Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html en-gb 30 Thu 25 Dec 2014 20:27:29 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html dennisjunior1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=98#comment89 Justin:Thanks for your coverage regarding the President Obama visit to Ottawa....Regarding the time that he was in Ottawa (Canada), it will be one of his many visits to Canada during his Presidency...~Dennis Junior~ Wed 25 Feb 2009 03:45:29 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=97#comment88 BEL (#86), this is not correct. The District of Columbia has one representative in the House of Representatives, who does not vote on the floor, but who can participate and vote in committees. DC has no Senators.DC also elects "shadow" representatives, one for the House and two for the Senate. These are not members of Congress, they are more like lobbyists.As for electors, it has "electoral votes" not "electors." Electors come with the candidates. Fri 20 Feb 2009 15:44:48 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=96#comment87 Four blog entries for a six hour visit. That has to be some kind of record. Free trade between the US and Canada has already taken a slide. Canada's number one export to the US is snow. At this time of year, in my area the ground is usually covered with it but this year, there isn't a drop at the moment. Maybe if they lowered the price or were more efficient at producing it, we'd buy more. Obama has been President for hardly a month so he's still getting the feel of the job and a sense of what it's like to be the CEO of the USA negotiating with other CEOs. Canada is a good place to start. It's close, its culture while not the same as America's is less different than other countries. The euphoria and novelty of Obama hasn't worn off yet. In time, Obama and the world will be reminded that he is president of the United States, not of the entire world and America's interests are his only real interests, Americans his exclusive constituency. Reassuring words during campaigns and in early getting to know ya visits wear off when reality comes crashing in and he has to deal with contentious issues where there is no win-win solution. At that time, I think he'll prove he's even tougher than Bush was. People forget that Obama is not the free trader Bush and McCain were. He is not as beholden to large corporations whose international business interests are sometimes at odds with America's. His constituency is American workers. And I think when the media starts reporting that the stimulus package paid for by American taxpayers begins to create jobs abroad while there's still high unemployment at home, the loud demand for protectionism will be irresistable. I don't think he will have America fall on its sword over the environment, economic growth or anything else. Either it's gong to be a two way street on these issues or a sign will go up "road closed." Fri 20 Feb 2009 11:19:28 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=95#comment86 bere54This really is a question for our British bloggers. They should have all the answers. The Queen is able, she stripped Mugabe of his."Homeland Security crap" I agree.BienvenueEnLouisianaBienvenue! Did you click on the link and notice you can click on the pictures to enlarge them? It is a beautiful building.I did not answer that question directly, sorry. To make it clear - no. Fri 20 Feb 2009 03:39:24 GMT+1 BienvenueEnLouisiana http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=94#comment85 69 Thank you for answering my question.I knew roughly where it was, but I did not know if the city was its own district like D.C. and Austrailia's capital territory.72D.C. currently has electors who do vote for the pres, and it also has 2 senators and 1 rep, but neither of them can cast vote in Congress. Fri 20 Feb 2009 03:13:10 GMT+1 bere54 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=93#comment84 timewaits -Can't the Queen un-knight him for un-knight-like behavior, even if she didn't knight him? Or does this not happen? Can people be stripped of knighthoods?As for U.S./Canada relations, I wish Obama would do away with some of that Homeland Security crap so we and the Canadians can go back to border hopping without passports. Fri 20 Feb 2009 03:07:14 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=92#comment83 Canada and the US really do have a unique relationship, but it has been strained over the last eight years. We of course felt it more than the Americans who had plenty of other things to concern themselves with other than Canada/US relations.We are delighted to be back on track and are willing to go out of our way to show it. Fri 20 Feb 2009 02:39:09 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=91#comment82 76 bere54"Is this the same as being knighted by the Queen?"No. It looks as though he became an Antiguan citizen then perhaps "donated" lots of money to the country in return for a Knighthood. He was given the honour by their Governor General not the Queen. The way I see it, he in effect bought it. The Canadian government no longer allows Canadians to be knighted. Hence the Conrad Black fiasco were he gave up his Canadian citizenship to receive one. I believe he is sorry now. Fri 20 Feb 2009 02:27:02 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=90#comment81 79, publius.I shouldn't have said that Canada and America have always been best friends. I was thinking of our more recent history. Certainly during my lifetime (almost 80 years) they have been. Fri 20 Feb 2009 00:19:59 GMT+1 Andy Post http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=88#comment80 "Canada is the most foreign of foreign countries to an American. Yet it is our closest English speaking neighbor. There is a closer affinity to Mexico than there is to Canada. The average school child can know more names of Mexican states than it does Canadian Provinces."That isn't my impression. Have you been to Canada recently? I find it hard to tell the difference, myself. Fri 20 Feb 2009 00:09:01 GMT+1 Andy Post http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=87#comment79 Ref. 72Yep, sorry. Fri 20 Feb 2009 00:03:38 GMT+1 publiusdetroit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=86#comment78 Ref 74 allmymarblesThe remarkable thing about Canada and America is that they have always been best friends.Sorry, but I have to call you on this. We have not always been best friends. The cannons at Fort Malden in Amhurstburg, Ontario all point at the Michigan. Fortunately, they have not been loaded since 1851. We have had some interesting wars, though. The Aroostook War of 1838-39 is noteworthy. We could not agree on borders of Quebec and New Brunswick with Maine. Both sides armed soldiers and marched towards each other. A political settlement was reached before a shot was fired. There is more blood shed in an arguement between a Red Wings fan and a Maple Leaf fan some bar after a close game of hockey. Thu 19 Feb 2009 23:43:59 GMT+1 publiusdetroit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=85#comment77 Ref 67 marygravThere is a closer affinity to Mexico than there is to Canada.We have not spent millions of dollars to build walls along the Canadian border like we have along the Mexican border. Is that "affinity"?I have crossed both borders. The treatment at Canadian Customs is far more amiable then their Mexican counterparts. By a long shot.Besides; I have never been able to find any fish and chips in Mexico, but I have had some great buritos in Leamington, Ontario. (A province of Canada;-)I get the impression you have never been to the land north of our country. You should visit Canada sometime. You will find out why whenever most anyone from the States who have ever had contact with Canadians and are asked for their impressions will respond, "They are nice people." Thu 19 Feb 2009 23:08:32 GMT+1 2centChris http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=84#comment76 "Obama Pledges to Work With Canada" As usual, this was another insightful and informative article from the BBC. However, the picture of the banner which read "WELCOME PRESIDENT OBAMA" and the caption "President Obama has a high approval rating north of the border" is mis-leading. This banner was part of two banners GreenPeace erected on a bridge in Ottawa. The other banner stated "CLIMATE LEADERS DON'T BUY TAR SANDS". While many Canadians have a love relationship with the new president, many are also very concerned about the environmental damage that the Tar Sands work in Northern Alberta is causing. Canadians are not as complacent as this article implies. Don't forget that GreenPeace was born in British Columbia, Canada! (No, I am not a GreenPeace member.) Thu 19 Feb 2009 23:00:59 GMT+1 bere54 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=83#comment75 "Sir" Allen Stanford ?! Knighted "by the islands"?What does this mean? Is this the same as being knighted by the Queen? I hope not. I dislike being critical, but it seems as if this knighting business is now a reward for nefarious business activities. Okay, maybe it's been that way for a long, long time, but discretion should be used. First Sir Conrad, now Sir Allen. It sure puts a blight on the knight. Hood. Thu 19 Feb 2009 23:00:45 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=82#comment74 47 Temporarily Ed IglehartI presume you mean Michael Ignatieff not Pierre Trudeau. So..... what's he got to say for himself (meaning his brother)? Thu 19 Feb 2009 22:42:11 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=81#comment73 The remarkable thing about Canada and America is that they have always been best friends. This is unique in international relations. But is it so surprising? When we cross the northern border there is nothing ot make us aware we are in another country. Aside from political structure we are very much one people. When I was an innocent child I couldn't understand why we were two separate countries.Cheers to Canada, our northern friend. Thu 19 Feb 2009 22:39:37 GMT+1 bere54 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=80#comment72 67, marygrav: "Canada is the most foreign of foreign countries to an American. Yet it is our closest English speaking neighbor. There is a closer affinity to Mexico than there is to Canada. The average school child can know more names of Mexican states than it does Canadian Provences."I don't know what part of the U.S. you live in, but that is not at all the case up here in Vermont. I don't know whether the schoolchildren can name any Mexican states, but you can bet they know the names of the Canadian provinces whether they learn them in school or not. We bop back and forth across the border (or did before passport requirements), there are many French-Canadian families here with relatives over the border, and with school choice here in my area (there is no public high school) some kids elect to go to an academy in Sherbrooke, Quebec, the tuition paid for by the local school district.Canadian visitors roam through our villages (and try to smoke in our restaurants - illegal!) and contribute much to our economy, as we do with theirs. We are closer to Montreal than to Boston; in fact it's the closest big city and it's not unusual for people to go there for an evening of dining and arts. Our teenagers drive to Canada to drink (which is why they should lower the drinking age here - the kids could drink at home and not have to drive drunk).Canadians are not foreigners to us. I think you'd find it's that way with a lot of the northern states. Mexico might as well be on the other side of the world. Thu 19 Feb 2009 22:39:08 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=78#comment71 AndyPost (#68), the District of Columbia does have votes (3) in the electoral college. Thu 19 Feb 2009 22:10:41 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=77#comment70 marygrav (#67),Canada is the most foreign of foreign countries to an American. Yet it is our closest English speaking neighbor. There is a closer affinity to Mexico than there is to Canada. The average school child can know more names of Mexican states than it does Canadian Provences.I don't think so. Thu 19 Feb 2009 22:06:45 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=76#comment69 I only heard part of Obama's speech.He should have told that idiots from Green Peace that the oil sands from Alberta are part of our energy future and join the real world. Thu 19 Feb 2009 22:04:04 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=75#comment68 43 chronophobe"I see you didn't contradict me"Now why would I do that? I would have to lie. They are so annoying. I wish the famous "somebody" would do something about it.Oh no! chronophobe did you read #60? I promise not to say anything, I gave my word. BienvenueEnLouisianaOttawa is in the Province of Ontario across the Ottawa River from Hull/Gatineau Quebec. Toronto is the capital of Ontario and Quebec City the capital of Quebec.The Canadian Parliament Thu 19 Feb 2009 21:52:30 GMT+1 Andy Post http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=74#comment67 "I also heard recently that D.C.s rep. in Congress will soon have the ability to vote, something the district has previously never been able have sense they are not a state."While Congress may pass a law allowing D.C. to have a few votes in the electoral college and a representative in congress, the fact is that it will only be a matter of time before it is struck down as unconstitutional by the high court. Their only recourse then would be for the several states to pass a constitutional amendment. That would take some time. Thu 19 Feb 2009 21:25:09 GMT+1 mary gravitt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=73#comment66 Canada is the most foreign of foreign countries to an American. Yet it is our closest English speaking neighbor. There is a closer affinity to Mexico than there is to Canada. The average school child can know more names of Mexican states than it does Canadian Provences.One of the reasons, I believe is because Canada is more socialist in nature than Mexico. It has National Health and until President Obama took office, it was taboo to speak of an country so similar to ours having free health care. The Neoconservative Noise Machine tell U.S. citizens that the Canada Single Pay System does not work. You have to wait in line, so they say. They never tell you that private insurance and clinics are availiable, if one choses not to wait. This would be communistic prpaganda, not equal rights to madeical care so the Noise Machine says.Then too Canada has surpassed the U.S. in true multicultralism. This is the U.S.'s baby.The Canadians need not worry about the U.S. using only U.S. steel, cement and lumber. We have no steel or heavy industry to speak of. We will have to import. Canada is safe. The U.S. will be back on its feet consuming at its old rate as soon as the stimulus takes effect in about 12 months.We love Obama too. Or at least the Idea of Obama just as much as the Canadians do, thanks to the Party of NO. Thu 19 Feb 2009 21:23:54 GMT+1 publiusdetroit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=72#comment65 Ref 55 BienvenueEnLouisianaWere they inside the Canadian Parliament building? I must say that the architecture was stunning--a very different style than the US Congress building, but just as inspiring.Yes. That was the Parliment building. The architecture is very stunning. Too bad they did not show any pictures of the Prime Minister and President in their brief visit to the Parlimentary Library. That is a beautiful, massive room. My favorite place in the Parliment building. Thu 19 Feb 2009 21:01:41 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=71#comment64 It seems that the rules of citizenship for persons born outside of the US with one American parent are rather complicated, and were changed from time to time. Churchill was not a citizen at birth after all, under the law in effect at the time.http://www.aca.ch/hisuscit.htm Thu 19 Feb 2009 21:01:41 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=70#comment63 It's a mystery to me why, if Churchill was a "natural-born citizen" of the US, he was made an "honorary citizen":http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=430Perhaps the law on citizenship was different at the time of his birth, and he was excluded. Thu 19 Feb 2009 20:54:39 GMT+1 publiusdetroit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=68#comment62 It appears from the news conference with Prime Minister Harper and President Obama, our two nations will be able to work together in a useful way as we face this economic crisis together.Thank you Canada for the out-pouring of admiration and support you showed our President. Thu 19 Feb 2009 20:49:51 GMT+1 U13817236 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=67#comment61 A fawning foreign correspondent is just like an American Express card to an egotistical president. Don't leave home without him! Glad Obama invited you along on his expedition to the North country. Maybe you can mush the huskies for him. Or at least mush his waffly words. The Times piece made one important point that not only applies to science but to the whole Obama phenom in general. Bulls**t Barack is deft at "making all the right noises" but "he hasn't done a lot yet." Expect that to be the theme for the next four years. Plently of "noise" about 'hope' and 'change' but not much done to alter the status quo. The latest bogus bailout and murky stimulus bills are heavily skewed in favor of propping up the corporate establishment. Restoring science to "its rightful place" will likely follow suit. Obama has already promised to double military R & D, one of the chief roles of science in the U.S. And you can be sure that the fruits of other publically funded research will be turned over to private corporations to profit from. Anyhow, America was certainly a better place for at least a few hours, with Obama Copacabana and his favorite foreign correspondent out of the country. Thu 19 Feb 2009 20:33:46 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=66#comment60 Americans (#56) are notoriously bad at geography! Thu 19 Feb 2009 20:31:17 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=65#comment59 Obama has come to reassure Canadians that the US will not become protectionist.Some Canadians have mistakenly thought that Obama wanted to use only US products to rebuild the US infrastructure. Right now Canadian steel factories are laying people off. Canadians desperately want to supply steel to the US So Obama says the US will honor any treaties (NAFTA) ..which is code for ...yes the US will buy Canadian steelBut Canadians are worried about any renegotiation of NAFTA.(Bush's first speech I believe ...outside of America after leaving office was or will be in Alberta.) Thu 19 Feb 2009 20:24:13 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=64#comment58 Press conferences sure take a long time in Canada. Repetait, s'il vous plait. Thu 19 Feb 2009 20:07:46 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=63#comment57 #49, yes, a person born outside the US one of whom's parents is a US citizen (having lived in the US for five years), is a "natural born" US citizen for the purpose of running for US President.Here's a link to a discussion of one of the most famous US citizens in this category:http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=759 Thu 19 Feb 2009 19:50:22 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=62#comment56 To whom is "core999" (#52) directing his remarks? Justin's prior thread on the subject of evolution arose out of a poll on the subject, which was taken up as a point for discussion. This was the most popular thread in recent months, judging by the number of posts. No need to get worked up about it, or bash Mr. Webb for starting a lively discussion.It should be on the other thread, but here's a link to a discussion of the Gallup poll results on the subject:http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/current/creation/evol-poll.htm Thu 19 Feb 2009 19:34:01 GMT+1 BienvenueEnLouisiana http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=61#comment55 On a side note, is Ottawa a separate district like D.C. or just a part of Quebec?I also heard recently that D.C.s rep. in Congress will soon have the ability to vote, something the district has previously never been able have sense they are not a state.Oh, and California's budget passed by a margin of 1 (R) vote; the terms of the agree for his vote: oil tax increase 12cents lower, freeze on all future legislative pay raises in years that the budget is not balanced, and a switch to an open election system of general election + runoff between top 2 candidates. Thu 19 Feb 2009 19:31:43 GMT+1 BienvenueEnLouisiana http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=60#comment54 I watched the video feed of Pres. Obama and the Canadian Prime Minister walking side by side and shaking hands with the people who appear to be Canadian justices.Were they inside the Canadian Parliament building? I must say that the architecture was stunning--a very different style than the US Congress building, but just as inspiring. Thu 19 Feb 2009 19:17:47 GMT+1 gunsandreligion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=58#comment53 #52, "nor an American" - Thank Goodness Thu 19 Feb 2009 19:11:31 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=57#comment52 Oi, publius, I'm only 100 miles south of BC. I can assure you that -2C is positively hot. Thu 19 Feb 2009 19:04:00 GMT+1 core999 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=56#comment51 Your generalization of people and their beliefs is narrow minded. Where do you even get your statistics from 25% of americans are creationists, etc. Im supposed to assume because you threw some random percentage or number at me im supposed to believe it? One video on you tube suddenly means all Canadians love Obama. All creationists are simple folk from down south that have apparently have no education(I've read more than one of your posts). Canadians freezing in canada? It's not like we've been here for a 100 years already or anything. Guess your probably sipping on tea through your disfigured yellow teeth then? Isnt that just hilarious that i used a moronic comment to generalize your entire country? These posts are almost as annoying as reading the condescending "ethical man" hypocrite reports about how hes to save Americans from their ignorant 20 billions tonnes(or something like that, im not reading that post again) of C02 produced by every single American. By flying a plane there(doesn't that produce C02?) and supposedly taking public transportation which i highly doubt if you expect to get a legitimate view of the entire country and how it handles its C02 emissions in a month. Also i am not a creationist nor an American I'm assuming i will be labeled as one or the other or both. Thu 19 Feb 2009 18:37:40 GMT+1 publiusdetroit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=55#comment50 While watching the Obama arrival on Parliment Hill I heard a CBC reporter say it was a real cold day; -2C. Sounds kind of warm to me. She must have been from BC. Thu 19 Feb 2009 18:13:16 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=54#comment49 No more getting into the local culture for me."don't califonicate Oregon" washington had a similar Champaign when I lived in Seattle Thu 19 Feb 2009 18:10:41 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=53#comment48 45where r you now?Lol I did say that slipping in works(thereby pointing out the foreignness to the state.) As to being a natural born of the US. ah "so now you cange your tune. was it not I that spent a long time explaining that I am not natural born only to be told by so many (were you one) that as I have an american parent I was.Guns you better be holding some weed or they might think you a fake.I'm sure the vet look will work, after all being a third world state we have many who enlisted to earn a crust that have returned here. Thu 19 Feb 2009 17:56:41 GMT+1 publiusdetroit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=52#comment47 Ref 43 chronophobeAnd timewaits, I see you didn't contradict me re: honking in Montreal!I would rather hear the horns of Montreal than see the digital signals we use here in the States. Far more harmonious. Thu 19 Feb 2009 17:49:32 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=51#comment46 Timewaits, "So without his input I am reserving judgment on Michael Ignatieff."As a matter of critical unimportance, his brother retired nearby some dozen years ago. He and I share interests and activism in Community Forestry....Scotland's the wurruld's biggest village! Thu 19 Feb 2009 17:38:40 GMT+1 gunsandreligion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=50#comment45 43, chronophobe, you must have a dirty mind.But, I am sorry if I gave you another reason tofear time. Perhaps that's why it's called "Neverland."And, BTW, if I had a house that was worth$2M right now, I would sell it and put the cashinto one of those nifty little medallions whichyou are hawking. Thu 19 Feb 2009 17:37:14 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=48#comment44 Ironic that someone who apparently is not even a natural born North American presumes to speak for Oregonians and Washingtonians.I am the real Oregonian here, but I don't claim to speak for Oregonians generally. Thu 19 Feb 2009 17:21:16 GMT+1 gunsandreligion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=47#comment43 41, thank you happy for letting me in. Now, howdo I disguise myself as a North-Westerner. I know!!I'll drift into town in my army jacket and annoythe sheriff by showing off my survival skills.That ought to do it. Thu 19 Feb 2009 17:21:03 GMT+1 chronophobe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=46#comment42 La Chaudiere is like Ottawa's secret heart.Hidden by industrial development, ignored by tour guides, it's still there. An interesting image of the falls, painted from about where Parliament stands today, here. Contrast to a contemporary photo here.As the poster formerly known as Ed points out (what's up with that, BTW?), the river used to carry timber from forests that would cover an area half the size of France to the mills. It would then power those mills and turn the logs into lumber and paper in the bargain. Before Ottawa was ever a bureaucratic town, it was a brawling, bawdy lumber town. A bit more on that here.The scale of the logging was such, that there is a modern industry based on the recovery and reclamation of the tiny percentage of logs which, during the course of the drives, would every year sink to the bottom of the river. More on that here.I'd like to discuss Trudeau, as Publius suggests, but must back to my toil. Later.And timewaits, I see you didn't contradict me re: honking in Montreal!And guns, big hand on the little hand , ugggggggh! And BTW, you should see the housing prices in and around Vancouver. 2 million bucks is not bad for a nice house in West Van, e.g.YoursOttawa Pinko Thu 19 Feb 2009 16:47:30 GMT+1 Andy Post http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=45#comment41 Probably too late, but Justin, be sure to observe the correct pronunciation of Ottawa: Ah-ta-wah, not Ah-ta-wuh. Americans always get it wrong.I learned that watching the NHL network. Thu 19 Feb 2009 16:25:32 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=44#comment40 36 ed and soon you will be able to mention "fanny pack"(bum bag in the UK) without causing a stir.Guns please shut up. that's for us Oregonians and Washingtonians. them Californians can have the wasteland we leave behind. (you of course are always welcome to slip in as a north-westerner. I managed) Thu 19 Feb 2009 16:09:08 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=43#comment39 36 Temporarily Ed IglehartEddy? Thu 19 Feb 2009 16:04:22 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=42#comment38 chronophobeI must apologize again for my remarks about Alberta. Made me question where my opinions came from. I made the mistake of reading CBC comments during the Fiscal Update fiasco and was appalled and astounded by most of the statements made by my fellow Canadians from all across the country. Albertans either identified themselves or spoke of "their oil money." So I'll blame it on them! It's their fault!! No really, I had much sympathy for the ones who quietly said, "We are not all like that." I should have spent more time listening to them. I promise to do so in the future. Thu 19 Feb 2009 16:01:35 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=41#comment37 no rash. not having a go at you. but no one wants to tell americans how to vote. they wish that america could make better decisions on their ownand reserve the right to not be overly polite to those that say" STUFF YOU I'm having it my way".which is what has happened for rather a long time now and as Gherkin points out even under the Dems.Kyoto really did piss many around the world off.from a Europeans perspective, that is. Thu 19 Feb 2009 16:01:24 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=40#comment36 26 publiusdetroit I so admire Pierre Trudeau. Even when he was in retirement many Canadians, including myself, would wait to hear what he had to say before forming an opinion. So without his input I am reserving judgment on Michael Ignatieff. Thu 19 Feb 2009 15:50:46 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=38#comment35 Timewaits, "As we say in Quebec, point final! (French meaning Period!)."or, as my neighbours say, "Full stop!" "Period" being slightly rude (tee hee). Sadly, my neighbours have begun to 'run' for office and say 'period' and unconsciously adopt many 'mercanisms...soon our cars will have trunks and mufflers and drink gas (physically rather difficult ;-))...Guns, "British Columbia could be the new California!"God(s) forbid such Californication! And manual jokes, no less....I remember Ottawa from a childhood visit. We went up s high tower and looked down on millions of floating logs like matchsticks, and destined to become matchsticks in a company bearing my name (in diminutive form)...;-(ed Thu 19 Feb 2009 15:08:03 GMT+1 bere54 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=37#comment34 22, chrono -Nobody told us about any ghosts, nor did I encounter any. But I was fully prepared to, having once encountered a ghost in a castle/hostel in Scotland. Did not see the waterfall, though did wander up to the parliament buildings. I didn't know there was a waterfall. I do not go to see particular things when I travel, but instead just wander ignorantly and see what I find, if that makes any sense. One often misses important things this way, but always finds interesting things. We did not have much time in Ottawa because we were passing through on our way out and back. Thu 19 Feb 2009 15:05:11 GMT+1 Jeremy P http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=36#comment33 Meh. Ottawa isn't cold. Come here to Regina and experience the "true (blue) north". Thu 19 Feb 2009 14:35:10 GMT+1 freeclench http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=35#comment32 #13, NoRashDecisions wrote:"As the creationists leave America for more congenial foreign countries (joke!)"And it is not funny in the least!!! Again, here you are, aragantly acting as though not one creationist believer resides in one foreign country!! I chastised you over this on your '"Creationism Verses Evolutionism" entry and I am chastising you on it again!! Please do try to be a bit more objective in your observations of the comparisons of the United States and the rest of the world in the future. I beg you!!With Republicans comparing their obstructionism of Obama's stimulus package to the Taliban insurgency, and the neocon desire to drive this country into a third-world economic disaster, perhaps Mr. Webb has unwittingly hit on a good solution. I do dearly hope that this is just yet [..] your sense of humor and not your expression of your subscription to that age-old adage of Americans being so stupid that they can't even point out their own country and/or Canada on a map!!! [..] just be thankful Obama isn't pulling a Bush and bucking one of the oldest historical traditions of this nation (for a new president to always visit Canada on their first foreign trip,) one which Bush shunned when as a new president he first went to Mexico!! Perhaps he got the two confused?Huh.-FreeClench Thu 19 Feb 2009 14:34:06 GMT+1 watermanaquarius http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=34#comment31 Justin .Thinking and doing a miles apart.I do not believe that there will be any great rush for US research scientists to leave Canada and return 'home'.Better the test-tube you know than the one you don't, especially with the present enconomic climate.Despite the snow, the grass is still green beneath it.. Researchers are not sporting prima-donnas selling their services because of a limited playing career and would hope that money is not always everything as shown here Thu 19 Feb 2009 11:53:01 GMT+1 watermanaquarius http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=33#comment30 Justin .Thinking and doing are miles apart.I do not believe that there will be any great rush for US research scientists to leave Canada and return 'home'.Better the test-tube you know than the one you don't, especially with the present economic climate.Despite the snow, the grass is still green beneath it.. Researchers are not sporting prima-donnas selling their services because of a limited playing career and one would hope that money is not always everything, as shown hereHow dare they be a "non-profit" organisation. It goes against the grain. Thu 19 Feb 2009 10:52:35 GMT+1 british-ish http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=32#comment29 13, NoRashDecisions wrote:"As the creationists leave America for more congenial foreign countries (joke!)"And it is not funny in the least!!!But I thought creationism is a joke.You mean I wasn't supposed to laugh?(btw, 300 divided by 31 is 9 and a bit. Your idea about percentages is a bit out, too. If four Brits out of two hundred foreign posters find a joke funny, that's the same as if it was one Canadian laughing out of fifty . . Doesn't mean they have more of a sense of humour . . .Oh, and guns -- They don't know there are two 12-o-clocks in the day?Wouldn't surprise me. I've begun to have certain suspicions about the American education system of late . . . ) Thu 19 Feb 2009 09:29:05 GMT+1 gunsandreligion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=31#comment28 #15, chronophobe, I just happened to think ofa property on the Central Coast of California thatmight be perfect for you.Neverland went into foreclosure a while back.You might want to wander by and check it out.It comes with a special clock that tells everybodywhen it is bed-time. That happens when thebig hand is on the little hand.Just trying to be helpful... Thu 19 Feb 2009 07:48:16 GMT+1 ladycm http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=30#comment27 19. At 03:19am on 19 Feb 2009, timewaitsfornoman wrote:"We had to depend upon the American voters to speak on our behalf. I do not know if the voters truly understood the burden they were carrying. We tried to tell them through our protests of the invasion of Iraq".Don't forget, us Americans carry the burden too. It's my former president that started this war and regular Americans were constantly blamed for it's start even though many of us were very upset with the decision in the first place. Having said that, Canada; don't try to steal our president! Thu 19 Feb 2009 07:11:33 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=28#comment26 timewaits #19,Thanks for the response. I don't know, perhaps Canadians are on the whole more involved with government than Americans, or then again perhaps it just seems that way because Canada has roughly 1/5th our population size (31 million to 300 million,) and perhaps the same percentage of people in each country are involved and pashonit about politics, only it seems like more Canadians are because there are simply fewer people in your population than the US. Just a guess. I really don't know so don't hold me to it or take any offense. Perhaps we can look into it?I am glad to learn that you are so involved and pashonit about politics (as am I) and I am all too acutely aware of the (in my opinion) many times impossible burden layed upon our shoulders as the world's super power to try to make the world's citizens a bit happier. I'm sure a lot of American voters feel the same way I do, and especially when they go to vote!! Although I think there are two main schools of thought in this country. On the one hand, we are aware of the impact a president's decisions has on the rest of the world and want to do right by it, but on the other, many people feel that it is not a foreigner's right to tell an American how to vote. I, as you probably know, am a firm subscriber to the former school of thought!! Although I can understand where the others are coming from. And in any other circumstance I would agree with them! But I feel its a trade off. If one is going to live in the world's most powerful nation, then they are going to need to take advice from foreigners on how to vote. Period. If they don't like then they should move to a less powerful nation there they will surely be bothered less because that nation's actions won't affect the world as much as the US does.I offer my sincerest apoligies for the hell we have dragged you, and the rest of the world through over the past 8 years, but I want you to know it wasn't just Canadians who protest!! Millions of Americans protested against the start of the Iraq war but to no avail there!! And also just know, whatever hell Bush dragged you through, its nothing compared to the struggles and the battles that he embroylled this domestic audience!!Thanks again Thu 19 Feb 2009 05:39:33 GMT+1 publiusdetroit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=27#comment25 Ref 25 timewaitsfornoman and chronophobe.I do not know your feelings for Pierre Trudeau; but I think the Liberals need someone like him to run in the next election.Am I wide of the mark? Thu 19 Feb 2009 05:22:56 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=26#comment24 chronophobe"timewaits keeps saying bad, bad things about . . . "I apologized profusely! Changing my wording to: "...with the exception of chronophobe, etc." But I'm not falling for it. I know your views on PM Harper. It is not my fault Alberta continues to vote Conservative! I used to wonder, if they want to be better represented in Parliament, why not vote Liberal? Seemed like an easy solution to me. Thu 19 Feb 2009 04:46:49 GMT+1 publiusdetroit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=25#comment23 Ref 20 timewaitsfornomanWe don't make that kind of fuss over just anyone.Are you sure? I get that same kind of welcome everytime I cross the border! LOL!What fun! When Obama sees how beautiful Ottawa is, he may not want to leave. I loved it there so much on my first visit, it drew me back in the winter just so I could skate the canal. Thu 19 Feb 2009 04:43:03 GMT+1 rmcturnan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=24#comment22 Well I voted for McCain. What Obama's presidency is gonna be like? Too early to tell.I've traveled quite a bit in Canada and Thunder Bay, Ont is still my favorite place, except for the winters of course.Anyway I'm reserving judgement of Obama. Within a year we should have a pretty good idea of what kind of president he will be.WilliamMissouri, USA Thu 19 Feb 2009 04:41:08 GMT+1 chronophobe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=23#comment21 bere,Oddywa it is. Though I am, by birth, one of those awful Albertans timewaits keeps saying bad, bad things about . . . That is a great hostel you stayed at. Speaking of haunting, did they tell you it was the site of Canada's last hanging? And about the ghosts? Ghosts notwithstanding, Ottawa is pretty much a quiet town. It is a beautiful spot, though. I love the rivers, and the canal. The Ottawa river in particular has made its way into my heart. Did you see La Chaudiere? It is a huge waterfall just upstream from the parliament buildings. Almost invisible because of a (recently mothballed) paper mill. When I get tired of the quiet here, I go to Montreal. Lots of honking there. Cheers,Pinko Thu 19 Feb 2009 03:35:54 GMT+1 gunsandreligion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=22#comment20 #15, regrettably, no. But, there are some verynice places nearby the locations that you mentionedwhich are quite affordable now. Try Orcutt or Atascadero, for example.But, you never know. Those Santa Barbaramansions might come down from $4m to $2m.And, if you wait a while, what with global warmingand all, British Columbia could be the new California! Thu 19 Feb 2009 03:33:51 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=21#comment19 Jeebers76I believe that video was made prior to the election. And to be honest was an indication of our hope that we would see a Democrat in the White House.What happens in the US affects us greatly and the last eight years have not been that smooth between our two countries. It was a demonstration of our desire to return to our traditional friendly relations. We don't make that kind of fuss over just anyone. So we would appreciate it if you would try to vote for candidates we approve of. Said jokingly! Your comment is not offensive at all. Thu 19 Feb 2009 03:33:28 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=20#comment18 NoRashDecisionsI do not know how true this is, but I do believe Canadians are more involved in the political progress. Maybe I think that way because I am. Although the turnout for the last election does not indicate this. I really do not feel comfortable telling anyone other than a fellow Canadian what I think they should do. What I will say is that many things have happened in the US over the past eight years that affected the entire world. We had to depend upon the American voters to speak on our behalf. I do not know if the voters truly understood the burden they were carrying. We tried to tell them through our protests of the invasion of Iraq.I belong to The Angus Reid Forum which is a major polling company in Canada. We are regularly asked: In any upcoming election how likely are you to vote? Definitely - Probably - Maybe - etc. I answer "Definitely" every time and I will. Every member of my extended family votes in every election. Municipal, Provincial, Federal. Without fail. And should our candidate win, we expect them to do what they promised to do. As we say in Quebec, point final! (French meaning Period!). If they do not we are more than willing to let them know we are displeased. Although I can only speak for my own Province.No, everyone does not protest. But the ones who feel passionate about it do. Thu 19 Feb 2009 03:19:43 GMT+1 Jeebers76 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=18#comment17 I guess all the fuss made me feel a mite self-conscious... Thu 19 Feb 2009 02:51:04 GMT+1 Jeebers76 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=17#comment16 11,I found it embarrassing that there was so much attention paid to the US Prez, it was very flowery, do you know what I mean?The video was so loving, I guess I got too much sugar introduced into my system. So, I blushed. I happen to be American, very midwest, in fact. That much fuss over a few hours' worth of visit? Uhm, gee, I guess I'm flattered that we're getting all the love, but it is a bit....much I think.Not intended to offend any Canadians.... Thu 19 Feb 2009 02:49:31 GMT+1 bere54 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=16#comment15 10, chrono -I take it you live in Ottawa? I spent a few days there about four years ago, and while I am definitely not a city-loving person, I was very impressed with it. I was there with my daughter and we stayed in a hostel that was a former jail (not a lot of privacy because the cells still had bars instead of solid doors), and had great falafel (something lacking on this corner of Vermont), and haunted the outdoor market. It was so quiet, for a city, and I finally realized there were no honking horns. Is this a Canadian thing? I wouldn't mind going for another visit. It's only a four-hour drive from here, so maybe someday . . . Thu 19 Feb 2009 02:24:18 GMT+1 chronophobe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=15#comment14 re: 12 gNr Earthquake Activity in the Mammoth Lakes AreaNow that's one reason not to live in California. On the other hand, I could ride my bike all year long. And paddle. And sail. Sigh. So, have real estate prices in, say, Santa Barbara, come out of the stratosphere yet? I might even settle for San Luis Obispo. Cheers,Pinko Thu 19 Feb 2009 02:20:51 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=14#comment13 timewaitsfornoman,I'm curious. I responded to your post #359 on the '"Creationism V. Evolutionism" entry (my post is #399.) I read through the posts up until #680 or so, and of yours I didn't see a response to mine. Since the posts are now over 1000, I don't have the time nor the pationts to read through all your remaining ones to see if you had seen mine. So can you please respond to it on this thread?In addition to that post, I would like to say that I continue to stand in aww at the passion Canadians have for, and participation they have in their government, but surely you don't believe that every person who aposes a law being passed or what have you, is on the streets protesting are you?Thanks Thu 19 Feb 2009 02:09:14 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=13#comment12 "As the creationists leave America for more congenial foreign countries (joke!)"And it is not funny in the least!!! Again, here you are, aragantly acting as though not one creationist believer resides in one foreign country!! I chastised you over this on your '"Creationism Verses Evolutionism" entry and I am chastising you on it again!! Please do try to be a bit more objective in your observations of the comparisons of the United States and the rest of the world in the future. I beg you!!"The Obama visit is oddly short - six hours in Canada. I suspect he thought it was on the way back from Phoenix to DC and has only just seen the map." I do dearly hope that this is just yet another atempt at conveying in writing your sense of humor and not your expression of your subscription to that age-old adage of Americans being so stupid that they can't even point out their own country and/or Canada on a map!!! Don't get me wrong I'm sure you have a wonderful sense of humor!! Its just that it is near impossible for even the best comedians to convey the same message through a written joke as aposed to through a spoken one. So for some advice, its probably just best if you reserved the jokes for your TV broadcasts."If millions of Canadians freeze trying to catch a glimpse of him this could turn out to be a disaster..."No I don't think anyone wants that!! But just be thankful Obama isn't pulling a Bush and bucking one of the oldest historical traditions of this nation (for a new president to always visit Canada on their first foreign trip,) one which Bush shunned when as a new president he first went to Mexico!! Perhaps he got the two confused? Thu 19 Feb 2009 01:51:26 GMT+1 gunsandreligion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=12#comment11 Perhaps those scientists are not headed herebecause of funding at all! Once upon a time, Gary Larson drew a cartoonshowing 3 or 4 middle aged, balding men withgoatee beards relaxing in a hot tub, and entitledit something like: "California Scientists Investigating Earthquake Activity in the Mammoth Lakes Area." Thu 19 Feb 2009 01:44:07 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=11#comment10 Go to the comments at the bottom of the linked article, there are some video links that are worth watching.Jeebers76"kinda embarrassing"I'm wondering why you say that?frayedcatYour post is very amusing. I hope for your sake he does.happylazeThat's Canadian Spirit! Thu 19 Feb 2009 01:34:31 GMT+1 chronophobe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=10#comment9 Welcome to Ottawa, Justin!The weather is actually not that bad: some 15cm of fresh snow should be down and/or softly falling, but a raw East wind, I'm afraid. Wear a good jacket and a toque (unless you're on camera --ah heck, wear it anyway -- very apropos . . . ). I'm working from home tomorrow, as downtown is become an armed camp. As this link our local rag makes clear, there will not be much chance to see Himself. But that's OK. Nice for the neighbors to drop by. BTW, if you have the time, take a walk (or if you've got the skill,or at least the nerve, rent some skates) on the Rideau canal. Have a beaver tail. If you're staying the night, there is a concert at the National Arts Centre I can highly recommend. Maybe I'll see you there.Cheers,Ottawa Pinko Thu 19 Feb 2009 01:12:45 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=8#comment8 Class.Video.Entertainment finally. that 's the spirit. Justin.As a Briterican in the US I can only pray that your Joke comes true. Thu 19 Feb 2009 00:56:31 GMT+1 saintDominick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=7#comment7 Enjoy the trip! President Obama's visit is purely symbolic and highlights the close trade and cultural relationship between the two countries. The situation at home is so precarious that lengthy junkets are out of the question. The President should ask our trading partners - and creditors - for a coordinated effort to solve the ongoing crisis. Unfortunately, our problems are so serious that barring massive foreign investment or debt write offs several sectors of our economy are most likely going to collapse within the next few months.IMO we may have no choice but to bail out GM tand Chrysler again, but something must be done to compensate the taxpayers since it is unlikely we will ever get any of our money back from those defunct corporations. Maybe we should get a credit towards the purchase of our next car commensurate to the amount we invested in December and whatever we end up giving them now to keep them afloat. Problem is, who wants to buy a GM or Chrysler product? Thu 19 Feb 2009 00:36:28 GMT+1 Andy Post http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=6#comment6 Canadians and Americans have a pretty special relationship. They know what's going on in the U.S. as well as Americans do (and much more than the British, I'm discovering). They certainly know Obama is ridiculously busy. I sure that Canadians will recognize this for what it is: a cursory tip of the hat to our northern neighbors. Yes, they're getting the once over lightly, but they also know that if they need to, Ottawa can get Washington's attention with nothing more than a phone call. Thu 19 Feb 2009 00:14:51 GMT+1 Jeebers76 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=5#comment5 I thought the video clip was kinda embarrassing to this American poster.... It left me blushing a little.The bit about the potential flow of scientists back to the USA after a sojourn in Canada is a bit premature, isn't it, Mr Webb? We don't even know how all of Obama's policies are going to sort out yet. Wed 18 Feb 2009 23:32:51 GMT+1 BienvenueEnLouisiana http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=4#comment4 I certainly hope millions of Canadians dont freeze to death in order to get a glimpse of Pres. Obama, that would be horrific, though given the location of their country Id bet they and Obama are more used to the cold than the people of D.C. Wed 18 Feb 2009 23:08:54 GMT+1 frayedcat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=3#comment3 Long enough for him to get a copy of their national health care laws and then hoof it back to DC to make copies. Awright by me. And isn't that why God created the Cincinnati suburbs - of course it must be, because there they are. Wed 18 Feb 2009 23:00:33 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=2#comment2 Well.... I'm astounded by the coverage! Justin Webb coming to Canada, with that other guy. I do not know what "freeze trying to catch a glimpse of him" means... we are used to it.I love the song and if there are any questions regarding the images, just ask.We are honoured to have President Obama visit. We are all in this together and we know it. He will get a very warm welcome. If you hear any boos they are for our Prime Minister! Wed 18 Feb 2009 22:54:39 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=1#comment1 Not so odd. The days are shorter up north in the winter, aren't they? Wed 18 Feb 2009 22:32:34 GMT+1 hms_shannon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/02/north_of_the_border.html?page=0#comment0 He visited the best, first... Wed 18 Feb 2009 22:30:49 GMT+1