Comments for en-gb 30 Fri 24 Oct 2014 23:09:39 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at jacksforge 189 I hope they do and run into the sea with rocks in their pockets Fri 29 Aug 2008 19:10:54 GMT+1 bethpa jacksforgeYou know that a hurricane is again bearing down on New Orleans and will probably have land fall during the Republican Convention? There was a US minister who was calling upon God to cause it to rain during Obama's acceptance speech in the large open amphitheater..I wonder if the mystically religious will take this hurricane as a sign from God... Fri 29 Aug 2008 11:39:44 GMT+1 jacksforge there's no convincing him we have hot water in europe.182but as to katrina. I agree was an act of nature(something americans steadfastly ignore) but it was not the fault of european technology that failed the americans here.(to continue dumdedums type of thinking a little)seriously there were engineers telling them to fix the levies and recreate the swamps.but they were ignored (oh and the one engineer on that pbs show about katrina trying to warn the city etc was a foreigner).popoed by those that said "not in america we have the best the biggest the strongest. we are above nature.Global warming isn't happening and blah blah blah.It was not the europeans that ignored the evidence (cooky computer predictions, I' done lived here all my life . it wont flood).Sorry the storm was not american made but the stuff and people it affected were. Wed 27 Aug 2008 16:42:24 GMT+1 allmymarbles 169, s. aureus.In the 70's Detroit was still designing cars to self-destruct, which is why the "backward" Europeans and Japanese took our market. Wed 27 Aug 2008 06:35:47 GMT+1 SamTyler1969 #169MarkyI missed you, sorry you posted after most abandoned this thread.I know you are living in the 70's. You've said that a lot. Europe now is no more as it was when you were there than Philadelphia is as it was seen in Rocky 1. Catch up. Please.On the storm front, Dutch levee's and storm defenses are built for a 1,000 year storm. Not a 100 year one. The New Orleans levees were specified for a 100 year storm, they failed a 25 year one from poor maintenance. That is incompetent and if as an engineer you think that is acceptable, I pity you. The last Hurricane to hit Europe was in 1988. No dams broke, no cities flooded.On Nukes. Construction starts next year. Sorry dude, the plans are in place, the engineering done, the program managers in place. No need for 'foreign engineers' as you well know the dual use trade restrictions prevent that for most nuke units. The designs meet NRC standards, the construction is ready to start. The engineers are mostly bright young Americans, with a very few trusted Europeans (after all, they never stopped building Nuke plants, especially those socialist French and Scandinavians) but that's pretty much it. You said it yourself, you were asked but are not qualified. Bummer.I'm sure 1970 is a comforting place to be, but you need to move on. And BTW, you will not be getting another call to get involved. You guys didn't do too great a job. 3 Mile Island sucked. This time around we are doing it right.Sorry Sam Wed 27 Aug 2008 01:39:45 GMT+1 allmymarbles 184, In an area subject to flooding, insurance companies do not usually cover for damage resulting from flood. I do not know the situation of New Orleans in this regard. However I would not buy a house in an area that could not be insured for floods. What that would tell me is "buy at your own risk." If the Katrina flood victims were not covered for damage due to flooding I don't see how we can blame the insurance companies for not payout out. Tue 26 Aug 2008 21:15:16 GMT+1 LoquaciousIvy allmymarbles--We would not need to support many of the Katrina victims if the insurance companies that took their premiums for years actually paid for the damage that occurred. Many people got very little if anything out of their policies due to the "water damage" issue. Whatever. Also, the government should have responded faster. There's no reason we can get aid to tsunami victims in 24 hours and make our own citizens wait for days to be evacuated from a drowned city (I'm talking about the people in the Superdome). No excuse. Tue 26 Aug 2008 19:50:17 GMT+1 allmymarbles 181, Jack.I don't agree. Cudgels, maybe. Tue 26 Aug 2008 18:13:41 GMT+1 allmymarbles 179, Jack.I don't see why there should be any blame anywhere. Katrina was a natural disaster of magna proportion. No one is ever prepared for something like that.And as for those who lost everything. Are we to support them forever? The government did not cause the disaster. The taxpayers did not cause the disaster. Meteorological phenomena caused it. Those who are religious call it an act of god.We are hit by bad luck at some time in our lives. To offer help in the initial stages is humane. But at some point it is up to the victim to get up on his hind legs and get on with his life. If we discourage that we encourage indigency Tue 26 Aug 2008 18:11:45 GMT+1 jacksforge marbles I think caning was needed at MA school. Tue 26 Aug 2008 17:09:19 GMT+1 jacksforge you can get good stuff instead of standardto para phrase the wrong one"Are there consumer watchdog agencies which report on actual subscriber reliabilitiy records to advise which appliances and cars fail most frequently and how?"WHICH? better than consumer report.Dare i mention that horrible show "Watchdog" Tue 26 Aug 2008 17:08:42 GMT+1 jacksforge here was a lot of blame to go around for what happened to New Orleans when they failed.but all of it was america's blame so suck it up. Tue 26 Aug 2008 17:04:01 GMT+1 jacksforge I've been offered two jobs to design one already, jobs I am not qualified for. They just can't get anybody, they don't exist anymore.just shows one that you are not as qualified as you pretend and that american safty standards are not so great if they would hire blattently unqualified people to make desisions that are best left to experts.If any of the rubbish you said was vauguly true in the first place, which is very unlikely considering you. Tue 26 Aug 2008 17:02:04 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Duly Tue 26 Aug 2008 11:39:36 GMT+1 allmymarbles 175, JackLibCongratulations. You have created another propaganda word with meaning only for you. Tue 26 Aug 2008 07:27:21 GMT+1 JackLibertarian This post has been Removed Tue 26 Aug 2008 06:34:34 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII If these people succeed, we'll be stuck with even more of them than we have already. we try hard enough, we can live up to the stereotype and hopefully stave them off. Things are already bad enough. Tue 26 Aug 2008 04:46:30 GMT+1 allmymarbles 169, staphylococcus aureus.In order to rant efficiently try to be more concise. All those unnecessary words dilute your venom. Tue 26 Aug 2008 04:17:20 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions allmymarbles 168: Duely (or is it dewely) noted, but at least its spelled correctly this time! Tue 26 Aug 2008 04:08:39 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII One more perfectly reasonable posting removed by the BBC gestapo. Even if it was exactly the opposite from what it is and the Blogger wasn't a complete nitwit or liar, and the physical conditions of America were actually far worse than in Europe, I'd still rather live here. Ultimately it comes down to what kind of place do you want to spend your life in. I've tasted the other side...and left before I puked. Tue 26 Aug 2008 03:51:08 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII This post has been Removed Tue 26 Aug 2008 03:13:24 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII I can't say what is in Europe now but when I lived there in the 70s I was struck by the fact that by comparison to their American counterparts, almost all European appliances, cars, building systems, were junk. The standards I referenced above are only some of the ones in use and the codes have become increasingly tougher. Have there been voluntary and government forced recalls of dangerously defective cars and appliances in Europe? Have there been big payouts in lawsuits where defective manufactured items have resulted in injury, death, or property loss? Are there consumer watchdog agencies which report on actual subscriber reliabilitiy records to advise which appliances and cars fail most frequently and how? Do they test them and issue reports the way for example Consumers Union does? What about consumer protection laws which force manufacturers and retailers to refund money or make free repairs to defective products which fail prematurely in normal use? What are refund policies like both in terms of common practice and as defined in law? These have all evolved considerably in the US. Where are they in Europe?You can get dual oven kitchen equipment. Instead of the standard GE cooking center which has a built in wall oven and microwave oven I have, my neighbor opted for one with two ovens. I'd say given many American's cooking habits, most I know would not find that useful. Consumer reports found what I suspected, that there are no advantages to the expensive heavy duty stainless steel institutional grade kitchen cooking appliances popular in many American homes now. $5000 stoves like Wolf, Viking, and others offered no advantages over GE, Kitchen Aid, Maytag, Magic Chef etc. at a fraction of the cost. In fact the more expensive appliances turned out to be less reliable. Personally I don't like the look of stainless steel in my kitchen except for the sink. There was a fad in the US some years ago, a $6000 Italian made stainless steel range hood. My $200 GE unit works just fine. When I lived there, European made small electrical appliances and electronics seemed very expensive and flimsy compared to their American counterparts. Most automobiles manufactured for domestic use in Europe could not be registered in the US because they would fail to meet American standards for safety and emissions. Exporters had specially manufactured export versions of what they sold if they were intended for use in the US. I was surprised that many apartments lacked essential features that would have made them unrentable in the US such as central heat. Plumbing fixtures were also remarkably flimsy. I had to replace a drain fitting made out of a very cheap grade of plastic. Funny, it was painted to look chrome. Electical hardware and installations would have missed NEC by a mile. I did not see even one which came close to meeting American codes. Even the carpeting in my modern apartment resembled the felt underlayment we sometimes use here as padding under wall to wall carpeting. If it has become equal or better in Europe than in hte US, there must have been a drastic change but since I don't believe anything most Europeans say, I'd have to see it for myself before I'd accept it and I have no plans to go there. America's municipal, industrial, and utility infrastructure has been so overbuilt by European standards that its reliability has been largely taken for granted. It's a dangerous mistake. Much of it is living on borrowed time. When it begins to fail and there are many indications that it already is starting, there won't be enough qualified people to bring it back into good repair in any reasonable time. And this doesn't count America's insatiably increasing thirst for electrical energy, the life blood of our post industrial computerized society. #67 When was the last time Europe was hit by a category 3 hurricaine? Even so, it was known for 40 years that those levees were vulnerable. The decision not to replace them with something much stronger was a polical one made over decades. There was a lot of blame to go around for what happened to New Orleans when they failed.Most airport terminals in the US are much older than those in Europe. Indianapolis is bulding a brand new one scheduled to open in October. I'm sure it will be very nice, its architecture looks very modern from the exterior. #72, Westinghouse, GE, and others can build the reactors, the turbines, and the generators but there is a lot more to building an entire nuclear power plant than that. To satisfy the NRC, there are countless requirements for all of the systems and structures that comprise such an undertaking. It was hard enough when I worked in project management on one back in the mid 70s and that one and others were designed by people who'd been at it specifically in that industry for 10 or more years. We haven't built one in 30 years. Those who knew how are dead or retired. It will take 5 to 10 years to rebuild the cadre of specialist engineers in that field once there is a committment to it. Imported engineers who design them in foreign countries won't cut it when it comes to meeting NRC. I've been offered two jobs to design one already, jobs I am not qualified for. They just can't get anybody, they don't exist anymore. Tue 26 Aug 2008 02:18:01 GMT+1 allmymarbles 165, NoRash.Be careful with your criticism.Proofread is one word. Gotcha! Tue 26 Aug 2008 00:05:43 GMT+1 David Cunard #161 jabber_jabber "All you have done is to describe a massive waste of energy" - I don't know know where you live, but I like to have a warm home in winter and a cool one in summer. This household is one of the few which actually has fires in the grate (after a short time, the masonry acts as a heater) but new houses (here) are barred from that and can only have decorative fires. So I'm damned either way! Everything can be described as a waste of energy, perhaps people should be urged to walk or cycle to work, petroleum products strictly rationed and cooking apparatus confined to something other than gas or electricity - I believe there are devices which can cook with the sun's rays. Washing machines, dyers and dishwashers should all be banned and we can go back to scrubbing boards and mangles. A pony and trap might get us around and fields can be ploughed with a horse. If you want to go back to the ways of a century or more that's fine with me, but count me out and, I suspect, many others Tue 26 Aug 2008 00:02:15 GMT+1 allmymarbles 157, 162, continued.Do Dogs Have Souls?IRS and the Antichrist Tue 26 Aug 2008 00:01:04 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions DougTexan #160: You'd better proof read your next posts, lest you be accused by the Brits of destroying the "language we share." Mon 25 Aug 2008 23:21:32 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions I do agree with Freedman's article, though. But if the Republicans win, you can bet that our infrustructure won't be fixed, and the imigration into thisccountry will be stopped, making this nation nothing but a giant burger chomping, war mongering bitch of an international partner!!God save America! Please? Mon 25 Aug 2008 23:16:07 GMT+1 NoRashDecisions Justin laments "America does have an aversion to tax and a creaking infrastructure (anyone who comes here from Western Europe or the advanced bits of Asia notices thatstuff doesn't work very well) which is one of the things Obama might fix, particularly if infrastructure investment becomes a way of keeping employment up in a recession."Unbelieveable, Justin! Just when I think you are the fairest, most level headed journalist ever, you go and say something like this!!! "That stuff doesn't work very well?" "Anyone" who comes here from abroad can see that? What "stuff?" Surely you are not implying that "all" of our infrustructure is in disrepair? Are you? For how would you know for sure? And how do you suppose that "anyone" would be able to see that our infrustructure is horible compared to that of Europe? Do you honestly think that when people come here, one of the first things they see is our abismal infrustructure? As if it leeps out at them like the Sears tower or the statue of liberty? Is that what you noticed when you first came here? Are you implying that "all" of our infrustructure in all of our cities and states is gastly? Now I'm not doubting for one second that large swaythes of our infrustructure aren't pitiful in many ways!! But Justin, I'm sorry, but I think it should be ileagle for descriptions such as this to be used by anyone over the age of 30 they are so offensive!! Surely you are not that bigotted! Surely you are not that generalistic and small minded! I hope I hope I hope!!!SamTyler1969 #21: You think our journalism is wors than Europe's? You're just as generalistic as Justin! There are bad US journalists and bad European ones! They're not all the New York Times and the Daily Tellegraph and the Gardian unfortionately!!Regarding Obama being seen as a rock star, I think the solution is so simple!! If he were to simply point out that being a "celebrity" is so to speek isn't necessarily a bad thing, then the McCain ataks would be seen as desprit and rediculous!! Plus I'm willing to bet you that many real "celebrities" will be happy, as the lable will not from now on instantly conjure up images of drinkers, druggers, and arrisses!!A celebrity can instead be defined as anyone who is popular and well liked! Be it in Hollywood or Washington! And after all, isn't that what Freedman was trying to say? That people don't whip environmentalists, road crews, etc into shape because there aren't a lot of people in Washington to light a fire under them? Imagin what improvements we could make if it were inhabited by "celebrities!!" Mon 25 Aug 2008 23:10:21 GMT+1 allmymarbles 160, Doug.Ah, you've got the spirit.Here are a couple more:Old Loves and Other Names We Have ForgottenObesity - Is Bigger Better?I hope you are watching, Justin. Mon 25 Aug 2008 22:52:30 GMT+1 john 13 David CunardAll you have done is to describe a massive waste of energy - which is what the rest of the world has accused the US of doing for a long time - now you are defending it - shame on you! Mon 25 Aug 2008 22:41:10 GMT+1 DougTexan Ms Marbles, How about this;Beer and differece in hops from the states and Germany. :)Seriously though, I think some construction notes with all he engineers on this site would be fun.Some looks into the life and times of Charles Manson :)The BeatlesThe Keating Five? huh ed ):( thats just sad either wayTejas and the Mexcan Tequila revolution.The worm and LSD, mushrooms and other sixties memorabilaKorea vs Vietnam, social skills and the resulting GovernmentsHillary hahaha, I gotta jet, beer went to myt head in this heat. Mon 25 Aug 2008 22:32:24 GMT+1 mary gravitt The best thing about Joe Biden is that he has a sense of humor. He can laugh at himself. Obama is kind of somber. They make a good team like Martin and Lewis. They balance each other.Hillary's mistake was that she didn't know when to let go. This will come back to haunt her in her next run. Anther thing is the Hillaryac who blame Obama for her lost is building trouble for her in 2012 or 2016, if she decides to run. They are mad because they say she was abused by and in the Media, so they will vote for McCain. What is a stake here is more than who will be president. Respect for the United States as a nation that respects international law and decency is on the same line as Election 2008.The US has become so debilitated by unnecessary warfare until we cannot respond in a moral and appropriate manner except accuse the Russians of doing in Georgia what WE have been doing for the past 10 years.I don't care how much of a "common man" Biden is suppose to represent, I hope that he never gets the reputation that stuck to Bush: "He's the kind of guy you like to have a beer with." One ole alcoholic drunk on the blood of power in the White House for the past 7.5 years is enough. Mon 25 Aug 2008 22:07:43 GMT+1 Candace9839 So much for teamwork from the ClintonsLearning what the the L word means Mon 25 Aug 2008 21:37:07 GMT+1 allmymarbles Hey, Justin, baby, how about we get a rest from this campaign stuff? I've had politics up the goojey.Here's some ideas for livening things up:Are You Too Tattooed?Narcissism - Are We Worth It?Group Sex and Spiritual GrowthWine Tasting and the Art of One-UpmanshipThe last should get you a lotta comments because of you-know-who. Mon 25 Aug 2008 21:16:38 GMT+1 allmymarbles 154, Guns.I did pack light. I just acted like what I had was too heavy for me. Mon 25 Aug 2008 20:58:25 GMT+1 DougTexan Xing_Ming I have wondered the same of Bill Clinton. Following the site that Ed gave out, yahoo answers; Bill Clinton: Pardons: 35 Comuted Sentences: 146 This is p/m many (3-5) on sentences as it is alot. I think I'm right, just wouldn't want to be quoted as 'right' and I ain't doin' it again.Now the question is , what were the two Clintons comuted for?Elevators: the reason the highrise construction came to be. Thats the engineering mind at its best, well nearly, it ain't space travel.... yeah it is,. just limited.It isn't lasers either, that they use for plumb, it's Bob, and a long piano bob will do the job Mon 25 Aug 2008 20:27:44 GMT+1 gunsandreligion #149, allmy, this is what you get for having 2 X chromosomes.The "pack light" gene is located on the Y chromosome.Someday, someone will do some genetic manipulationand come up with a gal who can pack light for a trip,and a guy who can ask for directions.But, they're never going to figure out how toget guys to get off the couch when the super bowl is on...They might be able to switch us from Budweiserto something decent, but that's about the bestthey will ever be able to do. Mon 25 Aug 2008 20:08:55 GMT+1 kitkatlamike It's difficult to understand why Obama is viewed by many democrats as a politician who needs to "play ball" with McCain and those who run negative ads by "fighting back". Obama is rising above the petty tactics by choosing not to engage. Unfortunately, many american voters will expect it from him, and despite all attempts to run a clean campaign, he will eventually be squeezed by the machine and start hurtling rocks. Mon 25 Aug 2008 20:03:32 GMT+1 DougTexan Bill Clinton:COMMUTATIONS: 45PARDONS: 136That is if I counted them exactly, I may be off by plus or minus 3.answered by [Personal details removed by Moderator] Mon 25 Aug 2008 19:52:00 GMT+1 MikeIL To #93LawChicago....If you really are from Chicago then Maybe you have driven the Stevenson? Maybe you are also unaware of the rampant corruption in Chicago and how the Unions play their part in it. Let me explain it.Politican:We need more tax dollars to fix the roads.Engineer:Well we can do it as we always have and then need to re-do them in 5-7 years again -- or we can spend 50% mor and use the same method as what's used on internatinal runways and not have to fix them again for at least 20-30 years.Union to Politician:Use the new better, lower cost technology and we won't vote for you, contribute to your campaign and we'll also do everything we can to make your life like Hell.Result:US taxpayers drive on roads built with 1946 technology.Roads in the US need to be re-done every 5-7 years. Americans are paying than they have to, and politicians are buying union support with US taxpayer dollars on "investments" that create "jobs."In some circles it's called a racket but here in Chicago it's what is known as "politics as usual."Justin:The idea of investing in infrastructure being akin to some form of job creation program is a bunch of liberal hooey. Built with modern technology roads should not need to be repaired for at least 20 years -- but here in Chicao, as a result of thinking like you expressed, we have two seasons -- Winter and construction. Mon 25 Aug 2008 19:49:05 GMT+1 SaintDominick Ref 145Aerial recognizance is currently done with satellites and robotic drones such as the Predator and the MLB Bats, although the SR-71 Blackbirds and other high altitude planes are still a valuable tool. Mon 25 Aug 2008 19:46:43 GMT+1 allmymarbles 122, David.It had nothing to do with being young and pretty. There were plenty of young pretty women passing through that customs shed, but I was the only person whose baggage was not inspected. It really had to do with a technique born of mischief. (I didn't have enough money to smuggle anything.)Rules: (1) Have your keys out in plain sight, (2) Be anxious to help, and (3) Add difficulties. When traveling from Norway to Sweden, I purposely put my suitcase way on the top rack. When the Swedish customs agent came through, I made a big thing of trying to climb to the top rack and was very clumsy about it. He smiled, sighed, and let it go.In the shed in Harwich there was a counter to put your case on. I had my keys out, but couldn't manage the case and the keys. In confusion I gave the keys to the customs officer. I tried to pull my case up by the handle while pushing up underneath with my knee. He gave me the look you give a charming but dopey puppy, handed me my keys, and carried my bags out of the shed.HaHa. Did it again! Mon 25 Aug 2008 19:42:25 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill gunsandrel (#145), we still have a few U-2s, but, regrettably, Francis Gary Powers is deceased. Mon 25 Aug 2008 19:41:37 GMT+1 Xie_Ming It would be good to see some issues addressed,but perhaps AMM has it right-that only in the first days of the campaign does one get a glimmer of the real attitudes.However, the people on this Forum could raise and address issues.What say you? Mon 25 Aug 2008 19:34:37 GMT+1 Xie_Ming #125At that time, the US Navy personnel files could contain the annotation "PI" (political influence". Mon 25 Aug 2008 19:31:48 GMT+1 gunsandreligion We've pretty much covered everything that Justinhas brought up, including frequency of bathing,radiator temperatures, size and ubiquity of ranges,state of repair of major highways, traffic lights, signs,variation of the gene pool in American and Chinesesociety, and, of course, politics.Everything, that is, except one thing whichdifferentiates the US from its progenitors.And, that thing is the "Elevator Gap." The lasttime that I was in France, I discovered that manyelevators are conversions of existing stairwells,and they are just barely big enough to hold oneperson. When I returned to the States, I wasimmediately returned to my comfort zone assoon as I entered a normal American elevator.Now, I don't know about the UK. It might be thatyou have ripped apart all of your historic buildingsin order to retrofit them with reasonably-sizedelevators. But, I suspect not.I propose that we immediately send overGary Powers in a U-2 (or whatever we have now)to determine the extent of this "Elevator Gap."Or, you could send spies over from Britland todetermine for yourselves the situation.In any case, this may be the sleeping issue ofthe campaign. Who knows, perhaps the Russianslaunched "Sputnik" because they were tired ofhearing how big our elevators and departmentstores were? Mon 25 Aug 2008 19:20:40 GMT+1 proles One of America's 'grandstandingist' columnists was a cub reporter groomed for years to become the journalistic heir to the late, odious A.M. Rosenthal at the Times. Thomas Friedman like Rosenthal - and also some foreign correspondents - has been a dutiful shill for corporate power and American cultural and military hegemony around the globe; as well, of course, as being a leading apologist for Israeli aggression and occupation. Friedman, like his mentor Rosenthal - and certain foreign correspondents - is always "reading into" every event these overiding objectives of the ruling elites he srves. It's amusing to note that little Lopez Lomong, the handpicked poster boy for a "warm, caring" America of "strength through diversity" platitudes, finished dead last in his qualifying heat at the Olympics carnival. Maybe there's some lessons to learn from that. Another American rags to riches to rags story. Kenyan carpetbagger, Bernard Legat who only recently picked up a US passport also failed to make the finals. Despite the self-congratulatory propaganda, some on 'Noah's Ark' didn't fare so well. And neither do millions of proles in America and China and elsewhere, far from the Olympics bright glare who have more urgent needs to meet. Neither society is hardly a "bottom up" society. Friedman as usual twists the truth, to serve ruling interests. It's especially rich that he should choose enviornmentalism as his case in point, given the way the US has turned its back on global warming treaties and dumped a lot of its dirtiest industries in third world countries, etc. And of course Friedman wouldn't even dare mention "bottom up" politics in the economic context, not in as severely a class divided society as America. No, so-called 'freedom' in America has come to be perversely interpreted by American ruling class publicists like Fridman - and certain foreign correspondents - as the freedom of American corporations to plunder and pollute the rest of the planet, and for the monied class, "the freedom not to be over-taxed". You won't find those lofty 'freedoms' enshrined in the Constitution but if you're a "grand" American or foreign journalistic propagandist, you can always go on "reading into" it! Mon 25 Aug 2008 19:03:50 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart And now, for something completely different....;-)#ed Mon 25 Aug 2008 19:00:53 GMT+1 DougTexan make that one hour exactly Mon 25 Aug 2008 19:00:07 GMT+1 DougTexan "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.George Orwell in his book '1984'This is all of us today, who said that kitchens of twenty years ago in England weren't up to US standards of today? 10 or 20 years ago now past has met today....huh? :)forty minute behind posts, must be lunch timeenjoy Mon 25 Aug 2008 18:59:25 GMT+1 SaintDominick Ref 112I am an agnostic, but I do an unconventional way but with the same intentions and hopes as those that do it on the basis of religious belief. Mon 25 Aug 2008 18:52:40 GMT+1 jacksforge biden and Obama there is another good thing. now will america accept it.there's the problem.or are they still looking for a hummer of a president. Mon 25 Aug 2008 18:46:59 GMT+1 DougTexan Anyone want a refresher course on George Orwells book 1984. This is a one page summary of the story and links to chapter and verse. 1984 Mon 25 Aug 2008 18:45:41 GMT+1 David Cunard #90, #123 Xie_Ming: To answer your question about President Clinton's pardons, check this link which, if you scroll down, will show some of the pardons and commutations by previous incumbents. Mon 25 Aug 2008 18:39:12 GMT+1 jacksforge Oregon has several bits of road where the road slipped (due to logging) an has not been fixed in two years.Imagine this you appeasing europeans. driving around a corner with a sign saying "sunken grade" and finding half the road is missing.Hell no temporary traffic lights(because they don't plan on fixing it)At road works you have some guy /gal standing in the road waiting to be hit by a drunk with a sign.Did you'll never hear of temporary traffic lights.They got them all over the UK.even in rural areas.And don't give the old well thats oregon it's different here in cali. cali has food labeling and all sorts of crazy "european "standards and ideas.most of america calls cali's mad.get out to the rest of america with the upright wirlpool washers .As to jacuzzis Pathetic.Marbles.heating is an extravegance . We had a gas heater in our house in the UK ( probably put out by the gas board to encourage use) that had a setting in the bakalite "MISER"thats class marketing calling people cheap is they used the lowest setting.but then In the UK I did not suffer from the problems that go with forced air heating and AC which the medical industry will sell you so many cures for other than TURNING THEM DOWN.Those schools also teach you how to get away with it.:) Mon 25 Aug 2008 18:38:01 GMT+1 HowardTurnerGrange I enjoy your reports Justin but your predictions are usually wrong. Let's hope this one is too. Mon 25 Aug 2008 18:37:22 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill allmymarbles (#125), that doesn't mean anything. MacArthur probably wanted a lot of things he didn't get, notably the presidency. There were also those who would have tried MacArthur for being unprepared for a Japanese attack shortly after Pearl Harbor. Mon 25 Aug 2008 18:36:36 GMT+1 David Cunard #124. allmymarbles: "your houses are still too cold for me." Which is one reason I live in California! They still use hot water radiators to heat (along with some electric) rather than the forced-air most American home have. Whether new builds have it better I don't know, but double glazing has become a major industry there, insulation being the best thing. The damp though is a cause for being cold; I once went back for Christmas and couldn't wait to get to L.A. because I was so chilled - not because of the low temperature, but the moisture in the air.You're correct about the time-line of changes, although I'd have said that in the 70s they were well over ten years behind (no colour TV until 1973 +/-), few washers and dryers and dinky under counter fridges. Today, very little difference, but "service" is no longer a feature, whereas US sellers strive to provide it; the Brits may ridicule our ubiquitous "have a nice day" but they haven't been able to sustain good customer relations - but then, so many front-line staff are no longer British. We stayed in what is considered to be London's finest hotel and almost the only staff member who was British was the Hall Porter. Reception, wait staff and maids were all from a different EU country. Lovely surroundings though and excellent food! Mon 25 Aug 2008 18:32:52 GMT+1 jacksforge My mum travelled to the UK back in the 60's , had to put a coin in the heater for the room. etc. no Ice needed there just put it out on the door step.strange thing is she has lived in both the US on and off now in 4 year intervals for 50 years.And her kitchen now in the UK is the best she had.Broilers on the floor for bffbfbfb sake?What is that about. why two ovens, well here it is oh cooky one. mr chef.It works better than having one HUGE oven that when you have the 1 oven on(heat big area) you cannot do two different dishes. at different temperatures. you cannot use the Broiler(Grill for brits) while you use the oven.Quick get out the forman.Seriously how much do you cook ?ALL of that does not take into the huge waste of energy heating a cow sized oven for a dish of enchilladas .BTW you want to go on about a good american thing then go on about the mexican food. Not spicy enough but none the less good.whether or not it is authentic. Mon 25 Aug 2008 18:25:57 GMT+1 DougTexan to link this but it wouldn't go Mon 25 Aug 2008 18:22:30 GMT+1 jacksforge dc really?Marbles 10 years behind in the 70'swas it the sixties that it was 20years behind.doing some bull calculations I would think that if the progress continued to improve coomparitivly from the 80's on that would make europe?10 years a decade , now we must be 10 plus years ahead.Which is about right.(i know this is rather a MA way of proving(or not) a point, and this calculation has little to do with reality).The cordless kettle that turns itself off when it is finished boiling is light years ahead of the "water boiler" that continues till it is empty(and if your lucky turns off).But we need something to fill our counter tops what with not needing a george forman grill next to the toaster oven by the toaster next to the coffe machine by the plug in crock pot.All of which could be done on the totally antiquated gas oven put in the council house back in the 60'sNow admittedly fitting a whole cow in the oven is a little hard. Mon 25 Aug 2008 18:16:53 GMT+1 SamTyler1969 #115To cook two things that require different temperatures, like a piece of fish and a souffle at the same time? Why not buy a convection microwave in addition? Sure, but if the range was well designed, you wouldn't need one, and you could have a microwave drawer which is a heck of a lot less ugly. As for stooping, yes you have to bend down to use an oven, but pulling something our at eye level that is at 400 degrees is kind of, umm dangerous?The ovens can be side by side, e.g. Aga or Wolfe. But you can get those here too.Chef Sam Mon 25 Aug 2008 18:16:29 GMT+1 allmymarbles 123, Xie.As to your second point, I will give you three guesses. Mon 25 Aug 2008 18:06:56 GMT+1 aquarizonagal First to Dougtexan: I will give prayers of thanks that your brother is okay and my prayers for his continued safety will continue. Everyone of our men and women who serve are heroes to me! Second:My understanding is that Hillary refused to be 'vetted' unless she was guaranteed the VP job in advance which could not happen because vetting is a prerequisite to being offered the job. I believe that this is called the 'Catch 22'. I think she did not want Clinton finances, affiliations, or what Bill may have been doing recently, to be examined too closely. How many houses do they own?Third: Must there always be a comparison of which country, government, culture, lifestyle, opinions, thoughts etc. are superior to another? Please be kind to each other.We are off to Denver this week.Not for the convention, but to greet our newest great-grandchild! Have fun! Mon 25 Aug 2008 18:05:55 GMT+1 DougTexan Okay, here it is, is this the NFL, NBA or other look closely now, cause this is a political site:36 have been accused of spousal abuse7 have been arrested for fraud 19have been accused of writing bad checks 117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses 3 have done time for assault 71,repeat, 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges 8 have been arrested for shoplifting 21 currently are defendants in lawsuits, and 84have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year Can you guess which organization this is? Give up yet? Neither, the NBA or the NFL,it's the 435 members of the United States Congress The same group that crank out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line. Peace () smile Mon 25 Aug 2008 17:59:46 GMT+1 allmymarbles 123, Xie.Your first point is interesting. I didn't know about MacArthur wanting to court martial him. (I was never a fan of JFK.) Mon 25 Aug 2008 17:58:40 GMT+1 allmymarbles 115, David.Yes, there have been great changes in England. My first impression when I was there was that it was 20 years behind the US. By the 1970's it was 10 years behind. Now i guess there is not much difference, except in culture. But your houses are still too cold for me. Mon 25 Aug 2008 17:50:02 GMT+1 Xie_Ming I can't imagine why someone has "referred a comment to the moderators".Two points:(1) JFK turned off his engines and had a swimming party. The Jap destroyer he was supposed to intercept ran him over. Through paid publicity, this was made heroic, although MacArthur wanted to court-martial him.2) In the final weeks of his administration, Clinton issued many, many "pardons". No one has established exactly why. Mon 25 Aug 2008 17:35:35 GMT+1 David Cunard #101. jacksforge: "big is not always better DC" How un-American!! I can't agree with you about kitchens though, or appliances - consider that on this side of the Atlantic we've had all that "stuff" (as Justin calls it) for far longer than anyone else. Who needs a cordless kettle? Most people drink coffee and use gas to boil water for tea.#102 - No doubt you were a young and pretty American half-a-century ago, almost an alien species for them, so no doubt that was in your favour. Strange how perceptions alter - now the British emulate almost everything from the US, except, as I've said before, the ice and sandwiches. Mon 25 Aug 2008 17:35:33 GMT+1 allmymarbles 107, 108, Jack.Keeping up with old traditions? #119 was for you too. Mon 25 Aug 2008 17:30:02 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart A conversation with Rangel, the Big Man in New York:"WSJ: What does Obama need to achieve in Denver?Rangel: I’m not a professional from a nationwide point of view in determining where he is weak or where he is strong. But I think if he wants to do well, he has to focus on his appeal to red states.WSJ: You supported Hillary Clinton throughout the primaries. What do you think of Obama picking Joe Biden as his running mate?Rangel: I thought that the smartest thing to do would have been [choosing] Hillary Clinton. But after her, there’s no question Joe can do a great job.WSJ: A recent WSJ/NBC News poll found that half of Clinton’s primary voters say they aren’t voting for Obama right now.Rangel: I don’t believe it. You say “right now” – underline “right now.” They’ll come home.WSJ: What does Obama have to do to bring them back to the Democratic Party?Rangel: Nothing. McCain is doing enough to bring those women voters back....WSJ: Obama is expected to turn a spotlight on his urban policy priorities this week. As a congressman from Harlem, what do are your top priorities for American cities?Rangel: There’s no question that our infrastructure is in terrible shape, and also unemployment is so high. If I was asked as to urban policy, I’d say look at our schools that are in disrepair nationally. And of course, as far as I’m concerned, after the war, healthcare and taxes, education has to really be an investment that this country is prepared to make."I just thought that would be of interest, considering the side-bets on infrastructure...;-)edP.S. Some fun""I'm Hillary Clinton and I do not approve that message,"" Mon 25 Aug 2008 17:28:17 GMT+1 allmymarbles 106, Jack.Caning was out by then. But he was punished (and quite proud of it) for putting a fly (fake) in the prefect's milk. That's what changed his status from new boy to one of the boys. It also encouraged him in mischief. Mon 25 Aug 2008 17:27:27 GMT+1 DougTexan Ed, thanks for this one, kinda balances the two parties into a sameness of mean. Dang, isn't politic'n grand, what sport!"Team Biden also showed some sharp elbows against rivals for the No. 2 slot. When news surfaced that the wife of another leading vice-presidential contender, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh, made nearly $1 million a year on corporate boards, Biden backers quickly pointed out to friends and former colleagues in the Obama camp that Jill Biden made far less working as a teacher.Meanwhile, backers of Sen. Bayh and Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine also were trying to put the best light on their candidates. Gov. Kaine's aides, for example, pointed to YouTube videos showing him firing up crowds in Spanish, reaching a key demographic in a swing state. Sen. Bayh's partisans emphasized stature in Indiana, potentially another key state."By MONICA LANGLEY WSj 08-25-08I liked the way she used "key demographic" rather than "Mexican"Just went to Wiipedia, seems like the "Biden" faithful have completly updated the site,.. so much for reader rewrite. Just check out the notes at the bottom (references and links), all dated since August 23, 2008. Talk about a History rewrite, wow, this is serious propaganda set up.People, we are in the midst of history dying, can you smell the past, sense its passing, good days and warm, fuzzy knowlege,.. gone for ever. The reason for yearly updates and new history books, what was that book,... 1984.rewrite #10034dissention good, peace dissention:)kiddin' not, padwar Mon 25 Aug 2008 17:23:59 GMT+1 MagicKirin Since the title is Rock Star, in what the DNC does not need category:I give you Madona, who in her concert last night compared McCain to Mugabe and Hitler by flashing pictures of them in sequence.Except for a couple of extremists on this blog, you have to admidt that is not good for Obama. Mon 25 Aug 2008 17:20:23 GMT+1 Sylbia It is seldom you will find a person humble enough to take the risk of hiring a candidate that may be more prominent. However, I believe Obama will shine more and grow taller - It is just the way of this man - He is unique. Mon 25 Aug 2008 17:20:01 GMT+1 David Cunard #44. allmymarbles - Britain in 1956 was a very different place then. Rationing had only recently been curtailed, most people rented their homes, central heating in those house was frequently unknown and all the advances in home appliances, cars and just about everything else in the US were just a dream for most Brits; for example, US staples such as cake mixes and (modern) detergents were only just coming onto the market. Not until twenty years later were there some signs of change which did not really come to fruition until the Thatcher years. Visiting Britain today shows how very American it has become, even to changes in language. But they still haven't mastered the ice problem, not even in the finest of establishments; two cubes seems to be the norm!#67. SamTyler1969 - What's the point of two ovens, one above the other? One would have to stoop down to use the lower one; when we need a second oven it can be built in at a convenient height. We have a microwave-cum-convection oven immediately over the range, something which is never seen in the UK, possibly because of safety concerns and legislation, but it's a lot more convenient. As for the sandwiches, don't blame Marcus, it was my recent experiences that were responsible for the adverse comment. Give me an American sandwich anytime, except at teatime, which even then my countrymen have almost ruined. But that's for another blog!#95. jacksforge "In the states (not just oregon) the signs are at the exit." Here in the Golden State the signs for a specific exit are shown three times before the exit and on the (right) exit side immediately before the off-ramp. Couldn't be easier. Roundabouts are not immune from accidents and I'd rather have traffic lights. British motorways are narrow compared to our own freeways, many of which have six lanes in each direction and signage which can be read from a distance. Whoever designed the motorways in the UK never considered that one day there might be more traffic. An accident in one lane (or across both) can hold up traffic for hours. Concerning traffic signals though, in this area they are at all positions, and suspended above the street. The positioning must vary from one locality to another and of course, a right turn is permitted against a red light. Possibly Oregon has different laws in this regard.#58. MagicKirin asks why Chelsea is to speak - because the Clintons had (and have) that much leverage. This week is all about her and Obama/Biden are second, at least until the acceptance speech. Mon 25 Aug 2008 17:17:17 GMT+1 gunsandreligion #75, Congrats to your Bro, and I''ll ask the manupstairs to watch over him and his buds. Mon 25 Aug 2008 17:03:35 GMT+1 airbornespecialized "I still think the Biden risk is that he will outshine the younger fellow.. "Hmmm. As if Obama (and his team) - having just prevailed in the most protracted and difficult Democratic nomination process in living memory, and also survived early lunges from the Republican attack machine - will allow a respected, yes, but journeyman senator to suddenly upstage him at the coronation?Objectivity is the bedrock upon which the credibility of our BBC has been established .. get a grip, Justin. Mon 25 Aug 2008 17:03:09 GMT+1 jacksforge doug .I'll have a bowl for your brother(I better not pray because I'm known to be an unbeliever) Mon 25 Aug 2008 16:52:24 GMT+1 gunsandreligion Ed, #68, 86, 89: I agree, there is plenty of mud to throw around.And, of course, McCain voted for the bankruptcy bill, so he probablycan't attack Biden on it.This is all sort of like the Cold War when the US and the USSR totaledup the entire weight of warheads that they could throw at each other,producing the term "throw weight."#91, Ms. Marbles: well, he was Irish, wasn't he?#97, Ed: a very weak attack which just shows that the Repubs havea lot of money in Texas.#98, Ed: we're back to that old SNL video, here. Mon 25 Aug 2008 16:45:54 GMT+1 jacksforge 91. At 4:19pm on 25 Aug 2008, allmymarbles wrote:65, Xie.Someone I knew served with Kennedy during the war. He said JFK was a drunk. Well, that fits the family pattern, doesn't it?and until recently drinking friends included Hillary(familly after all JFK was not around) Mon 25 Aug 2008 16:45:35 GMT+1 jacksforge Only technically qualified people are in a position to compare and assess technical standards in use in the US against those used in other parts of the why did You mainly wrong bother to continue typing. Mon 25 Aug 2008 16:43:41 GMT+1 jacksforge that's the dishes ,it rains too much to bother with showers. Mon 25 Aug 2008 16:42:21 GMT+1 jacksforge once a year, whether I need it or not. marbles Mon 25 Aug 2008 16:41:18 GMT+1 jacksforge 46 school teachers in England have some funny ideas on health like that. but then the kids were always happy to get home at the end of the term. Snow on the feet of beds(with kids in only happened...when it snowed.:) torture is relative .Did he ever tell you if he was beaten with the cane? Mon 25 Aug 2008 16:36:12 GMT+1 jacksforge 99 visident. that is funny "african team"I suppose all the venesuallans in the AMERICaN team added to the diversity Mon 25 Aug 2008 16:24:05 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Biden Camp Pressed HardFor a Slot on the Ticket"When the Obama campaign's vice-presidential vetters sought financial statements, political speeches and medical records, Sen. Biden's team turned the grueling task into an opportunity to sell their man. Their most obvious pitch was his strong experience in foreign policy at a time of crisis, one of Sen. Obama's biggest weak spots with voters. Sen. Biden's foreign-policy director traveled with Sen. Obama to Iraq and Afghanistan during his overseas tour in late July, giving the presidential contender a close-up sense of the expertise the Biden circle could provide."An article well worth reading in full.Salaam, etc.ed(if you can't get it without subscription, let me know, and I'll archive it, like this one) Mon 25 Aug 2008 16:23:10 GMT+1 jacksforge oh and dougs brother, congratulations.Safe tour . Mon 25 Aug 2008 16:20:59 GMT+1 allmymarbles 40, David.Further on my first trip to England.As I was about to take the boat train from Denmark, a Swedish friend said that it would be full of English and that they wouldn't talk to me. He said they were not impolite; it was just their way.So I armed myself with a newspaper (the New York Times) and boarded the train. In my compartment (and I think it was very nice of fate to arrange it this way) was an Englishman, an Irishman, an Indian and a Scot. No one spoke. The Scot, who wore a kilt, was more than beautiful, but turned out to be a religious nut. Such a waste!No one spoke. But the Irishman needed a match, so he had to ask if anyone had one. A desultory conversation begain but picked up when someone said that nobody, but nobody, liked the Americans. (Great! I loved to eavesdrop.)My newspaper was folded so that all anyone saw of the masthead was "Times." The Englishman on my right glanced at me and saw the rest which said (New York). I kept my eye on him so that he could not give me away, but eventually he, being a very fair man, turned bright red.They all caught on at once and, in reparation, had to be very nice to me. By the time we got on the boat for Harwich we were a friendly group (except for the beautiful Scot). I told them I could get their stuff through customs - that I was never searched - and so they wouldn't have to pay customs (which was high at the time). They said "impossible," everyone's luggage was searched. But they decided to take a chance and turned over their booty to me.Not only didn't customs not open my luggage, the customs man carried my cases for me! (I had perfected my technique.) We sorted everything out on the train to London and parted company, all of us very happy. Mon 25 Aug 2008 16:20:47 GMT+1 jacksforge except the bit about a rock star hiring a politician .I think the guy in the linked article who said why the fuss about Clinton being considered is right.huckabee is not on the Gop ticket, yet.oh and 33 DC seriously you are sounding like MA here.Europe was behind( paying off war debt was more important at that time). but they cought up and passed america , ,on that kitchen tech.Most in europe have smaller houses(uses less resources) and so less room for massive fridges with so much room they could fit a month of provisions in it.Most will probably pass the store before the end of the month.And efficiency? they are more efficient.big is not always better know more thing those sandwiches (named after that english earl) are now being sold to those culinary marvals the French.American sandwiches are not as small but then neither are the people. Mon 25 Aug 2008 16:19:41 GMT+1 DougTexan Yes, the McCain administration I cannot vouch for, nor find alot,.. no, big difference between the two in true policies, Obama-McCain. Supreme Court picks withstanding, the Energy policies, Healthcare and Economy/Budget rest strongly on the States and Congress. National Defense and Foriegn policy run with the Comander and Chief, not his VP,(thus nulifying Biden, unless he is the 'real' president) he (the VP) is the tie breaking vote for congress and public functions, staying behind and ready in case of a disaster happens to the PresidentMy real concern with BhO, is the far/extreme left he came from. When I see him now, he is almost centrist/moderate, appeasing and shifting his stand (not flip flop) to encompass a larger voting block. Good politics no doubt, it'll help, and possibly get him elected.Thats where the return to the 2006-7 Bh0 gets tricky. Remember, he was the farthest left in voting record on votes he made, and 'here' on even more. His friends (cabinet absentia) and aquaintainces return with hands out/debts owed/reconciliation on thier minds.Many comment on Bushs "Big Oil Friends" and the special consideration they 'supposedly' got, what will BhOs "Friends" get, want passed or forgiven through presidential order. We know GW did it, and I'll bet BhO will to, but I think I may 'not care for' it more.Ed, #84 And as to the Keating Five, I can only agree it wasn't pretty, I've read alot it, been employment involved (lost a construction position when the Savings and Loan went bust, financing died here in Texas next to Lake Ray Hubbard), and like it or not, in testimony and fact, McCain and Glenn, fought the other three in assistance of the SnL, as they saw it as a problem child. "After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".wikipedia on the Keating Five, above and below, all decisions, quoted from a bi-partison committee."The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him.[17][16] McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising "poor judgment" when he met with the federal regulators on Keating's behalf.[6] The report also said that McCain's "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him....Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States."Now, what is bad for JM, is the poor judgement hit, that said, he was concerned for the many people who would be hurt by the demise of Lincoln SnL(me included), in the face of fairness, all should read up on this, as "it" will make a difference on your opinion of JM. He really is a noble man.namaste my most noble aquaintainces () Mon 25 Aug 2008 16:16:30 GMT+1 Visitant From the Freidman article:"Let’s start with us. Walking through the Olympic Village the other day, here’s what struck me most: the Russian team all looks Russian; the African team all looks African; the Chinese team all looks Chinese; and the American team looks like all of them."What is the African team? That, surely, is the most inclusive of all of them... Mon 25 Aug 2008 15:53:01 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Bill Clinton Not Happy With Convention Speech TopicSour grapes and sore losers" Nearly three months after Hillary Clinton conceded defeat in the nomination contest, these Obama partisans complained, her team continues to act like she and Bill Clinton hold leverage....Some senior Obama supporters are irritated at how they perceive the Clintons fanned — or at a minimum failed to douse — stories that she was not even vetted as a possible vice presidential nominee. This is because she told Obama she preferred not to go through the rigorous process of document production unless she was really a serious contender, an Obama associate noted.One senior Obama supporter said the Clinton associates negotiating on her behalf act like “Japanese soldiers in the South Pacific still fighting after the war is over.”A prominent Obama backer said some of Clinton’s lieutentants negotiating with the Obama team are “bitter enders” who presume that, rather than the Clintons reconciling themselves to Obama’s victory, it is up to Obama to accommodate them."So who's surprised? Not me!xxed Mon 25 Aug 2008 15:47:22 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Family Matters"Isn’t this kind of a weird attack for the Texas GOP to launch given the recent revelation of Cindy McCain's "angry" and estranged half-sister? Jake Tapper"Hmmmm...;-)ed Mon 25 Aug 2008 15:38:33 GMT+1 allmymarbles 71, Dominick.I think McCain's criteria for choosing a running mate will be different from Obama's. He may well feel that he does not need anyone to bolster him and will choose only on the basis of beating Obama. For that reason, if the republican whites would accept it, he would be clever to choose a black. A black woman would be a double whammy.Does he have the nerve? I don't know. But if he does go with a black it will be a very interesting race. He would be bound to split the democratic black vote. But who would the right-wingers vote for? Would they stay home? A very tricky decision for McCain. Mon 25 Aug 2008 15:30:16 GMT+1 jacksforge please DC and Real about the motorways,autobans,highways. your crazysigning... after the junction. get a british driving test book and look again. a sign at 1/2 mile from junction, then three signs counting down to ,the sign AT the traffic side of the off ramp(which is incidentally leads up to the roundabout allowing trucks a better view of the off ramp).normally all to the slow lane side of the road.In the states (not just oregon) the signs are at the exit.... the far side of the exit so you can look and go "holyCr#P that was it"tarffic lights that are the far side of the junction . this leads to many side impact deaths on the US roads every year.A simple change of the possitioning of the light to the near side of the juction would mean that you have to add another light down lower , but also that the traffic moving through the junction can see the light before they are in to late a position to stop/see around truck they were following too close to,etcA few thousand words could be written on this subject including the topics such as Durability, road markings(cats eyes/reflectors), volume handled etc. and you will not find the US system has either the smooth roads or the safe systems in place that you would find in much of europe.Ovens MY GOD half of america has a broiler where the euro's store their pot and oven pans.complicated recipies mean a recipe where you have to Brulee something.Like I said before americans are just discovering the cordless Kettle.eeeerrererererrererbig muscle cars thats what america makes best.Peopel who shout "go team go" there's another. but your infrastructure let alone consumer goods are totally lame.Sorry, it 's true.Why are the americans JUST getting into roundabouts.(my God how long did it take to convince cities that side impact deaths are reduced at roundabouts.)What I really can't believe is I have no complaint for the content of Justins blog topic.though I have to say in ref to China that it is going to be funny in 4 years. everyone telling the chinese they were too strict when in the UK there will probably be HUGE demo's (especially if Big Chips gets in).Some of those may even be locked up as terrorists(especially if on a us list of suspects,Which include 8 year olds btw).No it will not be the jackboots of communists oppressing those protesters. but they will be jack boots Mon 25 Aug 2008 15:29:38 GMT+1 DougTexan Thank you all, it makes me smile as I feel I've gotten to 'know' alot of you over the past six months or so, I am also proud of that association as well. Thank you again for your thoughts and prayers for my family and others.Doug Mon 25 Aug 2008 15:27:43 GMT+1 lawchicago magickerin With a union movement in the US at the lowest membership since unions we allowed ,isnt it getting old to blame the unions for the infrastructure issue in the US?Part of the real problem for many areas of the country is that the tax base has declined resulting in funding isses that speak volumes about oursourcing, and shipping jobs overseas .Gary Indiana, Detroit, New Orleans , Rockford ,Illinois , St Louis are just a few examples of cities that have lost their core tax base with loss of Industries and jobs.Reducing that American worker to third world pay and benefits ( which seem the trend )will not improve the crumbling roads , antiquated bridges or out of date public facilities While we ( The U.S) spend masive amounts of monies we dont have with the boondoggle in Iraq and our naitonal debt horrendously out of control ,its no wonder as Jason said ,things dont work very well. Mon 25 Aug 2008 15:26:19 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Ignorance as a virtue?Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignoranceConfuciusIgnorance is a voluntary misfortune Nicholas Ling;-)ed Mon 25 Aug 2008 15:20:59 GMT+1 allmymarbles 65, Xie.Someone I knew served with Kennedy during the war. He said JFK was a drunk. Well, that fits the family pattern, doesn't it? Mon 25 Aug 2008 15:19:40 GMT+1