. But hey that wouldnt suit the anti-United arguments would it? Tue 28 Apr 2009 10:50:13 GMT+1