Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html en-gb 30 Sat 20 Dec 2014 06:56:50 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html boomshakalak http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=99#comment197 This post has been Removed Tue 04 Nov 2008 09:49:16 GMT+1 boomshakalak http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=98#comment196 This post has been Removed Mon 03 Nov 2008 21:41:59 GMT+1 Twentymanisgod http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=98#comment195 I wholeheartedly agree with this article. It is about time that some of these so called "loyal" football players got a grip on reality. The only people who really have a devine right to kiss the badge is the supporters who actually pay for the privilege of watching their own team. I wonder if you put money or a badge in front of these footballers, which one would they kiss then? Joey Barton would soon move to a bigger team (such as Everton) if he was given the chance. Sun 02 Nov 2008 21:56:11 GMT+1 supermokh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=97#comment194 Agreed. thats exactly what the premier league is today - a sixth-form disco Sun 02 Nov 2008 12:26:22 GMT+1 The Unused Substitute http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=97#comment193 Spot on article. There's no loyalty in football nowadays - there are exceptions though. Sun 02 Nov 2008 12:26:15 GMT+1 blueamsterdam http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=96#comment192 Rooney has the IQ of a 6 yr old.... as do most of the other badge kissing toss3rs Sun 02 Nov 2008 10:48:00 GMT+1 pimms-o-clock http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=96#comment191 This is the worst blog i've heard from robbo.Barton could well have been showing his commitment to newcastle, even do there the only club that would play him. With Ronney he was at Everton at 19 he was never gonna end his career there when hes considered a wonderkid. Players may try and make commitments but there just like you and i. If you had the opportunity of 30,000 k a year more than you have at the moment 9/10 your gonna take it. It's greedy but to be honest i would take it as well. The kiss of the badge is to show there enjoyment of playing for the club. However after a while that enjoyment will go and as you notice they will move like berbatov did. All good things come to an end. Or in some cases bad. Sat 01 Nov 2008 22:04:26 GMT+1 digitaljacknife http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=95#comment190 re comment 190, i meant i agree with tom-thrilley Sat 01 Nov 2008 19:41:39 GMT+1 digitaljacknife http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=95#comment189 I totally agree with tom thinney, rooney has been a united player for a long time now, he one the prem and champ league last season with united so its not surprising he feels loyal after they paid so much to sign him Sat 01 Nov 2008 19:39:51 GMT+1 Tom Lenartowicz http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=94#comment188 Robbo's writing skills sound just like the trash that's published in a weekly gossip mag. If you're going to write about what is actually quite an interesting topic, put forward a good argument.As King_Eric_Cantona pointed out, your argument sort of fails with your last paragraph. Rooney didn't sign for United last season!Why is it that a player can't feel passion for a new club? I mean, that's what players are there for in the first place. Their job is to play football; which involves working as a team and playing your best individual football. Naturally they're going to feel some sort of pride when they score or opposition fans have a go at them. Sat 01 Nov 2008 18:25:06 GMT+1 Fuzzy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=94#comment187 And footie fans, whether they like it or not, are involved in a pretty torrid (or if you're a Liverpool fan, Torres) love affair. ========================Poor Sat 01 Nov 2008 17:18:49 GMT+1 digitaljacknife http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=93#comment186 wot is wrong with players kissing there badges, yeah it is a desperate way to try to win the fans over but football is very fickle and so are the percentage of fans, how many tottenham fans called for jols head last season then started begging for him to come back this season, how many fans say on here one week they want there manager sacked then they win two games and there the best thing to ever happen to the club, i think fans are the people that need to sort there acts out as most of them are a joke that change there opinions from one day to the next, Rooney is a passionate player being provoked by a load of fans that used to call hiim a legend when he was sixteen so he was bound to react, he is still only young himself, grow up he aint russell brand, lol Sat 01 Nov 2008 17:09:15 GMT+1 digitaljacknife http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=93#comment185 wot is wrong with players kissing there badges, yeah it is a desperate way to try to win the fans over but football is very fickle and so are the percentage of fans, how many tottenham fans called for jols head last season then started begging for him to come back this season, how many fans say on here one week they want there manager sacked then they win two games and there the best thing to ever happen to the club, i think fans are the people that need to sort there acts out as most of them are a joke that change there opinions from one day to the next, Rooney is a passionate player being provoked by a load of fans that used to call hiim a legend when he was sixteen so he was bound to react, he is still only young himself, grow up he aint russell brans, lol Sat 01 Nov 2008 17:08:53 GMT+1 blueamsterdam http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=92#comment184 Re comment 182:I was trying to inject a bit of humour to the comments, did you think I was seriously comparing kissing a badge to murder??Come on.You obviously 'support' a team to which this type of scenario does not occur..am I right?Whichever team you support I hope it's your local team. Sat 01 Nov 2008 15:40:50 GMT+1 Owen's daddy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=92#comment183 Imagine growing up in the North-East of England on the banks of River Tyne, an England and Newcastle fan.Then 20 odd years later your scoring against you 2 childhood teams and kissing the badges of Scotland and s*nderland.Step forward the worst badge kisser of all time...Don Hutchinson. Sat 01 Nov 2008 15:34:54 GMT+1 SummersIron http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=91#comment182 182 comments written so far as I write this, although as I continue to write it becomes 182 and a tenth, ninth, eighth, etc... Anyhow, there are worse things in life than a player kissing his badge. I don't think I've ever read such an angry blog by Robbo before; surely this is unjustified. Player scores goal. Player celebrates by kissing the badge of the team he plays for to acknowledge that he has scored that particular goal for that particular team's fans, and for the manager and players of the team denoted by the badge. It is not an oath of undying loyalty to the club, or in Robinho's case, even an assertion that he knows which club it is. In the player's head, he is happy to have scored the goal and wants to share that happiness with the fans who are cheering him on. In two months' time he may play for a different club and kiss a different badge. So what? Sat 01 Nov 2008 14:19:46 GMT+1 Vox Populi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=91#comment181 Re: comment 179, the fact that you compare Rooney's 'betrayal' to murder is completely over the top. We're talking about a player switching football teams. It's the same with Campbell and the abuse Spurs fans give him. For me, people need to get a grip. Yes, we're all passionate about our clubs. But I think people need to get over transfers that happened years ago. If you're offered a better deal and a chance for more success and achievement in your career, then most ambitious people go for it. Comparing a football transfer to murder is just not right, particularly when you look at recent events going on in our society. Sat 01 Nov 2008 12:32:24 GMT+1 Jim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=90#comment180 Loyalty always comes at a price ... now if some of the permiership clubs were to make some of their star players take part in strictly come dancing, or something not so appealing as part of their contract - perhaps "We'll donate all your wages for a year to charity and you'll play for nowt" ..we'd see who were the loyal players out there.. Sat 01 Nov 2008 12:03:56 GMT+1 RU4REALM8 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=90#comment179 This has to be the biggest amount of bull ever contrived? Why would you bother writing this? You surely don't believe in what you are saying. I guess you just have to get paid for blogging something. And FYI - Torres has been a devoted Pool supporter all his life. But that's besides the point - what's wrong with showing your allegiance to the club you pay for by kissing the badge? What an idiot... Sat 01 Nov 2008 11:43:28 GMT+1 blueamsterdam http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=89#comment178 This blog has basically ended up with Man Utd fans defending a player... like a lawyer defending a man with a knife in his hands covered in blood standing over a body saying "I'm glad I did it, you deserved it" and the rest of the football fans who see things a bit clearly Sat 01 Nov 2008 10:58:27 GMT+1 Vox Populi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=89#comment177 Fom the moment Rooney steps inside Goodison he gets dogs abuse and its been that way for the last four years.You can't call him kissing the Man Utd badge as betrayal because the original act of betrayal happened in 2004 when he left Everton. The Everton fans have never got over it. You can't blame the player for giving as good as he is getting. And the fact is- he left to win trophies and push his career along. He could have stayed at a midtable team and seen his career drift. He's won the Premiership and Champions League when he could have been fighting for a UEFA Cup place. If he'd stayed Everton wouldn't even have had the £30m they got from United for him and invested in other players. Also, when he played for Everton they were a worse team than they are now, so anyone who imagines he could have taken them to glory singlehandedly is dreaming! Sat 01 Nov 2008 10:29:10 GMT+1 mccake http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=88#comment176 "no better than a drunken snog at a sixth-form disco. "you have to realise that most footballers haven't a clue what a six-form disco is ... they don't stay in school that long! Sat 01 Nov 2008 10:14:26 GMT+1 mattspur1882 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=88#comment175 No problems at all with players kissing the badge it shows that at that moment they are 100% commited to the cause. How can they possibly know if one day they will leave, and the chances are if they are playing for a team beneath their own standard then they probally will leave one-day. I'm Spurs and I want every player in the shirt playing for the cause (although this rarely happens) and if kissing the badge is there way of showing it then no problems Sat 01 Nov 2008 09:14:31 GMT+1 panchopuskas http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=87#comment174 wes 1986i wouldn't put rooney in the list of 'jumped-up little mercenary',he's hardly likely to jump ship at the sign of extra money and he's likely to remain at man utd for a few years yet.________________________Erm, well, he did it at Everton, didn't he?And as for SAF's rant against Madrid. Not exactly doing a favour to ManU's image. This came after Madrid's president said that he wouldn't be persuing Ronaldo further and that ManU were a friend of Madrid.And calling Madrid a Franco club when it's the Madrid fans who own the club and get the right to elect the president and ManU are totally owned and controled by a foreign businessman.Maybe Calderon is right this time. Onset of senility for ol' Blue Nose. Sat 01 Nov 2008 08:28:46 GMT+1 manucastle http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=87#comment173 38. At 3:32pm on 30 Oct 2008, Bluenose wrote:How much did you just get paid to write this rubbish? do you kiss the bbc badge on your way home?---------------------------------------------------Hahaha.. good one. Sat 01 Nov 2008 06:19:07 GMT+1 Notting Hill Homeboy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=86#comment172 that was the worst blog i have ever read from Robbo. you sound like a grumpy old man. you clearly haven t played the game before if you think its wrong to kiss the badge every once in a while.... dreadful Fri 31 Oct 2008 23:47:20 GMT+1 tonymulryan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=86#comment171 That is quite simply a brilliant piece of writing! Fri 31 Oct 2008 22:51:58 GMT+1 VengaEspuelas http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=85#comment170 All these posts lambasting players for changing clubs ... have none of their authors changed jobs, sought a promotion, been headhunted? We don't usually talk about 'disloyalty' and 'mercenaries' when someone leaves their job and moves to another company, so why should it be any different in football? Boiled down to the very essence, isn't a footballer a worker earning a (stellar) salary like everyone else? A club doesn't 'own' a player, just like the companies we work for don't 'own' us. Even if a player has been through a club's youth academy, he's still ultimately just a salaried worker like everyone else and has the right to seek a better job, like everyone else. I know that football is deeper and more emotional than regular 'work' but we shouldn't forget that for footballers, that's still what it is: work. We should demand professionalism, not loyalty - because that's what is demanded of us. Fri 31 Oct 2008 22:26:10 GMT+1 Flaves-babes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=85#comment169 wow this article is so bad i thought i was on ESPN. Fri 31 Oct 2008 21:28:59 GMT+1 danmanuq http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=84#comment168 One more thing. Lay off Harry Rednapp. Most of you live in a dream world. If you lot in your office, factory or whatever job you do were offered a better one, you would take it. But for some reason you think footballers and managers have to be different. If you had supported Bolton all your life and you was their manager or player, but was offered the chance to play or manage Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea etc you would take it. You would want to prove that you are the best in your professional field, no doubt about it. If you think differently then you are an absolute idiot. I am a Man U supporter and have been all my life. But if I was in professional football I would manage or play for Liverpool, no doubt about it. I would rather play for United, but as long as I was at that club I would give everything and would want that club to be the best in the world. Fri 31 Oct 2008 21:12:44 GMT+1 danmanuq http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=84#comment167 What nonsense!Rooney's loyality to United is unquestionable. Barton was showing his appreciation to Newcastle as a club who he wants to repay with good performances. Furthermore, no matter what his bad points, Barton always gives 110%. However, it is easy for players at big clubs to stay there. You mentioned John Terry. Just before Chelsea was bought by Abramovich. When they was having financial difficulties. He was on the verge of signing for Manchester United. So where was his lotality you might ask. But that would be nonsense. Fans should be happy with players who give there everything for the club as it goes both ways. Clubs sell players when it suits them. They release players after years of service when they can no longer produce. Just take a look at Gavin's blog. We need to start laying of players. The vast majority are not merceneries. Some of them are mismanaged and mis-advised. But most do care. Thats why they spent all of their childhood playing and dreaming of football. Fri 31 Oct 2008 20:58:02 GMT+1 blueamsterdam http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=83#comment166 Wayne Rooney should hang his head in shame.He has basically betrayed his heritage , not just Everton FC but the city of Liverpool and all his family and old friends and school friends.His family surely can't walk the streets of Liverpool proud of the way he behaves towards all their friends who attend the games against Utd.Rooney treated Everton and David Moyes with no repect whatsoever and I think has his career planned out already. One or two more seasons at OT then on to The Bernabau or San Siro.This is a very focused young man...focused on himself, Man Utd fans please do not be fooled by these meaningless acts because one day soon he will leave you....same goes for Ronaldo. Fri 31 Oct 2008 20:06:24 GMT+1 moleluvsliverpool http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=83#comment165 35. At 3:28pm on 30 Oct 2008, Rafa's Magic Box Beard wrote:Don't know why Man Utd fans are getting defensive over Rooney. He's perfectly entitled to kiss his badge if he wants. Its only a bit of cloth sewn to another bit of cloth.He used to do the same at Everton as well.----------------------------Don't mind that he kissed the badge but to say its only a piece of cloth disgusts me slightly.Are you a baseball fan???The badge is a symbol of everything the club means its a flag. Would you say that the flag of st George is "just a piece of cloth"???it is a symbol of our nation. And the badge is a symbol of the club. Now rooney's alliegence lies with United I think that he may well be entitled to kiss the badge though I'm slightly dubious. I would never kiss one other than the liverpool badge period. If I played for another club I would just not kiss a badge but thats just me. I know where my loyalties are.A badge is not a piece of cloth.phew rant over.bit excessive maybe....but true Fri 31 Oct 2008 20:04:37 GMT+1 lymmbluenose http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=82#comment164 The United fans who now claim Shrek as one of their own are the same United fans who sing "In your Liverpool Slums" when Everton play at the Theatre of Hatred! Never mind eh Wazza! Now you've taken your thirty pieces of silver and kissed the Manc badge you can join in with the chorus. So much for loyalty in the modern game... Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:24:56 GMT+1 ronaldo_rocket http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=82#comment163 Fair point when relative to some players. But 2 years is not even long enough to symbolise a passionate love for a club!!! Come on. Gerrard yes, no doubt. Terry yes, no doubt, Giggs, no question. But some one such as Adebayor? There are very few loyal players who actually mean what they represent to the media and there is no doubt of that. Fri 31 Oct 2008 18:24:06 GMT+1 PeopleLikeArs http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=81#comment162 You want loyalty? Go get a dog! Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:38:15 GMT+1 Brentznet http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=81#comment161 Hiya allfirstly I want to say to the guy who said I should use a spell checker, all the words I used were in the dictionary, I just type really fast and want to get it done, it's not like my full-time job is answering to blogs is it.Maybe you could piss a team badge though , it would have to have a white background and a yellow emblem and you would have to do it in the middle of winter.I tell you what does wind me up with these blogs though , is all the pathetic mudslinging between fans of football teams.I waste so much time having to read through comments that seem more appropriate for a childrens playground and yes my dad is better than your dad nerdy nerdy ner ner. Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:30:02 GMT+1 OnlyBlueDave http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=80#comment160 also, why is everyone having a go at robbo for voicing his opinion?its a blog?thats generally what a blog is. Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:04:50 GMT+1 Doomcaster http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=80#comment159 The orginal post - so very very trueThe footballers nowadays don't give a stuff about their club or supporters - they just want the money off 'who ever' Fri 31 Oct 2008 16:54:49 GMT+1 jiranma http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=79#comment158 I know we are talking about players...but what about Harry Redknapp? Fri 31 Oct 2008 16:21:13 GMT+1 OnlyBlueDave http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=79#comment157 Lets be reasonable though, chances are these players don't even think about what they are doing and just do the first thing that comes to their heads when they celebrate.and even if that is what they want to do why does it actually matter.admittedly someone like anelka it may seem extremely transparent but rooney/ashley cole etc have every right to show fans loyalty just because they have changed clubs doesnt make them disloyal to anyone ashley cole was unhappy at arsenal and gallas went to arsenal as well so surely that is the same thing, they both play at their utmost best 9/10 times for their respective clubs so does that not show loyalty to their new clubs? Fri 31 Oct 2008 16:01:17 GMT+1 Notorious Enigmatic Red Devil AKA Wookiee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=78#comment156 He was never gonna make it as big with the toffees and thats no disrespect. So what better way for an Everton fan to stick it up the pool than to come to United to help us overhaul their title count!He can kiss our badge as long as he wants, he's a credit to United and he's a credit to Everton for bringing him through. Fri 31 Oct 2008 15:59:05 GMT+1 4Jacks http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=78#comment155 Badge Kissing is transparently hypocritical. To be truly sincere - get your badge tattooed on your chest and let your team mates kiss it – now that’s commitment! Fri 31 Oct 2008 15:56:43 GMT+1 gebeeze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=77#comment154 True. It was a bit cringeworthy when Sidwell grabbed the badge after scoring late on against Wigan. It was his first premier league appearance for us; this is the guy who's career was resurrected at Reading, always seemed to have the grump with the fans (remember the ginger day or something silly like that?) and left at the first opportunity to warm the bench at Chelsea and to pick up £50 grand a week. I'm sure he will be a good addition to our squad, and he is certainly a decent player. But he's only been here five minutes and he's already raising his badge. There's no need for it. And if Barry did it, there'd be a riot up in the holte. The fans appreciate it much more when players respond to the crowd (Friedel give us a wave!) or stay around for a minute or two at the final whistle. Cut this kissing of the badge out- it's only for mercenaries who know they are never going to be there long enough to win over the fans. Fri 31 Oct 2008 15:30:58 GMT+1 The Harrier http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=77#comment153 Guys running around a football pitch... we use to worry and comment about them hugging and kissing each other. Then we worried about the girls and wives they kissed and how much said partners spent shopping. now we're on about them kissing their badges?!Surely it's what they do with their feet that matters. Fri 31 Oct 2008 14:43:25 GMT+1 clarkus4020 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=76#comment152 #57 "LeighOxford" "I would be more critical of Robbie Keane kissing his Liverpool badge in front of Spurs fans, then I would any other group of fans. He says Liverpool was his boyhood club and he left to follow a dream. He wouldn't disrespect the club that he said he loved, by kissing his badge in front of us." If Keane scores against his old club Spurs, I really can't see him rubbing the Spurs' fans noses in it. When he scored a hat-trick for Spurs against his old club Wolves, he didn't celebrate at all out of respect for the Wolves fans. For me that showed his class and maturity as a man.#105 "Uninventivename" Totally agree. If you're a football fan with at least half a brain please read #105. It's exactly how it really is - get over it!#113 "div3andback" "the only debate to be had in football because it could be changed is when does the game put and end to the hopelessly pathetic agonised tumbling of the cheats on every team - at least robbo can claim a reasonable level of probity in this aspect of the game. the solution does not lie with pillorying the referee by the way." Again - couldn't agree more. I'm so sick of hearing nearly all the Premiership managers moaning about referees decisions "costing them the game". It's a hard enough to referee at a kid's training session, how on earth are you supposed to always get it right when you've got 22 professional cheats trying to deceive you? If, as a manager, you can put your hand on your heart and say you don't have any players who ever try to deceive the ref, then perhaps you have earnt the right to blame the ref and no-one else! If you lose, take it on the chin like a grown up - go on, just try it for one match and see how good self respect feels! Fri 31 Oct 2008 14:42:32 GMT+1 Thanks A lot BBC7 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=76#comment151 Spot on Robbo, your last 3 articles have been as consistently good as the Boro performances. You get it wrong with Joe Bartons badge kissing though, he actually drained the badge into pure alcohol the night before and needs a bit of a refreshment after each energy soaking action. Fri 31 Oct 2008 14:22:38 GMT+1 King-Dion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=75#comment150 Great blog yet again - and spot on too.We are approaching the season now where the namby pamby players start to wear their knitted mittens and gloves; (it will probably start at Arsenal again and fan out from there). So why not get their mums to embroider their team badge on the back? It will be a lot easier to kiss the backs of their hands rather than risk a chill by raising their shirts! Unless, of course, they have a profound message stitched on their undergarment too.We have to understand that most footballers, but certainly not all of them, are rather simple souls. All they want from life is adoration, eighty grand a week and a free pass to behave like a complete and utter prat. . Fri 31 Oct 2008 14:02:46 GMT+1 toffeekiwi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=75#comment149 Strange how a lot of this badge kissing goes on after the players - Campbell, Rooney, Barton - have been abused by over 30,000 people. Perhaps there is a link? Possibly, even, a critical mass of people required to prompt a player to kiss his badge?Personally, I think they should carry their contracts round with them, or at least the page with the numbers on. When abused, the can kiss (or hug) that.Whilst I am in no hurry to defend any Premiership player, it must be very difficult for a player not to react to the abuse they get, especially as no player is usually hired for his intellectual or emotional attributes. Fri 31 Oct 2008 13:52:16 GMT+1 norniron_pete http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=74#comment148 Bit off topic this one, but seeing as Rooney is coming up so much I might as well bring it up.After the alleged JT 'spitting' incident in the CL final, there were numerous comments from united supporters about how much of a scumbag he is.Could said supporters please now condemn Wayne Rooney after being cautioned by police for spitting at someone and acknowledge that he is a pathetic, obnoxious, stupid, fat, thuggish excuse for a human being, akin to something you would scrape off the bottom of your shoe? Fri 31 Oct 2008 13:23:39 GMT+1 telemonster http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=74#comment147 legendary blog, robbo-spot on! Fri 31 Oct 2008 13:17:06 GMT+1 Joe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=73#comment146 Dear Robbo,Just a few quick points:- Very funny blog. Some excellent and original lines. Those people complaining should realise that you are just trying to be funny and wind us up a bit - aren't you? - Regardless, I have always thought that kissing the badge is the sort of childish gesture overpaid and underIQ'd sportsmen will do. The other thing I hate to see is grown men kissing each other - get a room!- Someone made a good point about the crossing of the chest - what about the T-Shirts under the jersey telling everyone that the scorer 'Belongs to Jesus'? Bad news for the owners of the club who paid millions for him.- As for the ongoing debate about the value and meaning of 100% that blogger Genghisridesagain brought up to my delight (Because my brother is called Genghis and I have been complaining for 99% of my life about this one topic) the situation is simple. 100% just means ALL. Therefore it is not possible to give more than ALL your effort or energy or commitment. We all know that someone is only trying to say that they gave all they could by using the expression 110% but it is not possible to do this. - I really love to watch Man. U. play and I really believe they are one of the top 5 clubs in the world. However, they also seem to have the supporters with the thinnest skin. Just because they are so big does not mean the club and players are above criticism. Why not do a Fergie and just ignore the comments you do not like? Boycott the beeb the way he does. You are big enough to ignore any comments but you always seem to raise to the bait. Still, always good for a laugh.- Finally, if this is the reaction you get when you write a 'rubbish' blog (My commas as I am still laughing both at your words and many of the contributors) then I hope to read a 'good' blog by yourself in the future.The world is full of critics - ignore them. You have hit a nerve and brought up a subject that whilst trivial in it's own way is also symbolic of the lifestyle we live nowadays where style is much more important than substance.Gratefully yours, Joe. Fri 31 Oct 2008 13:13:17 GMT+1 guitarbaz http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=73#comment145 that chemical smog has got to you robbo.who (in all honesty) really gives a flying who is playing for their team as long as the team is winning, and likewise gives a similar flying as to their "shows of allegiance" or otherwise??football fans are of a mob mentaility when we're in a footy ground and will cheer whomever on the pitch is doing a good job for us.at beat we'll get behind our teams and share some amusing banter with the opposition fans / players. at worst you just have to look at the shoeless chavs who inhabit the staduim of sh*te.so really, loyalty makes no difference. they can kiss whatever they like, we know fine well it's all a game. ah yeah, it's called footie innit. Fri 31 Oct 2008 12:36:26 GMT+1 Rob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=72#comment144 To be honest Robbo, if that woman had the body of Scarlett Johanssen she'd only need the stamina of Dot Cotton! Fri 31 Oct 2008 12:34:25 GMT+1 Danny Mc http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=72#comment143 Im with robbo on this one.Wayne Rooney is nothing but a dirty scumbag. Iam a Liverpool fan and obviously dont care if Everton lose their best players. But kissing that badge was disrespect to evryone from Liverpool including his family members who still support the toffees. I could go on about the fat scruff all day but its friday and i dont want to get myself wound up Fri 31 Oct 2008 12:23:35 GMT+1 rachthehammer http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=71#comment142 I do agree, the badge-kissing is a farce, but I don't agree that players can't feel a real loyalty for their team in a short amount of time. Carlos Tevez two seasons ago had no real reason to feel any affinity towards West Ham - he essentially knew he'd done enough to be shopped away somewhere bigger and better (after all, Javier had already gone to Liverpool). When he scored his first goal for us (against Spurs, no less) he stripped off and ran into the crowd.The reaction of Hammers' fans last season when they came to Upton Park shows that they know Tevez put his heart and soul into West Ham for the short time he was there.Thankfully, he never kissed his flippin' badge. Fri 31 Oct 2008 12:12:00 GMT+1 Maddog http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=71#comment141 this is the worst blog on the bbc what a waste of space this blog is, this upsets more than brand and ross leaving some drunken answer phone messages if Robbo has a blog can I have one? Fri 31 Oct 2008 12:04:42 GMT+1 englandcritic http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=70#comment140 As long as the England player's start showing more emotion and passion by kissing the 3 lions on their shirts and recognizing its the badge on the shirt thats more important than their name on the back I am all for this display for international sides! Fri 31 Oct 2008 11:59:47 GMT+1 siblin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=70#comment139 To be fair - If they paid me a 6 figure sum every week i'd kiss more than just their badges! Fri 31 Oct 2008 11:44:24 GMT+1 Stapothered http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=69#comment138 Everyone seems to have missed that facts that Carragher was an Everton fan, Scholes is an Oldham fan and Terry supported Manchester United. Fri 31 Oct 2008 11:22:06 GMT+1 gentlemanMarkov http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=69#comment137 This post has been Removed Fri 31 Oct 2008 11:21:14 GMT+1 EuroPaddy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=68#comment136 #127What post did you read? Where did I mention I didn't enjoy Robbo's blog and that I didn't find it funny? This comments on this blog frequently degenerate into slagging matches between supporters of different clubs, usually completely unrelated to the content of the blog. And there's always someone on their soap box proclaiming that 'my licence fee shouldn't be used to support blah blah blah...'. If you read my comment again you'll see that my first point was a bit tongue-in cheek, if you know what that means.Robbo states that he's 'not afraid to ruffle a few feathers', and that's what he's done here. Sorry for not joining your love-in, but I happen to disagree with one specific point made - isn't that the point of this? Fri 31 Oct 2008 10:32:17 GMT+1 tbizzle7 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=68#comment135 Spot on robbo, this is an issue that really has irratated me for a while.Alan Smith is the prime example and although I cringed when I saw him kiss the man utd, I felt sick to my stomach when I saw him taint the newcastle badge... Fri 31 Oct 2008 10:19:57 GMT+1 blueamsterdam http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=67#comment134 I think the folk who think that the Rooney incident was a harmless gesture need to think again.That small but very offensive gesture could have caused a riot at the stadium that day.This is why it is being called into issue. Fri 31 Oct 2008 10:18:24 GMT+1 Meefloaf http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=67#comment133 alan smith is another prime example, he kissed the badge and said he never to join man yoo, only to say they were the only club he'd leave leeds to join, even with bids from everton and apparently juventus Fri 31 Oct 2008 09:01:25 GMT+1 oldhighbrarian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=66#comment132 And don't forget the baby rocking and thumb sucking gestures either Robbo. I know you picked up on this some time ago, but it's time to stick the boot in again especially with the arch thumb-sucking numpty himself, Robinho, now plying his trade on these shores. Thumb suckers and badge kissers OUT! Fri 31 Oct 2008 08:51:20 GMT+1 Ant1979 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=66#comment131 It's ok saying Barton was just showing loyalty to the club that stood by him; but what choice did Newcastle have really?They'd have seriously struggled to sell him and I'm sure they can't really AFFORD to sack him at the moment. If he shuts his mouth, behaves himself and plays well for 5 full seasons then he's forgiven. Simple as.He might even step up a level and really succeed.... if he puts all his energy into playing football and nothing else.Let's see what happens... Fri 31 Oct 2008 08:42:03 GMT+1 MEGAUNITEDFAN4LIFE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=65#comment130 i also think that badgesshould stay were they are because the kit would look like someone drunk had done the bagde and footie teams don't want that so i think kissing the bagde should be allowed but if it gets to out of hand we should ban it. I think the only time and place you can kiss a badge is when you score and your in front of your own fans Fri 31 Oct 2008 08:41:09 GMT+1 MEGAUNITEDFAN4LIFE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=65#comment129 i don't think it's a major issue because you helping the team you love and thats it and if the opposing teams fans don't like it who cares, i think the rooney incident on saturday wasn't bad because he wiped his mouth he didn't kiss the united badge so i think he's been clever there but it certainly set the everton fans off wow!! (well in rooney) Fri 31 Oct 2008 08:37:24 GMT+1 keanomackem http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=64#comment128 Perhaps clubs should get a bit more creative with the placement of the badge? On the back of the shorts would sort out the men from the boys eh? Fri 31 Oct 2008 08:27:42 GMT+1 olddocrob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=64#comment127 I meant post 125 not 129...getting ahead of myself Fri 31 Oct 2008 08:14:41 GMT+1 olddocrob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=63#comment126 my God....the world is falling apart out there and 123 sane people find the time to get wound up about a bit of a moan about hypocrisy in the modern game. As for those who think Robbo has no sense of humour ( eg 129).....'gelled tumbler' is just the bees knees as a description of the boy Ronnie. The only loyalty I want to see is 90 minutes of bloody hard work week in week out, and the game played with spirit and imagination. Fri 31 Oct 2008 08:14:05 GMT+1 BeppeSignori http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=63#comment125 Couldn't agree more there Robbo. Though it seems to me there is so much badge kissing nowadays that the significance of the act has been diluted and shouldn't be taken as such an afront anymore. The thought that kissing a badge is enough to prompt and investigation for inciting violence amongst supporters is laughable as well. Fri 31 Oct 2008 08:03:51 GMT+1 EuroPaddy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=62#comment124 Getting soft Robbo?You sparked a proper debate this time - very few snail-brains slagging each other off. You even made it to post # 100 before someone mentioned the licence fee (now, those 'points-of-view' posters really pi$$ me off).But as I mentioned yesterday (#46), you're still wrong this time. Using Rooney as an example (and this goes for most professional footballers), no matter how much ther're paid, they should not have to put up with the foul mouthed, theatening abuse from opposition fans. These are the same type of people who can no longer wage running battles in the streets against opposition fans, so what do they do? Take it inside the stadium and call it banter, and use it as an opportunity to teach their kids how to do it also. If the footballer reacts the way he probably wants to, he'll end up in deep poo a la Eric Cantona. So what's left? Give them the metaphoric finger by kissing the badge of your current club - I'm sure that's a BIG wind-up.There are many examples of this, but to use a recent one: ask Sol Campbell... Fri 31 Oct 2008 07:57:20 GMT+1 Paper-Luke http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=62#comment123 I stopped reading half the way through. >_>Honestly, if you join a new team you may want, just a little bit, for the fans to like you. Maybe scoring a few or playing well in the first games might just help that cause a tiny bit.Plus kissing the badge has just become a celebration now. If you kiss a badge it's like smiling every time you see the BBC win an award at something. You do work there. If the football team goes down the gutter, so do you. Fri 31 Oct 2008 07:50:16 GMT+1 laticsfanaticisback http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=61#comment122 As always Robbo is absolutely boring.... He tries to be funny with his little jibes but he continues to make himself look like a herbert with no sense of humour. If anyone knows him personally (i feel for you) but please buy him a new joke book for Christmas.Absolutely nothing wrong with Rooney kissing his badge like he did... Rooney is a young kid you have to remember... he has taken a lot of stick from a lot of fans/critics in his short career. All he was doing was proving that he's now a red... what's the big deal?Joey Barton has gone through a lot (which he has brought on himself) and he just wanted to show the fans/manager that he's commited to the cause and commited to the club after they have stuck by him... again I don't see a problem with it... Robbo you have got nothing to talk about so you have to try and make something out of nothing... FAIL!I enjoy reading all the articles on this site apart from the ones that you write. Fri 31 Oct 2008 02:21:33 GMT+1 manutdfan455 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=61#comment121 What's all this against Rooney, Robbo. You have pretty good blogs but talking about Rooney like that was out of order. Leave it out, Rooney is loyal and has love for his club. He has worked wonders for us and I don't think he will ever leave United for lure of money elsewhere.He's not a "mercenary" he's a united player through and through Fri 31 Oct 2008 02:03:27 GMT+1 Lee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=60#comment120 Good points Pandy187. I don't see how this becomes an issue when a united player does it. The kissing of the badge is supposed to show layalty and genuine love for the club. Man Utd have given Rooney the chance to show his ability to the world. He has since won about every honour you can win in the domestic game. Where as the Everton fans continue to critisize him even though he made the club alot of money. Players like Rooney who leave a club on good terms to better their career and make some money for the club they supported as a child should be applauded. Unlike half the young prospects you see being snapped up by Chelsea's millions these days.Also why do the BBC feel they don't have to critisize Steven Gerrard in any way. Is it so they don't upset Mark Lawrenson and Alan Hansen? Steven Gerrard is one of the biggest divers in the league yet this has never been mentioned on Match of The Day and he has been kissing his badge for years but when Chelsea came calling a couple of years ago he wanted out. If it wasn't for them winning the champions league he probably wouldn't be at Liverpool because he realized at that point he had no excuse to leave other than money and i'm sure money was his biggest motivation. Fri 31 Oct 2008 00:06:36 GMT+1 Pandy187 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=60#comment119 I disagree with most of what you've wrote... Not trying to have a go or anything but the way I see the Barton was him showing he's commited to the club because they stood by him when everyone else wanted to give up. (I am NOT a fan of Barton btw, I can't stand him and think he should still be locked up personally). And the Rooney kissing the badge... you wrote:"So here's my plea to footballers up and down the country. No badge-kissing unless you've been there two years minimum and you've just signed an extensive contract (without some elaborate fannying about by your agent to screw as much cash out of the club you so loyally support)."Well Rooney has been with United for 4 years and the chances are he will be with us for alot longer if not the rest of his career so I don't really see your point... Plus Carragher and Gerrard were both Evertonians too anyway so why should it be ok for them to kiss their badge but not for Rooney? Thu 30 Oct 2008 23:43:31 GMT+1 Robbo Robson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=59#comment118 Look I know they trailed this by saying I think badge-kissing should be outlawed but I'm not against it entirely - just when it's used as a sop to your own (new) fans or when it's effectively a v-sign to them that used to appreciate your talents. Thu 30 Oct 2008 22:58:44 GMT+1 smevens http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=59#comment117 I think badge kissing shouldn't be removed from the game. It's a sign of passion. Kids all across the country playing football kiss their badges. Its just a part of football. There is no need to make a big incident out of it. At the end of the day it doesn't cause harm to anybody!Its the same principle with taking off the shirt after scoring a goal. What is wrong with that? After scoring a goal, your emotions are sky high. You should be allowed to celebrate with the crowd to. Too often I see stewards rushing to stop players do this.Essentially by removing badge kissing, shirt celebrations, and celebrating with the crowd, we are removing the passion part of football, specifically english football. Next as Phil Neville said on Saturday (even though I am a fan of ronaldo) if we take tackling out of the game we are taking away a bit of the soul of english football. Thu 30 Oct 2008 22:39:54 GMT+1 SuperStrikerShivam http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=58#comment116 There is nothing wrong with kissing your club badge to wind the fans up, yet again, another one of Robbo's POINTLESS blogs. Thu 30 Oct 2008 22:35:58 GMT+1 rush-onenil http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=58#comment115 Perhaps the badges taste of something hence all the tongue action? Clearly Everton badges are toffee, albeit rarely kissed. A few others:Cheslea - london cabbieMan U - prawn sandwichNewcastle - coalHull - fishArsenal - bleedin obviousTottenham - chicken soupLeeds - old moneyLiverpool - Honey of courseAny other suggestions? Thu 30 Oct 2008 22:14:54 GMT+1 PloKoon13 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=57#comment114 Well you didn't see a true agent of the game like Winston Bogarde ever getting into this badge-kissing business... ;) Thu 30 Oct 2008 21:37:01 GMT+1 SuperThunderStingCar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=57#comment113 Rooney wasn't kissing his badge. He was wiping his mouth. Must have had a piece of toffee stuck in his teeth!As for Barton - He was invisible except for the penalty yet they announced him man-of-the-match when Duff had run his socks off the whole game. I wouldn't be surprised if he was being coached to soft-soap those Geordies. I like to think they're a bit too savvy to fall for that one... Thu 30 Oct 2008 21:16:11 GMT+1 div3andback http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=56#comment112 if robbo wants to start a debate of any purpose why pick on the tired one on the feckless lack of loyalty ANYONE - club or player - shows in this business/money dominated game? because he or manu have been models of it themselves - i think not. its a wholly duplicitous self serving industry where young deluded boys believe they are legends for doing their job while the clubs chase the prostitute-players via their pimps the agents for what they can get. it wont and cant be changed by asking who should suck their badge after putting the ball away. the only debate to be had in football because it could be changed is when does the game put and end to the hopelessly pathetic agonised tumbling of the cheats on every team - at least robbo can claim a reasonable level of probity in this aspect of the game. the solution does not lie with pillorying the referee by the way. Thu 30 Oct 2008 21:07:37 GMT+1 mankyblue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=56#comment111 Rooney will always be a scoucer, a blue playing in the red of man u, never a Manc no matter how hard he tries. You cannot change where you are from or the club you supported as a kid. I bet his blue familiy are so proud when he kisses that red badge. The funny thing is there's really no need to do it as he's a fine footballer and he left the toffee's for maga-money at man u. Barton another wayward scoucer who just wants to be loved he'd kiss anything to wipe that extensive slate of his clean. I remember his flirting with liverpool while he was a City. City who'd brought him through there ranks and forgiven a few of his sins. He'd have been down the M62 fast as his sports car could take him ... Enough! have a good weekend and stop the bagde kissing.. Thu 30 Oct 2008 20:55:25 GMT+1 rooneys right boot http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=55#comment110 tell you what lets just ban passion , love of the club your at, and the players right to show that passion. honestly every blog you read these days wants to sanatise the game a bit more. in the rooney case he was reacting to the hatefilled crowd when he kissed the badge, its part of the banter of the game!! they give him stick he does it back its human nature for gods sake. Thu 30 Oct 2008 20:50:57 GMT+1 blueamsterdam http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=55#comment109 To the Man Utd fans and one or two others :1 Rooney is/was not wished the best from most Everton fans. I am yet to meet one!2 It's not the fact that once his profile went up he wanted to jump ship, it's the way he went about it. Publicly blaming David Moyes for his departure (court case settled out of court in favour of Mayes against Rooney).3 Everton these days have the moniker 'The Peoples Club'. This is because the clubs vast majority of fans are born into supporting the club, not glory hunters from the four corners. Everton boasts more local support (from within a radius of the ground) than any other premiership club and foolishly thought of Rooney..t-shirt etc.. as one of their own who might have at least given a bit back (a couple of years) to the club who made him and gave him his chance.If you can't understand this then you don't know what it's like to be born into a club. Thu 30 Oct 2008 20:46:42 GMT+1 Red KnIght http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=54#comment108 Robbo as the paid bufoon of 606 you are vaguely amusing but you are way off the mark in lumping Rooney with Barton.Rooney has his heritage but has moved on to , lets face it, a much bigger club.I think from reading your rather small minded comments that you would prefer Domingo to keep singing in his local church since moving to La Scala betrays his roots?This is a puerile argument and not very well thought out.You should do a Russell Brand, resign and give people with an open mind a chance. Thu 30 Oct 2008 20:32:12 GMT+1 Red_Devil90 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=54#comment107 Firstly, who's to say what the "once a blue always a blue" shirt meant? it could just mean that he was letting them know that if he ever moved to a bigger club he would always have a love for everton after they gave him his name, but people just see it as "oh he said once a blue always a blue meaning he was going to stay at everton forever" which is absoloute nonsense. and as for the ronaldo comment, his mum was actually telling him to stay at OT not leave for real. and the reason for him being so "moody" as you are so eager to point out, is not because he didn't leave, but maybe because he still isn't fully fit? he's a winner, he wants to have that golden touch back ASAP which is why he keeps getting frustrated with his below-par performances since his return from injury.Also, john terry isn't chelsea's hero. he is totally over rated. Carvalho is the true hero for chelsea he is the one who has the real skill in defence. So, Robbo, players can only kiss the badge after two years of being at the club? so how comes you said rooney doesn't have justification? he belongs at united, he will be with us untill he decides to hang up his boots! Thu 30 Oct 2008 20:12:29 GMT+1 cards http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=53#comment106 I must have missed the bit where the clubs are so loyal to the players, trading them to get someone bigger, selling them to make some cash or even taking them on as little kids then dumping them when they aren't big enough fast enough or skillful enough. And fans loyalty is even more fickle, one week the best manager/player ever, a few weeks/hours later rubbish has to go, they may be loyal to the 'club' but that doesn't mean they be loyal to any person associated with it. Thu 30 Oct 2008 19:49:17 GMT+1 Bircheshead http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=53#comment105 How about scrapping Premiership players' wages and replacing with a performance and loyalty remuneration ? Loyalty being anybody who gets past the January sales. Waiting 10 years for a testimonial may be relevant to players out of the top tier but not to the overpaid prima donnas. Thu 30 Oct 2008 19:41:14 GMT+1 Uninventivename http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=52#comment104 Modern footballers have no honour, cash is their only incentive, how dare they make vacuous gestures of loyalty when we all know they don't mean it, blah blah blah.Heard it all before but whatever, am I the only football fan in the country who doesn't expect any loyalty from players and managers? I don't really mind it when a player moves on, even if it's unexpected, likewise with a manager although I obviously respect and appreciate loyalty to a club.I wasn't that bothered when Berbatov left (although we all knew that was coming), I was surprised, but not angry, about Keane leaving, I thought Ramos getting fired was a shame but expected and if I was a Pompey fan I would not care about Redknapp leaving. Yes, Tottenham are my club but I don't expect players and managers to be as committed to them as myself, playing or managing Tottenham is their job. Unless they have a special loyalty to the club they will treat it as a job, doing their best while they are there in the hopes of better opportunities coming along. In football, as with Redknapp, these opportunities can be more sudden and fleeting than in other work environments and so occasionally unexpected and sudden departures of players and coaches does happen, I don't take it as a personal snub when it occurs.The one-or-two-second long act of kissing the badge signifies nothing except that at the moment the player does it they want to express their pride, at that time, for playing for the club, it doesn't neccessarily indicate a life-long commitment to the cause. I feel too much is made of the lack of the loyalty in the modern game, our clubs are special to the fans but it is not unreasonable of players and coaches at them to treat it like a regular job. Thu 30 Oct 2008 19:01:35 GMT+1 kingy167 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=52#comment103 so what we suggesting? a yellow card every time a player kisses his shirt? or maybe for the media just to slate them in the paper?rooney, campbell and just about every player in the world wants to win things, if a player behaves half-arsed or claims he wants to join another club then they shouldn't be kissing badges. rooney is showing loyalty to a team which payed 30 million for him, that pays his wages, that looks out for him, so him kissing the badge shows us as fans he appreciates it and shows the united management and board he appreciates it.as for joey barton, he needs to do alot more then kiss a shirt, but atleast he's making the effort to change and maybe he was just showing his appreciation to newcastle for looking after him.robbo this article is just having a niggle at things that really don't matter Thu 30 Oct 2008 18:59:14 GMT+1 atillathehun http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=51#comment102 btw robbo, it's spelt johansson, not the way u spelt it lol! Thu 30 Oct 2008 18:52:34 GMT+1 pvandck http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=51#comment101 Kissing badges, kissing their ring finger, signs of the cross are nothing to do with passion in football. Nor are the dim-witted extravagant celebrations after goal scoring. They're just signs of copycat footballers with no imagination, and a diversion from the fact that most of them have no real passion for either the game or their teams. I don't think there is any passion in football any more - and I'm not talking about abusing the referee or getting angry or upset. There's only passion for money.Passion for the game exists in players' loyalty to club, colleagues and fans, irrespective of the monopoly money pay. Same goes for the loyalty of the clubs to their players and fans. Thu 30 Oct 2008 18:39:41 GMT+1 turtsy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=50#comment100 I think all this moaning about how Everton nurtured and brought through Rooney is completely wrong. Rooney was a business investment, either to help Everton win silverware (haha) and earn money or to be sold on as an asset and again make a profit, not for some noble cause.It always seems that there is an element in football support that instead of focusing on their own team, they seem to focus on hating everyone else. People should be able to appreciate football for football's sake and not take a player transferring as a personal insult. Getting a bit off topic, so: Rooney's badge gnawing showed poor judgement on his part, but can you imagine how you would feel, being a local lad with a team you have supported all your life and when you make a move to further your career you are turned upon and disgustingly abused. The sad thing is that the majority of Everton fans probably wish him all the best, but its the minority that bring this situation on for the rest.Agree with the rest though, that badge kissing should only be done by true servants of a club and not by people who are unproven in their loyalty.I wonder how many badges Anelka has kissed in his career? the rat faced frog. Thu 30 Oct 2008 18:38:26 GMT+1 Dion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=50#comment99 Oh this is poor, can I have my licence fee back? Better yet drop this plonker and buy another server for 606 so it doesn't die on match days. Thu 30 Oct 2008 18:26:57 GMT+1 gunner_spain http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/kissing_in_the_wind.html?page=49#comment98 When Ade kissed the badge in his first home match this season, he was soundly booed. Fans don't forget the 'on loan' players, who pledge their allegiance when their prospective next money step, back off and are no longer interested. Any others you might think of????See Hublot the Swiss watch makers are just sponsoring manu. [Check BBC] They are creating a special 'Red Devil' watch with a 45 min timer ! Shows how much they know about football. Should have a home and away setting, ranging from 85 to 97 minutes, satellite linked to the strength of Ol' Blue Nose's tantrums !!!One comment from last night's debacle. Where were the 'senior' players with all the wealth of experience [Gallas/Silvestre], when they should have been ensuring they marshalled the 'youngsters' in closing out the match and the shutting down players - not to mention actually watching for Lennon! Are they a 'plant' by their last teams?????? Thu 30 Oct 2008 18:01:07 GMT+1