Comments for en-gb 30 Thu 28 May 2015 12:07:33 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at british-ish To the "kitchen cabinet":I thought this wasn't working, since the last two posts seemed to vanish and I had a message teling me I had to wait 30 seconds before posting. However, they did show up, so maybe the kitchen can carry on.But, will those two boys please stop playing with it? We were getting along very nicely here (at least until TT found where we were hiding) and I don't really want to wait until the Islam/Nazi/WW2 stuff runs out in the other thread, or until Somalia runs dry. Tue 14 Apr 2009 23:54:59 GMT+1 british-ish Not again! Tue 14 Apr 2009 21:54:54 GMT+1 british-ish Oh dear oh dear. Not again! Tue 14 Apr 2009 21:54:22 GMT+1 Simon21 354. At 10:54am on 14 Apr 2009, TrueToo wrote: 330. Simon21 wrote: You genuinely do think people are bothered about what you think. Plenty are, you included. Otherwise why respond to the points I make? And of course there are others who appreciate the points I make, as I appreciate theirs."But I do not whine about others disagreeing with me.And you do not make any points, you cannot defend oppression anymore than you can defend Islamophobia or rascismThat is why you know you lose any argument on the subject and why you are constantly complaining. Tue 14 Apr 2009 19:17:34 GMT+1 happylaze referred to the MODsso someone has a problem with people actually arguing with them.Some say others are stifled yet they actually go one step further and refer till it's too late peoples comments. saying they are so sensitive to criticism that they do not want to see it. hardly upholding an argument. Tue 14 Apr 2009 18:35:29 GMT+1 happylaze wow so he is allowed to lie but no one is allowed to defend against it. strange BBC MOD. "self-closing bold": (or <b /> if that doesn't show up right) Tue 14 Apr 2009 18:33:12 GMT+1 happylaze This post has been Removed Tue 14 Apr 2009 17:13:59 GMT+1 happylaze I am suspecting that you were the Best Hide and seek hider at your school.Never found . not once in all the 6 months you spent there. Tue 14 Apr 2009 16:57:05 GMT+1 happylaze This post has been Removed Tue 14 Apr 2009 16:56:52 GMT+1 happylaze This post has been Removed Tue 14 Apr 2009 16:55:38 GMT+1 happylaze seems to me by TT measures it would be right to say " all circumcised people have a desire to destroy the planet" because the most violence is seen from those countries with high circumcision rates.Who circumcises? Muslims , Jews and AmericansMy point of the other thread is proven. We are all to suffer because they did as kids.the procedure makes men angry. Look at the proof;) Tue 14 Apr 2009 16:15:13 GMT+1 happylaze This post has been Removed Tue 14 Apr 2009 16:14:41 GMT+1 happylaze 354 Tosh Tue 14 Apr 2009 16:06:27 GMT+1 happylaze 357 Tosh Tue 14 Apr 2009 16:06:01 GMT+1 happylaze it seems that Bere sean and time are having problems posting. s I will post for themlol ;)" Truely wrong bugger off"no seriously Tue 14 Apr 2009 15:47:52 GMT+1 happylaze This post has been Removed Tue 14 Apr 2009 15:37:08 GMT+1 happylaze This post has been Removed Tue 14 Apr 2009 15:26:25 GMT+1 publiusdetroit Seems like a good time to hear from the kitchen band.Hit it girls! Tue 14 Apr 2009 15:24:34 GMT+1 happylaze 358 Glad to hear the festivities went well.And to those that wish to participate. DO. participate. writing in for the first time to say "why are you not on thread" SPEAK UP. They let" truly never said anything worth while" in..Simon " any desire to visit Kansas soon dissapears, like the Wicked Witch of the West "I thought she lived in Alaska?332 I would appreciate it if they did start a "we are pro zionists .no matter what " thread and ban this twerp twit nit stit. even though he is so friendly with my good mate Gary.Aqua great sentiments all round So glad you came back. I suspect TT will bore us all away.(now that is an IDEA)As to sharing some wine. It may be worth remembering that many people have religious objections to a tipple.They live in nations that Quite often have a culture of Hashish though.Which was made illegal for international trade at a time that was a short economic cycle away from the area turning more violent.I know you will share a virtual peace pipe."Drop bongs not bombs" that my bumper sticker. Tue 14 Apr 2009 15:14:37 GMT+1 happylaze This post has been Removed Tue 14 Apr 2009 14:44:59 GMT+1 happylaze lol Time "She called her parents to tell them not to worry she had found an apartment right across the street from the American Embassy"at first skimming through so I could get to the juicy stuff of truth I made the mistake of thinking you might be suggesting that she found an american embassy in Kansas.Which I found amusing. So I shared it. Tue 14 Apr 2009 14:41:55 GMT+1 publiusdetroit Ref 358 HesiodosChoke cherry; Prunus virginianaHad to look that up. Interesting to find that the boiled bark of the root is used as an astringent for colds. When I was a child we used to call them "poison berries" because of the astringent in the fruit. It was rather daring to eat a handful to show off ones "powers".I'll have to gather some roots this summer to give the cold treatment a try next winter. Tue 14 Apr 2009 14:39:32 GMT+1 british-ish 357. TrueToo:Yawn. Heard it all before. Bored with it. Thought I asked you to close the door on your way out? Tue 14 Apr 2009 13:27:20 GMT+1 Hesiodos Publius (159),"A friend used to make choke cherry wine."My step-Granny in Canada made it, and it was marvelous! Do you know the botanical name for choke-cherry?Happy Easter (and Passover greetings where appropriate)to all, For those still on windoze, a tale:"The Conficker botnet has stirred to life, using its peer-to-peer communication system to update itself and download scareware (fake anti-virus programs) to millions of infected Windows machines.The Conficker update comes a week after a heavily-hyped April 1st activation date and provides the first sign of the motivation behind this malware threat — financially motivated cybercrime."For those who care, our woodland gatherings were blessed with absolutely brilliant weather and first-rate campfire evenings...Salaam to all Tue 14 Apr 2009 11:40:23 GMT+1 TrueToo 355. british-ish wrote:I'm curious, and this seems a good place to ask. Is there anybody who does not get that "All new members . . ." message when they post?I'm sure everyone gets it. The system is working OK and much better than it used to now that the "Preview" function has been included. If the message bothers you, just imagine it without the word "new."356. british-ish,Your "barge in" comment is typical of many on this blog who have somehow come to regard it as their own territory. Get with the concept of the Internet: it's allied to free speech and is not at all hard to grasp. Pity that there are many here who would censor any opinion they didn't like if they were in control of the blog. They pay lip service to free speech, and that's it.And regarding the flinging of insults, there are some true professionals here. I ain't one of them. Tue 14 Apr 2009 11:38:36 GMT+1 british-ish 354. At 10:54am on 14 Apr 2009, TrueToo wrote:"But from what I've seen of it, it is also a rather petty and narrow clique with a "nudge-nudge, wink-wink" attitude towards "outsiders," people thus reinforcing their prejudices. Those the clique does not approve of are often peppered with snide remarks and shown the door."You don't have to join in ;-)Nor barge in just to insult people. Would you mind closing the door (quietly) on your way out? Tue 14 Apr 2009 10:32:44 GMT+1 british-ish I'm curious, and this seems a good place to ask. Is there anybody who does not get that "All new members . . ." message when they post? I've been 'contributing' (if that's the word) for over six months, and I'm wondering how long it takes for the 'newness' to wear off? Tue 14 Apr 2009 09:55:57 GMT+1 TrueToo 327. seanspa wrote: TT, I would suggest that it is those who hammer away at the same message on each and every thread (on topic meaning their one and only topic) who are driving people away.I concentrate on the Israeli-Arab conflict a lot, but not exclusively and mostly in response to the venomous off-topic Israel-bashing on these BBC blogs. On another thread you suggested that I restrict myself to one thread on the Israeli-Arab conflict and leave the others alone. Perhaps you can see how one-sided that suggestion is while you reserve for yourself and others the right to discuss whatever off-topic subjects you like on whichever thread you choose.Have a look at who steered the "Reflecting on delay" thread in an Israel-bashing direction. One of the usual suspects - Simon21 at comment no. 70.329. bere54 wrote: Who let the riffraff in? Somebody left the door open.The other day you were insisting that nobody on this blog wants to censor the opinions of others. Make up your mind.330. Simon21 wrote: You genuinely do think people are bothered about what you think.Plenty are, you included. Otherwise why respond to the points I make? And of course there are others who appreciate the points I make, as I appreciate theirs.332. timewaitsfornoman,That's interesting. I didn't know of any BBC blogs with a chat facility.If you read my post, you would know I ask so as not to bother others.I did read your post and I was impressed by your concern for others. As you indicated, I do find the scrolling through endless chat a time-wasting exercise but other than that it doesn't bother me.336. aquarizonagal wrote: I would ask a question of those who are irritated with some of the posts on this thread. What is so terrible with sharing food, ideas, dreams, even silly jokes?I'm not irritated by it. As I said, I just scroll. Unlike many here, I don't see myself as having any right to dictate the direction of any thread, since this is not my blog. There's nothing terrible about it, but the BBC does have a rule that off-topic comments are not allowed. Evidently, that rule is no longer being followed on many BBC blogs. I think Have Your Say is an exception.342. publiusdetroit wrote: The kitchen party always tries to use a thread that has gone inactive for some period of time as not to inconvience any of the active topics.In fact, the kitchen party uses any thread anywhere anytime. You are really concerned about not inconveniencing anyone? You jest. The only one here that I know of who has genuinely expressed any concern about that was timewaitsfornoman at no. 293. 351. Interestedforeigner wrote:The people who are chatting here are enjoying each other's company. It is a positive, beneficial activity.Perhaps in some respects. But from what I've seen of it, it is also a rather petty and narrow clique with a "nudge-nudge, wink-wink" attitude towards "outsiders," people thus reinforcing their prejudices. Those the clique does not approve of are often peppered with snide remarks and shown the door. Weird to find this occurring among adults and on a blog run by the BBC - which prides itself on its "impartiality." Tue 14 Apr 2009 09:54:50 GMT+1 british-ish 344. At 02:28am on 14 Apr 2009, timewaitsfornoman wrote:I don't even understand why they care. Nor do I wish to try to understand. Instead I think we should become a "break-away blog." Let's start a petition. Don't think we need either; looks like we've got our own cozy corner here now. They can keep going on about the usual stuff on the active thread. They'll start fighting WWII again soon by the look of it as well.Just going back to the misdirection bit (It's not just the Irish or Devonians, I've been trying who wrote a poem 'on being misdirected in Wales'; anybody know?) in France they often put black tape over the names of some towns on the motorway signs. It's as though they're temporarily wiped off the road map. I keep wondering whether it's something they've done, and they're being punished by being made invisible, or whether the inhabitants just want to be reclusive for a bit and get a bit of respite from the traffic and tape over the names themselves. Tue 14 Apr 2009 09:52:24 GMT+1 Interestedforeigner 301 and 328. TimewaitsSlagging the French. When I was a kid it was much more serious. Now, slagging the French is effectively self parody, like Basil Fawlty. Mostly, I think we're past it, but you still sometimes get surprises. You remember the ad during the election, with Michel Rivard? Laughed, and laughed.Excuse me, I'm going to shift into French here for a bit to answer Timewaits' parenthetical at 301: Je ne sais pas si c'est "au but", ou plutot "au fond", ou, peut etre, "au coeur". Quand j'y pense, c'est comme "au but de mes forces", qui veut dire "epuise", en effet en anglais "at the end of my tether", which is not "the end" that you mean.(Il y avait un Marcel "Aubut", nom vraiment Quebecois, bien sur, mais c'est different.)Moi j'aurais dit "au fond je suis convaincu que c'est un complot...", mais je ne suis pas un francophone pour vrai. A la fin, ou enfin, tel que soit, je vous ai bien compris. And, on the topic of plots and conspiracies, one of my favorite Quebec sayings, which carries a ton of history, and a lot of self-deprecating humour and irony is "On les aura demain, les Anglais". (We'll get them tomorrow, those English.)For our good friends in America and the UK, classroom French is very standard, relatively slowly spoken French from central or eastern France - more or less the French equivalent of standard English as presented by BBC newsreaders on the world service.It takes a long, long time, and a lot of practice, to learn to understand the French of Montreal-est, or Rouyn-Noranda, or Gaspesie. I still have trouble understanding Haitians. Just imagine learning English by listening to some mile-a-minute gravel-voiced sportscaster on the local late-night news in, say, Joe Batt's Arm NFLD, a small town in the outback in Australia, a town in the deep south in the US, somewhere outside Mumbai, in the Windies, or on the overnight service on "SABC Channel Africa".It's difficult, but when you finally catch on, it's really rewarding. Unfortunately satellite broadcast of TV is killing the strong local dialects that give language such richness. Bit of a shame, that. Tue 14 Apr 2009 03:49:15 GMT+1 Interestedforeigner 287 Jordan D, and 326 TT:327 Seanspa has it exactly right.Some of the best strings on this blog have come when people talk about experiences they have had that give much greater insight than political polemeics, repeated ad nauseum, on either the middle east or abortion.The people who are chatting here are enjoying each other's company. It is a positive, beneficial activity. Its about people getting along with each other, rather than fighting. Not such a bad lesson. Tue 14 Apr 2009 03:33:44 GMT+1 bere54 That Phyllis Diller is (was? is she dead yet?) one smart woman. I didn't bury my ironing, or get behind in it. I simply gave it up. Gave the iron to my son for doing something or other with his snowboard (I hope it's not kinky).Wrinkled is the new black. Tue 14 Apr 2009 02:34:47 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman bere54Here are two more I just found:"I buried a lot of my ironing in the back yard."and"I'm eighteen years behind in my ironing. There's no use doing it now, it doesn't fit anybody I know."Phyllis Diller Tue 14 Apr 2009 02:18:39 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman 346 bere54Another fav by Phyllis Diller: "Housework can't kill you, but why take the chance?"Like your spandex quote.#347 It is almost unbelievable. Anything can set them off, even puppies! Tue 14 Apr 2009 02:12:49 GMT+1 bere54 Oh, no, you're never going to believe this! They've started on the middle east on the other thread! How could that have happened? Who woulda thunk it? I thought we were discussing puppies. Tue 14 Apr 2009 02:04:21 GMT+1 bere54 345, timewaits -Ohhh, that explains why my home is such a mess!I have two magnets. One says: "Housework Is Evil. It Must Be Stopped."The other says: "Chocolate - not just for breakfast anymore"My entire life philosophy spelled out in two fridge magnets. And a bumper sticker I used to have that declared "Spandex - a Privilege, Not a Right." Tue 14 Apr 2009 02:00:23 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman bere54My fridge magnet says: "Dull Women has Immaculate Homes." Tue 14 Apr 2009 01:36:20 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman publiusdetroit"Are we really harming anyone?"Quite obviously my answer to that is "No." I don't even understand why they care. Nor do I wish to try to understand. Instead I think we should become a "break-away blog." Let's start a petition. Tue 14 Apr 2009 01:28:07 GMT+1 bere54 publius -No, we are not harming anyone. Please, put a guard on that door!Aqua's mention of bumper stickers reminds me of the kitchen magnet I recently gave my daughter, to wit: "NATIONAL SARCASM SOCIETY - As if we want your support." The active thread, whatever its topic was, seems to have taken a frivolous turn. I didn't start it! Tue 14 Apr 2009 01:27:09 GMT+1 publiusdetroit Although an insignificant number who stumble into the kitchen party have found it trivial, I notice that the number of posters who keep coming back to add their postings are growing.The kitchen party always tries to use a thread that has gone inactive for some period of time as not to inconvience any of the active topics. As noted by others; those posting in the kitchen party bring humor, treat one another with respect, offer interesting stories and ideas, some videos, and even some music.Are we really harming anyone? Tue 14 Apr 2009 01:11:56 GMT+1 aquarizonagal To Happlaze where ever you are,Even paranoid people need love and tin foil. I have a bumper sticker that reads,BUCKLE UP: It Makes It Harder For Aliens To Suck You Out Of Your Car.I am finished on this thread. Have fun! Tue 14 Apr 2009 01:06:58 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman aquarizonagal & seanspa"Nation Shall Speak unto Nation"Is an excellent idea. We do need some other nationalities, cultures, and religions to make it a more meaning experience. Not arguing or throwing insults at each other but talking and listening. We would all be better for it. But, this is a start. I now know many wonderful people I had not met a few months ago. Tue 14 Apr 2009 00:33:31 GMT+1 aquarizonagal To#327 Seanspa "Nation Shall Speak Unto Nation" I love that. Could we form a blog? Do you think this could lead to no more wars and no more ideological stupidity? If we could all share virtual bread and salt and speak our truths, could we come to understanding and tolerance, even liking for each other? Maybe a little wine might also help. Mon 13 Apr 2009 23:11:30 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman bere54Well naturally it would have to have rules. No swimming after dark, etc. Mon 13 Apr 2009 23:05:19 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman 334 chere aquarizonagal I have been to many cities in the US (none in Arizona) but think New Orleans is my favourite. Although I was expecting it, was surprised by the amount of French still spoken. The French are passionate people and it shows. Everybody hugs and kisses here. It is very natural and no one thinks twice. When, without thinking, I greet someone not from Quebec with a hug and two cheek kiss, I find myself hugging a board! Mon 13 Apr 2009 23:03:50 GMT+1 aquarizonagal I would ask a question of those who are irritated with some of the posts on this thread. What is so terrible with sharing food, ideas, dreams, even silly jokes? Many of us may not be able to travel as widely as we would like and learning about others here is valuable to us and helps us understand each other. We are a community, would you join us even for a little while? All the pain, misery and political discourse in the world will not disappear. You may always return to it. After all, Justin Webb himself, left us all to our own devices for many days. It is his blog and he has not yet sent us to the naughty corner. Mon 13 Apr 2009 22:53:35 GMT+1 bere54 332, timewaits -I could use a nice warm beach right now. Could it be closed to riffraff? Mon 13 Apr 2009 22:44:58 GMT+1 aquarizonagal To#328 TimewaitsfornomanI love the French language and when we lived in Louisiana, I though that I would understand Cajun. I did not! However, the people, the food and the culture were delightful. Mon 13 Apr 2009 22:43:06 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman 331 Simon21"early chapters"Thanks for the advice. Now that you mention it, I might have tried many moons ago. Do not recall finishing it, so guess I never got out of Kansas! Well, only by closing the book. Mon 13 Apr 2009 22:37:15 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman 326 TrueToo"why should the BBC set up private chat sites for people?"You would have to ask the BBC. They already have. They could do the same for North America.If you read my post, you would know I ask so as not to bother others. You apparently being one. Mon 13 Apr 2009 22:24:31 GMT+1 Simon21 320. At 8:42pm on 13 Apr 2009, bere54 wrote: timewaits -No. It doesn't count. The only way to experience Kansas is to be there."Alternatively you could read the early chapters of the "Wizard of OZ". Having done so any desire to visit Kansas soon dissapears, like the Wicked Witch of the West Mon 13 Apr 2009 22:18:36 GMT+1 Simon21 326. At 10:52pm on 13 Apr 2009, TrueToo wrote: You genuinely do think people are bothered about what you think.As an example of the "Israel is always right" briigade your views are interesting as a demonstration that even in 2009 some people hold 19th century (and opre 19th) prejudices.But otherwise. Mon 13 Apr 2009 22:16:27 GMT+1 bere54 Who let the riffraff in? Somebody left the door open. Mon 13 Apr 2009 22:13:35 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman I do not feel like posting on the other thread, so will defend the French here. I live in the second largest French speaking city in the world. Although they can, from time to time, be difficult to deal with (from our point of view) they are a joy to live amongst. One of the main reasons it is hard to leave Montreal. The Joie de vivre, restaurants, fashion, culture, two cheek kiss, (should I meet any of you prepare yourselves), etc. Unfortunately they do not speak French as they do in France so it is not as lyrical. And bloody difficult (for me!) to understand. Every time I go to France I'm delighted to find out I do understand French after all!If we go west, (my apologies to any Canadians west of Quebec) everything seems so "white bread." The Maritimers on the other hand.... Mon 13 Apr 2009 22:11:15 GMT+1 seanspa TT, I would suggest that it is those who hammer away at the same message on each and every thread (on topic meaning their one and only topic) who are driving people away. Those of us who stay to chatter do so because we've actually found common ground and we enjoy engaging with different people from different backgrounds in different countries with different beliefs. If only there was an organisation running a blog whose motto was something like 'Nation shall speak unto Nation'. That's what we need. Mon 13 Apr 2009 22:10:35 GMT+1 TrueToo 287. Jordan D wrote:When did this kind of thread drift on BBC blogs become acceptable?Good point.288. british-ish wrote:287: What do you mean 'drift'? It's evolution. Democratically organised :-)Right, except when it's a subject you don't like.293. timewaitsfornoman wrote:I think someone should ask Justin to set up a North American blog for the chit-chatters. In that way we will not bother the others who might waste their time reading our talk in the hopes we are saying something noteworthy.Good suggestion. But I have one reservation: why should the BBC set up private chat sites for people?318. Gary_A_Hill,Thanks for your vote of confidence a few days ago. (Carry on chatting, people. Eventually there'll just be the chit-chatters left on this site, but I have no objections to that. Live and let live.) Mon 13 Apr 2009 21:52:01 GMT+1 aquarizonagal To happylazeI have been to several places where I did not know the language but felt most comfortable with the people. On the other hand, I have sometimes felt as a stranger in a strange land in my own country. Mon 13 Apr 2009 21:40:49 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman seanspaIt just occurred to me that the friend I went to visit, the only time I was in Idaho, was from Kansas. He left as soon as he was able and came to Montreal to study. Then was talked into going to Montana by some of his Kansas/Missoura (as they pronounced it) friends to "get back to the earth." I went to visit him there on my way to Vancouver. He and I made that desperate drive through the Rockies. I guess getting back to the earth was not for him as he now lives in Vancouver.A friend of his from a wealthy Kansas family also attended school in Montreal. She called her parents to tell them not to worry she had found an apartment right across the street from the American Embassy. As this was during the Vietnam era, her parents told her, "Move!!" Mon 13 Apr 2009 21:40:11 GMT+1 happylaze Lol Kansas. seems it would be too political for me.310 Sean I have to agree it is a big place. And all over there are less savoury people.It is a fun experience not having any clue about most of whats going on. not knowing the language and enjoying the strangeness of strange places. It is harder when the views are the strangest thing about people.But it is a big place that is for sure. Mon 13 Apr 2009 21:29:42 GMT+1 aquarizonagal We all do love our own little piece of earth. As it happens, my dear one was also born in Kansas. I still do not care for Kansas. Perhaps that was the fault of my late mother-in-law. My dear one has always said that, at eighteen he leaped over the furrows of the wheat fields, heading Southwest and never looked back.I met Woody Guthrie once but that it is a tale for a long winter evening. Mon 13 Apr 2009 20:15:14 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill I meant "Woody" Guthrie, of course. Mon 13 Apr 2009 19:54:10 GMT+1 bere54 timewaits -No. It doesn't count. The only way to experience Kansas is to be there. And you don't want to experience it. So don't go there.Although many years ago a nice shop owner in Lawrence, KS, gave me a free pencil that was engraved "Lawrence, Kansas." I cherished it. But you still don't want to go there. They're probably out of pencils. Mon 13 Apr 2009 19:42:39 GMT+1 aquarizonagal To Bere54Travel abroad does not have to be expensive, think: Peace Corp, Doctors Without Borders, UNICEF, WHO, Elder Partners, and various other organizations who can provide the travel experiences of a lifetime. I admit that many destinations, while often exotic are not luxurious, but you will meet incredible people and have experiences with which to entertain your grandchildren and your 'greats' on snowy evenings. Mon 13 Apr 2009 19:36:44 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill I've been to Kansas, which happens to be the birthplace of my father. I liked Kansas, and every other state I've been to, which is most of them. I share Woodie Guthrie's point of view: the United States, we are Americans first. Mon 13 Apr 2009 19:35:00 GMT+1 KScurmudgeon Kansas - The real show is in the sky; the rest is just bleachers. Except, to the locals, the interesting part is also in the micro-climates and nooks and crannies of hedgerows, streambeds, grasses, native birds, and other denizens human and animal, and how they interrelate and react as the seasons pass over your peculiar quarter-section or two. Right now, for example, we are in a late, cold spring. The robins are out, but the ground is still cold. I suspect the same appeal applies if you care to look, in other places.Publius D has it right about our history - social activists and abolitionists fought it out with Johnny Reb types for control of the state just before the Civil War, and the truth is that these two groups are still discernable and are still fighting here, 150 years later. We fight over abortion, school funding, the right to carry, own, or conceal handguns, to smoke or not to smoke in public places - but also over whether Johnny must park his pick-up between the lines in the parking lot at city hall.Kansas is one of those quiet, decent, mostly orderly places where most folks are left alone - and which is quietly grateful for being left alone by the swirling maelstrom around it. In that, the movie is correct enough - Dorothy's simple virtues are more than adequate to persevere through the manifest evils as well as the deliberate phoniness of OZ, to identify lasting goodness where it exists and find a way home. Whatever Ms Garland may have done with her life thereafter.KScurmudgeonescaped from LaLaland as soon as I was able Mon 13 Apr 2009 19:23:28 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman bere54 "never be able to afford it"Now, never say never. Perhaps your Scotsman will take you. "Kansas" I have never even been near Kansas. Closest I guess would be New Orleans and I don't suppose that could be called "close." Montana, Las Vegas, Chicago - best I can do. I changed planes in Cincinnati once, to be told I was in Kentucky not Ohio. Does that count? Mon 13 Apr 2009 18:53:21 GMT+1 seanspa Oh, I went to kansas, once. In the late 70s we drove from the SF bay area to eastern kansas, through denver, and returned via the grand canyon and LaLa land. Kansas was unbearably hot in the summer. It was very flat, and there was crazy golf nearby. Maybe that's all there was there. At 48 my memory for these things is terrible, but then it's always been bad. Mon 13 Apr 2009 18:22:17 GMT+1 bere54 aquarizonagal -I wish I could do without sleep. But at a certain point I feel like I've been drugged and can't think straight and even have trouble talking. This usually occurs at about 9:00 p.m., so embarrassing. I am not the life of any party! And I tend to be sleepy all day long. I must have been a cat in a former life and have never adjusted to this human existence. Mon 13 Apr 2009 18:11:45 GMT+1 bere54 timewaits - "devoted to his mother. That would be me!! 24hrs/day for two years"So familiar! I had to forcibly wean my son when he was two; he was so annoyed but I needed a break! My daughter weaned herself at 18 mos. and I thought she didn't love me. She slept through the night, took long naps, when I told her it was time for a nap or bedtime she would say, "Okay, Mommy." I don't think her brother said "Okay, Mommy" about anything until he was old enough to be saying "It's all good, Mom."I've done so many road trips around this country that I'm travelled out and these days leaving Vermont (except to go to Canada) scares me because there's just too much damned traffic out there. And I don't think I'd get on a plane unless it was a matter of life or death. Everything I hear these days about flying sounds just dreadful. I would like to sail to England some day, but will never be able to afford it. Mon 13 Apr 2009 18:02:44 GMT+1 aquarizonagal I think that sleep is highly over-rated. I have never slept a lot. I do like dreaming but I can do that when I am awake. Mon 13 Apr 2009 17:59:51 GMT+1 aquarizonagal To#305 PubliusdetroitI agree with you about the Americas, both North and South but if you ever get the chance, you should visit Africa. We have spent considerable time in several countries there. Despite politics and poverty, our experiences were extra-ordinary. When I stood at the very tip of the Southern Cape where the Indian and Atlantic oceans meet, I admit I cried at the beauty and at my privilege to be granted such an experience in this life. Mon 13 Apr 2009 17:57:08 GMT+1 seanspa #305, publius, I know that many in europe look down on americans for their 'lack of travel'. What they don't get is how vast NA is. Blimey, many of the individual states are vast. The scenery and the people vary hugely. You have to be over here to understand that many folk here are not insular, they are continental. OK, some never leave their state. The same could be said for some in the UK not leaving their county. Mon 13 Apr 2009 17:51:55 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman happylaze I did not mean you are the US, but as you are entitled in the US. If you were, boy would you have a lot to answer for!!If you lived here I believe you would be entitled to your say. Native issues are different all across the country, so cannot comment on what is happening on the west coast. publiusdetroit probably knows more than I. But the "Six Nations of the Iroquois" and the Cree (the natives who live in this part of the world) are not push overs and well able to defend themselves! Do you agree with that (why don't I just call you Detroit?) Detroit? We spell vice with a "c" as we do most British/English words, so your poster would make sense here. Mon 13 Apr 2009 17:49:18 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman bere54Our eldest son was the same. Seemed he never slept, cap-napped during the day, devoted to his mother. That would be me!! 24hrs/day for two years, thought I would lose it! He is still devoted to (okay; really fond of, think we could go as far as saying loves) his mother which is rewarding. As for when and how much he sleeps? Not my problem. Mon 13 Apr 2009 17:22:51 GMT+1 happylaze lol Pub My thing with travel is I would prefer to take the slow boat.except I'm sure I would end up sea sick.Any way as the dwarves said. "High ho.. High Ho..... High ho, high ho ,It's off to work I go. with a bucket and spade and a hand granade , high ho , high ho, high ho"I'd be dopey obviously Mon 13 Apr 2009 17:18:06 GMT+1 happylaze "This is a huge question. Millions tried to ask Obama about it.But it is beneath the almighty BBC and the main stream media."I should add here that it was apparently also too distracting to Obama. seeing as I wrote this without including the latest head in the sand on this issue.Time lol I am not the US. I am in the US. and have been brought up to respect it.(by mum and Dad) . I have know americans as Family, not tourists. shown them around london etc.I have this strange thing about respect. i think showing respect for unrespectable behaviour is disrespect. if I did move up north then I suspect I would get a little disrespectful of some of the stuff up there.I hear they still have issues with their first inhabitants. lets say.As to travel. I've had enough.When I do travel I tend to prefer to have the option available to say " this is nice I think I will stay" problem there is Immigration laws most of the time.Moving a smithy no matter how small and ill equipped is no easy task.I still have two anvils and a leg vice in the UK.Note the word Vice. here's an anglo american difference. A Vice in the workshop and the kinky vices are spelled the same way in the UK. where as in the USA there is an s in workshop vise. and a c in the kinky behaviour vice.Anyway either way As the poster says"A blacksmith cannot have to many vices" Mon 13 Apr 2009 17:12:00 GMT+1 publiusdetroit Ref 303 timewaitsfornomanBeing a backpacker I travel light. Airline travel is a breeze for me. My oldest sister has been the foreign (outside N.A.) traveler of the family. I've had many friends and acquaintances who travel around the world. They all bring back wonderful stories of exotic places that interest me. I have had a passport for years.Just keep coming up with another place to see in N.A. It's so vast. There are always more mountains to climb; or a river to canoe; a trail to trek (I have hiked almost all of the Bruce Trail on the Niagra Escarpment), or getting to the desert in springtime to watch the bloom.I do have a passion for Iceland. I will get there someday. Mon 13 Apr 2009 17:04:29 GMT+1 bere54 302, publius -When my son was an infant he never seemed to sleep. He was our first and we thought babies were supposed to nap at least some of the time, especially if they were awake half the night. I discussed this with our (British, as it happened) pediatrician. After a thorough examination of baby, he wrote his diagnosis in the chart: "Parents need more sleep than baby." Of course, once this child reached an age where he could be awake without adult supervision, he slept all the time!I don't really sleep all that much but my brain fogs over by 10:00 p.m. and I can't function. Of course, some of you are in earlier time zones (and some in later zones). I used to be able to sit up reading half the night, but now I can't keep my eyes open. Until I lay down to sleep, that is! And often whatever I've read late at night I can't remember and have to re-read it next day. Is this age-related, I wonder? I'm not that old yet! Mon 13 Apr 2009 17:02:24 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman publiusdetroitSomething in common with Churchill.Talking about the UK....! I understand how it could happen you did not "get around" to leaving N.A. Getting in the car and driving is so much easier to organize, as we did to SC. Preparations for air travel seemed like too much trouble. But... once you are committed, it is only a question of one step after another. I come from a family of travellers and realized in my early twenties all had been to more places than I (even my younger sisters), so I became "hell bent and determined." Have not regretted a single trip. Mon 13 Apr 2009 16:38:23 GMT+1 publiusdetroit Ref 292 bere54Most all my life I've been a 4 hour sleeper. It worried my mother when I was a child. Nothing she could do to change it. I would sit up reading with a flashlight from the time I learned to read. She took away my flashlight. I read by the glow from the light in the farmyard. She took her concerns to the family doctor, noting that I was awake and active in school; always got my chores done; didn't cat-nap through the day. He told her that I just had an odd sleep cycle, not to worry.Since my late 40's, I've found I need 5-6 hours sleep now. I still go out like a light, when it's time. Get up refreshed and ready for the day. Always been a nightowl.I've also thought that was fortunate. I got in lots of reading through the years. Mon 13 Apr 2009 16:16:38 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman happylazeI sympathize and agree. Canada is under similar pressure. But you know, as I am not "one of them" like to keep my opinions to myself. Do not like it if non-Canadians bash Canada (where is Robocop btw- sure to turn up now bashing ME). Constructive criticism I can handle. I am entitled to do so, as you are the US. That is why I love reading your posts. I really do agree with you. There are serious forces at work here. I am a conspiracy theorist "au but" (basically, to the end) as they say here. Interestedforeigner will correct me on that one!But.... technology is the future whether you like it or not and a means for you to make money. Although I have often fantasized about living on an Island where they have never even heard the word "paper."aquarizonagalAmerican guns are becoming a problem in Canada also. Generally we do not have guns. What would I do with one? Mon 13 Apr 2009 16:11:51 GMT+1 happylaze lol aqua. Paranoia is the word. funny how some say it is those smoking pot that are paranoid.When they actually do have something to fear. Mon 13 Apr 2009 16:08:17 GMT+1 aquarizonagal To HappylazeYour post did not get censored by the PTBs!I mostly agree with everything you said. Our current problems with Mexico are being fueled by both drug traffic and illegal arms. It goes both ways across the border. A border that is impossible to police. Paranoia over illegal immigration adds gasoline to the fire. Mon 13 Apr 2009 15:59:38 GMT+1 happylaze 296 I had a nice posting in reply but went for a link and the program crashed. I love the techiess that create a world where by even a simple safari turns into a lost land adventure. So useful that sort of progress.Just wonderful. So rewarding .But then they are richer than me so they must be right.That is why I care little for the net web and the modern way.I'll say this about the blog.I find it funny that the drug issue which is at the root of so much violence. An american prohibition mentality given to the world.One that causes so much resentment.Costs lives. american and others. also mexico. anywhere just look.taking away lively hoods that have been there for centuries, just to please some old people who don't even know what they are talking about. (ie they think Drugd and think Hard)eradication programs don't work as well as just saying. "that stuff should be legal. so lets do it." The Guardian did it to the UK. Got the debate out there. taken seriously. not derided as being below the level of the all high on power and mighty people running things.This is a huge question. Millions tried to ask Obama about it.But it is beneath the almighty BBC and the main stream media.They have better things to do than look at the roots of problems. There are headlines to be ignored.And if someone with some Booze gets arrested in Saudi there is an outcry in the UK about how stupid. Then they maintain a total ban on discussions on how so many tribes got so annoyed with the USA.They got annoyed (being polite) when the DEA sponsored troops turned up and wiped out their nest eggs. They grew for years and years. then were told to stop. "grow lettuces" ( I heard a DEA official telling the S american farmer that once in this Documentary . What a laugh. Water intensive and hard to take to market.Coca leaves get 2 crops a year and get to market easy. Bolivia tries to legalise it and America gets all feisty with them.PAthetic war to create wars. Most of Afghanistan would be happy to be able to grow again. and have a market. reliable.(but we say "grow heroin")but this post will probably be modded anyway, and the topic will not be raised. but we will have a bunch of posts all on the same topic. Boeings have rubbish Captains seats. (which may well have been made in the UK where much of the interior fittings of Boeings are made. Mon 13 Apr 2009 15:30:47 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman bere54We noticed the disaster routes marked in the US. I guess you have to live in the area to know exactly what it is you are escaping from and why turning in that direction would be a help. Mon 13 Apr 2009 14:42:24 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman happylazeDoes #295 mean you are not going to ask? Could you suggest someone he might listen to?The sweetener - tell him we don't expect him to read it. Mon 13 Apr 2009 14:30:59 GMT+1 happylaze 293 lol time . all that name calling and accusations of being a righty wanna be citizen , do anything for a green card talk is just what he loves in the morning. I actually wonder if he reads this at all. I mean no worries fair nuff. I wouldn't either if it was part of my job.;) Mon 13 Apr 2009 14:22:06 GMT+1 happylaze Lol Bere as to up so late. Up early as;)CATSThey did a study in the netherlands and I'm not sure but I think some towns accepted the taking down of road signs in town. They made the rule. "If you hit someone you are in DEEP truly." And accidents reduced because people Knew there were no rules saying stop here and if you proceed make sure it is clear. So they made sure it was clear. Amazing.;) Mon 13 Apr 2009 14:16:54 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman I think someone should ask Justin to set up a North American blog for the chit-chatters. In that way we will not bother the others who might waste their time reading our talk in the hopes we are saying something noteworthy. happylaze, you ask Justin. I'm sure he hangs on your every word and would be more than "happy" to accommodate us.I find this exchange educational and informative. How else would we be meeting and communicating with such a diverse group otherwise? If we are not interested in answering a question or getting involved in a discussion, we simply ignore it. Hard to do in person. Mon 13 Apr 2009 14:04:06 GMT+1 bere54 Well, I guess here in Vermont we don't have a monopoly on "you can't there from here," though mostly you can't. There's big mountains in the way. Always have to go somewhere else not on the way first to get "there." They give strange directions here: "Turn left at the huge oak tree." Then after you're completely lost, you find out the oak was knocked down by lightning 20 years ago. Or the big red barn fell down long before you were told to turn right there. You're just supposed to know.A few years ago we had a Homeland Security-funded disaster drill here. The newspaper said it would held at the "former such-and-such building." Well, I wanted to know, what is the building called now? Where is it? We were just supposed to know this.A lot of the intersections (like a main one in town) don't have stop signs. You're just supposed to know when you don't have the right of way. It's amazing that as long as I've been here, there's never been an accident at the one in town. Usually it's on the country dirt roads where they don't bother to put signs.I've driven through Kansas. Several times, unfortunately. It's one of those places that once you're in it you feel like you are never going to reach the other side.I don't understand how you guys manage to stay up so late. I can't, and I guess it has something to do with the dieting cat rousting me out of bed at 6:00 a.m. Mon 13 Apr 2009 13:57:21 GMT+1 happylaze Jordan.Did you see the topic?I could go on about the inferior Boeing planes as a sign of the problems rampant in the USA. A perfect example of how projectionist America is. How state subsidised industries are all over (boeing) America so why not subsidise a better car industry.That Boeing did not pay as much attention to fuel efficiency and still make gas guzzlers compared to the offerings of Airbus.That several american made planes have dropped out of the sky without even a flock of geese in the area, and are you sure you want to fly on one. Or question if they have life rafts on that plane because there may not be enough. (like on the Hudson where that airbus was successfully landed.I've already suggested that Justins earlier web posting was seen by the security folk and the grounded the plane to show the pesky reporters that "keep this quiet " means "keep this quiet,so quiet that you tell no one."No one is into that conspiracy.I mentioned some alternative hosteling might be available to the Brit contingent at the Local consulate. (though they might be in the wrong bubble and the consulate is on the wrong side of the City. (the side with a view of all the city) designed by the guy that designed the houses of Parliament.Personally I like the frogs , eater head hunts and the peculiar ways of entertaining tourists found in some parts of rural UK.And spuds Mon 13 Apr 2009 13:57:18 GMT+1 happylaze 289 "ThEY DIDn'T??" ohh the rotters. Still Glad to see that you learned your lesson.... perseverance. Mon 13 Apr 2009 13:46:13 GMT+1 british-ish 267. At 05:28am on 13 Apr 2009, happylaze wrote:" in the old days the signs were changed for the germans should they drop by.and some signs keep finding they are magnetically attracted to the wrong town and the local kids are innocent."Of course they are. (Never did that sort of thing. Anyway, the spoilsports in the Highways Agency started putting up those big metal ones you can't turn round as easily. Oops.) Mon 13 Apr 2009 11:40:36 GMT+1 british-ish 287: What do you mean 'drift'? It's evolution. Democratically organised :-) Mon 13 Apr 2009 10:33:14 GMT+1 Jordan D When did this kind of thread drift on BBC blogs become acceptable? Mon 13 Apr 2009 08:30:48 GMT+1 happylaze 283 uuuggh not very nice really.Tomorrow I will begin the quest for the codes.and then the Bio with the disclaimer can start.(of course this will take me some daze.G night all . And Pub mate. well done. When we meet you have a frog. Mon 13 Apr 2009 06:24:14 GMT+1 happylaze lol pub. is it your cousin that is a smith? and what state is he in.RE contact via the net. Impossible we all know that. but if it were possible then I see no harm either. I'm old and ugly enough that I can see no harm out of it.I've played online shooters with all sorts and spoken with them. found out interesting things. Found I can do that thing that I am not good at. Being polite to people.Or else they would shoot me.;)Pub like I say if you're heading west and going through Oregon get in touch.follow the yellow crumb cake road.mmmmm with Vanilla Icecream.mmm simple can be best.Throwing a line out for Sam, I'm planning a "chastity cage" for Ben and Jerry's Icecream. Mon 13 Apr 2009 06:20:04 GMT+1 happylaze 281 I'll jump on that bandwagon.Never had an urge to go somewhere where they drop houses on people. sounds cruel.but you can follow the yellow brick road safely.I here tin man don't bite.280 Why?cause the other one . If it ever gets it's legs under it is going to get side tracked down a path I can't be bothered with for the meantime.oh and to briefly touch on the blue mosque. I bet all that have visited have the same picture from one of the gates going in. Mine was great, but the same as the one in the national Geo I found out later.and the postcards. Mon 13 Apr 2009 06:08:25 GMT+1 publiusdetroit Prior to the War Between the States, Kansas Territory was making a bid to become a state. At that time whether a state came into the Union as a slave state, or a free state was decided by a majority vote of the people of the territory at the time of statehood.Abolitionists and slaveholders alike rushed immigrants to the territory to gain a majority with deadly results. Towns were burnt to the ground. People killed. Each side as passionate and cruel as the other. A prelude to the terribly bloody war that followed.Bleeding Kansas. Mon 13 Apr 2009 06:06:58 GMT+1 publiusdetroit I was just thinking of heading to bed; but this party is too good.Aquagal, you're right. Happy is the trickster coyote. And I'll agree that those who have not been to Kansas are not missing much. The people still have a hangover from that "Bleeding Kansas" reputation leading into the War Between the States. I have gone back because I met some good people.TimewaitsfornomanYes. Literally. I agree with you that Happy has a great skill and talent that needs a good boost. I am pleased to give him my talents in hope he attracts a larger market. He just reminds me too much of my brother. I've given my brother the shirt off my back just to watch him make something of it, as only he can; and has:-)I admire your caution. I had been cautious of social connections made on the internet until my son came to live with me. I have watched him having a grand time "chatting" on the internet with people he only knows through that means; and texting on his cellphone to those who have become more intimate, only to be interrupted by an incoming call from some local friends. He inspired me to become socially involved on the internet. Exercising due care; I've not been sorry for taking the leap. Mon 13 Apr 2009 05:46:30 GMT+1