Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html en-gb 30 Thu 10 Jul 2014 03:31:34 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html U14714220 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=95#comment19 This post has been Removed Mon 06 Dec 2010 14:37:22 GMT+1 John Ellis http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=90#comment18 With regard to the new housing rules that are being proposed what effect will this have on an already under subscribed vocal register, will thousands of voters be lost from the list as they spend life chasing amenities etc each time they are down/upgraded on the housing market and moved from pillar to post.? Mon 22 Nov 2010 18:48:58 GMT+1 stopsupportingcriminals http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=85#comment17 12. At 10:26pm on 16 Nov 2010, freedom from state control wrote:Race is a social construct.It has no basis in scientific fact.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxNot according to the 1948 UN genocide convention:Law: GenocideArticle 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide from 1948 defines genocide as any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:(a) Killing members of the group;(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.........................racial group............................... Fri 19 Nov 2010 13:53:56 GMT+1 Phil in China http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=80#comment16 As an English guy living in China, this goes to show how different countries are around the World. In China the numbers would be something likeChinese 80,10,10, 0,0,0,0,0,0,Others 90,5,5,0,0,0,0,0,0,In China people and their families have to look after themselves, there are no Government handouts, hence their great ability to save and have strong finances. Maybe that is why China has so few "others" living here. Thu 18 Nov 2010 02:41:21 GMT+1 Mikebloke http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=75#comment15 As some other users have already stated, the use of race as a classification has its issues, but the report doesn't even put them into sensible categories. Why, for example, are Pakistani's and Bengali's placed in the same category away from India despite their obvious cultural and economic differences? Why is Chinese always lumbered with other denominations when they are recognised by the average Joe as a distinct group, why is "White" grouped in one when there is White British, White Irish, White European etc?And I can emphasise with Megan's friend as I will be in the same boat, I can already imagine my children's identity being questioned and my White heritage as a parent being sidelined in favour of them being "Asian" simply based on people's passive racism when they see someone's skin colour. Thu 18 Nov 2010 02:30:13 GMT+1 AJS http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=70#comment14 I still think the starkest division is not between different ethnic groups, nor between the sexes, but between rich and poor.In other words, a poor white boy has more in common with a poor black boy, or a poor white girl, than with a rich white boy. Wed 17 Nov 2010 15:30:20 GMT+1 cool_brush_work http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=65#comment13 freedom from state control & #12"Race is a social construct. It has no basis in scientific fact."Your lofty ideals may well be right, but what is the point of pretending that 'race' is not a fundamental aspect of any consideration of the issues surrounding population assessment?In this era if we ignore the term 'race' we may as well all join Tinkerbell and boy who never grew up! Wed 17 Nov 2010 14:34:33 GMT+1 DibbySpot http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=60#comment12 This is fascinating the light of the proposed reduction in benefit. It also support the issue that low incomes also drive benefit need. Many Bangladeshis have low level jobs with fewer working women as a result they probably qualify for a higher benefit take.The real issue is that if an employer has to employ someone will they take a former benefit claimant or an Eastern European from the EU? If the not the benefit claimant how do they get the money they need once it is not available from the state? Wed 17 Nov 2010 12:38:26 GMT+1 freedom from state control http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=55#comment11 Race is a social construct. It has no basis in scientific fact. We may as well fill in these forms stating what type of a fairy we are. They don't exist either. My view would be to ignore the forms completely. Tue 16 Nov 2010 22:26:00 GMT+1 clamdip lobster claws http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=50#comment10 General Jack Ripper,You raise an excellent point which passed over my head. I was referring to modern day citizens who have had their educational, social and healthcare services ripped from under their feet to be given out freely to illegals as a way to bankrupt a country so that the Mafia, Fascist, Corporate, state can gain complete control over the populace. This seems to have occurred in Britain and now the United States. How have the lives of citizens improved by allowing this to occur? People are worse off than before. We're heeaded towards serfdom. But you are right about Native American's indigenous population. Sun 14 Nov 2010 17:48:41 GMT+1 Megan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=45#comment9 Has any research been done into the correctness of racial classifications?I had a student of Pakistani heritage, born and bred in this country, who refused to put anything but 'British' on any form, as that is what he - in their quaint wording - 'considered himself to be' - his attitudes, passport, upbringing, accent were all British.On the other hand, I search in vain for a box 'human' as that is my race. If the option is given to decline the information I do so, else leave it blank or tick 'other' - I believe that such classifications serve only to perpetuate racism not eliminate it!A friend - a white-skinned British lady - has married a gentleman of Pakistani heritage with the expected results in their children - their appearance takes after their father, compunded by the choice to give them traditional Pakistani names. Every time she puts them down as 'mixed race' someone tries to correct it to 'Pakistani' which they are not. So she's joined me in refusing the information at all. Sun 14 Nov 2010 15:46:47 GMT+1 jr4412 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=40#comment8 General_Jack_Ripper #8."..I'm struggling to find any similarity between their situation and the one that the citizens of the United Kingdom find themselves in."both find their respective political classes unwilling to represent their views/demands? Sat 13 Nov 2010 19:23:27 GMT+1 General_Jack_Ripper http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=35#comment7 clamdip lobster claws wrote:Where citizens are treated as second class citizens in their own country. It's like that in America too.I agree, the way that First Nation Americans have been treated by the United States government is absolutely disgusting. Although I'm struggling to find any similarity between their situation and the one that the citizens of the United Kingdom find themselves in. Sat 13 Nov 2010 18:43:57 GMT+1 clamdip lobster claws http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=30#comment6 No, I think Mark is talking about rampant abuse and fraud in the system. Where citizens aren't skilled at gaming the system. Where citizens are treated as second class citizens in their own country. It's like that in America too. Blams it on George Soros and his meglomaniacal fake socialist aspirations. Sat 13 Nov 2010 16:26:11 GMT+1 General_Jack_Ripper http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=25#comment5 @ stanilicGood post !*****Is there a possibility that the higher rate of state income for Pakistani's has anything to do with the very high rates of disabilities within that group ?Recent figures have suggested that British Pakistani children make up over a third of all birth defects for British born children even though they only make up a small percentage of our population. If this is the case then the parents of all of those children will be receiving some form of additional disability or carers benefits and this would account for at least some of the differences in the levels of state income for that group.There's also the fact that first & second generation immigrants tend to have more children than the average British family and would therefore be receiving more child benefits because of this. Fri 12 Nov 2010 14:21:25 GMT+1 GeoffWard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=20#comment4 I recommend Stanilic posting @ #2.The Mark Easton intro. is in need of reading IN CONJUNCTION with Stanilic's supplement.Mark is obviously aware of the weakness of his posting without all the provisos - Stanilic gives us the handle to develop discussion on these provisos. Fri 12 Nov 2010 11:20:30 GMT+1 jon112dk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=15#comment3 Sorry Mark, but this is misleading.You do make a brief comment at the end but this sort of data needs to be clearly stratified by age.Obviously the great majority of immigrants are young, with the potential to be economically active. The white/british population is well reported as being an ageing population with a substantial proportion retired (14% on pensions in your figures). Fri 12 Nov 2010 10:31:39 GMT+1 watriler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=10#comment2 In 1 I am referring to pension income. Apologies for any confusion. Once posted there is no editing available to the originator. Fri 12 Nov 2010 10:20:58 GMT+1 stanilic http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=5#comment1 Why is it that the category `white' is not broken down into the same details as the others? It is the very inadequacy of the word `white' which irritates.Also why are people of Chinese origin mixed in with `others'. I have lived in this country for over sixty two years and have never found a Chinese person who has not been very busy at work and well respected as a consequence. So what does the `others' mean.Also having remarked on the massive difference between people of Indian and Pakistani/Bangladeshi origin you then conflate the two into an employment average that is higher than the `white' average.Anyone with eyes can see that there is a marked difference between the success of the Indian immigrant community and the Pakistani? This should be exercising us all given the current international political situation. Lastly what this survey does not reveal is that a lot of the economic grief of the Pakistani community derives from the fact that this community was imported in the Fifties to be low waged workers in the then failing textile industry in the industrial north, so is not focussed so much in the more prosperous south-east of the country and was already poor when the community was introduced into the country.I do feel that when this type of data is published it is given a suitable context as it can be open to misinterpretation, deliberate or not. Fri 12 Nov 2010 09:24:22 GMT+1 watriler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html?page=0#comment0 The age dimension to the distribution of income is strongly reflected in the 14% whites receive as proportion of income way above that received by the next group - black Caribbean at 7%. Another interesting dimension of analysis would be social class and region and this may tell us more about modern Britain than the ethnic breakdown. Definitely more interesting than popular names for children. Fri 12 Nov 2010 08:49:56 GMT+1