Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html en-gb 30 Thu 21 Aug 2014 11:29:08 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html sealahdee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=96#comment29 If your mother's soup doesn't taste nice, will you stand on the street to broadcast it?The answer is NO. We may have our differences as African nations, but no matter what they are, whenever we meet on the world stage, we're brothers and sisters united in one course (Victory). Brothers don't fight themselves in public, only in the privacy of their home. That doesn't mean that they don't fight at all.Nigeria recently handed over Bakasi to Cameroun, Many of us (Nigerians) are very sad about it and will want to consider Cameroun as a rival, but in the Olympics, we supported Cameroun and watched all their matches.This is the African Spirit. Wed 20 Aug 2008 09:02:45 GMT+1 onithor http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=93#comment28 African solidarity? I suppose you would feel attracted to people with a similar background as yours if you were to meet them in diaspora as is how most Africans meet. But I think that this brotherhood is just as shallow as any relationship based on the tenuous grounds. African solidarity is a myth which the natives back home don't share and if they express it only in the most self-serving manner possible. The bonds between Africans is stronger outside of the continent than in it. I agree to a certain extent that Africans feel a certain unity but not in Africa. Just ask the Biafrans, Yorubas, Igbos, Hausas, or the blacks of South Africa towards their black "brothers" from neighboring countries. It doesn't take long before each ethnic group starts qualifying the "otherness" of the others as oppose to them. I often think that the term african unity is devised by people unable to take in the sheer complexity of how diverse Africa is. If you've heard of unquestioned whiteness well the same principle applies to unquestioned africanness. Tue 19 Aug 2008 09:50:14 GMT+1 clearpoint http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=90#comment27 Well, as a Nigerian i have always grown up to knowing sport in Africa as a Unification factor of living because no matter where you and I come from as far as you are a black man you are an african no doubt. In the world also, sport is the most effective way to uniting the world not minding your background, social class and achievements in life, Sports can still pull strings among individuals in the sense that you find players of different race and continent playing together as a team, clubs and organizations.Africa as a continent cherish themselves not minding the geographical location wether west, south, north or east, we all accept ourselves as ONE without difference in complexion or Skin color. we do not wait until our country paticipate in an event before we cheer them up, we in Africa cheer our co-african countries when ever they are performing well, and tend to feel pity when they are having problems or performing below average. In Africa, Sports comes first before any other thing because we believ that we are all from same origin as africans and i can bet you that if an african runs shot of shelter not minding the country or place and african still offers assistance without having to think it through as other continents do think too much on security forgeting that it is only God that protects and guides.I really appreciate your efforts to bringing up this issue as a discussion.I believe in the African spirit of Unity because it efficacy as created so much impact in the past and will in the nearest future Mon 18 Aug 2008 18:24:58 GMT+1 ChinaExpert7 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=86#comment26 African unite against Communist Chinese racism!!!!!! According to an artical in the South China Morning Post (17 July) the Public Security issued orders to bar in Beijing's SunLiTum district not to serve blacks!!!!!! Mon 18 Aug 2008 09:50:13 GMT+1 Wairimu Kuria http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=83#comment25 African brotherhood is alive and well and has little to do with race. When white South Africans or Kirsty Coventry of Zim is swimming, I'm cheering my lungs out. Last night I was gleeful watching Oussama Mellouli winning gold for Tunisia and of course as a Kenyan, our darling Jason Dunford (quite white) was pure magic to watch. All that metters is that they are African.On the other hand, I rarely support an African that has defected to the another country for money. So yes, African solidarity is very much alive, and it's not just an issue of race. To say so is to greatly underestimate Africans and apparently speaks to what some think of us as backward, tribalistic, racist beings. Mon 18 Aug 2008 04:29:30 GMT+1 daveinzambia http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=80#comment24 I am a European (british) who has lived in Africa (Zambia) and Australia.I definately found this to be true. When living in Zambia and watching the world cup Zambians were confused when myself and an english friend were celebrating Senegal beating francethey were happy as an African country had won (and obviously Zambian was not there) but they thought that we would be sad because a European country had lost.we explained that firstly we liked to support the underdog, and that English people are strange and love to hate successful teams and secondly we have so much history against european teams that we find it hard to support them.I definitely found that Africans would love to support anyone from Africa and have never seen that in Europe. Mon 18 Aug 2008 00:17:44 GMT+1 bigli http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=76#comment23 My appologies, Dustybin80 not Dustbin80's, sorry mate Sun 17 Aug 2008 21:35:38 GMT+1 bigli http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=73#comment22 8. At 8:18pm on 16 Aug 2008, northy wrote:"The comment by Northy demonstrates why I'd never support a Scottish side."Nobody cares.--------------------------------------------------Come on northy, this is supposed to be a debate, you really should be coming back at Dustbin80's argument with something a bit better than that Sun 17 Aug 2008 21:34:20 GMT+1 Robin_He http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=70#comment21 As a Chinese, I totally agree with you. When I was studying in the UK, my African classmates were always together! I'm not saying that these classmates were not friendly to other non-African people, just the opposite! The thing is they were really to some extent 'united', it's good feeling to me! People in China will only support Chinese athletes when we are involved in the competition. When there is no Chinese competitor, most of the Chinese people will support the nations who have good relationships with us,haha,for example like Parkistan,North Korea, Cuba, Tanzania,Mozambique,Serbia,Russia,etc. In other situations, people will choose the countries they believe "in trouble", like Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., because people have sympathy towards them, it's kind of human nature in my opinion. But for those countries Chinese people consider as rivals, for instance like Japan,India and "unfriendly" countries like USA,France,Britain, people will always oppose them. So, it's very different story from the "African Brothers". At the same time, I guess that it is the same situation for most of the Asian countries. But I have to say, this kind of situation is changing because of this time Beijing Olympic Games. People here are more enjoying the sports rather than too much ideaology. It takes time, anyway. Sun 17 Aug 2008 19:58:03 GMT+1 ckarid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=66#comment20 Brillaking,The preceding writers/contributors never specified the limit to their support for African countries participating in sports competitions. They consistently talked about AFRICA. Not any specific part of Africa...sub- or north- (or "Arab") Africa as you have chosen to construe it and further introducing the word "race" into the debate. The sooner people like you stopped turning every debate into a racial one at the slightest inkling the better for the rest of the world. As far as I am aware, the African solidarity transcends boundaries, colour, creed, religious/tribal affiliations, etc. whenever the continent is involved in global competitions. Typical examples are Nigeria and Cameroun winning gold in Olympic football. The euphoria/pride/excitement these generated could be felt across the entire continent. You may understand this if you were AFRICAN (not a black person born/raised outside Africa)And for the other commentators, the idea of an "African Solidarity" in sports competitions does not suggest the absence of rife/quarrels among Africans.So, just enjoy the games and stop looking for holes where none exists. Sun 17 Aug 2008 14:45:14 GMT+1 nanaloa2001 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=63#comment19 To brillaking and others saying Africans cant live with at peace,well check out your history well and you'll find out that most wars in Africa are caused by the actions or inactions of these Whites.I'm Ghanaian but generally tend to support Nigeria when Ghana is not involved,West African Countries,Africa,GB and whoever in that order.Then again,I rooted for Phelps,Bolt and Nadal.Did I support them because they are black?No,I do support them because tgey have tremendous talent. Sun 17 Aug 2008 12:31:11 GMT+1 tym_tym http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=60#comment18 Hi,I'm reading the comments from Africans here and again I get the impression that no matter how fractured the Black Continent is some will still say it is united:)Unity is not really about calling someone brother rather than Mr. Smith.Just the fact there there is so much talk about unity in Africa shows there is a problem. Also you just cannot ignore that there are so many songs asking for unity.Africa like any other continent is sometimes united sometimes not. Let's not create myths.And "lack of solidarity between European nations" is a comment just out of space.I don't even need a passport to travel more than half of the Europe. Try this on any other continent.PeaceTym(from Poland living in the UK) Sun 17 Aug 2008 12:07:17 GMT+1 MIXtheZyder http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=56#comment17 After team GB, the only one's i support are the Commonwealth nation's. deffinatly not the European's!.......... Sun 17 Aug 2008 07:16:01 GMT+1 mxb160 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=53#comment16 I think perhaps there is a lack of solidarity between European nations because simply Europe is much more successful. Each nation can celebrate its own medal haul whereas in Africa, there just isn't as much success for many reasons, so when there are victories, its much more special to African people.I personally prefer the Commonwealth nations to succeed if there isn't British success as it can only help the health of the Commonwealth Games, which I'm delighted will be in Scotland in 2014. Sun 17 Aug 2008 06:50:54 GMT+1 zimbobJen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=50#comment15 As a Zimbabwean I am so proud of Kirsty Coventry for winning 4 medals in these Olympic Games. She has given Zimbabweans every where something to smile about during the bleakest time in our nation's history. She has given us hope. Sun 17 Aug 2008 03:32:32 GMT+1 tulu15 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=46#comment14 To brillaking, The North africans themselves, don't consider , themselves real africans, to them is so unfortunate they where they are, am so sure they would prefer and give their right eye to be in the middle east. Sun 17 Aug 2008 00:54:42 GMT+1 U9563463 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=43#comment13 Nothing wrong with an 'african brotherhood' but I can't really fathom how you say your all so close yet we all see on TV (like other parts of the world) there are many wars, interacial violece(between different ethnic groups) christian africans against islamic africans... you guys seem to be living with a false sense of reality.If I claimed there was a 'european brotherhood'it would be pointed out that Georgia and Russia can't get on. Most of Africa does not seem to get on. Sat 16 Aug 2008 22:11:17 GMT+1 EnglandsPete http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=40#comment12 I wonder if a traditional scarcity of medals has helped the African Brotherhood to bond? Also surely seeing an athlete getting one over the old western "imperalists" is a pleasure all Africans can share?As for cheering for other Europeans at the games I'd be happy to see a European win gold in a long distance race. Then again I'd be pleased to see an African win Equestrian...Conclusion - something to do with underdogs and the spectacle of sport? Sat 16 Aug 2008 20:53:02 GMT+1 gerrymob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=36#comment11 I don't get it.If an African wins a gold medal every country in Africa accepts it as theirs and celebrates. Great.So why cannot they live together. One African country with two tribes. Absolute chaos and sometimes genocide. Dare I mention Rwanda. The whole continent is the same. There are hardly any African countries at peace with themselves. There are similarities in UK. GB wins a medal but each country in UK claims it as their own. Togetherness in Africa. See what happens when the Olympic games are over. Sat 16 Aug 2008 20:41:33 GMT+1 southwestlondon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=33#comment10 To northy,Do so you'd be happy for Chris Hoy to be denied the use of the Manchester velodrome where he trains? Or David Florence the use of the NATIONAL Water Sports Centre in Nottingham? Of course some of the funding for these facilities comes from Scotland, via taxes and the national lottery, but most of it doesn't. Do you think Scotland is more or less likely to produce gold-winning athletes if they are useing solely Scottish facilities, or British facilities? And it's already been pointed out that Hoy's first gold medal was won with two fellow Britons who aren't Scottish. There is a strong logical argument for a GB team when it comes to forming teams for events like the team sprint and for producing athletes in specialist events that require particular facilities. Clearly your viewpoint isn't logical, but emotional. Each to their own, but Chris Hoy didn't seem to have much of an aversion to the Union flag when he wrapped himself in one after he won gold, or when he was welling up while seeing it hoisted to the sound of God Save The Queen. In my experience nothing rankles with Scottish nationalists more than a proud Scot who is also proud to be British. Maybe that's why it didn't 'do it' for you? Sat 16 Aug 2008 20:05:19 GMT+1 GunnersJujuman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=30#comment9 Yap! There is great African brotherhood anywhere we Africans are competing against the world. Also Africans are generally gregarious, so everyone from the continent (or any black for that matter) is a brother. The word 'brother' has a different meaning for Africans, simply put. I am in Glasgow, Scotland, but I don't pass any black person on the street without a nod of the head at the very least, which is almost always reciprocated. It's in the blood and we can't help it even when we try hard to be snobbish.Most importantly, Africans like making friends and the next person is your friend until he proves otherwise. Sat 16 Aug 2008 19:48:19 GMT+1 brandonskyblue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=26#comment8 i think the correspondant doesn't understand the rivalry factor. i can't think of any supporter of a team wishing their rival team would win a game. a yankee fan hoping that the mets would win. a barca fan hoping that real would win the championa league. It just doesn't happen. a kiwi hoping that an aussie wins. i just saw a flock of pigs flying overhead Sat 16 Aug 2008 19:31:25 GMT+1 northy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=23#comment7 "The comment by Northy demonstrates why I'd never support a Scottish side."Nobody cares. Sat 16 Aug 2008 19:18:42 GMT+1 dustybin80 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=20#comment6 The comment by Northy demonstrates why I'd never support a Scottish side. Chris Hoy I seem to remember won one of his golds in a team of British athletes not a purely Scottish team. It seems an exclusively Scots condition to try and divide the medal's into theirs and ours. I'm sure that the Scots, English and Welsh athletes are proud to represent their own country most of the time and I don't feel it hurts for us to unite once every four years. Although personally I'd have no problem with Chris Hoy having Flower of Scotland and the cross of saint Andrew run up a flag pole if that's what he wants.Although I don't feel any sense of brotherhood with my fellow Europeans. I do find myself supporting anyone who might break the monotonous domination of Australia and the USA in the pool. Sat 16 Aug 2008 18:55:17 GMT+1 northy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=16#comment5 I'll happily cheer on the rest of the countries from the British Isles when Scotland finally gets its independence. Watching Chris Hoy or David Florence with a Union Flag around him with God Save the Queen playing in the background doesn't really do it for me I'm afraid. Sorry. Sat 16 Aug 2008 18:09:02 GMT+1 brillaking http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=13#comment4 I agree with the other african guys who posted their opinion above. But I am not sure whether it is something to be proud of or ashamed of. Many people including myself support African players and/or teams regardless of their ability, quality or style. We just support them because they are africans "brothers and sisters"?!...I always wonder why we don't consider people from other continents and other races as our brothers. To your surprise many sub-saharan ( black) africans don't enthusiatically support teams from Northern Africa ( Arabs) . So this tells me that, we support the teams based on the skin of their colors, their geographical and cultural proximity to us. Whether you call it "continental solidarity" or "narrow minded tribalism" I think, it is not something to be proud of. It is these categorical thinking in the forms of tribalism, religious fantism, racism that have been holding back people from all corners of the world from reaching to the highest in them...from achieving Peace, prosperity, civilization. Sat 16 Aug 2008 17:45:31 GMT+1 tulu15 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=10#comment3 I equally agree totally with Augustine too, am a Nigerian, but I will naturally support other Africans, doesn't matter from which part of the continent. Africa is like a Mother that has many children, so it just natural to feel love, loyalty and sense of brotherhood to your other siblings. It is diffcult to explain to non Africans, you have to be an African to understand and feel it, can't compare with europeans, they can't give what they don't have. Sat 16 Aug 2008 16:53:19 GMT+1 salamsm http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=6#comment2 You are right, As an African myself, anytime i meet Africans, there is always that mutual feeling of brotherhood. When watching soccer or other sports where African teams are involved in them, i always support the African teams. That is one of the great qualities that we Africans possess which makes me proud to be an African. Sat 16 Aug 2008 16:41:32 GMT+1 AmitJM http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=3#comment1 I totally agree with Augustine, I was born in Lagos, Nigeria, but grew up in England, where there isn't even the same brotherhood feeling amongst the english, scots, welsh and irish. I think it has to do with history; warfare over the century. The same goes for Europe. Sat 16 Aug 2008 15:45:51 GMT+1 BROAUGUR http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/africa_united.html?page=0#comment0 There is no question about the continental solidarity in Africa. Africans respect nationality but there is concentric approach to the broader continental solidarity. For example in a competition where Ghana is involved, I expect victory for Ghana. Failing that I expect the winner to come from West Africa and then from the continent in a world competition.This is evidenced in African way of expressing relationship. Anywhere in the world that Africans meet they express themselves 'my brother' or 'sister' to indicate sense of belonging. Europeans hardly say this. The best they go is to say my friend.The African continent is referred to as 'Mother Africa'. For this sociological reason, we Africans belong to one family and consequently have that spiritual bond.Augustine Yeboah (Czech Republic) Sat 16 Aug 2008 15:34:55 GMT+1