Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html en-gb 30 Thu 18 Sep 2014 14:39:39 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html dceilar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=99#comment361 Not to mention genocide in Cambodia. Fri 05 Sep 2008 12:12:57 GMT+1 dceilar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=99#comment360 Is America the home of democracy? I thought maybe that it was ancient Athens or Runnymede (Magna Carta) or the Paris Bastille or something.Isn't the USA infamous for invading emerging democracies in central and South America and installing right-wing dictatorships, especially during the seventies? Fri 05 Sep 2008 12:08:28 GMT+1 SamTyler1969 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=99#comment359 #348Name one? Other than the seedy.Inquisitive Sam Fri 05 Sep 2008 01:18:06 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=98#comment358 real frigidYes burn your neck tie : ) and they do cut off blood to the brain if too tight..that is actually true and neck ties are disease riddenhttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/05/040525062317.htm"early half of neckties worn by medical personnel harbor bacteria that can cause disease. "Clothing should be comfortable and healthy.Some of the people in power may think they can control Sarah Palin..but she answers to God and she will not be silenced easily if she thinks something is wrong...but she is also in way over her head. She is swimming with sharks. She is a loose cannon ( hmmm some mixed metaphors in this post.)You think women have the bright plummage because of fashion and make up.But there are some secondary sex characteristics that are markers for males and females... Fri 05 Sep 2008 00:34:40 GMT+1 RealFrigid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=98#comment357 #347, bethpa:"The problem with beauty pageants is that they set a standard for women to emulate."True, and fashion magazines, Hollywood actresses, super models, etc. I would rather these pageants transform into (male and female) contests of qualities that lead to success, (e.g. appearance, presentation, eloquence, critical thinking)."..and its based upon physical appearance and pleasantness. Little girls watch these shows and learn partially what it is to be a woman based upon very shallow standards."Again, because of biology, in humans the woman has the bright plumage, and if she wants to strut, I have no problem with her showing off. My mom used to tell me, "if you've got it, use it.""A woman who behaves never changes history. ... Women should be outspoken."I agree. Also, I think the work place for so many years was made as a male institution that uses pecking order, and dominance as a means to corporate order. I believe women bring a more cooperative, team oriented approach to the work place, and the "dog eat dog" approach is no longer acceptable. "The feminists of the 60's who burned bras should have burned high heel shoes. I want women to be healthy and strong and not dependent upon sexuality to gain favors. Those shoes are bad for the feet, bad for the back and limit women's abilities to move and run. It ridiculous in beauty pageants to see women in bathing suits wearing high heels. Some women are having the small toe cut off so that they can fit into fashionable pointy high heeled shoes."Agreed. Can we burn neckties too? They choke off the blood to my brain."If a woman wants to cash in on appearance ..well ..I think prostitution should be legalized ..for those who can handle that life style..."Me too, as long as she is self employed, and not being exploited by others."I support women who chose to stay at home and I support those who work."Me too."I am not going to support Palin because I don't agree with her...I think she is a religious fanatic...and she will hurt, in the end, the chances of other women to gain power.":) Different fanatics for different folks. I'm not certain yet how I feel about her. I want her to get a fair chance to show her character, before I jump to any judgment. She is adored in Alaska. She is very different type of politician than Hillary Clinton. Thu 04 Sep 2008 07:45:01 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=98#comment356 allmymarblesWhen I was younger I had my makeup done in NYC and walked into a restaurant and the men I saw looked up at me. I looked very attractive but I felt like I was wearing a mask and never did that again.Different strokes for different folks. I didn't want that kind of attention.I hiked up Mount leConte in the Smoky Mountains and there was a wedding in progress at the top of the mountain..and the bride wore a white dress and when she lifted the dress a little...she was wearing hiking boots... Thu 04 Sep 2008 03:35:51 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=98#comment355 354, Bethpa.Now, now, you are getting philosophical on me. In your original comment your objection had to do with a woman emphasizing her beauty and, by a long stretch, you equated this with prostitution. I said that all men were attracted to beauty and that all women tried to look beautiful. That is was normal.If you contend that it is not normal, tell me the last time you went to a wedding where the bride wore a faded tee shirt and flip-flops.I rest my case. Thu 04 Sep 2008 03:24:18 GMT+1 BillTyrone http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=97#comment354 A Blackberry conversation pinged last Monday evening States-side:Hey George, how are you doin down there in Texas?Just fine Dick! All I can say is thank the lord for global warming - ignoring Kyoto and all those other tedious Gore initiatives, what a great call don't you think? I mean, old Gustav has just popped up with magical timing hasn't he? Phew, good news that you and me don't have to go down to old GOP's convention (Grand Old Papa), have to break through the lines of protesters and tear gas, stand on stage and tell everyone personally what we really don't feel about the old boy and their chances! Sure, the girls will do the biz and cover for us, no problem!Yep, too true, leadership and patronage from a distance for me too, George! Busy busy here anyway shuffling some KBR shares around and chatting to the boys at Halliburton about how much longer we can expect to eak out the ID IQ contracts gravy train in Iraq and Afghanistan! We need a few more $billion to square away annual bonuses and sort the pensions plot.... how's your speech coming on by the way? Yeah, just fine! Agreed an x8 minute slot from the White House via satlink - enough to cover GOP's credentials and emphasise my old war on terror and surge favourites - you know, the usual stuff! Err hello, what Dick? just lost you for a few seconds..... did you say economy; credit crunch; gas prices and sub prime crisis? No way hose - certainly not going down that road! Condo's doing a good job on the road for us right now around the Middle East trying to tie up and broker deals and leave us in the best possible light! Anyway, just penning a letter before the game on TV tonight to the presidential commission of San Francisco about its plan to rename the Oceanside Water Pollution Control Plant the George W Bush Sewerage Plant. Also just studying a brief on impeachment matters!10-4! Do, please, copy me in on that, won't you! Okay George, I'll let you get on - Iam getting sorted for the Caspian trip in 48 hours - you take it nice and easy there. Oh yes, just read the classified brief you sent on our VP designate. Yes, very interesting stuff - when do we get to actually meet this lady then? Anyway, onwards and forwards! enjoy the popcorn and game - see you'all soon! Thu 04 Sep 2008 02:57:09 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=97#comment353 #352The problem is for attractive women also...people do not see other qualities and an attractive woman has doors open for her that can be based upon her appearance alone...so sometimes she does not develop as a person..life can be too easy for a very attractive woman...and as she ages some do not develop inner strengths..and the doors no longer open based upon appearance alone...Who determines what is attractive? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and values change across cultures and across time. There is a wide variety in what people seek ..some men will chose unattractive women and some women try not to look attractive.I am not opposed to legalized prostitution and there certainly has been prostitution across cultures and across time. There have been more of prostitution than of beauty pageants. I think prostitution can lead to emotional problems ..but its the way some humans are...( beauty pageants are a subtle form of prostitution imo..which one has he best figure..which one is more pleasing...etc..and then they win money and gifts.)Well Sarah Palin will soon be speaking to the convention..time to turn my mute button off: )I don't like her voice... Thu 04 Sep 2008 02:35:34 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=97#comment352 351, JohnAAAYou seem to be saying:"I pay so my views are worth more than yours." "I pay so my views on America are more valid than yours.""I pay so I am more important than you." "I pay, but by my leave you may speak."I am sorry you are not getting your money's worth. Thu 04 Sep 2008 02:10:01 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=96#comment351 347, Bethpa.Men have always been attracted to beautiful women. Women have always tried to be beautiful. That's the way it is and always will be and is completely normal. It may give homely women the short end of the stick, but life isn't always fair.But you say, "If a woman wants to cash in on appearence well... I think ... prostitution should be legalized.., " and that is perverted.I can see the objection to beauty contests. They are shallow (and kind of low class?), but people watch them. Do we have to ask why? Thu 04 Sep 2008 01:46:05 GMT+1 JohnAAA http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=96#comment350 334 allmymarblesSorry you object to Brits commenting on this blog.There is one small point though.We pay the wages of Justin Webb and the moderators. But you are very welcome. Thu 04 Sep 2008 01:37:41 GMT+1 jacksforge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=96#comment349 you go girls Thu 04 Sep 2008 00:35:21 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=96#comment348 346, Real.On a collective basis I find feminists disagreeable. It seems a matter of policy that any personal lack of success in their lives they blame on men. (Very convenient. A loser woman can blame a man, but a loser man is just a loser.) And, you are right, they do not seem to like men very much. And yet they ask men to help them in their fight for equality. That shows dependence on men, the very thing they say they resent. A real woman goes out and fights her own battle, the same way a real man does. The men I know are out earning a living for their families and trying to get ahead. They aren't sitting and plotting in dark corners. I also notice that when a man has a successful wife or daughter he is very proud. Do I feel women are equal to men. Absolutely. Should they have the opportunities as men? Of course. Should they use men as an excuse for their own shortcomings? No. Do I belong to oranized feminist group? No way. Do I like men? You betcha! Wed 03 Sep 2008 23:36:04 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=95#comment347 and for some jobs women are required by social standards to wear high heeled shoes. Wed 03 Sep 2008 23:23:18 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=95#comment346 #346 RealFrigidThe problem with beauty pageants is that they set a standard for women to emulate. ..and its based upon physical appearance and pleasantness. Little girls watch these shows and learn partially what it is to be a woman based upon very shallow standards.“A woman who behaves never changes history.” ..Women should be outspoken.The feminists of the 60's who burned bras should have burned high heel shoes. I want women to be healthy and strong and not dependent upon sexuality to gain favors. Those shoes are bad for the feet, bad for the back and limit women's abilities to move and run. It ridiculous in beauty pageants to see women in bathing suits wearing high heels. Some women are having the small toe cut off so that they can fit into fashionable pointy high heeled shoes.http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20031207/ai_n11427905If a woman wants to cash in on appearance ..well ..I think prostitution should be legalized ..for those who can handle that life style...I support women who chose to stay at home and I support those who work. I am not going to support Palin because I don't agree with her...I think she is a religious fanatic...and she will hurt, in the end, the chances of other women to gain power. Wed 03 Sep 2008 23:21:51 GMT+1 RealFrigid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=95#comment345 #324, bethpa:I guess I would be a feminist then.What I try to do is ensure that every person has the opportunity to achieve regardless of gender, race, religion, sexual preference, etc.I mentioned earlier though, that some feminism has a decidedly anti mother, anti marriage, and sometimes anti male demeanor.And, also against what they would consider token female exploitation, for example, the hate of Sarah Palin for being in the Miss Wasilla, or Miss Anchorage pageant. They fight for a womans right to choose what to do with her body, as long as it doesn't violate their view on what is right for women to do.Again, it's my libertarianism, but if a women wants to cash in on her beauty, or body I feel she should be free to do so. We may not agree morally, but we don't impose our personal mores on others unless they cause harms, correct? I would support a law that prevents a person from exploiting another, however. Wed 03 Sep 2008 22:10:50 GMT+1 RealFrigid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=95#comment344 #318, jacksforge:My theory is that after WWII, some one got scared of the Soviets so they never dared demobilize the military. The inner struggle was the idea of massive Federal power, versus decentralized state power. The tyrants won.Idle soldiers are the devils play things, getting the US into Korea, Vietnam, etc. and the brush fires never cease. Now the US and it's economy are permanently addicted to fighting wars.You see this tyranny subtly, like when the federal government withholds monies to states unless the states change their laws to meet federal demands. Another case is California's right to allow medicinal marijuana, which the feds try to squash with the Interstate Commerce clause.Sometimes tyranny is more overt, like when the US Federal government does;- wage wars without the consent of congressional representatives, - overthrows foreign governments,- uses the US military as a mercenary force,- seizes citizens of other countries and holds them in offshore prisons indefinitely,- engages in (limited) torture,- assassinates people or government leaders,- seizes property (foreign and domestic) without just compensation,- taxes nearly half of national income, - abolishes civil liberties in the name of "homeland security",- abolishes civil liberties in the name of "the war on drugs", - engages in domestic spying on US citizens,- legalizes and pays for infanticide- prohibits the free exercise of religious freedoms- prohibits the right to bear arms Wed 03 Sep 2008 21:53:12 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=94#comment343 allmymarblesDemocrats who are Jewish are unhappy with Lieberman alsohttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/03/jewish-dem-breaks-silence_n_123529.htmlJewish Dem Breaks Silence, Rips Lieberman: 'Not His Finest Hour'............................If McCain does not win Lieberman will disappear from any power positions. Wed 03 Sep 2008 21:13:45 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=94#comment342 342, invisible.It is not the interest, but the degree of emotion and conviction on the part of the two long-winded compatriots that seems inappropriate. Wed 03 Sep 2008 21:06:55 GMT+1 invisibleserendipity http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=94#comment341 #334I suppose if I wasn't interested in British opinions, I wouldn't be on the BBC site? Wed 03 Sep 2008 20:51:53 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=93#comment340 338, Jack.I would never suggest that Carter was anything like Lieberman. Where the weasel was self-serving, Carter was foolish. Wed 03 Sep 2008 20:17:10 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=93#comment339 Thinking of homelessness and also teenage mothers. Sarah Palin has slashed funds for pregnant teenage mothers in Alaskahttp://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_slashed_funding_to_help.html"Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.""According to Passage House's web site, its purpose is to provide "young mothers a place to live with their babies for up to eighteen months while they gain the necessary skills and resources to change their lives" and help teen moms "become productive, successful, independent adults who create and provide a stable environment for themselves and their families." Wed 03 Sep 2008 20:12:22 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=93#comment338 A correction to post #327There are programs in the US to help homeless veteransand people can help homeless vets through these programshttp://www.nchv.org/background.cfmhttp://www.nchv.org/hvsp.cfm"this website is funded, in part, through a grant from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs"Statistics are that over 20% of the homeless in America are veteransThere are now about 3 million people every year in America who are homeless.(just in case someone wants to help or knows someone who needs help. There is help available.) Wed 03 Sep 2008 19:51:07 GMT+1 jacksforge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=93#comment337 marbles carter is a good man . he tries. how dare youput him in with Joey lieberamn.you anti semite:) Wed 03 Sep 2008 19:47:36 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=92#comment336 allmymarblesThis article in Salon gives an idea of the tension between Gore and Liebermanhttp://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/08/06/gore/index.htmlAnd Gore wanted to run a campaign based upon populism...the people vs the powerfulI think you may be right about leaders whoare extremely religiousMy intuition now is that Lieberman weakened Gore's campaign from within...and never supported GoreReports are that Lieberman and Lindsey Graham would be very important in a McCain presidency. If Palin leaves then I think it might be Tom Ridge who replaces her. Lieberman is too controversial.Tom Ridge is from Pennsylvania and might help carry the middle of that state.. and maybe even help carry some of the counties around Philadelphia...(but I support Obama) Wed 03 Sep 2008 19:38:39 GMT+1 Clive Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=92#comment335 #329 dceilarCome on Chill0, everyone knows that Inquiry was a sham. That joke of a judge blamed the BBC for everything, even for masking the source - which we all know the MoD did. Even MPs who supported the war were embarrassed by it's findings. OK so the Inquiry got some Yes men in to vindicate the govt (they would say the things they said wouldn't they). In the end what the intelligence services wrote in the report was different to what the govt published. The references to 'may have' etc were changed for effect - in other words 'sexed up'! Read later comments by the spin doctorsAnother list of untrue assertions without any backing which you must know could be questioned. Later events proved Gilligan and BBC right and an apology is in order.Not true. The evidence which I cited above and you have made no attempt to refute shows that Gilligan sexed up his story by altering his notes. The BBC, David Kelly, Robin Cook and almost everyone else with one notable exception (not anyone British) all believed from their statements, conversations and published work that there were WMD in Iraq.Forensics on a PDA. Now is this fingerprints or DNA? PDAs are more commonly used as organisers and contacts. You certainly can't use them for notetaking - have you tried? What credible evidence from a PDA that can prove Gilligan's guilt is beyond me.Why do you not read the inquiry evidence ? It is Gilligan who insisted that he took his interview notes contemperaneously on a PDA. He surrendered the PDA for forensic analysis.Perhaps you have been using Shakespeare's old propaganda tricks on your rewriting of the Inquiry!I am surprised you mentioned that again since it is the line of assertions which ruined your credibility. Wed 03 Sep 2008 19:21:19 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=92#comment334 330, Bethpa.Joe Lieberman, like Jimmy Carter, was vociferous about his religion. He didn't leave it on the back burner as most politicos do.People like that often show poor judgment and tend to place their own beliefs before the wishes of the people who voted for them. They almost feel vested with divine right. At times they seem to use god as an excuse for doing whatever they want. I was proven correct about Lieberman when he went against his constitutents and lost the Connecticut primary. By the way, for those of you who are tempted to yell "antisemite," I didn't vote for Carter either. Wed 03 Sep 2008 19:09:32 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=91#comment333 Don't you think it is amusing (and arrogant) that the discussion of America's coming election is being dominated by two Brits?Nice to have your opinions, fellas, but.... Wed 03 Sep 2008 18:47:06 GMT+1 jacksforge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=91#comment332 but I ignored him and said he looks "funny" mom. He's scary. Wed 03 Sep 2008 18:45:39 GMT+1 jacksforge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=91#comment331 I knew who the weasel was because I spoke to God and he said"that lieberman is a two faced nation killing son of a anti christ" Wed 03 Sep 2008 18:44:59 GMT+1 jacksforge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=91#comment330 yea i'm more of a femanist than the witch that justin had to interview. Wed 03 Sep 2008 18:41:08 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=90#comment329 allmy marblesHow did you know about Lieberman so early?What tipped you off? I realized what he was when he criticized Gore after the election was lost. Wed 03 Sep 2008 18:32:22 GMT+1 dceilar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=90#comment328 Come on Chill0, everyone knows that Inquiry was a sham. That joke of a judge blamed the BBC for everything, even for masking the source - which we all know the MoD did. Even MPs who supported the war were embarrassed by it's findings. OK so the Inquiry got some Yes men in to vindicate the govt (they would say the things they said wouldn't they). In the end what the intelligence services wrote in the report was different to what the govt published. The references to 'may have' etc were changed for effect - in other words 'sexed up'! Read later comments by the spin doctors.Later events proved Gilligan and BBC right and an apology is in order.Forensics on a PDA. Now is this fingerprints or DNA? PDAs are more commonly used as organisers and contacts. You certainly can't use them for notetaking - have you tried? What credible evidence from a PDA that can prove Gilligan's guilt is beyond me.Perhaps you have been using Shakespeare's old propaganda tricks on your rewriting of the Inquiry! Wed 03 Sep 2008 18:22:58 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=90#comment327 206, Simon.My dislike of Lieberman goes back many years. The reason I didn't vote for Gore was that Lieberman was his running mate. His going against his constituents in the matter of the Iraqi war merely confirmed what I had always felt about him. Wed 03 Sep 2008 18:14:07 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=90#comment326 #60 The end of the storySince she is only 6, she thought that over for a few seconds. While her Mom glared at me, she looked me straight in the eye and asked, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?"So the Mom took the little 6 year old down to meet the homeless guy and they heard about how he was a veteran and had fought in Iraq. They heard that his nation had not helped him when he returned from a war that was illegal. And they wondered about what their nations stood for...................................200,000 veterans are homeless in America and veterans represent one third of the adult homeless in America. Wed 03 Sep 2008 18:08:55 GMT+1 aegeanblue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=89#comment325 When, in post 307, I asked whether Sarah Palin hunted polar bears - I was joking... (trying, no doubt unsucessfully, to raise a little wry smile somewhere...)But I've just stumbled into this headline on ABC news: "Palin Fought Polar Bear Protections.Governor Discounted the Findings of Nine Recent USGS Studies"Please someone wake me from this nightmare.... Wed 03 Sep 2008 18:03:44 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=89#comment324 This post has been Removed Wed 03 Sep 2008 17:58:09 GMT+1 bethpa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=89#comment323 #47 andrea"What this has demonstrated is that feminists are supportive of women whose viewpoints they share."Feminism is a group of ideas and values about women's rights. Feminism is not based in whether a person is a man or a woman. A man can be a feminist. and a woman could oppose women's rights.And there are internal debates within the groups that support feminism about what feminists should do or believe. Feminists who are liberal will not share Palin's views.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism"Feminism is a discourse that involves various movements, theories, and philosophies which are concerned with the issue of gender difference, advocate equality for women, and campaign for women's rights and interests"You appear not to understand complexity of thought. It is black or white for you. I hope you read the wiki article on feminism. Feminism as a philosophy is complex and has a range of viewpoints. Wed 03 Sep 2008 17:55:46 GMT+1 BillTyrone http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=88#comment322 Okay, lighten up everyone, there is a lot of water to flow under the bridge over the next x61 days! This convention will pass by quite quickly in the psyche of average ordinary Americans concerned big time about the real day to day issues affecting their lives and families. Shaking off the legacy and de-coupling responsibility for the situation facing Americans today under the stewardship of the current administration and GOP – is it realistically achievable? Messrs Obama and Biden would be advised to crack on diligently and earnestly with their current USA-wide programme and resist any temptation to become embroiled in anything to do with this Republican VP nominee saga. My hunch is that a red coloured touch paper has now been lit and I give it no more than 2 weeks before self implosion. Regrettably, the likelihood is that some people, young people, are going to be seriously affected. Again, in these circumstances the judgement call and emphasis should have been human beings before politics; party and country – end of. Wed 03 Sep 2008 17:49:49 GMT+1 JohnAAA http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=88#comment321 I just heard Justin Webb interviewing Carly Fiorina about palin. She slapped him down after some of the questions for being sexist. He persisted, she repeated the charge..Its all perceptions of course. If the media is perceived as being sexist - that will increase support for Palin. FWIW I certainly thought the questions became sexist.And Fiorina got in the bit about Palin facing far closer media attention in just a few days in terms of her background than Obama ever has. Again - that could become the perception, true or false. Forcing the media (including the BBC) to start digging deeper on Obama. Frei's article today brought up Todd Palin's driving offence of 2 decades ago,. I regard that as bias compared with what they have not reported about Obama or Biden - significant facts, not trivia. Wed 03 Sep 2008 17:38:19 GMT+1 jacksforge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=88#comment320 adrnininnywas chealsea protected better by her mum, is that a problem. One in Clintons cap and I though she was rubbish. she just went up in my est. Wed 03 Sep 2008 17:29:02 GMT+1 jacksforge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=88#comment319 And no dem predicts the outcome because we all know that the republicans have been stealing vote in ohio and else where.so we are ready for GW to declare martial law if it looks like Mc crying Shame looks like not getting in. Wed 03 Sep 2008 17:27:04 GMT+1 Clive Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=87#comment318 #308 Ed_IglehartWhat's wrong with adopting a good idea?Nothing at all, Ed, nothing at all. I am becoming too partisan with remarks like that. Do not misunderstand me, I would vote for McCain but I hope not uncritically and not without giving credit to Barack Obama where it's due.However, you did not answer the bigger point - how will he pay for it along with the other commitments he is making ? Wed 03 Sep 2008 17:26:20 GMT+1 jacksforge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=87#comment317 John aaa is america always at war just to create more Vets, scared of running out.Does every president have to be picked on whether or not they are good at starting wars?What "God forbid)" would america do if they had no war to employ the president at.Would they just start one(oh already did that).We had a chicken.(Cock) used to play with the dog. chase bark , chase crow,chase bark chase crow.Real funny. then the dumdedum thought it could play the same game with one of the local foxes.Well you could hardly hold it against the fox, it didn't know what to do.being attacked by the chicken.Well in this case the chicken is the US and the world is the fox.And one day. Wed 03 Sep 2008 17:24:52 GMT+1 jacksforge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=87#comment316 the BBC is left it is true.in a comparative study to the US news maybe.The BBC is centrist to the rest of the world.but in the country that still fears communists(bunch of cowherds) centre is still over to the left.Just understand that righties.I think them to forgiving of Isreal and america.and BritainBut the I think of them as the establishment and so they have some interests.all to the right.But carry on calling them lifties.Funny theat witch in t he video linked kept saying"obama is liberal." SO shutting what .Liberal liberal liberal liberal.Well fascist republican fascist republican fascist republican fascist republican fascist republican fascist.Nc crime is a republican fascist.annie smoke me is a republican fascist oppressor.No they are all commies, want to give all our money to china, russia , france, all those communist places. Wed 03 Sep 2008 17:19:27 GMT+1 Clive Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=87#comment315 #312 Simon21And thre PM who made the claim in Parliament was not even questioned. The PM was questioned both in Parliament where he took many interventions and at the inquiry. The inquiry was a farce and widely accepted as such.As you know if you know anything about the inquirySources ? What I have quoted was evidence given at the inquiry. Where is yours ?Suggest you read any basic British medieval history before moving on to sources . There are a lot of them about.You patently know nothing about the subject.Thomas Moore was a former Chancellor of England and died a Catholic martyr incidently. He was not a historian as the term is understood.Well, at least you did some reading (Wikipedia perhaps ?) but not quite enough to be able to spell Thomas More. He was Chancellor to Henry VIII, the second Tudor monarch. Here is a quote from Wikipedia:Between 1513 and 1518, More worked on a History of King Richard III, an unfinished historiography, based on Sir Robert Honorr's Tragic Deunfall of Richard II, Suvereign of Britain (1485), that also greatly influenced William Shakespeare's play Richard III. Both More's and Shakespeare's works are controversial to contemporary historians for their unflattering portrait of King Richard III, a bias partly due to both authors' allegiance to the reigning Tudor dynasty that wrested the throne from Richard III with the Wars of the RosesYou have still offered nothing but bland assertion for your views on everything here.I could assert that Barack Obama made a living as a belly dancer in Abu Dhabi for all the difference it would make to anyone. It would be meaningless drivel. Wed 03 Sep 2008 17:19:04 GMT+1 AndreainNY http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=86#comment314 241. RealFrigid: "I think the most successful Obama campaign tactic so far has been to brand McCain as more Bush. If McCain can shed the Bush shadow, and reclaim his "maverick" credential then things might get more interesting. If people are voting against Bush, rather than for Obama, there may be many people who might flop back."************Could it be because Bush is actually the only politician he can beat? I think so. I sincerely believe that Obama's only hope is the anti-Bush vote. He has to stoke that one for all it's worth.Eventually, he'll have to run against McCain. Otherwise, Obama will be channelling Bush at the debates.Because of Gustav, the dems were deprived of any pictures of Bush at the convention. The best they can do is a picture of him on the screen. A gift for McCain.By the way, Hillary was notorious for punishing the media by withholding access to her. This was particularly true when they went after her daughter. Ever wonder why Chelsea grew up without media attention? Wed 03 Sep 2008 17:10:30 GMT+1 JohnAAA http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=86#comment313 310 Simon 21Of course navy leadership is exec experience. being a legislator is not. That is why the US usually elects Governors not Senators - or military guys like Eisenhower.People who have led, organised, hired and fired, run big revenue and capital budgets and large numbers of staff.I was comparing Obama with Palin in the post you refer to. I said Obama chairs no significant committee. Fact.And has no landmark legislation to his name. Fact.His first exec decision ever was choosing Biden. You think that was brilliant, gets the votes out ? It was a weak decision compared to choosing Clinton. "Obama is practically home and hosed", you say. Glorious. There are 2 months to go, the contest never really starts till Labor Day, the polls are not that far apart even counting some bounce from last week's Dem convention. You seem to be exhibiting the same overconfidence as the Dems had in 2004.I think it would be very cocky indeed to predict the outcome as sharply as you seem to. I don't know who will win, it remains wide open. Wed 03 Sep 2008 17:04:00 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=86#comment312 Please wait, your request is processed...McCain's New Palin Strategy: Blame The Media"ST. PAUL, Minn. — John McCain's campaign on Wednesday angrily called for an end to questions about its review of Sarah Palin's background, deriding a "faux media scandal designed to destroy the first female Republican nominee" for vice president."This nonsense is over," declared senior campaign adviser Steve Schmidt in a written statement.The statement stood out for its admission that Palin is under siege _ it condemns "this vetting controversy" _ and for its attempt to blunt questions about how rigorously McCain and his campaign explored the background of a candidate who may get the nation's second most powerful job. It also suggested that Palin is a victim of gender bias in the media...."The McCain campaign will have no further comment about our long and thorough process," Schmidt said, lashing out at "the old boys' network" that he says runs media organizations."Somebody's touched a few nerves, I reckon...;-)ed Wed 03 Sep 2008 16:45:44 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=85#comment311 301. At 4:57pm on 03 Sep 2008, chill0 wrote:#280 dceilarYou have a selective view of history don't you? Explain please ?So then, are you saying that Iraq did possess WMD and could use them within 30 minutes on selective targets in Israel and Europe? OR be 3 months away from possessing nuclear weapons? Events proved Gilligan and the BBC right Except that none of that is what Gilligan said. He said that the government had said that the Iraqis had WMD that could be launched within 45 minutes knowing it to be untrue. That allegation was refuted by the testimony of the intelligence witnesses at the inquiry. It turned out that some agencies thought it true and others thought it shaky (although they all believed it to some degree and they all believed Iraq had WMD) but the words came from the Joint Intelligence Committee, not the government."And thre PM who made the claim in Parliament was not even questioned. The inquiry was a farce and widely accepted as such.As you know if you know anything about the inquiry"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_More#History_of_King_Richard_IIIThere are many other references that you and Simon21 seem entirely ignorant of. I am not your tutor, please read some of them for yourself."Suggest you read any basic British medieval history before moving on to sources . There are a lot of them about.You patently know nothing about the subject.Thomas Moore was a former Chancellor of England and died a Catholic martyr incidently. He was not a historian as the term is understood. Wed 03 Sep 2008 16:42:39 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=85#comment310 For Ms Marbles, with love, "Sen. Joe Lieberman may have finally worn out his welcome within Washington D.C.'s Jewish Democrat community...."The phrases that must have stuck in his throat were those when he criticized Obama's lack of experience," said the NJDC head. "'Gov Palin like McCain is a reformer we can believe in and count on.' He knows as well as the rest of us, the reform façade is a Potemkin Village. She was for the bridge to nowhere until it was politically untenable. She has lobbied for pork... If I were him that would be a hard line to force out."";-)xxed Wed 03 Sep 2008 16:40:22 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=85#comment309 306. At 5:05pm on 03 Sep 2008, JohnAAA wrote:282 ceilarI don't need a day job. I am retired, thanks very much.The spend more time reading. No excuse.283 Simon 123I said Obama has nil executive experience. Tick Nil substantial achievement. By that I meant getting things done. Wriiting narcissistic autobiographies, part time work as a an academic and nothing to show for really in legislative terms don't count."So you nowadmit he has in fact achievements but you don't want to count them.You concede Biden has achievements but do want to count them either. Being Chairman of the Foreign relations committee counts as nothing?But you do apparently count becoming governor of Alaska as a major achievement.And being in the forces for 20 years is apparently unanswerable.So what it amounts to is - I'm right wing and I don't like left wingers.Very mature judgement."He is chairman of NO important committee, as you claim. He has one minor committee - which has never met.And I presume you would not deny that Obama has a consistntly far-left voting record."I presume you are now withdrawing your ludicrous comment about McCain's "executive" experience, having found the US military is not part of the US government.You call the Senate foreign relations committee, minor? You do realise the Senate is required to ratify all treaties?I read he belongs to three other committess at least. You seem to have trouble with basic facts.And his voting record has shown good judgement and skill. That is presumably why he was asked to join the committees."One really has to suspend disbelief to think his stature compares with McCain. That is who the race will be between. "I agree and on the judgement McCain has shown so far Obama is on a role. I note the latest polls seem to reflect this.Fancy being upstaged by your Vice President!'"But carry on bringing it down to comparisons with Palin, That's the Repubobjective. Bith attractive in their own way, both relatively inexperienced. And NEITHER equipped properly be leader of the free world right now."Oh dear changed your tune. Biden is vastly more qualified than Palin and Obama is more qualified then McCain who has cocked-up massively.His first major decision and he messes it up."The lack of heavyweight experience is the criticism his own party opponents made against Obama, and their comments will be replayed plenty. The job is above his pay-grade."Oh I think there are one or two comments the Democrats will be making in return. Obama is practically home and hosed and has played a masterly game.Watching Palin upstage her boss will be hugely amusing though.Complain about this comment Wed 03 Sep 2008 16:34:39 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=85#comment308 JohnAAA," One really has to suspend disbelief to think his stature compares with McCain."Indeed, at full stretch, McCain comes in a very poor third.;-)ed Wed 03 Sep 2008 16:31:47 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=84#comment307 Chill, "...and he took his healthcare ideas from a Republican governed state, albeit a bipartisan policy. How will he pay for them as well as tax cuts ?"What's wrong with adopting a good idea? And my friends from AA report one truly consistent result from giving up drinking - they've suddenly got lots of money! If we gave up war, it would be easy to do all sorts of productive things instead of blowing stuff up....but the Military - Industrial complex would have to do some adjusting...Salaam/Shalom/Shanthi/Dorood/Peace ed Wed 03 Sep 2008 16:28:26 GMT+1 aegeanblue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=84#comment306 Does she hunt polar bears? Wed 03 Sep 2008 16:19:58 GMT+1 JohnAAA http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=84#comment305 282 ceilarI don't need a day job. I am retired, thanks very much.I inject a few right-wing articles to counter all the left media that most BBC reporting seems to be based on these days.283 Simon 123I said Obama has nil executive experience. Tick Nil substantial achievement. By that I meant getting things done. Wriiting narcissistic autobiographies, part time work as a an academic and nothing to show for really in legislative terms don't count.He is chairman of NO important committee, as you claim. He has one minor committee - which has never met.And I presume you would not deny that Obama has a consistntly far-left voting record.One really has to suspend disbelief to think his stature compares with McCain. That is who the race will be between. 'But carry on bringing it down to comparisons with Palin, That's the Repubobjective. Bith attractive in their own way, both relatively inexperienced. And NEITHER equipped properly be leader of the free world right now.The lack of heavyweight experience is the criticism his own party opponents made against Obama, and their comments will be replayed plenty. The job is above his pay-grade. Wed 03 Sep 2008 16:05:42 GMT+1 RealFrigid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=83#comment304 #300, Ed Iglehart:I suppose it's hard to get around rural Alaska in dog sleds and dirt bikes. Vetting is hard, when you need to wait for the glaciers to clear the harbors. ;) Wed 03 Sep 2008 16:05:22 GMT+1 Clive Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=83#comment303 #293 Ed_Iglehart...and he took his healthcare ideas from a Republican governed state, albeit a bipartisan policy. How will he pay for them as well as tax cuts ? Wed 03 Sep 2008 16:04:31 GMT+1 kinraddie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=83#comment302 Whatever happens in November it is bad news for the Clintstones. Either way she loses out. Obama gets 8 years by which time she would be nearing seventy (if she is still alive) or she has to keep Mc Cain alive and fit enough, if she wants to have any chance of being the first woman President. Oh! dear where did it all go wrong. This election is to important for the rest of the world, to be left to the American voters. Can't the U.N. step in. What about Tony Blair they like him in the US. and he's free on Monday mornings, he could mediate and maybe cast proxy votes on our behalf. Wed 03 Sep 2008 16:02:30 GMT+1 RealFrigid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=83#comment301 #298, Simon21:Petty, self serving? Yes. Which is why local politics are the most important ones. In the area where I live, the voters recently cleaned house on the city council and mayor for doing exactly what you described. My local taxes dropped by 20 percent. Wed 03 Sep 2008 16:00:35 GMT+1 Clive Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=82#comment300 #280 dceilarYou have a selective view of history don't you? Explain please ?So then, are you saying that Iraq did possess WMD and could use them within 30 minutes on selective targets in Israel and Europe? OR be 3 months away from possessing nuclear weapons? Events proved Gilligan and the BBC right Except that none of that is what Gilligan said. He said that the government had said that the Iraqis had WMD that could be launched within 45 minutes knowing it to be untrue. That allegation was refuted by the testimony of the intelligence witnesses at the inquiry. It turned out that some agencies thought it true and others thought it shaky (although they all believed it to some degree and they all believed Iraq had WMD) but the words came from the Joint Intelligence Committee, not the government.As for forensics carried out on a PDA - you make me laugh.Are you saying forensic tests cannot be carried out on a PDA ? They were carried out and they were given in evidence at the inquiry.Your views on Shakespeare being an agent of Tudor propaganda I thought was a joke - at first. But it seems you were actually serious!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_More#History_of_King_Richard_IIIThere are many other references that you and Simon21 seem entirely ignorant of. I am not your tutor, please read some of them for yourself. Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:57:22 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=82#comment299 Thorough vetting? Nah!;-)ed Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:56:13 GMT+1 RealFrigid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=82#comment298 #289, jacksforge :I'm not right, I haven't decided anything yet. Trial by DailyKos is hardly a fair shake. I'm not a Republican, and I can afford to let her have a trial before burning her at the stake. I can be flexible, because I have no skin in this game. You are seeing the opinion of an outsider.I respect your right to make a quick judgment, but you've known about her for all of about four days, right?Minneapolis is a fascist state... It's run by a totalitarian socialist regime. :) Check out the city government, and who is in power there. Just because Republican accidents like Norm Coleman(former Democrat) happen, don't think Minnesota is not one of the most progressive liberal places in the nation. San Francisco, may be more so, but only just. Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:54:46 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=82#comment297 295. At 4:44pm on 03 Sep 2008, RealFrigid wrote:#284, Simon21:DC will corrupt almost anyone. Be thankful you and I need not be consigned to that hell on Earth. :)"I disagree. Having witnessed local and state politics I have to say a more corrupt, self serving, inept bunch of individuals would be hard to find.All denouncling the federal government, but all queueing up and jostling for any handouts.About the only reason for running for office was to get the expenses and rezone land (usually held by a relative) for development. Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:54:24 GMT+1 Mark http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=81#comment296 292, 293 Jack and Ed:Cheers, I'm off to the pub for some plebeian ale. I suppose that makes me a communist ;) Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:53:41 GMT+1 dceilar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=81#comment295 No 292"But I will still vote for him because the other looks like hitler and eva to me."Ha ha. I noticed that there is something too Aryan about Mrs McCain too. Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:46:04 GMT+1 RealFrigid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=81#comment294 #284, Simon21:"Sorry Is this correct. I don't think the Republican party would claim a candidate's personal views have no bearing on their policies. In fact I am sure they would claim the reverse."Look at the example of Obama and Wright. Democrats and Republicans have accepted Obama by his words of what his beliefs were and how he was influenced by his church. Only the lunatic fringe are still running around with the "Hussein" middle name garbage, and trying to link Obama to Liberation Theology. What I absolutely hate about politics in America is that people do not listen to each other anymore. They do not discuss, they shout their political mantras at each other, and close their minds to actual critical reason. "Wasn't Clinton's marital infidelities held to mean his economic views etc were unsound?One of the more tedious and ridiculous parts of US politics is how often this point is made."I know when I heard about his using the Arkansas state patrol to bring him hot dates it made me think less of him. It revealed to me someone lacking the character traits I would want in a President."Yes she would almost certainly change her tune in office, they always do, but that would make her a "Washington insider" wouldn't it?" Which we are told she would not be."You are right. I watched intently the Paul Wellstone transformation from a progressive outsider to an insider political hack over the course of two years in DC. He went into office and promptly made a fool of himself, until some other Democrats taught him the game. An actually appealing part of his campaign was "zero PAC" money. By his re-election bid 6 years later he was one of the largest PAC rats in the game.DC will corrupt almost anyone. Be thankful you and I need not be consigned to that hell on Earth. :) Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:44:07 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=80#comment293 aegeanblue (#264), the reason the British do not trot out their children at party functions seems to me be a consequence of the fact that the British do not elect the head of state.The children, grandchildren, and other relatives of the British head of state are trotted out quite frequently. One of them (the Prince of Wales) even came to visit us in California a year or two ago. Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:42:22 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=80#comment292 Mark "Obama has raised a funding base of two million people from scratch and seen off the Clintons: in terms of sheer strategic skill that takes some doing. Obama has two very great strengths: he is brilliant at organisation and he is clinical in his assessment of risks and opportunities, from the geo-political to the personal, and he wraps it all in courtesy and grace."Amen! A class act, compared to the rest.Salaam, etc.ed Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:34:11 GMT+1 jacksforge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=80#comment291 Mark telling AAA how left america is.Good on ya.Johnaaa 'I'm in america and I vote.guess what?I wish he was left but as mark says he is a tory in my eyesBut I will still vote for him because the other looks like hitler and eva to me. Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:34:00 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=80#comment290 "268. At 3:10pm on 03 Sep 2008, JohnAAA wrote:258 Simon 21You say McCain has no exec experience. Command experiemce in the Navy for 20 odd years doesn't count ? as they used to say - "try telling that to the marines"Being in the Marines is like being president? Hmmm are US officers elected to office? Are there political parties in the US forces? Do they have their own foriegn policies?Seems you know as little about them as you do the Senate"On budget responsibility - you still don't recognise the difference between running a budget and voting on it."And you do not understand what executive experience is or how the US system works. Federal Budgets are not just voted on."Palin negotiated a large deal with thenoil majors which came off well for Alaswka evidently. Obama and Biden don't do negotiations."Except with foreign governments, state governors, the president, major firms of every description. Again you do no know the US political systemYou may be the only person who beleives that a governor of Alaska has more negoatiating experince then a senior US Senator"Palin has to deal with her legislature at State level day in day out. Don't kid yourself she doesn't know the legal ropes. Obama had State legislative experience (although he seems to have sat on the fence a lot). His experience at Senate level is minimal - he has been running for office most of the time. Making great speeches is not legislating."Biden I beleive has been chariman of a number of key Senate committees and has participated in major legislation, debates, negotiations etcHis experience dwarfs Palin's - as will be made clear in the debates.As For Obama his experience considering his years is considerable. And yes he has great success in getting elected.Pretty valuable in the current context one migh argue."You may be falling into the trap of comparing Palin with Obama. I like that pitch. Because if the Dem front-runner is being compared with the repub No 2 - doesn't that diminish the status of Obama ? making them both look like newbies ? Fine by me if both are regarded that way - it gives McCain the game."No comparison. Biden dwarfs Palin (and it was a risk mcCain would chose someone heavyweight). Obama's advantages are clear and have been reinforced by this choice.Palin has knocked McCain off the page at his own convention.Obama probably cannot believe his luck.I suggest you look up the US consitution and learn a bit about US politics.I appreciate the note of desperation, but get ready. There are going to be a series of Palingates over the next few weeks Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:33:59 GMT+1 hms_shannon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=79#comment289 # Re, MA11. The Taffyia got him...... Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:31:19 GMT+1 jacksforge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=79#comment288 281.real fridgid you are being so flexible on this it is amazing.And obama goes to a church and he's not patriotic.She is a vicious republican witch.thats my view.I answered about her smoking . it was struck.She has shown NO judgement so far worth voting for.she has shown that she is not very attentive.She has been against all abortion(,except mothers life threatened)That includes rape victims. but you carry on.your always so right.she will ignore the laws she calls for.Go Ask her, your the republican. they would shoot me or arrest me for turning up near the place. like they are doing at the conference.Medics helping protesters are being pepper sprayed.But you carry on this is not a fascist state.But it is an over bearing thug of a states that does not respect democracy unless it is the republican democracy.Oh and Majik , watched that old show"out red furred dog like creature " showhmmm Bill o reallyhe cuts everyone off that disagrees with him so why the hell would Bill moyers be there.I recommend Bill Moyers for a medal from the queen. Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:31:00 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=79#comment287 Young-Mr-Grace (#192), my "oil" remark was flip, but the more serious answer is that the U.S. has strategic interests in Alaska, of which oil is only a part. Alaskans no doubt like to think that they could manage as a sovereign entity with their oil wealth like Saudi Arabia, but they could not possibly provide for their own defense (neither can Saudi Arabia, which flies US-made F-15s). So should the US continue to operate air force bases in Alaska to defend sovereign Alaskans? Why?Suppose we didn't. Then Russia would move into the Arctic Ocean above Alaska for oil. They could control the Bering Strait and the NW end of the Northwest Passage. Not a good arrangement.I reject the notion that there is any right to sovereignty for any particular group as a matter of "democratic will." I think people should be citizens of nations which respect their human rights, but I do not think that any particular group has an inherent right to sovereignty. Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:27:04 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=79#comment286 Andrea,Thanks for the cartoon!Salaam, etc.ed Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:25:34 GMT+1 Mark http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=78#comment285 278, JohnAAAOh for the days of a George Marchais ...You are really on the wrong blog if you want to accuse Obama of a 'far-left' voting record. By English standards even the Democrats are about as centre-right as a one-nation Tory, a few might veer towards a Lib-Dem, or heaven-help them towards Blairite New Labour; it is the Republicans, at the other extreme, who have more in common with the BNP and UKIP and the more extreme elements of the Tory right. Obama is about as left wing as David Cameron, which is why they get on so well.On the other hand what I do find interesting is that Bush is fundamentally a Maoist, even if he is one who perverts the class-struggle to do so: if you pick apart his policies they are all never-ending war, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, etc. You could run a Bush regime with Mao's little red book.And as for achievements of note: Obama has raised a funding base of two million people from scratch and seen off the Clintons: in terms of sheer strategic skill that takes some doing. Obama has two very great strengths: he is brilliant at organisation and he is clinical in his assessment of risks and opportunities, from the geo-political to the personal, and he wraps it all in courtesy and grace. Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:24:45 GMT+1 claret101 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=78#comment284 276"Palin would have your daughters forced to carry a baby conceived because she was raped.Full Stop."A VP is not a dictator. Just because she believes abortion is wrong does not automatically translate to meaning that a McCain-Palin presidency would abolish abortion. There is still a democratic process for creating or changing any laws.And FYI, in the incredibly dramatic scenario you suggest where abortion is outlawed in the US, my daughter is raped, becomes pregnant and doesn't want to keep the baby, she'd be on the first plane to London, NOT killing herself.Let's try and keep some perspective in this discussion, shall we? Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:23:04 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=78#comment283 281. At 4:10pm on 03 Sep 2008, RealFrigid wrote:"Simon21 also continues to confuse her beliefs with her policy decisions. But, we don't know what bill she would sign or not. We don't know if she would flex on the "rape, risking life of the mother" parts either. In this case her position on the issues is being spun to suit a political bias. "Sorry Is this correct. I don't think the Republican party would claim a candidate's personal views have no bearing on their policies. In fact I am sure they would claim the reverse.Wasn't Clinton's marital infidelities held to mean his economic views etc were unsound?One of the more tedious and ridiculous parts of US politics is how often this point is made.Yes she would almost certainly change her tune in office, they always do, but that would make her a "washington insider" wouldn't it?"Whihc wwe are told she would not be. Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:21:03 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=77#comment282 278. At 3:50pm on 03 Sep 2008, JohnAAA wrote:Matt Frei says the wqorld is being asked to suspend their disbelief if Palin is to be elected VP. That is as may be,, we shall see.But I don't recall anyone at the BBC, including round-the-clock coverage of the Dem conference last week, saying the world would have to suspend its disbelief if asomeone with nil exec experience, nil achievements of note, and a consistently far-left voting record is to be elected to the top job.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/americas/2008/vote_usa_2008/7595145.stmYour confusionis easily cleared up. The BBC does not consciously report falsehoods as truth. Claiming either Democractic opponent have no achievements, apart from getting into presitigious law schools, topping the class, getting elected to the US Senate, becoming chairman of important committees authoring a number of books etc etc amounts to "nothing" is not true.So it is not reported.The fact that John McCain has picked an inexperienced local politician to be the second most powerful person in the country is however true.It si also true that over the coming days more scandals associated with this individual will emerge. They inevitably do with local isolated politics.Doubtless they will be fed out on a timed basis.So better brace yourself Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:15:00 GMT+1 dceilar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=77#comment281 Hey JohnAAA have you got a job to do or something. You should get one. It would stop you reading all those American right wing pseudo-news websites and trying to turn the BBC into one. Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:13:32 GMT+1 RealFrigid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=77#comment280 #276, jacksforge:"Palin would have your daughters forced to carry a baby conceived because she was raped."Although, she is on record saying it would be the people of Alaska who choose how they would enact any law if Roe v Wade were repealed. As the elected Governor, and if a pro-abortion bill crossed her desk I bet she would veto it, but as the people's elected executive that is her role. If the people in Alaska want a pro-abortion bill, they will need to elect a new Governor.Simon21 also continues to confuse her beliefs with her policy decisions. But, we don't know what bill she would sign or not. We don't know if she would flex on the "rape, risking life of the mother" parts either. In this case her position on the issues is being spun to suit a political bias. How about we wait for her to clarify her stand on the issues, rather than make them up for her? Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:10:27 GMT+1 dceilar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=77#comment279 Chill0You have a selective view of history don't you? So then, are you saying that Iraq did possess WMD and could use them within 30 minutes on selective targets in Israel and Europe? OR be 3 months away from possessing nuclear weapons? Events proved Gilligan and the BBC right - as Justin paraphrased: 'events my dear boy, events!' As for forensics carried out on a PDA - you make me laugh.Your views on Shakespeare being an agent of Tudor propaganda I thought was a joke - at first. But it seems you were actually serious! Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:10:00 GMT+1 RealFrigid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=76#comment278 #277, JMfromNY:"She has gone on record saying she wants to fund big oil drilling projects on the taxpayers dime meaning hundreds of billions to oil companies, private contrators such as Halliburton to provide infrastructure and to the banks who will loan the money to the already broke American middle class to pay for it all."I had not heard that. Would you post a link to your source? Wed 03 Sep 2008 15:01:58 GMT+1 JohnAAA http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=76#comment277 Matt Frei says the wqorld is being asked to suspend their disbelief if Palin is to be elected VP. That is as may be,, we shall see.But I don't recall anyone at the BBC, including round-the-clock coverage of the Dem conference last week, saying the world would have to suspend its disbelief if asomeone with nil exec experience, nil achievements of note, and a consistently far-left voting record is to be elected to the top job.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/americas/2008/vote_usa_2008/7595145.stm Wed 03 Sep 2008 14:50:36 GMT+1 JMfromNY http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=76#comment276 this is not Eagleton part 2 if for no other reason than the US media is defending Palin as opposed to attacking her. It's a good business investment/risk for them.News outlets have been constantly trying to make the point that the situation with her daughter shows that this is a family with a deep respect for the sanctity of life. While any other points of view are painted as angry political attacks.If Sarah Palin becomes president it will mean $1 trillion+ to big US business. She has gone on record saying she wants to fund big oil drilling projects on the taxpayers dime meaning hundreds of billions to oil companies, private contrators such as Halliburton to provide infrastructure and to the banks who will loan the money to the already broke American middle class to pay for it all.She's also said that she feels that this is "god's will"!!Look at who the major share holders in the US media companies and you'll see that even if this goes horribly wrong for the McCain ticket that this is a different animal from Eagleton. Wed 03 Sep 2008 14:47:56 GMT+1 jacksforge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=75#comment275 Shouldn't that be up to the family to sort out.HHMMM. thats what a lot of fathers say when scurilous accusations fly around town after a Dr. visit..Palin would have your daughters forced to carry a baby conceived because she was raped.Full Stop.YA'll make light of that, ignore that , but screw all the moral arguements.Your daughter is crying infront of you saying"I don't want HIS baby . I don't want it"You the law ignore her and she kills herself.This WILL be some parents story.SoGot to wherever you like but stop defending this callous rich @#@#@ as being a normal person.This is america you don't have the same stayed"class system" once you are in politics you are the class system.And she fixed her way to riches screwed a police officer out of a job, wasn't able to have an important talk with her daughter.And she thinks other peoples daughters should be able to be used by sick bastards and sicker relatives as breeding baby doners.Cause the rapist will get more time than the girl who sought the abortion.But carry on you like her she's "spunky" she can shoot a GUN.(like commander in chief fights).Total pandering substenceless crud.Time for american Idol to run the presidential campain.Who cares who got pregnent when. this woman is like the neighbour hood association lady, in "over the hedge"Marcus is not but where is mikeIll.? Wed 03 Sep 2008 14:38:48 GMT+1 adliberal http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=75#comment274 Seems to me JohnAAA is doing an excellent job drawing attention to the Kos allegation Wed 03 Sep 2008 14:38:42 GMT+1 aegeanblue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=75#comment273 Check out Matt Frei's latest Washington diary:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/americas/2008/vote_usa_2008/7595145.stmIt's not biased reporting - it's what everyone's talking about with a slice of lemon. Wed 03 Sep 2008 14:37:17 GMT+1 RealFrigid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=75#comment272 #271, wanderingangus ::blush: Sorry. "Assumption is the mother of all..." As you can see, I really am pro feminist and I was raised by one as well. I've worked all my life trying to help under-represented minorities get opportunities in in the work place in my executive positions. I've done things like lobby upper management for work hours that will serve the company and enable parents to care for their children, building child care centers in the work place, and being understanding when parents are called away to tend children.How would you like to be told by a potential employer, "Sorry, we'd love to hire you, but your children and home life should come first."The point being, she's a Governor, not Susie Home-Maker trying on her first job ever. She's already had to juggle her life to be the Governor. Would you advocate she resign from that job as well? Can a female CEO have a family of five, or a special needs baby? Wed 03 Sep 2008 14:36:42 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=74#comment271 #207: JohnAAA: "As regards the vile smear on Sarah Palin and her teenage daughter - I will comment on it whenever I like, thank you." In case you hadn't noticed, it's you who refer to it more than anyone else. Of the forty-six times the word has been used so far, thirty-eight are in your own posts.#243. JohnAAA: "You are still seem to be implying that I am American. I am not."Thank God for small mercies! Wed 03 Sep 2008 14:28:45 GMT+1 wanderingangus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=74#comment270 # 267 ~ FrigidYou should not assume that a person's pseudonym for BBC blogging reveals their gender - nor their experience. Wed 03 Sep 2008 14:21:28 GMT+1 jacksforge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=74#comment269 maybe MA took a visit to the barber and forgot to keep quiet. Wed 03 Sep 2008 14:20:09 GMT+1 jacksforge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=74#comment268 Johnny aaa Rhymes with KKK;)Photo's showing someone is clearly pregnant .Interesting concept ,never been faked before, no film ever managed to make a woman look pregnant.Unless you have Naked photo's to show (which would be a tad scandalous, but probably very popular with her supporters) you have nothing. Wed 03 Sep 2008 14:19:14 GMT+1 JohnAAA http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=73#comment267 258 Simon 21You say McCain has no exec experience. Command experiemce in the Navy for 20 odd years doesn't count ? as they used to say - "try telling that to the marines"On budget responsibility - you still don't recognise the difference between running a budget and voting on it.Palin negotiated a large deal with thenoil majors which came off well for Alaswka evidently. Obama and Biden don't do negotiations.Palin has to deal with her legislature at State level day in day out. Don't kid yourself she doesn't know the legal ropes. Obama had State legislative experience (although he seems to have sat on the fence a lot). His experience at Senate level is minimal - he has been running for office most of the time. Making great speeches is not legislating.You may be falling into the trap of comparing Palin with Obama. I like that pitch. Because if the Dem front-runner is being compared with the repub No 2 - doesn't that diminish the status of Obama ? making them both look like newbies ? Fine by me if both are regarded that way - it gives McCain the game. Wed 03 Sep 2008 14:10:17 GMT+1 RealFrigid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=73#comment266 #264, wanderingangus :Although, no one questioned Joe's judgment at the time. Why? Because he was a man.Sarah will have help and just because you cannot fathom how it works does not mean it cannot be done.How would you feel, if you were a woman applying for a job, to be told, "Sorry, we'd love to hire you, but we are concerned you won't be able to give enough to your children and family". Wed 03 Sep 2008 14:06:52 GMT+1 Clive Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=73#comment265 #260 Simon21Over their bodies. Pretty big right.So when you say that Sarah Palin believes "rape victims have no rights" you are just talking about her position on abortion ? "… it was never proven Gilligan falsified his notes…" Just the forensic results, then."And the whole investigation was undermined by the fact that the PM was never questioned. "He gave evidence at the inquiry and was questioned there. It is embarraasing enough you admit reading wikipedia - it is excruciating you admit to doing so in a public forum.I suggest you read some historians, ie people who study history.Wikipedia offers references. Please go and read some.Can you offer any links, even Wikipedia, the Spectator anything will do. Wed 03 Sep 2008 14:02:16 GMT+1 aegeanblue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=72#comment264 If Sarah P's furture son-in-law is to attend the convention this surely is one heck of a circus... and I thought they were all for keeping families out of things. You can't have it both ways...(That goes for the Dems as well of course).Is he going to stand up and take a bow? Will President Bush say "You did heck of a job there, Johnsty?"In Britain, the children aren't trotted out at party conferences for everyone to go "ahhhh" (or "ughhh") about. Good job too. Wed 03 Sep 2008 14:00:10 GMT+1 wanderingangus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=72#comment263 # 261 - FrigidMust do better. I'm not the one with the particular problem - the Palins are.Joe Biden was presented with a tragedy. The Palins are presented with a moral dilemma. Wed 03 Sep 2008 13:57:08 GMT+1 RealFrigid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/09/eagleton.html?page=72#comment262 #252, U3544202:Here is a more journalistic balanced view of Sarah Palin's early small town career.Palin’s Start in Alaska: Not Politics as UsualI didn't know for example that Faye Palin ran for City Council, and Sarah backed her opponent Diane Keller, who won. No wonder Faye gave such a cold interview to the national press. Christmas at grandma Faye's house must be fun. Wed 03 Sep 2008 13:52:19 GMT+1