Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html en-gb 30 Thu 30 Jul 2015 03:25:10 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html wantmyfreedom http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=99#comment352 I think an honest person who works for the good of all people, not just a specific group, would be the ideal candidate.Honest, good moral character, outstanding work ethics. It should not be about the skin color.We need a leader, not a dictator. Mon 27 Jul 2009 01:14:40 GMT+1 Rapturiana http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=99#comment351 This post has been Removed Wed 15 Jul 2009 06:12:41 GMT+1 William1950 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=99#comment350 A post O'man win says to both parties that neither has any leadership, ideals or new ideas. After forty years of two party central government run by business it is time for new insights into government and new, not from the same old and failing leadership.The American people, the MiddleAmerican2010, understand they are the core of America. They will have to pay and have had to pay for Republican and Democratic failure in leadership. These hard working Americans are looking at both real political parties and now see that they are not for America or for the working Americans.Yes, the republicans have no new names in the lead, neither do the Democrats. That is because the have no new ideas, they are not separate parties and worst they have lost sight that they should have been pro-American instead of trying to destroy the very people who elected them.MiddleAmerican2010 and proud of the fact I am for America and not a Democrat or Republican party. Wed 08 Jul 2009 03:28:31 GMT+1 mikeywes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=98#comment349 As a independent voter.....the Rs need to break to mold of the 1990's and the bush years....they are constrained by a narrow view of the world and of politics..hence the word conservatives.....there is at least one articulate, famous and possibly intelligent newcomer who would scare me...and dont laugh....Tom Brady of the New England Patriots...telegenic, articulate and a natural winner and leader...everyone else has the baggage of the past and is full of the negative hate spewed mantra that represents the Rs of today Sun 05 Jul 2009 21:24:04 GMT+1 tedlotring http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=98#comment348 you miss-understand. Palin/Jindal/Huckabee truly represent the gop as it currently exists. a party of White Male DopeS [with a couple of tokens]. the WMD party will hopefully go the way of the WHIGS.zeno-phobia, racism, sexism,hared and milatarism are the no longer an afequate basis for a political party. Sun 05 Jul 2009 19:27:42 GMT+1 brooklyntaurus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=98#comment347 As long as the Republican party refuses to expand from it's traditional powerbase to include new,younger and "browner skinned " Americans,they will continue to be outside the proverbally political wilderness.It is so incredible how out of touch the Republican party is with modern day America.It seems to many people that the GOP only cares about big business groups and wealthy people.They just cannot connect with the things that most average Americans care about. Sat 04 Jul 2009 19:41:55 GMT+1 U14058382 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=98#comment346 If it is true that Palin will be running the long distance to become prez, then maybe the republicans and democrats are really working together and don't care who winsWe don't need no Re- Ron (B-Movie) running again Sat 04 Jul 2009 14:34:15 GMT+1 krishnamurthi ramachandran http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=97#comment345 Dear,Mr.Justin,Well and wish to hear the same from you.After reading your blog-Republican!s lack of leaders in America are more or less true picture.I have been watching,listening of all existing active members from Republican party from BBC.news channel,from American newspapers like The New York Times,The Washington Post,New Jersy News,Huffington Post and from leading,populr websites,and from my American friends on day today political events,views,probable political equations in larger extents.From your article, i came to understand that,not much interests shown by major leaders,or from major fans.If all parameters suits to Mr.John Thune,and Mr.Bobby Jindal ,then they will be the candidates for American Presidency in 2012.If my prediction goes true,then i will be a eligible to get first prize.As on today, Mr.Obama is going popular,stronger day by day.Very difficult to get a new no.one speaker for any viable alternative. Sat 04 Jul 2009 09:40:26 GMT+1 U14058382 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=97#comment344 This post has been Removed Fri 03 Jul 2009 19:27:04 GMT+1 junkgwicz http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=97#comment343 Rupert Murdoch will let us know who the next Republican leader is via his vast "news" network(s). Right now it's interesting that Dick Cheney's daughter is getting a lot of air time. It's probably too early to tell. As a voter,(and former conservative)I can only say that, I wish a third party would surface. The neo-cons destroyed all confidence. Fri 03 Jul 2009 18:23:48 GMT+1 U14054759 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=96#comment342 Seven I'm with you. therepublicans claiming fiscal responsibility should be laid to rest. there is only a difference in what they spend the money on. GW had his wars. GW snr had his reagan had the war on drugs.Obama wants to spend on healthcare and services for the people.(not church services) Thu 02 Jul 2009 22:39:46 GMT+1 seven839 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=96#comment341 ...because many are aware of their own bankrupt philosophy and deceptive economic lies...republicans (via Gingrich pathetic lies and insults) dare to criticize Obama spending when in fact EVERY REPUBLICAN president starting with Reagan created huge deficits while preaching restrains, it was Clinton who created a surplus...Obama cannot balance budget because of Bushs extraordinary debt repayment commitments...it is republican philosophy that have created an environment of unregulated greed and an environment that rewards financial speculation instead of production...Enron, Boesky or Madoff are their babies... Thu 02 Jul 2009 20:39:10 GMT+1 U14054759 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=96#comment340 Storm cat Glad to see you hate Palin as much as I do. Just imagine after the witch doctors and separatist Alaskan Independence party issues and her Oh so greta family gets paraded around as examples of sound judgement she will not feel any worse then it looked like she felt when John McCain forgot to invite her on stage.And to all that say Obama is doing what he was elected to do.you seem to be right.He walks the line of democracy better than anyone thought he would(well some had faith from the start).Trying to please all whilst pulling back on those that would race away from the traces.. Justin has regularly missed that about him, both before and since the election.Or he has tried to hide it in the reports. Thu 02 Jul 2009 17:39:44 GMT+1 maffitt47 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=96#comment339 Obama is doing such a credible job faced with such disatrous foreign and domestic problems inherited from the last administration, I can't think of any Republican young or old who could present a serious challenge. In order to attract serious new talent, perhaps the Republicans should stop goose stepping behind the likes of Limbaugh and the other right wing squawk show hosts. Then perhaps the middle of the road voters (like me) would look at them more positively. Perhaps its time for the US to have a third party targeting the rest of us. Thu 02 Jul 2009 15:25:15 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=95#comment338 335. At 11:54pm on 01 Jul 2009, stormcat4u wrote:In Greek Mythology Nemesis was the goddess of retributive justice. My vote is for Sarah Palin to replace Obama in 1912. This would be just punishment for her terrible treatment by the press and other Obama "worshipers." IMHO2I think Obama shares your hope that she runs. It would be like shooting fish in a barrell, though to be fair she might have actually asked someone what her job would involve by then. Thu 02 Jul 2009 12:38:07 GMT+1 allmymarbles http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=95#comment337 "Mark Sanford let me down too."Really, Justin, what does a person's sex life have to do with his (or her) ability to to do the job he was elected to do? A large proportion of ment and women in their married lives have been unfaithful. Should a teacher be thrown out of her job because she had a roll in the hay with her butcher, or an accountant be fired because he slept with his second cousin once removed? Why this unrealistic and hypocrytical double standard?Having said that, I get a giggle when a televangelist or a holier-than-though elected official is caught enjoying the vices he rails against. I love to see them humiliated because they are dishonest. Perhaps Worse than these hypocritical philanderers are their characterless wives who "stand by their men." In real life there would be a huge argument, or packed bags, or a skillet to the noggin. Thu 02 Jul 2009 08:33:52 GMT+1 KScurmudgeon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=95#comment336 335. At 11:54pm on 01 Jul 2009, stormcat4u wrote:'In Greek Mythology Nemesis was the goddess of retributive justice. My vote is for Sarah Palin to replace Obama in 1912. This would be just punishment for her terrible treatment by the press and other Obama "worshipers." IMHO'IMHO, it wasn't the Obamites, it was her Republican handlers, who turned her into a cartoon of the sort of figure they imagined their rednecked base would like. I thought, and think, she has promise, and that the Republican leadership doesn't have a clue who their 'faithful' really are.KScurmudgeon Thu 02 Jul 2009 05:24:13 GMT+1 Ross Nicholson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=94#comment335 This post has been Removed Thu 02 Jul 2009 05:11:26 GMT+1 stormcat4u http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=94#comment334 In Greek Mythology Nemesis was the goddess of retributive justice. My vote is for Sarah Palin to replace Obama in 1912. This would be just punishment for her terrible treatment by the press and other Obama "worshipers." IMHO Wed 01 Jul 2009 22:54:49 GMT+1 stormcat4u http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=94#comment333 Sarah Palin, BO's Nemesis. Wed 01 Jul 2009 22:38:36 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=94#comment332 sohner (#332) "I don't know of a modern-era President that was a Congressman."John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford. Wed 01 Jul 2009 17:02:59 GMT+1 sohner http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=93#comment331 The nominee in 2012 depends on what the Republicans want to do.I think that if they're purpose to make a statement, go with Gingrich, Paline, or Jindal.From what I've read, the the Massachussettes universal healthcare fiasco blew it for Romney.If they want to win the White House, I would go with Colin Powell or John Boehner.Between the two, I have to go with Powell. I don't know of a modern-era President that was a Congressman. Wed 01 Jul 2009 16:30:26 GMT+1 OldSouth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=93#comment330 Better we learn now that Mark Sanford is an idiot who can't keep it in his pants.Republicans, unlike the Democrats, do think that this sort of thing matters. The Dems shamed themselves defending, and now idolizing, Bill Clinton.I wish Fred Thompson were five to ten years younger. I doubt he will try again, even though he was spot on about the challenges we face.A dark-horse choice: Bob Corker, who has quietly been very effective in difficult circumstances. Had he been heeded last December, GM and Chrysler bankruptices could have likely been avoided. Tue 30 Jun 2009 18:12:47 GMT+1 U14054759 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=93#comment329 arclight I couldn't agree more about the baby boomers.they even invented the phrase "spending kids inheritance"some do it on a local home front level and others, though not mutually exclusive,do it on a national level.Either way they should start giving some back. Tue 30 Jun 2009 17:39:52 GMT+1 U14054759 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=92#comment328 "The latter is no different in it's desire to commit genocide against Jews. And the Palestinian silence on that is deafning"says a kirin.That may be because they are deaf themselves due to low level sonic booms and their vocal cords are damaged by the "air"."Europe seems so far to agree with China's and India's position which is that they did not cause it and therefore they should not have to make any sacrifices to their economies to stop it. If that is the bottom line, don't expect much from the US either."It is. America used most of what has been used so far. until they accept that and do their best without preconditions to other countries to clean up their acts Americans will still be called all sorts of well deserved names. and you will still seem to be really anti European.but are you really as anti economic sense as you seem. Green technology if not hampered by the dinosaurs of the baby boomer generation that gave up their dream would be the top selling export. but it is not because people kept saying "cannot be done".when the rest of the world is already doing it it will be too-late for America to benefit. Your advice seems to be the equivalent to those that said "video games will never make you money"why not get into sliderules instead. as if I were some ancient engineer. The world moves on Marcus. you can sit where you are and watch it get smaller or jump up and try to catch up. Tue 30 Jun 2009 17:34:15 GMT+1 DJ-In-Illinois http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=92#comment327 Finding a suitable Republican presidential candidate is more or less a moot point. The Republican party is going to stay in a downward spiral until they hit rock bottom. There is no place in the party for "old school" conservatives who want to put aside the fanatical dogma and stick with policies proven to work. We are forced to hold our noses and go along with Obama. The Republicans keep offering the same Bush rhetoric that got us into this mess.Right now, the Republican policies are dictated by media gasbags and pushed by a coalition of social activists (Palen) and financial cowboys (Romney). For the Republicans to regain their credibility they must acknowledge the Bush/Chaney disaster, jettison the Foxoholics and Rush-fanatics, then create a positive message with some substance behind it. The Republican party is living by the adage "Pessimists are never wrong. It just hasn't happened yet." Tue 30 Jun 2009 16:54:07 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=92#comment326 arclightt (#326) "The Congress sets the budget, not the President."I believe you are mistaken. Here is a link to a description of the budget process:http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/usgd/budget.htmlThe President submits a budget to Congress. While the Congress, in principle, can do whatever they like with it, in fact they merely argue about the details. When the Congress is not of the same party as the President, those details may be significant, however Reagan was a popular president, so got his way in most respects. While I agree with you that Congress has been irresponsible about the budget, I believe that when the government is divided, it is the President who is most responsible. That is why the debt to GDP chart correlates so well with presidential terms.Irresponsibility in Congress has always been there, but it was 1981 when the debt really got out of control. If you look at national debt adjusted for inflation, it is constant in the period from shortly after WWII through 1980. This was an extended period of increasing prosperity in the US, without paying off the debt. There is nothing wrong with being constantly in debt if it doesn't grow out of control. The problem we have now is that the debt has grown so large that debt service has become a much larger part of the equation. And more of the debt is held overseas, in places such as China. I don't believe it is in the power of any one president to fix this problem in eight years. I'm hoping we make some progress on it, however.Your comment about the influence of the dot-com boom and bust on the numbers during the Clinton era is interesting, but I'm not sure I buy it yet. The boom started about 1998 and the bust was 2001. Yet GDP has gone up nearly every year, with only a couple of small declines in 2001. If you are saying that the reduction in debt to GDP in the 1990s was due to an artificially inflated GDP, I don't see it. That doesn't mean I think you must be wrong. Needs further investigation.As for athletes, I complain about their salaries. Baseball used to be affordable for a family outing. Now it's not, unless you live in a minor league town. Tue 30 Jun 2009 16:46:21 GMT+1 arclightt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=92#comment325 @318, 319 (GAH): Gary, you don't have to roll over. I reviewed the data at the link you provided (thank you for that). You blame the Republicans. That is factually incomplete. During the 1980s under both Reagan and Bush, the Democrats controlled the House for the entire time, and the Senate for all but 2 years. The Congress sets the budget, not the President. If the Congress under the Ds had been concerned about the size of the debt, they would have stopped Reagan by forcing him to balance the budget. They were not and did not, as is evidenced by their behavior both before and after Reagan and Bush were in office. I also recall (with frustration) watching on NBC news a Democrat senator standing up after the San Francisco earthquake in 1989 and saying, "I don't want to declare this off-budget like we did with (Hurricane) Hugo. I want the American People to Stand Up and PAY FOR THIS THING". I thought to myself at the time, "You mean we AREN"T going to pay for Hugo, you "leader of the people", you???"Gary, the Congress has been irresponsible about the budget for a long time. It is continuing to be irresponsible. To assign all the blame to one party is inexcusable. To assign it to BOTH of them is accurate.I have made comments about the Baby Boomers because (a) I am one and (b) as I view their performance relative to the benefits that they had as they began adulthood, I am forced to conclude that they have squandered more than they have produced, and to an elevated degree value things that have no long-term value. As an aside, the statement that the debt shrunk as a factor of GDP under Clinton is useless...that only happened because $3 trillion (!) of 401K money was shoveled into the "dot.com" boom/bust. If that irresponsible, no-business-plan stupidity had not happened, I suspect the debt would NOT have shrunk as a function of GDP.Your comments about excessive compensation also apply, by the way, to professional athletes and professional entertainers, but I don't hear anyone complaining about the salaries they draw down. Is it because many if not most of them (particularly in the entertainment space) vote Democrat? Tue 30 Jun 2009 11:57:39 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=91#comment324 Simple Simon #322You deliberately misquoted me by citing only part of my posting in such a way as to make it say exactly the opposite of what I said so here is the quote in full;"Obama has few in industry convinced that dealing with climate change won't cost the American economy a lot of money and Americans will not make unilateral sacrifices."I know I made you look like the fool you are.The quote is worthless, who in American industry feels this way, what is meant by American industry?The car industry? - We don't like your ideas Mr Obama, can we have another $5 billion?Ho ho"If the energy tax (cap and trade) bill that just barely passed in the House was voted on in the Senate today, it would be dead on arrival. In fact it isn't even clear that it would make it out of committee. It would be an unmitigated disaster for the US economy if it became law as it is written. And it wouldn't make even a dent in stopping or slowing global warming. We know that is exactly why Europeans want it passed. I don't think it will have much chance though, not unless China and India change their tune and Europe forgoes its usual hypocricy and starts living up to its obligations. I'm not holding my breath waiting for either to happen. "Your problem is that your prejudices undercut everythiig you say.You cannot accetpt that Obama is a masterly politician. He will get the bill passed - he will simply time it well and present it when it is likely to succeed.The majority of Americans like the majority of people everywhere don't care. Tue 30 Jun 2009 07:30:34 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=91#comment323 Simple Simon #322You deliberately misquoted me by citing only part of my posting in such a way as to make it say exactly the opposite of what I said so here is the quote in full;"Obama has few in industry convinced that dealing with climate change won't cost the American economy a lot of money and Americans will not make unilateral sacrifices."If the energy tax (cap and trade) bill that just barely passed in the House was voted on in the Senate today, it would be dead on arrival. In fact it isn't even clear that it would make it out of committee. It would be an unmitigated disaster for the US economy if it became law as it is written. And it wouldn't make even a dent in stopping or slowing global warming. We know that is exactly why Europeans want it passed. I don't think it will have much chance though, not unless China and India change their tune and Europe forgoes its usual hypocricy and starts living up to its obligations. I'm not holding my breath waiting for either to happen. Tue 30 Jun 2009 01:34:01 GMT+1 american grizzly http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=91#comment322 " While these sentiments are not 'largely confined' to the South, neither are arrogance, hatred and hypocrisy. let me remind you that arrogance, hatred and hypocrisy are as well represented on the Left as the Right of the spectrum. (your post would make a good demonstration of that, it seems to me...)" KScurmudgeonBravo, you hit the nail on the head. Personal accountability is a double standard, as well as comments made. Congratulations to the RICCI case, discrimination! Equal protection under the law, title 7 is an affront to the 14th amendment. Sotomayor was wrong, and bias is quite evident, this could very well fracture the country with someone like her with a life appointment. Mon 29 Jun 2009 23:51:44 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=90#comment321 315. At 6:28pm on 29 Jun 2009, MarcusAureliusII wrote:climate change won't cost the American economy a lot of money and Americans will not make unilateral sacrifices. Either everyone does or America won't."You had better send a memot to this effect to Mr Obama. One doesn't get the impression he is actually listening to youCan't think why. Mon 29 Jun 2009 22:56:44 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=90#comment320 Here's a story on the subject of who paid for the trips: LA TimesTo summarize, Sanford paid for this most recent trip with his own funds. An earlier trip was an official business trip to Brazil and Argentina, paid for by the state. He has offerred to pay for the Argentina leg of the trip.It appears to me that he mixed pleasure with business on a business trip. That is not unusual, and it puts the matter of the cost into a gray area. It's not at all the same as if he took an entire personal trip at state expense. Mon 29 Jun 2009 22:14:17 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=90#comment319 saintDominick (#319) " ... he used taxpayers money to pay for his trip to Argentina."That question has been raised, but has it been established? Where? Mon 29 Jun 2009 22:04:28 GMT+1 saintDominick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=90#comment318 Ref 281, Neil"I do not care about the SC governor committing adultry"The problem with Sanford goes well beyond adultery, he used taxpayers money to pay for his trip to Argentina. The fact that he offered to return the money after he was caught does not excuse his behavior. His chances to run be nominated by the GOP in 2012 are nil. Mon 29 Jun 2009 21:39:33 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=89#comment317 Here's a link to that US National Debt site again: http://zfacts.com/p/57.htmlThe US National Debt, adjusted for inflation, was approximately constant from shortly after WWII until about 1980. It was during the presidencies of Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, both part of the "Greatest Generation," that the national debt tripled. Our first "Baby Boomer" president, William J. Clinton, brought the debt down (relative to GDP), but our second, George W. Bush, sent it up again.The fix we are in today isn't due to Baby Boomers, it's due to Republicans, and to Reaganomics in particular. Mon 29 Jun 2009 19:51:04 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=89#comment316 arclightt (#316), I can tell you that I, for one, am not going to roll over on this. One reason that most taxpayers are in revolt is that the middle class has been losing ground while a relative handful of the elite has been skimming the cream. Obama pointed this out awhile back in relation to the problem with financial problems. He said he could understand why some people might make 20 times the salary of an average person, as was once the case, but not 200 times. (From memory - the numbers might have been a little different.)Another contributor here tried to make a generational warfare thing out of this, as if the "baby boomers" were responsible. I don't buy it. Mon 29 Jun 2009 19:33:30 GMT+1 arclightt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=89#comment315 @299 (StD): I couldn't agree more. I have wondered for a while what sacrifice the Baby Boomers were going to be asked to make, in the same vein that the Greatest Generation made. I now know, I believe: The Boomers are going to be asked to sacrifice their financial future and their plans for retirement for the sake of stabilizing the currency enough to allow their children and grandchildren to remain free. Whether or not they will actually make the sacrifice is yet to be seen. Mon 29 Jun 2009 19:11:44 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=88#comment314 Seanspea; no, you read me say that President Obama will have to convince China and India that they will have to do their fair share of the sacrificing if they want the US to cooperate in trying to stop global warming. Europe seems so far to agree with China's and India's position which is that they did not cause it and therefore they should not have to make any sacrifices to their economies to stop it. If that is the bottom line, don't expect much from the US either. Obama has few in industry convinced that dealing with climate change won't cost the American economy a lot of money and Americans will not make unilateral sacrifices. Either everyone does or America won't. Mon 29 Jun 2009 17:28:14 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=88#comment313 "307. At 4:29pm on 29 Jun 2009, MarcusAureliusII wrote:It won't take much Republican leadership in the Senate to kill the carbon cap and trade energy tax bill."So you are saying the bills are safe then? Mon 29 Jun 2009 17:23:37 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=88#comment312 311. At 5:05pm on 29 Jun 2009, MagicKirin wrote:ref #296Dominick I have stated the difference between Islam and Islamic-facism which is what Hamas and Hezbollah practice.The latter is no different in it's desire to commit genocide against Jews. And the Palestinian silence on that is deafning"And because they are "silent" that is reason enough to kill their children?You believe because somone doe not make the statemetns you like that entitles you to starve them, deny their children medical aid?You think the more Palesitnians the Israelies kill the more they will be liked?Let's deal with your silence on Avigdor Lieberman and his attempts and that of his gang to "deal" with Israel's own citizens who do not fit his ethnic criteriaLet us have your views or are you too ashamed to state them? Dershovitz won't help you now. Mon 29 Jun 2009 17:22:12 GMT+1 foxtrottango1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=88#comment311 #309, SeanpaShucks, the MA11 just wants us to be one of his boys, so to speak. Obviously, he has no friends. Must be lonely upstairs.What's the old saying? "friends like him, who need enemies?"Yes indeed, he can be amusing. Mon 29 Jun 2009 16:35:10 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=87#comment310 ref #296Dominick I have stated the difference between Islam and Islamic-facism which is what Hamas and Hezbollah practice.The latter is no different in it's desire to commit genocide against Jews. And the Palestinian silence on that is deafning Mon 29 Jun 2009 16:05:36 GMT+1 lochraven http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=87#comment309 Mon 29 Jun 2009 15:49:35 GMT+1 seanspa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=87#comment308 Did I just read MAII says that we are all in this together? Mon 29 Jun 2009 15:39:39 GMT+1 foxtrottango1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=86#comment307 #296Shades of TR Theodore's "walk softly and carry a big stick." The theory of the "splendid little wars" is back. History repeats itself, after all. Is it wonder why the right wing in America speak so well of the Honduras military take over?The right wing elite and the military have decided it was time to return the country to nothing more than a banana republic, after all. It obvious Fascism is alive and well in Honduras. It also obvious they couldn't cope with the change a duly elected president was doing, so it was "democracy" at the point of a gun, again! The very few elite capitalist rich (who, by the way, have their loot stored in US banks) and the military didn't want to chance the forthcoming votes so it became a military coup. Negroponte, you rule again.But the biggest surprise is, the OAS went along with the military coup. Is it any wonder why Cuba turned down membership with the OAS? He flatly just didn't like the company it had. I just wonder on whose payroll the OAS is.What's going to happen now. Another "guerrilla" war, perhaps. Latin America doesn't deserve that. Mon 29 Jun 2009 15:36:41 GMT+1 MarcusAureliusII http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=86#comment306 It won't take much Republican leadership in the Senate to kill the carbon cap and trade energy tax bill. The Senate voted down Kyoto during the Clinton administration 95-0. Perhaps it will be a little closer this time but probably not much. It will penalize all states that make money from mining coal, extract natural gas, or produce power or use power from fossil fuel plants which happens to be....all of them. It will increase the cost of gasoline, home heating, air conditioning, industrial production, and will do nothing to create jobs or slow global warming. At least the Obama Administration was clever enough to exempt agriculture which is very energy intensive. Practically every state produces some farm products and it is America's number one export. I expect a loud debate and the bill to get blown away. Trying to disguise this as a jobs bill and not an energy tax just won't work. I think it's a lost cause. Obama will have to do a lot better if he hopes to get the US Senate and the American people on board. He can start by persuading China and India that the US will not act if they don't make their fair share of sacrifices too. However we got here, we are all in it together. BTW, Europe has been strangely quiet about global warming since China became the number one CO2 producer in the world and the EU leaders stonewalled the press over their use of the highest CO2 emitting personal vehicles available on the market. Now why do you suppose that is? Mon 29 Jun 2009 15:29:41 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=86#comment305 #296. MagicKirin: "Your question does not merit a response regarding my being a practicing Jew.'Since you won't answer the question, I can only assume that you are not; a practicing Jew would be proud of his ancient heritage and the discipline needed to live it. However, I'm beginning to think that you are not one individual, but a cover name for a (probably) small group of like-minded persons. Sometimes spelling and phrasing are atrocious but at others they are near perfect, as above. As far as I am concerned, the subject is closed, although I do not expect that your confusion about opinion and attacks will abate. Mon 29 Jun 2009 14:54:35 GMT+1 verycynicalskeptic http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=86#comment304 In the weird where did that come from topic that has spawned on this blog that was supposed to be about who is going to be the new republican leader (I think Satan would be most suited if he was not FICTIONAL), just for clarification about terms 'Biased' - 'Hater'- 'anti-Semitic'. These now all just mean how dare you disagree with me now shut up Most commonly used in the USA but spreading to more civilised countries as well. In a similar vein you can take those reinvented medieval words Redacted, Heinous and other absurdly pretentious usages back and keep them on your side of the pond. Stop pretending to be grown up please its embarrassing. Mon 29 Jun 2009 13:53:15 GMT+1 ghostofsichuan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=85#comment303 The Republicans are a wierd lot. Overtly religious and telling everyone about our moral shortcomings. When confronted with their own behaviors they always remind us that God offers forgiveness, that is for Republicans who go astray, not Democrats. The, do as I say, not as I do crowd are forever being caught with their pants down. Limbaugh was lucky that the Bush/Cheney crowd was in office when his illegal drug abuse was sited. Republicans are the party of the morally confused and facist right. They may offer up someone in 2010 but not anyone acceptable to the majority of Americans. I think Palin remains the most popular among them and that should tell you something about their chances. No one better to assure a large Democratic turnout. Those Republicans who are thinking about a future will stay out of the race. Of course, corporate America will have a candidate with funding but most believe that the Republicans have been taken over by the religious right and therefore the hopes of victory are slim until fiscal conservatives can regain control or start a new party. The bankers will probably put someone forward to make sure they are not regulated and that the current "loans" are forgiven.....for the good of the country of course. Mon 29 Jun 2009 13:40:35 GMT+1 john-In-Dublin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=85#comment302 # 280 David_Cunard wrote: [of the wait for Kirin to provide factual evidence for his personalised smears]"It's a long wait until hell freezes over."AgreedHe also addressed Kirin"If you are referring to my post at #254 (edited above), it was there for quite a long time, and I feel sure that you read it. That leads me to suspect that someone complained about it. My guess is that someone was a poster whose name begins with "M"."I second that guess, from my own experience. Mon 29 Jun 2009 13:20:36 GMT+1 john-In-Dublin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=85#comment301 # 281 neil_a2 wrote:"The problem with the teleprompter is that Obama needed them during his "debates". When forced to ad-lib, Obama shared legal boilerplate. (Obama's responses looked pretty shallow in the transcripts.)"We heard much from the Reps before the 3 Presidential debates about how Obama was only a great speaker when he had a teleprompter. [Why do you refer to them in inverted commas? Do you dispute that they were debates?] Then he was held to have beaten McCain, his far more experienced rival, in all 3 debates, by most pundits and most of the public, according to the polls. Youmay consider his answers to have been 'shallow', or 'shared legal boilerplate', whetever that is. They worked. He won. "(I do not care about the SC governor committing adultry.)"That's your choice. What the voters think is rather more important. However, as I understand it he has run as a 'family values' type, and been ready to condemn others in a similar position. Hypocrisy is never an attractive quality. "Obama will not lose the nest election. He has ACORN working on his behalf. It does not matter how Americans vote, ACORN will see him through."You perhaps have evidence that they affected the vote last year? Perhaps you're going to tell us that Obama actually got 500,000 votes less than McCain, but that ACORN used their influence with the Supreme Court to get Obama into the White House.I'm kidding of course. As if that could ever happen..."Republicans ought to run "Joe the Plumber". At least the debates will be more entertaining./In fairness, Joe's thoughts and views are a lot more honest, direct, and detailed than Obama's.""In fairness"??? I don't think so."Joe's thoughts and views are a lot more honest, direct, and detailed than Obama's". I'd love to see some evidence of that. According to the Huffington Post, he recently suggested Sen C Dodd be lynched. [Link here - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/26/joe-the-plumber-suggests_n_221631.html] Of course, Magic tells us that the Huffington Post is a "hate sight" [sic], so maybe we shouldn't believe them? He also apparently said ""Let me give you another extremist view, 'In God We Trust,'" he said to wild applause. "Say that too loud in some parts of America and you will be shot. It's terrible." So while I thought he was a simplistic fake, clearly I was wrong..."So Justin, I propose "Joe the Plumber"."So, I'm sure, does Obama...."I do not think Obama will be able to defend his actions in 2012. By then, Obama will have appointed a "Media Czar" that reports directly to him to manage and edit any debates before presentation."Yes, and he'll also be beaming liberal thoughts into our heads - unless we have our special hats on.... Mon 29 Jun 2009 13:17:45 GMT+1 john-In-Dublin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=84#comment300 # 275 Takeshi wrote:"Why weren't the media asking similar questions about future leaders within the Democratic party a few month after President Bush was elected in 2000? Barack Obama had no national profile at that time but I don't recall any similar stories about a lack of new young leaders."Three possibilities occur[a] The meeja is full of liberal-commie-pinko-gay-muslim-radicals, who hate the Republicans[b] It was less of a burning issue, since the Democrats got half a million more votes than the Reps in the presidential election.[c] They were, and your memory is faulty"Bobby Jindal and Sara Palin are two younger governors with already established national profiles and support within the party. Shouldn't a journalist already know this?"I think you can take it that J Webb has heard of both Jindal and Palin - he has posted on them. Whether he considers them realistic contenders to beat Obama is another issue... Mon 29 Jun 2009 12:56:25 GMT+1 john-In-Dublin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=84#comment299 # 270 MagicKirin wrote:"ref #268As the moderators removed the previous personal attack they must agree."Indeed. Presumably you are referring to your own postings at # 189, # 234 & # 245, all removed by the Moderators? Since I saw the latter before it was removed, and quoted from it, I assume it was because of your personal attacks and libellous smears in said posting. I don't know what their reasoning was behind removing the other 2, as I didn't get to read them. Pot, kettle...[In case anyone is interested, my posting at # 202, where I ventured to cast doubt on Magic's theory that the Mods were inserting spelling errors into his postings, was referred to the Mods - presumably by MK. They clearly in their infinite wisdom thought it was OK, as it now stands unmoderated.] Mon 29 Jun 2009 12:50:20 GMT+1 saintDominick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=84#comment298 Ref 298, SeanI am afraid we need a lot more than talented Republicans or Democrats. What we need - as a people - is fiscal discipline and common sense. The problems facing California, Florida and so many other states are the result of people refusing the pay for the services they want. A solution may be to have a referendum in which we list all the services we get from our state government and ask people which ones they are willing to fund, which ones they want to reduce by a specific percentage, and which ones they want to eliminate. There are no free rides, if we want something we have to pay for it. Admittedly, that is a concept so revolutionary to the credit card generation that suggesting it would be an invitation to a mental hospital. Mon 29 Jun 2009 12:39:57 GMT+1 sean33z http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=84#comment297 The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania needs young, talented Republican Leaders. Ed Rendell faces this Tuesday's budget deadline, without a clue. He insists on a tremendous increase of personal income tax for revenue. Rendell's special interests want the tax money. Why allow a corrupt politician destroy a prosperous state? England founded PA on frugality and honesty. Mon 29 Jun 2009 12:25:38 GMT+1 saintDominick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=83#comment296 AmericanGrizzly"Saint DomHELLO we hit Afghanistan! We invaded Iraq for WMD"Yes, we invaded Afghanistan shortly after 9/11, but it didn't take us long to geet our eyes off the ball and focus instead on the more lucrative Iraq. The diversion allowed Al Qaeda, our true enemy, to reorganize and become more dangerous than ever.Regarding the WMD and the nuclear weapons that Colin Powell showed the world at the UN, Al Baradei, UN and US inspectors, as well as France and Germany assured the Bush Administration that all had been destroyed. The whole thing was a ruse to pursue a neocon goal that existed since long before 9/11.Ref 296, MagicCongratulations for your consistency in advocating the demise of the indigenous people of the Americas, stifling democracy and freedom, and supporting the despotism of right wing military dictators. Mon 29 Jun 2009 12:17:58 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=83#comment295 ref #280Your question does not merit a response regarding my being a practicing Jew.It reminds of Jessie Jackson and other African American actvists questioning if Barack Obama was black enough.congratulation to the people of Hondures for overthrowing their dictator may the Venezuelans and Bolivians follow suit. Mon 29 Jun 2009 11:55:22 GMT+1 saintDominick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=83#comment294 Ref 291, MagicYou continue to mix a religion, Islam, with political parties or philosophies, and accuse Hamas and the Palestinians of practicing genocide without evidence of such thing. You may want to familiarize yourself with Islam, fascism, the Nazi party, and look up the definition of genocide before you make claims that reveal nothing but ignorance on your part. The fact that President George W. Bush linked these terms does not validate his conclusion, which was unfounded and illogical.Modern examples of genocide include the Holocaust, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Darfur, etc. If anything, it is the Zionists that could be accused of genocidal tactics although doing so would, clearly, be an exaggeration.Islam, fascism and nazism have nothing in common. I suspect the people you emulate were well aware of the incongruity of their statements, and use it simply to offend and convey their cultural and religious intolerance and overt hatred. Mon 29 Jun 2009 11:05:07 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=83#comment293 291. At 10:27am on 29 Jun 2009, MagicKirin wrote:ref #288 and 290I see you are still doing personal attacks.I was refering to the fact that the Hamas philosophy and other Islamic facists of genocide against another ethnic group is the same as the Nazi's last century.The fact that the Palestinians and their supporter refuse to repudiate this hate shows they are unworthy of any support."The fact that the Israelies elect a far right government which repudiates peace and wishes to introduce apartheid ( a nazi derived philosophy) among their own citizens and extend land stealing shows that any who support5 them are deeply corrupt and racist Mon 29 Jun 2009 10:40:22 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=82#comment292 274. At 01:48am on 29 Jun 2009, Interestedforeigner wrote:DC, J-in-D, St. D, et al.,This is off topic, but you might be interested in reading this paper:"Prospects for Iran's 2009 Presidential Elections", by Walter PoschThe Middle East Institute Policy Brief, No. 24, June 2009It is available in PDF format on line, without a subscription. I tried to post the link on the other string but the moderators wouldn't let it through.In rebuttal to some rather misleading postings on this blog last week, it pretty much demolishes any idea that the Iranian elections weren't fudged, and much else."Does it? Not the document I read, it seems to show Mousavi's credentials were a bit confused to say the least.And his projections have been wrong, it often happens. Mon 29 Jun 2009 10:29:49 GMT+1 SaintOne http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=82#comment291 #291You seem to miss the point that the same "philosphy" can just as easily be applied to the Israeli's. There is no black and white in this arguement, stop trying to paint the Israeli's as the victims and the Palestinians as the villains. Similarly, I would suggest those that argue the opposite stop doing the same. Mon 29 Jun 2009 10:26:52 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=82#comment290 ref #288 and 290I see you are still doing personal attacks.I was refering to the fact that the Hamas philosophy and other Islamic facists of genocide against another ethnic group is the same as the Nazi's last century.The fact that the Palestinians and their supporter refuse to repudiate this hate shows they are unworthy of any support.Good foriegn news (although Obama is wrong side again) was the removal of the Hondures dictator by the courts for trying to remain in power illegally. I hope this inspires the people of Venezuela and Bolivia to do the same. Mon 29 Jun 2009 09:27:28 GMT+1 SaintOne http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=81#comment289 #288You need to take in in context;a) He is Jewishb) He is paranoidAs for the Nazi argument, well its quite ridiculous. I would say you could switch the roles and it would amke for a far more accurate mirror. The nazis had a larger military force and rounded up the jews to kill them. The Israeli's have a larger military force, and have trapped the Palestinians in Gaza and have killed a large number.I wouldn't call the Jewish Nazi's though, because neither the Israeli's nor the Palestinians have commited a crime as substantial. But you can't go around calling people your scared of Nazi's in a pathetic attempt to justify killing them. Mon 29 Jun 2009 09:18:34 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=81#comment288 #288. beerontap: "not all Palestinians are not terrorists" is still a little confusing. Do explain."See #280. A waste of time even asking. Mon 29 Jun 2009 08:01:09 GMT+1 U14052605 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=81#comment287 169. At 11:23am on 27 Jun 2009, MagicKirin wrote:ref #167How about Israeli being our allie against this centuries Nazis the Palestinians and other Islamic facists. Please dont give me the line that not all Palestinians are not terrorists. They have made no attempt to get rid of Hamas and have an honest peace dialouge which would include reperation to Israel for 50+ years of terrorism.A true parasite we give money and other resources to is the U.N"this comment is highly offensive to all with a sense of proportion or decency. the fact that a post criticising it was removed is very odd. Nazis have not been around for centuries.The double negative " not all Palestinians are not terrorists." is a hard one to follow. "not all Palestinians are terrorists" I would get. this statement would be true"not all Palestinians are not terrorists" is still a little confusing. Do explain. Mon 29 Jun 2009 05:34:37 GMT+1 KScurmudgeon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=81#comment286 193. At 4:49pm on 27 Jun 2009, foxtrottango1 wrote:"let us look at the issue of ignorance."'Only in the US and then it's largely confined to the Bible Belt where all the bible thumping, flag waving wanna-be super patriots re-born "Christians" is the arrogance, hatred and hypocrisy possible. And on a huge scale, I might add. It's a region where the term "God" is used loosely for political, profit (and forgiveness, of course) and full scale hypocrisy exists. These individuals come very close to proving there is no God to speak of.'foxtrot, I live in that Bible belt, and I am one of those - the correct term is 'born again' Bible thumpers. You are right - evangelical Christians are active here 'on a huge scale'. While these sentiments are not 'largely confined' to the South, neither are arrogance, hatred and hypocrisy. let me remind you that arrogance, hatred and hypocrisy are as well represented on the Left as the Right of the spectrum. (your post would make a good demonstration of that, it seems to me...)Except for hypocrisy - for that, I am sure you are aware, one must first make a commitment to a standard of conduct, and then fail to live up to that standard. Christians are much more at risk, then, than the irreligeous, and 'loud mouthed' Christians more so, as our scriptures warn us. You are right again, then, only among us is hypocrisy even possible. And 'these individuals' you describe use the word 'God' in ways that show they are ignorant of the word's meaning - hardly any evidence of its truth.But only the notorious among us make it onto the front pages where good liberal folks like yourself take notice of them. There are still the millions who remain in the shadows of the forests and the mirages of the prairies, living lives not so unlike your own, struggles, successes, failures, joys and miseries - but also lifted up by forgiveness for each other, and an unreasoning hope. Please don't forget or deny us our honor along with your scorn. 'But the truth might be that not only "ignorance" but also arrogance, hatred, bigotry or racism is a double edge sword. It poisons the mind of everything it comes in contact with.'I agree - that is my understanding as well. 'After all, these "American" neo-conservatives will never like, much less love you, but they sure in hell will respect you if one treats them the way they treat others!'These neo-cons have shown that they 'will never like, much less love' - or understand - conservative, bluecollar Americans, either. But vile behavior is not necessary - just don't vote for them again. I didn't.KScurmudgeon Mon 29 Jun 2009 05:02:36 GMT+1 U14052605 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=80#comment285 This post has been Removed Mon 29 Jun 2009 04:41:34 GMT+1 U14052605 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=80#comment284 284 neil a2 I have just read your posts I would not read too much into what you say. It seems a little strange especially seeing as you seem to think america was subject to the same travesty of justice and democracy that the poor people of Iran suffer. And yet most seem to think that it was unique to the Iranian elections. "truth be told "it was a stolen election in the USA? my god.this is going to cause some of your fellow countrymen some distress.Will they show the same determination for justice as we saw in Iran. Mon 29 Jun 2009 04:10:47 GMT+1 neil_a2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=80#comment283 Michelle's title changed and her salary tripled when her husband became a senator. This is normal for Chicago politics.I would not read too much into her professional merits to warrant this consideration. Mon 29 Jun 2009 03:54:49 GMT+1 american grizzly http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=79#comment282 "The problem with Obama I feel is that he is trying too hard to be a "nice" guy with the ignorance, arrogance and downright bigotry hurled at him and his wife by the likes some of those in these posts." Foxtrottango1 Naw I think Obama is a moron like Bush. Both nice but morons, flowery speeches (he can speak well, with the telepromter, better than Bush), developed his views with radicals, some racist Wright, Sharpton. Passed a law to protect whistleblowers, then fired one in deference to his own doing. Supports ACorn, a Special Action type group, thugs, opportunists, etc. Public funds a create no substantial job stimulus package but a tax burden for the future. Spouts nonsense about a nationwide police force (Gestapo? Acorn?) Try to take credit for Iran, and hides out to public opinion, lies about AIG bonuses, until public opinion. Hides on North Korea, escalutes Afghanistan, changes policy to put more US forces in harms way there. Bails out private messes, GM, Chrysler, now Ford I hear. Airforce one buzzes New York, with fighter jets in tow. Kow tows in Saudi. What has he done that is note worthy? What has he accomplished? Point out the bright points of his Messianic star? All the Obambot say is he is popular, we like him, gallup polls. The US populace doesn't want GM. Obama made a secretive proposal to Russia, they put it out in public. What a laughing stock. Kosovo, Georgia, Obama and Biden made fools of themselves there. Oh, the Albanians loved him for giving him the Serbian land.... As a Georgian dictator tries ethnic domination with US support laying waste to cites there...Was he outraged? The European couldn't even fess up in Georgia. But he kill a fly, and PETA got angry. LOL that was the only time I was on his side. I thought PETA was ridiculous, but that is my opinion. SO GET THE US FORCES OUT OF AFGHANISTAN. I also think NATO has gone beyond being defensive as an organization and expensive to the US. The same with the UN. The US pays exorbitant amounts. When has the UN accomplished anything with its flowery speechs, North Korea? THE US NEEDS A THIRD PARTY, demo and repub are stagnant, corrupt entities. "The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of the limitation of governmental power, not the increase of it." Woodrow Wilson Mon 29 Jun 2009 03:32:47 GMT+1 U14052605 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=79#comment281 majickirin could you explain how you have so much anger for Michelle Obama?It really seems to be very strange. No one else seems to care.I have never heard someone complain that Michelle Obama had a well paid job.I think you need a beer mate!Relax enjoy a warm frothy head of lager and relax. She is a succesful woman who probably deserved being overpaid no more than any other executive or board member. I suspect that they got more value from her than many of the other people holding similar possitions. She after all had to fight people attacking her all the way, I suspect.Nice Lady she seems. If she ever gets to Canning end she will be welcome. However I suspect you wuld be required to drink a couple before you came in. Mon 29 Jun 2009 03:22:17 GMT+1 neil_a2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=79#comment280 The problem with the teleprompter is that Obama needed them during his "debates". When forced to ad-lib, Obama shared legal boilerplate. (Obama's responses looked pretty shallow in the transcripts.)(I do not care about the SC governor committing adultry.) Clinton committed perjury, witness tampering, evidence tampering, and obstruction of justice in response with his adultry. That was considerably more than just adultry.Obama will not lose the nest election. He has ACORN working on his behalf. It does not matter how Americans vote, ACORN will see him through.Republicans ought to run "Joe the Plumber". At least the debates will be more entertaining. In fairness, Joe's thoughts and views are a lot more honest, direct, and detailed than Obama's. I do not think Obama will be able to defend his actions in 2012. By then, Obama will have appointed a "Media Czar" that reports directly to him to manage and edit any debates before presentation.So Justin, I propose "Joe the Plumber". Mon 29 Jun 2009 03:11:43 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=79#comment279 # #251. john-In-Dublin: "We're waiting."It's a long wait until hell freezes over. My question at #228 has not had a response and so, as far as I can tell, MagicKirin doesn't follow the dictates of his faith yet feels persecuted for no good reason; he's Jewish in name only - but I stand to be corrected. His defence of Israel is similarly misplaced.#270. MagicKirin: "As the moderators removed the previous personal attack they must agree." If you are referring to my post at #254 (edited above), it was there for quite a long time, and I feel sure that you read it. That leads me to suspect that someone complained about it. My guess is that someone was a poster whose name begins with "M". If that poster did read it, I wonder what offended her or him? Could it be that I suggested you were not a practicing Jew who doesn't follow the dictates of his faith yet feels persecuted for no good reason? I do not see how that can be considered an "attack". Mon 29 Jun 2009 02:52:31 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=78#comment278 #243. squirrelist: "What's this latest stuff got to do with potential Republican leaders? Can't you give it a rest?"[I had responded earlier but someone had complained about another part of the same post, about which see immediately below.]Because in reference to Condoleeza Rice as a potential candidate, MK called the First Lady a parasite. Since he continually references Israel, a nation which, since 1949 [Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator]has received $135 Billion and provides nothing of substance in return, I suggested the same term might apply to it. Hence "the latest stuff". But as MK stated "Sanford is done" and in any case it is far too early to forecast a Republican candidate. Time for a new topic. Mon 29 Jun 2009 02:51:08 GMT+1 american grizzly http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=78#comment277 "You may be kidding, but your theory may not be that far fetched. Geography has never been our strong point; if in doubt consider our decision to retaliate against the Wahhabist terrorists that carried out 9/11 by attacking and invading Iraq. You'll be surprised how many people still think they are one and the same." Saint DomHELLO we hit Afghanistan! We invaded Iraq for WMD.... No Obama wants to waste US lives, and money again in Afghanistan. We have been there 8 years. BRAVO to Germany PM, no more troops, no more money for Afghanistan. YES we have improved Afghanistans infrastructure, and they have increased poppy production quite a bit. So unless Obama supports illegal drugs, doesn't mind using Marines as cops and targets, then get out now. I now have my new t-shirt about Obama's War. All the comments have been positive, the Obambots have hung their heads and stumble for words. Plus people asked me where to get one...movement...in a different direction...." Old predictions by I forget who..I apologise.."Great Britain will spread itself out of existance.Germany will arm itself out of existance. America will spend itself out of existance." Who said that??? Could it be true????"The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail-its roof may shake-the wind may blow through it-the storm may enter-the rain may enter-but the King of England cannot enter!-all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement!" William Pitt Thank you, with liberty and justice to all, the loyal opposition......ask how many in a Gallup poll who said it and what it was about! Mon 29 Jun 2009 02:41:21 GMT+1 american grizzly http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=78#comment276 Well the President of Honduras was ousted due to trying to change the Constitution of Honduras, so he could stay president. HMMM! Obama supports him, does that mean Obama would like a Constitutional change here so Obama could stay President???? Only time will tell. Just remember Obama brings a double standard into play, with AL Sharpton(remember the Tawana Brawley racist stunt/victim ploy) as his first visitor, Reverend Wright as his mentor, and close friend so Obama said... As far a parties both are so corrupt it is incomprehensible to envision a noteworty future. By the way for all those that seem to use personal attacks as a plan for quelling descent. I will be picking up my new handgun at the end of next week. so:"I wonder if they'll ever understandThe trials of a freedom seeking manSo have a round on me my friendWhat else can we doYou know I always love yaBut I think it's time that we flewWe went dancin' across the USAOn that crazy king's highwayToo much passionToo much playWe went dancin'...dancin'...dancin' across the USA" thank you Lindsey Buckingham Mon 29 Jun 2009 02:21:30 GMT+1 american grizzly http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=77#comment275 "I don't know how old you are but this retiree can assure you that I received a $250 stimulus check from Social Security last month. Doesn't sound like much but it helped pay the co-pays for the medication I need." Saint DomAgain a stimulus package is not a percentile increase of social security, after you spend the $250, that is it. Next year you receive no 2% overall increase. So basically you don't have that follow you until the end of your life so to speak helping you all the way along. Complain about this comment Mon 29 Jun 2009 01:58:17 GMT+1 Takeshi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=77#comment274 Why weren't the media asking similar questions about future leaders within the Democratic party a few month after President Bush was elected in 2000? Barack Obama had no national profile at that time but I don't recall any similar stories about a lack of new young leaders.Bobby Jindal and Sara Palin are two younger governors with already established national profiles and support within the party. Shouldn't a journalist already know this? Mon 29 Jun 2009 01:34:53 GMT+1 Interestedforeigner http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=77#comment273 DC, J-in-D, St. D, et al.,This is off topic, but you might be interested in reading this paper:"Prospects for Iran's 2009 Presidential Elections", by Walter PoschThe Middle East Institute Policy Brief, No. 24, June 2009It is available in PDF format on line, without a subscription. I tried to post the link on the other string but the moderators wouldn't let it through.In rebuttal to some rather misleading postings on this blog last week, it pretty much demolishes any idea that the Iranian elections weren't fudged, and much else. Mon 29 Jun 2009 00:48:01 GMT+1 squirrelist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=77#comment272 248. At 12:52pm on 28 Jun 2009, saintDominick wrote:Ref 246, SquirrelThe answer is to become a "born again" Christian, which exonerates you from all sins and prepares you for new adventures.Like going to confession? Do you start off all nice and shiny and clean, and gradually get dirty with age? That would explain a lot, I suppose. How many times can you be 'born again'? Mon 29 Jun 2009 00:23:59 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=76#comment271 #265. MagicKirin: "how long are you going to let David_Cunard and John in dublin get away with personal attacks?"What "personal attacks" have I made upon you? Just type the number if you can find any. I have asked a couple of questions to which, so far, you have not responded. How those can be considered attacks are beyond me. You do Judaism no favours, which is shame, because a level-headed discussion might be worthwhile. Throwing around accusations of 'hate' does not help the debate. Mon 29 Jun 2009 00:03:40 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=76#comment270 ref #269Regarding Coulter and Limaugh, I agree to some extant. But remember that President Obama and all the Dems went to a Daily Kos conference. And the Kos is far more hateful ( I think some of the posters here work for them) than Limaugh. Sun 28 Jun 2009 23:15:41 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=76#comment269 ref #268As the moderators removed the previous personal attack they must agree. Sun 28 Jun 2009 23:13:54 GMT+1 saintDominick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=75#comment268 Ref 264, MagicAbsolutely, it is way too early to draw any conclusions. Too many things could happen between now and 2012 that could either strengthen or weaken President Obama's electability, and the same goes for all potential GOP candidates. I believe what Justin is looking for at this early stage is opinions about who win the GOP nomination, besides the obvious frontrunners. I believe there is a good chance that a new face may emerge, if nothing else because the message being put forth by the old no longer resonates among the electorate. Since, it is almost a foregone conclusion that President Obama will run for re-election, the question is who has a chance to win the GOP nomination?I disagree with those that believe the Republican party is finished and does not have a chance in 2012. They simply have to find a qualified, honest, and charismatic candidate capable of running on traditional social and fiscal conservative values to challenge an incumbent President that is likely to remain very popular. The first step they must take is to tell Limbaugh and Coulter to cool it. They make the party look like a bunch of middle school bullies. Sun 28 Jun 2009 22:34:29 GMT+1 john-In-Dublin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=75#comment267 # 265 MagicKirin wrote:"Question to Justn [sic] and his moderators:/how long are you going to let David_Cunard and John in dublin get away with personal attacks?"Really - you couldn't make this up.At # 245 - quite rightly moderated - he libellously, and vilely, with no evidence, called Marbles and myself anti-Semitic. Specifically, he said that we were guilty of pushing "lies and hatread [sic] against Jews and Israel". He actually said "people like John and Marbles" - so no doubt he had a few more targets in mind that he didn't name. A blatantly 'personal attack', by any normal standards. [Not unlike calling Michelle Obama a very ignorant parasite, which he also did.] I called him on this. I pointed out that the anti-Semitism smear is a disgraceful tactic, which he uses again and again. I asked for one jot of evidence. As ever, answer came their none.[Ironically enough, another nonsense he loves to repeat, without of course ever providing evidence, is 'you can't make any criticism of Obama, or his supporters call you a racist'. Pot, kettle....] And now he plays the victim and goes crying to the Mods.Reminds me of the old one of the guy who says 'I don't like one-armed waiters.They can dish it out...But they can't take it.' Sun 28 Jun 2009 22:07:14 GMT+1 Simon21 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=75#comment266 259. At 8:18pm on 28 Jun 2009, Gary_A_Hill wrote:Everyone attributes the origin of the term "antisemitism" with Wilhelm Marr, not merely Almog, and associates the use of the term with reference to Jews, not to Semitic peoples generally. For example:http://www.yale.edu/yiisa/mission.htm Dismissing a source as "dubious" is no substitute for finding an authoritative source with a contrary opinion."The word's origins are not relevant in its modern context. Wales was originally a very derogatory term , now it is used officially.People of the Sioux nations respond to the term, though it too was derogatory (ditto apache).The only meaningful use of the word is as a reference to semitic religions, the greatest of which is Islam.Many of the comments about Islam, the Palestinians etc on this board are plainly anti-seemeetic.It has been said that if it ever wants peace (and there is no real sign Israel does, it's political elite needs conflict) Israel needs to abandon its own anti-semetism.origins, the word equally applies to all semites and seemtic religions. Sun 28 Jun 2009 21:42:44 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=75#comment265 #262. gunsandreligion: "DC, I was actually trying to draw a humorous comparison with Sen. Larry Craig,who, gay or not, managed to make his whole world implode upon itself."Thanks for the clarification - unless emoticons are used (not generally seen here) it sometimes difficult to distinguish between sly humour and meaningful opinion. Craig is a sad human being - wide stance indeed!! Sun 28 Jun 2009 21:05:46 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=74#comment264 Question to Justn and his moderators:how long are you going to let David_Cunard and John in dublin get away with personal attacks? Sun 28 Jun 2009 21:03:45 GMT+1 MagicKirin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=74#comment263 ref #256Although people are running for the nomination now it is far to earlier. Remember that for the first 1.5 years after Bush won his second term, every major commentator said Hillary would win the nomination.So a lot could happen by than. Someone could come out of no where or they could be another scandal. Note earlier on McCain look like he would not get Republican nomination either. Sun 28 Jun 2009 21:02:07 GMT+1 saintDominick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=74#comment262 Ref 259, Gary"Everyone attributes the origin of the term "antisemitism" with Wilhelm Marr, not merely Almog, and associates the use of the term with reference to Jews, not to Semitic peoples generally."My hobby, since I retired, has been genealogy which by necessity includes the study of history, geography, ethnicity, migrations, sociology and other related topics. The intent of my original comment on the subject of semitism was simply to highlight the fact that, technically, the Jewish people are not the only ones with semitic ancestry. I don't consider Mr. Marr's assertion a reflection of ignorance. I suspect it was a deliberate attempt to deny his inconvenient neighbors their heritage which, by default, make them people without a country they can call their own. You are absolutely correct in saying that we - the West - use the term in conjunction with the Jewish people, which as incorrect as calling descendents of Aztecs or Quechuas "Hispanic". Sun 28 Jun 2009 20:16:10 GMT+1 gunsandreligion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=73#comment261 DC, I was actually trying to draw a humorous comparison with Sen. Larry Craig,who, gay or not, managed to make his whole world implode upon itself. Sun 28 Jun 2009 19:50:27 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=73#comment260 #259. Gary_A_Hill: "Dismissing a source as "dubious" is no substitute for finding an authoritative source with a contrary opinion."I hardly think a Freemasonry site or part of Yale are "authoritative sources" to support your notion. Who is everyone? The hyphen and capitalised S are not there for nothing. Ask Vanessa Redgrave; she's just as authoritative! Sun 28 Jun 2009 19:50:00 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=73#comment259 #257. gunsandreligion: "I don't see what all the fuss is about. At least he's not gay"An unfortunate choice of phrasing. Unless of course you actually mean it. Sexuality has no place in the discussion, only ability. Sun 28 Jun 2009 19:28:26 GMT+1 Gary_A_Hill http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=73#comment258 Everyone attributes the origin of the term "antisemitism" with Wilhelm Marr, not merely Almog, and associates the use of the term with reference to Jews, not to Semitic peoples generally. For example:http://www.yale.edu/yiisa/mission.htmDismissing a source as "dubious" is no substitute for finding an authoritative source with a contrary opinion. Sun 28 Jun 2009 19:18:09 GMT+1 gunsandreligion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=72#comment257 actually, I retract the part about limbs - apologies to anybody who ishandicapped, Sun 28 Jun 2009 18:08:52 GMT+1 gunsandreligion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=72#comment256 I don't see what all the fuss is about. At least he's not gay andactive in public restrooms in airports.Pretty soon, the qualifications for politicians will match those for voters;four straight limbs and a thumbprint. Sun 28 Jun 2009 18:02:06 GMT+1 saintDominick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=72#comment255 Ref 255, JohnThe fact that Gen. Petraeus does not have political experience will be viewed by many as a plus. Many of us are sick and tired of politicians who promise us the world and do something entirely different after they are elected. The only thing Petraeus would have to do to chore up his police experience limitations would be to choose a moderate Governor or Senator, preferably a female, such as Snowe, Collins or Hutchinson and President Obama would be in serious trouble. Not only would he be facing a "hero", he would also be confronting acceptable female VP candidates.Under such circumstances Obama will have no choice but to dump Joe and get Hillary on his ticket to have a fighting chance. Fortunately for Obama, none of this is going to happen, the GOP will nominate either Romney or Palin which, barring a major international or domestic disaster, would guarantee Obama's re-election. Sun 28 Jun 2009 17:48:58 GMT+1 john-In-Dublin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=71#comment254 # 249 saintDominick wrote:"The GOP has plenty of popular politicians who are likely to run for President in 2012 including Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Tim Pawlenty, Haley Barbour, and Ron Paul. The problem is that their ideology and track record only appeals to small segments of the electorate and could, therefore, be easily defeated by Barack Obama if nothing catastrophic happens between now and then./The bleak scenario facing the GOP could change dramatically if someone like General Petraeaus retired, became a Republican, and decided to run for President in 2012. Should that happen, President Obama would likely be a one-term president working on his library in Chicago."Really?Firstly, I'm not entirely convinced that Obama will easily beat any of the Reps you named even if 'nothing catastrophic happens'. If the economy doesn't improve, or doesn't improve enough, who knows what may happen? Mind you, though Obama may have been unlucky to get into office at a time of recession, in one way he's lucky. Imagine if the economy had imploded a few months AFTER he came in, rather than before. Who can doubt that the Reps would have insisted it was all the fault of his commie-socialist-pinko policies? He also benefits from coming in after Bush. In particular, it makes it much harder for the Reps to claim that if they were in power spending would be lower, when Bush spent like a drunken sailor and no Rep complained. It is true, AFAIK, that a President failing to win re-election is relatively rare in the US - eg I THINK there were none between 1932-76. Having said that, there have been 3 in 33 years - and I assume Johnson didn't run in 68 as he believed he'd lose. As for Petraeus - I don't know. If the economy were doing badly, and in particular if the international situation was even worse than now, and if he was a good campaigner - maybe. OTOH, if Obama does reasonably well, and in particular if the public is mostly concerned about the economy and domestic issues, I wonder whether they would really go for someone with no political experience at all. There have been few soldiers who successfully entered politics that I know of. [Eisenhower is the obvious exception.] Gen Wesley Clark ran in 2004, but as I recall didn't make that much impact. Finally, you say of the other Reps, "The problem is that their ideology and track record only appeals to small segments of the electorate". But surely if Petraeus ran as a Rep he'd have to adopt the same ideology? I don't see much evidence of 'moderate' Republicans having much say in the party these days. Sun 28 Jun 2009 17:07:14 GMT+1 David Cunard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2009/06/republicans_lack_of_leaders.html?page=71#comment253 This post has been Removed Sun 28 Jun 2009 16:23:31 GMT+1