Comments for en-gb 30 Sat 02 Aug 2014 05:07:22 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at dennisjunior1 it doesn't like that palin; works that good under pressure! Thu 25 Dec 2008 03:54:29 GMT+1 SunshinePlus The truth wins over tactics and strategy anytime and Obama represents the truth to most of the world. It is that simple. Enough said, Mon 06 Oct 2008 13:24:48 GMT+1 dattatt Isn't any American men and women wired into the Sarah Palin hype old enough to remember Spiro Agnew,Nixon's running mate in 1972 ,wowing the media with such phrases as 'nattering nabobs" of the left ? The similarity and the wow factor are stunningly spooky. When one also remember that months into vice-presidency, Agnew pleaded no-contest to a felony charge and resigned, forebodings start gathering. I think BBC will do a service if it reminds its viewers by clips on spiro Agnew-- and also perhaps the beautiful Mr Dan Quale ,another Vice-President who though Latin Americans spoke in latin ! Thu 02 Oct 2008 05:10:15 GMT+1 benquiet America has been a pretty dismal scene for almost 8 years because of endless war, low wages, tax breaks only for the wealthy, trampling of the Constitution, indictments of public officials and on and on. There has been one reliable source of humor, Bush and Bushisms. That bright spot is is leaving the world stage, but good old John McCain offers a new act.Call her what you like, Nanook of the North, Napoleon in Mukluks, Sister Sarah on a Snowmobile or the Guiding Light of the Tundra. She has overwhelmed audiences in the US with just 2 interviews. Get ready world. This little lady has miscommunicative talent to burn. Blonds are rejoicing in their elevated intellectual status. If she doesn't entertain at the debate, blame it on her script writers. If she abandons her script and wings it, a la Robin Williams her mangled remarks are just natural, so hang on for a barrel of laughs. We don't, however, need 4 years of it. Thu 02 Oct 2008 00:45:30 GMT+1 karrapavan I hope that McCain wins. I was worried about who would provide Bushisms. I guess Palin can entertain us for another 16(8 as VP and 8 as P) years. Looking forward to good times. Wed 01 Oct 2008 16:30:56 GMT+1 Shaun Harvey #219What should Justin Webb say? Palin has performed unbelievably badly in interviews, has a questionable track record and is a creationist. For the majority of college educated people this is deeply concerning for a woman that may well be a future president of the United States. To report that she has performed well in the name of 'objectivity' would defeat the purpose of a blog and would simply be dismissive of fact (something Palin seems, willingly or otherwise) to be quite capable of. Tue 30 Sep 2008 16:09:30 GMT+1 objectivemyrse Justin Webb is a disgrace to objective reporting. Does he have the faintest idea how transparent he is ? Tue 30 Sep 2008 13:08:30 GMT+1 Trebor The BBC and the Democrats in the States are certainly worried about Palin. It is quite amusing to see all the "she's rubbish" comments. If she was that bad the Beeb wouldn't bother to knock her. She must be a big threat! Tue 30 Sep 2008 09:16:24 GMT+1 SamTyler1969 This post has been Removed Tue 30 Sep 2008 02:44:21 GMT+1 SunshinePlus The American citizen needs intelligent articulate statesmen qualities in their leadership . . . .not a cheerleader! Tue 30 Sep 2008 01:57:55 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart NoRash,Now bookmark it!;-)ed Mon 29 Sep 2008 23:00:07 GMT+1 U12831485 203. A, LadyBobbieBea wrote:No. 161 FritzNow, you two, you could have linked to it and left it alone, but you had to get some more mileage out of it. I think you crossed the line. What do you have to say for yourselves now?_____I'm afraid I can't quite follow, what's your point ?__________195. David_Cunard:But, like Sophisticated Sam, you fail to see the attraction of that to a large segment of American society.--------It might not have become clear, but I see and even understand that attraction.That's why the Palin comedy is grotesque, not funny. Mon 29 Sep 2008 22:48:47 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart NoRashDecisionsEasy Linking and other tricksDon't forget your hat;-)ed Mon 29 Sep 2008 22:42:27 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions Google's web cite Mon 29 Sep 2008 22:32:40 GMT+1 gunsandreligion For those of you who feel a magnetic attractionto Sarah, here is the cure. Mon 29 Sep 2008 21:51:33 GMT+1 allmymarbles 162."The gamblers are giving Virginia, Ohio, Florida and Nevada to Obama, but not North Carolina. As of today: Obama 59+, McCain 40+"Update: Obama 61.6, McCain 38.4. Mon 29 Sep 2008 21:51:14 GMT+1 tuptocom One thing that I keep seeing repeated in the comments are the words Palin and experience, those two words don't go together. Mon 29 Sep 2008 21:39:40 GMT+1 watermanaquarius Hey NoRash, # 193Ed seems to be busy. Tried it myself and it is as he says - a doodle [ easy]This is Eds link site'instruction links [ I hope]Regards wma Mon 29 Sep 2008 21:02:45 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions Justin, you can't have it both ways. Palin is either Thatcher or the world's biggest discrais. Take your pick. Mon 29 Sep 2008 20:33:25 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions Cheese Me Too (#106) writes, '"You would expect American news media to have more in depth coverage of an American story."And indeed they do! Wtch any American news channel. All they have covered since the beginning of the year has been the election. Trust me, on this front at least, the media is more than doing their job!"What a bizare comment, do the likes of Fox have 'parades of armies of top flight analysts' to cover British politics? Thought not."First of all, Fox news is the most right wing bias news organisation in the history of broadcasting!! Even moderate Republicans think it is too right wing!! So don't take what they say as gospel, rather turn to CNN or MSNBC for more credable information. And second, no they don't, but what is largely because a general election has not yet been called (or forced) which ever comes first, in the UK as of yet. But once one is, believe me, US news media will cover it just as the BBC covers US elections! The level of intencity is just different because UK elections last a month, where as US ones last a year. Mon 29 Sep 2008 20:21:55 GMT+1 john-In-Dublin 200 LURKINGBLACKHAT wrote:"DB is quite right when he says..."Tedious predictable rightwing whinge. The BBC are raving lefties, a leading blogger they don't like writes with crayon, the nasty old media are picking on the poor little Republicans, yada yada - REALLY clever stuff.And Mr Hat [who as I recall is a puppet on South Park] doesn't bother telling us who on earth "DB" is. I'm guessing his surname is BraneAnd his given name is Richard..... Mon 29 Sep 2008 20:12:44 GMT+1 LadyBobbieBea No. 171 WanderingI'm sad to report that it's probably very true in more numbers than we would like to admit. I cite my own mother as an example. Very intelligent, educated, and still sharp as a tack at 83, she agrees with me on the candidates and the issues, however, she cannot bring herself to voting for Senator Obama. She won't speak it out loud; however, we've covered every other reason. She just won't admit her prejudice.My daughter's generation, (she's 30), however, is far less prejudice.b Mon 29 Sep 2008 20:05:24 GMT+1 LadyBobbieBea Nos. 152 and 163 EdNo. 161 FritzI would like to see Palin thoroughly challanged on all levels: her education, experience, and her political decisions, regardless of her gender. All this is instrumental in making the best decisions for the future of our nation.Now, you two, you could have linked to it and left it alone, but you had to get some more mileage out of it. I think you crossed the line. What do you have to say for yourselves now?This differs from Sam's healthy male appreciation of the Senator's wife...he wasn't crude, just very silly.b Mon 29 Sep 2008 20:00:59 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions "I think it is perfectly possible that Palin will "win" - some good pre-prepared stunts should do the trick - but at a cost: further alienation of the college-educated centre ground. Palin fever still exists at the grassroots but it has disappeared among the Republican elite and been replaced by plain old sweats."I have 2 points I would like to make after reading such offencive material.1. non-college-educated people don't like Palin as well, you just haven't met any yet!! You don't need a college digree in order to not think that a contender for one of your nation's highest offices doesn't deserve to be contending for that office!! And this is simply done via judgeing (with one's tiny brain mass, most likely Atention Deffosot Disorder, eyes and ears) that that contender is a ditz and an airhead, who doesn't clearly have the knoeledge (not experience!), but "knoledge" to lead based on interviews given and speeches made!! Its a fact of life! All people should be offended by this statement--"college educated" or not!!!Its not about experience! Its about intellijence! Of course the Democrats can't dare atack her on lacking either one, as that would surely (as has been done in the past) be branded as "elitest and sexist!!" How very sad! What! Like Republicans don't have "elitests and sexists" in their ranks as well?2. Unlike yourself and CirylCroydon at #116, I don't believe that all she has to do in order to be branded the "winner" is to successfully string a coherent sentence together with relletive ease, Because her ignorance and at times thoughtlessness will still shine through. I would ask you and CiroylCroydon to please not stereotype Independents quite so soon and quite so harshly just yet. They care just as much as everyone else about her level of intellijence and good judgement, as they do about her "verbage," as she likes to put it.But Justin, its just as well. I recommend that you seriously consider forgoing all the rest of the remaining debates all together. They'll never hold a candle to the British version of debate, and as long as you and those other Britins continue to not accept that our two systems of government are different and furthermore accept the American system for what it is, then you will continue to be let down every time. As I've said before, I think we Americans need to learn from the British how to keep our candidates on the streight and narrow, and to not be afraid to show our true feelings in a debate setting!!! But I also think that the British need to redescover what it means to respect your fellow man. If we both do this, what wonderfully improved systems of government we will have!!! But I wouldn't hold my breath. I'll just watch for the inevidable continueance of people from both countries slamming each other's system because they don't understand or accept it. Let the fighting begin! Mon 29 Sep 2008 19:54:48 GMT+1 mdalerwill It makes no sense to me to suggest that to have "skin" at stake in this election you must represent the far right, as Sarah Palin does.I have plenty at stake, and I do NOT identify with Sarah Palin. First of all, I'm not impressed in the slightest with the demonizing of education. My education did not make me elitist. It helped me climb out of generations of poverty and into the middle class (for now anyway - that's one of the things I have at stake). It made me think about the place I hold in my family, gender, community, country and world. However, my education also made it harder to BS me with jingoism, which seems to be the order of the day.I also don't consider it "gutsy" to bomb anyone who back-talks the USA or threatens our place as the most powerful nation in the world. I don't relate to playing on the disgraceful ignorance most Americans have of other countries to make us fall in line out of anger and fear of the "Other".While Gov. Palin is being briefed on foreign affairs, perhaps someone should also explain mutually assured destruction.And before someone suggests I'm nothing but an elitist lefty city-slicker, I'm a moderate Repubican from the impoverish rural Central Valley of California (a conservative bastion in a liberal state). I don't want to vote for Obama, but I don't like the fear-mongering coming from the other side of the ticket. Mon 29 Sep 2008 19:53:56 GMT+1 LURKINGBLACKHAT DB is quite right when he says"I can’t believe Justin Webb is serious when he cites Andrew Sullivan as a source for Republican views about Sarah Palin. Sullivan couldn’t be more in the tank for Obama if he tried, and he’s one of the few people with an even more extreme case of Palin Derangement Syndrome than Justin Webb. I get the impression from Sullivan’s recent demented rantings that he writes his blog onto the padded walls of a secure cell with a chunky crayon wedged between his toes, and then some poor intern at the Atlantic Monthly has to transcribe it for the Watergate all over again. Only a very biased journalist could claim that these trivialities are important; they’re certainly not in the same league as Rezko, Ayers, ACORN, Obama’s $1m earmark for his wife’s hospital following her huge salary increase, internet. The "If Palin were a male candidate" article doesn’t work because there’s a male candidate with no executive experience who has far more extensive and dubious past links and has received a free pass from the MSM - Barack Obama. Likewise AP’s earth-shattering revelations about Palin’s failure to remove a potential fire hazard from her home, and receiving a free ‘awesome facial’ and some ‘absolutely gorgeous flowers’ as gifts - wow, it’s or a host of other dodgy deals and associations brushed under the carpet by the media. The BBC likes to claim its journalists are objective, impartial observers, but Webb once again proves this is nonsense." Mon 29 Sep 2008 19:31:56 GMT+1 MKnoll I'm predicting a circus.Biden will be so geared up to attack Palins credibility that he will make gaffs of his own and come across as an angry, ill informed oaf.Both VP candidates are woefully bad choices. Mon 29 Sep 2008 19:22:46 GMT+1 gunsandreligion #195, David_C, Palin has obvious failings, butI can see why she would have popular appeal.As for Obama, I can't speak for the electorateas whole, but I can explain why I don't trust theguy.To be brief: he is popular but he has no friends.Everyone in his life except for his immediate relatives has been "thrown under the bus"for the sake of his campaign. OJ Simpson wouldhave more friends, except that they are all dead.Much is made about how "American" his story is,but there is something distinctly "foreign" abouthim to Americans, as if he came from anotherplanet. He reinvents himself too easily.I don't see his family roots, as I would a Colin Powell.His background is murky to me. I know moreabout Justin Webb from the brief description thathe posted, than I do about this man runningfor President. And, I still predict that some Great Flaw willemerge shortly before the election which willshow us who he really is. If it were not for the factors that I mentionedabove, I would vote for the man. I just don'tknow who he is. Mon 29 Sep 2008 19:13:36 GMT+1 watermanaquarius BALTIMOREHON #123 and lawchicago # 135 and others.Thank you. There was something in the back of my mind that struck me when I first read about Palin:- Alaska, guns, meese[s], polar bearskids, graft, authority, etc etc not forgetting that homespun apple pie image: about what this candidate should do when she left or is asked to leave politics, which will be sooner rather than later. Your words reminded me--- -Entertainment.Obviously as Americans you are unaware of the BBC kids program -BLUE PETERPlease read the link- its an eyeopener!" Many items from Blue Peter's history have passed into television legend, especially moments when things have gone wrong, such as the much-repeated clip of Lulu the elephant (from a 1969 edition)[4] who defecated on the studio floor, trod on presenter John Noakes' foot and then proceeded to attempt an exit, dragging her keeper along the ground behind her. Other well-remembered and much-repeated items include the Girl Guides' campfire that got out of hand on the 1970 Christmas edition, John Noakes' report on the cleaning of Nelson's Column,[5] and Simon Groom referring to a previous item on door-knockers with the words 'What a beautiful pair of knockers".Still going strong after 50 years it is a combination of fun, games, cooking, pets and minor celebrities, building models etc using lots of "sticky back plastic", old washing up bottles and lollypop sticks.Sounds stupid but the program thought up world wide expressions like " and now for something completly different" as used by the Monty Python team.Obviously her presence as an ex beauty queen as used in the original BP format does not count for much in kids TV these days but I think it will be a pre for adult middle redneck American coast to coast daytime viewing.Home construction tips from Bridge to nowhere experience, Religion, badgesbringing up kids, cooking- moose cake, moose pie, moose stew, " moose en brochette, or "Alaskan Meese Impalined" as she probably names it at home and of course what to do with the left over antlers and polar bear skins and claws."Here's one I made earlier"! Fishing stories, minor political discussions, gardening, charity work and collections and minor legal advice about everything, not forgetting support your local sheriff campaigns etc.I believe you Americans work much harder than we Europeans, but even so in your senior years there is more call for good daytime television where everything is now geared to the late shows- Leno, Stewart etc etc. There are many to many smart @ss funny and serious morons on TV and the media is crying out for somebody different, and so a homespun working Mom fits the bill.Suggest it to the networks and get in on the ground floor.You could make millions if you approach the right people, and Oprah might end up on social security. Mon 29 Sep 2008 19:11:40 GMT+1 allmymarbles 132, Magic ubermensch.You know how it is. You just can't trust the untermenschen. Mon 29 Sep 2008 18:59:38 GMT+1 David Cunard #156. Fritz_Kraut: "Count on simple views for entertainment!"But, like Sophisticated Sam, you fail to see the attraction of that to a large segment of American society. Her appeal is because she has succeeded and has obvious failings. That she's wrong on almost every count is immaterial, it's her visceral appeal to what years back was called The Silent Majority. They may not be as well educated or informed in the ways of the world as many of those on this blog, but they all have a vote. If it were not so, the race would be further apart than it is - a very few percentage points separates the two sides. In horse racing, the winner can come up from the outside and overtake the lead to win. Don't underestimate the Republican strategy; Mrs Palin is an extremely attractive filly. Mon 29 Sep 2008 18:41:32 GMT+1 gunsandreligion #190, AndreainNY, to add fuel to the fire, here is Greenspan warning about financial irregularitiesat Fannie and Freddie. Mon 29 Sep 2008 18:40:47 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions Ed Iglehart, could you please explain to me how to link to other web cites in these posts as well? I saw that one poster on here noted that you explained it to them (I forget their screen name right now), and I was wondering if you could do the same for me.Thank you. Mon 29 Sep 2008 18:35:21 GMT+1 AndreainNY 73. chill0:"#59 AndreainNYThis (from 4th Sept) suggests she is too much like Obama in some ways as well, sample"I think he has actually met his match. Mon 29 Sep 2008 18:34:31 GMT+1 DavidD 184. At 6:57pm on 29 Sep 2008, plymouth51 wrote:What gets me is that you don't even try to hide your leftwing biased views nowadays.Disgusting.What a curious and bizarre statement, when "left wing" is used as an accusation.I am an ex patriot Brit living in South Africa and was on the receiving end of the same accusations from fellow whites for being against apartheid. It was an insult used to denigrate anyone who stood against apartheid, regardless of their reasons or political stance economically. As such, it is the last resort of the intellectually disabled. Mon 29 Sep 2008 18:32:57 GMT+1 AndreainNY The internet provides endless entertainment. Here's a collection of C-SPAN soundbites of reactions to the regulation of Freddie and Fannie.Democrats in Their Own Words Mon 29 Sep 2008 18:22:33 GMT+1 David Cunard #86. WillyLawless: "I had thought it necessary that BBC journalists not use their (license-funded) positions to promote ideological bias . . . request that you confine your views to a blog of your own making, and not one which is paid for by the license payers."Are you really British and not masquerading as such? Americans write license' whereas Brits write licence. I'm not usually of a suspicious mind, but . . .In any case, the BBC is not solely funded by UK licence-holders - there's a substantial income from commercial enterprises and sales of television productions abroad. From time-to-time, Justin has been criticised for supporting all sides when I consider he does a fair enough job of balancing both. Remember, he can't vote - and supposedly, neither can you. Mon 29 Sep 2008 18:20:33 GMT+1 AndreainNY 133. findegorgorito:"ONe thing I don understand is how no one has yet mentioned the fact that Cain's experience is redundant to a great extend."Congratulations. This might be the best attempt at rationalizing why experience doesn't matter. Mon 29 Sep 2008 18:10:14 GMT+1 gunsandreligion plymouth51, you're right. Some of us havenot progressed to the level of pure horror yet.As for myself, I am merely in a stage of extremeapprehension about her. Mon 29 Sep 2008 18:08:43 GMT+1 john-In-Dublin 152 Ed Iglehart"Palin's excuse list 9. Wrasslin' a bear"Raised in the woodsSo she knew every treeShe killed her a bearWhen she was only threeSarah, Sarah PalinQueen of the Wild Frontier....;-) Mon 29 Sep 2008 18:08:32 GMT+1 Peter >1. She's a conservative Christian on social issues - just enough to prevent dissillusioned "Huckabee" evangelicals from running a independent candidate in the South, or staying at home in November.>Just remember how Huckabee stuck to fighting John Maccain for the Nomination right until the last moment, not until Mccain gained Texas did the minister back out. That is a clear warning.Then maybe McCain should have picked Huckabee, who comes across as witty and likeable and can clearly handle himself in US national politics, holding his own with Jon Stewart on the Daily Show, and now with his tee-vee show for Fox. He would have done just as good a job at energising the GoP base as Palin, and could have been allowed out on his own on TV to act as McCain's surrogate. I'm glad he didn't for those reasons.Let 'Palin Be Palin' might be her best bet for the debate. It can't be any worse than 'Let Palin Parrot McCain's Talking Points'. You youtube footage of her debating performance in Alaska shows her to be quite capable on her own ground, fielding questions about abortion. It's a bit of a gamble, so presumably McCain will go for it. Mon 29 Sep 2008 18:02:09 GMT+1 plymouth51 Mr Webb.With this piece of crap....'when the woman rational, educated Americans regard with ever-increasing horror steps into the ring with Joe Biden' are in breach of your own editorial guidelines.What gets me is that you don't even try to hide your leftwing biased views nowadays.Disgusting. Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:57:49 GMT+1 AndreainNY 82. exserviceman:"Knowledge can be aquired, guts cannot be learned. "Either you value this or you don't. Just like service to one's country. Of course, if Obama had these characteristics, they might be more important. Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:57:05 GMT+1 SamTyler1969 #132Them would be the crazy people?Psychiatrist Sam Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:51:21 GMT+1 AndreainNY 49. Young-Mr-Grace:"However one would expect the campaign to reflect the character of the candidate. If so then can we conclude that McCain is a tactical thinker while Obama is more confortable with strategy? I would suggest that the role of President is one which requires strategy more than tactics."Yes, and watching Obama's typical approach to the bailout negotiations, he seemed to have just stopped short of saying that he'll veto it if doesn't contain his 4 principles. One would never guess he is, in fact, a Senator who is responsible for voting on it. In fact, one would never guess listening to him that he is in any way connected to the Senate and House. But perhaps that's his intention, since it's so unpopular a bill. Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:49:58 GMT+1 nwcanadian #171, please don't believe everything you read. Obama supporters are spreading this type of commentary around to frame a (potential) loss as race-driven. Ask yourself this, if the U.S. is really that racist, would Obama be leading in the polls? He wouldn't be there without "white" support. Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:45:55 GMT+1 AndreainNY 67. Simon21:"Maybe voters also prize intelligence and ability."Yes, they do. Yet, despite the best efforts here to talk away the importance of it, they also value experience. Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:40:43 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Palin replaced"With less than a week to go before the crucial vice-presidential debate, GOP presidential nominee John McCain announced today that he was replacing his running mate, Alaska governor Sarah Palin, with a startled deer.According to campaign insiders, the decision to select a hoofed mammal to replace Gov. Palin evolved after Sen. McCain watched his running mate's performance in a series of interviews with CBS's Katie Couric."Good Lord, a startled deer could do better than that," Sen. McCain reportedly said, prompting his aides to draw up a shortlist of startled deer.";-0ed Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:38:18 GMT+1 Simon21 144. At 4:53pm on 29 Sep 2008, neil_a2 wrote:Is Palin running for President? Is Obama running for VP? Is Obama qualified for either post?Yes"Palin has as much foreign experience as your beloved Bill Clinton when he ran for President."Really. When did she take up her Rhodes scholarship?"Maybe I am wrong. She did not have to leave the country to avoid the draft."So you contradict yourself."Biden's only claim to fame is talking so long the other gives up and goes home. Perhaps if he said something of merit, they would find reason to stay.Forecast: Biden will back out of the campaign after the debate, and Obama will bring in Hillary."Yes and pigs will sprout wings--"McCain broached health care by identifying individual states handle it at the state level. He is looking at strategies, attempts, effectiveness, cost, and merit for a national approach. He is formulating options for solutions. He is looking at plans that do not work to understand why and to avoid the same mistakes."He just can't articulate it.He is working on a time machine too."I was once an Obama supporter.Where is Obama's strategy? He does speak well, but there is no detail. Stating a need and making promised sound very nice, but have no substance."Well he is not in power is he - and the substance from McCain -er none."If Obama was such a salvation, why has he never introduced legislation for consideration? Why has be not been to work in two (2) years?"Sorry how do you know this?Do try to learn something before psoting Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:37:58 GMT+1 duhbuh # 164. At 6:09pm on 29 Sep 2008, duhbuhThis comment has been referred to the moderators.You have got to be kidding - even that one? Pathetic. Poor Justin can dish it out but can't take it, eh? Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:35:12 GMT+1 gunsandreligion Ms. Marbles, when you said:"There is nothing to say about Palin that has not been said before. She has less than two years experience, is poorly educated, is tremendously ignorant and lies constantly."you more or less described the entire US congress,except for the "two years experience" part. Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:33:34 GMT+1 Simon21 "132. At 4:27pm on 29 Sep 2008, MagicKirin wrote:ref #110Many people consider Hezbollah a surrogate army for Iran and they are guility of terrorism attacks against Israel"And many people beleive that "jews run the world" and that god made the earth in seven days.However fantasy is not fact. Not even for Israel. Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:32:16 GMT+1 gunsandreligion I shall feel sorry for Tina Fey if Palin gets "thrown under the bus." What will she dofor a living? At the very least, she'll haveto change her make-up, and no womanwants to have to do that! Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:29:59 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Raising Sarah Palin ;-)ed Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:28:37 GMT+1 wanderingangus I have just read a report saying that seniors are now quite prepared to come out to canvassers and say that they cannot support Obama because of the colour of his skin. Yes, his skin. The pigmentation of his skin.Obama is the man who identified that laisser faire politics had gone too far and had descended into cowboy capitalism. And the resultant financial meltdown will impact most of all on "seniors".Obama is the only person who can lead the markets out of this mess. He is decent, disciplined, courageous and has an organised team to work with him. But they won't support him because of the colour of his skin.Someone please tell me that this isn't true. Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:23:54 GMT+1 frayedcat Earth to bloggers who think "liberals" are skewing public opinion against McCain/Palin....EVERYONE thinks that Palin is daft and that McCain is very, very old.NO BLINKIE NO THINKIE Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:20:47 GMT+1 BigMediaControl '...The woman rational, educated Americans regard with ever-increasing horror....'Justin Webb, you are only suceeding in spreading biggotry. You're giving people a very biased, regional, and elitist view of America. You are doing your readers a disservice.I happen not to be a Buch or Palin supporter. I'm a paleo-conservative who can't vote either candidates on principle. But I would classify your attacks (not only here but in some of your other materials I have unfortunately wasted my time reading) on traditional America as unjustified and biggoted. You come across as out-of-touch to anyone from rural America or traditional America. And you spread stereotypes which are not helpful or enlightening at all. Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:19:07 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Ms Marbles, "The gamblers are giving Virginia, Ohio, Florida and Nevada to Obama, but not North Carolina. As of today: Obama 59, McCain 40"I wonder if McGambler has any bets placed....;-)I would in his place.ed Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:18:58 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Mom & Dad to the rescue! Bless!ed Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:16:05 GMT+1 frayedcat Thank you Justin, you see when the BBC rears its ugly head...from Scranton to San Fransisco...its got to do with jobs creation and I won't second guess israel so the economy is based on that..when he's a maverick, and Im a maverick so thanks but no thanks to that debate.. And please ask the pitbull rescue society to stop sending me invitations.. and no, PETA, they are NOT testing the lipstick on me. Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:14:19 GMT+1 allmymarbles There is nothing to say about Palin that has not been said before. She has less than two years experience, is poorly educated, is tremendously ignorant and lies constantly. There is more to say about McCain than Palin. He chose her solely to boost his chances. He knew how inadequate she was. If he does not care about the fate of our country, how can he be a good president? Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:10:20 GMT+1 duhbuh This post has been Removed Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:09:26 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart It was'nae me, Gov, honest! I eas just quotin';-)ed Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:07:06 GMT+1 allmymarbles The gamblers are giving Virginia, Ohio, Florida and Nevada to Obama, but not North Carolina. As of today: Obama 59, McCain 40 Mon 29 Sep 2008 17:03:20 GMT+1 U12831485 # 152 ed:"5. Speechless after finally looking up what "MILF" stands for. "______There, someone said it !!!I didn't dare.... Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:57:57 GMT+1 SamTyler1969 #82'Knowledge can be aquired, guts cannot be learned'Exserviceman,While knowledge can be acquired, the wisdom and tools to apply it require years of training. As for guts not being learned, that's what Marine Corps and Infantry training is all about.As an aside, 'guts' are overrated. Apparently President Bush has them, which has caused him to make some of the most spineless and disasterous decisions in history in the name of looking tough and having 'guts'.Given the choice between the confused, the ignorant and the untrained who want to look tough, and the thoughtful analyst who seeks the right solution? That's a no brainer.Captain Sam Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:54:55 GMT+1 jacksforge 149. At 5:19pm on 29 Sep 2008, wanderingangus wrote:Niel # 144 What was the point of all that if not to be just grumpy.As for your prediction that Joe Biden will bow out after the debate and Obama will bring in Hillary Clinton, Bill has been doing everything in his power to knock that one on the head (and yes, we do remember Bill on this site, only too well I'm afraid).Sorry you don't think that Obama has been to work for 2 years. I thought he'd been quite busy actually - or is his current position just the result of faffing about ?----------------------------------Ah but he's half black which doesn't count for work in some peoples eyes not to mention the R word again. Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:53:06 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Great minds think alike?Only an hour or so ago, I suggested Joe Biden should hold back, and now similar advice is coming from a much more credible source ;-)"oe Biden doesn't need to do much in this debate. Everyone, Republicans included, know the guy knows policy detail and foreign relations cold. He really doesn't need to do much to prove he has mastery.Normally, "time of possession" is a key signifier in football of which team is likeliest to win the game, but in this case the opposite seems true. Think of it -- all anyone cares about in this debate is what Sarah Palin says."Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, Joe. Play it cool and let her dig her own grave. It ain't permafrost, so it'll be easy.Slainteed Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:50:18 GMT+1 nwcanadian The moderators of all the U.S. Presidential (and one VP) debates are liberals. They skew the questions to favour the Democratic candidates. In spite of the electorate's 50/50 split by political party, the majority of voting Americans still leans conservative which is why I don't believe that an Obama landslide is in the works. It's going to be very, very close--just like in the most recent 2, 3 elections. The much too long, drawn-out campaigns don't seem to have much effect on voter loyalties. Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:49:38 GMT+1 U12831485 107, OldSouth wrote:"Does she have a true feel for life on the ground in the United States? Of the entire quartet, she is the only one who is a mother still raising children, trying to guide them toward adulthood in challenging times.She's got real 'skin on the table', unlike so many of the 'educated' and 'elite'."________Count on simple views for entertainment !Apart from being a mother qualifying one for exactly nothing in politics, Palin is in quite a privileged position, don't you think ?Rich, govenor, just like regular folk ?Probaly also smart enough to avoid idiotic loans and maxing out a dozen credit cards.There seems to be one common ground - ignorance is bliss, a virtue even. Palin stands for that, no doubt.Now that'll help to fix the US economy, never mind foreign relations.Stop thinking the two are not related; it might very well be more important to succeed in the latter, to regain control of the former.And of course she's learning, don't we all ? Doesn't a three yr old, a dog even ?To what extent, and how efficiently, that's the question.It's were education comes into play, intellectual potential .Intelligence, being 'smart', that's the basics. But is one capable to put those characteristics to good use ?It's about education, baby.Intellectualism didn't run the US economy into ground, the combination with greed and lack of regulations did.Not to forget, the combination of ignorance and greed of the regular folk.Noone put a gun to people's heads to make them accept loans that were to be renegotiated after just a few years.Palin won a scholarship by getting on stage in a bathing suit, shaking her behind and forcing a smile (no really, it's on youtube).Which is basically the same she's doing now. Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:48:15 GMT+1 SamTyler1969 #7810 posts in 2 days not very much?The lady doth etc.Thespian Sam Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:47:36 GMT+1 MagicKirin ref #128Fine he got elected in 1932That is a lot better than Biden's remark. Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:44:05 GMT+1 DavidD I can see the Republican representatives weighing up the value of the loss of future earnings if they don't get re-elected for voting for the bill against the cost to their existing fortunes if they don't. Or am I being too cynical? Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:39:39 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Top of the Pops Palin's excuse list"10. Suspicious Russian tourists spotted across the Bering strait in Dezhnevo9. Wrasslin' a bear8. Learns Tina Fey will be watching7. When taken on tour of White House by McCain handlers, is "inadvertently" locked in Cheney's man-sized safe6. Schedule for memorizing state capitals thrown off by need for new schedule to memorize states5. Speechless after finally looking up what "MILF" stands for4. On deadline to finish her book, Namin' Your Baby the Alaskan Way3. Needs more time to really nail those hilarious hair-plug zingers2. No matter how hard she scrubs, she can't get Kissinger's moral stank off of her1. Stuck in traffic on the Bridge to Nowhere";-0ed Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:38:43 GMT+1 wanderingangus Oil versus gold.I agree with the stagflation argument - this crisis is truly global and although the epicentre of the earthquake was in the US, the after shocks will be felt worldwide - which means a reduction in oil use, reduction in productivity etc...To go back to an earlier point, I don't think that this is the moment to elect an administration of gamblers. Then we might really see expect to see Weimar revisited. Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:32:04 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Meanwhile.....Wheeeeeeeeeeeee! Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:26:08 GMT+1 wanderingangus Niel # 144 What was the point of all that if not to be just grumpy.As for your prediction that Joe Biden will bow out after the debate and Obama will bring in Hillary Clinton, Bill has been doing everything in his power to knock that one on the head (and yes, we do remember Bill on this site, only too well I'm afraid).Sorry you don't think that Obama has been to work for 2 years. I thought he'd been quite busy actually - or is his current position just the result of faffing about ? Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:19:31 GMT+1 rowrrbazzle "the woman rational, educated Americans regard with ever-increasing horror"And the left has the temerity to say the right is fear-mongering.Wendy Doniger, a U. of Chicago professor and blogger on the Newsweek site, wrote "Her greatest hypocrisy is in her pretense that she is a woman."George Orwell wrote "Notes on Nationalism" in May 1945. His description of "negative nationalism" is as true today as it was back then. For instance: "I have heard it confidently stated, for instance, that the American troops had been brought to Europe not to fight the Germans but to crush an English revolution. One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool." Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:14:36 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Just a thought - I notice that, having more or less travelled in lock-step for the past couple of years, Oil and Gold have had a parting of the ways with oil hovering in a "trading range" around 30% off its highs, and gold climbing to within 10% of its high.To me this suggests an expectation of slow or negative growth (in economic activity) coupled with inflation i.e. "stagflation".... Anyone got any contrasting or illuminating suggestions?We do seem to be in a deja vu situation (circa 1929). Or perhaps worse, Weimar (Buy wheelbarrows)Wheeeeeeeee! ;-) Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:13:32 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Chill0, "Would they put government people on the board ? In whose interest would they feel obliged to act, the taxpayer or rhe shareholder ?"One and the same thing, I reckon.Slainteed Mon 29 Sep 2008 16:05:02 GMT+1 Xie_Ming # 121Grasps the fact.The people have been and are being taken for a great ride by their rulers.The NeoCon legalists and the deluded fundamentalists whom they manipulate are only the most obvious.Walk about Capitol Hill with a lantern in the daylight to find an honest man. Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:54:16 GMT+1 neil_a2 Re #12 Magic"It seems Palin has problems with the truth."Perhaps she should be more presidential and perjure herself."You can not prove he understood the question." (WJC 1998)At least she does not mince the definition of the word, "is".----Ah yes, selective outrage. "Pardon" me.----Is Palin running for President? Is Obama running for VP? Is Obama qualified for either post?Palin has as much foreign experience as your beloved Bill Clinton when he ran for President.Maybe I am wrong. She did not have to leave the country to avoid the draft.I bet Palin inhaled.----Is Obama blessed? Or is he just a turtle on a fence post?("Turtle on a fence post", up high, not sure how he got there, and can not go anywhere.)----Biden's only claim to fame is talking so long the other gives up and goes home. Perhaps if he said something of merit, they would find reason to stay.Forecast: Biden will back out of the campaign after the debate, and Obama will bring in Hillary.(Of course Roselawn Law Firm, WhiteWater, Travel Gate, Bosnian Snipers, short-selling HMO's, ... will never be remembered on this blog.)---McCain broached health care by identifying individual states handle it at the state level. He is looking at strategies, attempts, effectiveness, cost, and merit for a national approach. He is formulating options for solutions. He is looking at plans that do not work to understand why and to avoid the same mistakes.----I was once an Obama supporter.Where is Obama's strategy? He does speak well, but there is no detail. Stating a need and making promised sound very nice, but have no substance.If Obama was such a salvation, why has he never introduced legislation for consideration? Why has be not been to work in two (2) years?Probably because he is sitting on a post.It is not on his web site. Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:53:25 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Chill0, (136),A distant second place for the USSR. Just like in the armaments trade, the USA leads the world in aggression.Salaam/Shalom/Shanthi/Dorood/Peaceed Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:51:06 GMT+1 Clive Hill #108 Ed IglehartYou're right. I'm thick.I still don't get it. Why does the US government want warrants to buy banks' shares ? They might get a controlling interest. That means the bank would not be nationalised but would have a controlling government stake.Would they put government people on the board ? In whose interest would they feel obliged to act, the taxpayer or rhe shareholder ? That has shareholder lawsuit written all over it. Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:50:46 GMT+1 U12831485 82. , exserviceman wrote:"Shes competent, she just needs more infomation about foreign affairs. "I beg to differ ; one would expect a VP candidate to at least have basic knowledge of those matters, and have coherent arguments ready for an interview .Palin has either not done her homework, or didn't grasp the briefings she undoubtedly has been given.Again, talking BASIC knowledge here, and BASIC intellectual and communicating skills._______________"Obama still dosn't get the Ahmadinejad threat despite having absorbed the background info. Knowledge can be aquired, guts cannot be learned. If the Iranians attack Israel again they will be in now doubt what will happen if Palin is President, she'll bomb the crap out of them. "______________________With all due respect, that is beyond ignorant.Obama might have failed to qote Ahmadinejad's more silly outbursts, hence he 'doesn't understand', no doubt .But in my book, repeatedly doing so makes McCain and Palin look like simplistic schmucks and dangerous fear mongers.Not experts. And just like GWB.Palin seemed gutsy at the GOP convention, after that, she seemed rather insecure to me, when there was no safe crowd cheering her.Tough speak doesn't equal guts.Bombing Iran, eh ? How more bizarre can it get , what's next ?Oh, attacking Russia, I forgot, now there's a good idea !Let's get Georgia into the Nato, haven't had a World War in ages, it's about bloody time.Diplomacy ? Ah, that's for wussies !What ever happened to common sense ?FYI, Iran has never attacked Israel (directly), how can they do it 'again' ?Besides, basing foreign policies on a Beach Boys tune, I don't know...A good rhyme's as good a reason as WMDs, though, I assume.Of course, Mr. Obama doesn't understand, he's too young.Just wondering, would Ahmadinejad have been elected in 2005 if there hadn't been the Iraq war ?To my knowledge that little adventure didn't exactly help the moderate forces in Iran - or anywhere else.Of course, Mr. Obama doesn't understand that either, didn't have time to collect enough of the 'been-there' badges.One thing Mr. Obama might understand, while there might be simple solutions for simple problems - that terrorism isn't simple. Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:47:44 GMT+1 duhbuh Does the html strike code work here? Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:47:29 GMT+1 jacksforge 105. At 3:21pm on 29 Sep 2008, laughingChavMan wrote:Wow, all the negative comments are a sign that the left are very scared of what Mrs Palin has to offer. I hope McCain and Palin win..... just to see the left throw they're usual hissy fits ... it will be quite laughable.--------------------------------------------------What about the right , have they not been having "hissy fits"we fear her winning because it would mean we are living in a country that is brain dead and unwilling to learn. bit like you.Laughable is your president and the fact that we are related.America sucks Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:47:24 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Baltimore Hon, (I was born there!)"The elephant in the room seems to be Palin."But Biden thinks she's a Leviathon;-)ed Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:43:30 GMT+1 wanderingangus The Scott Reed referred to as a Republican strategist in # 122, also plays a significant role in NYT piece on McCain's ties to gambling. Except that in the NYT piece he is referred to as a Republican lobbyist (for gambling industry clients) and received quite a lot of dollars for his pains. Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:41:45 GMT+1 Clive Hill #110 Ed IglehartI think that would be the Soviet Union actually. Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:33:06 GMT+1 lawchicago I think McCain should have just conducted a game show with the winner winng the nomination as the vice presidental nomineeor Could have been like reality TV's" America's got talent .Palen could have been in the spokesperson /presenter competition just when I think we have sunk as low as we possibly can -we with our inginuity still have the potential to shock the world with our stupidity Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:32:03 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart A picture is worth a thousand words... Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:29:20 GMT+1 findegorgorito ONe thing I don understand is how no one has yet mentioned the fact that Cain's experience is redundant to a great extend. He kept going on about his experience during the cold war, mentioned Ronald Reagan a few times and used the same language and paranoia discourse of the past. Yet no one, including Obama, partly due to deference, cared to remember that the enemy in the XXI century is of a different nature and the world order requires a vision that has to grow beyond past experiences. Thus taking a cold war approach to today's world is like talking Marxism to the Wall Street Tarot readers and conjurers, I mean hedge fund brokers...The international institutions need too address the new issues of the new world, the G7 represents seven countries involved in a couple of wars during the XXth century not the richest, most powerful. The IMF, the WTO, the WB and last but foremost the UN should be re-estructured!!! in a way that we can guarantee a sort of multilateral dependence and support in order to avoid future wars. Just as the EU has managed to achieved!!Meine Meinung! Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:27:41 GMT+1 MagicKirin ref #110Many people consider Hezbollah a surrogate army for Iran and they are guility of terrorism attacks against Israel Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:27:08 GMT+1 jacksforge This post has been Removed Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:25:35 GMT+1 jcjnyc It will be interesting to watch Palin and Biden together. In the "running score" that was displayed during the first debate, it was interesting to note than whenever the candidates attacked each other, or got negative, the Independent voters showed very negative responses. Everyone is tired of the rancor here, which is a typical strategy to divert attention from the issues...which neither presidential candidate would prefer to discuss. Pitbull this, lipstick that...who cares. I do not even think experience matters one bit, after all who really is prepared for such a job in advance. If experience mattered, Lincoln would have never been president, since he was arguably the most inexperienced presidential candidate of all time. I want to hear clear-cut answers to the driving questions of the day. I want to hear them admit that with this bail-out of the banking industry and Wall Street, there are not going to be any more tax cuts, improved education, healthcare reform, or revitalized infrastructure. Candidates love to promise what they cannot deliver...remember Reagan got elected because he promised a balanced budget.I do think the Democrats ignore and ridicule Palin at their own peril. She is not ready now, and I do not agree with her on any political issue, but I think she is the future of the Republican party. Regardless of who wins in November, the smart politicians will be sizing her up, because they will be running against her in the future. Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:25:10 GMT+1 Punkin101 I keep asking why I even bother reading all these comments, and the "topic's'" of the day.I really believe the campaign is a ruse, and this blogg is just an outlet so people that gets aggravated, can vent.Folks, Sarah Palins is being coached by the best money(yours and mine) can buy, so she won't fail.This economic ballyho is being conducted with the biggest "mis-direction ever concocted.Where is the money coming from, and where is it going?Anyone remember the break-up of "Ma Bell?"What is being created here? Anyone say monopoly? Government directed that is.Makes you just want to say " HMMMM! " Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:22:45 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill MagicKirin (#8), gets his facts wrong again! FDR became President in March, 1933. He was nominated by the Democrats in July, 1932, not coincidentally the very month the stock market bottomed out, and elected in November, 1932 (formally, by the electoral college, somewhat later). Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:21:00 GMT+1 Candace9839 Skin on the table? I have heard of skin in the game as in golf, but there weren't any tables on the greens or fairways that I have played. Moose or polar bear skins perhaps? Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:18:11 GMT+1 wanderingangus Having just taken a flick through the markets and seen what's happening round the world, can I offer a different perspective on Sarah Palin. Maybe we ought to be very grateful to her for giving us some light relief at the moment (as long as it doesn't go too far and she gets elected).This election campaign has been going on far too long. There's nothing new to say about McCain, Obama or even dear Joe - so Palin really is keeping us all going.Just imagine if they had had a Sarah Palin in 1929. It might never have been called The Great Depression. It might have been America's Great Moose Moment. And at least she brings new meaning to the phrase "Bear Market", not to mention the suspicion that a "snow job" is being done on the truth in all this. Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:14:44 GMT+1