Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html en-gb 30 Sun 25 Jan 2015 14:57:38 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html dennisjunior1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=98#comment52 Justin:Republicans voted for Hillary because, they did not want to see Barack get the nomination that easy or quickly....~Dennis Junior~ Fri 26 Dec 2008 03:08:12 GMT+1 microsoft2123 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=96#comment51 "You are right in asserting that the Clinton administration was far more personally sleazy/corrupt/generally dodgy than dubya's (though I, for one, REALLy can't get het up over a blowjob, a silly young girl intern, and a stain on a dress)"There were a heck of alot more corruption issues than that one. there was the matter of soliciting campaign funds from illegal sources, drug dealers, tyhe chinese government, cover ups, mysterious deaths and suicides, obstructions of justice, selling out access for cash, etc. It seemed that he bent over backwards for the chinese in giving them top secret technology."The acid test of any govt, anywhere is: "did you leave the State over which you ruled in a better or worse state than which you found it in?" By that yardstick, Clinton is a (qualified) success, Bush a disaster. On all fronts; foreign policy (Iraq/Afghanistan - 2 pointless, unwinnable wars),"Iraq and Afghanistan are both success stories. "home security (caught napping by 9/11),"Was not "napping". "the economy, the environment"Definitely in better shape than when Clinton left it. The average unemploymenty rate for the clinton years? 5.4. The average (so far) for the bush years? 5.0...I for one would rather be led to a modicum of unthreatened prosperity by a sleazeball, than to disaster Tue 08 Jul 2008 20:20:41 GMT+1 ynda20 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=94#comment50 No50daniebordo Why "God Bless America"? Why not god bless all peace loving people? Why only America? Your other stuff is all supposition too. Don't even go there with "9/11 terrorists" - what proof have you that there were any terrorists involved except for what te politicans said on the day and a fake evidence: passports surviving the WTC crash and dodgey left luggage: it all looks planted to me! There is no scientific evidence at all which could stand up at all.I think you should start considering "God bless legal elections". The painstaking research on the 2004 election shows that Bush stole that election as well as the 2000!Look at this webpage and the plea for sound elections: ballots counted by people in public view. It's the only way that Democracy can survive!http://www.witnesstoacrime.com/recommendation.htm Tue 13 May 2008 11:58:52 GMT+1 daniebordo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=92#comment49 Streathamite in Milano! As the White House China and Furniture was being loaded up by the Clintons to some warehouse, and Bill busily contacting Federal Prisons to get his sleazy friend's friends out, Fed. Records of law breakers being shreaded and Archives Records stuffed into suit pants, the terrorists of 9/11 were busy finalizing their plans and planes. Bush's seat in the Oval Office wasn't even warm yet when they arrived to execute their slaughter of our loved ones who 'yes, had been left so much safer and better off with the previous American Leader". Think clearly before you make these statements. No, we'll certainly not make much over the blue dress with semen, but my dead relative's acid test that day was a big negative. Bill Clinton may have made new found friends overseas, but not many here in USA. You see, we were not better off after his Presidency at all. He opened up a can of worms with the gay issue, pushed to have abortions legal for any reason, [when abortion was a federal crime 60 years ago]. You see , he is and was a sleazeball. And a theif[ Down the line you will see that our 'kluts' was one of God's Greatest 'Gifts to our Country and our Children. We must always remember that God is in charge so my prayer is "GOD BLESS AMERICA.' Thu 08 May 2008 05:38:33 GMT+1 Streathamite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=90#comment48 microsoft2123; You are right in asserting that the Clinton administration was far more personally sleazy/corrupt/generally dodgy than dubya's (though I, for one, REALLy can't get het up over a blowjob, a silly young girl intern, and a stain on a dress) - but that is to miss the point, spectacularly so.The acid test of any govt, anywhere is: "did you leave the State over which you ruled in a better or worse state than which you found it in?" By that yardstick, Clinton is a (qualified) success, Bush a disaster. On all fronts; foreign policy (Iraq/Afghanistan - 2 pointless, unwinnable wars), home security (caught napping by 9/11), the economy, the environment...I for one would rather be led to a modicum of unthreatened prosperity by a sleazeball, than to disaster by an ignorant klutz, however personally uncorrupt he is. Wed 07 May 2008 16:25:14 GMT+1 microsoft2123 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=88#comment47 "What more corrupt than the current Bush Administration? I'm no Clinton supporter but Bill's term looks positively benign in comparison to GWB."Benign in comparison to the Clinton administration? That's a bunch of nonsense. The Bush administration is not corrupted, much less the most corrupted in American history. That distinction belongs to the Clinton administration. I once did an internet search on scandals regarding both Administrations. The people who list the Clinton scandals cite many, many violations of the laws and unethical behavior. Way too many to be listed here. Those who make up the lists of Bush scandals cite his support of legislation that his critics oppose and cite legislation his opposition to legislation that they support ("how dare he veto the stem cell bill. how dare he not support Kyoto! Thats scandalous!"). Or problems that have pre-dated his administration (Walter Reed) or violations of the law by others that have pre-dated his administration (Enron) and which he has nothing to do with. Or just outright made up lies, some of which sound like something only a paranoid conspiracy theorist would come up with. It seems that Bush's critics think that if he opposes something they favor, or favor something they oppose, that in itself is a scandal when Bush is perfectly well within his legal and constitutional rights to do so.In short, the scandals of the Clinton administration stems from actual lawlessness and unethical behavior. The "scandals" of the Bush administration seems to be mostly made up of having the temerity to oppose what the left wants legislatively, or "scandals" that have nothing to do with his Administration, or are just outright made up lies. Wed 07 May 2008 14:03:50 GMT+1 WimbledonWombler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=86#comment46 The sad fact is that neither Obama nor "Billary" will make it in the fall anyway. The repercussions of either candidate getting in would be far too great. The reality is that John McCain will ultimately win. i'd be willing to bet at least 20 quid on it! Wed 07 May 2008 13:18:38 GMT+1 ynda20 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=84#comment45 No45: "...corruption, the Clinton White House was the most corrupt in American history"What more corrupt than the current Bush Administration? I'm no Clinton supporter but Bill's term looks positively benign in comparison to GWB. Wed 07 May 2008 08:09:07 GMT+1 microsoft2123 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=83#comment44 We hear these same phony stories every single election cycle. Always someone claiming to be a “life long Republican” who now says to be switching parties. 98% of the time these “Life Long Republicans” turn out to be nothing of the sort.Various left of center activist groups, like Moveon.org, hold seminars on PR tactics. This is one of the things they teach their stooges to say. It supposedly gives them greater credibility.The fact that the BBC, and other “News” organizations continue to push these transparent PR stooges means one of two things:Either the so called “Journalists” dont have the smarts to fact check their sources OR they are knowingly helping extremist leftist groups push their Agitprop. In either case they demonstrate they cannot be considered serious sources for information any longer.The fact that Darlene Boatman cites the reasons for her support of Hillary Clinton is a dead giveaway. She claims that Hillary is willing to take on Washington bureaucracy and government corruption. When Hillary was in the White house, and later the Senate, she was a big proponent of government bureaucracy. In fact, all the legislation she ever supported favored bigger government. And as for corruption, the Clinton White House was the most corrupt in American history. Every other day was a new scandal. Now Miss Boatman is citing her as an example that stands up to corruption in government? I'm not buying it. In another interview (not with the BBC), she claims that she supports Hillay clinton over John McCain because "Much as I like John McCain as a war hero, I am fearful he does not have the depth of experience to fix the economy"Looking at both records of Clinton and McCain shows that McCain has plenty of experience, plenty of depth, a thousand times more than Clinton ever had. Again, not buying Miss Boatman's story. Wed 07 May 2008 05:14:08 GMT+1 dennisjunior1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=81#comment43 Justin:Good for you to talk to a Bush Supporter who is supporting Hillary Clinton.... Wed 07 May 2008 04:54:08 GMT+1 Richard Ralph Roehl http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=79#comment42 This post has been Removed Wed 07 May 2008 02:05:21 GMT+1 proles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=77#comment41 What a great idea! If all Republicans were to emigrate it would probably go a long way toward solving many of America's most pressing problems. And they can take alot of like-minded Dem's with them - starting with that vicious "little woman". Course we hate to sic them on an unprepared world but perhaps a grateful world can find a way to welcome these new, starving American emigres with the sympathy they deserve and find some way to repay these Republi-crat refugees for all the beneficence they've spread throughout their altruistic empire. Maybe these new American pilgrims should set sail for Iraq, where darling Hillary can show her great "guts" by facing up to the fire just like she so courageously did in Kosovo. No dout there are many in Iraq that are quite "smitten" with humanitarian Hillary, as well. Those long-suffering victims of hateful Hillary's deadly foreign policy choices - starting with her hubby's genocidal embargo and continuing through her support for Dubya's illegal invasion - those Iraqis that have somehow managed to survive all that because of their literal "sheer bloody minded refusal to die" must be looking at the Clinton phenomenon and thinking "wow", too - albeit for very different sorts of reasons. Wow, what kind of a nation is it that could elect such a cold "bloody minded" killer to be commandress-in-chief? Tue 06 May 2008 18:06:04 GMT+1 ronaine http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=75#comment40 Oooh, and now I have managed to get the Darlene interview to roll...Her thinking seems a little confused. An ex-women's libber voting for President Bush? I wonder if she voted for President Clinton... and her war confusion has already been mentioned. But there you go, that's the electorate.I can't help wondering what her sons think... Tue 06 May 2008 17:21:41 GMT+1 indiepolitico http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=73#comment39 Justin after viewing your video conversation I can't help but be troubled by one aspect of Darlene's comments.She seems to confuse the war in Iraq with the "war on terror". Most support for the war in Iraq seems to have been exhausted, and U.S. efforts in Iraq are by and large a one nation effort. The "war on terror" however is supported by numerous nations and nobody is talking about suspending those efforts. McCain, Clinton and Obama have pledged to be tough on terror so there seems to be no foundation for her assertion. It's hard for me to fathom how Darlene confuses these two points.I wonder how many people confuse these two efforts. Tue 06 May 2008 16:07:41 GMT+1 youngDevilsAdvocate http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=71#comment38 Didn't Senator Clinton say "this is not a country of Blue states or Red States. We are the United States of America!!" - oops that was another one stolen from Senetor Obama or another "mis speak" Tue 06 May 2008 16:03:24 GMT+1 DaniTX http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=69#comment37 i wish people would stop with the over the top commentary...the US is a wonderful place to be...but we do have major issues to deal with....(and people here are desperately trying - as evidenced by these blogs) - talk to anyone (at least 3/4) and you'll see an eagerness for positive change. we of course have our problems (like many other countries) and 75% of us can't wait for a change in our president....but these are problems that other countries face daily, but our problems are always plastered on world news sites....it's getting a bit tiring...(Spain is having a major economic crisis due to a rise in housing costs relative to income increases but no one cares to discuss, the UK is facing a major credit crunch just like the US but on world forums little is mentioned of it, USB and RBS are in trouble, france and italian exporters are struggling, etc.)There are even blogs on BBC, and The Australian dedicated solely to American politics.....i vote for some privacy :)Anyway.....we need a new president (a democrat), we need to mind our own business (stop these exhausting wars that cost Americans and the world so much - but the same needs to be said to senseless, spineless terrorism -- they have an obligation as well to end their senseless exploitation of their own people but they'll never hear an american-abscessed euro utter anything against them -- Europeans are far too concerned with America 24/7 - maybe one day they'll start paying attention to china and its impact on the rest of Asia and Africa, etc.).of course we need to expand our healthcare system which is excellent for the 85% of Americans who have it (40mil don't which is roughly 15% of the population). and we need to refocus public investment back to our country and not spend so much of our tax revenue on wasteful wars....(btw in the US there is medicaid for the poor or lower income families and medicare for the elderly, and private gov't subsidized employer offered healthcare for others -- but public healthcare needs to be expanded for small business owners who's current costs are staggering and lower middle income families who's jobs don't provide it and are not qualified for medicaid -- their children however are covered under SCHIP)Otherwise....the talk of race relations, blah, blah, blah....i have friends from all walks of life....my best friend is African American (and he finds it amusing - being that he is a successful software engineer and comes from an upper middle class family), i have friends who are taiwanese, indian, turkish, i'm married to an el Salvadoran (who grew up in the UK and was called a ‘paki’ (because she had darker/tanned skin) all her life until she left!!!!), etc. you get the point. how about muslims in europe, i'm sure they're adored by everyone....europe sometimes forgets that it has conservatives too!i'm sure many people do face challenges but this constant talk about race is incomplete...after all there is a legitimate chance this year that an african american will become president....lets try that in the UK(indian for president anyone?) or Germany (maybe a turk for president?) or France (Morrocan?) or maybe an Asian-Canadian for president....or a white man in South Africa...let's give those a shot. of course i'm being over the top....i'm just trying to make a point....let's be more critical minded and not just use shoking posts to get attention on these forums. and not all african americans are the same....think of oprah, obama, bob johnson (BET), michael jordan, Arthur Ash, Jimmy Hendrix, MLK, Malcom X, etc. a small group of well known african americans who are all VERY different...there are many african americans who have prospered over the last few decades and of course there are many in need of substantial support...what do we expect....given the historic circumstance it will take many years for the population as a whole to catch up to the overall american population as far as per capita gdp (which is currently a very high 45K)...anyway...i've personally had enough of this campaign and i'm ready for change. i personally voted for hillary and would vote for obama in the main election if he's the democratic choice...it's that simple...let's move on.there is absolutely no way McCain is getting elected...let's be honest! he's going to struggle in historically republican states like NC, LA, VA, and swing states like OH, FL, etc.And why is Darlene (from the vid) wanting to leave the US? Did americans give up after the great depression or the veitnam war or the dollar crash of the 70s, the oil crisis of the 70s/80s or the stock market crash of the late eighties, or the tech bubble burst of the late 90s, etc. let's put our difficulties in the perspective of history....after all ultra liberal europe has little or need for a center-left american like myself! (or a conservative american like Darlene)...personally, i think Darlene is a proud american, she gets saddened during tough times...but leaving your country is not the answer....making a positive difference is!say NO to far left and far right politics (divisive politics)! say yes to the center-left, center, and center-right! keep an open mind.... Tue 06 May 2008 15:14:22 GMT+1 jacksforge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=67#comment36 Seems the only thing Hillary has going for her now is that the same dumb idiots that voted in Bush ,TWICE,think she is tough and experienced.Well yea sure that's true. Compared to your last dumb decision she is better.But still when her talk has started WW3 and she's looking for soldiers after one of her supported "limited attacks" goes pear shaped.Will you still love her when she has to introduce the draft.This may sound like ranting to you, but a limited attack on Iran could provoke them into attacking Iraq for which we wouldd need more troops.Unless she is going to Obliterate using nukes.But hey them US WHITE BOOMER voters love war .And us democrates will be left with no one to vote for, because on one side a war monger and the other another.Hilleary is like Blair. Where the right steel the whole other party. redefining america that only elects people who spend half thier time treatening other states.GOOD LUCK USA you'll need it Tue 06 May 2008 13:59:45 GMT+1 Cyril_Croydon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=66#comment35 Clinton has leaked internal polls again to the Drudge report.They expect to win Indiana and lose badly in N Carolina. Again, that is probably expectation spin. If they only lose by 5 in N Carolina, they will spin that as a victory.The great unknown in open primaries is the impact of Independents and Republicans. Will we see tactical voting and which way will it go? Assuming the polls are correct and she wins Indiana and he wins N Carolina, the stalemate will continue once again. Dick Morris' boxing analogy is pretty accurate. Obama's victories in February have ensured that he's so far ahead on points that he can't lose, but he's been unable to land the knockout blow. So he will have to wait for the judges (superdelegates) to hand him victory. Tue 06 May 2008 13:38:39 GMT+1 ronaine http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=64#comment34 I think for those of us around the world who hope for a better, more reasoned America to deal with - the youtube video near the bottom of the rezkowatch page (as linked to from DianneB) says it all.I realise (hopefully) that most folks in the US don't actually believe that sort of nonsense. (ie, Islam being synonymous with terrorism, Sen. Obama being a dangerous Muslim who will collude with terrorists etc.) But those kinds of ideas, along with "elite" bashing politicians (ludicrous!) and a media that asks a candidate a question such as "what would you do if Iran nuked Israel?" don't add up to much worth exporting by military force. (Has anyone queried the stupidity of the question as well as the scariness of the response?)It seems there's a still a fair old way way to go before you (and therefore we) come out of this long, dark tunnel... Tue 06 May 2008 12:09:24 GMT+1 srbrook http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=62#comment33 Hillary's currently on one of the more pathetic pander campaigns in American history. I've never seen a woman with so many accents in my life, from being a southern black preacher to a populist speaking with a twang on a Model-T in Indiana. It's been embarassing for anyone with more than a passing knowledge of politics. Unfortunately, that number is less than overwhelming. For me, it turned from mere spectacle to pure pity when- in the face of universal opposition to her "gas tax"- she sanctimoniously refused to "throw in her lot" with economists. Sounds a lot like President Bush on many issues. Tue 06 May 2008 11:25:28 GMT+1 kenmodus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=60#comment32 I'm an African from Nigeria, I love American politics because it is open and very intersting.These primaries has been the most interesting in a very long time. If you ask me, I'd tell you am a democrat... Notwithstanding, I see the two contenders for the Democratic nomination as follows:HRC: She is a core pilitician, very intelligent, could be convincing especially where the public is sympathetic or not knowledgeable about facts. She'll do everything possible to get this nomination even if it means damaging the democrats november chances in the short term today... She also has a strong leadership prescence which is exactly what is still keeping her in the race.Obama: He is straight and a good speaker, very intelligent, has a conscience and would not sell the birth right of Americans nor obscure the truth to get a nomination. He stands for the dream american people once had. He is practical, methodical and rational. In summary Obama is the Leader that will bring a positive change to the American situation. It is no longer a matter of black or white, male or female, Let the better candidate have your nomination. Tue 06 May 2008 11:18:55 GMT+1 John http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=58#comment31 Well done BBC. It is very encouraging that smart Americans are using the BBC as a source of accurate and unbiased news. I must say I enjoyed the interview with Darlene. How did you find her? She is just how I imadgine a middle class Republican supporter to be. Quite articulate but totally uninformed. She should really spend more time on the BBC website. I hope she votes Democrat this time round. Oh, and of course, tells her boys to do the same ;-) Tue 06 May 2008 10:45:34 GMT+1 midnight_rambler2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=56#comment30 I'd like to say that it's good to see Republicans finally seeing reality, but unfortunately the woman in the article supporting Clinton - like many of those posting comments - is simply another example of a completely uninformed American who is voting against their own beliefs and interests, based on personality and soundbites. Unfortunately (for me, as a Democrat) there have been many more working-class people voting Republican than the other way around (the so-called "Reagan Democrats"), so in a sense it's good to see some payback. But it's still depressing to see that people are so ignorant. Tue 06 May 2008 10:09:27 GMT+1 Reuben33g http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=54#comment29 Anyone who tells you they are going to vote for Hillary Clinton, and still claims to be a Republican is a RiNO (Republican in Name Only). Tue 06 May 2008 09:40:28 GMT+1 Streathamite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=52#comment28 • 19. At 05:11 am on 06 May 2008, ljbella wrote: Hillary, as a person who both loves and works for America and "all" Americans, has a proven track record, which goes back decades. I like Obama as a person and even as a politician. But quite frankly, the situation in which we find our nation is just to dire to trust to a good ( actually a great) person but with limited experience. Many Americans are now finding themselves in a life or death situation. Be it at home facing our health care and economic crisis. Or in hostile nations abroad facing IED's and suicide bombers. We presently have a President who has killed more Americans and wasted more national treasure than the terrorists he claims to be fighting. And a Republican presidential candidate who has nothing but more of the same in mind. We just can't afford anymore mistakes...so Hillary it must be***************but...but...in 2000 you wen for someone with proven gubernatorial experience, in a team loaded with government experience, against a bloke who'd actually run zip, and in 2004, the US went for incumbency.doesn't that strongly suggest it might be time for a major change? like, to hell with experience. Tue 06 May 2008 09:38:31 GMT+1 DianneB http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=50#comment27 It's a long road to Denver but at least in that time the truth just might come to the surface, instead of the biased media reports we are subjected to!I have followed the election from day 1 and I find Obama's campaign to be, like him, encredulous!Perhaps links from this site http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/ might help voters to see what dirty tricks Obama has used, including buying Delegates! He is nothing but corrupt, as are his "friends"...read the various links from the above link, you will see foryourself, or are court findings, along with FBI investigations allo rubbish?Regardless of the media bashings, Hillary Clinton has run a good campaign, with solid solutions that BO plagiarizes continually! As far as I'm concerned (and I'm very concerned), Hillary Clinton is the only candidate worthy of becoming the next PRESIDENT and I hope folk remeber their ID to vote, seeing as the supreme court stuck their noses in.GOOD LUCK TODAY HILLARY! Tue 06 May 2008 09:36:56 GMT+1 Streathamite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=49#comment26 • 19. At 05:11 am on 06 May 2008, ljbella wrote: Hillary, as a person who both loves and works for America and "all" Americans, has a proven track record, which goes back decades. I like Obama as a person and even as a politician. But quite frankly, the situation in which we find our nation is just to dire to trust to a good ( actually a great) person but with limited experience. Many Americans are now finding themselves in a life or death situation. Be it at home facing our health care and economic crisis. Or in hostile nations abroad facing IED's and suicide bombers. We presently have a President who has killed more Americans and wasted more national treasure than the terrorists he claims to be fighting. And a Republican presidential candidate who has nothing but more of the same in mind. We just can't afford anymore mistakes...so Hillary it must be************************but...but...in 2000, youy went for Tue 06 May 2008 09:35:52 GMT+1 Board Stupid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=47#comment25 If Obama is as much a Washington insider as McCain and Clinton.He has just repackaged himself as another brand of snakeoil.In all honesty this has to be the most talentless US election in living memory. The candidates make John Kerry look electable. Tue 06 May 2008 09:21:34 GMT+1 OnlyHereForTheFood http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=45#comment24 Clinton won't drop out - even if she loses both Indiana and North Carolina - she's got West Virginia right up and she'll win that very easily, and she'll also do strongly in Pueto Rico.I don't think it will go to the convention, but it'll go to June, and I think the DMC will force the Superdelegates to decide so they can have some chance for the GE.Then again, even if it goes to the convention it might not all be bad news for Obama, I can imgine him getting a large bounce in funding as he would appear under attack from both Clinton and McCain and he would cast himself as the Washington outsider to both of them - the recent gas tax holiday is a good example of how he'll be different to both of them, but we'll see if that's what America wants. Tue 06 May 2008 08:15:10 GMT+1 Long_Odds_Indian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=43#comment23 I don't have anything much against the US, I have spent time there and enjoy it despite the mess the politics is in. But I believe jabber-jabber has a point when he asks Americans to think the unthinkable.. It may be that many black people think like Jeremiah (remember the one in the old testament?) Wright, but are too fed up, tired and scared to say so out loud. And lots of whites don't understand, or misunderstand, and are simply shocked, intolerant or too aggressive when faced with that truth. It looks like a heavin' cauldron of bad karma out there. I beseech you, in the bowels of ..(whatever you believe in), think it possible that you may be mistaken.. Otherwise, there's going to be nothin' left to learn and nothin' left to lose. Tue 06 May 2008 06:34:59 GMT+1 dazzlingEspike http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=41#comment22 Good to see you talking to a Bush supporter Justin. Frankly I'm amazed that you did. As for Darlene giving her vote to Billary - surely that's just a case of someone who gives their vote to "monsters" - oh, and the fact that Darlene is a woman? Tue 06 May 2008 06:06:43 GMT+1 turningblueandgrey http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=39#comment21 Obama's "track record" is no mystery. In national or Illinois state service he has worked for: Nuclear material control - you might call this 'key ingredient control' to follow up Lugar and others 'loose nukes' efforts to control intact cold war weapons; Equal Pay Act to prevent women's pay discrimination; Veterans Administration support for disabled and homeless veterans compensation, veterans tax credits, veterans PTSD help; Homeland Security contracting rules tightened to prevent waste and fraud; Whistle-blower protection; and various other efforts including death penalty overhaul and campaign finance and ethics reform.He also worked closely with the Chicago Catholic community in local service. Tue 06 May 2008 06:02:58 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=37#comment20 # 17 "Senator Obama has an enormous and obviously commanding following both among the populace and the so-called SuperDelegates." If it was so obvious then Mrs Clinton would not still be in the race. Implying that her supporters have little intellect or sense of decency is a preposterous notion, millions of voters can't all be stupid. One wonders though how a former Republican can become an Obama convert since he is so far to the left of everything the Republicans represent. #18, 19, 20 and others are correct. Tue 06 May 2008 05:11:43 GMT+1 dennisjunior1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=35#comment19 Hillary is the strongest women in the world at this time....I voted for her husband when i was able to in 1996....it would be an honour to voted for her in 2008! Tue 06 May 2008 04:32:29 GMT+1 ljbella http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=33#comment18 Hillary, as a person who both loves and works for America and "all" Americans, has a proven track record, which goes back decades. I like Obama as a person and even as a politician. But quite frankly, the situation in which we find our nation is just to dire to trust to a good ( actually a great) person but with limited experience. Many Americans are now finding themselves in a life or death situation. Be it at home facing our health care and economic crisis. Or in hostile nations abroad facing IED's and suicide bombers. We presently have a President who has killed more Americans and wasted more national treasure than the terrorists he claims to be fighting. And a Republican presidential candidate who has nothing but more of the same in mind. We just can't afford anymore mistakes...so Hillary it must be! Tue 06 May 2008 04:11:03 GMT+1 AndreainNY http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=32#comment17 I have to agree with Darlene Boatman. Hillary is the strongest woman I've ever seen. She is very impressive.Though, sometimes I wonder whether it isn't just in comparison to Obama that she appears so strong. (He is extremely light, after all.)I'm a Republican supporter of McCain, but lately I've been thinking that Hillary might not be so bad after all. Tue 06 May 2008 01:59:25 GMT+1 ReformedRepublican http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=30#comment16 Based on your article, I'm not sure how closely you're watching the race here in the U.S. The Clintons have a widely known history of scandal after scandal and this is why over 50% (perhaps over 60%, I can't remember) of the entire population do not trust her. What does that say about a person when the majority of people don't trust you? Thus, Senator Obama has an enormous and obviously commanding following both among the populace and the so-called SuperDelegates. A widely discussed theory among Democrats is that Clinton is intentionally working to allow McCain to win this election so that she can run in 4 years (based on her assumption that he will self-destruct within that period). She and her husband seem to be substantially more concerned with their return to the throne than what is good for this country. I'm appalled at her deceit and certainly don't understand how anyone with a reasonable intellect or sense of decency would vote for her. I switched parties specifically to vote for Obama and am very excited that the SuperDelegates seem to be supporting him to a much greater degree than Clinton. Tue 06 May 2008 01:19:43 GMT+1 theAllAmerican http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=28#comment15 theres no such thing as a republican for hilary. theres no such thing as an american for hilary Tue 06 May 2008 00:46:50 GMT+1 electronicDavePotts http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=26#comment14 Ridiculous. I'm in North Carolina, and I voted for Obama on Thursday. Although I'm unaffiliated, I lean towards the classical liberal end of the spectrum on economics (typically Republican territory here in the US), and I despise Hillary for that very reason. She will be a far more left leaning president on economic matters than Bill was: witness her "shared prosperity" wealth redistribution scheme. Obama is a new kind of Democrat - one that recognizes that prosperity is an exponent of peace, and does not consider the free market to be anathema. He has brought reasonable economic advisers to his team, and has called out both Clinton and McCain on their gas tax relief pandering. Furthermore, Mr. Obama has shown a willingness to engage in dialog with the "other," whether that other is Iran, or the other side of the aisle. Beyond that, Obama has shown a serious interest in economic progress as a result of technological achievement, unlike Hillary, who seems to pine for the good old days of US rust belt industry. The choice is clear to any halfway intelligent Republican considering switching sides this election cycle. Mon 05 May 2008 23:34:57 GMT+1 JDavidson49 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=24#comment13 Hello, I have heard allot of comments, about if Senator Obama becomes the nominee quite a few Hillary supporters will not vote for him. As an avid Obama supporter and someone who protested against the war in Iraq, both before and after the war started. I would like to know where any anti-war supporter is supposed to vote in good conscience? The press has never asked that question. Not that I am surprised, as they did seem to be asleep to the build up to the war. It just seems to me that there will be more Obama supporters who will be at a loss as to who or even why vote if Hillary is the nominee. If she had only been more concerned with the loss of human life, as opposed to being called unpatriotic I could see her as a strong and caring leader. Thank you, John Davidson Mon 05 May 2008 23:17:21 GMT+1 ynda20 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=22#comment12 I am beginning to suspect that Hillary has more than just voters on her side. She is predicting Indiana to be a "game changer" while www.blackboxvoting.org - a website looking into election fraud - has just announced that 250,000 voters in two counties closest to Chicago (an Obama stronghold) have been purged from the voter roll. In all 1.1million voters have been purged - that's about 25% of the voters.Hmm - shades of the vote rigging in the cliff hanging Florida election in 2000 (which was expertly exposed by the bbc several months after Bush's election). That was a considerably smaller number of "purged" voters too. With other voting irregularities on the Clinton side during the election then I fear this will be another election stolen and another time when democracy is undermined. Mon 05 May 2008 21:35:56 GMT+1 cmgmoser http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=20#comment11 In response to heathergreene’s comment (post #1). I am thoroughly tired of hearing Democrats say how they long for the days of the Clinton Years. Sorry Heather, this is by no means a personal attack at you, it’s just a knee-jerk reaction from me. After 8 years of Bush, I can sympathize with wanting something else, even if it’s the Clinton years. However, I would make the case that some of the foundations of our current problems were laid during those years; and I don’t mean NAFTA; NAFTA is small potatoes. During the Clinton years we got a free trade agreement with China which has not only taken American jobs, but also taken the jobs that NAFTA sent to Mexico. We saw what happened to American jobs with NAFTA, so Bill should have known what was going to happen with the China deal (and I could go on about all the other issues we face with China, but you get the drift). Now with all of this nifty free trade with China, those newly unemployed Mexicans are coming up here looking for work, which has got us in this very divisive immigration debate. Clinton did not veto the bill that deregulated banks which has gotten us the housing crises. Clinton went along with the declawing of the FCC which has now got us a media so biased and askew that we Americans are going to the BBC to get our news (I suspect that is why some of you are here).Is Hillary going to be any better? I don’t think so. Take the race right now for the nomination. She totally underestimated Barack Obama. He was right in front of her all the time. His approach to this race has been constant. Yet, she wrote him off and now is fighting tooth and nail to win this race. And people think that is admirable. Come on! It would be admirable if he came out of nowhere. Do we want someone who can’t even assess the threat that is right next do to them placed in the position to assess the threats that lie on the other side of the world? I don’t think so. We need to snap out of the underdog malarkey, it’s not helping us. Hillary displays the same weakness as Bill, that is, a lack of foresight. If she had it she would have been better prepared to head Barack off. She would have had her eye on the money, instead of having to lend herself five million at the last minute. She would have re-orged her staff going into Super Tuesday when she found out about her money problems instead of waiting to lose 12 races to Obama. In short she would have responded to the situation, shown innovation. Instead, the face of her campaign has become embittered. Hillary has chosen to use mud-slinging, false hope (that’s a gas tax reference), and pandering (Fox News and company reference). We need to see this for what it is and vote accordingly, and not get caught up in some soap opera fantasy about the “struggle”. I think people forget that all over the world other people’s lives are at stake when we choose our president. I am not for someone who resorts to desperation when they have gotten themselves in a pickle.Finally, as for her appeal to Republicans. Well, I guess I can sum that up by saying she is the compassionate conservative that G. W. said he wanted to be. Mon 05 May 2008 21:09:21 GMT+1 Nepomucena http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=18#comment10 I am a 58 year old white woman from Indiana, definitely NOT smitten with Hillary. I often vote Republican, sometimes Democrat, depending on the candidate. I registered as a Democrat to vote for Obama. Hillary is a dinosaur, much like McCain, as much as I admire his personal sacrifice. If Hillary is the candidate, I can't vote for her, nor McCain--I would vote for Ron Paul. I teach and Obama is the face of most of the children--they don't care about race, many of their parents stuck in the past do. Those voters who like McCain and Hillary are stuck too, they don't want new jobs, they want their old jobs back, they want everyone to look like them and think like them, just like it used to be--which it will never be again. I am tired of everyone catering to those with the least education, instead of inspiring--which Obama does. No one ever brings up the fact that the gas tax holiday would have to be voted on by Congress and approved by Bush and would also have massive administrative costs. How idiotic and would just line the pockets of the oil companies. Mon 05 May 2008 21:01:25 GMT+1 john http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=16#comment9 As an outsider I think that perhaps the Americans cannot think the unthinkable . Wright was right. Mon 05 May 2008 20:29:34 GMT+1 DougTexan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=15#comment8 Count me as a Republican that loves Hillary. I listen to Rush daily, though I like his show, it is that, 'a show'. I agree with your girl Darlene, Hilary is tough, proud and defiant in the face of nay sayers those that would have her quit, she 'IS' all American. Her tough stand shows the world that Hillary as President wouldn't be a pushover. Also I admire that she understands Irag is done, and that the coalition has won, and the need in Afganistan is growing. Hillary also is informed enough to know we have bases in Kuwait, Germany and Japan.If anything the long primary has shown that a lapel pin means more when worn, not denied. Mon 05 May 2008 20:11:44 GMT+1 Ambiance-Moushkila http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=13#comment7 no Justin, she's not the only one:http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/conservatives-h.html Mon 05 May 2008 19:33:56 GMT+1 rionorigel http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=11#comment6 I have warmed up to a Clinton presidency because of Clinton's determination and willingness to fight on. To me, Obama is running on rhetoric, not record. At this point, no one can ignore the fact that Clinton is a woman and that Obama is an African American. But I think that if you put Obama's words in Clinton's mouth, she would be dismissed as all rhetoric, and if you put Clinton's words in Obama's mouth, he would be cheered for being a strong leader with a sound platform. What each says is being filtered by a "gender filter" or "race filter".If Obama does get the nomination in the fall, I think that he will be a better candidate thanks to Clinton's staying in the race and giving him someone to run against before the fall campaign. I don't agree with people who say that the Democratic party is being hurt by Clinton's not dropping out of the race, rather the party will be hurt if Democratic party officials continue to pressure Clinton to drop out. I'll consider switching my voting registration in the fall if the Democratic party officials don't stop pressuring Clinton to get out of the race. Mon 05 May 2008 19:22:43 GMT+1 AAlvinTwiningham http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=9#comment5 Yes, Hillary made it through Bill's infidelities with dignity. He made a public fool of her (not for the first time) and she stuck right with him throughout it all. She is a role model for strong independent women everywhere.Unless, of course, you prefer your independent women to have scruples. Mon 05 May 2008 19:04:17 GMT+1 chewbaccadefense http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=7#comment4 Protogodzilla: Obama plays the race card everyday. Do you really believe 90% of blacks vote for him because they believe in his vision? NO but because he is black. Is this not the race card too? Or do you believe blacks are incapable of being racist? Mon 05 May 2008 18:44:35 GMT+1 Ambiance-Moushkila http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=5#comment3 told ya ! (see my comment on your previous blog).Also, please go back to see the Interview with Bill O'Reilly on FOX from last week, and tell me in all honesty how amazingly they seem to get along. There isn't the slightest hint of discomfort from either one. A match made in heaven (although that last word is subject to change... wink, wink...) Mon 05 May 2008 18:43:18 GMT+1 basvdbogaard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=3#comment2 Many people had already given up on America because of endemic racial tensions. The reverend Jeremiah Wright is apparently among them. Obama could help heal this wound.It seems to me that a large section of the electorate will be dissapointed, no matter who the Democratic candidate will be.Which may be the real tragedy of the current primary race. Mon 05 May 2008 18:24:36 GMT+1 protogodzilla http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=1#comment1 So in the end Billary has played the race card. With the help of Wright, Obama has been damaged. Many non-whites around the world will be watching and noting. Billary may win the nomination and lose the respect of too many. The racist minority will applaud and the majority will remember. Still, Billary will have gained the nomination - and that's what matters above all things? Mon 05 May 2008 18:23:57 GMT+1 heathergreene http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/republicans_for_hillary.html?page=0#comment0 Justin, it isn't just the 'Hillary phenomenon'. I'm an American who has lived in the UK since 1987, and the only time I missed being back home was during the Clinton years. Bill Clinton, like Blair, turned out to be flawed (i.e. human), but aside from his JFK sexual emulation, he was an exceptional president. And Hillary conducted herself throughout that debacle, and the subsequent inquisition by the Republicans, with dignity. She persevered to enter public service in her own right, and has done good work for New Yorkers. I read her biography, and was surprised to learn the important role religion has played in her life, for she wears it lightly: a wise move in such a polarized country. You do her disservice by your comments. She is an intelligent and dedicated woman who I believe deserves a chance (her party's nomination) to be the first female president. Nothing against Obama, but he has years left to try again; I've no doubt he'll be our first Black president some day. Mon 05 May 2008 18:10:57 GMT+1