Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/paulinemclean/2011/01/gang_show.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/paulinemclean/2011/01/gang_show.html en-gb 30 Thu 24 Jul 2014 14:18:29 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/paulinemclean/2011/01/gang_show.html brian watters http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/paulinemclean/2011/01/gang_show.html?page=66#comment2 As far as I was aware it derived from Ned Kelly. Wed 19 Jan 2011 12:17:53 GMT+1 Bobelix http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/paulinemclean/2011/01/gang_show.html?page=33#comment1 The most probable derivation is from a contraction of ne'er-do-well - the term was in common use in my childhood in the 50s and I'm pretty sure it had been around for some time by then. I agree that "Numpties" would probably have gotten the point across a bit better. Most Neds seem to revel in any cinematic or TV depiction of themselves. I've heard them on buses laughing about their brethren on "Still Game", totally unable to take the point that the programme is ripping the p**s out of them. At least "Numpties" would make it clear that they're not objects of admiration. Wed 19 Jan 2011 02:00:46 GMT+1 Cream-of-the-Barley http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/paulinemclean/2011/01/gang_show.html?page=0#comment0 Does anyone know when the earliest use of the word Ned was in print or otherwise? Some say a 70's STV crime show used it, others say it's from a gang of Irish delinquents who ran riot in 19th C. London. I suspect the acronym of Non-Educated Delinquent has been retro-fitted because who uses the words; Non-Educated? Uneducated surely. I've got a Scottish joke book published by Wolfe in 1968 that uses the word Neds to describe thugs in Glasgow. Can anyone beat this? I'm sure Peter's film doesn't intend to glamourise violence but adrenaline fuelled films about gangs have sometimes in the past inspired just the sort of behaviour that they purport to be portraying as tragic, circumstantial, downward spirals.A Clockwork Orange or The Warriors anyone? I wish he'd called it Numpties instead. I suspect the cinema cleaners will have more than a few Buckie bottles to tidy away. On a positive note though, if the 1970's setting gets present day Neds out of trying their best to emulate Jimmy Saville's look; trackies, trainers, sovvys and medalions it'll be a good thing. At least we might now have some real accents other than the usual one adopted by the Scottish Youth Theatre. Good luck Peter. Tue 18 Jan 2011 19:46:38 GMT+1