Comments for en-gb 30 Wed 04 Mar 2015 23:43:25 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at HT having seen ronaldo's thunderbolt against porto in the champions league, i was reminded about your post, robbo, you know, about *that* goal. was it something like that? :) Thu 16 Apr 2009 09:49:56 GMT+1 dave-is-a-don #31 - if you have any future tip's please pass them along!! Tue 14 Apr 2009 22:00:00 GMT+1 chips_in_the_queue Re 47 Wegotmorecorners:I think you win the prize for the worst comment ever witnessed on a bbc blog. that was embarrassingly bad, sorry. ps - i notice that once again you are obsessing over Manchester United - a bit like your manager.Re 31. Missing: Cristiano Ronaldo, Last known location: Fabio Aurelio's pocket And you win the prize for the spur-of-the-moment-leave-yourself-open-to-ridicule-in-the-future username. For your information, Ronaldo scored twice versus Villa. Sun 12 Apr 2009 08:18:36 GMT+1 chips_in_the_queue Your theory about 'big four time' is flawed. 1) statistics show that the big four receive no more time than the other teams - in fact often they receive less because their games are less stop/start. 2) since the fourth official began showing the board with number of minutes stoppage time, Manchester United have never scored later than the allocated number of minutes stoppage time.3) ironically, the only time this has happened in a United match was on October 29 2005, when Yakubu netted from the penalty spot, over four minutes in to two additional minutes (when Boro won 4-1 at the Riverside). Of course the big four will score more late goals but to suggest there is a conspiracy is desperate to say the least. Sun 12 Apr 2009 08:08:34 GMT+1 raszobbo Godzilla vs a Vauxhall CorsaYOU ROCK MATE!!!!!! Fri 10 Apr 2009 09:22:49 GMT+1 Lesolivesfriend TO MessiforarsenalI distinctly remember when Everton were beating Arsenal a season or 2 ago at Highbury when the ref added minute after minute to normal first-half time while Arsenal huffed and puffed at Everton's goal. In the end, 5 additional minutes were played, instead of the 3 advertised. They ended, incidentally, when Everton broke into a rapid counter-attack and were odds-on to score. Moyes had to be physically restrained at this blatant cheating - he's not used to it, unlike United players and supporters. Ask any Toffee! Thu 09 Apr 2009 17:27:52 GMT+1 Gilo Lupethan - thanks for the follow up to my post stats were a little dated as mentioned and appreciate your research. Especially as your discovery reinforces my point that this is for the 8th week running an article based on no research other than the authors own opinion. Its definately a good blog in that its provocative but inaccurate in its conclusions. I tried to find a league table of the premier ship if all games ended on 85 minutes, but was unsuccessful...maybe a new project for you!!!Im pretty sure the outcome would prove cool hip colloquial Robbo to consult the statisticians at the BBC. Perhaps he should employ you? Thu 09 Apr 2009 17:23:58 GMT+1 Lupethan Okay, so I was sad enough to come up with that list yesterday, and today I have had another slow day and boring lunch break.I thought it might be interesting to compare how much extra time has been played for the current top two of the EPL.Manchester United are famous for the 'Fergie Stop Watch' with all that added extra time, so lets look at the figures for them first.Manchester United - Played 30 games, 15 home & 15 awayHome games - 1st half extra mins = 26, 2nd half extra mins = 47Away games - 1st half extra mins = 22, 2nd half extra mins = 47They have over the 30 games played just over 1.5 games of football in terms of extra minutes added on. But if you look only at 2nd half minutes then they have played 3.1 mins of stoppage time at the end of the match.If you look at the two second half numbers, amazingly they are exactly the same, suggesting that Manchester United do not get extra extra time when playing at home.---Liverpool - played 31 games, 15 home & 16 awayHome games - 1st half extra mins =31, 2nd half mins = 59Away games - 1st half extra mins =29, 2nd half mins = 54They have over the 31 games played just short of 2 extra games of football. Again if you look at the 2nd half minutes only they average 3.6 minutes of stoppage time at the end of the match.---If as is believed the average amount of time added on at the end of the match is 3 minutes, then both of these sides are marginally above that mark, this in my opinion is unsurprising and I would guess similar figures would be found if looking at either Chelsea or Arsenal, because a lot of teams will go and try to waste time in the hope of getting a result of some sort. Thu 09 Apr 2009 13:05:05 GMT+1 thebeareducational I agree about big four time, but generally the issue of stoppage time surely has little to do with actual stoppages.Save when players had to be given oxygen and attached to a drip while on the pitch, has there ever been more first half stoppage time in a major time, than second half? Very unusual at any rate. But if it is a technical consideration it should be half and half, no? The actual rules of FIFA and the FA on stoppage time are .....If the result is already fairly clear then injury time at the end of the second half can be a couple of minutes whatever happened. Let's just go home.If the game is quite exciting and the teams are still playing as if they care, make the game a bit longer, three or four minutes.If the game involves a top four team that is pushing hard for a winner or an equaliser and a large TV audience, play as long as you can reasonably get away with (or just a bit longer) until they get the result than most of the huge world wide audience is hoping for. (This will get them tuning in for another great victory the next week.)If any suffering opposition managers complain about this, they must 'explain their statements', (unless of course their name begins 'Fer..') To finish the gripe, although a Liverpool fan, I for more than one am sick of the above and also the failure to use video technology to back up key decisions in all games. It reminds us all that FIFA is a multi-national company in the business of football, and being fair to smaller teams is just not in their interest. Leaves a sour taste in the mouth Wed 08 Apr 2009 21:16:38 GMT+1 Sarfend4ever I love the stats boys. Just great. I wonder if anyone's done a comparison of Robbo's blog responses -- 117 as I write, 118 if mine is passed by the moderator which they haven't been lately -- versus other sport writers under a respective sport category -- remember Robbo is under Fund and Games. Please enlighten someone.also just watching Barca/Bayern. Barca 2-0 up in no time and could be 13 by the end. The big 4 ought to be very very worried watching these guys play. Wed 08 Apr 2009 19:03:37 GMT+1 TrotterUSA #110 You're absolutely right, I missed that but the medical report shows that it was a torn achilles plus a partial tear of his ACL (not to mention the two herniated discs in his back), just makes the feat even more remarkable and with the endless stream of injuries currently being suffered by our England lads, we might finally have a durable solution in Robbo. Wed 08 Apr 2009 15:54:11 GMT+1 Lupethan Having read through the comments on here, and seeing a slight inaccuracy in post #87 and then some comments about the fact that the stats do not necessarily always reflect the true nature of things, couples along with post #100 where the poster posed the question how many 90+ min goals that are not important, I decided to be boring and do a little research on this with two of the 'BIG FOUR' (and those most recent of culprits) Manchester United & Liverpool to see how many goals have been scored from the 81st minute to the end of the game (Premier League games only)And here are the results...Manchester United.(H) WBA - 1 Goal - 90th minute, final score 4-0 (w)(A) Arsenal - 1 Goal - 89th minute, final score 2-1 (l)(H) Stoke - 2 Goals - 84th & 89th minutes, final score 5-0 (w)(H) Sunderland - 1 Goal - 91st minute, final score 1-0 (w)(A) Stoke - 1 Goal - 83rd minute, final score 0-1 (w)(H) Chelsea - 1 Goal - 87th minute, final score 3-0 (w)(A) Bolton - 1 Goal - 91st minute, final score 0-1 (w)(H) Villa - 1 Goal - 93rd minute, final score 3-2 (w)to summarise this, Manchester United have scored 9 goals with 10 minutes left on the clock and 4 of these after the 90th minute. 3 of these 4 goals affected the result in favour of Manchester United resulting in them gaining an extra 6 points to this point in the season.Liverpool.(A) Sunderland - 1 Goal - 83rd minute - final score 0-1 (w)(H) Middlesbrough - 2 Goals - 86th & 94th minutes - final score 2-1 (w)(A) Manchester City - 1 Goal - 92nd minute - final score 1-2 (w)(H) WBA - 1 Goal - 93rd minute - final score 3-0 (w)(A) Blackburn - 1 Goal - 95th minute - final score 1-3 (w)(H) Chelsea - 2 Goals - 89th & 94th minutes - final score 2-0 (w)(A) Portsmouth - 2 Goals - 85th & 92nd minutes - final score 2-3 (w)(A) Manchester United - 1 Goal - 90th minute - final score 1-4 (w)(A) Fulham - 1 Goal - 92nd minute - final score 0-1 (w)to summarise this, Liverpool have scored 12 goals with 10 minutes left on the clock with 8 of these goals after the 90th minute. 4 of these 8 goals affected the outcome of the match in favour of Liverpool resulting in them having an extra 8 points so far this season.A couple of thins I think this highlights is that both of these teams are able to get goals late on, but they are not always significant, and the idea that goals in time added on are only scored when they play at home is disproved as both of these teams seem to have split the goals evenly between home and away matches.I acknowledge that this is only a limited selection of teams that I have looked at, and I have only looked at goals in their favour as opposed to all goals for/against in games throughout this premiership season.And now that this is written, I better get back to work before someone notices.... Wed 08 Apr 2009 14:55:31 GMT+1 ZeuseyMac 61. At 4:31pm on 07 Apr 2009, Robbo Robson wrote: "... otherwise they wouldn't be cliches, they'd be novel turns of phrase like 'incompident'."_________________________________________________________________________Hahahahah!! Oh my god, I'm sat in an office all on my own and actually guffawing out loud!!I wonder what school did he went at when he was a children, eh?Even though you are a dorty smoggie Robbo, you are truly amusing. Wed 08 Apr 2009 14:44:00 GMT+1 jersey_blue I once scored from the half way line, God I love Subbuteo... Wed 08 Apr 2009 13:15:31 GMT+1 Rovers Return - HKR AWAY DAYS Robbo,I wonder if the people who ask why they pay their TV licence to read your 'rubbish' blog realise they are watching a computer screen?I had being reading your stuff for some time and really enjoy your ramblings. If people could graps that this is a well-presented rant maybe you wouldn't have to explain yourself so often.Thumbs up though! Wed 08 Apr 2009 12:50:47 GMT+1 oldneil Outstanding blog Robbo (again). I will definitely be using the phrase "hit the woodwork more times than Gepetto" ! Wed 08 Apr 2009 10:49:27 GMT+1 red lion In the pubs of Nairobi where we watch the EPL via satellite TV, the word is that every hour at the theatre of dreams has 64 minutes when Man**** are behind and only 56 minutes when Man**** are ahead. It is also believed that as soon as Man**** equalize or go ahead the clock increases speed. Needless to say the situation is somewhat different in the UEFA competitions, hence the relative lack of success by Man**** in those type of competitions. Wed 08 Apr 2009 10:13:45 GMT+1 IanH TrotterUSA: You missed the sore ankle. ;-) Wed 08 Apr 2009 09:56:13 GMT+1 Robbo Robson #107It was more or less just you. Wed 08 Apr 2009 09:44:04 GMT+1 Hex Enduction Hour Eh...Macheda scored in the third minute of injury time...not the fifth...just thought I'd point that out... Wed 08 Apr 2009 09:36:17 GMT+1 Happy2Lead #11 just cuz there were couple of subz made dont mean every game should have 5min extra time mate there only min extra time because its woz at old traford I bet if man u woz winning ther would have only been 3min if not less of extra time....... So how about you go and learn the rules of old traford which all favours to Mancheter United!!!!!!By the way this was one of the worst blogs on bbc robbo maybe it woz just me but the so called jokes were lame Wed 08 Apr 2009 09:29:44 GMT+1 ZEUSFC 103* What you read in the papers, and what actually happens are frequently not the same! Was Berbatov really "tapped up"? or did he make suggestions that he wanted to go to OT, and they simply followed up the interest? Spurs has been a selling club for years, they knew the score, and it's why Ramos dropped him. They obviously like to sell their assets at peak prices (Keane, Carrick etc) I can't help thinking that much of that tapping-up "hype" was merely their own press office getting the player's transfer out in the open, to push the price up. look at the price Utd initially offered, and the price City eventually offered... Any of the big spenders are able to buy whoever they want if; a) they put the money on the table b) the club is willing to sell c) the player wants to go... Wed 08 Apr 2009 09:02:32 GMT+1 I Am Deluded - Hughton Is A Geordie "Conceded. Utterly wengered it. Made a complete Bendtner of that comment didn't I?"Yep. Made a total Boruc of yourself.-------------------------------------------------------------------------Robbo, i just have to say you have Skrtel'd it. :). Wed 08 Apr 2009 08:38:09 GMT+1 kieranlfc5times Liverpool scored their winning goal in the 92nd minute. By anyones standards there was at least 3 minutes extra time the majority of games in the premier league get 3 - 4 minutes so for us to score in the 92nd minute doesn't mean the ref did us any favours?!? Don't see the point in this blog so if you score in any other minute except for the added time its ok? Genius! Wed 08 Apr 2009 08:27:00 GMT+1 dhimmi "This weekend's footie proved one thing - there's Real Time and there's Big Four Time. Real time is counted in minutes and seconds but in Big Four Time you get these strange units called Superseconds, which can be added whenever you need them and you get at least 120 more of these than you would in normal life."This will happen as long as the media/FA/referees give them special treatment.We have seen it on a daily basis for years. For example the media are outraged when Real Madrid illegally tap up Ronaldo from time to time but say nothing (indeed, they were actively helping) when Man Utd illegally tapped up Dimitar Berbatov on a daily basis. Wed 08 Apr 2009 08:00:22 GMT+1 Ged Sweeney Who said that this blog was not educational as well as entertaining?I had never heard of the word "blench" and had assumed it was a typo for "blanch", but no it seems to be correctCheers for the WordPower RobboExcellent Blog, as is usually the case. The punter comments only add to the entertainment value as too many of the wannabees weep, quail (ie blench) and gnash teeth as the BBC have not seen fit to grant them their own blog Wed 08 Apr 2009 06:29:33 GMT+1 TrotterUSA Robbo, a 99th minute game winning, scissor kick volley from inside your own half, virtually on the touch-line and within ear-shot of the abuse from the opposition bench, you lashed a low screamer, still rising as it crashed off the bar and across the line leaving the oppo goalie rooted to the spot.... is how I heard it. Are there any pictures? Wed 08 Apr 2009 01:30:06 GMT+1 redforever It was once said of Bob Paisleys Liverpool, by no lesser man than Brian Clough, that "They win more games because they play the full 90 minutes". Of course in those days you had one sub, and David Fairclough only came on if we werent winning, so 30 seconds of injury time was quite normal. Now I have, as a Liverpool fan, been impressed and frustrated in almost equal measure, at the tenacity of Ferguson and his multiple incarnations of United. Their ability to keep pushing for a goal until the final whistle blows has been one of the biggest reasons for their success. Too many teams are simply hanging on, wasting time, making substitutions (in the hope the referee forgets to add time?), praying for the clock to roll over to 90...well it aint 90 no more. Its 93 as a minimum, and can be as much as 97. At last Liverpool have figured that out, and they are using the same pressure tactics as United have for years. We have had a few late goals, and a couple of injury time goals, and they have been important ones. But heres a question. How often is a goal scored in injury time that ISNT important?Good blog Robbo, I laughed out loud, literally not metaphorically. I dont care that you use colloquial language, it adds personality. Tue 07 Apr 2009 22:14:32 GMT+1 football_goblin Do you think the end of the season will have stoppage time?About that goal... "For your own safety do not attempt to replicate any of the stunts seen here today. Performed by professionals with a safety team always on standby".;) Tue 07 Apr 2009 21:45:52 GMT+1 Albanianfootie hit the woodwork more than gepetto! that is just brilliant! Tue 07 Apr 2009 19:24:30 GMT+1 toonfan Class blog yet again, Robbo, more power to your pencil!!! Tue 07 Apr 2009 19:12:49 GMT+1 Gilo Rudywaltz - point taken the 2 secs of research is a very vanilla way of looking at things. My point is that a little but of analysis is required. The beautiful game can never be fully quantified however, it is clear that if Chelsea have only scored 4 all season in the last ten minutes. They have hardly been getting any goals let alone important ones in this period of the match. Everton have scored highly which is also a lot to do with the fact the non-big four are much less likely to be relaxing on a 4-0 lead at the late stages and therefore have to play to the final seconds. There are hundreds of factors why teams score late on, but 100% nonsense is the suggestion that the Big Four get more time to do this. Your comment about 'important goals' is an ignorent suggestion that the goals scored by the top four are more important....only to the media my friend. I think a late winner on saturday for Boro or Newcastle will be significantly more important to their history....I agree with you its wrong to get too statto when it comes to football. But to base an article purely on fantasy and 'metaphysics' is not better that the 'American way' as you put it.... Tue 07 Apr 2009 18:58:26 GMT+1 Vittorio Cobianchi Robbo Robson wrote:"Careful Rudy! Italian - good English - if you can kick a ball United will be bundling you into a sack and dragging you into their reserve team if the Lazio president is to be believed."I'm 45 yo... does it matter? Tue 07 Apr 2009 18:22:34 GMT+1 Coweslepe It's a shame to see all the unfair and unnecessary criticism once again, because despite all the whining, the crack about the Liverpool fans and their 'knee-weakening screen saver' is the funniest thing that's been on the BBC in ages. Tue 07 Apr 2009 18:21:37 GMT+1 Vittorio Cobianchi @gilessmith83The point is not "how many", but "how important". 4-0 and 5-0 late goals in an easy secured 3-0 match don't mean you've had a "Big four time". Your statistics are pure numbers, good for American boys to read on some match-book during half an hour waiting for next action time; while Robbo's blog deals with football metaphysics. Football is the most metaphysical sport of all. Tue 07 Apr 2009 18:21:02 GMT+1 imoerthere Hi Robbo. I'm a Wanderers fan and was at the game on Saturday. I have to say that the likes of Huth, Aliadiere and Alves are better off in the pop league than up with the big boys. Despite the fact we won and have probably knocked the first nail in the coffin lid for you, I am sure there are loads of people who will feel that the Prem League is losing a terrific role model for clubs everywhere. Gibson deserves as many local gongs as you smoggies can throw at him for trying to breathe new life back into the post industrial wasteland that Teeside is threatening to become. Oh, and he has dignity. Anyhow, good luck with what's left of the season (and boy do you need it!) and thanks for an always entertaining read. Tue 07 Apr 2009 18:14:41 GMT+1 TNeile "Conceded. Utterly wengered it. Made a complete Bendtner of that comment didn't I?"Yep. Made a total Boruc of yourself. Tue 07 Apr 2009 18:04:50 GMT+1 Tafarrell23 65. At 4:38pm on 07 Apr 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:It's a fair point, the better sides are going to score more late goals than the ones that are hanging on for grim death. But I can't see where 5 minutes came from at OT on Sunday. There were no obvious delays for injuries and if there were six substitutions then that makes three minutes. Job done. The rapidly ageing Macheda would've got his goal by then - in any case the lad's effort was worth adding a tad extra anyway.============================================================================Come on Robbo! Watch the game again if you didn't before. When Agbonlahor scored He was down clutching his leg for at least a minute after he scored. There was another minute when one of the Villa defenders was "injured". Also remember that Barry walked off slowly feigning injury for another minute. Then the substitutions. That's clear issues that warrant the 5 minutes. Now address the Liverpool injury time. My question is, why isn't anyone talking about the Liverpool decisions. Like 5, yes FIVE penalties in 3 games after Rafa's mutterings and "facts" about United penalties. Tue 07 Apr 2009 17:53:46 GMT+1 gokes_in_zar Perhaps we should ask the fourth official to explain just how they work out time added on. Imo the lad Agbonlahor was down for a few minutes at OT so its possible that 5 minutes was the correct amount of added time. I watched the entire 2nd half of the Fulham v Liverpool game and the ball barely went out of play, let alone any injury stoppage. How is it that there were 4 added minutes? Tue 07 Apr 2009 17:41:55 GMT+1 M Wow, the Paints Trophy was so important to the BBC that Robbo had to link to an article on the Guardian website rather than here on the Beeb. Tue 07 Apr 2009 17:08:39 GMT+1 Gilo Robbo, 'Big Four Time'I support Everton and saw my team squander a home win to Van Persie in the dying seconds 10 weeks back...WHY? Not cos Arsenal cheated or the big four have more time. Because like many other 'outsiders' Everton did not protect the ball, acted more nerviously than the dominated 85 minutes of that game, but within seconds of victory threw it away. It does not happen more with the Big 4 - its just that the journalists are preoccupied with over-analysing these teams results. Rather than use statistics across the whole league to prove this. Our blue men have scored some late late goals against lower teams in the league. Its got a lot to do with pressure, psychological factors and simply that a stronger side is more likely to score at any time. Hence why Torres, Ronado, Van Persie, Lampard frequesntly 'seem' to score late, but really are just stronger players over 38 games.Number of goals scored in the last 10 minutes (Premier League only) Team Total Goals Goals in last 10 minutes Arsenal 37 11 Everton 30 9 Aston Villa 37 8 Blackburn Rovers 25 8 Liverpool 36 8 Manchester City 39 8 Manchester United 34 8 Hull City 29 7 Newcastle United 28 7 Sunderland 23 7 Tottenham Hotspur 21 7 Middlesbrough 18 6 Stoke City 19 5 West Bromwich Albion 20 5 Wigan Athletic 25 5 Bolton Wanderers 22 4 Chelsea 42 4 West Ham United 29 4 Portsmouth 22 3 Fulham 19 2 This was January 17th and a little dated but at least I have spent 10 seconds on google getting some evidence rather than making up a fictional arguement based on two games this wkend.Doesnt look like Chelsea have this BIG FOUR TIME?? Tue 07 Apr 2009 17:05:05 GMT+1 Federer=Elegance Great Blog Robbo!You'r late this week?isnt it usually Mondays and Fridays ?>Thats been the pattern...Anyway its not just the Blog thats fun..its the After Blog (Comments)That just puts the Icing on the cake.!!Cheers Tue 07 Apr 2009 16:50:07 GMT+1 lakey9boy09 someone with a smaller nose? (which rules out steve orgrizovic i know)juninho and ravanelli!! what a combination! Tue 07 Apr 2009 16:48:28 GMT+1 Robbo Robson Sack Southgate? And replace him with who... or what? Not many Messiahs around Teesside, really. Mowbray? Jack Charlton? Wait a minute, remember that knobbly-kneed schoolboy in the big shorts who looked like Casper from Kes, but played like a genius? Juninho! Your time has come! Tue 07 Apr 2009 16:30:27 GMT+1 RustyRoof "hit the woodwork more times than gepetto" funniest thing ive read in a while, great blog.why the hate for these blogs? they are refreshing twist on the say the same people who complain about these blogs also vote on news channel polls and "have your say" on teletext. But thats my opinion.... Tue 07 Apr 2009 16:29:20 GMT+1 Robbo Robson Careful Rudy! Italian - good English - if you can kick a ball United will be bundling you into a sack and dragging you into their reserve team if the Lazio president is to be believed. Tue 07 Apr 2009 16:27:19 GMT+1 Xavierneville As always 79, who do you replace him with?Any one want the job, not likely, keep him and a probable return next year. Tue 07 Apr 2009 16:24:21 GMT+1 Vittorio Cobianchi I'm Italian, I live in Italy: my English teacher has noticed huge improvements in my compositions since I started to regularly read (and learn by heart) Robbo's blogs. Tue 07 Apr 2009 16:23:33 GMT+1 lakey9boy09 Cheers for the blog Robbo, really enjoyed the light hearted read, and it's nice when something of a journalist's individualism comes through when they write, which it clearly does with you!It's a shame some people have to spoil it with picky, snobbish comments... like someone mentioned earlier, why are you reading it if you're so offended?!Serious question though... If you were Steve Gibson, would you fire Gareth Southgate now? If not, would you fire him if you were relegated? Tue 07 Apr 2009 16:18:27 GMT+1 vakatak Can I hear more from Shevchenkslow please?He opens with: "Have you ever thourght about dropping the cliches and talking how a normal person might" then proceeds with a comment littered with mistakes. He even cites poor use of the English language again and the goes on to spell "incompident".And then we get "?innit??" guy.....what's going on? Tue 07 Apr 2009 16:18:12 GMT+1 Robbo Robson Foot-knack, Welby!? You've never seen brusing like it. Came up like a football but I played the next week. None of this Andy Murray oo I've chipped a nail rubbish from me. Tue 07 Apr 2009 16:14:36 GMT+1 Ricko One small fact that seems to be sneaking by everyone here is that any time added on at Old Trafford was more time for VILLA to go and snatch a winner too, as after all hadn't they been running the United Vauxhall Corsa defence ragged all afternoon hadn't they? If you shut up shop against Utd and try and hang on you get what you deserve... ask Bayern Munich players from 1999... ho hum Tue 07 Apr 2009 16:13:54 GMT+1 Robbo Robson Conceded. Utterly wengered it. Made a complete Bendtner of that comment didn't I? Tue 07 Apr 2009 16:11:29 GMT+1 Hargo A Go Go Robbo, I guess you Wengered Agbonlahor's 'noticable' injury after scoring. It was quite a bit of time. Tue 07 Apr 2009 16:05:29 GMT+1 IanH And I'll bet you were nursing foot-knack too, Robbo. Tue 07 Apr 2009 16:01:31 GMT+1 Hargo A Go Go #61 buyaka buyaka. Bap bap bap. Robbo is a genius. Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:59:47 GMT+1 Pride Of The North Valuable superseconds of working time gone Robbo, gone Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:56:57 GMT+1 Robbo Robson I'm not sure why it's my job to keep you awake, son. Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:49:01 GMT+1 Pride Of The North cheers for making me doze off at work robbo, a 5 minute break turned into a 20! Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:45:28 GMT+1 Robbo Robson The thunderbolt is true!!! Denis, I tell you. It was a filthy day too. I think I fired it in through a 50 mile an hour howler of a wind. Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:44:32 GMT+1 Robbo Robson Don't worry I'll only look at shevchenkslow's as he's the one with a bee in his bonnet. Me I'm not bothered about spelling until some numpty gets on here assuming I'm a long-lost brother of that long-nosed drawler Will Self and should therefore be able to write like I've been forcefed Dickens form a foetal stage. Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:43:10 GMT+1 DenistheGenius ...back on song, Robbinho. too many class lines to pick out.and i, for one, believe in yer 40-yard thunderbolt. as they say, the sun shines on every dog's arsenal once in awhile! Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:39:11 GMT+1 Robbo Robson It's a fair point, the better sides are going to score more late goals than the ones that are hanging on for grim death. But I can't see where 5 minutes came from at OT on Sunday. There were no obvious delays for injuries and if there were six substitutions then that makes three minutes. Job done. The rapidly ageing Macheda would've got his goal by then - in any case the lad's effort was worth adding a tad extra anyway. Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:38:43 GMT+1 Xavierneville Robbo,I see you played the last comment safe, I reckon you penned the response in haste, but have take time to post it to ensure the sepll checker is on and a few mates round the office have checked it to so no come back there....Please don't analysie my tosh, you maybe deeply disappointed how badly the english language can be used.I reckon you should employee a secretary to type your responses, you can't lose..... Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:37:53 GMT+1 Ian_the_chopper Post 57 a few more things re rugby and time. At big games the "real time" is shown on the tv screen so we all know1) How much time is left. Imagine the fun and games if the crowd at Old Trafford and viewers at Old Trafford would have known exactly waht time was left. 2) We alos know if the clock has been stopped for a reason. Interesting also that in rugby the game goes on unless the injury is serious. That might stop a few divers and roller overers in football. 3) Also most importantly the game is not over at the 80 minute but the first time that the ball goes dead after that i.e. off the pitch or a foul / penalty is given to the leading team. If you are behind and one of your players is fouled in rugby the game is stopped and allowed to continue until it goes dead which stops cynical killing of the game. Point 3 is particularly relevant as in the Wales vs Ireland game this year when the Irish won the grand slam they gave away a penalty and the ref allowed it to be taken by Wales. Had it gone over Wales would have won the game. Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:37:22 GMT+1 Xavierneville #58You were so close to making a decent point, so very close.Then you said 'Man UTD etc win because they are born champions' I know you aren't a Utd supporter either but no team are born champions you earn it.But because you are floundering like a daddy long legs on the end of a tyrannical 5 year old because you support the Toon, I'll let you off. Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:32:08 GMT+1 Robbo Robson 24. At 2:33pm on 07 Apr 2009, shevchenkslow wrote: Have you ever thourght about dropping the cliches and talking how a normal person might.The dribble that flows from your mouth could drown a nation.Here's an analogy for you;Gereth southgateis to footballmanagement what you are to the english language.i.e. - southgate is inept, incompident, out of his depthI bet you draft your blogs then sit there for hours trying to IMPROVE (sarcasm) them_________________________________________________________________________Now while you're entitled to your opinion, and we all make mistakes in haste, it's hard for me to let you off when you (a) slag off the language I use and (b) misspell 'incompetent'. As for not using cliches and talking like a normal person. Well the thing is that 'normal' people, presumably like yourself, use cliches all the time... otherwise they wouldn't be cliches, they'd be novel turns of phrase like 'incompident'. Anyway I'm off to analyse your other contributions to see whether they are worthy of the English literary tradition. Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:31:29 GMT+1 Sirmattsway There's only two reasons why people are talking about stoppage time and that is because 1.) O'Neil moaned about it after the game and 2.) Its Old Trafford/United involved. It really does get tiring because United acutally equalised before 90 minutes and as Villa were perhaps the better team in the game why didn't Martin O'Neil see it as an opportunity to win the game? After all as United were so camped in Villas half it meant O'Neil's side could and did counter attack at times. Facts are that Ferderico "Kiko" Macheda scored at the 92/93 minute mark which is not unheard of in fact is about the norm in stoppage time these days but also the stoppage time Mike Reilly gave was as someone pointed out justified by Sky Sports news when they examined it. Time is giving for goals because of celebrations, substitutions, injuries and time wasting. Now as I recall their were plenty of goals in the game prior to Machedas goal, a fair few subs including Welbeck and Macheda from United alone, towards the end but before time board went up and 3 big injuries from Villa. O'neil, Villa and those wanting Man United to drop points only have Villa to blame because Barry went down injured and had to go off for a bit, Cuellar I think it was had cream or something applied to his head and Gabby Agbonalahor went down for ages when he scored that goal clutching his leg if you recall. Then there's the subs from Villa including the Millner one where he walked off slow to waste time which angered both the crowd and Reillly where he actually raised his wrist as if to say "doesn't matter I'm giving stoppage time for that so crawl off if you wish". Now as much as people love to hate the best and most successful team at the minute, the champions if you like its actually Liverpool who have had all the favours from refs. Not only is it them who has scored more injury time goals than anyone in the Premiership but also they have had 3 red cards and 4 penalties in their favour help them out to get some pretty big scorelines. Haven't they seen their opponents Arsenal, Chelsea and United get red cards, well its no surprising they lead the so called big 4 table is it? Chelsea's Lampard and Villa's Brad Friedel were wrongly sent off with both being recinded by the FA. Liverpool got 4 minutes stoppage time in their game not home but AWAY from home to Fulham when they were drawing and need a win to keep their title hopes alive yet there was no goal or celebrations, no time wasting subs who did what Millner did and no people laying on the floor or needing treatment like the 3 Villa players so why oh why did they get 4 minutes? Man United Villa game should have had 10 minutes stoppage time if the Fulham Liverpool one needing 4. Its a joke IMO but no one ever talks about Liverpool getting Ref bias because they don't win anything and aren't the favourites with the big stadium and world player of the year etc. Either way as said Macheda scored in less time that the news channel said should have been given, 4 mins 38. If anything if gave time for Villa to equalise but they didn't so that's why we're talking about this. Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:30:35 GMT+1 dannyzabhi To all the bitter and twisted Villa fans out there who are still wearing their hearts on their sleeves and passing comments about how Mile Riley has traded in his super accurate kinetic time keeping device for a signed Man United shirt - You guys need to look a little closer to home, take Milner for example, it took the lad over a minute to walk (although it did seem like crawling) a fraction of the pitch to tag Reo-Coker in as a sub. Even the ref had to intervene and advise Milner to pull his finger out and get a move on! Also Friedel didn't exactly have a spring in his step when taking goal kicks in the last 10 minutes or so.All this talk about "Superseconds" is rubbish! Villa tried to play the clock down (as probably all teams do) but by doing this they added time onto the game and thus got punished by a United side who, it seems, where suddenly possessed by ghosts of their former selves in the last 15 minutes. Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:28:33 GMT+1 Journeyman There is a simple reason the 'big four' can score time and time again in injury time and thats quite simply because thats what the best teams do. Teams like my beloved Toon crumble under any sort of intense pressure and lose concentration at the end of a match. Man UTD etc win because they are born champions. No club gets any extra time, thats an idiots view, its what the club does with that time thats makes a ridiculous difference. Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:27:28 GMT+1 Piresistable In defence of United, plenty of managers employ time-wasting tactics at the Emirates. The Hull City FA Cup game was just the latest in a long history of cheating that I've witnessed. I guess the same goes on at Old Trafford.Quite simply, the time keeping should be taken out of the hands of the referee. All the ref should have to do is say "time off" and "time on" to a set of agreed regulations as is done in Rugby.I don't hear rugby supporters moaning about such issues. Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:19:29 GMT+1 Xavierneville And that my proof reading is very shoddy!!! LOL Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:17:22 GMT+1 Xavierneville McNulty take notice, see how much better a blog can flow anddevelop when comments aren't put into black hole and only return eight hours later?What are you scared of?Whtehter you are Man U Or Bury. Late goals are scored be cause teams keep going and are in the main fitter than others. Everton have scored loads of late goals not because the ref kindly play until they do because they keep going. Can't score if you don't go forward.Liverpool, Utd, Arsenal, Villa all attack and keep going in the main, no surprises for me teams score late. Each sub in a game is a statuatory 30 secs, most teams use at least two each if not all three in most games. Therefore we have at least two and a half, three minutes. A good manager will always know this to be the case and make sure the team know this to. Add in any other type of stoppage and we have a standard three, possibly four minutes of add time. Stop whinning all people and know its coming, most 5 year olds can do simple maths...... Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:15:02 GMT+1 RedBlueArmy92 Vertigo Timbo, your a joker, it seems some fans of the big four (mainly the 'pool and utd boys to be fair) are so far removed from actual football they have no idea about the real love of the game... You've been spoilt... Jealous? Never, enjoy your mickey mouse Champions League matche, were off to the mighty Portvale for some real football tonite... Come on you Shots! Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:12:07 GMT+1 Ian Shuter Good grief, have so many of you forgotten the rules, the ref is the sole timekeeper, when he indicates 5 minutes of added time that is just a guide to how much time he will add on not a sworn promise. he added the extra minute to help VILLA because the new Dennis Law (haircut) went walk about after he scored (he got a yellow for it) so the ref rightly added the extra minute.I can still remember Fosse Park as the sun set and the ball came out to me on the half way line at a perfect angle and I met it with a mixture of power and accuracy that saw the ball pierce the imaginary net, my mates all said it was over the bar but the goalie was only 4ft 6in. To this day I know it was a goal of Nayim from the halfway line proportions. Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:09:09 GMT+1 philtoon82 vertigo timboits comments like yours that makes hating man utd and all their 'cling on' supporters so much easierWhitley for the Vase! Tue 07 Apr 2009 15:01:51 GMT+1 ngassa To all the hypocrites out there, here are a few match facts for youArsenal-------------1. Oct 4th, 2008: Sunderland vs Arsenal. Arsenal trailing from Leadbitter's 86th minute goal; the ref added 5min of extra time; Fabregas equalized in the 93rd2. Nov 1st, 2008: Stoke vs Arsenal. Arsenal was 2 goals down. Don't remember exactly how many minutes added, but it was more than 5 and Clichy got a consolation in the 94thLiverpool-------------1. August 23rd, 2008: Liverpool vs Boro. At 1-1, the ref added 6min of extra time; Gerrard scores in the 94th.2. Sept 20th, 2008: Liverpool vs Stoke. At 0-0, the ref added 4min of ET. Liverpool still failed to score.3. Oct 5th, 2008: Man City vs Liverpool. At 2-2, the ref added 7min. Kuyt scores in 92nd.4. Nov 4th, 2008: Liverpool vs Atletico. Trailing 0-1 at home, Liverpool get an extra 6 min to equalize which Gerrard did (pen) in the 95th.5. April 4th, 2009: Fulham vs Liverpool. At 0-0, The ref gives 4min added, Benayoun scores in the 92nd. Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:57:54 GMT+1 Chillash Terrible blog! About as clear as a dark room .... Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:53:40 GMT+1 glazierNOWeagle #42Grammar seems fine to a normal person. Except when quoting Shevchenslow. I should have used inverted commas. Still i think you understood it though. Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:40:27 GMT+1 vertigo_timbo I love all this factual moaning about the amount of time that gets added onto games - err didn't United score in the second minute of extra time - so what's all this complaining about 5 mins then? Get over it your all only jealous anyway - not only do you all wish your club was a big club like United who regularly win trophies I bet you all wish your club could be as big as mine when we rubbish in the 70's and 80's! Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:39:11 GMT+1 Wegotmorecorners Had I not spent the afternoon in the pub, my Sunday afternoon would have been totally ruined...Martin O’Neil stood on the touchline, his face disbelieving, his hands as empty as the Lazio youth academy. Never on the field of human conflict had so much owed by millions of Man U fans to so few (namely Giggs, Carrick and digging deep…oh and a single piece of magic from a teenager) – or been so little deserved.“Wot maaaan?” A Man U fan about 10 yards away from me in the pub was disagreeing in a high-pitched voice with a Villa fan in front of him…”Wot? Undeserved? We woz all over you maaaan innit…Man U totally deserved that innit…we smacked it innit….innit?” He imploringly looked over to the bar where two more United fans were clinking two fresh new pints of Carling shandy.“Errr…” one AIG boy winced unconvincingly at the other and replied: “Well….we had the better of the last 15 minutes mate”What’s that? I was choking on the dregs of my pint…quick, have them killed, stuffed and sold to the Science Museum so that they can be mounted inside a glass box on a plinth marked: “Manchester United fans with dignity, integrity and honesty – very rare”.For the first ten minutes United had hustled and bustled in the sunshine while their fans chanted that one song they know…”Un-i-ted, Un-i-ted”. Then after a brilliant display of incisive, artistic, direct football, they carved an opening innit…no wait…hang on…indirect free kick from a back pass…who’s gonna take it? Damn it…if only that boy Ronaldo was playing…what’s that? He is playing? Sorry…didn’t realize…it’s only Villa after all…even Thierry Henry couldn’t disappear in this game.Boom! The right foot of the Brylcreemed slapper cracks an unstoppable shot into the top corner. Well…you know what I mean by unstoppable…unstoppable as in can’t be stopped if you put a toddler on the post and your keeper in the wall.The prawn sarnies were singing that other song they know…the one about not being moved when Villa clawed themselves back into the game, a well placed header into the bottom corner by Carew while Neville watched and applauded. Some United players (Giggs, Tevez, Carrick) were digging in and working when it mattered, others were not.CR7 had disappeared faster than a slowing-down bullet. The World Player of the Year was again an anonymous but well polished side-show, a bit like the little guy from Hong Kong that amuses you at half time with his kick-ups. His only contribution between his gifted first and his deflected second was his assist in Agbonlahor’s goal on the hour. If you really think Ronaldo is the best player in the world innit, then watch him standing hands on hips after giving the ball away needlessly, watching while his team-mates chase back and Villa take the lead and ask yourself if you wouldn’t swap him like a rocket for Messi, Kaka, Iniesta, Xavi et al (hell we all know that Sir Alex would swap him for Stevie G tomorrow…and he’s rubbish innit). In fact personally I’d swap him like a rocket for a rocket…either a real rocket or one of them ice lolly ones with the 3 flavours….mmmmm.Whether or not this Hollyoaks extra leaves the Premier League in the summer will depend not on his ambition or skill…but on whether Alex Ferguson realizes that the Emperor really does not have any clothes. He may not have to watch his defenders fumble around after Kaka this season…but nothing makes you feel more naked than Lionel Messi running at you, and you can tell him I told you so. If anyone offers Mr Ferguson sixty million quid for him, he should rip off their arm, hand and everything else. With that kind of money you can buy clothes that you can’t see through.After the equalizer, Villa started to sit back and invite Man U on. Not sensible. Perhaps O’Neill was hoping that with play stretched his nippy forwards and wingers could somehow smuggle a winner. Admirably on a couple of occasions Carew and Young went towards goal instead of the corner flags but ultimately gave up possession and handed the ball back to Man U when they should have/could have been running the clock down. 5 minutes of injury time. Not one glance at Sir Alex’s special watch. Not yet anyway. To be fair when Macheda’s moment of brilliance came it was in the third minute of added time. 5 minutes you could argue with…3 minutes you couldn’t - and that’s a fact Rafa. The turn was sublime, the shot was perfect, the noise of the ball rippling down the inside netting and the resulting euphoria like R&B to the ears of the United fans drowning out the collective squeaking of bums. The fact is though, with regard to the injury time it's easy to forget some important facts. Firstly that had the board read 3 minutes and not 5, Villa may well have chosen to waste the time whether down by the corner flag (as Ronaldo did after the 3rd United goal) or in possession. Had they done this the little Spanish chesse boy may not even have touched the ball. Instead Villa twice pushed for a winner in injury time thinking that 5 was too much time to whittle down. Secondly added time can have a serious psychological effect on teams, a bit like in cricket when professionals say it's psychologically harder to chase down 500 runs than it is 499. Villa got nervous, careless and edgy in injury time once the "5" had gone up. Finally, the whistle went in the end in the region of 95 minutes 40 odd seconds. Therefore the ref added in the region of 40 seconds for the near-on two minutes Man U wasted with their in-crowd goal celebrations. Sigh...Villa fans crying. Arsenal fans high-fiving. Liverpool fans drinking up and leaving.I was convinced after Liverpool’s victory over Villa that it would come down to this: If Liverpool are very, very lucky, then come May 16 and with two games remaining each, the gap will still be 4 points (the way it virtually is now). Liverpool can only win the title if Man U slip up not just at Old Trafford against Arsenal – but also against a Hull side on the last day of the season who may have nothing to play for by then except pride - through the celebratory hangovers of a Premier League survival season. The final thing is this, it’s hard to see Chelsea not picking up 21 points from their last 7 and finishing on 85 points. On those crowded city streets, Paula Radcliffe often gets so far ahead that she doesn’t notice the one with the accent and the sprint finish lurking in the background. And that’s a fact camarero. Innit.(Please note, names have been changed to protect the guilty and some events in this comment are fabrication…Man Utd fans with “dignity, integrity and honesty”…of course they’re not real kids) Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:37:31 GMT+1 philtoon82 35. At 2:58pm on 07 Apr 2009, glazierNOWeagle wrote: Oops check the spelling of Northerner. Sorry.Or your grammar perhaps? Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:31:44 GMT+1 ohwotthehell Robbo - If I recall correctly 'The Evening Gazette' had it that you had already clered it off the line from behind your own stranded keeper before clearing it upfield to set up the initial attack, then ran full half length of the field to be ahead of your own flagging midfielders? Oh and was it not in the fourth minute of added time too??Another top comedy blog, well off field in respect of football, but who cares, good humour - keep it up. Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:31:11 GMT+1 RyanAFCT Robbo:I'm glad i'm not the only one who's noticed how old Macheda looks. How come teenage footballers always look 10 years older than average normal teenagers? Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:30:51 GMT+1 philtoon82 # 17 Xaviernevilleit was for Spurs against Ipswich at Portman Road!!its on one of my old 'Goals,Goals,Goals' video's!! Classic! Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:26:28 GMT+1 funnyvivalarasa 12. At 2:05pm on 07 Apr 2009, messi4arsenal wrote:The Big Four Time is not real. What it's should be called is Old Trafford Time. I have never ever seen 5 minutes of stoppage time at the Emirates. It just goes to show how much United are favoured in this league compared to all the other teams. I loved it when O'Neill said you wouldn't see that at Villa Park. Very true.I'm not blind I see what is going on------------------------------------------------Never seen that much extra time at emirates don't make me laugh.Last season aginst villa scored in the 6th minute of usual 5 min of injury time at the emirates obviously.anuways united scored in the 2nd minute so the 5 min didn't really matter.Great blog robbo,really made me laugh. Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:22:42 GMT+1 vertigo_timbo I once scored a goal from the half way line - so ok the keeper wasn't great and rather flapped at it but I knew that's he'd do anway. Still a goal from the half way line is a goal from the half way line. Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:18:34 GMT+1 RedBlueArmy92 Robbo mate, top notch as ever mush, and even though its early doors yet some top comments... Ere Shever, wind ya neck in a bit son it's only a bit of fun... Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:17:55 GMT+1 Hargo A Go Go Do people forget that Agbonlahor spent 2 minutes on the floor after scoring? That was a huge part of the added time. Zat Knight was also down on the floor at one point (or was it Curtis Davis)for a couple minutes. The added time at OT was perfectly Legit. Can anyone say teh same for the time at Craven Cottage? Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:09:05 GMT+1 superstarDJ-MarcusMcGee This post has been Removed Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:08:29 GMT+1 Parish87 At 2:53pm on 07 Apr 2009, shevchenkslow wrote:crazyteknoheadyou *^@'(? - whats the betting that you are a loserpoo fani'm not a journalist - sorry if my typing isnt up to your standard - i dont proof read it---What's the bettin that you're an idiot - oh wait! Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:05:38 GMT+1 CroftKid How the heck do you think these things up Robbo me mate - a frothy cappuccino, Godzilla v Vauxhall Corsa, Geppetto, chewing gum like a sheep etc etc - hilarious. Tue 07 Apr 2009 14:04:53 GMT+1 glazierNOWeagle Oops check the spelling of Northerner. Sorry. Tue 07 Apr 2009 13:58:42 GMT+1 glazierNOWeagle To #20 saintgunni;I agree 100% with your comments. These people don't seem to get it that this blog is meant to be akin to chatting with your mates in the pub. As a Londoner the word "summat" is not in my vocablary but it is still acceptable parlance in a pub when coming from a Northener.To#24 shevchenkslow:I really hope you were attempting humour when you said Robbo should talk how a normal person might. I don't know what your definition of normal is but it certainly doesn't comply with mine. Your feeble attempt to write a witty analogy about Southgate was the wost flawed piece of writing I have ever seen. Please tell me you were not serious. The spelling,syntax and incorrect use/non use of capitals and inability to use a space bar must have been an IMPROVEMENT (Sarcasm).Great blog again Robbo. You always make me laugh. Tue 07 Apr 2009 13:57:43 GMT+1 superstarDJ-MarcusMcGee crazyteknoheadyou *^@'(£ - whats the betting that you are a loserpoo fani'm not a journalist - sorry if my typing isnt up to your standard - i dont proof read it Tue 07 Apr 2009 13:53:33 GMT+1 Journeyman I can't cope with the tosh people write in slating this blog. It's a funny blog and it's a nice change from the more serious. If you dont like it then stop reading it. I don't particularly like songs of praise ruining my tv viewing but i don't write into the BBC to complain about it because ive got this magical thing called a remote. Does all sorts of things.And also Robbo we wont be going down once we beat Stoke on Saturday (if we don't then we are indeed gone) so you can enjoy the championship football with the rotten mackems Tue 07 Apr 2009 13:51:33 GMT+1 Parish87 Since they changed the way you post to blogs mine always times out and I don't know whether it's done or not so I post twice sometimes.... Tue 07 Apr 2009 13:44:37 GMT+1 Xavierneville What?Nayim checks twice, that's just paranoid......such is the shadow of the great man Tue 07 Apr 2009 13:41:22 GMT+1 ZEUSFC 24* good to see that normal service has been resumed this week... keep up the good work! (loved the cheese reference...) Tue 07 Apr 2009 13:41:22 GMT+1 Crazyteknohed I feel that complaining about Robbo's English is a tad rich judging by your post, shevchenkslow.What's with the angry sods, void of any sense of humour, who keep complaining about your blogs, Robbo? Are they just bitter Man Utd fans, sick of the ridicule their team has (deservedly) received in the last few weeks? Tue 07 Apr 2009 13:41:20 GMT+1