Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html en-gb 30 Mon 29 Dec 2014 04:30:35 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=99#comment114 bfoulkrod1 (#114), I don't know to what you refer as being a "real steal." The Presidio of San Francisco was closed as an Army base, but it is now managed by the Presidio Trust (which see), a public body.As for the Defense Language Institute, the history is here:http://benefits.military.com/misc/installations/Base_Content.jsp?id=460 Mon 03 Aug 2009 15:11:42 GMT+1 bfoulkrod1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=98#comment113 We did interservice field day competitions twice a year (one at the defense Language Institute in Monterey, the other at the DLI San Fran. Both have hills that could almost cause a front end collision with a cross street on the way down, by SF has public transport that is much easier than trying to drive that terrain. The DLI SF was sold off in the first round of base closure back when, and somebody got a real steal. Prime location with the Golden Gate Bridge spanning right outside your door and the city and all its wonders belows just a jump away.As for the Frost piece, calling something racist years after the fact in a PA rewrite misses it (your take was better). A comparison to a laid back, ancient culture that has no use for our ways isn't racist, it's merely a comparison and a statement on our differences in life and expectations. A revisit to its theme is timely in the midst of a global recession the west blames on export driven eastern economies, and the east blames on western models. Mon 03 Aug 2009 03:05:27 GMT+1 britchris http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=97#comment112 Good luck to you and your family as you return to the UK. I have enjoyed reading all of your contributions to the website, however, your recent article in which you reflect on the past 8 years in DC has really resonated with me. My job took me to the US 13 years ago and I am at the point of considering retirement back in the UK. The US is a wonderful country, but like many expat Brits I have a constant yearning for the homeland. Is it still such a green and pleasant land or are my lenses just a little too rose tinted? I look forward to your thoughts and continued contributions to the BBC website. Safe travels! Sun 02 Aug 2009 15:40:10 GMT+1 britchris http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=96#comment111 Sun 02 Aug 2009 15:22:09 GMT+1 powermeerkat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=95#comment110 "When people carp at America I think of the Robert Frost poem The Importer - sometimes reviled as racist and certainly not fashionable nowadays - that hits back with wit and, to me, wisdom."People have been predicting demise of USA since early '60s (cf. Khruschev's pronnouncements just before Cuban Missile Crisis).Rather than quoting Frost I'll quote Mark Twain on US's behalf:"REPORTS OF MY DEATH HAVE BEEN GREATLY EXAGGERATED". ;-) Thu 30 Jul 2009 05:50:49 GMT+1 fluffytale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=94#comment109 dianaatkin. don't worry about justin . he's the sort that would go to war and come back rich.you should watch making sense it can lead to unexplained things like all them U numbers Thu 30 Jul 2009 01:59:22 GMT+1 dianaatkin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=93#comment108 6. At 1:25pm on 24 Jul 2009, David_Cunard wrote: (See post)---Thanks for that David. I did try and say the same thing but got blasted by the Beeb team a while back and had to apologise by email to them.It's not that Justin isn't a nice guy etc it's just that as you say, some real reporting from all of the US wouldn't have been amiss. A bit from Washington DC etc didn't cut the mustard. Wish you well Justin you're camera friendly. Wed 29 Jul 2009 17:57:10 GMT+1 srook2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=93#comment107 #45"Let the little man improve his own lot, let the great man amass his fortune. So long as they complement each others efforts, America will remain one of the most glorious experiments in human history."This would be as near to Utopia as we imperfect humans could get if the 'great man' didn't own the elected representatives and use them to facilitate the systematic screwing of the 'little man' and to keep him from becoming competition.#48"The congress is joining him in slamming the small businesses that are the basis for much of the US economy with a bewildering mass of taxes, regulations and government intervention. That is not why they were elected."Small businesses like AIG and General Motors? They're a liability to this nation, not an asset. If the climate in the U.S. were truly conducive to small business then stimulus for creating jobs would make sense. As it is, the entities like those mentioned above got by far the largest pieces of the stimulus pie in the form of bailouts and they've been cutting jobs instead of creating them. Any money that goes to a large corporation will be used to line the pockets of greedy executives, not to create jobs.And to all who participate in partisan finger-pointing: as long as Democrats are busy blaming Republicans for the current crisis and vice versa, nothing is being accomplished. Now is the time to fix the problem, not to fix the blame.But while we're on the subject it was neither party and both that caused this fiasco, it was corrupt lawmakers doing the bidding of their industry paymasters, to steal U14075039's apt characterization. Tue 28 Jul 2009 04:38:42 GMT+1 parityisbetterthancharity http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=92#comment106 #101Were you out in the rain with your fearless dog? I think you need to put those dogs on a diet. A St. Bernard weighing 160 Lbs? That's more than I weigh, and at 5'10" I'm no small woman.If you've spent much time in Philly, I'm sure you know the bridge I'm talking about. Mon 27 Jul 2009 23:55:46 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=91#comment105 #97. MarcusAureliusII: "The only place I've ever been in the United States where I didn't feel perfectly comfortable and at home was in California, land of fruits and nuts, especially in Southern California. "Then I guess you won't be coming back any time soon. Good news for all concerned."I've never tried illegal drugs."You could never tell it from the way you write. And what a boring youth you must have had; even our recent presidents have had a toke. Take a trip to Holland and pop into a "coffee shop", try it, you might like it. And far healthier for your liver, no danger of cirrhosis or gout. Mon 27 Jul 2009 22:31:01 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=90#comment104 102. At 1:18pm on 27 Jul 2009, john-In-Dublin wrote:# 84 [and various other endless, tedious, verbally incontinent and unread whines] - Macho Autisticus II. "There are lots of places I've never been that I have no desire to visit"Can't fault the logic here. Personally there are lots of places I have seen because I er wanted to see them.If I had not wanted to see them I wouldn't have...I hope that is clear.MA must work for pseuds corner in Private Eye Mon 27 Jul 2009 20:30:09 GMT+1 U14075073 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=89#comment103 This post has been Removed Mon 27 Jul 2009 19:07:15 GMT+1 U14074320 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=88#comment102 Turdus Turdus, (the common thrush, Mods)"I cross the Delaware river on I95 (not "THE 95") back and forth to work every day and it does not cost even one cent."And, after that commute and a working day, you still have time to type and post reams of original thought! What an accomplishment! Unless, of course, said typing and posting is paid work...., in which case, another instance of disproportionate pay (if non-zero)Gotta fly! Mon 27 Jul 2009 13:41:00 GMT+1 john-In-Dublin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=87#comment101 # 84 [and various other endless, tedious, verbally incontinent and unread whines] - Macho Autisticus II. "There are lots of places I've never been that I have no desire to visit"Not nearly as many as the number of places that have no desire to be visited by you"After Angela's Ashes, I'll never see Ireland quite the same way again"Indeed. I recently saw Michael Mann's excellent Public Enemies, about John Dillinger. Clearly that makes me an expert on the US.You really are a sad, tedious and unpleasant sort. Thank Goodness you are so untypical of most Americans. Mon 27 Jul 2009 12:18:43 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=86#comment100 falseconservative...I cross the Delaware river on I95 (not "THE 95") back and forth to work every day and it does not cost even one cent.Two of those other places you mentioned, the Yukon and Siberia have only natural hardships where skills to survive them are available and learnable. I have no explanation for why anything from the Bronx is so tough, it's just a consistant observation I've seen throughout my life...and it it is tougher than Brooklyn, Brooklyn is merely larger. If Brooklyn was once tough, it was because people who lived there had to put up with perpetual taunting about the Dodgers from Giant and especially Yankee fans. I've got two mixed breed female Rottweilers both adopted as small puppies 7 and 8 years ago, one 160 pounds part Saint Bernard rescued by the Port Gervis Humane Society, one 100 pound mixed breed German Shepherd rescued from a junkyard in the Bronx by the North Shore Animal League. Both are extremely affectionate, friendly, love everyone including children and other animals, neither would hurt a fly. But the one from the Bronx is the most fearless animal I ever saw, the other more typical of most dogs. Last night was a good example. We had a bad thunderstorn. The one from the Bronx wanted as always to sit outside in the pouring rain and watch the lightning, listen to the thunder, the one from Port Gervis wanted to hide in the linen closet until it was over. It's just their nature due to where they came from. I see it all the time being a native New Yorker. Mon 27 Jul 2009 10:38:55 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=86#comment99 Re: Poster 97:MAII You're really are a smokey faced demon. An act of hatred and violence is a thrill ride for a demon, they not only participate, in so far as influencing someone to commit acts of violence, they get a thrill during the act. Mon 27 Jul 2009 09:08:39 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=85#comment98 97. At 03:38am on 27 Jul 2009, MarcusAureliusII wrote:""I was born and raised in New York City. In fact born in the Bronx. Nobody on this earth is tougher than anything born in the Bronx that survives it. We eat nails and $*#+ two by fours. We eat Californians for breakfast""+Yeah Marc Ax them Brooklyn Boys are bad in Crooklyn.The Bridge is over.Brooklyn's in the House :"If we don't like them - we gun them"" I don't like your T-shirt... blam blam blam" Mon 27 Jul 2009 08:35:43 GMT+1 parityisbetterthancharity http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=84#comment97 Marcus Aurelius II Re:post #97 You have actually lived in my beautiful state of PA? Horrors!! Remember that the toll over the Delaware River is one way. You can go in NJ free, but by the time ordinary people have spent a little time in NJ they are willing to pay the toll to get back to PA. Ha!You seriously think life in the Bronx is the toughest on earth? What about life in the Yukon Territory, or Siberia, or the Sudan, or Arkansas (the poorest state in the US), or Washington, D.C. (the most dangerous place in the US)?Please keep your responses brief in the same way that I keep my posts short. You know (?) the Golden Rule. Mon 27 Jul 2009 03:51:15 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=83#comment96 phonyconservative;I was born and raised in New York City. In fact born in the Bronx. Nobody on this earth is tougher than anything born in the Bronx that survives it. We eat nails and $*#+ two by fours. We eat Californians for breakfast. While I lived in California, I'd need three valium just to put me on a par with the locals. As for Europe, I won't even go there. It's by far the dumbest place I've ever seen. But then I've never been to the Middle East so there may be worse. BTW, I've also lived in other states including Pennsylvania and Maryland, I've been in nearly half the states and in over 40 foreign countries on three continents so I haven't seen the whole world first hand....but I've seen enough of it. Canard, I know Orange County is not Los Angeles County or the city of Los Angeles but being directly adjacent to it and being that it seems only differentiated by a line on a map there is a boring continuity to it. I think the LA Airport is as bad if not worse than Newark's. We had to pick someone up and they made a big deal about some local hamburger joint called "In and Out." You'd think it was haute cuisine to hear them talk about it but from my experience it was no better than MacDonalds. The only place I've ever been in the United States where I didn't feel perfectly comfortable and at home was in California, land of fruits and nuts, especially in Southern California. It is pretentious beyond all reason. In the the Bay area in the town I call Palto Alpo, Stanford University is held in awe as though it was Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and MIT rolled into one but if it were back east, it would just be one more Ivy League school. In fact if you want an education, Berkeley is probably superior although it doesn't have nearly the reputation. Glad you like it there. I'll take snowstorms over earthquakes and forest fires any day."Getting high on grass seems no worse than getting high on alcohol"I wouldn't know, I've never tried illegal drugs. And while pot may be legal under California law for limited medical use, not recreational use, it is illegal under federal law which supercedes state law. I think canibis became California's number one cash crop decades ago. Lighting up a joint seemed as blaise to most Californians I met as having a cup of coffee. So did kiting checks. That seems to be the way the state government was run too. Mon 27 Jul 2009 02:38:32 GMT+1 BienvenueEnLouisiana http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=82#comment95 95:Interesting...in Louisiana we say "the 10/12 split" and almost never call an interstate a freeway. And to add one more name for soft-drinks, we mostly use "Coke" as the generic word for soft-drink. Mon 27 Jul 2009 01:00:47 GMT+1 parityisbetterthancharity http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=81#comment94 #93 DCunardActually, MA2is right that here in the east we don't put "the" before a highway's name. Obviously, that doesn't make either way correct. I guess it's just like soft drinks, which can be called soda, pop, or soda-pop depending on where you grow up. It's not the big deal that MA2 thinks it is. Sun 26 Jul 2009 21:28:33 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=80#comment93 92.I meanlike a rolling stone Sun 26 Jul 2009 21:26:14 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=80#comment92 #59. MarcusAureliusII: "Canard: I traveled to the LA area about half a dozen times last year. While Europe is characterized by millenia of built up layers old filth, LA is characterized by sterility. I particularly noticed it in Orange County where not a blade of grass could grow crooked or a millimeter too long without being cut, not a leaf could fall from a tree without someone to catch it lest it lay on the ground, an unbearable eyesore."Like so much you get wrong, geography is not your strong point: Orange County is not Los Angeles County. If you should ever be out West again, take a more comprehensive look at Los Angeles - go to Wrightwood one day and Malibu the next, then perhaps see the difference between Compton and Beverly Hills. None of those places - or any in between - are "characterized by sterility"."I'm curious about something. Why do they use the word "the" when referring to intrstate highways? Take the 405 South to . . . Wierd affectation."What would you say in Noo Joisey? Freeways here (where they originated) had - and still have - names: the Pasadena Freeway, the Hollywood Freeway, the San Diego Freeway, the Golden State Freeway, &c. No-one says "take Interstate 5", but rather take the I5 to wherever. I can't see there's any affectation in that."Small wonder it's the home of eating alfalfa sprouts, humans eating cow fodder...when they aren't smoking pot or getting drunk."As for the last, consider all those very expensive bottles of Chateau This 'n' That which you consume nightly and tell me you remain stone cold sober. Getting high on grass seems no worse than getting high on alcohol, and it seems likely that the Golden State may be the first to regulate and tax the former, just as it does the latter. Sun 26 Jul 2009 21:02:09 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=79#comment91 "If you love Chelsea so much..why don't you go live there?"U-N-I-T-YWhat we really need isthat is Unitythat for youthat for melove your brother manlike you love your ownlove your sisterslike your ownwhat we need is loveand they won't end up like a rolling sotne Sun 26 Jul 2009 20:54:02 GMT+1 parityisbetterthancharity http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=78#comment90 Marcus Aurelius The fact that you are from New Jersey explains it all. Your state is half a suburb of New York City and half a suburb of Philadelphia, with nothing to claim as its own. No wonder you work so hard to make other people think the United States is a horrible place. I'm glad G&R, Cunard, Squirrelist, et al have seen other, better, parts of the States.Please think before you speak. You are the cause of a significant amount of the "anti-Americanism" that you perceive. Sun 26 Jul 2009 20:45:26 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=77#comment89 Marcus WhateverU-R not my friendIf U trouble troubleU will get it on the doubleand then the tripleNo trouble meI no trouble U Sun 26 Jul 2009 20:04:35 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=76#comment88 korviev"Nomenclatura" has an even more elitist European penache to it. In monarchies like Tsarist Russia, Bourbon France, Austria, Germany, Italy, Britain, they would have understood it perfectly, the incorporation of the intellectuals into the power elite to corrupt them for the purpose of maintaining absolute power through an engineered intellectual justification rationalizing it. Today they do it without justification, everyone in Europe just accepts that it's the way it ought to be. Sun 26 Jul 2009 18:56:50 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=75#comment87 Marcus I should be blooming President of Rome and United States of America Next Tags: lonely--but not that lonely yettrackbackHey, sometimes you get busy, and your obligations to the online literati do not get met (I have no idea if literati is appropriate, but I like the sound of it). Sun 26 Jul 2009 18:03:00 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=74#comment86 Korviev"TimothyIt's not Obama's fault he was handed a basketful of rotten eggs by the incumbent Bush Cheney War on Terrorism and War in the East Republicans. The origins of the financial problems are the previous Government who short-changed and duped the country."If President Obama didn't understand what he was getting into, he has no one to blame but himself. He wasn't just some observer off the street, he was a United States Senator who participated or was supposed to in all activities of the United States Senate including the bailout last Fall. Perhaps if he'd spent more time doing his job as a Senator and less time campaigning and even served another term or two before running for president, he'd have had a better grasp of events. He had access to all of the information the government has regarding the economy and everything else. Tony Blair may have skated by excusing his own shortcomings for ten years on the pretext that he and his party inherited a mess from the Tories but that kind of blather won't fly any longer in the US. If he finds he is in over his head, perhaps he should resign. If there isn't drastic improvement in the next three years he will not be re-elected. He and the Democratic party now own the government and all of its problems. Pointing a finger at the Republicans won't work any longer."It's do or die keeping your head above water when money is in short supply and it means downgrading lifestyles and services in a more restrained manner. Common strategies of frugality include the reduction of waste, curbing costly habits, suppressing instant gratification by means of fiscal self-restraint, seeking efficiency, etc."It also means no longer giving the store away. It means that because Europe and other nations are NOT pulling their fair share of the weight in Afghanistan and many in NATO did their best to block action in Iraq, it's time for the US to pull out of NATO telling Europe to defend itself and to tell China, Japan, and the rest of East Asia that if they want the US to continue keeping the peace among them in their region with US military presence, they will have to pay America for the cost of it. It is not the American taxpayer's rightful burden to keep peace in the world. If other countries wind up having less to spend on their lavish social safety nets, the US government will have more to spend on its own and perhaps it will shut them up when they can't afford then what we can't afford now. It's also time for the US government to use America's vast economic power as a political and economic weapon to assert and advance the interests of Americans the way other nations advance the interests of their citizens. "The profligate Republicans were able to spend money acquired by the thrift of their predecessors or ancestors and were too spendthrift spending money prodigiously and were extravagant and recklessly wasteful, ignoring domestic issues such as social development and investment."Social investments are for the most part the extravagent and reckless expenditures. It is not the job of the United States government to assure that every citizen and non citizen legal or illegally in the US lives in comfort and luxury at the expense of others who have more than they do by stealing it through taxes. That is socialsim and it is what Europe is about, not America. And in the long run, history proves that it never works."One should question and challenge the legality of the use and levels of military force to prevent or deter terrorist activity inside and outside the United States which incurred billions in costs."Under America's laws and Constitution, it is not illegal to use military force to prevent and deter terrorist activity inside and outside the United States that are directed against American and at any cost. By their sworn sacred oath they take when they get a job or assume office having been elected, it is illegal for every Federal employee not to. This is the government's number one obligation and priority. International laws in reality don't exist, wouldn't count if they did, and it is and would be criminal of the US Government to impose it upon the American people. The US government as stated at the very beginning of the Declaration of Independence justifying the seperation from Britain and the right to declare its own government asseerts that The People are sovereign over the government and not the other way around which is what some Americans forget and people in virtually all other nations foolishly accept. Therefore the US government does not have the legal power to transfer or cede any part of that sovereignty to extranational organizations such as the ICC or WTO where Americans would be judged and possibly punished by people not accountable to them under any treaty and they are therefore all illegal under American law."I hope americans will see the light and not blame Obama for his attempts." He will not be blamed for his attempts but for his failures to keep his promises. That is what accountability in a democratic nation, prehaps the only really democratic nation in the world is about. That judgement will be made collectively at the voting booths in 2012, possibly sooner in the mid term election (we don't have "bi-elections) in 2010. Sun 26 Jul 2009 15:40:49 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=73#comment85 Simple Simian;All reports I've seen and read about Ireland say that it is a male dominated culture where women are relatively powerless and regarded as subservient compared to say the US where women have far greater equality with men. I've also gathered that much of Ireland's social life revolves around local pubs and it is a culture in which alcoholism is a relatively common affliction. Clearly the Catholic Church plays a major role in its politics, among the reasons the Irish rejected the Lisbon Treaty. Some provisions such as a possible imposition of legalized abortion were unacceptable and whatever assurances the Irish got in opt outs were not satisfactory to them. How interesting to see a relative handful of Irish voters who were the difference between rejection and acceptance of Lisbon upset the entire European super state advocates' applecart. I'm sure in time they'll find a way around it as they always do when minor obstacles like democratic votes rejecting their grand plan slows them down but for now they've had a setback. If I were Irish and had voted for the treaty or hadn't voted at all, I'd strongly consider rejecting it when it comes up again just to prove that the voters in Ireland are every bit as important in the EU's affairs as the rubber stamp Parliaments in the UK, Germany, and France who accepted it without a plebecite. Sun 26 Jul 2009 15:02:28 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=73#comment84 MarcusAureliusII ! Long time no one seen! Well you come down right now with new things cause a brother know you is winner of things and clash them back in the days! ...LITTLE HARRY Rougher than Rough Sun 26 Jul 2009 13:26:42 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=72#comment83 Doubled over in Dublin;"You have clearly never been here."There are lots of places I've never been that I have no desire to visit. But having access to books, television, the internet, and people who have been there because they lived there or emigrated from there doesn't mean I don't know anything about it. After Angela's Ashes, I'll never see Ireland quite the same way again although I knew before that Ireland was never the paradise it was painted to be. The recent scandal about the priests who abused children came as no surprise to me because something similar happened in the US although that was confined to sexual abuse where the reports about Ireland were even more horrific. The difference seems to me to be about the fact that in Ireland, they will get away with it scott free. I'm not surprised about that either due to the politics of that country. Sun 26 Jul 2009 13:11:02 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=71#comment82 The Reggae Regulars says:This is a war.. you little fool stay farMy sound has no time for bargainingNow my selector the time has come(1) The Black Starliner(2) Trappers(3) Dubplate To A Soundboy Sun 26 Jul 2009 12:35:19 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=70#comment81 re 78 Koroviev wroteFred LocksBIG BIG TUNETRUE CLASSIC!very nice songmarcus garvey, we can't thank you enoughView all 6 commentsWould you like to comment? Sun 26 Jul 2009 12:05:14 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=69#comment80 For the record :I am NOT HAPPYI am well VEXEDif you like it so much why dont you go live there - a lovely journal of what happens when we are invited to Have Your Say. One for the blogroll - definitely. And high up.create a link Labels: Green Hypertext, Knuckledraggers, Negativism, Vibes Sun 26 Jul 2009 12:01:08 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=68#comment79 Richard Dick NixonRidicule as a substitute for moderation?Wonderful stuff. Definitely one for the blogroll too.Never Trust a HippyThe road to hell is paved with bad intentions. Sun 26 Jul 2009 11:57:43 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=67#comment78 And ye gods - Marcus Garvey has nothing to do with any of it. Sun 26 Jul 2009 11:55:35 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=66#comment77 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkAnw8NydUo Sun 26 Jul 2009 11:54:32 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=66#comment76 73. At 06:56am on 26 Jul 2009, TimothyR444 wrote:(a lovely journal of what happens when we are invited to Have Your Say. One for the blogroll - definitely. And high up)."And ye gods - Marcus Garvey has nothing to do with any of it".~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Timmay "If you love Terrorists so much.. why don't you go live there?" ... Maybe God thinks you're a Richard Dick Nixon. Re: Marcus Mosiah Garvey MAN KNOW THYSELF Marcus Garvey rose to lead the largest black organization in history BIG TUNE TRUE CLASSICMarcus Garvey told USFreedom is a mustThe Black Star Liner will be coming in for us7 miles of Black Star Liner come in the harbourp.s. Never Trust a Hippy and always speak your brainRidicule as a substitute for moderation now? Sun 26 Jul 2009 11:42:34 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=65#comment75 73. At 06:56am on 26 Jul 2009, TimothyR444 wrote:And ye gods - Marcus Garvey has nothing to do with any of it+"If you love Terrorists so much.. why don't you go live there?" ... Maybe God thinks you're a dick. Marcus Garvey told USThat Freedom is a mustHe told us that the Black Star Linerwas coming for US7 miles of Black Star Liner's are coming in for US Sun 26 Jul 2009 11:06:48 GMT+1 TimothyR444 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=64#comment74 re: #74:Just in case, squirrelist: That was intended ironically. Just in case there is a misunderstanding. I know that disagreement is not popular here and the status quo reigns. Sun 26 Jul 2009 06:15:04 GMT+1 TimothyR444 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=63#comment73 # 50 re: squirrelist:Thank you Sun 26 Jul 2009 05:58:18 GMT+1 TimothyR444 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=62#comment72 Koroviev re: # 51:"It's not Obama's fault he was handed a basketful of rotten eggs by the incumbent Bush Cheney War on Terrorism and War in the East Republicans. The origins of the financial problems are the previous Government who short-changed and duped the country."----------------------------------------------------------No, you are quite wrong: there is a six month moratorium for all new administrations. They cam complain, whine and blame their predecessors for six months. (And they ALL do it). Then it's time to grow up, wake up and take responsibility for themselves.As for the "thrift of their predecessors", that is ridiculous. It was the Democrats in congress who created, presided over and voted for the enormous debts of the 70s and 80s. They refused the GOP spending cuts, at a time when Republicans were still fiscally sane.But that is yetserday - the GOP is basically a non-story right now. The Democrats have absolute power and can do literally whatever they want. It is the moderate Democrats, NOT the Republicans, who are the main opponents to the Obama plan (such as it is....) There has been a dramatic change in the US in the last year. Debt is suddenly no longer acceptable. Remember, the rest of the world yells, screams, howls and throws tantrums over American materialism AND evil Americans in government. We are saying now: "Tell us what you will do specifically. Tell us how much it will cost. Tell us the details. We want a better system but we are very sceptical about how you will do it"I should think the rest of the world would be pleased. And of course that's our main concern, isn't it? Pleasing other countries! There's just no pleasning them! The Obama administration does not yet know the answers to those questions, and it is their plan. Yet they are selling it. So far it is a complete mess because it is ten plans at once. This is entirely their fault, so no more nonsense about Republicans. They are irrelevant.Obama's press conference last week was an embarassing failure.I must admit I am stunned by the complete mishandling of something that might have succeeded. I expected far more from an administration that ran a brilliant campaign. Governing is quite different - and they don't know to do it yet.And ye gods - Marcus Garvey has nothing to do with any of it. Sun 26 Jul 2009 05:56:35 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=61#comment71 Justin can do some California Dreamin' when he's back in cold dark dreary London.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtVIhDgo_uU Sat 25 Jul 2009 22:03:10 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=60#comment70 59. At 12:47pm on 25 Jul 2009, MarcusAureliusII wrote:Doubled over in DublinI think most of you spend your time in pubs throwing darts. What angers and surprises you is that now there is someone out there who catches them and throws them back at you. Me.This is seriious. I strongly urge you to avoid handling sharp instruments of any kind particularly anywhere near places that sell drink.You have enough problems without adding to them. Sat 25 Jul 2009 21:34:40 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=60#comment69 65. At 1:35pm on 25 Jul 2009, john-In-Dublin wrote:# 59 Macho Autisticus [addressing me]"I think most of you spend your time in pubs throwing darts"What would we do without your tedious, bigoted generalisations?Be much happier.You have clearly never been here."Utter rubbish! MA spends a lot of time in bars and pubs! Sat 25 Jul 2009 21:31:14 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=59#comment68 Once again, "alphamiguel" (#610) is trying to mislead us. The section of US Code to which he refers is the following: (15) United States means(A) a Federal corporation;(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or(C) an instrumentality of the United States.This is a definition under the Judiciary and Judicial Procedure title. It means only that the term "United States," in a particular section of the code, can apply to a corporation created by the United States, as well as to an agency or any other "instrumentality" of the United States.An example would be the FDIC, which is the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. That is a corporation which was created by the United States and which acts with the authority given it by the United States.This is just routine boilerplate which simplifies the writing of codes. Sat 25 Jul 2009 19:05:45 GMT+1 gunsandreligion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=58#comment67 59, MAII, YAPR (yet another pointless rant.) Sat 25 Jul 2009 17:40:15 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=57#comment66 Silence Blessed is the man, who having nothing to say, abstains from giving wordy evidence of the fact. (George Eliot) Sat 25 Jul 2009 14:51:17 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=56#comment65 This post has been Removed Sat 25 Jul 2009 13:10:41 GMT+1 john-In-Dublin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=55#comment64 # 59 Macho Autisticus [addressing me]"I think most of you spend your time in pubs throwing darts"What would we do without your tedious, bigoted generalisations?Be much happier.You have clearly never been here.Kindly do us the favour of persisting with your absence"What angers and surprises you is that now there is someone out there who catches them and throws them back at you. Me."You never surprise - you are entirely predictable. Nor do you anger. You're just an annoying house fly, endlessly buzzing around, getting nowhere.Your inflated self-importance would be droll, were it not so sad and tedious.Darts are sharp. That's the last thing anyone would say of your verbal incontinence. Sat 25 Jul 2009 12:35:45 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=54#comment63 Americans like Marcus are generally less tactful then the British like Justin except in some cases when they are both the same.. Sat 25 Jul 2009 12:25:50 GMT+1 squirrelist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=53#comment62 60. At 12:52pm on 25 Jul 2009, HesiodosI see. Yes, all things considered, I think I'd rather get old than turn into that sort of sausage. And I don't much fancy being a U-boat either. I don't like the idea of drowning. Tried that once. (Not intentionally, you understand.) Sat 25 Jul 2009 12:15:47 GMT+1 squirrelist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=53#comment61 61. At 12:56pm on 25 Jul 2009, alphamiguel Somalia? Well, it's simple really. You can only be certain "All things are for the best in this best of all possible worlds" if you can find somewhere that is indisputably worse. Sat 25 Jul 2009 12:11:56 GMT+1 alphamiguel http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=52#comment60 Darkside.When I mentioned that America is a Corporation and not a land mass you seemed to throw a hissy fit,why, I can't imagine.A history lesson: In 1871 things changed with regard to the constitution;If you look at The United States Code you will note that the capitalization shows, The Corporation not The Republic.Title 28 3002(15)(A) (B)(C)Also when I mentioned that those without medical insurance in America had the worst medical help in the world I meant in their world.So what on earth Somalia has to do with it beats me. Sat 25 Jul 2009 11:56:32 GMT+1 Hesiodos http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=51#comment59 Sciurus, "As long as I can carry on, I'll obviously never get to be an old member. Great!"Some of our "old members" have been turned into U-numbers lately. Is that connected with a certain Matteson commercial, one wonders. Sat 25 Jul 2009 11:52:46 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=50#comment58 CanardI traveled to the LA area about half a dozen times last year. While Europe is characterized by millenia of built up layers old filth, LA is characterized by sterility. I particularly noticed it in Orange County where not a blade of grass could grow crooked or a millimeter too long without being cut, not a leaf could fall from a tree without someone to catch it lest it lay on the ground, an unbearable eyesore. Los Angelenos are so sterile that they must acquire and ostentatiously display expensive material goods, the only means they have of differentiating themselves from each other. Substantively they are identical, interchangeable, and sterile just like the environment they manufactured to live in. Without a map, it's virtually impossible to tell where you are in that vast endless suburb. In all the time I was there, not one of them said one interesting or provocative thing. How refreshing it was to get back to New Jersey and see upon leaving Newark airport potholes and all kinds of construction debris strewn all over the highways, a reminder that the place is inhabited by humans and not robots....like the rest of America. BTW, I'm curious about something. Why do they use the word "the" when referring to intrstate highways? Take the 405 South to.... I noticed they did the same thing in Toronto Canada. Wierd affectation. What kind of place has a strip mall with two Starbucks in it (selling their unpalatable overpriced burnt French roast bean bitter coffee?) What kind of place has a store called "The Bakery" where you can't buy a piece of cake but instead sells "healthy" croissant sandwiches? Small wonder it's the home of eating alfalfa sprouts, humans eating cow fodder...when they aren't smoking pot or getting drunk. I'd sooner live in Alabama or Louisiana...but not in Europe.Mr. Webb, If you don't like Robert Frost because "you think" his language and ideas are racist, you'd better never read Mark Twain, one of our greatest authors and definitely not Huckleberry Finn. " and it was on his watch that the recession started and it was he who instituted massive bail-outs. You have a very short and selective memory."Canard, it is you who have the short memory. The bail out was passed by both houses of Congress, both of which were controlled by the Democrats at the time. What's more Obama's Secetary of the Treasury agrees with it although hindsight is 20-20 and I'm sure there are some things he wished had been done differently. Blaming the depression on one party or the other misses the point, that they both conspired for different motives to inadvertently engineer it. It is dangerous when they don't confront each other to challenge and limit the power of the other to screw things up. That's how checks and balances is supposed to work. It took both parties, a lot of career professionals like Greenspan and Bernanke, and a lot of time to damage an economy as strong as America's. No one group can claim all the credit for it.Doubled over in DublinI think most of you spend your time in pubs throwing darts. What angers and surprises you is that now there is someone out there who catches them and throws them back at you. Me.Mr. Webb, when you get back to London, do you really think you will be able to close your eyes and imagine that you are back in San Francisco? Whom are you trying to kid? Sat 25 Jul 2009 11:47:45 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=49#comment57 Dogs are more loyal than Cats. Cats will break your heart and make you cry. Dogs will always be true. Sat 25 Jul 2009 11:08:18 GMT+1 squirrelist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=48#comment56 Well, this seems an appropriate place to point out posting on this blog apparently guarantees perpetual youth. I seem to have become "a new member" whose posts "need to be checked bu a moderator". That's nice. As long as I can carry on, I'll obviously never get to be an old member. Great! Sat 25 Jul 2009 11:06:57 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=47#comment55 Jus, (pus, marcus)You should go to Hollywood to see the real American Dream(s)Al PacinoDog Day Afternoon TrailerA True Story Sat 25 Jul 2009 11:04:37 GMT+1 john-In-Dublin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=46#comment54 # 35 zoyla_rip_2000 wrote:"If felines ruled the world, we minions would spend all our time opening cans and cleaning out litter boxes. Letting them in, letting them out.""If"?;-) Sat 25 Jul 2009 10:40:40 GMT+1 squirrelist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=46#comment53 52. At 09:03am on 25 Jul 2009, BienvenueEnLouisiana What I was trying to get at was that our oft-cited cynicism (or realism?) about politics and economics, particularly, is too often mistaken for absence of determination, drive, positivity creativity or will. A trap which Justin's recent stay in California (of all places) appears to have led him into. Sat 25 Jul 2009 09:29:43 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=45#comment52 I Just Love The Way It SoundsAnd I made a rural pen, And I stained the water clear, And I wrote my happy songs Every child may joy to hear. the final stanza of the Robert Blakes poem Piping Down the Valleys Wild Sat 25 Jul 2009 08:09:43 GMT+1 BienvenueEnLouisiana http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=44#comment51 "this country is full of space and youth and and hope."Right you are Justin. We'll just have to see how our can-do spirit sees us all through the tough times we're going through. I have a feeling we will see some very interesting social and political changes in the US by the time Obama's presidency ends because his presidency will likely be as historically significant as Bush's.As for Robert Frost, I remember reading his works in middle school and high school; he was certainly a very talented poet.to saintDominick:Jindal accepting parts of the stimulus package is not really news considering he made it clear that he was not going to accept the parts of the package that required the Louisiana legislature to "temporarily" change state laws to make it easier for unemployed workers to qualify for benefits. "A temporary change in state laws" is really political code for the enticement of states by the Feds to change state laws for temporary cash, knowing full well that most state legislatures will forget or not bother to change the laws back.to carolinalady:New Orleans is still a place where the historic and the modern meld into something rather special.to squirrelist #46:I can understand the irritation; however, some of those obvious improvements may not be so obvious to other people, just as people on both side of the Atlantic can be jaded. Sat 25 Jul 2009 08:03:32 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=43#comment50 TimothyIt's not Obama's fault he was handed a basketful of rotten eggs by the incumbent Bush Cheney War on Terrorism and War in the East Republicans. The origins of the financial problems are the previous Government who short-changed and duped the country.It's do or die keeping your head above water when money is in short supply and it means downgrading lifestyles and services in a more restrained manner. Common strategies of frugality include the reduction of waste, curbing costly habits, suppressing instant gratification by means of fiscal self-restraint, seeking efficiency, etc.The profligate Republicans were able to spend money acquired by the thrift of their predecessors or ancestors and were too spendthrift spending money prodigiously and were extravagant and recklessly wasteful, ignoring domestic issues such as social development and investment. One should question and challenge the legality of the use and levels of military force to prevent or deter terrorist activity inside and outside the United States which incurred billions in costs.I hope americans will see the light and not blame Obama for his attempts. Remember that mad crowds of people crucified Jesus Christ and they sold Marcus Garvey for rice. Sat 25 Jul 2009 07:47:06 GMT+1 squirrelist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=42#comment49 48. At 07:48am on 25 Jul 2009, TimothyR444So pleased to see an entirely new point of view on this blog. Sat 25 Jul 2009 07:03:51 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=41#comment48 #48. TimothyR444: "There is certainly a great deal of space here, and youth I suppose."Which would, I suppose, indicate that you're not among the young or young thinkers"But hope right now is in short supply. Obama is popular enough in other nations, but his popularity in the US is in steep decline."That depends on which Poll you read; if it's Fox they'll agree, but Gallup does not. What president has kept his approval ratings so high, the previous incumbent certainly didn't - and it was on his watch that the recession started and it was he who instituted massive bail-outs. You have a very short and selective memory. Sat 25 Jul 2009 07:01:18 GMT+1 TimothyR444 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=40#comment47 There is certainly a great deal of space here, and youth I suppose.But hope right now is in short supply. Obama is popular enough in other nations, but his popularity in the US is in steep decline as the recession continues to deepen and his attempts to push through mammoth spending and an explosion of anti-business and anti-growth regulations are leaving the independent voters who were drawn to him in shock.He has turned into an old-fashioned, retrogressive tax-and-spend leftist. That is not how he ran for office.No US president can remain popular if he is strongly anti-capitalism and anti-business. No doubt that will bring the usual squeals and shrieks of shrill anti-American hysterics, but it happens to be true - and we have to live with it.The congress is joining him in slamming the small businesses that are the basis for much of the US economy with a bewildering mass of taxes, regulations and government intervention. That is not why they were elected. Sat 25 Jul 2009 06:48:17 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=40#comment46 #16. arclightt: your overall statement is right on track, and you put it very nicely! There's the land of gently rolling hills to the east of the mountains, which reminds me of Kansas."Thanks for the kind words, which reminds me that my favourite of all American patriotic songs, ridiculed by some Brits many months back, is America The Beautiful which really sums up the beauty of the United States. Even the melody, by Samuel A. Ward, can bring a tear to the eye.#39. MarcusAureliusII: "San Francisco . . . is unique but it is also clearly American. Chinatown has an Asian flavor, Little Italy Italian."You don't say! By the same token, Los Angeles has Koreatown, Little Armenia, Chinatown, Little Tokyo and so on. London has long had a Chinatown, and most of the great metropolitan areas have such enclaves."If I liked cities and chose to live in one, San Francisco would be one of my top choices."With your reactionary opinions, I very much doubt if they would allow you to stay."LA by contrast would be one of my bottom choices."Thank heaven for small mercies! Sat 25 Jul 2009 06:34:18 GMT+1 squirrelist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=39#comment45 45. At 05:40am on 25 Jul 2009, KScurmudgeonThat rather illustrates what I meant in 44.You know, where I take issue is with the assumption expressed fairly often around here that "being well aware and a little weary of the ways of the world" (and saying so and getting irritated when obvious improvements sometimes seem to take forever) is the same thing as being "jaded".I see plenty of pretty lively, enthusiastic and creative people (old and young, native and new) here in poor old overcrowded London. (And from what I see plenty of other places as well, though it's London I know best.)But then, we've been basically an urbansociety for almost a century; maybe it makes a different difference, if you see what I mean.If you say the glass is half empty a lot, it doesn't mean you don't think it shouldn't get filled up. Or never will. Sat 25 Jul 2009 05:40:22 GMT+1 KScurmudgeon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=38#comment44 I thought the Frost poem was very clever, even if it was not great poetry. We do not owe the Asians reverence any more, any more than they owe us homage. Everybody in the world will mass produce trinkets if they think they will sell. Everybody will take advantage of the next tribe if they can, steal what they can get away with, and glory over scalps, horses, and slaves.Being jaded is not the same as being sophisticated, and does not indicate the wisdom that should have been acquired from having 'been there'. Energy is one of the prime requisites for success and happiness, which is why nations need children, or when that fails, at least fresh immigrants. Yesterday I complimented a young woman I work with, who said that both she and her new husband grew up where they couldn't see the nearest neighbor's house. So often the country boy or girl goes to the big city and winds up in charge. (Marcus Aurelius being a notable exception.) A level head is harder to acquire in a pressure cooker - perspective requires some distance.For America's future, I agree with the comment that we need to return to thinking as citizens again, and not just as consumers. Too often I see us and much of the developed world as cattle fattening in a fenced pasture - kept, fed and bred to produce someone else's milk, butter, and steaks. Or wool, lamb and occasional diversion, according to your chosen metaphor.Let the little man improve his own lot, let the great man amass his fortune. So long as they complement each others efforts, America will remain one of the most glorious experiments in human history. KScurmudgeonin the middle of all the glory Sat 25 Jul 2009 04:40:52 GMT+1 squirrelist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=37#comment43 Actually, I see I've not been too clear. What I find distasteful is that, especially given the way the previous thread developed towards the end, is that in those circumstancesthat poem can be read very easily two ways. Sat 25 Jul 2009 03:26:23 GMT+1 squirrelist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=36#comment42 40. At 03:38am on 25 Jul 2009, SamTyler1969Don't think anyone mentioned sheep. That would be beastly. (As in Q: "Describe the customs and manners of Roman Emperors"; A: "Customs beastly, manners none.") Sat 25 Jul 2009 03:16:29 GMT+1 squirrelist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=35#comment41 1. At 09:57am on 24 Jul 2009, Scotch-git Ogden Nash was a far better satirist. With a sense of humour. (Sorry, 'humor'.) Frankly, I think the Frost doggerel is merely distasteful. Sat 25 Jul 2009 03:11:01 GMT+1 SamTyler1969 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=34#comment40 This post has been Removed Sat 25 Jul 2009 02:49:05 GMT+1 SamTyler1969 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=33#comment39 #31Taff,If you are a bloody lout, I'm a Dutchman. I mean, darn it, how dumb could a Roman be? You can' try to insult anyone from Wales or New Zealand wihout mentioning sheep. It is the way of the world.P.S. I know that the sheep jokes would never apply to you. That would be 'The other valley'.Smiley Sam Sat 25 Jul 2009 02:38:47 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=33#comment38 I lived in the San Francisco Bay area for five years. I lived and traveled in Europe for nearly two. San Francisco is not like Europe at all. It is unique but it is also clearly American. Chinatown has an Asian flavor, Little Italy Italian. It seems like there is a street festival atmosphere there in many places all of the time. It's very scaled down compared to New York City. Where New York is overwhelming, San Francisco is managable, it's slow enough and small enough to exist on a human scale. If I liked cities and chose to live in one, San Francisco would be one of my top choices. It also does not get the blistering heat of the East Bay or the South Bay in the summer. LA by contrast would be one of my bottom choices. LA has too much sameness. One place in it looks just like another. It's is a vast suburb spread out within grids defined by its freeways. One of California's problems is that it doesn't know how to live withn a budget. Its government has spent billions more each year than it has taken in for at least the last 30 years which is why it is bankrupt. It is frivilous spending money on non-essential goods and services...like social welfare for anyone and everyone including illegal aliens. In the South Bay Area where I lived, every town seemed to have its own community college and the courses were just about free. Now it will have to face the reality of its predicament and deal with it. It's bonds are reduced to junk status. Sat 25 Jul 2009 02:33:19 GMT+1 squirrelist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=32#comment37 31. At 11:11pm on 24 Jul 2009, ukwalesHow kind. This tree rodent, when dispirited (as of late) goes shopping down the Virtual Mall, while poring over the end of Iran. . . Sat 25 Jul 2009 02:19:50 GMT+1 U14075704 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=31#comment36 Koroviev,Ehy not give us a true classic?That's better! Sat 25 Jul 2009 02:08:18 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=30#comment35 SaltaireSam (#3), "Spare the Air" days are not sponsored by San Francisco, but by the Bay Area Air Quality Management District, created and funded by the State of California. Sat 25 Jul 2009 00:34:08 GMT+1 zoyla_rip_2000 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=29#comment34 If felines ruled the world, we minions would spend all our time opening cans and cleaning out litter boxes. Letting them in, letting them out. Planting, harvesting, drying catnip. There would be no death and destruction. Except that of very small rodents. The bird population might suffer too. And the furniture. But no bombs or guns would be permitted because of the loud noises. Sat 25 Jul 2009 00:02:06 GMT+1 gunsandreligion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=28#comment33 Gosh, did you guys ever think that perhaps he is actually your lawyer,and that death and destruction was not in the original plan?Shows what happens when you give primates too much authority. Back to thedrawing board. Felines next? Fri 24 Jul 2009 23:41:59 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=27#comment32 re 32 zoyla_rip_2000 & God Class ActionAbsolutely this will be a class action lawsuit due to the air of misery, abandonment and sadness which remains. It has everything to do with life that reveals the negative value of death that proves to us all our views and some nuances and sensations of life. We are young with little experience but are hungry for huge bucks in the lawsuit against God for death so detested, which is the executioner of life. Fri 24 Jul 2009 23:02:41 GMT+1 zoyla_rip_2000 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=26#comment31 Koroviev -May I please be a party to the lawsuit? I am not normally a litigious person but the death and destruction has gotten way out of hand and may push me over the edge too. Fri 24 Jul 2009 22:12:23 GMT+1 hms_shannon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=26#comment30 Hi SQUIRRELIST.Thanks for the invite to the kitchen.Tryed to gain access but my steam powered colossus "DELL"or the dinosaur at 58 operating it could not get in.May be just as well,as I would not want to leave,eat all the hob nobs & slurp tea from my saucer putting the other folk right off. There are some very gracious types on this blog,gentlefolk who have patience & consideration to others,who do not have their width & depth of knowlelge or intelligence,Sam T,I Foreigner,Hedsiodos & Your self to name a few off the top of my head there are others. To keep up with the drift of things takes time,& at the moment I risk disappearing up my own exhaust pipe,I am unable to do so.I was so pleased MA called me a bloody lout,aka the old Contemptables.UK Wales bloody lout,I love it.They do not know how we tick,what!!. With what you endure & to remain so positive & cheerfull,you are an inspiration. My very best wishes,from, UK,W,B,L. Fri 24 Jul 2009 22:11:47 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=25#comment29 19.21. Blog Rage with gunsandreligion Sorry Guns but it was that annoying noise that pushed me over the edgeI'm suing God for widespread death and destruction so I want an injunctionagainst the man upstairs. I am making a political point against theConservatives who push their narrow and bigoted views through theCourts.I Came I Saw I Conquer Fri 24 Jul 2009 21:45:58 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=24#comment28 What's WrongWith TheYouths? Fri 24 Jul 2009 20:12:36 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=23#comment27 Gabby (adjective): full of trivial conversation Fri 24 Jul 2009 20:04:18 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=22#comment26 Justin,This is probably what is missing :-You don't understand our love for.. .. So Many Innuendos. Fri 24 Jul 2009 20:01:57 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=21#comment25 The best thing about san francisco is that it s not oakland. That bay bridge is a bridge too far. Fri 24 Jul 2009 19:41:20 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=20#comment24 #24, and everyone knows it's seattle that's just like back home. Fri 24 Jul 2009 19:39:55 GMT+1 U14078849 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=20#comment23 10 ~ tehWe record temperatures in centigrade in the UK - and it has been pleasantly warm all summer, although maybe slightly breezier in coastal resorts such as Brighton.It was sad to read Justin Webb's swipe at San Francisco which must be one of the most fascinating cities in the world. His unfortunate remark managed to denigrate both San Francisco and his "home" country - which doesn't really bode well for future relations with the folks he is soon going to be talking to. Fri 24 Jul 2009 19:25:02 GMT+1 moderate_observer http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=19#comment22 If the US is to remain a dominant force in the world then they will have to rely on the power of their mind and innovation. Trying to outcomplete China and India in the cheap labour market is ridiculous. Japan is one of the world's largest economies, despite it's size and despite being obliterated in world war 2. Currently the US, and north america as a whole has been slow to innovate since the 1980s due to influential members of the political landscape doing their best to protect certain industry from harsh competition. That is why the US is still dependent on foreign oil to drive the economy despite learning the lessons of the 1970s oil shortage. You will believe the US is the world leader in technology until you take a trip to Tokyo and see how far they have come. Things like 3g wireless technology which is just being implemented in north america, has been in japan and other parts of asia for 5 years maybe more, , their trains are faster, their cars are better , a country so denseley populated uses their minds to develop solutions to their complicated problems because it is their only defence.There needs to be more focus on the sciences and math in schools, kids need to spend more time in school also ( a few years ago i noticed that the US has less school days than many countries in the world). Their needs to be more focus on having quality graduates, not just making the work a little easier so as to let the statistics look better. The US has some of the world's best universities however the secondary level of education is surely lacking. That should be the focus of the future, education, it should not be acceptable that you have children in schools with the roofs cracking and leaking over their heads or ones where they need to be going through metal detectors before being admitted into the classroom. Fri 24 Jul 2009 19:24:12 GMT+1 ghostofsichuan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=18#comment21 I would think that America is becoming more European with the development of institutional governmental and business corruption. Except for New Jersey that has always perfered the Chinese style of corruption. In America one generation feels no obligation to continue the follies of their parents so there may be hope. Would hope for a period of reform where the people rejected the current political crop of vile liars and passed laws that would curb both the size and influence of the banks...but won't happen....as with all great countries they rot from within and you can almost smell it. Insurance companies and Healthcare industry just B****Slapped the Senate to make sure the overly expensive and corrupt industry maintains control. Sec. of Defense and Senators on TV begging the defense industry to stop ripping off the taxpayers until the financial crisis is over...not many good signs on the road to recovery. Fri 24 Jul 2009 19:19:18 GMT+1 U14075039 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=17#comment20 19. gunsandreligion Something to do with that Bible again. God, that books caused a lot of trouble in the past couple of thousand years. God is a ManYes, this is angry Friday. You wanna make something of it?[Update - so supposedly the US bent a little. But not so much that the Bush government's industry paymasters need to worry. And the pernicious principle that developing countries have to meet emissions reductions or the US takes its toys home remains, despite the lack of any concrete commitment to support them in doing so.] Fri 24 Jul 2009 18:56:33 GMT+1 Hesiodos http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=16#comment19 Get your hankies readyAwwwwwww!Pure Iowa Corn, but hey! Fri 24 Jul 2009 18:17:26 GMT+1 gunsandreligion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=15#comment18 Actually, the reason why God created the Sierras was to keep overpopulation from spreading too far east. The Eastern Sierras are California's real jewels,and likely to remain so, as long as some fool doesn't discover gold or oil there. Fri 24 Jul 2009 17:40:46 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=14#comment17 You never think of the place you grew up in as being extroardinary. You consider it normal that your native city gets four inches of rain every month of the year, or that the weeds in your backyard are maple trees. You know the fall coloring is unique because everyone tells you so. To you it is just home. You visit the painted desert and the giant redwoods and enjoy the spanish moss and the scent of honeysuckle of the southern states. It is different from your native northeast, but is still "home."It is not until you travel the world that you become aware of the intense natural beauty of America. Our massive urban areas are merely interruptions in the landscape. Some South Africans visited us when we were living in northern New Jersey. It was fall and a banner year for color. They were overwhelmed and could hardly speak. They had never imagined that leaves could be saffron and pink and blue and purple and blood red. The America they heard about was New York City, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Wall Street and vast industrial complexes. Our public relations people should get to work on the real America. Fri 24 Jul 2009 17:40:23 GMT+1 Hesiodos http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=13#comment16 John Muir liked California, but I expect he might have preferred the less overcrowded bits, and I'm not at all sure he'd like all the cars in Yosemite....John Muir and The Master Builder"Yosemite Park is a place of rest, a refuge from the roar and dust and weary, nervous, wasting work of the lowlands, in which one gains the advantages of both solitude and society. Nowhere will you find more company of a soothing peace-be- still kind. Your animal fellow-beings, so seldom regarded in civilization, and every rock-brow and mountain, stream, and lake, and every plant soon come to be regarded as brothers; even one learns to like the storms and clouds and tireless winds. This one noble park is big enough and rich enough for a whole life of study and aesthetic enjoyment. It is good for everybody, no matter how benumbed with care, encrusted with a mail of business habits like a tree with bark. None can escape its charms. Its natural beauty cleans and warms like a fire, and you will be willing to stay forever in one place like a tree." Fri 24 Jul 2009 17:04:58 GMT+1 arclightt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/07/space_youth_and_hope.html?page=13#comment15 With regard to the Bentleys, I recall going to a restaurant in the LA basin and seeing "the Bentley row" where all the Bentleys were parked, and the "RR row" where the Rolls-Royces were parked, and the "common area" where the Corvettes, the BMWs, and the like were parked.My poor truck with antennas on it would have been parked in back, next to the garbage cans, I suspect (grin).@6 (DC): "There really is more, far more, to California than Baghdad-by-the Bay and La-La-Land: it is regrettable that you did not avail yourself of the opportunity to report on the state of life in the most populous (and important) state in the Union."David, I might debate the "most important" part of your comment (all the states are important in my pea-brain), but your overall statement is right on track, and you put it very nicely! There's the land of gently rolling hills to the east of the mountains, which reminds me of Kansas. There's also the desert lands in the southeast (I'm thinking around Edwards AF Base) which have a desolate beauty I have never seen anywhere else. The people in those places are for the most part gentle and helpful and disengaged to at least some extent from some of the unusual behavior on the coast. Truly it's a wonderful place to visit, and for a time I really wanted to live there, but the horrendous cost of housing and some of the social pieces discouraged me from doing so. Of course, I wound up close to the Capitol, and the housing is horrendous and some of the social pieces discourage me (grin)... Fri 24 Jul 2009 16:37:19 GMT+1