Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html en-gb 30 Sun 13 Jul 2014 02:55:37 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html venners77 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=97#comment37 Great article again Robbo.I'm an Everton fan and was gutted when Carsley left at the beginning of the summer. For me he was our player of the season the last two years running. It'll take a while to replace him.I don't think there's any real crisis though. I genuinely think we've been unlucky with our draws in Europe. We qualified for the Champions League in 2004 and drew Villareal in the qualifiers (who went on to the semis) and this time round have drawn Standard Liege who were so close to knocking out Liverpool.Liverpool fans, please don't group all Evertonians with idiots who post about Heysel and Hillsborough. These morons are a disgrace who don't speak for any Evertonians I know. Mon 06 Oct 2008 16:59:02 GMT+1 Darren http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=94#comment36 I honestly do believe that Moyes is an 'Evertonian' and really wants to succeed with them. It is clear though that the 4 big teams are just streets ahead of the rest and no other team will break into that 4 unless huge investment comes in like what's underway at Man City.I must say it is very hard to watch Everton these days, trying so hard to establish themselves again as a Top club when it just isn't there. They have always done better than the sum of their parts and this has been largely down to Moyes.Even when they finished 4th a few seasons ago and 5th last season they were way behing the teams above them and many of their victories were by the single goal.I desperately crave for Anil Ambani to buy the club. It would be the only fitting solution to a problem that has been hanging around since the late 80's.As regards to the current crop of players I totally agree that Phil Neville and Tony Hibbert are just not good enough. Both are scared of holding onto the ball and why Moyes likes them so much is beyond me!! Mon 06 Oct 2008 11:03:45 GMT+1 ajnaguy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=92#comment35 Dez, I'm afraid you're the one who has it wrong. Despite the bottom-up drafts in American sport, it's largely the wealthy owners (who have the option of paying a 'luxury tax') who blow away the salary cap yearly to ensure their teams' continued dominance. You get a feel-good story every now and then, but otherwise, it's the same-old, same-old. We had a nice run at baseball this year in Minnesota, but our owner (who we just rewarded with a new ballpark, open in 2010) won't reward the team and the fans who support them by adding the pieces necessary to contend for a championship. And this guy is a multi-billionaire banker. Sorry to be long-winded there. Agree about Cars - Everton are getting the goals, but the defense has been all over the shop. We need someone to captain the back four. Mon 06 Oct 2008 00:07:26 GMT+1 levdavidovich http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=89#comment34 CarsleyEverything's gone to pot since he left Sun 05 Oct 2008 21:58:29 GMT+1 Dez http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=86#comment33 lancyblue you are wrong when you say "You want Americanisation? You've got it." in America they have a system where the clubs who do worse get the best picks, it is becoming more like a European league where only a few clubs can win the title.anyway, moyes's everton failed to beat Newcastle ha ha, i have alway felt that Everton fans have a feeling of over importance and the experience of relegation like most football fans have had to go through would cure that. Sun 05 Oct 2008 20:52:40 GMT+1 Paul Newton http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=84#comment32 All this tripe about Everton's status reflects where the game has ended up. Nowadays, if you're not owned by a billionaire, you're stuffed as far as breaking into the top 4 is concerned. That's what greed and an American-style approach to sport have left the game and where cricket's also going, with that mickey-mouse Indian crap. I spoke at the Anarchy festival (billed as 10 days that shook the world) in London, back in '94 and predicted the demise of the game, as the sport of the working-class then; I just didn't think it would be that swift and anyone trying to defend the whole sorry picture is an ignorant, pro-capitalist fool. Football's died a death as a sport of the people, with all that that description entails and now belongs to an elite of super-rich, greedy despots. The difference between a 'wealthy club in the 50's, 60's or 70's and now, can be seen in the number of teams challenging for the title-usually 3, and the SAME 3! You want Americanisation? You've got it. I just feel so sorry for all the older fans who were there when football truly meant something to thew ordinary man and his community. R.I.P football. Sun 05 Oct 2008 10:57:09 GMT+1 smartonian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=81#comment31 by the way, under moyes everton have finished fourth, granted we didnt do well in champs league but we still got there and moyes will sign contract and stay, hes best weve had for years Sat 04 Oct 2008 12:31:08 GMT+1 kasbah http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=78#comment30 "I'm sure he could have had the England job if he'd *really* wanted it, he could have taken over at countless other big managerless clubs in recent times - but he chose Aston Villa. Why?"#7 - which jobs are you actually referring to? Seeing as man utd, arsenal and liverpool have not been managerless for a while I don't know what 'bigger' jobs you are referring to, unless you suggest MON turned down Chelsea at some point?I'm sure MON could have gone to Newcastle, Spurs, etc, but why would he want to seeing as those clubs seem to have a rotating manager policy? At Villa he has got money to spend, job security, and is able to just get on with his job (which he is doing brilliantly at) without a ridiculous amount of press intrusion. And the England job is hardly a full time job when MON is trying to build himself a career and possibly keep himself in the shop window for the United or Arsenal jobs when they eventually become available.And he has spent his time with a 'Big' club in Celtic - granted only a two horse race most seasons, but he still battled it out in the group stages of the champions league and reached the UEFA Cup final - no offence but how often do Scottish clubs manage that? Sat 04 Oct 2008 11:32:04 GMT+1 Sea_Harrier http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=76#comment29 To Whittingham_42Good points, but I think Everton's first XI is considerably superior to Bolton's when Allardyce was manager and it's a bit of a cliche to label teams outside the top 4 as comprised of 'fairly average players'; that description doesn't fit Yakubu, Arteta, Lescott, Cahill, Howard or (in Robbo's phrase) 'sicknote' Saha. Add in Phil Neville who (though admittedly unimpressive at Everton) has nearly 60 England caps and won every gong going at United and you have more than half the team that doesn't fit the criteria in question (when Neville, Jagielka and Lescott play at the back that's three England internationals in the same defence - although given England's recent form, maybe that's not much of a recommendation!).It's difficult to say at this point what side of the line Fellaini will come down on. Everton have spent £8m, £12m and £15m on an individual player in successive seasons; as such they punch way above the weight of the Boltons of this world (no disrespect to Wanderers fans). Every team has makeweights like Osman (even United; see Fletcher, Darren).In general, I would change the emphasis slightly from 'average' players to say that Moyes has traditionally been good at recruting good players on the cheap, Cahill and Arteta being great examples. The problem has been Moyes' expectations have (as Robbo rightly notes) outrun the financial reach of the club; he wants big signings for an immediate assault on the top four, which is wholly unrealistic. There may also be some mileage in the rumours that he would like to take the Celtic job should it become available; he's clearly holding a gun to the board's head by stalling on the contract.Moyes isn't a big-name manager, but the fact that this is the reason he won't get a major job is an sad statement on the game as it is today. Billionaire businessmen who on the whole know very little about football don't want a two-time LMA Manager of the Year; they want a 'big name' foreigner (see Ramos, Juande) with no track record in the UK. See just how well that's worked out at Spurs (League Cup notwithstanding). Sat 04 Oct 2008 09:45:23 GMT+1 Red_Sam_ThisYearHonest! http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=73#comment28 This post has been Removed Sat 04 Oct 2008 08:00:29 GMT+1 royalbluestuey http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=71#comment27 Point of order : I think Moyes was actually complaining about the Liege player screaming in the ref's face...getting a yellow card and then seconds later doing a cynical hack from behind on Yakubu. Fri 03 Oct 2008 22:12:07 GMT+1 redhairdontcare http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=68#comment26 Moyes isn't leaving and if you'd car to research the FACTS before you make up such a stupid article , you'd know that the reason for Everton's indifferent start to the season is the board not releasing funds in june so Moyes could get the players into the squad in time for the pre season campaign in order to bed the in and get used to the system they are required to play , not having to use league and cup games as training matches . No wonder he's looked so downcast , Kenwright and his cronies had a great opportunity to back the manager after we finished 5th in the richest league in the world so we could move forward , so what do they do , force him to sell a player in order to buy someone , far too late for him to be integrated into the team , then in order to boost numbers , shop in the NETTO of the football world , Fri 03 Oct 2008 20:09:38 GMT+1 WonderboySA http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=65#comment25 Moyes might leave i suspect because he might be waiting for a new buyer to the club and while other clubs are getting richer his is as stagnant as anything.id perhaps is waiting it out so that some club out there with money can come calling.much like mark hughes.with liverpool though im still not quite certain. Fri 03 Oct 2008 18:11:11 GMT+1 EuroPaddy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=63#comment24 Why has murdersfc comment been referred to the moderators? It wasn't that bad, just a bit of a rant by someone who obviously had too many on the way home from work. Is there a 'points of view' enthusiast out there who doesn't think his licence fee should be used to allow murdersfc to publish a misguided rant?Wise up folks - we've all seen much worse than that, particularly on this blog...\(^_^)/ Fri 03 Oct 2008 16:30:24 GMT+1 Shanksforthememory http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=60#comment23 murdersfcIt's always the sad dillussioned EFC fans (if that's what you truly are) that have to bring up Heysel and Hillsborough year after year! I'm surprised Billy Liddell or Kenny Dalglish were'nt the reason you lost in Liege - there's a lot of real sour blues out there this week - I wonder why?! probably because you've been shown to be 3rd best in a two horse race in two cups already and close to relagation fodder in the premiership. Surprised you haven't mentioned Clive Thomas yet - ha! Fri 03 Oct 2008 15:52:39 GMT+1 Scottishscouser http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=57#comment22 Murders,There is a memorial at Anfield for those that lost their lives at Anfield you sad little bitter! Fri 03 Oct 2008 15:47:38 GMT+1 Robbo Robson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=55#comment21 erm, murdersfc... Koppite, me? I'm a Boro fan... I'd get claustrophobia with all them people around me. Seems like I best not wear me shirt around you anyhow as it's pretty clear you only have to see red to turn into a raging bulls*****. Fri 03 Oct 2008 15:31:57 GMT+1 EuroPaddy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=52#comment20 murdersfc,Yours is a genuine WTF? comment. I think you've missed the last shuttle back to Uranus, or whatever planet you come from. Fri 03 Oct 2008 15:16:30 GMT+1 U13478813 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=50#comment19 This post has been Removed Fri 03 Oct 2008 14:55:18 GMT+1 Goonerview http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=47#comment18 Good blog Robbo, as always very interesting, informative, opinionated and a touch of humour!!unliike that Mihir "copy and paste from other websites and tell everyone what they already know" Bose, you actually give an opinion, - which is the whole point of a blog and I salute you for it!!yeh, Moyes may have done all he can with the Toffees and be looking for a bigger club!I think Manchester City's windfall of liquid cash and imminent arrival of a new dreamteam may have affected his moral aswell... as now Man City look like the most likely team to break into that top 4! Fri 03 Oct 2008 14:37:44 GMT+1 wozza1977 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=44#comment17 There seem to be a lot of kopites that are interested in Moyes-bashing on this blog. What's up - can't decide whether to like your owners or not this week?As for Moyes, I think he should sign his contract and get on with managing the club. He has probably reached his peak until Taggart retires from Man Utd, then he can just trot along the East Lancs and renew acquaintances with Mr Rooney! Fri 03 Oct 2008 14:31:40 GMT+1 jw2034 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=42#comment16 is it an obligation for every BBC blog to contain allusions to it being 'Liverpool's year'? they'll get 3rd, but only thanks to wenger's miserly transfer policy, and certainly not that donkey keane.moyes is waiting to see who takes over at the toon or spurs - they're still bigger clubs than everton, who havnt invested in the ground or setup and now the rooney money has run out the only way is down. Fri 03 Oct 2008 14:31:38 GMT+1 gtkovacs http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=39#comment15 "the art of moyes" - brilliant title! Fri 03 Oct 2008 13:21:52 GMT+1 Borachon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=36#comment14 This is ridiculously ignorant. Moyes stated last week that the contract was with the club and he was waiting for it to come back. It's not been sitting in his in-tray as the troublemaking Robbo would know if he read his own website. Fri 03 Oct 2008 13:00:29 GMT+1 Dan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=34#comment13 I used to respect Moyes a lot, especially for what he did to a club with limited resources. But after his interview last night, I have lost my repect completely.He blamed the referee for not sending off the Liege captain which had an effect of the overcome. To me he is trying to cover up his own mistake (losing the game by selecting wrong players, or not motivating the players). Football is about 11 playing 11. The fact is that Everton lost to Liege. Fri 03 Oct 2008 12:56:45 GMT+1 dmrichkt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=31#comment12 This post has been Removed Fri 03 Oct 2008 12:55:35 GMT+1 Brandyrecovery http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=28#comment11 #2 Leadline"I thought he should have been sent off for his reaction and then for him not to be sent off for the professional foul on Yakubu was unbelievable," Moyes added. from the BBC website. Seems Moyes is full of excuses all the time (same after Liverpool defeat last week - blaming the sending off which was irrelevant to the result)Apparently, the reason he won't sign is cos he wants guarentees over how much money he can spend. But I agree with the general consensus here, he's not a manager suited to spending big money.Thanks to Champs League and Premiership cartels (thelatter of which Everton are a part of). Money is concentrated amongst elite clubs (be it in the prem, or the Champs League). This reduces competition and the ability to catch up.So Moyes has taken Everon as far as he can - maybe a new challenge would be good for him? Fri 03 Oct 2008 12:55:10 GMT+1 footy_analysis - play beautifully - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=26#comment10 I think Moyes might have his eye on another job, maybe the Newcastle job, only because Newcastle may have better resources to build a successful team.I can't see any other reason why you wouldn't sign a £17 contract at a great club with great supporters. Fri 03 Oct 2008 12:41:46 GMT+1 Boonting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=23#comment9 he's hard-nosed, makes the most of what he's got, and doesn't take any nonsense from anyone. Hows that the exact opposite of Moe from the Simpsons?He's done well, you're always going to have a bad period at some point, it's just a question of probability. Fri 03 Oct 2008 12:36:37 GMT+1 stevenicolsleftpeg http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=21#comment8 Good article, good to see the bluenoses' suffering yet again. Although Liverpool fans held a march to the ground and protest at the american owners just three short weeks ago but apart from that enjoyable read.PS Moyes is waiting on Strachan to get pushed from Celtic.You heard it here first Fri 03 Oct 2008 12:24:21 GMT+1 Haythnasr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=18#comment7 I have to disagree with you on that point of MON not being able to succeed at a big club. I think what he did at Celtic is pretty much proof that he has and he can "make" it at a big club. Agree the Scottish League is a two horse race, but regardless, Celtic is a big club. The standard of football might not be as good as the premiership but MON has fought it out in the CL and only just lost in the UEFA Cup final to Mourinho's Porto.Going back to Moyes though, unlike MON he hasn't had the chance to move on from his "Leicester" and I think if he has real aspirations for managing a big 4 club he will need to have at least CL football on his CV. I wouldn't be surprised that 2 to 3 years down the line, we will see these two managers fighting it out for the Man U job once Red nose moves on. It will make the world of a difference if Moyes can say he's at least played in the CL.... group stages. Fri 03 Oct 2008 12:16:06 GMT+1 JJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=15#comment6 To Haythnasr... I think Martin O'Neill is actually another good example of the kind of manager who would probably not succeed at a really big club. You're right, what he did at Leicester City was very special - but look at the clubs he's managed since then. He had a huge amount of success at Celtic, but let's face it he only really had one other club in the SPL to compete with. And again, as big a club as Celtic might be, MON was never able to spend huge sums on transfers. He was also pretty lucky to inherit a player like Henrik Larsson...Throughout his managerial career he's been linked with some of the biggest jobs in the game, but for one reason or another he's never made that step up. I'm sure he could have had the England job if he'd *really* wanted it, he could have taken over at countless other big managerless clubs in recent times - but he chose Aston Villa. Why?Villa are a lot like Everton in some ways... so close to great things but never quite getting there. Perhaps that's why O'Neill chose them over all the other offers. He's a clever guy and he probably knows that he is best suited to that kind of club... the type of club that needs his motivational skills and tactical brain to perform. Maybe he would have been good for our national team... but there must have been a reason why he didn't get the job. Fri 03 Oct 2008 11:46:01 GMT+1 Haythnasr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=13#comment5 Whitingham:Fair point.... but what about MON? Remember what he did with Leicester? Look how far he went from there.I think Moyes deserves his chance and there are "big" clubs out there that aren't Liverpool, Scum, Chelski or Arsenal. Ask Bobby Robson. Fri 03 Oct 2008 11:19:55 GMT+1 Clarence Cash http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=10#comment4 I'd say his looky-likey is more Ronald McDonald!!Anyway if Everton cant beat the shambles that is newcastle united this weekend then I would be hitting that panic button faster than you can say joe kinnears a bloody graet manager Fri 03 Oct 2008 11:14:43 GMT+1 JJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=7#comment3 Moyes seems like the kind of manager who can get a lot out of fairly average players, which is why he's done so well at Everton so far. No disrespect to Everton, but it's true. It was exactly the same with Sam Allardyce at Bolton and Alan Curbishley at Charlton. They had limited resources, but they knew how to make the most of them.The moment guys like that are given a lot of money to spend or truly high-profile players to work with (Allardyce's move to Newcastle and Curbishley's big-spending time at West Ham are perfect examples), the whole thing seems to fall apart. I guess it didn't help Big Sam that he was doomed as soon as he put pen to paper... but then, that's Newcastle for you!That's why I'm so glad as a Pompey fan that Harry Redknapp didn't take the Newcastle job and wasn't hired as the England boss. Of course, he's done an absolutely incredible job for us and although he has spent a lot money, he hasn't made many bad transfers and he's bought players that fit into his style - instead of just going for big names. I'm almost certain that a move to Newcastle or becoming the England manager would have destroyed his career. I'm sure it would be the same if Moyes took a 'big' job elsewhere. He'd be totally out of his depth. I think he's perfect for a club like Everton and if I were a fan, I'd be backing him all the way.By the by, it's funny how the only blog on the whole BBC football site with anything controversial in it is written by a cartoon character... :) Fri 03 Oct 2008 11:09:39 GMT+1 Haythnasr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=5#comment2 Moyes will be at Spurs before you can say Darren Bent cost 17 million.Robbo another Excellent blog. Fri 03 Oct 2008 11:07:23 GMT+1 Leadline http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=2#comment1 Actually robbo moyes didnt say that Dafour should have gone for shouting into the ref's face he said he should have gone for the prefessional foul that he comitted 5 minutes later which would have given him a second yellow you ill advised reprobate. Fri 03 Oct 2008 11:04:08 GMT+1 Ayoade Oluwasanmi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/10/the_art_of_moyes.html?page=0#comment0 Love your blog (or is it article) as always Robbo. Though not as funny as others. I really think that Moyes should sign a new contract. Unless hes thinking of replacing Fergie, Wenger or Benitez (which is definitely not going to happen) he should be happy with what he has achieved at Everton and sign a new contract so he can hope to do more of the same. Unless of course he's looking at the Manchester City millions and he's envying the soon-to-sacked Mark Hughes. The millionaires at City are going to be looking for a big name coach to replace Hughes. So even if Moyes were to replace him, it wouldn't be for long cos Moyes is not a big name. He might be a good coach but hes not yet a big name Fri 03 Oct 2008 10:54:06 GMT+1