Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html en-gb 30 Sat 19 Apr 2014 15:51:48 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html kop_some_moo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=96#comment29 Write about what you know. Host your blog on an IP that is in the USA e.g. use hostgator. Pay a few people to digg and stumble your blog.Find people who are interested in the things you blog about and ask them to blog as well. Dont pay for an office. You dont need it.Write an ebook or use some other technique to create a mailing list.Offer something in the mailing list that is relevant to what you blog about. Maybe 1% will buy.Make money.Rinse and repeat.Adsense CTRs are notoriously low on blogs. So stay away from it. Sun 07 Sep 2008 22:40:41 GMT+1 KHavard http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=93#comment28 Directly making money is possible through contextual advertising. It depends on the amount you consider to be a decent amount... 9p probably isn't; and how clever you are with the contextual advertising element.There are a number of sites out there who claim to be independent reviews, but are actually blogs focusing on very niche content and hence have associated contextual ads. This is then accompanied by very clever SEO techniques to achieve high visibility for the associated search terms. It's playing Google with Google if that makes sense...of course these sites always rank high for the specific search terms and phrases as Google coin it in as well.A lot more money can be made ethically by bloggers, even if not directly....in fact you can make a business from it! Wed 03 Sep 2008 13:47:07 GMT+1 thefumer http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=90#comment27 The answer is yes - I made 9p from my site last month. Tue 26 Aug 2008 19:31:22 GMT+1 themaster http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=86#comment26 If UK bloggers target their posts at the UK (which is of course natural - they are writing about what they know to be relevant to their audience) then of course that is an audience a fifth of what a US blogger could capture.I think that in the UK we are quite subconsciously tolerant of other national terminology and phrasing. We know where the sidewalk is or where the trunk is on a car even though we don't have them or that gas can be a liquid and we know how much $100 is without having a pound conversion in brackets. The US is a different culture and I don't think the reverse is true.You could always just write any old rubbish and hope for the best - like www.surrealscoop.com does - which often works alright too. Mon 25 Aug 2008 16:38:48 GMT+1 ciaranjnorris http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=83#comment25 @andrewmartin - I don't work for Patrick, have never worked with Patrick but am aware of him through our work in the same sector. Anyway, with the issue of impartiality out of the way I just thought that I'd stand up for him.If you read the article you'll notice that it says "he now runs a blogging consultancy": whilst I don't know Patrick's history inside out, I would imagine that Patrick now concentrates on helping others utilise blogging (as well as offering SEO services) rather than keeping the mobile blog you mention up to date.With regards to Uri Geller, Patrick has been well known in our sector for some time now (he started blogging on e-consultancy back in January and they're not the types to give space to any sort of huckster)I realise that you can't be expected to know any of this but feel that the tone of your comments deserved a response from someone with no ties to Patrick other than those of professional respect. Fri 22 Aug 2008 14:03:55 GMT+1 andrew http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=80#comment24 Mr Altoft, I looked at a phone site called mad4mobilephones which I guess is the site you say makes 'serious money' (or you may have several and I'm looking at the wrong one, in which case apologies). You make a lot of claims for your site, for instance you say that 'as well as a useful and popular forum the main section of our website is the news pages which are updated many times per day and received over 3 million page views during 2006. Our team of 3 lead editors covers different stories and is also responsible for reviewing new products when they become available in the UK.'Where is the forum? News was last updated on 7th August, in fact the site does not appear to deliver any of the things you claim for it. It looks as if you treat your visitors with very little regard for their intelligence. As I say, as our economy slides into recession, if you are making money on the internet then fantastic but what came to mind when I looked at your website and read the claims you make was Mr Geller. Fri 22 Aug 2008 11:53:18 GMT+1 Chris Lake http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=76#comment23 Apologies - my apostrophes are showing up as question marks. Fri 22 Aug 2008 11:29:51 GMT+1 Chris Lake http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=73#comment22 I live in London and run a blog called Hecklerspray, which makes money, employs full time staff and wants a spangly office with a pool table but doesn’t yet have one. We’ve never sought out any VC funding, mainly because we believe in bootstrapping.A few points:- We launched three and a bit years ago, have accumulated 26m+ page impressions since then. Last month we were visited by 800,000 unique users. - Up to 70% of our readers live in the US. In this respect we are no different to the major UK publishers. It’s just about timing and targeting. We target US ads to US readers, and likewise for the UK. We publish UK stories in the morning (GMT) and US ones in the afternoon / evening, to coincide with spikes. - Digg doesn’t hate UK blogs! Around half a million Digg users have visited Hecklerspray since the beginning of last month. Yahoo Buzz and StumbleUpon can also deliver quality traffic.- Fact: media buyers are lazy and stuck in their ways. So are we. Let’s do lunch.- Ashley Norris’ post has been blown out of all proportion. He makes some valid points about the differences between the US and UK. Shiny Media took VC money and is going for scale – these things take time, and surely it is still a work in progress?- Patrick Altoft says you need to break exclusives, which isn’t necessary. It may help, but really you just need a clear voice and some subject focus.- To sum up: it IS possible to make money from blogging, and it doesn’t much matter where you are based. It's just about focus, timing, targeting and having a voice. Fri 22 Aug 2008 11:28:16 GMT+1 Chris Lake http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=70#comment21 . Fri 22 Aug 2008 11:10:37 GMT+1 PatrickAltoft http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=66#comment20 andrewmmartin if you haven't heard of me then a quick Google search for "Patrick Altoft" should tell you everything you need to know about me and my company, Branded3. Fri 22 Aug 2008 11:04:40 GMT+1 Adam_Y http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=63#comment19 I like the assumption that just because he struggles to make money that all blogs are doomed to fail. I think it's all a matter of approach, the US are great at creating the huge blog hubs, covering everything from pop culture to tech news... And that is the problem with Shiny media, they are just repeating the same news as techCrunch etc. But to be a successful Brit you have to stop trying to compete.My comic site, www.theflowfieldunity.com makes money for me. It's small scale but at least it works, I rely on exporting my Britishness far more than trying to copy any US 'rival'. Fri 22 Aug 2008 10:41:29 GMT+1 andrew http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=60#comment18 Is Gnoll110 the same person as DSushee? Bit of a conicidence that someone is reading a tech blog and is so interested in a comment on a completely unrelated topic that s/he has to ask for the URL to be posted. Fri 22 Aug 2008 07:54:59 GMT+1 Gnoll110 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=56#comment17 @DSusheeHi. I'm interested in 'Owner building' and solar. Can you please post your blogs name or a link.@iggy23Some people have thoughts, experiences, have done research etc that other people want to read/hear about. The third group of people will pay to hve their advertise next to good thoughts, experience and research on a relevant subject.The fourth group figure out how the mix the above groups and make billions too. Google, come on down! ;)'blurring the lines', for sure, just as long as there is still enough value that people will read it! Fri 22 Aug 2008 07:28:03 GMT+1 iggy23 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=53#comment16 wait... make money from blogging? Isn't a web-log supposed to be an online diary, where you post your thoughts? Now it's a business? I think people are blurring the lines between regularly website with RSS feed and blog methinks. Fri 22 Aug 2008 06:59:22 GMT+1 andrew http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=50#comment15 If they can it is in part because of articles like this. You say that Patrick Altoft (who I have never heard of) 'gave up his job at an insurance firm when his blogs about the mobile phone world started making serious money, and he now runs a blogging consultancy.' I don't know who Mr Altoft is, and I hope he is making a living, and hats off to him for trying, but did you check to see if what he told you was spin? Yuri Geller can thank David Dimbleby and the BBC for setting off his lucrative spoon bending career and I wonder if you are doing the same for Mr Altoft by endorsing someone who may not be all he claims to be. If his blogs on mobile phones were making serious money why not do more of that, why set up a blogging consultancy? It doesn't look on Google Trends for Websites as if he is making money from blogging. Just one of Shiny's 40 blogs has higher traffic than his blogwhatever blog. His mobile phone site barely registers so how is it making 'serious money'? Please update. Fri 22 Aug 2008 02:26:59 GMT+1 howaboutawii http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=46#comment14 I have been running a UK based Nintendo Wii based blog since October 2006. What started out as a hobby ended up as something that paid very well.I was lucky, as hitting the right content in the a niche area has been very key to the success of the blog.From my experience though now, I would seriously consider giving up my day job as a pharmacist to concentrate on blogging full-time.Howaboutawii.com Thu 21 Aug 2008 21:57:41 GMT+1 alisalamiii http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=43#comment13 Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the blogger named "arseblogger" on arseblog.com, a hugely popular and in fact award winning blog about arsenal football club written by one man in his house in Ireland, is now a full time employed blogger. Thu 21 Aug 2008 20:11:02 GMT+1 shinymediachris http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=40#comment12 When we took funding we decided we wanted to run Shiny like a magazine publishing company and that meant renting a reasonable office. We felt this was an important step in our development in order to be taken seriously by the 'industry' (advertisers, PRs etc), many of whom still thought of bloggers as working out of their bedrooms. It was also done in order to build a creative atmosphere where people could work together and have fun. And in part to provide a slightly more attractive backdrop to film video! We haven't gone overboard though - they are just regular offices similar to those of Dennis Publishing etc. Chris, MD, Shiny Media Thu 21 Aug 2008 18:40:07 GMT+1 Dean_FRW http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=36#comment11 Jamie Riddell is absolutely right. At Talking Voices, we make money from pro blogging, we just don't use the models you quote, because they aren't appropriate in the UK. And we all come from blog writing, not journalism college. I quickly abandoned the Google ads I had on my personal (4.5m visitors in 2007) "little blog" because they detracted from the integrity of the content. Instead, I chose to trade my blog writing skills on the open market - a far more profitable enterprise. Thu 21 Aug 2008 17:21:15 GMT+1 jamieriddell http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=33#comment10 I think the article is mis titled. The article talks about 'can UK bloggers make money from selling ads on their site.' That is a fundamentally different question to 'can UK bloggers make money'.Shiny Media claim to not have made much money in the UK from advertising. That may not be related to the same question. As Director of one of the UK's largest digital ad agencies, I had never heard of Shiny Media so that may be a problem in itself.Bloggers seeking to make money from selling advertising against their content and traffic need to gain exceptional volumes to make any form of real money. The market in the UK for paid advertising, in terms of advertising rates being paid is very low. For advertisers this is good, for site owners it is not so good. If a site was achieving £5 per thousand page views they would be doing well. [Yes, some niche and wonderful blogs will achieve far higher yield] so there needs to be substantial traffic to touch the sides. There are a wave of UK bloggers who are making money from their profession, but the income is not coming purely from sales of advertising, instead it is coming from a range of skills combining social influence and blogging skills [not just writing skills] - working for brands and services looking to harness their skills to write and promote. Remember the succesful bloggers in this arena are flagging any commercial investment so it is not underhand.So if we turn the question around, the answer would be yes, there a number of bloggers or 'active social media contributors' that are paying the bills. There aren't many making money from selling ads on their blog. Thu 21 Aug 2008 16:57:06 GMT+1 JimConnolly http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=30#comment9 I run a UK-based tech news blog purely as a pastime and would like to make two points:1. The BBC DO LINK to UK blogs. They linked to mine! I got thousands of hits as a direct result, many of whom kept coming back!2. I already get enough traffic to make money from my blog. It's only 3 months old and I only spend an hour or so a day on it, running it as a hobby. I have no idea why 'professional bloggers' seem to struggle; when they have all day to market their blogs?Provide great content and you will get traffic. Provide great content and TELL PEOPLE and you will get as much traffic as you can handle.TheTechNewsBlog.com Thu 21 Aug 2008 16:23:54 GMT+1 PatrickAltoft http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=26#comment8 KatherineHannaford I launched a new UK focussed blog last year and got half a million visitors in 4 months using social networks like Digg. The key is to write your content in a social media friendly manner and then know how to promote it. Gizmodo has hundreds of fans to promote their content for them, Shiny doesn't have the benefit of this which is why their content only got 17 diggs. Thu 21 Aug 2008 15:49:35 GMT+1 KatherineHannaford http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=23#comment7 To be fair, Patrick Altoft doesn't really hit the spot when he says "If you're on the front page of Digg, that guarantees 50,000 hits. The likes of TechCrunch and Gizmodo are there every day - you'll never see Shiny there."When I worked at Shiny Media (for three years), each and every writer was abusing not only Digg, but also StumbleUpon and every other social tool we could lay our hands on. Bearing in mind we quite often wrote about new social tools on Tech Digest, where I was editor, we certainly knew which tool to use, and when.Yet, Digg never sent traffic our way, I remember doing a top ten on a subject, digging it, and getting maybe 17 diggs in total. Gizmodo did a top five a week later, and got hundreds of diggs - even though all their five points were listed in my top ten, they were propelled to the front of Digg.I've pretty much given up using Digg as a means of generating traffic, as unless your blog is based in the US, you won't be seeing much traffic at all.As for the issue regarding bloggers' pay, well, I think the fact that I left full-time blogging to go work at a publishing house on their flagship web title says it all really. Thu 21 Aug 2008 15:07:06 GMT+1 Briantist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=20#comment6 #6 It is easy enough to set up the pay-per-click accounts, the problem is that you can't, as you can in the US, make an actual living out of it. Thu 21 Aug 2008 14:45:53 GMT+1 AndrewMPike http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=16#comment5 This post has been Removed Thu 21 Aug 2008 14:10:59 GMT+1 chall5 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=13#comment4 smstextnews - linky no worky Thu 21 Aug 2008 14:06:21 GMT+1 Briantist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=10#comment3 I can make money, but as my UK audience all get directed to the BBC first, and as the BBC NEVER links to the likes of me, I make money, but I have to still do my "day job" too, no matter how many visitors I get!Would be nice if you could - please - link to UK bloggers and sites from your pages, dearest Auntie. Thu 21 Aug 2008 13:33:02 GMT+1 DSushee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=6#comment2 WOW, sorry I should have read that through before I posted. Sorry for the typos, but you get the point :) Thu 21 Aug 2008 12:35:34 GMT+1 PatrickAltoft http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=3#comment1 This post has been Removed Thu 21 Aug 2008 12:30:55 GMT+1 DSushee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/08/can_brits_make_bucks_from_blog.html?page=0#comment0 Yes you can and very easily too, it all depends on the scale you want to earn.We are renovating our house in France and are working hard on our blog with decent information and not just out "views" , so people are starting to come to the site for useful data and not opinion. At present we make about $10/$20 a day from AdWords, not a lot by many standards we know but as the site is growing up the charts and we are adding then the revenue rises. At the average rate of $15 a day we'll earn $450 and that's without increasing our traffic. The sole idea was for the blog to pay for it's own hosting charges for the year which we have already achieved. Our next aim is for it to pay for the solar heater we are currently researching. The write ups that we are doing for items we are researching are actively starting to contribute towards the items we are starting to buy, this then has the knock on effect as product research turns into a product install and usage.It's the information age and content is king.. "Build it and they will come".. Thu 21 Aug 2008 12:27:17 GMT+1