Comments for en-gb 30 Thu 05 Mar 2015 02:50:39 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at dejapa Looking on from outside of America at the whole long-winded election process, I have had plenty of time to observe the important things. Namely, the things that will remain part-and-parcel of "Americana" long after people get used to actually sayng "President Obama," and actually seeing a black man look up in inquiry.To highlight what I consider to be at the top of this list, let me start with the ingrained American concept of "MISOGYNY AS -SOCIO-FAMILIAL CULTURE." A concept within which America's women fight - viciously and largely amongst their own pathetic selves, to outdo each other as "Mom," and "Wife" and "Lover." One example of this cultural more, is identifiable in a television ad for a Woman's Health Supplement , whereby a mature looking woman smiles mawkishly into the camera, and mouths absolutely amazing nonesense about: " the kids have all grown and gone away, perhaps it's time to take more care of myself...?!?" Can you BELIEVE this type of mealy-mouth, self-abnegating spiel from a mature, ostensibly non-retarded adult Woman? What is most stunning of all, is the fact that the Advertiser, as well as the Mother-type model...and most sickening of all, the expected viewing Audience....SMUGLY EXPECTS to be "treated" to this sort of diatribe by "their" American WOMEN! C'mon, Yanks; you - nor certainly I, never hear a SIMILAR thing from American MEN! Are American FATHERS the familial Villains of the Family Piece? Are they NOT expected to display comparable levels of family-WORSHIP? Hell, no; as we ALL know.American MEN, now I mention it, are too busy in the American sexist Advertising World, verbally-negotiating the potentially humiliating territory of the Curse of ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION..which must NOT be said out loud as it might place a TOO PAINFULLY REALISTIC spin on American Men's "fantasy cocoon!"...), thru' assigning the fastidiously verbally-dignified acronym of "E.D!" And similarly solemning-up this whole laughable affliction via visual assignments of serene, family-type little advertising scenarios, that go so FAR out of their way to appear as FAR FROM SEXUAL as HUMANLY POSSIBLE, as to cause great convulsions of mirth! Pure farce, Americans!Keep the National LAUGH TRACK comin;! Fri 22 Aug 2008 14:07:33 GMT+1 allmymarbles 59, Gary.Probably the most powerful person is Obama himself. He is clever not to flaunt it. Fri 22 Aug 2008 02:16:11 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill SmirkMorgan (#55), it may or may not be too strong a word, depending on what was actually said and done behind the scenes.Pelosi did say that the Democratic Party would choose a candidate by the time the primaries ended, and she got her way. She usually does, as she is the most powerful person in the party today. Thu 21 Aug 2008 15:44:34 GMT+1 allmymarbles 57, Ed.It didn't take her long to get out the knife, did it? Thu 21 Aug 2008 04:00:06 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart Local Clinton backers, McCain adviser meet"A brother of New York Sen. Hillary Clinton and local Democrats who backed her unsuccessful presidential campaign socialized privately Monday with a top surrogate of the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain.The private gathering featured Carly Fiorina, Mr. McCain’s top economic adviser, and took place at the Dunmore home of political consultant Jamie Brazil, a longtime friend of Mrs. Clinton’s family who has signed on as paid national director of Mr. McCain’s Citizens for McCain Coalition."Of course, it was a purely social occasion, I'm sure....;-)ed Thu 21 Aug 2008 00:55:18 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart "McCain minimizes his POW and War experience"Yeah! Right!;-)ed Wed 20 Aug 2008 23:17:41 GMT+1 SmirkMorgan To Gary_A_Hill (#48)Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid were not shy about pressuring the superdelegates to come out for Obama--even though he wasn't going to have requisite number of pledged delegates and there were still some primaries to go. Perhaps "strong arm" is too harsh a description. I freely admit that the Party was in a no-win situation--and I don't think they made the wrong decision. I just think it's unfair to dismiss these women and their concerns. Wed 20 Aug 2008 23:07:08 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart "McCain minimizes his POW and War experience"LOL! Wed 20 Aug 2008 22:33:57 GMT+1 aquarizonagal #51MagickirinVote for McCain if you choose. You are, after all, in that voting booth by yourself and no one can tell you how to vote. Isn't our freedom grand! You have your opinions and I have mine. Let us respect one another. I believe that we both want the best for our country. Wed 20 Aug 2008 20:24:50 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill MagicKinn (#51), Obama has no record? Actually, he has some Aretha, Nina Simone, and others: Wed 20 Aug 2008 20:10:19 GMT+1 MagicKirin ref #49In response Aquagirl to your points1. You may be right about his age, but I'll trade that over Obama's inexperience and naivtie2. Obama has no record3. McCain minimizes his POW and War experience unlike say John Kerry4. He is now a warmonger but does feel it is better to confront the problem rather than follow the Carter stratedgy of appeasement5. And Obama isn't? Wed 20 Aug 2008 19:31:39 GMT+1 Suzanne B This post has been Removed Wed 20 Aug 2008 18:50:26 GMT+1 aquarizonagal In response to #20DougtexanI think I may be 'militant' and perhaps I am also 'stupid' but I would not vote for McCain if he were the only person running!It is just not a matter of "women's issues" to me. There are human issues that matter to me more. First, the man is just too old! (I am older than him so I don't want to be slammed for 'ageism.' I am a realist who recognizes the limits that accompany aging.) Second, his record in Senate has been far from exemplary and believe it, there are many in this state who do not 'revere' him. He is not 'our native son,' after all. Third, he has traded on his military service and status as a POW to an extreme degree. Not all military and veterans are so much for him as the press would like you to see. When he appears to these groups, They cheer and honor his service and the flag of our country but not necessarily the MAN, himself. Talk personally to some of our returning troops, those who will never walk or hug their loved ones without a prosthetic, or to families who have lost someone to this useless war. They can tell you how he voted or failed to vote for adequate body armor and supplies or for services for returning vets.Fourth, he is also a warmonger, who does not understand that aggression is not always the answer to every challenge. At this time, I feel we need a peacemaker, someone who will at least listen and have some empathy for the needs, culture and fears of other countries.Fifth, I think he might be willing to do ANYTHING for his chance at the office that he feels cheated from during the primary of 2000. That he toadied to the Bush bunch for the past eight years in order to get his 'chance' is unconscionable for one who has been considered a "maverick." (My definition of that word, by the way, is a motherless calf!)I guess I am militant, after all.! Wed 20 Aug 2008 17:44:48 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill SmirkMorgan (#45), what "strong-arm tactics, specifically? Wed 20 Aug 2008 17:33:17 GMT+1 SunshinePlus Postscript:Make no mistake.In the Clinton duo,it is Bill who is running for a third term with his tight relationship with Daddy Bush. No one going to the White House is going to talk to Hillary if Bill is in residence. That is why Bill was so petulant when Hillary lost the primaries. . . It all has to do with Bill and the promises to be kept to their backers. The democratic convention is playing right into their hands. the hands that have not supported Obama properly so far. Wed 20 Aug 2008 16:51:16 GMT+1 jacksforge majik you agree more with the hate monger lieberman , mc cain, the rest of the US press ,the president,fox and all it's satilites, Wed 20 Aug 2008 16:45:35 GMT+1 SmirkMorgan Has it not occurred to anybody that these women may have deeper issues than merely being in a snit? In their view, the treatment of the viable woman candidate by party leadership was appalling. I think they have legitimate concerns about the implications of the primary season and what impact it could have on the future political status of women. In it's quest to resolve the nomination before the Convention the Democratic Party steamrolled over a large segment of its membership. Senator Obama, even if he wins this election, will eventually go away. Will the blatant misogyny displayed by the Democratic Party and some members of the media join him? The behavior and attitudes of the Democratic party will not change UNLESS its members are able to express their disapproval. The most powerful weapon these women have is their vote. Sometimes that costs the Party an election, but drastic measures are sometimes necessary. Regardless of which candidate is elected, the women of the United States will still have abortion rights. Obama in the White House does not mean that the pernicious restrictions that have cropped up over the past two decades will disappear. McCain in the White House (for his likely one-term) does not mean that women will be forced into coat-hanger operations. No, I am not a disgruntled HRC supporter (I voted for Obama in the primary), but I did observe the strong-arm tactics that took place through the month of May and I really didn't like what I saw. Will it keep me from voting for Obama? Probably not, but it is one of the factors that I will be weighing along with my assessments of the candidates' relative abilities, personalities and positions. I can't fault a group of women who have been party loyalists all their lives if they give that factor more weight than I do. Wed 20 Aug 2008 16:39:39 GMT+1 SunshinePlus Hillary clearly is not my choice for many reasons that have to do with voting with the war minded Bush administration and not doing her own research, etc. but taking the then Republican road to the Iraq disaster. . she is an opportunist who manipulates to get her way. Example: tears and "shame on you Obama" and the Michigan and Florida vote debacle. None of this has to do with her being a woman. She simply is not up to the job.. . . Wed 20 Aug 2008 16:03:00 GMT+1 MagicKirin ref #42So say the hate monger of the Daily Kos, MSNBC and Move on org Wed 20 Aug 2008 16:01:29 GMT+1 jacksforge 36 lieberman is only well respected by those that chose to remain ignorant about his desire to start more wars.but then you are a little bias right,no harm I'm bias, I hate him. Wed 20 Aug 2008 15:32:31 GMT+1 jacksforge some talk of selfish american, self absorbed americans , americas being self obsessed.this group of americans are well represented in Hillary.And that is what the rest of the (insignificant) world will think if they see this deranged alcoholic get nominated at this stage. Wed 20 Aug 2008 15:30:50 GMT+1 jacksforge 37like wise but the other way round as you might have guessed from the above letter.She has proven a total selfishness from day one till now. Wed 20 Aug 2008 15:28:13 GMT+1 jacksforge hi DC wondering if you were gone.good to argue with you again.Hillary?I know there are better cantidates out there than her.Did she divorce Bill yet?After all he and she said they would help obama, get behind. But they have turned around and worked for the GOP.(Bill especially). I have already heard people talking about Nader as a protest If the she gets on the ticket.And they are all women.the men just curse.welcome back.Hope the hols were good.sorry you did not get infected with some of that eurobama virus that was going around (according to the press here) Wed 20 Aug 2008 15:26:17 GMT+1 neil_a2 Ref #33 EdClassic! Wed 20 Aug 2008 14:56:53 GMT+1 akinmusuru It is not Hillary's women alone that feel scorned. Polls show that between a quarter and a third of Hillary supporters are not on board to supporting the Democratic candadate. (By the way, most of those young college students Obama is banking on will not vote in November because many won't remember to change their addresses or to apply for absentee ballots while they are in college away from home.)Obama needs to decide in the next few days how much he wants the presidency. It would do him good to learn from the history of his party. In 1960, Johnson lost to Kennedy in the primaries but his choice as VP by Kennedy ensured a winning ticket by bringing the Johnson constituency aboard. In 2000, in what should have been a sure victory, Gore is reported to have allowed his personal feelings about Clinton's amorous White House indiscretions get in the way of his decision about letting Bill campaign for him. In his private moments, he still probably still wonders what might have been.If he wants the presidency badly enough, and if he wants to capture all the Democratic votes, Obama should have Hillary on his ticket as VP ......... or this voter (and many of his friends) will NOT vote Democratic in November. Wed 20 Aug 2008 14:52:28 GMT+1 MagicKirin ref #23Don't associates the Soros wing of the Democratic party with all democrats Libermann is well respected by the moderates and conservatives.In regrad to NE I agree with you with the possible exception of NH. McCain always does well there. Wed 20 Aug 2008 14:45:08 GMT+1 MagicKirin ref #34First Obama is multi ethnic. Remember Jessie Jackson ealier on brought up race when he questioned if Obama is black enough.Second do not underestimat the fanaticism of some of these Hillary supporters. Wed 20 Aug 2008 13:47:51 GMT+1 chewbacca I wonder if Obama was white. Would we be talking about this? No.I think this issue has serious racial undertones. This country is more racist than we are willing to admit and I believe many of these people are subconsciously uneasy about a black man running for president. The media here has drilled our fear of the black man in every single news report since the year dot.Does this sound familiar? "Tonight police are looking for a black man in the city who is the suspect of a murder in Manhattan."Years of this has been so ingrained in peoples heads that when they think of a black man this is one of the first things they think of. If Obama was white these women would get over it. All that McCain has to do is to tap into this fear of the black man without being racist. All he wants them to think is "I don't think I can trust this Obama fella." Wed 20 Aug 2008 13:30:53 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart David,Welcome back. Sorry to note you're still head-over-heels in love with HRC ;-( Please don't turn to substance abuse to soften the inevitable let-down.;-)ed Wed 20 Aug 2008 12:45:28 GMT+1 allmymarbles 26, David.You are right. I can't stand either of the Clintons. We don't need any more corruption. Wed 20 Aug 2008 12:28:19 GMT+1 allmymarbles 15, Tuscon.For Hillary the convention is the kiss-off. She is done. Wed 20 Aug 2008 12:26:06 GMT+1 Candace9839 Hillary Clinton and her ilk need to get over themselves. As Obama pointed out in the religious forum, he turned his life around once he realised it was not all about him. The world has enough martyrs, they need to pull up their socks and just get on with it. We have some real problems that need addressed, and have no time for their huge egos. Wed 20 Aug 2008 11:50:12 GMT+1 MagicKirin ref #15It will definitly make it worth watching.Ironicly the culprit for all of the hurt feeling, MSNBC was a big Clinton supporter two years ago.The fact that the Democrats gave this extremly biased TV version of Air America legimitacy is thier own fault. Wed 20 Aug 2008 11:23:41 GMT+1 allmymarbles 26, David.By 2012 Clinton will be yesterday's news. For the same reason Gore will not be Obama's running mate. Wed 20 Aug 2008 11:15:04 GMT+1 Orpheus1 I love your blog Justin but i do think you let youself down on this one. I prefer Obama myself, but i think your caricature of McCain - and the people who vote for him - is unfair, against the wider spirit of your postings, and denotes the kind of political thinking we're all trying to get beyond. Wed 20 Aug 2008 07:57:58 GMT+1 David Cunard #25. allmymarbles: "McCain desperately wanted (Mrs Clinton) to be the democratic nominee." Those of us who have read your posts over the last several months know that you have no time for the Clintons. If, without her, Mr Obama does not win, Mrs Clinton will already be set up for the next election should she care to run. If he really is smart, he would tap into her undoubted abilities and core voters and announce her when the nomination process is concluded. Mr Obama may not have "a shady past", but think of what the Republicans are going to do with the Rev Wrights of his past; those issues have faded from memory for the time being but, come September, they will be be revived. As it is, his lead has been cut in half. Wed 20 Aug 2008 06:18:33 GMT+1 allmymarbles 24, David.You say that Obama will be doomed if he does not choose Clinton as his running mate. You seem to be forgetting that McCain desperately wanted her to be the democratic nominee. Now why should that be?Could it have anything to do with the Clinton scandals or Bubba being an influence peddler for foreign governments? Think of the fun the republicans would have with that!Obama does not have a shady past so he is not as much fun. The best McCain can do with him is smear him, or tie labels on him.Obama was way too smart to choose her. If he had made that mistake then Bubba would have once again been in the White House and he and his missus would have done everything they could to disparage Obama and set her up for the next election. Wed 20 Aug 2008 05:18:21 GMT+1 David Cunard #21. DougTexan - Thanks for the welcome back. The holiday was interesting as far as American news was concerned, there was very little in the English-language papers, even less about the election. The Olympics seems to have dominated everything except, in the last ten days or so, Georgia and Russia. In the byways of Croatia (etc) internet cafes were not apparent and I made little effort to keep abreast of the BBC and Justin's blog; a holiday includes time away from the keyboard!#23. allmymarbles: "Clinton as a running mate would doom Obama." On the contrary, Obama will be doomed if he does not choose her. Nearly 18 million voters could sit this one out or vote for his opponent if she is not on the ticket. Wed 20 Aug 2008 03:50:43 GMT+1 allmymarbles 19, Dominick.Yes, Clinton as a running mate would doom Obama. McCain has been saving his ammo for her. To bad. Now it will be consigned tothe closet.As to Lieberman, the weasel, as VP, no way. Most democrats hate him so McCain could not expect cross-over votes.20, Doug.The only reason you think Obama has no chance is that you are in Texas. I am in the northeast. He will get all of New England, plus the mid-Atlantic states, Delaware, Maryland and DC. He will get the west coast states and most of the north midwest. About about the rest of the country I have no idea. I know he won't get Texas. Wed 20 Aug 2008 02:45:47 GMT+1 allmymarbles 10, Timothy.Your use of the word "cult" in reference to our support of Obama is an attempt on your par to discredit us. It is one of those facile propaganda labels used to create a negative emotional response. Wed 20 Aug 2008 01:22:42 GMT+1 DougTexan #12 justupid Dude, if the shoe fits...."Any thinking individual knows that the cause of women -- or anyone other than a white male -- will be set back with McCain in the White House. The GOP thinks women are stupid."Some things are posted that every one just passes on. I picked one of three points, and not one of them is viable or correct. Thought I was done, but here is another example the derisive nature of the 'trained monkey' aspect of the DNC. The sad part is, this monkey will vote!D_C, glad to see you back. Did you have an inspiring holiday? "No computer acess", here that means jail or 'moms in-laws" house. :)bueno por taco Wed 20 Aug 2008 01:21:30 GMT+1 DougTexan "I have to add that I hope these disaffected women are in a minority. Maybe they should write in 'Jesus.' Together with the Evangelical Christians they could elect a president who just might really give them "Change."Though, I really doubt either group would actually like that version of change. Never underestimate the stupidity of the truly militant."AAG #6Wow, who is writing under AAG's name, because this posting sounds Militant! I for one would never think of AAG as a bigot or close minded. She always seemed level headed,.... high class persona with a feel for those less,.. oh, whats the word,.. affected... democrats. Serious though as it seems, BhO has little to no chance, and the new agendas Hillary means nothing and will not help nor hurt at all."The New Agenda's agenda is to look out for women's political interests where the Democratic Party and old-line feminist organizations had failed. (They failed? Whew, burning the bra por nada)The attendees reserved special fury for the Democratic National Committee and its passivity before the misogynistic carnival."Froma Harrop (guess her political slant)Did any of you get that last line, '..and its passivity before the (definition) hatred of women carnival.' I can only surmise by this that the DNC has pissed off a bunch of (pun intended) bleeding hearts!! And by using the word 'carnival' they're enjoying it!How about the Unity in the party line? Since when is a womens agenda so different from a mans? Ah, unity by division, only in the democratic party does one plus one equal more taxes, and the human race is not only varied by color, but by sex as well. Political harranging for the sake of votes, not for posterity.Pride before beauty, and this ones a beauty!L8r0n Wed 20 Aug 2008 01:05:33 GMT+1 SaintDominick Ref 11Seeing a black pro-choice Democratic candidate is unacceptable to most Republicans, but choosing Hillary Clinton as a running mate would truly energize the Republican base, and most conservative Independents and Democrats, to the point that Obama's candidacy would be doomed.Regardless of how unfair and unjustified Hiollary's negatives may be, she remains the most polarizing figure in American politics.There are plenty of highly qualified and experienced choices for the Dem VP spot including Gore, Nunn, Biden, Kaine, Bayh, Sebelius, Napolitano and others that would be an asset to the Democratic ticket.On the Republican side I believe the Tom Ridge rumor is just a smoke screen, McCain is not about to commit political suicide by choosing a pro-choice liberal Republican. However, I would not discount Lieberman, who is pro-choice but is a conservative with a proven track record. Most importantly, Joe would take votes - and funding - away from Obama. However, Romney, Huckabee and Lindsay should not be discounted. Wed 20 Aug 2008 00:57:43 GMT+1 AnyPenny The thought that a group of adults might vote for a candidate solely out of spite, ignoring the vast ideological differences between that candidate and their preferred candidate and the potential consequences of that candidate's win, makes me want to vomit.What a stupid thing to do. Who's it going to hurt? Wed 20 Aug 2008 00:46:52 GMT+1 gunsandreligion #10, TimothyR, if Hillary wouldn't let you ride onher airplane, you wouldn't like her very much either! Wed 20 Aug 2008 00:09:59 GMT+1 allmymarbles Magic and staphylococcus aureus.Where are you? We have no one to fight with. Tue 19 Aug 2008 23:57:55 GMT+1 tucsonmike If Hillary supporters are that sore, they do not understand nor care about the nature of politics (The Art of the Possible). The Clintons themselves need to be careful to not be labeled as sore losers. This is what should make the Democratic Convention entertaining viewing. Tue 19 Aug 2008 23:55:26 GMT+1 allmymarbles I frankly don't believe that there are that many women who fanatically support Clinton. Nonetheless, it is all the attention they are getting that reinforces their position. Isn't it wonderful to be wooed. If Obama had any sense he would forget about them and the evangelicals. The latter he won't get anyway. He is wasting his time on them and annoying his core supporters.If the media shut up about them they would resign themselves to the inevitable. I can not see liberal women voting for McCain. They care about abortion rights, as do so many republican women secretly. I wonder how many staunch evangelical women have had abortions. Tue 19 Aug 2008 23:54:02 GMT+1 SaintDominick Hopefully Hillary and her supporters will put pragmatism and common sense ahead of emotion. In addition to the economic and fiscal calamities that are ruining our country, the Iraq crusade, and the erosion of civil liberties, women may very well be the most affected by a McCain win. As many as three Justices are considering retirement within the next four years. One more ultra-conservative Justice in the Supreme Court will be enough to overturn Roe Vs Wade and much of the civil rights legislation passed during the past five or six decades. Tue 19 Aug 2008 23:44:01 GMT+1 justcorbly Some questions:1. Doesn't everyone know that Obama has never engaged in any demeaning behaivior toward Clinton? People who vote for McCain because Chris Matthews or some other media figure is a jerk are both wrong and worthy of what they will get if Obama loses.2. Obama is daily subject to racists slurs across the board, yet his supporters behave on ay and many Clinton supporters behave another.3. Any thinking individual knows that the cause of women -- or anyone other than a white male -- will be set back with McCain in the White House. The GOP thinks women are stupid. Tue 19 Aug 2008 23:32:44 GMT+1 David Cunard Having been away (in Europe) for a month and without computer access, it doesn't appear to me that the opinions aired here have changed in the least! However, when I departed, Mr Obama was said to be nominating his co-runner imminently and yet it still hasn't been revealed. Since Mrs Clinton's name is now to be placed in nomination and a roll-call of the states to be taken, isn't it just possible that the result will be so close that a second ballot might eventuate? Should that happen then anyone other than she would simply not be acceptable as a vice-presidential choice - in which case, the angry ladies might be soothed. Of course, a third ballot might have a totally unexpected result! I do not beleive that Mr Obama will finalise his choice until the very last moment, that is, when he is assured of the Nomination. In any case, no Hillary, no victory. Tue 19 Aug 2008 23:25:15 GMT+1 TimothyR444 This is just a politically correct diatribe. Here in the US we are buried in an avalanche of this trendy rubbish. Evil white men? Evil opponents of abortion? Evil McCain?We get more than enough of this rancid junk from our own media.You are so obsessed with promoting and praising and worshiping Obama that you seem like the member of a cult. Tue 19 Aug 2008 22:40:18 GMT+1 gunsandreligion I'm waiting for the first non-white hermaphroditic candidate to be nominated. Clearly, this is an underrepresented group, and could bring the country together, in a way that no one else could. Tue 19 Aug 2008 22:33:55 GMT+1 vagueofgodalming The key word is 'wealthy'. They just disguise the fact that a right wing president is in their selfish interest once they get past a certain level. Tue 19 Aug 2008 22:30:41 GMT+1 mary gravitt Hillary fanatics should get real. Obama did not sabatage Hillarry. She lost because her strategy was wrong. She went for the big states when the little states carried the day. She started out timid depending on Bill Clinton too much. By the time she found her own voice, it was too late.Now if the women and men who enshine Hillary don't want to vote for Obama, fine. I hope that he will not need your votes. But think about what you are about to do. You are about to reelect, by not even voting, the third George W. Bush administration.John McCain, unlike the Hillarynac, has found his element with the revival of the Cold War. He sees that the loss of Vietnam can be avenged. He missed most of the war by sitting it out in a prisoner of war camp, therefore he feel a failure regardless of his reputation as War Hero. Now that Russia is back in play, he calls Shaksiivili nightly to promise him swift victory in the near future as soon as the US flattens Iraq and invades Iran. Check this out on the web.This does not mean that McCain will not make an excellent president. I have still place all my bets on 2012 and the Hillarynac might be correct to be angry that she lost. Who knows. Tue 19 Aug 2008 22:03:24 GMT+1 aquarizonagal I have to add that I hope these disaffected women are in a minority. Maybe they should write in 'Jesus.' Together with the Evangelical Christians they could elect a president who just might really give them "Change."Though, I really doubt either group would actually like that version of change. Never underestimate the stupidity of the truly militant.To all good rational people out there: Please vote and vote often! Tue 19 Aug 2008 22:02:33 GMT+1 aquarizonagal Justin Webb,I am an "older" woman, a very older woman and I would not for McCain under any circumstances!Can I ask how far stupidity must migrate in this country? What are people thinking? I guess many may not think. I know my days are limited but I do have children, grandchildren and greats who will have to live here. Tue 19 Aug 2008 21:55:51 GMT+1 allmymarbles I don't know what all this "disrepect" is about, because I don't remember any. What I do remember is Clinton's underhanded attacks on Obama.Speaking as a born Manhattanite, I don't put much credence in the power of this small group of sexist women. (Yes, supporting a female candidate just because she is female is sexist.) Manhattan will go for Obama hands down. Tue 19 Aug 2008 21:46:05 GMT+1 SaintDominick Americans have historically accepted the results of our elections and we live with them until the next election when we once again have an opportunity to vote for the candidate that best represents our values and objectives. It is not unusual, however, for a member of a party to vote for the nominee of another party because his/her ideas and values are more in line with theirs, but voting for a person that does not represent your values and interests simply because you resent the fact that your candidate lost during the primaries doesn't say much about the intellect, character, or common sense of the alleged "ladies". Tue 19 Aug 2008 21:45:44 GMT+1 CharlieSiena Nor that he has such a temper that he might nuke South Ossetia. ---------------Oh come on. At least be realistic if you are going to accuse McCain of something. Tue 19 Aug 2008 21:45:32 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill If the women of this generation (baby boomers) are the cause of Obama's defeat, they will get what they deserve. Fortunately, post-feminist women are more level-headed, so the phenomenon won't last. Tue 19 Aug 2008 21:38:01 GMT+1