Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html en-gb 30 Thu 18 Sep 2014 14:34:49 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html ikamaskeip http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=95#comment22 So my Comment 22 is censored.I was very heavily critical of the UK 650 MPs: Hey, I wouldn't have minded being sued by an MP - let's be clear - not one of them would ever have dared put themselves up as Mr or Mrs Clean public servant, so, I reckon I was on 100% safe ground.Ah well, the BBC does have to think of its License Fee, doesn't it?I mean, BBC wouldn't want to offend the MPs that vote the extortionate sum the UK Public must compulsorily pay annually, would they?But, offending, ignoring, just simply censoring the UK License Fee paying Publics' views of those MPs, well that's a natural pastime for BBC, isn't it? Tue 24 Mar 2009 17:23:05 GMT+1 ikamaskeip http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=91#comment21 This post has been Removed Tue 24 Mar 2009 09:30:39 GMT+1 hackerjack http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=86#comment20 I would say that this episode has been typical of all governments since the early 1980s. They have been much more concerned about appearance than about reality.----I would say since the 1780's myself Tue 24 Mar 2009 09:28:28 GMT+1 hackerjack http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=82#comment19 Admission due to assault by sharp object? Unfortunately this also includes such 'knife related crime' as being stamped on by a football boot, punched by someone wearing a stoned ring, at least one case of a 5 year old stabbing her big sister with a plastic fork in a tantrum and another where someone was kicked on an ice rink.I know this because I have a friend who compiles these statistics for their hospital. With these corts of figures included, not to mention the dozens of instances of home assault with a sharp object (which tend to be charachteristic of simply hitting someone with whatever is in your hand rather than pre-meditated carrying a knife that people think of when looking at these stats) is it any wonder that we cant gain any measure of effectiveness of this policy? Tue 24 Mar 2009 09:26:56 GMT+1 expatinnetherlands http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=78#comment18 Dodgy expenses, and now deliberate deception.Ms. Smith is an embarassment to British people the world over. Sad. Mon 23 Mar 2009 17:52:44 GMT+1 WhiteEnglishProud http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=73#comment17 Its time for Jacqui Smith to fall on her own "knife". Mon 23 Mar 2009 12:34:56 GMT+1 dennisjunior1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=69#comment16 Mark:I am in completed agreement with # 1 remarks!!!(Thanks, for the recorrection in the map....)~Dennis Junior~ Mon 23 Mar 2009 03:00:29 GMT+1 newsjock http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=65#comment15 It doesn't take much to make politicians complacent, does it ? A shower of false statistics for example ?Why does the Government not go back to a focus on individual social responsibility. And where young (ie school age) children are concerned put a burden of responsibility on the parents too !Everyone seems aware of their human rights, yet to be entitled to human rights you have to fulfil the other side of the equation, accept responsibility for others and the results of your actions.Liberal thinkers and anarchists would says that this is not the case. If one of these misguided people where a doctor in an A+E Department, where only one serious patient could be dealt with at a time and two desperately critical patients were brought in simultaneously, whom would they choose to treat ? The yob who had just knifed a policeman, or the policeman who had been knifed ? Sun 22 Mar 2009 18:07:56 GMT+1 MK_Steve http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=60#comment14 Sorry, realised I was looking at the wrong colour line on the graph... but the principle remains! Sun 22 Mar 2009 16:37:42 GMT+1 MK_Steve http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=56#comment13 Mark, Looking at the graph shows another intersting point. The goverments TKAP was launched in June 2008 I believe? The totals of hospital admissions for the targetted areas steadily decline from July 2008 (just after the TKAP began) to November 2008 (where the figures end). But the exact same pattern exists for 2007 as well (I wonder if it's the same for 2006,5,4..)! Is it therefore possible that the govermnent chose to implement the scheme at the annual peak and release the numbers at the annual trough (about November by the graph!). Sat 21 Mar 2009 17:39:42 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=52#comment12 So the story is "Politician at Westminster corrupts the statistical analysis for party advantage, and is not sacked".It may be that there are other Parliaments more inefficient and corrupt than Westminster - can anyone identify them?Example - 2 MPs from Fife acquiesce in the local scam of claiming Westminster expenses for their constituency offices, while making money by sub-letting them. Henry McLeish loses his position as Scotland's First Minister (although it was entirely an offence committed during his days as a Westminster MP). Gordon Brown faces no effective challenge for exactly the same thing.And some people claim that the UK Parliament is somehow "better"? Sat 21 Mar 2009 00:40:46 GMT+1 bright-eyedwendym http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=47#comment11 What's the betting on her even mentioning it again. I think the strategy might be that if you make the misleading statement loudly enough before you have to apologise then there will be people who don't ever hear about the 'mistakes' in the original statement. Gret, isn't it? Must be the moral compass again. Fri 20 Mar 2009 14:45:56 GMT+1 HardWorkingHobbes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=43#comment10 How far does a politian have to go with manipulating, miss-representing or just falsifying statistics before it actually becomes fraud and a criminal offence? Fri 20 Mar 2009 14:38:52 GMT+1 VinChainSaw http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=39#comment9 Can't really think of anythign that Smith has got right during her tenure.Really wish she would fall on her sword and give somebody else a go. A successor could surely not be anymore dishonest or incompetent. Fri 20 Mar 2009 14:08:46 GMT+1 JL(SFC58,AFCB) http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=34#comment8 I would say that this episode has been typical of all governments since the early 1980s. They have been much more concerned about appearance than about reality. Fri 20 Mar 2009 13:13:08 GMT+1 badgercourage http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=30#comment7 #4"How to Lie with Statistics" by Darrell Huff is one of my favourite books, still relevant despite being over 50 years old, and still in print."They use statistics as a drunk uses a lamp-post, for support not illumination". Could have been written about our Jacqui. Fri 20 Mar 2009 12:34:53 GMT+1 Ernie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=26#comment6 #2Spot on. This lot don't know the meaning of the words "Sorry" or "I was wrong".More's the pity.I'm actually beginning to think that it *must* be about time for the great unwashed to start to appreciate a politician that can admit their mistakes rather than pretend they didn't happen. Here's a hint to Jaqui et al - we know you're not perfect, your constant denials, spin and whitewash aren't actually helping your image. Fri 20 Mar 2009 00:38:49 GMT+1 Economicallyliterate http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=21#comment5 Agree 100% with post 1. I will more likely see pigs flying than the MP for Redditch apologise or make a clarification in the House. Thu 19 Mar 2009 23:56:42 GMT+1 Secret Love http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=17#comment4 "ministers and their aides appear to have put short-term political gain ahead of long-term public trust."Hardly news - the snouts in trough policy continues unabted. Thu 19 Mar 2009 23:14:09 GMT+1 EdwinaTS http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=13#comment3 My 1st lesson in statistics at my polytechnic in 1972 was delivered by a former government statistician. Her whole lesson was about how to lie with statistics, and our recommended reading was How To Lie With Statistics.:D Thu 19 Mar 2009 22:16:57 GMT+1 threnodio http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=8#comment2 "Now there are those who wonder whether Jacqui Smith will go back to the House of Commons to put the record straight".The only thing Ms. Smith should be taking back to parliament is her resignation statement. Thu 19 Mar 2009 21:50:54 GMT+1 MonkeyBot 5000 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=4#comment1 They'll never admit that they were wrong - they're just not capable.The best you'll get is regrets that they didn't try hard enough to get us all to agree with them. Or disappointment that we've failed to see the genius of their plans. Thu 19 Mar 2009 20:49:30 GMT+1 badgercourage http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/03/the_wrong_impression.html?page=0#comment0 MarkThe surprise is that anyone is surprised that Jacqui Smith has been caugth "misleading" Parliament."...ministers and their aides appear to have put short-term political gain ahead of long-term public trust..."Bears also appear to have been using the woods as toilets, and the Pope is showing distict signs of Catholicism. Thu 19 Mar 2009 20:08:45 GMT+1