Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html en-gb 30 Sun 28 Dec 2014 08:19:14 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html dennisjunior1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=99#comment207 Justin Webb:UPDATE1)CIA PICK: It took some work on the part of the Obama Administration, but, the CIA...Finally has a head of the organisation....2)I see the Obama team are planning to get a TV doctor - albeit a well qualified one - to lead the nation's medical care. Which he, never accepted the nomination, and withdrew his name from consideration~Dennis Junior~ Fri 27 Mar 2009 02:33:47 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=99#comment206 #203. chronophobe - Thanks for that!#205. TimothyR444 "I am so sorry you have had to put up with these contemptious and unasked-for lectures on your ability to write."'contemptuous', please, or we shall be commenting on your own literacy. Sun 11 Jan 2009 21:28:23 GMT+1 TimothyR444 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=98#comment205 british-ish:Mind you, if squirrelposts suddenly start getting referred to the mods, we shall know who to blame, won't we?Certainly not.When I disagree I do it in a forthright manner. I have no intention of reporting squirrel posts. Have at it, by all means.It is interesting to note that you place your posts on this blog in the company of Swift and Orwell. A bit much, don't you think?As for the comments about yahoos and nuts: once again, that's very amusing indeed, but I prefer my insults served up straight, without the combination of acid and sugar syrup... Sun 11 Jan 2009 07:12:04 GMT+1 TimothyR444 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=98#comment204 norashdecisions:"No I don't want to be "lumped" into that group of 37 million illiterate Americans, but I guess I have no choice do I? You, for one, will always think the worst of me despite my best efforts to explain my positions on issues and why I hold such views."Good gosh - I am so sorry you have had to put up with these contemptious and unasked-for lectures on your ability to write.You posts are most certainly not illiterate. Ignore them and keep writing. Sun 11 Jan 2009 07:07:19 GMT+1 british-ish http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=97#comment203 201. TimothyR444 wrote:What is all the nonsense about squirrels, and why are these posts allowed on a discussion forum?The squirrels' response:We wholeheartedly agree. Animal Farm is a silly tale about "precious and cute and adorable" animals and also "irrelevant and more than a little twee." And, of course Swift's Modest Proposaladvocates, perfectly justifiably, cannibalism as a solution to overpopulation.Hint.We can recognise a Yahoo when we see one, and we aren't talking about the one with the exclamation mark either.We are also very good at spotting nuts."(Message ends.)Mind you, if squirrelposts suddenly start getting referred to the mods, we shall know who to blame, won't we? Sun 11 Jan 2009 07:03:17 GMT+1 chronophobe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=97#comment202 NoRashDecisions,I am picking up the fag end of the discussion here (the local smithy taught me this expression!), but apropos your spelling difficulties, I would have to say I agree substantially with Mr. Cunard. I don't mean to suggest by this that you should feel your posts are not welcome. To the contrary, they are appreciated and interesting. But why not work out the worst of the spelling difficulties, particularly because it is just so darn easy? Whether we like it or not, our writing style (including spelling) can often speak as loudly as the content we wish to convey. It is analogous to our physical appearance in face to face conversation; in a perfect world, perhaps, it would not matter how we appear, and we would be judged solely on what we say. The reality is, however, often very different. Look serious, and you are halfway (maybe better!) to being taken seriously. I know this is only a blog, but it is as good a place as any to put on your game face, and improve your writing. Of course, if you are in a hurry, and have something you just have to say, then by all means let it rip as is! Yours,Canadian Pinko Sun 11 Jan 2009 01:58:16 GMT+1 TimothyR444 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=96#comment201 I just noticed that Sam Donaldson is described as "always sensible".Justin Webb is such a gracious, thoughtful man that it is hardly fair to quibble. But he might want to at least reconsider this observation about Donaldson.Donaldson is very well known for being extremely eccentric and self-absorbed. Whether he is also sensible seems open to question.... Sun 11 Jan 2009 00:56:22 GMT+1 TimothyR444 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=96#comment200 What is all the nonsense about squirrels, and why are these posts allowed on a discussion forum?I know - it is precious and cute and adorable. But it is also irrelevant and more than a little twee. Sun 11 Jan 2009 00:37:44 GMT+1 TimothyR444 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=95#comment199 Romestu:"It really doesn't help to bring in words like EVIL into serious debate. "Too absurd. One must use only relativist language to describe world events? That is the very essence of political correctness, isn't it?No thank you. I do not intend to adapt to this short of shallow, fatuous corruption of language. Debate and discussion become impossible. Sun 11 Jan 2009 00:34:50 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=95#comment198 #196. happylaze: "DC as you may know I have taken great effort to spell incorrectly at all times."Since it is the printed word (visual image?) we see, it is virtually impossible to tell if such things are deliberate or not. When British-ish suddenly writes in "scribble" we assume he's being humourous, but when it's constant, there's no way of knowing. With NRD I can't tell whether she's being deliberately obtuse or whether it comes naturally - same with jacksforge posts. I assume MagicK just doesn't bother to make the effort.By the way, I never suggested that Obama or Rev Wright were terrorists - Obama did have a problem with his pastor because of the inflammatory nature of what he said: "God damn America" wasn't the best phrase to come out of his mouth. If you look back, I believe you'll find it was the right-wing zealots who really pushed the issue - O'Reilly beat it into the ground. Sat 10 Jan 2009 18:35:12 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=94#comment197 It's leg of lamb tonight. I'm just glad that Mr Park came up with Shaun rather than Sean. Sat 10 Jan 2009 18:09:03 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=94#comment196 happylazeOne good thing about the Wright controversy. It helped stop the rumor that Obama was a Muslim.Basically they were looking for anything to defeat Obama. He's a Muslim, he's an extremist Christian, he's a socialist, he's a communist, he's anti American etc...Its a good thing for any person to know as many different people as possible...and to treat them with dignity is admirable. Sat 10 Jan 2009 17:35:37 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=93#comment195 167 DC as you may know I have taken great effort to spell incorrectly at all times.The Jacksforge posts were rarely without a spelling mistake and when an argument was not going someone's way, out would come the Grammar trolls.Again and again this blog is attacked by a party of marauding trolls from over some border.Claiming the content is wrong or spurious or a waste of time and not worth listening to because the writer forgot a letter .It is a sad thing that this happens and I for one am glad that at every occasion the Grammar trolls get sent packing.On to the liitle animal eaters I have simialr problems but until I eat a bug i know I cannot get all Upset by them that does. Sat 10 Jan 2009 17:28:35 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=93#comment194 137 DC on Wright. Obama has a problem living down the hype brought out by the CLINTON team about the Rev who said nothing wrong , just said it while being a black guy in front of other black folk and that made a bunch of american white folk get a little unsettled.Shame Obama, had to win and had to disconnect because you and yours at THAT time were berating him for being a terrorist ,as opposed to the sweet smelling Hillary.Or can I go back to purposefully calling her Hillery Sat 10 Jan 2009 17:17:51 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=92#comment193 #191.bethpa: "According to the NY Times people in Britain are now eating squirrels..sigh"Just as bad, I read that in China there are now dog and cat farms where the creatures are raised just for their meat. I have difficulty with beef (those big soulful eyes . . .) let alone the smaller and cuter animals. What next - hamster and gerbil on the plate? Sat 10 Jan 2009 17:09:40 GMT+1 british-ish http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=92#comment192 191.I can assure you, though I would possibly try (grey) squirrel pie if it were to help my (red) friends regain their homelands, I can assure you I have never seen squirrel steaks, pies or pates in the supermarkets.I have more than a suspicion that this story was put about by someone who thought he had found a way to make a pound or two and get rid of a few otherwise useless dead squirrels. Or just found a way to get a bit of publicity for a market.You don't even see rabbits much (and I like rabbit.) Of course, given the economic crisis, this may change, but I still don't really expect squirrels to be hunted in Hyde Park by office workers on their way home . . . Sat 10 Jan 2009 16:46:26 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=91#comment191 Panetta is principled and tough...and smart Sat 10 Jan 2009 16:03:20 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=91#comment190 british-ishThank you for the very amusing reply. : )According to the NY Times people in Britain are now eating squirrels..sighhttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/dining/07squirrel.html?"Saving a Squirrel by Eating One""With literally millions of squirrels rampaging throughout England, Scotland and Wales at any given time, squirrels need to be controlled by culls."Poor little squirrels... I could never eat one of them... Sat 10 Jan 2009 16:02:19 GMT+1 RomeStu http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=90#comment189 TimothyR @184"Evil really does exist in the world. The idea of a very weak and passive USA is extremely popular in Europe, and especially in Britain, but those who support a CIA of soft, nice, sweet, warm, kindly people who are politically correct in every way may not work out as well as they might think."It really doesn't help to bring in words like EVIL into serious debate. Take Gaza - it is evil for Hamas it rocket Israel and randomly kill civilians. It is also evil for Israel to use white phosphorous on Gaza and randomly kill civilians. Real debate does need words like evil. It is subjective.Again, I am NOT an apologist for terrorists - just a realist who sees that simply carrying on as we are is only fuelling their recruitment drive.Neither am I (or anyone else really) suggesting the USA be "weak and passive" (your words). As stated before, we should follow our own laws in order to defend ourselves.We should also engage in dialogue wherever and whenever possible. I grew up in London in the 70s/80s with occasional IRA bombs and frequentIRA bomb scares .... back then no one would have dreamt of talking to Sein Fein.Then finally the British Government stopped the illegal policy of internment and opened dialogue (ably aided by the Americans - there, I credit you something). If the USA could understand that lesson then, why has it lost its memory?(or was Ireland just a guilt trip as NorAid had been funding the IRA for decades?)Oh, and do you really think Panetta is "soft, nice, sweet, warm and kindly" (your words) Sat 10 Jan 2009 09:59:11 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=90#comment188 #187. NoRashDecisions: "No I don't want to be "lumped" into that group of 37 million illiterate Americans, but I guess I have no choice do I?"Of course you do; a fifty-year old African-American learnt to read for the first time ever, so it's never too late to improve. But you don't seem motivated to get it right, the tools are readily available so why not use them? It's the failure to take advantage of what is offered you which is, to use your own word, "stupid" - although not one which I would have chosen. WatermanA managed to download Safari so what's your problem? If it was a question of finances I'd understand, but since it is not - such downloads are free - I cannot understand why you would continue to write as you do.With regard to your question - if your writing as it has appeared here is a sample of what "high Bs" are, then there's something wrong with the grading system. The fact that you are in the top 85/89% certainly does not give me confidence in the ability of your tutors. Someone of 22 should have been able to leave school and spell correctly; that you cannot really does not say much for American education. Unfortunately you are the victim because apparently no-one pushed you to do better, which obviously you could do if you made even the slightest effort.#188. british-ish - Are those red or grey squirrels? Sat 10 Jan 2009 07:03:40 GMT+1 british-ish http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=89#comment187 Message from the squirrels:So hommo spaiens can mannege to feight over even spellng and grammer. As wee thote; theyl never get civillised. If u carnt axcept anyboddy elses poynt of vu, y rezort to dgrayding them?(In consequence of the recent bombardment, the squirrels make no apology for having written this message on a crisp packet with a blunt pencil by the light of one match, there being no electricity for their laptop and spellchecker.)"Is not," they asked, turning philosophical,"a good thought, badly expressed, better than an evil thought, however elegantly written?" I said I thought someone else had already written something to that effect, and some people wouldn't take any notice, so they just curled their tails over their ears and sighed. And so would I. Sat 10 Jan 2009 05:45:34 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=89#comment186 David_Cunard #186: And your point is? No I don't want to be "lumped" into that group of 37 million illiterate Americans, but I guess I have no choice do I? You, for one, will always think the worst of me despite my best efforts to explain my positions on issues and why I hold such views. So there you have it. I'm a 22-year old illiterate woman who can't use a spell checker on a blog!! Lock me up and throw away the key!! I'm a disgrace to all mankind!! Forget any other characteristics I may have to offer, no, I'll always be known hence forth as the stupid one.And FYI, you still haven't answered my question about your (what I would deam to be insult) regarding my grades. Please do so. Sat 10 Jan 2009 04:25:59 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=88#comment185 #176. british-ish: "in future, however childish you may think it is, I shall be ignoring you. . . I'm not letting some people play with my toys any more."As Ronald Reagan famously said. "There you go again!" Stomp your little foot and go play with the other kids. I thought we had weaned you of it, but you've reverted to type.#177.NoRashDecisions: "In fact, a good test of one's grasp of the English language and their knoledge of synonims for words etc is their ability to say the same thing in many different ways."Believe me, I can insult with the best of them - and with no four letter words either.I wonder if perhaps you watched the CBS Evening News this evening - one of the reports was about illiteracy: 37 million Americans are functionally illiterate, having no more than a 5th grade ability to read the English language. I presume that if they can't read it they probably cannot write it either. When there are so many errors (two in the quote above) others are bound to query their education. Do you really want to be lumped into that statistic? It doesn't bother me one way or the other if you want to appear less than literate, but others in the future may. It's your call, whether to improve yourself or not.#182. seanspa: "It's far more important that people feel free to express their views than it is that they use a spell-checker."Why can't they do both? It's not as if it were technically difficult. There are two regular posters whose writings have been frequently disparaged because of poor spelling, grammar and syntax and whose arguments would carry far more weight if they were in better English. It's no good having ideas when they can't be set down correctly - if I can take advantage of electronic aids to spelling, why can't a 22 year old woman? Or anyone else for that matter. It's just so simple to get it right! Sat 10 Jan 2009 03:37:25 GMT+1 british-ish http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=88#comment184 178.bethpa wrote:"British-ish...Who are these squirrels? Where will I find them?"Ah yes, the squirrels. I am afraid I can't provide a complete history, since I didn't think to keep a full record.However, the Squirrel Party came on the scene around the end of October or early November, when the European species sciurus vulgaris (not to be confused with its American cousin sciurus carolinensis) decided it could remain silent no longer about the specieshomo sapiens, which it was beginning to view, in the period of the presidential election, as a damn sight less sapiens than it was cracked up to be and probably more populated with nuts than their preferred habitat.(One pro-right wing contributor had claimed that Tony Blair had planned to 'remove the Britishers' "nuts" ' and the first Squirrel post here was a statement of shock at the first ever revelation of a neo-socialist Blairite plan to starve the realauthentic socialist squirrel population.A squirrel collective therefore occasionally uttered communiques and commentary. With the proliferation of comments of the right wing in that period, the demonising and general misuse of concepts like 'socialism', it soon changed its name to the "Red (as in socialist, not Republican) Squirrel Party" to make its social and sciurane stance on world events more clear.(There was around this time a fake post, claiming that I, as their chosen, and humble spokesman to humankind—if 'kind' is not a contradiction in terms—had transferred my loyalties to the Baby Panda Party, on the spurious and venal grounds that they were more attractive and got more publicity. Very embarrassing, but that just shows how humans conduct the business of politics, doesn't it?)The squirrels have commented occasionally since the election, though they have lately adopted temporary hibernation as a means of escaping the consequences of yet another of humankind(?)'s periodic attempts at self-destruction.In fact, they must have been considering emigrating from the planet altogether (though I am not privy to their inner councils) since one of their last messages ended obscurely with something like "And thanks for all the acorns".However, they have intimated recently that they may be considering a return to the hurly-burly of human life, as you can see from one or two remarks.(I don't know how far back you can follow them on this blog, because it seems the Beeb doesn't keep that many entries, but if you click on my name, perhaps you may be able to catch up on one or two of their previous messages.)I am in broad sympathy with their general aims and philosophy, of course, but any opinions expressed here by the Squirrels are of course theirs alone.Hope that helps?(Please be kind, mods, and don't can this; I'm only replying to a request for information.) Sat 10 Jan 2009 02:42:31 GMT+1 TimothyR444 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=87#comment183 I'm not sure that a gentle manner, a sweet disposition and a warm heart are necessarily the best qualifications for the director of the CIA.I think that we are now so terrified of showing strength and resolve that we are now indulging in sentiment and rather childish emotion. This is a response to the aggression of the Bush administration, but it is not a good idea to move all the way in the opposite direction.Evil really does exist in the world. The idea of a very weak and passive USA is extremely popular in Europe, and especially in Britain, but those who support a CIA of soft, nice, sweet, warm, kindly people who are politically correct in every way may not work out as well as they might think. Sat 10 Jan 2009 01:58:00 GMT+1 watermanaquarius http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=87#comment182 wrote 159 # Cunard_David "Safari to you get should This".away straight it Downloaded.much very Thanks .fantastic Absolutely.problems No .immediately it Understood.treat a going is now writing Dutch My?spellchucker the find I do Where..ago years 20 system this used have Should .amw Sat 10 Jan 2009 00:44:36 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=87#comment181 I'm glad that some appreciate my attempts to inject humour into this. Despite my best efforts to lighten the mood, though, it seems that standards in spelling are more important than standards of behaviour. David, please give it a rest. It's far more important that people feel free to express their views than it is that they use a spell-checker. Fri 09 Jan 2009 23:43:25 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=86#comment180 watermanaquarious #163: Why you wrote that like you ment it!!!In all seriousness, I thank you very much for your kind remarks!! I've never been too good at receiving compliments -- I think you were too generous with yours!! And thank you as well for your defence!! Fri 09 Jan 2009 23:42:34 GMT+1 D http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=86#comment179 Gentle and Courtly, fighting terrorists....say good bye to the security Bush provided. Fri 09 Jan 2009 23:37:04 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=85#comment178 PS David, you can insult someone without cursing!! I should think you, of all people would know that!! So your excuse doesn't work! In fact, a good test of one's grasp of the English language and their knoledge of synonims for words etc is their ability to say the same thing in many different ways. Fri 09 Jan 2009 23:32:16 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=85#comment177 No Rash Decisions My husband is a nit picker and very fussy about such small details as spacing between words....but I forgive his transgressions as he forgives mine ( where have I heard that before?) well or we try to...sometimes you just have to let things goBritish-ish...Who are these squirrels? Where will I find them?Happylaze's posts are often an example of how creative writing can be and "mistakes" can carry humor and meaning. Fri 09 Jan 2009 23:25:30 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=84#comment176 David_Cunard #166: "There is a difference between a correction and an insult. The pity is that you appear not to understand that they are not the same. Much as I might liketo, I take great care never to insult anyone in writing."My God! Just when I resign myself to watching you sparr with everyone else, you go and pull me back in again!!On the contrary, I understand the difference perfectly!! Let me get this streight. So your saying that you don't find your comments on my grades that I received in my English classes at #125 the slightest bit offensive? I know its hard, but try to put yourself in someone else's shews. As an outsider, reading our exchanges, you honestly wouldn't find your comments a smidge harsh? You wouldn't think to yourself upon reading them, '"Wow, if 'David_Cunard were to think before he wrote, how much more success he would have in conveying his message to this God forsaken lost uneducated yank!!" Well then perhaps in your eyes I can't tell the difference between an insult and a correction. But in mine I feel that it is equally a pitty that the only emotions you seem to know how to convey are disrespectfulness and rudeness.Shame!! Fri 09 Jan 2009 23:18:01 GMT+1 british-ish http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=84#comment175 160. NoRashDecisions wrote:"Other than that I officially give up."And as far as this is concerned, so do I. Let's leave them to their own little games, shall we?"Behave like a child, be treated like a child", eh? Well, actually, that sounds rather insulting to me, Mr Cunard. So, in future, however childish you may think it is, I shall be ignoring you.I'm not letting some people play with my toys any more.Ciao Fri 09 Jan 2009 23:02:07 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=83#comment174 #173. watermanaquarius: "Perhaps I am using the wrong English language setting, but I refuse to change certain words that I know are correct, when the red underlined warning crops up."You should be able to "learn this" when you click in the "offending word" - I have had difficulty with English words which include a diphthong and which in American use are usually replaced by 'e'. The British/English spelling will be retained - or should be. Fri 09 Jan 2009 22:53:43 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=83#comment173 #171 #167 waterman and David_CunardI am the product of a "British upbringing." My mother was born in the UK and my father brought me up to be a gentleman. Even though I too am a woman. Being a dawdling procrastinator my childhood was spent listening to my mother say, "Time waits for no man." Not that I had any idea what she was talking about! Or as gunsandreligion likes to say, aboot. I wanted my blog name to be "grain of sand" as in "It's not the mountains ahead", etc., but someone had already taken it. Where is that person?#168 #170 seanspa - you have a wonderful sense of humour. (And I'm not changing the spelling!) Fri 09 Jan 2009 22:50:24 GMT+1 watermanaquarius http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=82#comment172 David #167Re the spellcheckers. Perhaps I am using the wrong English language setting, but I refuse to change certain words that I know are correct, when the red underlined warning crops up. Software is not everything especially if you have a thick hard head, like mine.Busy learning the new Portuguese language and January 3rd they move over to accepting the spelling from Brasilian Portuguese!!!Bend with it I say, don't break. Fri 09 Jan 2009 21:43:14 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=82#comment171 #168. seanspa: "If you want to discuss spelling, how about doing soon a different blog?"Nice sense of humour - and that spelling is a credit to modern surgery. Only in Hollywood! Fri 09 Jan 2009 21:36:51 GMT+1 watermanaquarius http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=81#comment170 timewaitsfornorman # 165Thank you for your few kind words suggesting agreement in some part of my posting.This could be a first for me, though I once got to halfway with MAII.[I think]David explains he is a product of "plain English"- home cooking on the other thread.Throwing "too many spices in the pot" can be disturbing for us ex-pat Brits, and our taste buds take time to acclimatise.Perhaps it's our hate of the garlic and French influences that complicate things.We do not have a stiff upper lip for nothing. Fri 09 Jan 2009 21:32:46 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=81#comment169 Note to self - get keyboard spacebar fixed. Soon really means so on. Fri 09 Jan 2009 21:31:15 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=80#comment168 I'm trying the google browser right now and it works pretty well. Uncluttered, built in spell check and useful find function. Fri 09 Jan 2009 21:29:53 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=80#comment167 If you want to discuss spelling, how about doing soon a different blog? Fri 09 Jan 2009 21:27:45 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=79#comment166 #165. timewaitsfornoman: "I'm awaiting to see how you respond to "O, and I'm a woman." I did not expect that."I responded but it was removed - the mods appear to be extremely sensitive this evening, as it is in London (or wherever they work.)"I do applaud you for trying to uphold standards. I admit I judge people by their ability to spell."Thanks - good to know that I'm not the only one! If spelling were so difficult I could understand the problems, but today it is not. I simply cannot understand why otherwise seemingly bright and well-educated writers do not take advantage of the electronic tools available to them. It's not as if it costs a fortune to download the appropriate application. Perhaps it's a type of rebellion against society, like growing long hair once was, or the proliferation of tattoos which are at present - and which will look ghastly in years to come. The fad for piercings will pass (except possibly for Sam . . .) and eventually correct spelling and grammar will replace what seemed so cool back in 2009. We live in hope.Scrolling down to look for a word? What kind of browser do you use? Both Safari and Firefox have "find' or "seek" capability and will find a word instantly - for example, there are two posts before this containing "schoolmaster": 163 and 165. Update to Safari - it's available for PCs as well as Macs. Fri 09 Jan 2009 21:20:36 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=79#comment165 #160. NoRashDecisions "I refer you to your post at #125 as evidence of your insults. Yes they aren't about my spelling and grammar!! But they still are just as offensive, and are directed at me."There is a difference between a correction and an insult. The pity is that you appear not to understand that they are not the same. Much as I might like to, I take great care never to insult anyone in writing - I've been around long enough to know all the words but reserve them for spoken English. Had I "insulted" you it would have been in far stronger language - but then probably referred to the Mods.Your reference to your sex and my response (which followed the above) appears to have been removed (see #162); a pity since I can't see that one's gender has anything to do with opinion. But as Ed I. has said, the Mods are as gods. Fri 09 Jan 2009 21:01:57 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=78#comment164 David_CunardI'm awaiting to see how you respond to "O, and I'm a woman." I did not expect that.I agree with wma that you do come across as somewhat (well I'm tired of scrolling looking for the quote!) schoolmaster mode?, but I do applaud you for trying to uphold standards. I admit I judge people by their ability to spell. (Well, not happylaze, he probably does it on purpose.) 158. happylaze"I ahve a rael issue with grammur trolls." I would hate to think we have to pass a grammar test to blog. Many, myself included, would fail. But... I do believe you know how to spell. Are you not a product of that famous British school system? Fri 09 Jan 2009 20:40:52 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=78#comment163 #161. british-ish: "I am still of a mind neither to accept a point of view being derided or being treated as a child simply because mine opposes what someone thinks is or should be an orthodoxy."Behave like a child, get treated like a child."Nor do I ask anyone to put me forward as a role model except as one who will combat opinions and beliefs he regards as wrong, thank you very much."You may have forgotten, but in a moment of petulance you told us that you would no longer be contributing to this blog. The fact that you changed your mind was to your credit. But what's with the "thank you very much"? It seems such a juvenile phrase, but perhaps it has found it's way back into British, adult, use. Incidentally, calling the language used in England "British English" - as opposed to "American English" - is a convenience - "English English" looks and sounds so odd - and "British English" does have the benefit of including the rest of the UK.I don't think anyone here can actually get posters banned - if there are a sufficient number of infractions of the rules, then the Moderators may remove someone, but not because of a request by another writer. In any case, they come right back with another pseudonym. Fri 09 Jan 2009 20:35:20 GMT+1 watermanaquarius http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=77#comment162 Norashdecisions,While others were tugging at their forelock I felt I had to make an apology too, but also an admission of stupidity and my own personal embarrassment.No, I have never been upset with your spelling or grammatical errors finding your postings spontaneous, free from bigotry and a joy to read where a simple honest heart , beat behind a computer and keyboard. Have always enjoyed our conversations.In a site overwhelmed with super intelligent macho posters and schoolmasters waving the cane, [wteo Aquagirl , Ms Marbles, Samantha Tyler , etc] I rushed to your defence many moons ago when previous comments on your sobriety and spelling hit the fan. And the last few days revelations that you are an "American youth". Did I feel a first class idiot.Taking the bull by the horns, I was composing a posting and then you fortunately write #160!!!!!!! What a pity that checking a posters name and input does not give the total picture of what they are or have already posted on this site. Pointless checking any name to see what has been posted,since nobody's is complete but please check these. 759. At 6:16pm on 01 Dec 2008. First paragraph.840. At 8:01pm on 03 Dec 2008 Explanations of my own failings in the Ingle-ish.Adoring you then and still adoring you now.wma Fri 09 Jan 2009 20:28:46 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=77#comment161 This post has been Removed Fri 09 Jan 2009 19:56:39 GMT+1 british-ish http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=76#comment160 NoRashDecisionsThe history lesson wasn't meant for you.155. bethpa wrote:Rome-Stu and British-ish are brilliant and extremely good writers imo.How kind. But I have the aid and support of the squirrels.156. David_Cunard wroteit's a pity you can't accept criticism. Months ago, British-ish was of a similar mind, but to his credit, he brushed himself down and bounced right back. You should emulate him.Hmmm. See above.I am still of a mind neither to accept a point of view being derided or being treated as a child simply because mine opposes what someone thinks is or should be an orthodoxy. And now and then I refuse to continue a line of argument that becomes pointlessly repetitious. As this is becoming. That is what I would call the nature of what some people call 'criticism'.And I have never accepted the dogma that to simply to be older than myself is wiser or to be better informed, or to be right.Nor do I ask anyone to put me forward as a role model except as one who will combat opinions and beliefs he regards as wrong, thank you very much. While doing his best to avoid argumentum as hominemwhich—NRD please be warned—has been provoked by some writers here to have authors they disapprove of banned. Fri 09 Jan 2009 19:25:35 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=76#comment159 David_Cunard #156: I refer you to your post at #125 as evidence of your insults. Yes they aren't about my spelling and grammar!! But they still are just as offensive, and are directed at me.Other than that I officially give up. Never marry.O, and I'm a woman. Fri 09 Jan 2009 18:51:44 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=75#comment158 #157. seanspa "You are sending us to a page that doesn't exist!"Not Apple's fault but mine - I had inadvertently added an extra letter to the link. This should get you to Safari. If all else fails, Google is there to help you. Fri 09 Jan 2009 18:44:00 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=75#comment157 122 time waits. I ahve a rael issue with grammur trolls. Fri 09 Jan 2009 18:41:42 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=75#comment156 David, shame safari doesn't check the validity of links. You are sending us to a page that doesn't exist! Live by the sword and all that. Fri 09 Jan 2009 18:22:08 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=74#comment155 #140. british-ish: "David_Cunard wrote: " be thankful some stranger urged you to better your English."Shouldn't that be "improve"?"It could have been, but "better" is a perfectly good verb - as in "to better oneself" - check your dictionary!"English, since it has become a near-universal language over the last sixty years"Only since 1948? Surely not. Before then, the nations of the Empire all spoke English as well as the United States, the latter largely responsible for spreading the language via motion pictures. Thanks to international commerce and the pre-eminence of America in trade and entertainment, English has become the lingua franca of the modern world. I would have thought that dated back to rather earlier than the post-war years. As ever, I could be wrong.#150. NoRashDecisions: "I won't be "thankful" for a stranger's teachings on correct spelling and grammar, I'll look back on this and still feel very much offended upon remembering how a stranger's military-esque style inspecting of every single word I wrote coupled with their endless insults under the guise of what they perceive to be nothing more than friendly advice made me feel!!"Young man, you're far too defensive for your own good. I certainly have not inspected your every word (those mis-spelt stand out like a sore thumb) nor showered "endless insults" upon you. Exaggeration doesn't help; it's a pity you can't accept criticism. Months ago, British-ish was of a similar mind, but to his credit, he brushed himself down and bounced right back. You should emulate him.One last thing - and it really is free - download Safari and you'll find it superior to whatever browser you're using now. Either that or invest in a MacBook or an iMac - and with the newest Macs, if you really must stick with a Wintel OS, you can run Windows on it as well. Fri 09 Jan 2009 17:35:09 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=74#comment154 Language is a tool to be used, it is not an end in itself.I agree with you norash:"is that it as not all that inappropriate, to in informal situations and settings, be a little lax in one's spelling and grammatical correctness."But the history of the language is fascinating and Rome-Stu and British-ish are brilliant and extremely good writers imo.Another point is that language while helping us to formulate our ideas and our perceptions also can be limiting. Sometimes people can not see the reality that the words are used to describe. They are bound by the language they know.For example one professor I had, said there is only one universe because uni means one. So there can be no parallel universes ! And there are psychological implications to a language. "No me gusta albondigas" means "Meat balls don't like me." But in English we say "I do not like meatballs." So the causation for the dislike in one case is the object, while in the other the causation for the dislike is the speaker's own dislike for the object. At one time college students were taught that language only occurred among humans..but now we know that some animals are able to understand language and can sign language. Fri 09 Jan 2009 16:46:47 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=73#comment153 Rome-Stu #153: Agreed on your history comments...a knoledge of history is of course, crucial to one's understanding of the world around them!!! But I was trying to say what you said in your first sentence.You're much more concise than I!I saw that you defended me against The Notting Hill Hammer, and for that I thank you!! I didn't read all your other posts because they were a bit long, but if you did in them as well I thank you for that too. Fri 09 Jan 2009 16:18:44 GMT+1 RomeStu http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=73#comment152 NRD at 151 The history of language should matter .... but not above the ideas that the language conveys.History is important in all aspects of life - cultural, political, military and even linguistic. A knowledge of history enriches us all.And of course, there is that well-used quote that "those who forget the mistakes of history and destined to repeat them" (so soething like that.ps - I was actually defending you if you read my posts carefully. Fri 09 Jan 2009 15:14:56 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=72#comment151 The Notting Hill Hammer #146: "Sorry NRD, you should have written "Hear, Hear". Please try harder."Either that or kill myself. You know that post was directed at you, right? Fri 09 Jan 2009 14:32:10 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=72#comment150 Rome-Stu and British-ish: Despite the changing nature of the English language, obviously in professional settings excalent spelling and grammar is essential, but my belief, and apparently I am alone in this, is that it as not all that inappropriate, to in informal situations and settings, be a little lax in one's spelling and grammatical correctness. The history of the language shouldn't matter. Fri 09 Jan 2009 14:26:30 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=71#comment149 David_Cunard #137: "If you should go into politics or international relations, consider how past actions came back to haunt one."No duh!!! My God! Just how stupid do you think I am? I ment that sentence in the sense in which those "certain people" I was refering to are primarily my family and close friends. Obviously I'm never going to asociate myself with anyone contravercial or do anything that might be considered contravercial!! I know I won't be able to count on your vote, though!!! O, and thank you so much for that very informative lesson on specific politicions past actions, and how those actions are affecting said politicions today...because as you well know, I don't follow the news at all!!!In the future, I won't be "thankful" for a stranger's teachings on correct spelling and grammar, I'll look back on this and still feel very much offended upon remembering how a stranger's military-esque style inspecting of every single word I wrote coupled with their endless insults under the guise of what they perceive to be nothing more than friendly advice made me feel!! Fri 09 Jan 2009 14:10:19 GMT+1 british-ish http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=71#comment148 146. The Notting Hill Hammer wrote:NoRashDecisions wrote:Here here -- especially on that last paragraph!!! Why can't everyone hold this view?...............Sorry NRD, you should have written "Hear, Hear". Please try harder.147. RomeStu wrote:British-ish ..... so the squirrels are out and about again!Not as such, no . . But from their Notting Dale Oak (they prefer the older usage of "Nutting Dale", obviously, but it would just confuse people hear unless they were to here it spoken instead of written) they asked me to pass a message to NoRashDecisions: "There, there! Never mind."They said they were pleased they hadn't been forgotten and were intrigued to hear of a new fall of language nuts and if they had a sort of acorny taste, they might possibly come out of hibernation again.They've agreed to take them as a deposit for palliasse space as a novelty, although they did want the first month's rent in the kind of nuts they usually trust, thinking the ones I got from here might be a bit old and stale.But they would like to know why some humans will insist on using sledgehammers to crack open their favourite foodstuff, never having seen the necessity of using such a tool for the purpose. Fri 09 Jan 2009 12:35:57 GMT+1 RomeStu http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=70#comment147 146 HammerIf you must persist in lambasting NRD for his spelling, please at least also respond to his ideas as well.We're all aware that NRD's spelling is not perfect, but he has consistently injected valid points into this and other debates.I've stated already that I am a traditionalist who believes that spelling and grammar are important, but let's leave the pedantry for posts that are actually incomprehensible. Fri 09 Jan 2009 11:31:30 GMT+1 RomeStu http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=70#comment146 British-ish ..... so the squirrels are out and about again!Ethnic cleansing of the English language? Sadly lots of sad BNP types will probably love the idea. But since the "Angles" were immigrants, will have to cleanse English of itself, and all go back to speaking Celtic languages?Or will just set up some kind of British equivalent of the Acadamie Francaise? Fri 09 Jan 2009 11:23:43 GMT+1 The Notting Hill Hammer http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=69#comment145 NoRashDecisions wrote:seanspa #129: Here here -- especially on that last paragraph!!! Why can't everyone hold this view?................Sorry NRD, you should have written "Hear, Hear". Please try harder. Fri 09 Jan 2009 11:21:15 GMT+1 RomeStu http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=69#comment144 I'm also not a fan of "CE" and "BCE" ..... essentially still using the inaccurate birthdate of a religious figure who is not "common" to all the world.However it is necessary to have a global dating system, and it seems silly not to use the BC/AD system that has been used in the west for 1500 years (reputedly first used by Dionysius Exiguus in 525AD - the Romans calculated dates from the foundation of Rome.Also the Vatican still today uses a dating system based on the reign of the current Pope - 2009 is year IV of the pontificate of Benedict XVI. This can be seen on historic buildings all over Rome - to know when it was built, you must know the year the Pope who built it was elected! Confusing. You bet!Egyptian Christians in 4th & 5th centuries used a system of "martyrdom dating" starting in the year 284AD as that was when Diocletian began to systematically persecute Christians. I'm an atheist, so I have no religious reason for using BC/AD, but no desperate need to change it. Just because I use this system does not mean I give any credence to Christianity.Incidentally, BC and AD are inconsistent as terms ... one from English, the other Latin. The venerable Bede made common usage of AD, but he used a long Latin phrase meaning "before the incarnation of our true Lord", which later got changed to BC.Can anyone enlighten us as to how the English "BC" came to dominate over a Latin term. Fri 09 Jan 2009 11:19:19 GMT+1 british-ish http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=68#comment143 142 RomeStu:I meant to add to the etymological adoptions. (Thefts?) I hadn't realised until quite recently when I heard a friend talking to her mother on the phone about buying a new bed that "mattress" is Arabic.I wonder casually if some people might not one day propose an 'ethnic cleansing' of some Englishes, and insist on substituting 'pallliasse', for instance.Alright/all right/OK/"variants of English" then. But we talk of "musics" in musical ethnography, which I think is uglier.When will the language war start do you think? There's only been a few rockets fired over the borders so far. Gotta warn the squirrels to make room in their bomb shelter for me. Fri 09 Jan 2009 11:12:18 GMT+1 british-ish http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=68#comment142 141.RomeStuI think we should stick with it. The adoption of 'sulfur' in scientific papers had a rather sulphurous reception, I think. (And despite my best efforts, I see the spell checker seems to have reverted somehow and thinks the latter is wrong!)Being interviewed for a sub's job once at a British magazine which had a US edition, I asked if the US one (edited in the UK, but printed in the US) was re-edited with American English spelling as well, since it had to be re-edited to fit a US paper format instead of a European/British one anyway. I was told, "No, they seem to like it, they think it's quaint."And I do wish people (including me!) would stop referring to 'British' English to differentiate English from American English. It's a tautology.(Quite irrelevantly, I totally dislike 'CE' and 'BCE' being foisted on us instead of 'BC' and 'AD'. I'm sure many people assume the 'C' stands for 'Christian' anyway and I can't help suspecting that it was invented with that likely confusion in mind. . .)OK, yes, I did put the 'totally' in just to irritate the pedants before they get at me as well as poor NDR . . .All that stuff is so gay. Meh. Fri 09 Jan 2009 10:54:03 GMT+1 RomeStu http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=67#comment141 More about language ....Italian is a totally phonetic language. Thus if you hear a word you should be able to spell it correctly if you understand the set conventions on pronounciation (there are only a very few differences from English). For those who like Italian food "ch" is always pronounce "K", thus there is no "brushetta" only "brusKetta". Buon appetito!Learning Italian as an adult was made very simple because of this, and I gained an understanding of how hard it must be to learn English, with all it's irregularities and wierd pronounciations ..... try explaining "-ough" - 4 different ways of saying it (plough, through, though, slough - as in snakes, not "The Office").Saying that English is not a phonetic language. In fact you could view English as the "USA" of language .... it is a melting pot of bits from various cultures, and is richer for it. Etymolgy is fascinating (pyjamas = 18th century Urdu word for baggy trousers) .... and English will lose it's richness if it degrades to a means of lowest common denominator communication.I bear no grudge against those whose spelling is weak - we all have weaknesses. My issue is with an education system producing university-level graduates who cannot spell. This is a problem that should be solved at junior school. (same goes for adding up, by the way). Fri 09 Jan 2009 09:55:55 GMT+1 RomeStu http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=67#comment140 British-ish makes a great point about the development of English and spelling being secondary to meaning.To add an example, I believe there are 6 known examples of William Shakespeare's signature ... and they are all spelled differently. There is a small reference to this in the opening scene of "Shakespeare in Love" as the Bard is practising his signature with a flourish of quill.I ascribe the standardisation of spelling in English to Dr Johnson's dictionary in the 1700s, and then the arrival later of standardised education.As English becomes the global language (sorry France) it will undoubtedly continue to evolve.However I find myself generally on the side of tradition in that if English is allowed to descend to the level of TXT SPK we will end up with some sort of Orwellian Nu-Speek. Double plus bad!Or worse (but much funnier) this ..... (I can't do links, so it's cut and pasted) .... it was a spoof EU discussion paper I received about 10 years ago... (read it phonetically)"The European Commission has just announced an agreement that English will be the official language of the EU rather than German (the other possibility). As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement, and has accepted a 5 year phase-in of new rules which would apply to the language and reclassify it as EuroEnglish.The agreed plan is as follows: In Year 1, the soft 'c' would be replaced by 's'. Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump for joy. The hard 'c' will be replaced by 'k'. This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan now have one less letter. ('ch' will remain the same).There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome 'ph' is replaced by 'f'. This will reduse 'fotograf' by 20%.In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters, which have always been a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent 'e's in the language is disgrasful and they should eliminat them.By year 4, peopl wil be reseptiv to lingwistik korektions such as replasing 'th' with 'z' and 'w' with 'v' (saving more keyboard spas).During ze fift year, ze unesesary 'o' kan be dropd from vords kontaining 'ou' and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer combinations of leters. After zis fifz year, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrion vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer.ZE DREM VIL FINALI HAF KUM TRU!" Fri 09 Jan 2009 09:40:20 GMT+1 british-ish http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=66#comment139 139.David_Cunard wrote: " be thankful some stranger urged you to better your English."Shouldn't that be "improve"?For both DC and NRD:The editors of Collins are currently concluding that English is in the process of melding the spoken and written forms together; the result could well be a new form reminiscent of Elizabethan English (which in the written form, subordinated spelling to meaning). The 'rules' so often brought up, really date only from Dryden and it has taken us a long time to get over the influence of those who wanted to turn written English into a form of Latin.I don't much like some of the results so far, (I love apostrophes, I think they add a certain prettiness to a page as well as simplify reading for meaning) but that doesn't mean I won't use the shorthand of texting either. (And that, btw, is a coinage we needed, unlike some others that are totally unnecessary replacements for words that already exist.)English, since it has become a near-universal language over the last sixty years, is developing and changing almost as much as it did between about 1580 and 1620. Fri 09 Jan 2009 09:12:43 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=66#comment138 #136. NoRashDecisions: "I just also think he is rude, disrespectful and inconsiderate of other's feelings."Thanks for the earlier words, which modesty forbids me to repeat. However, not rude, disrespectful or inconsiderate. If the relationship had been closer, it would be considered "tough love". As it is, there's no point in beating about the bush when someone has so much to offer. You acknowledge your limitations, so do something about it - you have the basis, you just need to work on it. If those whose first language can master it, surely you can do likewise - and I feel sure that you will, although better now than later. Your college tutors will think so much more of you if you turn in a paper which is well written in addition to being well thought out. In twenty years you'll remember this and be thankful some stranger urged you to better your English."Blogs is creative" - just a little needling prod from bethpa; she knows better than to write it seriously - remember, she can spell "bureaucrat" correctly! Fri 09 Jan 2009 05:31:33 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=65#comment137 davidI use a spell check. On my own I would misspell bureaucrat. I have so many typos that when text messaging my writing is ridiculous..but understandable. Written English is changing because of text messaging..."Since you have known so many, it really doesn't say much for your choice of companions, does it?:)Sigh. The definition of "known" in this case is to be cognizant of or aware of. Thank fully you did not apply the biblical meaning of "to know".I use outcomes to tell if someone is intelligent ...or not. Did they predict accurately and did they perform well? Bureaucrats are very good at hiding how they perform and love to obfuscate with needless verbiage. That type of person often does well in educational settings..but they are over achievers imo.and do not do well in novel and new circumstances...I think Obama has natural intellect...He was able to use the internet successfully to build up his campaign for the presidency. That portends well for his ability to do well in novel and new circumstances.Obama may be a creative thinker..but we will see."You certainly don't know me - hardly stodgy and absolutely not lacking in creativity. "I'll assume your intentions were good when you corrected norash. He is a good writer imo..He certainly has a lot of personality in his style of writing. Don't you feel like you know what he is like? Thats a good sign for a writer imo. Fri 09 Jan 2009 05:01:41 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=65#comment136 #130. NoRashDecisions: "I'm human, and feel that in certain situations I don't, or shouldn't need to worry about what certain people will always be thinking of me."If you should go into politics or international relations, consider how past actions came back to haunt one: Mr Obama had a problem living down the Rev Wright, Governor Richardson withdrew his nomination as Commerce Secretary because of some past error in judgement, Spiro Agnew was removed as Vice-president and Bill Clinton was impeached. I feel sure these gentlemen regretted their past actions - I think you need to consider what you do and say all the time. Even e-mails have a habit of popping up at the most inconvenient of times.#132. passtorian: "forget spelling. What counts is a thought."But there's no point in a thought if it can't be communicated correctly. It's not like brain surgery or rocket science, correct spelling is so easy - and much more effective.#133. bethpa: "I have known so many people who have very limited intellects (in my opinion)..but write and speak very well." Since you have known so many, it really doesn't say much for your choice of companions, does it?:)"They learn how to say nothing but say it beautifully..which is perfect for a bureaucrat."Does the converse apply as well? The President-elect speaks very well with a TelePrompTer - do you suppose that secretly he is of limited intellect? After all, he will be the First Bureaucrat. Now most people can't spell that last word, but you did, so was it from memory or did your spell-check do it for you? In either case, it makes you look better than your friends of "very limited intellect"."Should I pester him now Norash? for being stodgy? and lacking creativity?"You certainly don't know me - hardly stodgy and absolutely not lacking in creativity. Fri 09 Jan 2009 03:33:42 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=64#comment135 bethpa #133: No don't pester him (that is unless you want to.) I actually think he is plenty creative, has wonderful ideas and a sound intalect, I just also think he is rude, disrespectful and inconsiderate of other's feelings. What a shame!!O, and he'll certainly stick you for writing "Blogs is creative." The correct formation of that sentence is "Blogs are creative." Unless you intended to write that as a joke? Fri 09 Jan 2009 03:30:34 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=64#comment134 #112 happylazeIts true we may never know who used the anthrax...But we do know Americans lost their lives, the US government was shut down and it was a terrorist attack and the FBI screwed up.But why do we keep hearing on our news media that no attack occurred after 9/11?#114 gunandreligion"But, what positive goal would prosecuting Bush and Cheney accomplish?" guns and religion quoteWhen a crime has been committed there should be consequences otherwise laws are meaningless. They tried to change the Constituion and did not follow the Geneva Convention. It should be made clear to all that they committed crimes.If nothing is done...we will have a future president who will take power and use the Bush administration as a precedent. I hope the future Congress will stand up to any such president who usurps power Fri 09 Jan 2009 02:42:00 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=63#comment133 #129. seanspa: "Anyone for baked potato's?"Dan Quayle would be proud of you! You might also install Safari, which is available for PCs as well as their (superior) cousins, Macs. It seems quicker than Firefox and the "find" capability far easier to use, being in the upper right-hand corner rather than lower left, showing how many examples of the sought-after word there are. Try it, you'll like it! When Netscape was first available it came as disc included with a thick volume of instructions; how things have changed in such a short time - no IE, no Google and no spell-checks. Of course, with the latter there is the matter of British or US spelling. If all else fails, Google will find the correct version if "UK" is placed after the queried word - "do you mean ***" will appear. Fri 09 Jan 2009 02:31:15 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=63#comment132 dAvId -cUnArDI have known so many people who have very limited intellects (in my opinion)..but write and speak very well. They learn how to say nothing but say it beautifully..which is perfect for a bureaucrat.You should read e.e. cummings or James Joyce...to see what can be done creatively with the English languageBlogs is creative!: )( Should I pester him now Norash? for being stodgy? and lacking creativity?) Fri 09 Jan 2009 02:30:01 GMT+1 Pass Torian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=62#comment131 Maybe the world would be a better place for everyone if we pass on folks who concentrate on and ponder benefits of spelling and grammar, especially on boards like this one. George Carlin once wondered, " We have spelling Bees contests, why don't we have (or have not - if you prefer) contests on logical thinking , reasoning, and ethics?". Why , indeed. If we applied these spelling bee criteria to Albert Einstein, for example, he would not look too good. Some of these excellent spellers would be tempted to call Mr. Einstein an imbecile. So - forget spelling. What counts is a thought. We all know that ad hoc creations cannot have a perfect format. But, who cares. It is not a format but content that really counts. Fri 09 Jan 2009 02:22:17 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=62#comment130 seanspa #129: Here here -- especially on that last paragraph!!! Why can't everyone hold this view? Fri 09 Jan 2009 02:20:18 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=62#comment129 David_Cunard #125"High Bs? Lo As might be acceptable, but a low B is almost a high C, not something to crow about."That's your opinion. And I didn't receive (note the change of verb all for you!) low Bs! I received high Bs. That means a percentage of 85-89%. So that has the potential to almost be a low A, therefore almost meeting your satisfaction. But I still am happy with the grades I received, and no amount of snide, degrading and insulting remarks from you will make me feel otherwise!!"Got" is the lazy writer's word, substituting for many others which would be far clearer."Again, your opinion. I think "got" is a fine word, and I think if you did (I'm sorry) performed, a survey of the rest of the people on this board many would agree with me. And I doubt that they, or indeed the millions of other well educated people on this earth who use that word are "lazy," be that in writing or any other facit of life!! And "got" is the past tence of the verb "to get," so it is so a verb!! But I suppose its all in how one looks at a word which determines whether they classify it as a verb or not."Why would you behave differently in private than in a job interview?"Are you honestly telling me that you behave in exactly the same fashon all the time no matter where you are?I behave differently in different places because I'm human, and feel that in certain situations I don't, or shouldn't need to worry about what certain people will always be thinking of me. But that belief is rapidly disappearing I can tell you that!! How generous of you to give me this lesson on the house, but I have to say, even if there were a charge attached, I sure as heck wouldn't pay it!! Fri 09 Jan 2009 02:14:54 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=61#comment128 David, I have a hang up on the use of the apostrophe. I make every effort to use it correctly. I learnt sometime ago though that if I pointed out every incorrect use, I would never actually do anything else. I therefore restrict myself to raging about it only when it directly affects me. Anyone for baked potato's?I view a blog as merely capturing thoughts, an electronic recording of the spoken word rather than a work of literature. When I speak I stumble over words, say things I really shouldn't do, but once it's out it's out. I've actually switched from using IE to using Firefox - at Ed's suggestion - to make use of the in-built spell-checker. Unfortunately, it cannot tell me I typed IS when I meant US. This is a blog. Oh well. Fri 09 Jan 2009 01:26:13 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=61#comment127 #127. seanspa: "NRD, we kicked DC out of the UK because his spelling was too good and he wouldn't stop telling us about it."Au contraire! I came to Hollywood at the invitation of Berle Adams (second only to Lew Wasserman) at MCA to meet the late Ned Tanen, about whom the less said the better; nearly all obituaries are puff-pieces.I do not understand why people can't spell - today there are spell-checks a-plenty; why aren't they used? My much older PC has one as does this iMac. Surely youngsters of 22 can use them or is texting-style the spelling of the future? Today there really is no excuse for such errors. Since - like surgery and automobile repairs - there is a right and a wrong way to do things; I'd rather opt for the right way. Fri 09 Jan 2009 00:30:23 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=60#comment126 NRD, we kicked DC out of the UK because his spelling was too good and he wouldn't stop telling us about it. Of course,that was pre-internet, and we didn't know he'd return to haunt us in a blog. Thu 08 Jan 2009 23:43:39 GMT+1 Pass Torian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=60#comment125 Pannetta? Good if not a great choice. Honorable, thinking man. Why not at the CIA helm? Has no experience? Counting accomplishments of Mr. Pannetta's predecessors in CIA leadership position starting with Ronald Reagan presidency would not bring too many convincing arguments on behalf of experience alone. Just a few days ago I read an article on Manual Noriega (his imprisonment in US is nearing an end). A CIA operative was quoted as saying that Noriega while in power in Panama was the most reliable and verifiable source of info relating to the whole South America. Noriega did not want to cooperate with our Nicaragua contras effort so... we dumped him from the list of our cooperatives, removed him from power and imprisoned him on questionable charges. Apparently experienced CIA bosses could not convince their President that "ears and eyes" on the whole spectrum of South America is equally if not more important than Mr. Noriega crying "uncle" as Reagan demanded. Experience is over stressed, even when it comes to CIA. There are seasoned employees in the organization that know their jobs. What they need is a guiding leadership that emphasizes honesty, reliability and lawfulness.We do not need experienced yes men who will stand silent while their bosses spread falsehoods to the nation. This nation is awakening. Leon Pannetta is the right man to lead the CIA in the right direction. By the way, there is nothing wrong with "clintonites" joining Obama. We all are missing days of prosperity and America's good, respected standing in the World that the current occupant of white House and (among others) his meek but experienced CIA leaders wrecked in mere eight years. Thu 08 Jan 2009 23:26:47 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=59#comment124 #119. NoRashDecisions: "I've taken 3 English classes and "gotten" (sorry) high Bs in all of them thank you very much!!"High Bs? Lo As might be acceptable, but a low B is almost a high C, not something to crow about."I would ask that you point out other people's spelling and grammatical mistakes as well, and that you please, please, please for the love of God not lecture me on what words you want me to use or not use in my posts!!"Had you been reading this blog long enough, you would know that I have, with mixed results. Those whose opinions are couched in ungrammatical and poorly spelt English are far less credible than those who can write in good, if plain, English."On Justin's last entry you very rudely asked me to make a New Year's resolution to not use the word "got" anymore, and to avoid the word "gotten" at all costs.""Got" is the lazy writer's word, substituting for many others which would be far clearer; you had earlier written "I got the impression you wanted to compare and contrast further the two systems . . ." Far better to have substituted "had", "formed" or "received" for "got". In your more recent entry, you wrote "I've taken 3 English classes and "gotten" (sorry) high Bs . . " Using "received" rather than "gotten" would have been rather more attractive. It simply makes your writing more precise and, for what it's worth, more elegant.- and "got" is not a verb, since it is the past participle of "(to) get". I know it's used frequently in America, but nevertheless, there are other and better words to use. It really doesn't take a lot of thought to choose one!"why should you give a damn what verbs I use?!"Because it makes your writing (and thus yourself) appear to be educated or not. Good communication requires an element of precision - the wrong verb could have very different meanings. If you want to be taken seriously, use the correct word/s, it makes such a difference."This is a blog!! Its not a job interview!! I should be allowed to be myself on here a little bit shouldn't I? Or am I crazy?"Why would you behave differently in private than in a job interview? One reason employers request job application forms to be completed in handwriting is so they can gauge the potential communication skills available. Acting a part in a job interview has no value, since eventually the "real you" will be revealed. It has been said that the mark of a gentleman is that he behaves in private just as he does in public. That applies to blog posts as well as employment interviews. Like good manners, good English lasts a lifetime and sets one apart from those who possess neither.There is no charge for the foregoing lesson. Thu 08 Jan 2009 23:20:53 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=59#comment123 NRD, we had a referendum some years ago and voted to expel happylaze because of his poor spelling and propensity to get into fights. If I'd known he'd end up in the state next to the one I am now in, I'd have voted to keep him in the uk. Thu 08 Jan 2009 23:02:34 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=58#comment122 seanspa #121 O I didn't see that you were making a joke. I appologise. Its interesting I thought 'happylis (weird name so I probably spelled it wrong!! I'm typing kind of fast) was an American! I saw them mention towns in the state of Oregon once or twice. But if they are truely English, then I guess it goes to show that despite some people's best eforts to present themselves as such, the British people are not spelling and grammatical wizards!!!I didn't know that Science types are imphamous for their bad spelling, however sadly I am not one--I like Political Science, International Relations, Music, those sorts of things. So I guess I'm a rare breed since the bad spellers are not generally found in my fields of interest. Thu 08 Jan 2009 22:37:52 GMT+1 timewaitsfornoman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=58#comment121 119 NoRashDecisions Where is Happylaze on this? He likes a - "spirited discussion". If I see him on another blog I'll ask him to come over.You are doing a fine job defending yourself NRD. I'd say more but DC might start critiquing my comments. I'd then have to ask you to come to my aid. 120. That could be a claim to fame. "The British education system did not fail me." Sounds as if you view it as a resounding success. "Whaaa!" your friends will ask. "You were educated in Britain?" (No need to go into details - just leave it there.) Thu 08 Jan 2009 22:25:53 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=57#comment120 NRD, glad to see you living up to your name. Just to clarify, my english school comment was just a joke about spelling. It was not aimed at you, and was merely in response to aqua's plea to be considerate of those who have english as as a second language. I'm sure her comment was not aimed at you either. Hell, if we were going to have a go at spelling, everyone would just have a go at happylaze (and he is english and a product of that system, so it proves my point).Oh, and I think DC proved another of my claims.Are you a science or engineering type? They are renowned for concentrating on what matters and so pay little attention to spelling. My father, and my eldest son, are appalling spellers. My spelling is generally better (although not my typing), but only because I am a failed engineer.If you are crazy, it's not because you see the difference between a blog and a job application. Thu 08 Jan 2009 22:06:59 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=57#comment119 Seanspa I never claimed that you "called me out" on anything...I was just merely pointing out the fact that I'm not, as you had I presume thought I am, an English youth failed by the British education system based on your earlier post. I ment no offense. I appologise if I caused you any.Thanks to all others for your encouraging words. . . Thu 08 Jan 2009 21:21:00 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=56#comment118 David_Cunard #118: '"Since you are still in college, you might consider taking an English class - to go through the next sixty years of your life being unable to write wellseems a waste of a talent - it's not just ideas that count, but the ability to put them into a cohesive form, on paper, is equally, if not more important."I've taken 3 English classes and "gotten" (sorry) high Bs in all of them thank you very much!! I know all too well of the inexplicable importance good spelling and grammar skills are to someone, and the impression, whether good or bad, such skills will make on others!! I'm not that stupid! I don't need you to spell it out for me!! And that also goes for your lectures on the necessity for good manners!!! If you want to point out the odd spelling or grammatical mistake, be my guest!! But if I may make two requests, I would ask that you point out other people's spelling and grammatical mistakes as well, and that you please, please, please for the love of God not lecture me on what words you want me to use or not use in my posts!! On Justin's last entry you very rudely asked me to make a New Year's resolution to not use the word "got" anymore, and to avoid the word "gotten" at all costs. As long as my grammar is correct, or according to your standards just barely meeting a first grade level, why should you give a damn what verbs I use?! All I ask anyone but particularly you is for the freedom to post on here without fearing being thrown under the bus for every single spelling and grammar mistake!! I don't think that's too much to ask!! I am fully aware that I will face much tougher situations in life and that I had better get thicker skin if I intend to succeed, but my God!! This is a blog!! Its not a job interview!! I should be allowed to be myself on here a little bit shouldn't I? Or am I crazy? Thu 08 Jan 2009 21:12:49 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=56#comment117 #88. NoRashDecisions: "I just can't take the constant scrutiny."You'd better get used to it if you are going to succeed in your chosen work occupation; whatever you do to earn a living will be scrutinised as well as your personal behaviour.Good manners and the social graces are as important today as they ever were - a man looking for advancement, having dinner with his employer, would (however talented) be unlikely to to progress if he ate with his mouth open or slurped his soup. Appearances do count, and so it is with spelling and grammar. Arguments you make or debate will look so much better and will have far more impact if they are in correct English.Since you are still in college, you might consider taking an English class - to go through the next sixty years of your life being unable to write well seems a waste of a talent - it's not just ideas that count, but the ability to put them into a cohesive form, on paper, is equally, if not more important. Even if you're not sure about what you write, it will at least make a good impression! Thu 08 Jan 2009 19:16:16 GMT+1 aquarizonagal http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=55#comment116 To#110HappylazeDid you notice the body language? Obama seemed to be leaning as far away from our current president as he could get without standing in front of Papa Bush.To me, Carter looked unsure of why he was even there at all, considering how much criticism he gets for his beliefs and efforts.If the peace makers are blessed and the meek are to inherit the earth than perhaps Jimmy Carter will have a place after all.lol to you as well. Thu 08 Jan 2009 17:13:24 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=55#comment115 and I thought it would have been 110 that was modded, oh well. Thu 08 Jan 2009 16:37:29 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=54#comment114 114 I'd agree that it would divide the country .And I see little point in that given the number of guns that will be used to support every argument,for a while. Thu 08 Jan 2009 16:36:38 GMT+1 gunsandreligion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=54#comment113 #107, bethpa, I'll bet that Obama passes on this.Most of us would agree that Bush II was the worstpresident that we've had since... well, since we canremember. Perhaps Ulysses S. Grant would bein the same league. I remember when I was growing up that my Uncleon my mother's side would say, "Every Democratgets us into a war, and every Republican getsus into a recession."I'm not sure how he would classify Bush.But, what positive goal would prosecuting Bushand Cheney accomplish? In all probability,it would further divide the country, and,more importantly, distract the governmentfrom the urgent work which needs to bedone to get everything back on track.I'll bet that Obama passes. Thu 08 Jan 2009 16:03:52 GMT+1 The Notting Hill Hammer http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=53#comment112 NoRashDecisionsI'm sorry that you feel "picked on", I actually agree with a lot of what you write. However, very poor spelling and grammar do make for very difficult reading, which spoils the communication of your ideas. Thu 08 Jan 2009 15:45:23 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=53#comment111 Bethpa, I wish to see that as well, though I have serious doubts as to the truth coming out anytime soon.on anthrax of the last 8 years. Thu 08 Jan 2009 15:37:46 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=52#comment110 lol on the spelling etc.could you understand what was being communicated. if yes leave it alone if no then ask for clarification. Thu 08 Jan 2009 15:35:40 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=52#comment109 106 Carter has the decency to want to puke when in the room with so many scum. Thu 08 Jan 2009 15:24:52 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/01/obamas_intriguing_cia_pick.html?page=51#comment108 This post has been Removed Thu 08 Jan 2009 15:23:54 GMT+1