Comments for en-gb 30 Sun 01 Feb 2015 19:51:59 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at Hugh Barnard Wow! Twitter! Web 2.0! How cool is that! Very cool! I'm growing a goatee and going to Shoredtich now!Yes, I'm a 30 year computer veteran being sarcastic about the demise of hard science (including computer science) on and around the BBC. We have this, exhibit A and also Click, a lifestyle and product placement programme, filled with pointless graphics narrated by someone who hates computers.There's a pattern here, BBC 2 which was meant for the Open University and culture is now filled with rubbish, so we open BBC3 and BBC4 which are steadily filling with rubbish. Important to spend the money and ask for more, though. The BBC was meant to educate and challenge as well as entertain but levels of superficiality, ratings-chasing and self-reference increase by the day. This bigging-up of Twittering is symptomatic of a much larger and more ugly disease. Tue 24 Feb 2009 17:41:52 GMT+1 jsstewart Rory,I'm writing my dissertation on the effect that blogging is having on shaping and redefining the role of the journalist.Would you care to share your thoughts?J Thu 12 Feb 2009 16:37:26 GMT+1 DataStorm For some years I have had the creeping conviction that personal judgment and self management would become more and more critical as misinformation, information and noise become harder to discern. The idea of describing living as a 'cloud of stuff within which I must learn to survive then thrive' is so well illustrated by this debate. Sat 24 Jan 2009 09:45:48 GMT+1 markyg_ I'm sure you've all heard this one.."The twitterings of a wit or was it the witterings of a..." Sat 24 Jan 2009 00:31:41 GMT+1 Green Soap Another day, another tranche of Twitter drivel on the BBC.Not only is the Suspended One back, it looks like he's advertising the BBC love-child on his show.Any credibility that the BBC once had, has long left the building. Thu 22 Jan 2009 20:44:16 GMT+1 Rory Cellan-Jones No 37. You make my point very well - "The reason the photo got there first was the evolution of modern technology". I'm not promoting Twitter - just fascinated by the way people are using it to connect with each other and the world. Which strikes me as just the sort of subject that a technology correspondent should examine. And if you have evidence that photos reached Facebook, MySpace, Photobucket, Imageshack and others before Twitter, I'd like to see it. As far as I can see, Mr Krums picture was uploaded to Twitpic at 1536, just five minutes after the plane landed in the Hudson.By the way I should have made clear that Twitpic is a site independent of Twitter, run by just one man, who has struggled to keep it online, such has been the weight of traffic. Tue 20 Jan 2009 12:17:53 GMT+1 Greg Tyler Rory, I really can't understand your love for Twitter. Not only is it a pointless and badly-designed website; your promotion seems suspect. One has to question your intentions and true relationship with Twitter. Also, isn't the BBC supposed to be an independent service? Free of advertising? Because that's exactly what this is.Anyway. You can't honestly be surprised that the pictures reached the internet before they reached news networks. Whilst there were no reporters in the vicinity - why should there be? - the place was full of civilians. In this day and age, they all have camera phones allowing them to take pictures almost immediately. And what will they do next? Upload them to the internet (on the same device) and publish them.The reason the photo got there first was the evolution of modern technology. Twitter hasn't done anything special except give a service for people to upload pictures. I bet there were photos on Facebook, MySpace, Photobucket, Imageshack and all sorts of other places long beforet they appeared on Twitter.In a nutshell, you're passing out praise to a website for completely insufficient reasons. Tue 20 Jan 2009 09:28:55 GMT+1 labolution Thanks for the post on this Rory,Social networks is a very interesting phenomena- or rather a very real thing with many possible changes taking place, and how it may change news media. But the change of news media is not the big point, nor is the truth of photographic representation. It is the social access and group forming that is the new and important thing. The access to news will continue (for a while), but social sites will continually emerge (for a while). Shirky in his book "Here comes Everybody", names four aspects of social networks, as sharing, conversation, collaboration, and collective action, and they are all coming out of social life on the Internet. Let's see what other movements the future has for us.cheers -lab Sun 18 Jan 2009 15:27:21 GMT+1 peejkerton "No surprise the economy is going down hill, when "everybody" keeps reporting and reading cr*p on their social networks... including twitter."Quick someone tell Robert Peston. It wasn't dangerous amounts of toxic lending done by greedy banks, lending money to mostly Americans who couldn't pay it back, that caused the banking collapse... It was actually the futures market all too busy on Facebook and Twitter.... *sighs*Maybe, just maybe some people decide to get a little escapism from the doom and gloom of the BBC's reporting recently. Even Breakfast News is less inviting than my wrists meeting some razor blades.Escapism doesn't hurt in the slightest. Its better than living in the real world of the Great Depression II.As for those who don't understand Twitter... Its like Facebook status updates, except you only receive the ones you want, and only from actually interesting people, not that girl from school who has 7 kids from 5 dads who you never liked anyway... Sun 18 Jan 2009 13:54:28 GMT+1 tweetip 1st Tweets Timeline/Chart ~ US Airways plane crash in Hudson River... Sun 18 Jan 2009 01:53:43 GMT+1 Petr Faitl No surprise the economy is going down hill, when "everybody" keeps reporting and reading cr*p on their social networks... including twitter.It seems to me that now we now absolutely everything about nothing and the real life is getting us by. Let's close down our computers and mobiles and let's do something more meaningful. With that I'm pressing the button. off Sun 18 Jan 2009 00:55:02 GMT+1 orangeduvet I joined Twitter few weeks ago to follow the Gaza war. It made the whole thing feel much closer and more real - can't fully articulate why at the moment. There was certainly a lot of polemic and propaganda, but also it fed me links to sites I would never have seen otherwise.As for those who still say 'why?' the answer can only be 'because'.Finding out so quickly that the plane came down might not make much difference to most of us in the UK, but come the day of a major disaster nearby, the advance warning could be a lifesaver. Sat 17 Jan 2009 22:23:27 GMT+1 johnoverhere The real question is whether we actually need any of that speed. When I told a friend a while back that I check the news at least every hour or so, he asked 'why?' It's a question I never asked myself, but he's actually right to ask it, since I have no need to clutter up my life with a constant stream of news that doesn't directly affect me. No you combine speed with the potential of inaccuracy and you have just more clutter and distraction. Sat 17 Jan 2009 15:50:27 GMT+1 Coup Attempt *Twitter will go the way of the Betamax*What pioneer a new technology and last 25 years? Sat 17 Jan 2009 15:29:45 GMT+1 CorrectNJ I thought that news reporting was meant to be accurate.I expected the BBC to be unbias and accurate in it;s reporting. The articles I have seen on this website about the downed plane on the 6 o clock news are not accurate.The plane is not moored in Manhattan it is in HOBOKEN, NEW JERSEY. The reporters were not in New York they were standing in Hoboken. Get it right BBC. They are different cities in separate states. Stop being sensationalist and report accurately. It is Hoboken not New York!!! Sat 17 Jan 2009 14:44:12 GMT+1 ptaillandier "naming a genuine news agency which has that reputation": and which one might that be? Sat 17 Jan 2009 12:58:16 GMT+1 karlgoddard1972 I think it was Clay Shirky who said something along the lines of 'technology only becomes useful when it becomes boring'Twitter is *almost* there now.It's becoming more mainstream everyday and with this mainstream acceptance comes it's true usefulness. Sat 17 Jan 2009 12:22:02 GMT+1 RevK Why are so many of the posters to this article so obsessed about money??? The guy took a photo and shared it, that he is not greedy is his business. As for the twitter "love in" complaints, get a life! Rory happens to use twitter, he cant write an entry saying he saw it elsewhere because he happened to see it on twitter. The subject is being explored in a blog, not a main article therefore a greater latitude of freedom of content is expected. Maybe you think Rory needs to copy the old habit of bbc announcers when after a reference to the radio times "other listings magazines are available" would be heard. After every reference to twit/facebook/flikr etc he should say "other blogs and social websites are available" but we hopefully are old enough to know that already!As for the fact that he checked the tweets on his way home, he's a tech journalist, I expect him to use tech, and I expect him to check the latest happenings in the world, else I would wonder what he was doing in the BBC. I would be more worked up if the first he heard of it was seeing the front cover of a newspaper the next day, cause that would suggest he was out of touch and only seeing old news, which lets face it by the time it is printed isnt "new"s at all. Sat 17 Jan 2009 10:23:14 GMT+1 cping500 Twitter is just one source of data which CAN be turned into NEWS by a well trained journalist journalist/ news team. But a tweet is just a source. The issue is how to use it. To be presented as valid (note I avoid true.. I never believe what I read in the papers :-) ) it requires conformation or at least experienced judgment about its likely validity with appropriate warnings ( like 'we are getting information' which is unconfirmed at the moment). Presenting immediate RAW data is ok for the public to use so long as it is so labelled and signed. One interesting example of how to do this... for a specialist audience true (but it is openly available.. you have to pay but there is a free trial offer)... is the LIVE COMMENTARY on the Stock Market in the Financial Times 'Alphaville' section each working day from 1100 to 1200. It is accompanied by a stream of contributions by readers which is monitored. So long as readers are not misled or rather urged to use their own judgment, tweets a useful addition to the data flow and conventions can be established for journalists to use them even as Alphaville show in a field beset with regulation (and rumours)(the caps are so I can use some emphasis) Sat 17 Jan 2009 07:56:49 GMT+1 Alex Banks The media can't be everywhere all of the time and sometimes the public beat the media to a story or an event - only last week I had my picture posted on the BBC when the snow fell.I'm all for it. With the ability to record video and photos on smartphones, the public can rapidly contribute some stunning images and videos for distribution worldwide by the media. The concorde crash comes to mind for example. Sat 17 Jan 2009 00:39:32 GMT+1 batgirlwas does anyone know if he got any payment?i work in a school where i am trying to get kids to understand that taking photos from the internet without permission is plagiarismdo you give up your intellectual property rights when posting to twitter - i have never used it - seemed a bit shallow to me -facebook at least has useful appsis this like the guy who took the famous che photo? Fri 16 Jan 2009 22:42:15 GMT+1 Blythy Those guys at just flight got it wrong - the hudson aircraft has cfm engines, not iae! (not that I'm nit picking) Also, he had no flaps down, and was going way too fast. He was no sullenburger, that's for sure.Also flying 1000 ft above a bridge is hardly "perilously close" and the apparant near miss with the other aircraft..... yeah, aircraft fly in 3d space. they were probably 1000 ft apart vertically. Fri 16 Jan 2009 22:12:31 GMT+1 jw2034 dear oh dear. every big story and the BBC uses it to promote twitter. it's not like there are other services available that do the same! where is the impartiality BBC? Fri 16 Jan 2009 19:40:13 GMT+1 famico Yeah, and you can do 9/10th of this on Facebook. The only thing you can't do is follow people who aren't your friends.There isn't room for both in the long term. Twitter will go the way of the Betamax. It will get eaten up by trendy PR halfwits greedily hogging everyone's feeds. Fri 16 Jan 2009 19:01:02 GMT+1 DavePrice I hope Janis got paid for his pic. It must be great for the BBC and all the poor old credit-crunched media souls to get content for free. If Janis had phoned a news agency he could now be raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars. But no, he posted it for any one to use free of charge on the web. Hope he realises how much money he's given away. Citizen journalism - bringing free content to organisations well prepared to pay top dollar - you couldn't make it up! Fri 16 Jan 2009 18:33:10 GMT+1 Ed Lyons I like twitter's search, as a way to see what people think above any particular topic - adhoc reviews as it were, but I don't honestly know quite how I'd use it. Nor do I entirely understand how it all works - and I'm a very technical person! The site doesn't do a good job of explaining these things. Sure, it lets you post a piece of text, but anything more isn't terribly clear.It's never going to be as popular as Facebook etc, because it's just a bit too geeky! Fri 16 Jan 2009 17:40:40 GMT+1 rickinnis On a more local scale, there was a blackout in part of Toronto overnight; local TV station CITY-TV was using twitter to follow people's stories and track where power was coming back on. Fri 16 Jan 2009 16:43:53 GMT+1 Dr Blockbuster #14 harelipmethinks that's a tad harsh. I agree that some of the social networks are keeping quiet about difficulties in raising revenues and the verb "monetize" seems to be very much in vogue. I wonder if Friends Reunited are suffering from their decision to ditch the annual fee I, for one, was happy to pay.The advance of networking with sites like Twitter ALLOWS information to be distributed that more rapidly and greatly assists journalists like Rory to research and investigate and get the story out to the public.Breaking a story, doing a tip off, making an announcement are all news sources that can have the blue touchpaper lit via Twitter, Facebook, etc. etcI worry more over the business models and their revenue generating problems (not issues!) but Dr Blockbuster always has the business brain on! :smiles: Fri 16 Jan 2009 16:02:30 GMT+1 majesticsproggo This makes me absolutely HOOT with laughter (apart from asking 'how much are Twitter paying the BBC?). I realise that the Internet has now passed a tipping point of self-referential absurdity. I have used the Internet enthusiastically for news and basic communication since it was invented yet I have looked at Twitter several times and am completely unable to answer the question 'what's it FOR?'You only have to look at its promotional video to see how divorced from reality its creators must be' 'Real life happens between blogs and e-mails'. I'm sorry - real life happens WITHOUT blogs and e-mails. 'Carla's friends have discovered her liking for Van Halen'. Well, that says it all I guess. Both she and her friends need to get a life.Twitter lets you answer the question 'what are you doing?' but doesn't seem take into account the fact that nobody else, frankly, gives a monkey's!!!I would tweet more of my despair at such absurdity but am off to a meeting of our active and creative Parish Council, half of the members of which don't even have computers. Fri 16 Jan 2009 15:48:56 GMT+1 harelip Ah, the fortnightly Twitter love-in, wonderful. Who at the BBC has thrown venture capital at Twitter then?To answer the question"How long before Twitter becomes as popular and widely used in the UK as in the US - allowing more stories, which might otherwise be left uncovered, brought to light?"'s never going to happen. Twitter has no business model and the money will dry up soon enough. It's a shame that journalism and news wire standards have dropped so low that so-called "technology journalists" consider it newsworthy to write about how they rely on the public to tell THEM the news. Fri 16 Jan 2009 15:19:34 GMT+1 gert68 Some of us have better things to do with our time (and money) than constantly check our phones for numerous updates.If someone wants to post a picture to the www from their phone, there are numerous ways to do it.I was an early adopter of Twitter and the novelty very soon wore off. It's about as interesting as throwing sheep on Facebook, if that. Fri 16 Jan 2009 15:04:01 GMT+1 Dr Blockbuster @DrBlockbuster schays ... aye, aye Rory tis true what you said >>> "It's like a very fast, but not entirely reliable news agency," I did watch your video on a sea-plane testing the internet link recently fr'instance and I know you had two hard boiled eggs for breakfast the other day, two minutes on boil :hahaha:Seriously, Twitter is a great addition to the armoury, but I do think of it more as an additional instrument in the socialmedia orchestra ... sometimes it might be better to play the Twitter trumpet as opposed to the Plaxo piano or Facebook flute :wink:Of course, you'll have heard that BurgerKing are offering a whoppa if you give up 10 friends on Facebook. Despite me being an advertiser with them, they seem happy to p### off many of the 150 million users. I was wondering if you could approach BK for me and claim 30 whoppas in respect of the 300 I lost on the last fall out? (french fries not included)Dr BlockbusterNetworks & Forums Fri 16 Jan 2009 14:55:01 GMT+1 Douglas Lee hrwaldram - I have to say I'm going through a stage of disbelief and denial about how people like you can get so worked up about something so trivial. The phrase 'get a life' comes to mind. Fri 16 Jan 2009 14:01:58 GMT+1 Douglas Lee Well said Tengsted! Fri 16 Jan 2009 13:57:56 GMT+1 Douglas Lee litmanlive - it's not that the majority 'out here' don't get it, it's that we're not interested. Don't assume some sort of superiority over those who don't share your interests. Fri 16 Jan 2009 13:57:14 GMT+1 Maatkeyma Since those in the “media” are NOT doing their jobs of reporting the “news” and information of the day, the “people” have filled the void. Mega corporations cannot “own” information, and they cannot censor or just plain NOT report an event that is too inconvenient to the presiding government.Be afraid. Be very afraid. Democracy is on its way.Signed,Alive and well in America. For now. Fri 16 Jan 2009 12:48:44 GMT+1 Green Soap Here we go again, isn't Twitter just wonderful. Yawn.Why don't you and Twitter just go and get a room? Fri 16 Jan 2009 12:40:24 GMT+1 SheffTim A plane crash has little ambiguity, it either happened or it didn't. A photograph is hard evidence (but don’t forget the scope for a well aimed hoax or black propaganda, particularly in a war situation), the Mumbai reports had no such supporting evidence, it was just hearsay and the 'six dead' turned out to be a chimera. I'm sure the plane crash image would have attracted great attention (and replication) if sent to and posted on any media site. The plane crash should have been relatively easy to fact check that it had happened, the Mumbai story was more difficult, it took hours to determine that the initial reports were untrue.I still prefer accuracy over speed on media sites; if in doubt then leave it out. Fri 16 Jan 2009 12:24:27 GMT+1 Kaysadilla Yes, people keep telling me about how good Twitter is, but when I joined none of my contacts were members!! It's a bit sad just talking to yourself. :-( Fri 16 Jan 2009 12:02:20 GMT+1 EuroBob7 Additionally all the info about the captain of the plane came from 'LinkedIn' the job/career networking site. It being used by CNN in under 2 hours after the crash. Fri 16 Jan 2009 11:36:37 GMT+1 hrwaldram I also have found trouble convincing friends of Twitter invaluable service and remarkable ways it is being used (especially for proving the necessity of information provided by UGC). Apparently everyone goes through a stage of disbelief and denial when first introduced to the service. long before Twitter becomes as popular and widely used in the UK as in the US - allowing more stories, which might otherwise be left uncovered, brought to light? Fri 16 Jan 2009 10:55:59 GMT+1 Josh Great minds Rory, I blogged about the same thing last night: you see that this Flickr user had pics uploaded before the ferries even got there! Fri 16 Jan 2009 10:41:21 GMT+1 litmanlive Brilliant article. Incidentally was directed to this by Rory on Twitter @ruskin147 who 'tweeted' about it. This will go some way to - 1) Help Twitter reach the tipping point (if it’s not happened already to an extent) 2) Show it's value to the majority out there that don't 'get' it 3) Along with answering what is sometimes the hardest question to answer. Why Twitter? Excellent. Fri 16 Jan 2009 10:37:25 GMT+1