Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/goodison_finally_steps_out_of.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/goodison_finally_steps_out_of.html en-gb 30 Mon 14 Jul 2014 08:33:06 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/goodison_finally_steps_out_of.html agh_blog http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/goodison_finally_steps_out_of.html?page=83#comment5 Team GB wouldn't have bothered protesting the Danish as they would have known it was pointless. No doubt the Danish notified the race committee about the change and thus were granted dispensation to sail without the correct markings on the sail. Any subsequent protest would have been disregarded by any jury.And I don't see how that issue compares to Goodison using the rules (and his skill) to his advantage above the rules and completely removed from any protest incidents.Plus, the 'rule' about sportsmanship and fair play is not unwritten in sailing it's a basic principle of the sport - see ISAF racing rules:BASIC PRINCIPLESPORTSMANSHIP AND THE RULESCompetitors in the sport of sailing are governed by a body of rules that they are expected to follow and enforce. A fundamental principle of sportsmanship is that when competitors break a rule they will promptly take a penalty, which may be to retire.FUNDAMENTAL RULE 2FAIR SAILINGA boat and her owner shall compete in compliance with recognized principles of sportsmanship and fair play. A boat may be penalized under this rule only if it is clearly established that these principles have been violated. A disqualification under this rule shall not be excluded from the boat’s series score.Interesting there was no protest from the Swedish team on these grounds. Thu 28 Aug 2008 13:04:58 GMT+1 Shambles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/goodison_finally_steps_out_of.html?page=66#comment4 pity the writer is a trainee.. amazing to write the whole article without mentioning that goodison was sailing in the Laser class.seems pretty fundamental to me ! Thu 21 Aug 2008 09:41:15 GMT+1 xylosian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/goodison_finally_steps_out_of.html?page=50#comment3 There is an underlying 'rule' in all sports to play fair and most people know what that means without the need for hundreds of rules to explain what is sporting behaviour and what is not.Did you see the 49er medal race? What a race that was. The Danish team borrowed the Croation boat and eventually salvaged their gold. But the rules say that their sail should identify who they are by the markings on it and should have a yellow disc to show they are race leader. They had none of those but nobody protested. Why not? It would have been bad sportsmanship to do so in my view and team GB was out of the medals.One can't help wondering if team GB had been in contention whether their win-at-all-costs culture would have allowed them to keep quiet.Don't get me wrong, I do not really blame Goodison, he seemed a bit embarrased about it. I think it probably comes down from the coaches and management Thu 21 Aug 2008 00:09:14 GMT+1 hyperlasersailor http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/goodison_finally_steps_out_of.html?page=33#comment2 To me, Paul's use of the rules in the medal race was no different to a defender in Football deliberately moving forward so an attacker becomes offside, or even the "unsportsmanlike" way that goalkeepers use their hands when no-one else on the pitch is allowed to do so.Is the goalkeeper supposed to assess every time a forward comes near whether it's "sporting" this time to only use his feet? I don't think so.But in case you think it's easy to match race an opponent away from a startline like Paul did I can assure you it isn't - it's quite easy to stop yourself and watch your foe sail off up the racetrack!You can't blaim the athlete for the rules of the game! Wed 20 Aug 2008 12:44:36 GMT+1 agh_blog http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/goodison_finally_steps_out_of.html?page=16#comment1 Correct, this is sport, so a win at all costs attitude is entirely the correct one - providing it’s within the laws of the game. Goodison played the game and legally. Sailing the Swedish guy to the back of the fleet and burying him in the pack was, in my view, completely the right thing to do.Think back to Ainslie v Scheidt in Atlanta. Ainslie was the only one who could stop the Brazilian winning gold and so a bit of pre-start match racing sailed Ainslie out of contention. And how much did Ainslie learn from this? Well he did exactly the same thing to Scheidt himself in Sydney to win gold.The Swedish may be fuming but they should be annoyed that their guy allowed Goodison to control him pre-start.It’s a tactic that has gone on for years and should rightly continue in the future. It's not ruthlesness, just a desire to be at the pinnacle of his sport which I applaud. Wed 20 Aug 2008 12:21:10 GMT+1 xylosian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/goodison_finally_steps_out_of.html?page=0#comment0 If you admire utter ruthlessness then I supose that this was good. I have sailed competitively and this is a side of sailing that I find very distasteful. The chances of Goodison coming last and the Swede Myrgren first in the medal race was so minute that there is no way, in my view, that he was justified in ruining Myrgren's chance of holding onto his silver medal.Richard Symmonds justifies it of course but then he is steeped in this culture of win at all costs. This is sport for goodness sake. Symmonds implies that the whole world of sailing would consider that these tactics were 'entirely above board'. How come then that the Swedish camp were 'fuming'? Wed 20 Aug 2008 11:20:57 GMT+1