Comments for en-gb 30 Mon 03 Aug 2015 20:30:56 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at rosey05 brooksy ur talkin rubbish mate! its not a question of jus replacing referees like they're going out of fashion! there r not enough good referees about te replace the current refs. its not as if there r a load of other amazing refs waiting in the wings now is it. just face it refs make mistakes its part and parcel of the game for as long as there is no video evidence! ok liverpools pen against madrid was debatable but u fail to mention the stone-wall penalty we should of had 20 minutes earlier for handball and as a united fan i jus dnt kno why your complaning coz as much as fergie claims to be the major victim of the f.a and referees, united got the most refereeing decisions in their favour! i cnt c for the life of me how fergie has the cheek to bemoan his luck when 1 decision goes against him! Thu 20 Nov 2008 12:43:27 GMT+1 brooksy123 very andy gray comment there rosey05football would be talked about if referee didnt make so many mistakes.why is it only players and managers fined.i find it amazing that a player can be wrongfully sent off for 2 yellow cards and therefore that cannot be overturned but a ref can get away with anything and show up at the next game.respect campaign is flawed untill they get officials who are fit enough and smart enough to deal with situations.i mean take a team like liverpool last couple weeks got a penalty that was more like a corner and then against bolton avoid conceding cause ref bottles it Thu 20 Nov 2008 12:14:26 GMT+1 rosey05 iv got to disagree with you brooksy. i think your example of Fergie is ridiculous! he will moan if he's winning and he most certainly moans if he's losing! for me i believe with fergie its a case of if they win the team is amazing and if they lose its the ref's fault. luck evens itself out over the course of a season. the standard of refereeing may be poor in comparison to the very high standards of the league but they are only human and sometimes it is impossible for them to get all the decisions spot on. don't get me wrong i'd b the first person to slate a ref if he made a decision against my team but its a very hard job. to be honest with you the best result out of this whole respect campaign would be that after matches it is the football rather than the ref we r talking about. Thu 20 Nov 2008 12:05:35 GMT+1 brooksy123 Just want to raise the point of the respect campaign.I am all for refs getting more respect and i do believe captains should be only one allowed to approach an official. However i find it strange that the FA continue to hand out these fines to managers and dont look at the officials themselves.The premier league is meant to be the best league it has the best players and therefore this should be met with the best officials.The managers are always under pressure lose a game and they can be fired. They deal with the stick from fans and board so forgive them for being bit upset when a ball that gone out for corner given for a goal.Managers are accountable to their board but why dont the refs get the sack. most managers know the game better and they can see a decision gone wrong from further away.Take Ferguson he been there and done it all and yet Fa seem to target him most of the time. Surely he got every right to moan at poor decisions. if he made a bad move then people would moan about him Wed 19 Nov 2008 14:09:36 GMT+1 SugarDunkerton Woofa!!!!...............I had just fell asleep.... have I missed anything....???By the looks of the above post the future of football is as steady as Gomes on Ice... and the only way to salvage the game was this Blog...Some of these people on here are needing to phone the Samaritans. Wed 19 Nov 2008 08:34:22 GMT+1 EuroPaddy Jeeeeez, what on earth was going on yesterday? Was it international miserable idiots day? I've read this blog for some time and I don't remember ever seeing so many negative or bizzarre comments. Well done CC for responding to the meat and the poison.And for what it's worth (most likely not much...), I enjoyed the blog as always. Wed 19 Nov 2008 08:04:42 GMT+1 tarquin 37Don't flatter him, you find more insightful comment down the pub - at least you and Robbo know your aim and achieve it Tue 18 Nov 2008 23:08:19 GMT+1 Chris Charles 35. Coolguymanutd: As I said earlier, one man's meat etc. Sorry you didn't enjoy the blog. It's really meant to be a bit of fun - I'll leave the critical analysis to the experts like our very own Phil McNulty, who's forgotten more than I know about the really serious stuff. Tue 18 Nov 2008 22:49:04 GMT+1 collie21 Well Chris I was struck by your comment about your child, and I didn't for a moment think you were using that situation as anything other than the way you intended. I am a father too and I have my own blog...heck you can all go have a read I suppose... Tue 18 Nov 2008 20:50:04 GMT+1 coolguymanutd What an awful right-up! I don't expect this from a college student left alone a reputable BBC writer.It totally lack merit and the critical analysis which I enjoy in most blogs is absent.Can wait to see this crap out of here. Tue 18 Nov 2008 20:32:31 GMT+1 Chris Charles 30. Collie21 - Absolutely no need to apologise for anything - you weren't insulting and are perfectly entitled to your opinion. If every single person came on here saying what an amazing job I was doing I'd be rather unnerved. One man's meat is another man's poison and all that. That said, those of you that do like it, please continue to tell me - I like to be praised as much as the next person and if everyone was slagging me off I might get a little paranoid!Anyway, Collie, if I'm ever in the South of France (you lucky boy!) then I'll claim that ale off you. As for my littlun, I certainly wasn't using it to garner sympathy - she's absolutely tip-top now - just to illustrate the point that I have seen first hand what an incredible job these nurses do for no little reward. Right better go, think Markadoi84 has got my tea ready. Tue 18 Nov 2008 20:07:52 GMT+1 tarquin Salary caps are a waste of time, and I don't agree with themWhere does the money come from? TV deals and sponsorship - lots of people like football, that means there's a ton to be made off the puntersfootballers earn bucket loads for playing a sport and doing far less work than us working joes, it's natural to resent that - but if you cap them you just restrict the money they earn - the money is still in the industry, lining the owner's pockets even further, and I would much rather that money was going towards those who actually provide the entertainment than those who do absolutely nothingWhat we should really address is ticket prices, but again that is a consequence of market forces - if enough people will pay it, they'll charge it - to stop it fans would have to become very organised Tue 18 Nov 2008 18:20:29 GMT+1 collie21 yep I suffer from typing to fast and not editing my own alors? Tue 18 Nov 2008 17:53:48 GMT+1 collie21 Oh and Mr Chris Charles, next time you are in the South of France, around the Stade du Ray to watch a football match or Stade Louis 2 to watch Monaco perhaps... give me a shout and I will you a pint. I promise. Tue 18 Nov 2008 17:42:08 GMT+1 collie21 Chris, many thanks for the feedback. From my point of view, reading Robbo, and Vickery and Mr Chick Young I guess I was expecting either a more serious ( but at the same time humourous) view of the footballing/sporting week. Or, one that takes the pi*s out of the so called untouchables...for instance, last week everyone was talking about Arsenal after they beat Man United and how much Wenger was going to change the face of English football with his kids, and then they upped and lost at the weekend to Villa. I am sure a lot of fun could have been had from that. Like wise for the praise Stoke got, and then they go and get hammered, and likewise again the Blackburn Sunderland merry go around, where Keano said a Cup run would do them good, and then perhaps pulled the wool over the Guv'nors eyes, by settling for points in the league. There you go, sorry If I was insulting, and many thanks for your comments. But cripes when you talk about your kid, it does of course put it all into perspective. As for daffodil yellow? Well thank god Christmas is coming is all I can say, I will avoid any snow of that colour. Cheers mate! Tue 18 Nov 2008 17:33:41 GMT+1 footballandethics Chris Charles - BBC Sport, appreciate all you have said and thanks for the response. I'm doing all I can to make something happen. Just what that thing is, when it will happen and how it will happen remains a bit blurry, but it will happen.guess from what we both can agree on is that money is changing the way our game is played. I wish your daughter all the best too. My wife works in cancer research and only earns under 25k a year. that calcualted is less than capello earns in 2 day and what some footballers earn in one day after tax.really demands a major look into, this does. Tue 18 Nov 2008 17:02:13 GMT+1 footballandethics 26. At 4:40pm on 18 Nov 2008, markadoi84 wrote.Mate as I explained, I was a victim of all this in that I followed England at all costs, putting everything I had into them. I flew abroad, bought the shirt and revolved a large part of my life around my club and country. Such is the nature of what I do that I can't go half hearted and that saw me, yes, buy a sky sub, afterall I love most sports.Having felt I was getting a raw deal in terms of football today, I decided to re-evaluate what I was giving and look at what I was getting back. I gave my heart, money and time and we didn't even get the reward of a place at the EUROS. I paid thousands and thousands to the FA to pay McClaren. It's a complex matter with such complex dynamics but I have lost faith with football due to the drifts and transitions I went into earlier. I no longer have the passion or energy but see this as one last parting shot. check this: Tue 18 Nov 2008 16:50:24 GMT+1 Chris Charles 10, 14, 16, 20 &22: footballandethics: Finally I come to your point - a good one and well made. To be honest, I was a little surprised it appeared on this blog, which is essentially supposed to be a more offbeat look at the football world, but I'll do my best!We all know footballers and managers are getting an obscene amount of money, but you can't really blame them for taking it. The Premier League has become a multi-billion pound business and with TV companies queueing up to throw cash at it, some of the rewards are inevitably going to be passed on to those at the epicentre of the game - although I do resent paying over £500 a season to watch sub-standard Championship football.Sadly, when so much money is involved, many players become detached from reality. Yes, most probably make sizeable donations to charity, but the good old days of Jimmy Greaves getting a critical apprasial of his performance from his neighbour while leaning over the garden fence after the match are long gone.I'm no expert on wage caps but my question would be how on earth would you get the PFA to agree to it - and obscene amounts of money or not, what player is going to accept that his wage is being slashed in half for doing the same job he did the week before?My baby daughter spent several weeks in Gt Ormond St earlier this year and talking to a specialist nurse on the cardiac intensive care unit, I was horrified to discover she earned a little over £20K - that's where the real tragedy lies. Tue 18 Nov 2008 16:47:31 GMT+1 markadoi84 Footballandethics - I have one question, do you buy Sky? I haven't the time to type in my argument about this, but if you do then all your arguments are completely and utterly in vain - because you too are part of the problem. Murdoch has never had a penny of my money, literally, and so I don't contribute to the fat cats and rich players' wallets. Tue 18 Nov 2008 16:40:08 GMT+1 Bye Bye Badman Chris, can you get Football and Ethics bloke to lighten up. Exploitation has been part of the games history. Clubs enforced wage caps on players ensuring that they were some of the lowest paid "workers" around. That teams use to tie players to long contracts and hold their registration hostage (thats why Bosman ruling was introduced). Serious injury was a definite risk with all the dodgy tackles that were allowed - in particular on goal keepers.3 undisputable examples off the top of my headTake the blinkers off!!On another note. Do you think Gomes will last the season? He has surely got to be one of the most entertaining additions to the league (for non-Spurs fans) and I think it would be a shame if we lost him.. Tue 18 Nov 2008 16:29:29 GMT+1 BCChris #10A lot of what your saying is true, and the game has taken a turn mainly in the wrong direction, but its swings and roundabouts realy.The game is still just as entertaining, and yeh the morals have slightly dampened but its only ever going to get worse, and most people just accept that this is how football is nowadays. The game still does produce a lot of good role models for kids too, David Beckham being a prime one, and yeh u can say its all about money but for people like Beckham i genuinely believe if wages were p*** poor beckham would still be one of the games biggest stars. Tue 18 Nov 2008 16:27:56 GMT+1 Chris Charles 19. rubertos_08 - Don't, you're going to set me off in a minute! As I said in the blog, I do feel really sorry for the guy. It's a vicious circle, the more mistakes you make, the more it saps your confidence and vice-versa. He had glowing reports from previous club PSV Eindhoven and can't have become a bad keeper overnight, but we can only judge him on the evidence of this season when, to be brutally honest, he has been truly terrible.OK, he's made some good saves along the way, but the errors have been stacking up, culminating in the howler against Fulham. The problem was, while Tottenham were winning, they were papering over his cracks (so to speak) but lose and the knives are well and truly out. Tue 18 Nov 2008 16:26:18 GMT+1 footballandethics Chris Charles, mate what do you think about all i've said? Tue 18 Nov 2008 16:22:34 GMT+1 Chris Charles 9. Cheers kennedygr - as someone once said (who is that 'someone' by the way?) - if you can't dish it out... 12. BCChris - I thank you kind sir. You're not my Dad are you? Actually, no - unless he's bought a laptop he can use in the pub since I last saw him. 17. Bye Bye Badman - I worship at the altar of Robbo and will never be in the same class, alas, but glad just to be mentioned in the same company. He's a miserable old so-and-so but great value to go out for a pint with. Great name by the way.13. Talking of pints - yep I could murder one! Unfortunately it's not like the good old days of journalism where three-hour pub lunches were the norm. These days it's a Diet Coke and cheese sandwich at the desk. Sigh. Tue 18 Nov 2008 16:18:59 GMT+1 footballandethics The game is a business.No it is not. Football was a sport once upon a time. If you read what I wrote I talked about the drift, the scary journey football had embarked on where fans are priced out, footballers are given godlike status and we are allultimately plebs who fund their purchases of diamonds, 200mph cars and gold diggers.It used to be a sport where diving never happened, tackles could be made, common sense ruled and kids would be given a fair chance. now sadly, it isn' say exploitation has always existed in the game. rubbish. ive been here long enough to notice just how crude and violently abusive the core of our game has become. its not about your badge, history, heart and righteousness, its now about winning at all costs, making money, cheating and tricking referees, waving imaginery cards, turning your back at refs, throwing coins back, wasting Tue 18 Nov 2008 16:13:02 GMT+1 rubertos_08 i feel sorry for gomes hes obviously got some skills, hes produced some of the saves of the season, but somehow manages to forget basic functions when a easy ball comes to him. i couldnt bear to watch his reaction on motd when he conceded the first goal, he just looked like he had the persona of a little kid, im sure i could see a lip tremble Tue 18 Nov 2008 16:10:35 GMT+1 footiefan011 is anyone going to talk about football or is that just wishful thinking? Tue 18 Nov 2008 16:09:05 GMT+1 Bye Bye Badman I read this post for a bit of light hearted relief, pretty good - not quite Robbo, but interesting all the same.Then we get a 21 year old Collie sprouting bitter nonsense and footballandethics getting ridiculously worried.. What is wrong with you people, lighten up. Football has ALWAYS had issues. Players taken advantage of and not paid enough, then facing serious injury, hooliganism etc etc. At the moment fans are being exploited. The game is a business, always has been. Bring down some prices and then we are fine.And Collie, you sound just like the type of person who writes into Robbos blog and slags him off. This website has many articles that cover many topics and can be serious (Mihir) or light hearted. Find the ones that you like and stick to them Tue 18 Nov 2008 16:06:47 GMT+1 footballandethics markadoi84, as soon as I know, I will let all know. well said btw. Tue 18 Nov 2008 15:39:04 GMT+1 markadoi84 Footballandethics - I was only joking mate, you make some very good points there. However, unlike you, I feel powerless to do anything about it. In short, football is a business and in the age of advanced capitalism it was always going to happen. In the words of Adorno and Horkheimer, football is part of the 'Cultural Industries' - that is to say, culture - of which football is part of - is commodified and this process has been happening throughout the 20th Century. Let me know if there's a petition or whatever, but I chose to know about it, but try to forget and enjoy the game for what it now is. Tue 18 Nov 2008 15:36:20 GMT+1 footballandethics a pint? for the mostpart say three quid, one served with an english flag printed on the side of the glass.... five the above and understand what's happened to our game. Tue 18 Nov 2008 15:21:40 GMT+1 markadoi84 Post 10 - "anyone fancy a pint?" Tue 18 Nov 2008 15:19:29 GMT+1 BCChris Well i enjoyed this blog. 10x better than that daft blog by Mihir Bose.Glad to see Chris replying to his comments and takin a bit of stick on the chin too, whether it was justified or not. I personaly dont believe it was, Chris is by far one of the more entertaining blog writers on this site.Keep up the good work mate Tue 18 Nov 2008 15:12:57 GMT+1 Princessbonzai my god that last post... lost the will to live... Tue 18 Nov 2008 15:12:37 GMT+1 footballandethics read and contribute to this: comment by footballandethics (U13370001)posted 42 Minutes Agocomment by footballandethics (U13370001)posted 38 Minutes Agocomment by footballandethics (U13370001)posted 26 Minutes Agogone to sleep because some of the entries here defy logic and matter what you or I say, in all honesty will ever change opinion or who gets picked and listens not to the ordinary man, but to the man with knows less about honour, pride and heart and now more about profit and gain.we are nothing to our nation, and as bleak as that sounds, it be the ultimate truth.our contributions, time and passion penning our thoughts without tire here only serves as a waste of time.the FA care not of your opinion, just of your money and funding.------------------mate, to be honest, what drives us here is a fusion of boredom, dissatisfaction and annoyance with elements of the game. Particularly with the drift we are seeing now with football from a sport to fundamentally a business and profit game. Footballers have lost touch with reality and sadly, us. The transition is killing the game and further to my points, it knows not of the everyday man. We know now that our opinions go unheard, ignored and most painfully, laughed at. The FA is killing the game we grew up loving. referees though they add to the entertainment are draining the game of any logic and ethical grounding it once had.My opinions about certain players, positions, teams are all just born out of frustration and will NEVER EVER get heard. As a journalist for a national newspaper, fortunately I am given the platform to speak opinion, but that opinion is curbed, diluted and structured by those above me. I just feel sorry for the majority of users here who spend days, weeks talking about the game and have sometimes great concepts and thoughts that go wasted.I repeat, the FA cares not of you. Just as long as you fund its ridiculous pathetic wage structures. No manager in the game should be paid 68000000 pounds a year after tax in todays financial climate. there is poverty, famine and people starving, not just in 3rd world countries.i find it quite disturbing that football squads can draw such heat, passion and debate and concern and the real matters in life don't. if we were to be rewarded for our heart, fair enough, but sadly, football today is a mugs game.-----------------------spent over four and a half grand following my country over the last four years. that money goes into crapello's pocket and funnily enough, that's how much he earns every 8-9 hours smiley--------------------------if anyone here can justify why that man should earn what he earns in todays world, then i will give up from posting anymore opinions here and also quit my job as a opinion is that for that amount of money england should be winning every game and setting the footballing world alight with football that is full of style and flair and entertainment. we shouldn't have to rely upon one red card to give birth to a good scoreline.anyway, i have spent both heart, time and money following the country i love and after many years, have come to the conclusion that it really isn't worth it anymore.i can say in all honesty that the FA and football atthe highest level revolves around one thing and it isn't love for the game.-----------------------------As I said, I am one of thousands who gave everything to England and got let down completely. It only gets worse and worse. Its a raw deal being a football fan nowadays. Not qualifying for the euros was not a failure or a blip, it was near criminal. While Crapello is on near seven million pounds a year after tax, we paid McClaren near three million after tax every year to torture, hurt and dissapoint us. My father served this country and was paid near nothing. My Uncle was a war medic and lived his life in honour. You tell me what honour and heart exists today in football.Without sounding too adrift to the ethos of this forum, all I am saying is that your squad opinions, your thoughts, feelings on the game WILL GO WASTED unless we do something about the FA; who are killing our sport.Take action.----------------------------Possibly the best post i've ever read!--------------------------guys, here is seriously an opportunity to do something about this. if we really don't do this now, we will never get a chance to change our game for the better. i fear it maybe too late, but one last push.i can start a petition and use all my influence as a journalist, all the contacts i have and get that list beyond the 10,000 mark, but i need everyone's support. Just how we go about changing the FA and what we propose needs to be meticulously prepared otherwise it risks being flawed and consequentley ignored.The ethos of my proposals is wage caps and giving more back to real fans. The commercialising of the game which has seen the ordinary man miss out. Foreign ownerships fuelling the money game. Lack of homegrown players; yes I agree with Platini and Blatter on this. Tue 18 Nov 2008 14:56:23 GMT+1 kennedy The blog was... fine, but what I really liked was the authors replies to the silly comments. Keep up the good work! Tue 18 Nov 2008 14:53:57 GMT+1 markadoi84 Nice one Collie21, you even had time to do your research!! And who are you to be calling people arrogant after coming on here and criticising the writer of a light-hearted blog?! Oh I see you've justified it with the old "I'm not happy because they get paid to write this rubbish! etc etc bla bla bla" line...I think you need to find yourself a worthwhile cause to vent your anger mate. It's not supposed to be "individual creative brilliance" you plonker!As for my favourite colour, well it's daffodil yellow in spring but at this time of year it has to be the delightfully autumnal burnt orange. Let me guess, you like the colour BLACK don't you? By the way, what does the phrase "Oh are markadoi84" mean?! Are you a farmer or a pirate?Chris, we're having Collie21 for tea tonight. It tastes bitter but at least it's not tough. Oh, and sausages - I know they're your favourite. Tue 18 Nov 2008 14:42:04 GMT+1 Chris Charles 5. Afternoon again Collie - you're absolutely right, I have no problem with receiving a bit of an ear-bashing - in fact I take it nicely on the chins. As for Redknapp, right again - he seems to have crept into every blog over the past few weeks, but when you've got a ready-made character like that handed to you on a plate, it's hard to ignore him.As for taking stuff from the papers and other websites, that's kind of the point - linking to what people may have missed while trying (I know, I know) to make it reasonably humorous.I've probably been getting complacent of late, after receiving little negative feedback, but now I know you're on the case I'll try to up my game! Tue 18 Nov 2008 14:27:39 GMT+1 Chris Charles 1. Collie21: Haha - like it! That's the funniest, driest line on the whole page - never mind the fella from Scotland doing me out of a job, I reckon you could be the man to put me out on the street.2. Thanks mum - what are you doing for tea later? Tue 18 Nov 2008 14:20:22 GMT+1 collie21 Yep thought so, I had a look at your previous comments, Markadoi84. Seems like you are one looking for a job, I have never seen such blatant sucking up in my life. Who the hell rattled your cage? Your friend Chris is long enough in the tooth to put up with a bit of sarcasm or criticism and I am very sure he doesn't have any need of either you or his mam to defend him. Likewise your friend Gavin. Get over yourself you arrogant so and so. Chris... if my comment is too surly for you, let me be clear, in fact you have reviewed newspaper articles and Harry Rednapp, again. I have no problem with humour but going from Gomez to James via Celebrity get me out here, Joe Cole, the Adams family, and Robbo, doesn't leave much space for individual creative brilliance. Oh are Markadoi84, when you pay me the salary these guys get I will gladly keep a blog on anything you damn well like, so put your money where you mouth is, your favourite colour must be beige, you fawner. Tue 18 Nov 2008 14:20:19 GMT+1 dontgetmeimasnowman well said markadoi84....lighten up or jog on. Tue 18 Nov 2008 14:16:26 GMT+1 markadoi84 I forgot to ask, did you enjoy your sandwiches today? Tue 18 Nov 2008 14:03:42 GMT+1 markadoi84 Wallie21 - tell me why you have the time to post such miserable and critical posts on here? This is a light-hearted bit of fun, if you don't share the same sense of humour as Chris Charles and the many others who enjoy this blog, why not a) not come on here with your undeservedly superior attitude and b) I'd be so interested to see if you could do better - write your own and post it. My guess is that you won't do a) but instead will keep posting your unnecessary remarks week after week. As for b), well, you can't can you, you're just a bit sad and like having a go.As if you don't already, ignore the saddos Chris. I enjoyed it anyway, and no this is not your mum in disguise. Tue 18 Nov 2008 14:03:08 GMT+1 collie21 pity you are not out one already, this review is just as dire as the others Tue 18 Nov 2008 13:49:21 GMT+1