Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html en-gb 30 Mon 03 Aug 2015 02:53:39 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=99#comment107 107. At 10:35pm on 08 Dec 2008, TrueToo wrote:The Christian East is Poland in the context of the original statement I made about immigration to Britain. Or are you now going to deny that there's a wave of Polish immigration to Britain? You should try to increase your attention span, jacksforge.I note your insults. Are you upset that I've blown your cover?You note My insults?You create a new term "Christian East"Poland dear fellow is hardly the east, a little east on the European scale yes but not east as anyone but you would recognise.Given this European context to your comments which are the Muslim east places.Just so we can all have some access to this imaginary world you live in. Obviously you are not going to argue about the world the rest of humanity lives in , I am willing to debate you on the events in your fantasy world but would fist like to get a "back ground" understanding of this creative alternate world.My insults as such were not as strong as could be given you have still not answered or defended your comments.Your comments here show again your attention span to be lacking.I thought you said something like "The Muslim East is the Muslim East; The Christian East is Poland. Pay attention and you'll notice the different attitude the lefty BBC has to different waves of immigration, depending on whence they originate.""Or are you now going to deny that there's a wave of Polish immigration to Britain?"So what is your point?That the BBC have not done enough to try to stop Polish immigration ?That they favour Muslim Immigration.What bias is there.At first it seemed you were thinking they treated Christians worse than Muslims."the BBC is packed to the rafters with anti-America, anti-Israel, anti-Christian, pro-Islam,"The interface between your world and reality is breaking down.Maybe the BBC did talk of Polish (sorry I will not call it the "Christian East") immigration more than muslim immigration , I don't know but as you pointed out there does seem to be a few polish Immigrants, a new thing really , after all we have had muslim immigrants for years,(And some great culture with it).Did the BBC talk about the poles too much .Is that your point.You provide one comment. I lived near the BBC and smoked with more than one employee. They were not of the same political affiliation. I know somethings you read one thing.You are uncomfortable because your interview by two Brits who you understand as well as you understand me does not once show what you claim.You are trying to put enough smoke out that no one will notice that the language used does not CONFIRM your suspicion.INFACT through out the whole interview there is no such suggestion that you make. there is some speculation the IF the BBC were Pinko" "but there was always the suggestion that the BBC was full of pinkos who couldn't wait for Labour to get back into power, that may have been the case, who knows? "YOU?I would add the always suggestion is from the likes of you as well.Not once does this interview say what you claim.It does allude to the possibility but at all time they are careful to point out that that may just be an Impression.Even IF it had claimed this it then says " I think it's fair to say that in the intervening years, uh, the BBC, IF IT EVER WAS in love with Labour, has probably fallen out of love with Labour, or learnt to fall back in, or basically just learnt to be in the middle somewhere, which is how it should be,"That it is in the middle now.Point disproved by you own quotes.I'd keep quieter if I were youYour comprehension is bad and you read between the lines as definite despite your lack of comprehension.Which is how I come to the conclusion you are not so unbias.Does this reality all upset you, do come back but remember your words and your examples are written down for all to read.Learn to read English if you are to get snobby about it.It seems when you have noting to say for real, a distraction away from your arguments is in your interestsYou will get to know that I am the UPSETTER Tue 09 Dec 2008 15:43:29 GMT+1 TrueToo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=98#comment106 The Christian East is Poland in the context of the original statement I made about immigration to Britain. Or are you now going to deny that there's a wave of Polish immigration to Britain? You should try to increase your attention span, jacksforge.I note your insults. Are you upset that I've blown your cover? Mon 08 Dec 2008 22:35:15 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=97#comment105 And you still seem like a person with a lot of bias and a lack of moral fibre displayed in your posts. a deceiver(That's not an insult, but just a statement of fact.) Mon 08 Dec 2008 16:05:10 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=96#comment104 "The Christian East is Poland"wow now if you just tell the rest of the world that so we can all know what you are thinking great. Up until you put it here I had never heard of the Christian east being Poland.Has anyone else?I see that you write But fail to understand that Britain is made up of people who think and vote as they feel like. The Tories won elections for a few years ,if you had not noticed, there were probably celebrations when they did. But then they became a bunch of money grabbing privatise it robber barons, which many also liked cause they made dosh.But then one day they did enough that the country turned, as labour had done before,and they were out. And the people they did rejoice. The head Dalek as spitting image so well had portrayed her was gone and all the little Daleks.So they people had more to drink.When the labour party have done as bad as Thatcher in pi off the electorate they too will hear people all around the country party up at the news that they lost,.And that BBC, well, it will party to.2 : meriting derisive laughter or scorn I used words despite what you say fairly carefully and hence the " i Believe" 'if" "not necessarily". this implies that what I say is approached with the self awareness of being able to be wrong. Your posts are declarations.Which deserve more scorn.PS nice of you to Ignore the fact that the first positive post about Obama since the Champaign started was made today.the BBC is staffed by many but on the whole probably most (in London) are Brits.Why would they not vote as the rest of the country.As I said before in the UK you do not declare your party , so how would the BBC get so many lefties.If you were turned down because of being a tory boy then there would be an easy lawsuit.Industrial tribunal.If you want to comment on repetitive ,all sound the same posts, with no thought and ramblings you would be well advised to think if your letters stand out from those moonbats on this site. Mon 08 Dec 2008 16:03:41 GMT+1 TrueToo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=95#comment103 101. Nick-Gotts,If I lived in the UK, I definitely would feel oppressed by the weight of the socialist nanny state with its Labour PR division, namely the BBC. And I would feel oppressed by having to pay for the PR division on pain of imprisonment.As I said, Anthony Jay was a left winger during his stint at the BBC. He offers a valuable insider's perspective. So does Robin Aitken. And so what if his perspective is from the right? He was unable to come out of the closet and was among a very small minority there who didn't follow the BBC lefty groupthink.You might like to try to stop your continual whining about others allegedly whining. It says much more about you than it does about them.102. happylaze,I didn't say you were ludicrous; I said the idea of the BBC celebrating a Tory victory is ludicrous. I notice you provide no facts and no argument to back up your assertion that the BBC would celebrate it. Just stating it wont make it true.The Muslim East is the Muslim East; The Christian East is Poland. Pay attention and you'll notice the different attitude the lefty BBC has to different waves of immigration, depending on whence they originate.Why did you change your pseudonym from jacksforge? I recognise your style - the rambling lack of logic and the muddled thinking. (That's not an insult, but just a statement of fact.) Mon 08 Dec 2008 08:23:02 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=94#comment102 Can you explain the difference in those two easts you refer to. the muslim one and the christian one?Oh and if labour gets to be as unpopular as the tories managed to get them selves the BBC WILL CELEBRATE A TORY VICTORY.Or rather the people working for the BBC will celebrate. The BBC will remain officially neutral. Sun 07 Dec 2008 18:46:35 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=93#comment101 100You said I was ludicrous."Why can't you debate a point without insult?"try living by your word.I have addressed this point about BBC bias which you ignore and dare to come back saying I am insulting you after you called me ludicrous.You have offered NO evidence other than a couple of people.who may have or may not have agreed with you.but you did call me ludicrous.You offer no quotes from them. Naming sources without any quotes or really anything is like me claiming You said "all right wingers are moonbats"You seem to misquote people here all the time so why would I be stupid enough to believe that because you said this guy said that that it is true? I ask If you can read not to be insulting but to find out if you can in fact read. Obviously you can I can see that now, but you still give me the impression that you may have the ability to read but not the intelligence to decide to do it.78 was my answer to the BBC bias. Sun 07 Dec 2008 18:43:13 GMT+1 Nick-Gotts http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=92#comment100 TrueToo,Your only named sources were right-wingers: Robin Aitken and Anthony Jay. I'm not impressed. You're just a standard self-pitying rightist, whining about how oppressed you are. Not interesting. Sun 07 Dec 2008 16:02:04 GMT+1 TrueToo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=91#comment99 97. happylaze wrote: 96Why you can't read?Why can't you debate a point without insult?I read your comment. I just happen to disagree with it. If you want total agreement, talk into a tape recorder and play it back to yourself. I have provided more than enough evidence to prove the BBC's left wing bias. You on the other hand, offer no evidence to show that it is balanced, other than claiming it somehow represents a cross-section of British society. It doesn't. Sat 06 Dec 2008 19:48:54 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=90#comment98 Has anyone discovered where these two places are.Christian East Muslim EastI had never heard of them until now.But then weren't thses blogs looking good for a while. Ever since the "great Purge" Sat 06 Dec 2008 18:56:01 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=89#comment97 Jane Garvey acknowledged the pro-Labour bias and various ex-BBC people have acknowledged its left wing bias.I am sure on his retirement justin webb will say the same thing.there by PROVING the BBC is bias, as opposed to just ,NOT STUPID"even though the JP is moving left as we speak."And when they get to that area called "the truth" they will be listened to."the BBC is packed to the rafters with anti-America, anti-Israel, anti-Christian, pro-Islam, pro-choice, pro-green, pro-mass immigration to Britain from the Muslim East but not from the Christian East, pro-far left Ken Livingstone but anti-Boris Johnston, pro-socialist nanny state left wingers"And your not one of those right wing wackjobs ,EH? Sat 06 Dec 2008 18:40:46 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=88#comment96 96 Why you can't read?Here again is an arguemnet against what you say. try reading it.85. At 3:59pm on 04 Dec 2008, happylaze wrote:81. At 9:44pm on 03 Dec 2008, TrueToo wrote:78. happylaze,It looks highly likely that the Tories will win the next election, and by a large majority. If and when they do, do you really believe that the BBC will join the majority of voters in strewing champagne bottles around the place in celebration of a Tory victory?The idea is ludicrous. The BBC is positively pickled in left wing bias.I believe that the BBC is made up of people from Britain. If Britain goes a little tory I suspect the BBC staff as voters in the mother of democracy will be amongst those who have voted for the majority.therefore it could be expected that a number proportional to the electorate will crack a bottle.Now if that were in a landslide like tony came in there will be more quaffing than if it were a slim majority.That is how democracy works.The BBC does not hire people by party and the UK system does not ask you to declare your party affiliation as they do in the states so it would be harder for them to find out if you were a labour or tory supporter.Mr Nick has already referred to the "left wing" being a subjective term, when talking to americansYou still have offered not one bit of evidence and with a lack of such evidence should still take back your remark about ludicrous.Unless you want to be the one who seems ludicrous. Sat 06 Dec 2008 18:35:12 GMT+1 TrueToo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=87#comment95 95. Nick-Gotts,Well I guess since the markets are linked to the tax base from which the BBC derives its income, it has no option but to support them. But I see no evidence of enthusiasm for capitalism that does not directly benefit the BBC. On the other hand, BBC journalists get misty-eyed at the mention of Che Guevara and communist Cuba. I have no doubt that many of them could produce a faded Che T-shirt or two from their closets.There is one "right winger" - or at least he is a Tory supporter - and that is Robin Aitken, who has written a book about his experiences in the lefty BBC. He's the one who revealed that the BBC newsroom had a poster up of Bush as Hitler. Anthony Jay, a left winger during his time with the BBC, though now reformed, has also written about the prevailing culture at the corporation. BBC bosses have acknowledged that they would happily trash the Bible, but not the Koran. On the eve of the Australian election, World Have Your Say had a programme that was basically PR for Labor and the Greens. When the BBC quotes Israeli newspapers, it sticks mostly to the left wing Ha'aretz, ignoring the centre-right Jerusalem Post, even though the JP is moving left as we speak. The list is endless.Talking of closets, I suppose you could find a couple of closet Tory supporters working in some capacity for the BBC, but you are certainly not going to find too many, if any at all, working as political journalists.Face it, the BBC is packed to the rafters with anti-America, anti-Israel, anti-Christian, pro-Islam, pro-choice, pro-green, pro-mass immigration to Britain from the Muslim East but not from the Christian East, pro-far left Ken Livingstone but anti-Boris Johnston, pro-socialist nanny state left wingers. Anyone who denies that is simply not paying attention.Now tell me again that the BBC will celebrate a Tory victory. Sat 06 Dec 2008 08:25:57 GMT+1 Nick-Gotts http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=87#comment94 TrueToo@94,"The BBC" is not an entity with a unitary view. The claim that it shows a left-wing bias is garbage. I would hazard a guess these "ex-BBC people" are right-wingers. In fact, the BBC has mirrored the ruling ideology of the past three decades - uncritical worship of markets - quite happily. Right-wingers always whine about "left-wing bias" when their lies and idiocies are not treated as beyond criticism. Fri 05 Dec 2008 21:33:01 GMT+1 TrueToo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=86#comment93 I thought someone would get technical on that point. OK, the Tories wont have the majority of voters overall but they'll be the party that has the most people voting for them.You should at least be willing to concede that the idea of the BBC celebrating a Tory victory is ludicrous. Jane Garvey acknowledged the pro-Labour bias and various ex-BBC people have acknowledged its left wing bias. Fri 05 Dec 2008 20:43:48 GMT+1 Nick-Gotts http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=85#comment92 "It looks highly likely that the Tories will win the next election, and by a large majority. If and when they do, do you really believe that the BBC will join the majority of voters in strewing champagne bottles around the place in celebration of a Tory victory?" - TrueTooThey may well win, but it is almost inconceivable that a majority of those who vote will vote for them, and hence unlikely that a majority of voters would be celebrating. The last time a party or electoral alliance got a majority of votes in a UK election was 1935. No polls since the last election have shown the Tories over around 44%. Fri 05 Dec 2008 17:54:22 GMT+1 LesMajestey http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=84#comment91 Bach's Cello Suites are certainly something to prize!Does anyone know of a better performer thereof than Jacqueline DesPres? Fri 05 Dec 2008 14:54:51 GMT+1 chronophobe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=83#comment90 Re: 89 Gary_A_HillAmazes me too! I guess she was advised to stay out of the fray as much as possible, by throwing it back to the Parliament and saying, in effect, take a breath, collect yourselves, and sort it out.Whether proroguing is in fact staying out of the fray is a matter of perspective, to be sure. In my eyes, she did nothing less than commute Harper's political death sentence. He now has lots of time to kick at the house of cards coalition. Yours,Canadian Pinko Fri 05 Dec 2008 00:05:24 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=82#comment89 . At 9:44pm on 03 Dec 2008, TrueToo wrote:78. happylaze,It looks highly likely that the Tories will win the next election, and by a large majority. If and when they do, do you really believe that the BBC will join the majority of voters in strewing champagne bottles around the place in celebration of a Tory victory?The idea is ludicrous. The BBC is positively pickled in left wing bias."Not as ludicrous as your attempt to prove BBC bias by one frivolous interview which you have taken literallyThere is only one thing pickled here and it is not the BBC.That is before we go on to discuss "left wing" in this context. Thu 04 Dec 2008 19:55:48 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=81#comment88 The GG did suspend parliament! This is amazing to me. We (in the US) have had presidents who wished they could do that. Thu 04 Dec 2008 17:51:11 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=80#comment87 87does seem a bit desperate doesn't it.one of those fingers in ears nah nah nah reactions. Thu 04 Dec 2008 17:05:33 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=79#comment86 chronophobe, what I find most fascinating is Harper's desire to suspend parliament, which has apparently been done before, but not to avoid a vote of confidence. Isn't this sort of manoever something one expects in places like Burma? Thu 04 Dec 2008 16:29:06 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=78#comment85 Chronophobe.It is interesting what is going on in Canada. Just voted in and almost out. Front page news as I see it.Just saw a piece on the bbc news in the morning (first one) I didn't even know Canada was so close. I thought I would have heard more mention of it if it were next door , so I looked on a map. Wow there it was right above United states.It was a little hard to read it's name because it had these really big letters that got me confused all over it "NORTH AMERICA"with a little "Canada" in between those letters.Wow seeing as it is so close I might have to give it a visit. Thu 04 Dec 2008 16:05:57 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=77#comment84 81. At 9:44pm on 03 Dec 2008, TrueToo wrote:78. happylaze,It looks highly likely that the Tories will win the next election, and by a large majority. If and when they do, do you really believe that the BBC will join the majority of voters in strewing champagne bottles around the place in celebration of a Tory victory?The idea is ludicrous. The BBC is positively pickled in left wing bias.I believe that the BBC is made up of people from Britain. If Britain goes a little tory I suspect the BBC staff as voters in the mother of democracy will be amongst those who have voted for the majority.therefore it could be expected that a number proportional to the electorate will crack a bottle.Now if that were in a landslide like tony came in there will be more quaffing than if it were a slim majority. That is how democracy works.The BBC does not hire people by party and the UK system does not ask you to declare your party affiliation as they do in the states so it would be harder for them to find out if you were a labour or tory supporter."The idea is ludicrous."1 : amusing or laughable through obvious absurdity, incongruity, exaggeration, or eccentricity 2 : meriting derisive laughter or scorn as absurdly inept, false, or foolishhttp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ludicrousHow so is it ludicrous?You should take that back but I suspect you will not from what I read of your posts. Thu 04 Dec 2008 15:59:56 GMT+1 chronophobe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=76#comment83 try, try again. Thu 04 Dec 2008 03:39:38 GMT+1 chronophobe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=75#comment82 Further to the above, that rarest of things, an intelligent discussion, in podcast form [Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator] Cheers, Canadian Pinko Thu 04 Dec 2008 03:23:55 GMT+1 chronophobe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=75#comment81 Re: 75 Gary_A_Hill If Harper himself is the problem which makes his minority government unworkable, and if he is unwilling to step down, can't the Conservatives replace him anyway in order to save their government?It may come to that. I think perhaps there's already too much water under the bridge, and, in fact, the bridges have all been burnt.Harper has a reputation for ruthless control. It's probably over-exaggerated, but rings true nonetheless. He's proud and vengeful, and in no mood to capitulate. Because of his overwhelming preeminence, there are no real pretenders ready now to stick in the knife. As time goes on, the challengers are sure to emerge, and there is even talk that the "New" Conservative party might fracture back into its Reform and Progressive Conservative elements. But this will take time.Harper and Flaherty started backtracking on the contents of the "Economic Update" too late. By the time they had started, the coalition was pretty much a done deal, and it was in no mood to compromise. They smell power, and are eager to punish Harper for his foolish over-reach. I think the GG will have to decide that Harper has lost the confidence of the House. I don't think she will dissolve Parliament and force an election. So, and this may just be wishful thinking on my part, I reckon the crazy coalition may just get a chance to govern. Now, how that will turn out is anyone's guess... Yours, Canadian Pinko Wed 03 Dec 2008 23:10:29 GMT+1 TrueToo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=74#comment80 78. happylaze,It looks highly likely that the Tories will win the next election, and by a large majority. If and when they do, do you really believe that the BBC will join the majority of voters in strewing champagne bottles around the place in celebration of a Tory victory?The idea is ludicrous. The BBC is positively pickled in left wing bias. Wed 03 Dec 2008 21:44:50 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=73#comment79 gloriousfalcon (#79), I'm not too keen on HRC as Secretary of State, either, but Powell has been there, and done that. I expect he's happy being retired from politics.I thought it would be Richardson, who was just named for Commerce. Perhaps he will move to State when HRC leaves it. Wed 03 Dec 2008 21:23:33 GMT+1 gloriousfalcon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=72#comment78 it`s a weak decision to choose Clinton, not Powell, bmmo. Wed 03 Dec 2008 20:46:15 GMT+1 happylaze http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=71#comment77 71Given the quality of the republicans cantidates why should the bbc not have come out the first day all for the dems.Also there was not a lot of love shown for Obama, maybe some for clinton.still" Jane Garvey inadvertently revealed during a radio interview that "the corridors of Broadcasting House were strewn with champagne bottles," after Labour's 1997 victory. Then she tried to backtrack and do damage control but, realising the game was up, said, "Wish I hadn't started this now.""Strange thing is so was most of the country strewn with bottles.It was pretty hard not to be against the tories in the end.they did make themselves rather hard to vote for.As with any organisation (strangely not in the USA) those at the top of the pyramid who have the say do not necessarily have the same views as the foot soldiers.There are normally more footsoldiers than generals.So footsoldiers cheer as labour get in but the generals might not have been. Wed 03 Dec 2008 20:01:24 GMT+1 Adrian_Evitts http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=70#comment76 I am disappointed by Obama's choices for his cabinet thus far - in foreign affairs and defence especially.Change we can believe in? How is Hillary going to promote the peace that is so badly needed in the Middle East given what she said about Iran in the run-up to the Democratic nomination and the fact that she voted for war in Iraq?And just how quickly is Obama going to get out of Iraq?I also wonder whether, as Simon Jenkins put it recently on a Radio 4 debate about Afghanistan, that conflict could turn out to be Obama's Vietnam.Why not ask the Supreme court to adjudicate on the evidence against Osama et al. in a process akin to that performed by a grand jury? Empowering the judiciary to do this would constitute respect for the separation of powers and would take politics out of what could be an escalation of military involvement with terrible consequences for all concerned. Remember what happened to the Soviet Union! Wed 03 Dec 2008 18:30:46 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=69#comment75 "71. At 07:50am on 03 Dec 2008, TrueToo wrote:Simon21,Yes, I know Hitler was a failed artist but you might notice I said Nazis in connection with the appreciation of the arts. I guess you argue simply to be confrontational, whether or not you actually have a point to make."I guess you do not read my posts before answering. You will find this is not what I said.The Nazi regime (ie more than Hitler) did not produce any great art worth considering beyond, admittedly, Leni Reifenstahl (sp?)"Justin's reporting on this election overall was obviously pro-Democrat. Come on Justin, admit it. Like the entire BBC team that covered the elections you were/are a starry-eyed Democrat."Is that an argument? Just stating something does not make it true.It is not "obvious" because it isn't true. Justin kept to the news agenda.In this election it was set by Obama and Palin."From the very beginning of this race the BBC put its considerable weight behind the Democrats, first enthusiastically endorsing Hilary Clinton and then Obama, while treating the Republicans, at best, as an unwanted guest at a party."From the start the Democrats were in a wining position, whether you are a follower of Russ Limbaugh or not. The BBC could not deny this.You apparently do."The BBC automatically sides with whoever is on the left of a political contest. Jane Garvey inadvertently revealed during a radio interview that "the corridors of Broadcasting House were strewn with champagne bottles," after Labour's 1997 victory. Then she tried to backtrack and do damage control but, realising the game was up, said, "Wish I hadn't started this now." That clip used to be available on the Internet. It ain't no more."Yes it isn't actually true and was not mennt to be taken as a literal piece of reporting.Ned Sherrin etc were hardly likely to be celebrating a Labour victory.One of the BBC's chief Westminster corres was an active member of the conservative party - as were several of its chairmen.As for the quotes, if you think they amount to a reasoned view of the situation, then it simply shows your own political bias.Face it the Democrats were the news in this election, as Reagan was in his.Try to understand the nature of journalism and reporting. Wed 03 Dec 2008 16:28:01 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=68#comment74 chronophobe, I followed your link to The Globe and Mail. Thank you. In there, under Harper's Options, Andrew Steele lists ten. The last, and presumably least desirable for Harper, is to step down as PM. Not being well informed on how Canadian party politics works, my question is this: If Harper himself is the problem which makes his minority government unworkable, and if he is unwilling to step down, can't the Conservatives replace him anyway in order to save their government? It seems to me if they elected a new PM with advice and consent from just one of the other three large parties (probably the Liberals), they could preserve the Conservative government (perhaps with a few other concessions as well). Wouldn't this be preferable to losing control of government altogether? Or is this just not the Canadian way of doing things? Wed 03 Dec 2008 16:11:50 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=67#comment73 wma, I quite understand. So much junk to get through does provoke speed, and as for age! I knew that once you hit 40 your near sight got hit. I know know that as you hit the late 40s, near sight is just a memory. Wed 03 Dec 2008 13:03:57 GMT+1 Parrisia http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=66#comment72 Miami Herald asks: "Will Secretary of State Hillary Clinton embrace his call for talking to Iran? Will Secretary of Defense Robert Gates back Obama's plan to withdraw from Iraq? Will national security adviser and retired Marine Gen. Jim Jones, a former military commander of NATO, embrace Obama's call to engage with Russia?"My question is: What id these people don't do as their President tells them to? Gates and Jones may be expendable, but Hillary? Will Obama have the nerve to tell her to go if things come to this? Wed 03 Dec 2008 10:43:14 GMT+1 watermanaquarius http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=65#comment71 seanspa # 66Apologies for my misunderstanding.. Speed reading after the event to your reply to a removed comment. I believe I was just focusing on the " As for the others...." ending in your reply. You are quite correct. I can not read. Old age has its drawbacks. Wed 03 Dec 2008 09:19:11 GMT+1 TrueToo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=64#comment70 Simon21,Yes, I know Hitler was a failed artist but you might notice I said Nazis in connection with the appreciation of the arts. I guess you argue simply to be confrontational, whether or not you actually have a point to make.Justin's reporting on this election overall was obviously pro-Democrat. Come on Justin, admit it. Like the entire BBC team that covered the elections you were/are a starry-eyed Democrat.From the very beginning of this race the BBC put its considerable weight behind the Democrats, first enthusiastically endorsing Hilary Clinton and then Obama, while treating the Republicans, at best, as an unwanted guest at a party.The BBC automatically sides with whoever is on the left of a political contest. Jane Garvey inadvertently revealed during a radio interview that "the corridors of Broadcasting House were strewn with champagne bottles," after Labour's 1997 victory. Then she tried to backtrack and do damage control but, realising the game was up, said, "Wish I hadn't started this now." That clip used to be available on the Internet. It ain't no more.but for anyone interested in the BBC's political bias, here's the transcript:Peter Allen: I want to hear what you thought of when, in 1997, on May the 2nd...Jane Garvey: Ah, well, I had been up for most of the night, er, but I was doing this Five Live breakfast programme with a colleague at the time,Peter Allen: Oh, you remember...Jane Garvey: It was a bloke called Peter AllenPeter Allen: YesJane Garvey: So, I had to get a bit of sleep, and I do remember I walked back into, we were broadcasting then from Broadcasting House in the centre of London, all very upmarket in those days, and the corridors of, er, Broadcasting House were strewn with empty champagne bottles.Peter Allen: (chuckles heartily)Jane Garvey: I'll always remember that, er, not that the BBC were celebrating...Peter Allen: (still chuckling throughout) No, no. No. Not at all!Jane Garvey: ...in any way shape or form, and, er, actually, I think it's fair to say that in the intervening years, uh, the BBC, if it ever was in love with Labour, has probably fallen out of love with Labour, or learnt to fall back in, or basically just learnt to be in the middle somewhere, which is how it should be, um, but there was always the suggestion that the BBC was full of pinkos who couldn't wait for Labour to get back into power, that may have been the case, who knows? But as I say, there have been a few problems along the way over the last ten years. Wish I hadn't started this now...Peter Allen: Interested to hear people's memories of May the 2nd 1997, you know the email, drive@bbc.co.uk, or text... Wed 03 Dec 2008 07:50:08 GMT+1 middlecroony http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=63#comment69 #67 wroteI find it shameful that Americans have attacked Bush in this manner. He was never impeached and he was much better at the transition than Clinton. Yeah, he is not a populist like Bill, but he never wanted the type of presidency he was given--------------------------------------------------------You can't pick and choose the perfect presidency for yourself. If you can't hack it than don't run for one of the most important jobs in the world, and now we know for sure G.B. should have stayed on the ranch. Wed 03 Dec 2008 02:46:50 GMT+1 chronophobe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=62#comment68 Re: 65 selfevidenttruthsHarper had been behaving himself 'till now. He got cocky, thinking the Libs would roll over. What really ticked off the other parties was the attempt to take away their Federal funding . . . Actually, I rather like the idea of separatists taking part in a governing coalition. Sort of takes the piss out of any notion of exclusion or oppression, eh?Cheers,Canadian Pinko Wed 03 Dec 2008 01:40:50 GMT+1 chronophobe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=62#comment67 Re: 60 Gary_A_Hill A spies and sex angle ala Profumo-Keeler would be fun.Good God man, we're Canadian! That would be altogether too much!Yours,A Canadian Pinko, shocked and appalled Wed 03 Dec 2008 01:29:50 GMT+1 george reilly http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=61#comment66 Justin,The truth is that Clinton is going to be VP in 4 years and then she is going to be president in 8. This is a way for her to get Foreign Policy experience and work in the executive branch. So long as things do not fall apart, then we could see Hillary running very strong in 2012. This strategy is why she took Sec State because it is the only way that she could be president. On the other hand, things go badly on foreign policy, or a major gaffe, and she is a liability and will soon find it hard to be elected to anything. If she is not running for president in 2016, she will not be running for anything and will be out of politics.Will we be as negative about Obama when things go wrong? I find it shameful that Americans have attacked Bush in this manner. He was never impeached and he was much better at the transition than Clinton. Yeah, he is not a populist like Bill, but he never wanted the type of presidency he was given. If we all remember way back when, Bush was on course for a non-interventionist foreign policy and better relations with Mexico. History will show that he did as well as he could with the hand that he was dealt. What would have Obama or Gore done in response to 9-11? Talk to the Taliban? Talk to Iraq? Wait? Make jokes about seances and short people (but quickly apologise) Good grief we now have the apologiser in chief. Dude, make a joke and take the flak but do not apologise. If you need to apologise, maybe you should not be making the joke in the first place. So much for Obama's brain, tact and diplomacy. Wed 03 Dec 2008 00:53:24 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=60#comment65 #56, wma, ????? I wasn't aware I'd labelled anyone anything. I did say say recently that another poster had incorrectly called some posters trolls. Can you not read, or me not type? Wed 03 Dec 2008 00:25:04 GMT+1 selfevidenttruths http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=59#comment64 54 chronophobe:Seems like quite a crisis! Thanks for the links, I'll be staying tuned. I can't imagine that westerners would be too fond of the coalition, or moderates for that matter, but it has been a while since I lived in the country, so I don't really have my finger on the pulse. Do not like the idea of the coalition myself (the Bloc with federal power? .. eek!), but I can see how Harper has made a big mistake. Hubris indeed. Wed 03 Dec 2008 00:01:13 GMT+1 chronophobe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=58#comment63 Apropos of Bach, music, and busking, a tale of two cities?LondonWashingtonNot so different either side of the Atlantic, perhaps. Remember always to smell the roses . . .Yours,Canadian Pinko Tue 02 Dec 2008 23:33:54 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=57#comment62 59. At 10:23pm on 02 Dec 2008, TrueToo wrote:"I wasn't around when Justin apparently said McCain would be president but whatever he said, there's no doubt that he sided with the Democrats. Here's Justin in late August on the Democratic convention once Obama had won the nomination:"Yes there is doubt he sided with the democrats because he didn't."It was stunning - a moment of brilliantly produced political theatre and a moment to cherish forever. Television conveys something but to be there, to see a death and a birth; that was something else.That doesn't sound like a Republican supporter to me."It doesn't occur to you with your fairly limited grasp of journalism that this might be true and has nothing to do with party affiliation.Justin might well be a "republican supporter", he may be a mormon, he may be a buddhist, but as long as he has proper news values he is an effective reporter."And now we have Justin making the weird assumption that a choice of music indicates good leadership ability. Well, the Nazis proved that great evil can coexist with a cultured appreciation of the finer points of art and music. So bang goes that theory."Unaware that Adolf had a fine appreciation of art and music, he preferred watching westerns and many (not all) of his cronies wouldn't have known a Bach Chorale if it hit them in the face.The Nazis were not known for the quality of their art.But it is just possible that Justin is not being literal. Tue 02 Dec 2008 23:16:46 GMT+1 middlecroony http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=56#comment61 This post has been Removed Tue 02 Dec 2008 23:02:11 GMT+1 middlecroony http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=55#comment60 #41 G&RDon't worry about that wall, they're all going home anyway. But now we have to reteach our spoiled kids how to work again, though spoiled stupid kids can become president as we've seen from the Bush dynasty Tue 02 Dec 2008 22:55:38 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=54#comment59 chronophobe (#54), "what more could (I) want in a political story?"A spies and sex angle ala Profumo-Keeler would be fun. Tue 02 Dec 2008 22:33:28 GMT+1 TrueToo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=53#comment58 I wasn't around when Justin apparently said McCain would be president but whatever he said, there's no doubt that he sided with the Democrats. Here's Justin in late August on the Democratic convention once Obama had won the nomination:It was stunning - a moment of brilliantly produced political theatre and a moment to cherish forever. Television conveys something but to be there, to see a death and a birth; that was something else.That doesn't sound like a Republican supporter to me.And now we have Justin making the weird assumption that a choice of music indicates good leadership ability. Well, the Nazis proved that great evil can coexist with a cultured appreciation of the finer points of art and music. So bang goes that theory.(Not that I'm making any judgement on Obama here, I hasten to add.) Tue 02 Dec 2008 22:23:22 GMT+1 mike http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=52#comment57 So that is Hilary boxed off to all corners of the globe, just Bill to deal with. Any vacancies on the Supreme Court coming up? Tue 02 Dec 2008 22:21:53 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=51#comment56 Has anyone noticed the change in Bush? Until recently he didn't deign to speak to the public. He never even smiled. Suddenly he is Mr. Friendly Good Guy. We've been here all along, fella. Just beneath your notice. Tue 02 Dec 2008 22:19:18 GMT+1 watermanaquarius http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=50#comment55 Justin,At the risk of being labeled by "seanspa" as making an attempt at garfinkelling, being a gadfly, or worse a troll I would like to contribute for what it is worth.I realise that for your profession Justin, it is necessary to sow the seeds of doubt, thus producing thought and comment, but reactions here seem to show a predominant Woody Allen psyche that flows through many American contributors responses. Sheer panic of routine things that are yet to be, with a cart before the horse judgment about Obama, his choices and his plans. Just what you want ? Weeks after his acceptance as P.E., although I can understand the questions raised for republicans, the doubting is not just reserved for their party. Almost everyone will not accept that the majority of new appointments right up to Obama himself, are entering uncharted waters as is normal for all new administrations.. Possibly the cross party nominations have a fringe knowledge of their position with experiences from the Repubs 8 years, but they too are part of the new team, and all who are chosen are experienced players, just entering a new season.. Although showing doubts and questioning is relevant from a journalistic standpoint and then the same as response from the blogging electorate to feel at home with his probable / possible courses of action, many bloggers choose the ultra-extreme phobia approach.Is it their guilt, fantasies, dreaming or just the necessity to complete a psychoanalytic transference to others here that alleviates their pain? Are the character problems surfacing via language, aggression and reactions invoking the moderation overtime?Today it is Hillary being nailed to the cross with not only her past , but her [im]possible future theoretical tangential actions being discussed. Although I agree Bill as ex-pres is the unwanted loose cannon in the mix, surely she must toe the line as team player and cannot promote her virtuoso performances and previous paths of preference. This is not a team playing a sport, and if it were, the kick-off is still 7+ weeks hence.Obama is no Rostropovich completing a solo piece of work. He is the conductor of the reassembled orchestra leading the US in the latest arrangements of specific suites to tame itself and later the world. For each "musician" to individually play in the wrong key or think that their separate music will resonate making the piece a whole is nonsense. Give them all a chance. [til proven otherwise] Every team needs dynamic short-stops in the camp.I believe it will be a masterclass performance. Tue 02 Dec 2008 22:15:25 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=50#comment54 Here's a list of former US Secretaries of State. There are a few Presidents in there.http://www.state.gov/secretary/former/index.htm Tue 02 Dec 2008 22:03:20 GMT+1 chronophobe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=49#comment53 Re: 40 Gary_A_HillAs a US citizen, I would not presume to take sides, but I find the subject a lot more interesting than the US presidential transition.I think it's pretty interesting too. Hubris, intrigue, socialists, separatists, what more could you want in a political story? The best coverage is, in my humble opinion, to be found in The Globe and Mail. The Globe is considered the voice of the Toronto elite by some, but I think is has more scope and depth of coverage than any other Canadian newspaper. For a regional perspective, try The Calgary Herald. Calgary is Harper's (and my) home town. The Herald reflects the uniquely Calgarian perspective on Canadian politics (at least somewhat). Happy reading,Canadian Pinko Tue 02 Dec 2008 22:00:02 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=48#comment52 leonrojo (#45), no Secretary of State has become President? Wasn't Thomas Jefferson Secretary of State? Tue 02 Dec 2008 21:58:54 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=47#comment51 #45. leonrojo: "No Secretary of State ever became a President."A couple of years back you could have said that no African-American ever became President - but you would have been wrong. Anything can happen in four or eight years. Tue 02 Dec 2008 21:44:32 GMT+1 Mike Mullen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=46#comment50 #49 Gary_A-Hill:"In 2016, HRC will be 68, too old to become president under most circumstances."On the other hand how old will Chelsea be then...? :-) Tue 02 Dec 2008 21:44:23 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=45#comment49 leonrojo (#45), if your language is Occitan or Catalan, a pirate is corsari. To us English-speaking folks, a pirate is just a pirate. Tue 02 Dec 2008 21:42:48 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=44#comment48 leonrojo (#45), I don't see how Hillary Clinton has a chance of becoming president, anyway. If Obama does a good job, he should be reelected. In 2016, HRC will be 68, too old to become president under most circumstances. Remember, in 2000, John McCain said he would be too old in 2008. Even though he changed his mind, he was right the first time.If Obama does not do well, and is not reelected, we will probably elect a Republican president in 2012, because he would really have to screw up not to be renominated. Tue 02 Dec 2008 21:27:45 GMT+1 Mike Mullen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=43#comment47 #45 leonrojo:"I believe that Obama and Clinton made a big mistake selecting her as the Secretary of State. Secretary of State is the a dead end job. She will have to divorce Bill or resign.No Secretary of State ever became a President."Really don't see your logic, and SoS have become President just not in recent times, then again Senators don't often become President either...#47 allmymarbles:"It looks like we will never get rid of the Clintons. My greatest hope in the campaign was to crush the Clinton machine. I wonder what Obama is up to."I think he's tying her future ambitions to the success of his Presidency, and if the Clinton machine wasn't crushed it was certainly battered... Tue 02 Dec 2008 21:19:23 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=42#comment46 It looks like we will never get rid of the Clintons. My greatest hope in the campaign was to crush the Clinton machine. I wonder what Obama is up to. Tue 02 Dec 2008 20:05:14 GMT+1 Jeebers76 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=41#comment45 Hey SaintOne!So, now you see just how well the Republicans spooked us Americans into electing them the past 30 years.... Sigh.Refer to my post#9 if you want the details in the taxing issues thread. It's long, but it explains a lot... Tue 02 Dec 2008 19:22:46 GMT+1 leonrojo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=40#comment44 I believe that Obama and Clinton made a big mistake selecting her as the Secretary of State. Secretary of State is the a dead end job. She will have to divorce Bill or resign.No Secretary of State ever became a President.On another subect.This business of pirates in Africa.I don't think they are pirates. I thing they are corsaries and where are those commandos of Israel,The United States and England? Tue 02 Dec 2008 19:20:18 GMT+1 Jeebers76 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=39#comment43 I'm glad Justin has some taste, but that DID kinda strike me as either sucking up or backhandedly admitting he goofed....Oh well, pretty amusing anyway!Clinton cigar box? Nah, go for a Bill dildo or a Clinton box of condoms..... (evil smirk) Tue 02 Dec 2008 19:19:02 GMT+1 mdalerwill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=38#comment42 #20 cathyjs,There are those who might argue that American foreign policy put us in danger from foreign terrorism in the first place. Granted, GWB didn't start us down that path, but he surely didn't turn us around.So, no, I don't think you'll find many people crediting him with keeping us safe, especially if you happen to be an Arab-American or Muslim American held without charge for no reason other than you are of the wrong ethnicity or worship God using the wrong name.During WWII, we imprisoned over 100,000 innocent Americans to keep "us" safe. Great for us white anglo-saxon protestants. Not so good for them.And as far as the minority suffering for the stupid choices of the majority, why should the next 4 years be any different from the last 8? Tue 02 Dec 2008 19:10:32 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=37#comment41 ref #35Don't tell me you subcribe to the Chopra philosophy of appeasment.He seems to blame the victims weather U.S or India.India and the U.S just happen to be democraciesHeyDeepra: they are terrorists, unless all women wear burkhas and men bow to the Islamic inolerance philosophy would they be satisfied.Bush has made mistakes but he rightly calls this is a War on Terrorism Tue 02 Dec 2008 18:26:34 GMT+1 gunsandreligion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=37#comment40 #39, middlecroony, I believe that we have seenthe end of the Bush dynasty. Too bad that theydidn't get that Great Wall thing finished. Tue 02 Dec 2008 18:02:26 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=36#comment39 Here's a Canadian perspective on the question of whether the other parties should "get into bed" with the Bloc Quebecois:http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/12/02/national-post-editorial-board-the-liberal-party-s-gift-to-quebec-s-separatists.aspxAs a US citizen, I would not presume to take sides, but I find the subject a lot more interesting than the US presidential transition. Tue 02 Dec 2008 17:55:19 GMT+1 middlecroony http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=35#comment38 #38 G&R...and the Bush family isn't a dynasty? Tue 02 Dec 2008 17:46:21 GMT+1 gunsandreligion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=34#comment37 All of this Clinton-theorizing has confirmed (for me)the suspicion that the Clintons are really a dynasty.It's too bad that I didn't pick up a Clinton vase whenthey were in fashion; hopefully, I'll be able to pickone up at a garage sale from someone who doesn'tknow what it is.But, of course, there is always the possibility ofmy opening a business making reproductions ofClinton-era memorabilia. Can you see a Clinton cigar box?But, then, I would have to compete with this guy. Tue 02 Dec 2008 17:22:43 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=33#comment36 AsaScot (#17), I think it's fair to describe the political situation in Canada as a "crisis." Here's the definition of the term from my favorite online dictionary:http://www.bartleby.com/61/2/C0750200.htmlIt doesn't mean that Canada will fall into the ocean or otherwise fall to pieces; it just means that urgent action is needed to sort the matter out. If the Governor General had to interrupt her European trip (which she did) to return to Canada to perform her duties, that qualifies as a crisis.We (in the US) have to use the CBC to keep informed on Canada, not the BBC. Tue 02 Dec 2008 17:09:39 GMT+1 Mike Mullen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=32#comment35 #28 sweetsmellofsuccess:"The ruling party, having just won nearly 50% of the seats in parliament, is now under threat from a signed coalition by three minority parties. The Governor-General has to choose between a fresh election or asking the coalition to form a government."All right to take this seriously the GG should go for another election as the other option rewards political game playing and any coalition that depends on the Quebec Bloc is doomed to fail when their every demand isn't met instantly. Tue 02 Dec 2008 17:06:21 GMT+1 SaintOne http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=31#comment34 "Not everyone in the US hates George Bush. He has kept our soil safe for seven years now while worldwide terror goes on. Not too many other countries have enjoyed that safety and security."It's that kind of short-sighted opinion which has alienated the US from most of the world. You can keep your soil safe witohut bombing the living daylights out of middle eastern countries. In the long term, he has just angered more people and given the extremist more ammunition to try and "justify" their war against the west. "Unfortunately the minority will have to suffer the consequences of the majority's poor choice"Well for the last two terms the majority suffered the consequences of the minority's poor choice.I can understand how you feel that your nation gained security under the Bush administartion, but I tihnk the whole world will pay the price in the future for it.Kinda glad your part of the minority nowPeace Tue 02 Dec 2008 16:54:13 GMT+1 middlecroony http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=30#comment33 I think this piece is petty and mostly irrelevant.Short or tall cabinet members, who cares.As for the Clintons, like they've been saying keep them close and under your control. I think Hillary will be a strong Secratary of State, though I don't particularly care for ideas such as the annihilation of complete countries or what Obama said, if Bin Ladens in our sights, WE'LL TAKE HIM OUT! What is that? Hopefully that was just trying to appeal to the right wing for votes.Whatever happened to a little espionage?-------------------------------------------------------- #20 cathyjsProve that it was G.B. that kept our soil safe all this time and not coincidence. Why can't you just wait and see before you judge Obama. This country has had a slow linching for eight under Bush. The terrorists didn't need to attack again, they could see we could bury ourselves just fine. Tue 02 Dec 2008 16:52:18 GMT+1 gtggtg http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=29#comment32 Obama is a former basketball player (if a benchwarmer) and is 6'1"--although he actually looks taller in person. The average height in the US (male) is around 5'10". Women? Around 5'4". The HuffPost slide show showed 3 women cabinet appointees who were shorter than Obama, and one man. That would be: As expected, statistically. His best chance of putting together a cabinet that is shorter than him? Hire a lot of women, and also people of color, who are likely to be shorter, even among males:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_heightHow crafty! A Napoleon complex, no doubt about it. Can't be any other explanation. Tue 02 Dec 2008 16:24:03 GMT+1 chronophobe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=28#comment31 Re: 5. sweetsmellofsuccessNo comments on the possible constitutional crisis in Canada, then, Mr North America Correspondent? . . . We get USA stories all day every day. Why not educate and illuminate people about something that might not have been done to death yet? Good point. Not so concerned with the blog topics, but the actual reportage from Canada and Mexico are both quite sparse on the BBC World site. I was going to chime in with a primer on the lessons Stephen Harper is currently learning about ruling in a minority parliament, but I see you've got a post in process. Hopefully you've done the job for me. Yours,Canadian Pinko Tue 02 Dec 2008 15:52:57 GMT+1 selfevidenttruths http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=27#comment30 5 sweet:Am sympathetic to your plea. There is a little confusion because this blog is labeled 'Justin Webb's America', but his title is 'BBC's North America correspondent', so strictly speaking the blog is just about America, but it would be nice to have the occasional comment on matters Canadian/Mexican. Tue 02 Dec 2008 15:44:05 GMT+1 selfevidenttruths http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=26#comment29 23 Doug:You are right about security, but has this been any less the case in recent times? I guess HC is the most high profile SoS appointee for a while though ...In such a scenario, I can't imagine any US administration, of whatever stripe, not reacting very strongly indeed. Do they play through these possibilities, as in the manner of wargames? Tue 02 Dec 2008 15:39:09 GMT+1 selfevidenttruths http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=25#comment28 I think Obama's security appointments are on the whole wise, and thought out. He is obviously not afraid of internal debate, which I think shows a lot of strength. To have such a range of opinions and experience at hand can be no bad thing. Pragmatism may be exactly what is needed at this current time.Very funny 'short' piece.Obama's personal taste in music is neither here nor there. He could be into Crass, the KLF or Stockhausen, as long as he delivers who cares. Having said that, a cultured president (if we are assuming he will be), is probably an asset when cultivating relationships with foreign leaders. Tue 02 Dec 2008 15:32:21 GMT+1 sweetsmellofsuccess http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=25#comment27 #10 - I don't think you were looking very hard, were you? The ruling party, having just won nearly 50% of the seats in parliament, is now under threat from a signed coalition by three minority parties. The Governor-General has to choose between a fresh election or asking the coalition to form a government. Sounds like a constitutional crisis to me.#17 - you want something new? What, like 'President Elect chooses people to work for him'? That hasn't happened since, ooh, the last time there was a President Elect. And the time before that. Etc.Nice to hear from a bunch of Americans who think the world ends at their borders. Wasn't that the kind of attitude they've been lambasting for the past eight years? Maybe some people want to hear about a G8 country with one of the largest oil reserves in the world. Or understand more about how the USA's drug habits are leading to thousands of deaths among their neighbours. Maybe that's more interesting than which piece of Bach is Obama's favourite? Tue 02 Dec 2008 15:11:15 GMT+1 Bobsy26 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=24#comment26 Obama now has his Gordon Brown in place. The Obama/Blair parallels keep piling up. See you in 8 years, Clinton?On a sidetrack, I note that the usual political cartoon depiction of Obama is remarkably similar to that of Blair. The jutting ears, the enormous grin... I wonder just how many cartoonists did it as a concious choice, and how many found it just came automatically. Tue 02 Dec 2008 14:49:07 GMT+1 Young-Mr-Grace http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=23#comment25 Post 17 AsaScot asks whats news about the possibility of the first coalition govt in Canada since WW1 and claims it was easily predictable. That Obama at over 1.8 metres in height would appoint people shorter than him to government positions was also predictable but unlike the canadian story it is of absolutlely no significance whatsoever.You're all doing very well !! Tue 02 Dec 2008 14:47:13 GMT+1 Young-Mr-Grace http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=22#comment24 post No. 11 SamTyler1969 '......Any disagreements will be settled 'one on one' at hoops......'Are you suggesting that just because Obama is from Hawaii he'll be able to swivle his hula hoop better than the rest of his cabinet...?Rock-a-hula, rock rock-a-hula, uuhh huh huh.You're all doing very well !! Tue 02 Dec 2008 14:41:50 GMT+1 DougTexan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=21#comment23 19. DavidGinsberg wrote:"...reckon Hilary's appointment will lead to and end to the arab isreali conflict as both sides desperatly try to avoid her making a visit to the region."Landing under insistant sniper fire? Tue 02 Dec 2008 14:35:18 GMT+1 DougTexan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=20#comment22 I was surprised at the choice of Hillary honestly, not that she can't perform the job admirably, but that shes is a former First Lady and Bill is Former Prez, both with security contigents for life.And a prize for any terrorist group in the many hot-spots that a SoS would be landing in. Can you imagine the required actions from the United States and BHO particularly if she were to be captured,... say by Al-queda or Hamas,.....or would that fall under the Biden statement, that we might not like all of President Barrys decisions? Tue 02 Dec 2008 14:32:48 GMT+1 DougTexan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=19#comment21 8. frostymarcia "..., I feel that GWB has been insulting me and the rest of the world by his policies and actions for 8 years - so he's fair game from my point of view!"Huh? Okay, I'll give that you would rather have Saddam killing his own and having them blindfolded and pushed off buildings for entertainment,.....and I'll give ya that you'd rather have Afganistan left alone, to have free rain to spread terrorism worldwide,....and the insult, not having multiple bomnings and terrorist attacks in Britian and the USA, that is an insult.......continued Country and Western hoe down music in the white house and the Grand Ole Opry is quite insulting.. even though we really don't know his preference,.. ands thats insulting..(GW)..oh, and the insult of continued talks and peace in multiple world locations at his administrations lead or co-operation with others,..geez,.....most insulting was the freedom left to vote for our next president,. and did you see the way he offered friendship, assitance and co-operation with the opposing party during the transition,.. willickers,.. how insulting.Your a piece of work Tue 02 Dec 2008 14:22:18 GMT+1 SaintDominick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=18#comment20 I don't see any risk in the appointment of Hillary Clinton, even though I have had reservations about her judgment as a result of some of the tactics she employed during the campaign. Cabinet members, like managers in the public sector and all public officials, have a boss and operate within the constraints of the office they hold. Hillary's job is to implement the vision and policies set forth by her boss, the POTUS, and I expect her to do that flawlessly.Concerning classical music, my favorites are Rodrigo's Concerto de Aranjuez and Albeniz' Asturias, but I also love Bethoven and Bach. I guess my Spanish heritage is, indeed, a controlling factor in my life.Concerning cheap shots directed at W, I would not bother with esoteric nuances such as classical music or literature; I find his comments during his interview with Charlie Gibson regarding his feelings for the economic mess we are in much more revealing of what has got to be the most egregious example of irresponsibility ever uttered by a world leader. According to our illustrious leader responsibility for our economic and fiscal debacles lie on decisions made over a decade ago. What transpired during the past 8 years is inconsequential. I'll remember him as the president whose motto was "the buck stops everywhere but here". Tue 02 Dec 2008 14:17:14 GMT+1 cathyjs http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=17#comment19 Not everyone in the US hates George Bush. He has kept our soil safe for seven years now while worldwide terror goes on. Not too many other countries have enjoyed that safety and security.Not everyone here is happy about the election of Obama either, contrary to what the media seems to believe. There are many who see him as a danger to our nation, a weak inexperienced man who has never had a leadership position.While Obama's election speaks highly for the American democratic process it also speaks poorly towards the gullibility of those Americans who voted him in without really looking into the feasibility of his promises. Just because more people voted for him does not make them right, it merely makes them the majority. Unfortunately the minority will have to suffer the consequences of the majority's poor choice. Tue 02 Dec 2008 14:14:12 GMT+1 DavidGinsberg http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=16#comment18 Hi Justin, have you seen the daily mash's brilliant take on the story? They reckon Hilary's appointment will lead to and end to the arab isreali conflict as both sides desperatly try to avoid her making a visit to the region. Tue 02 Dec 2008 13:58:31 GMT+1 Mike Mullen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=15#comment17 #13 OldSouth:"And, I missed the news--what do BHO and Hilary plan to do about BILL? Is there some distant golf course he can be consigned to, with guards to both protect him and keep him on the property?"There's some sort of complex deal where he's had to list his various activities and agree to restrictions on his speaking and fund raising. Of course what will really keep him in line is the thought of the living hell Hilary will turn his existence into if he messes things up for her... Tue 02 Dec 2008 13:58:07 GMT+1 Mike Mullen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=14#comment16 #5 sweetsmellos success:"No comments on the possible constitutional crisis in Canada, then, Mr North America Correspondent?Or the crisis of killings and corruption in the anti-drugs efforts of Mexico, Mr North America Correspondent?"Sorry but you would have to ask what's new, or indeed news, in either of those issues? Canada has been stumbling along with a minority goverment for some time, the opposition were bound to bring it down sooner or later, hardly a constitutional crisis. As for Mexico, sadly nothing new there either.As to Clinton as SoS this is her chance to prove herself on the big stage, if she harbours any remaining hopes to be President one day she needs to prove she can work as part of this team. Any suggestions of backstabbing or disloyalty and she can kiss those dreams goodbye. Tue 02 Dec 2008 13:53:45 GMT+1 Nick-Gotts http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=13#comment15 OldSouth@13You did indeed miss the news. Bill has agreed to make public the identities of 200,000 donors to his charity. Quite probably there are other agreements from him that have not been made public. Tue 02 Dec 2008 13:50:34 GMT+1 SamTyler1969 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=12#comment14 #1 Felix,Of course W has heard of Bach. That's what Barney does just before he bites you.Veterinarian Sam Tue 02 Dec 2008 13:48:31 GMT+1 UraGraymalkin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=12#comment13 #7'Obama like Bach, and the classy folks here find an excuse to insult George Bush.'Do you not find the fact that that's all the excuse people need somewhat telling? Tue 02 Dec 2008 13:45:20 GMT+1 OldSouth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=11#comment12 OK, the 'Short People' bit is FUNNY! I can hear the Randy Newman song streaming through my memory even now.And, if it is true that he loves (and listens to) the Cello Suites, this is good news, on a lot of levels. And, I missed the news--what do BHO and Hilary plan to do about BILL? Is there some distant golf course he can be consigned to, with guards to both protect him and keep him on the property? Tue 02 Dec 2008 13:40:08 GMT+1 Nick-Gotts http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=10#comment11 "classy folks here find an excuse to insult George Bush." - Billy2USAThe problem I have is not finding excuses to insult George Bush - it's finding any epithet that could possibly be construed as insulting, when applied to such a loathsome and contemptible individual. Tue 02 Dec 2008 13:32:02 GMT+1 SamTyler1969 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=9#comment10 #11Justin,Isn't it obvious why Obama has chosen a bunch of shorties for his cabinet? Any disagreements will be settled 'one on one' at hoops. He is cleverly tilting his hand on this one.Sportsman Sam Tue 02 Dec 2008 13:26:38 GMT+1 lochraven http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=8#comment9 #5 sweetsmellofsuccess:Sorry, but it's where it's at.I didn't know that Canada has a constitutional crisis, so I logged on to a few newspaper in Toronto and didn't find any mention of it, or maybe I didn't understand what I was reading.But what I did find in reading these pages was how ordinary and everyday the articles were, just like here. Crime, poverty, the economy and the bickering thats going on in your government, How alike we are. Tue 02 Dec 2008 13:19:36 GMT+1 Nick-Gotts http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/12/clinton_risk.html?page=7#comment8 "anyone who knows these sublime works, disciplined, ambitious, yet achingly beautiful, will know that a presidential candidate who loves them will almost certainly win. Wish I had known it last year." - Justin WebbCome on now, Mr. Webb: you missed a political phenomenon of tremendous significance, placing your money instead on a sour and crotchety has-been. No feeble excuses! Tue 02 Dec 2008 13:18:54 GMT+1