Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html en-gb 30 Sun 23 Nov 2014 08:35:22 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html hairyjoe16 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=97#comment37 Apple without steve jobs will be different and take a long time to come to term with. Apple will survive but it will be a blow to the company. All the apple fans will cry because Jobs is like god to them.But i dont know why people are arguing over the os, ipod and iphone. Microsoft will never be beaten by Apple. FACT!! Vista is rubbish but since vista has been launched it has sold more copies than Leopard. Even if apple have sold 3 million macs in 3 months Windows machines are way ahead in sales. And mac do have virsus but not as much as windows. Thats because macs only have 4% of the market share!! so virsus developers find it pointless!! And the ipod is a nice design and well ahead of other mp3 players but the new sony music players destroy the ipod. I have one and i dont have to use software!! i just drag and drop the music folders into the folder on the music player. And itunes sucks!! The Iphone is horrible!!! and HTC actually destroys them. With Microsoft machines atleast you can upgrade everything for example; GRAPHICS CARD, PROCESSOR, SOUND CARD ETC. On a mac your only aloud to upgrade ram and hard disk. WAW SPOIL ME APPLE. And apple would be more appealing if the didnt run there business like a dictatorship. Controlling everything you do.And btw if you think i am one big Microsoft fan you are wrong Microsoft has its bad points aswell, but i have owned a mac used it for years and ill never go down that road again. Thu 31 Jul 2008 08:14:45 GMT+1 The Realist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=94#comment36 A question for all...Why is Doom, Xbox etc being talked about? They have nothing to do with Apple and Steve Jobs. Tue 29 Jul 2008 16:15:12 GMT+1 Mark_MWFC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=92#comment35 Nope, Wolfie was released in 1992, Doom was released in 1993. You're right that Wolfie doesn't use the Doom engine - Carmack worked on that whilst ID got on with Spear of Destiny - but that's besides the point: Wolfie was still the first 'real' FPS.As for Marathon, a great game for the Mac and probably why MS bought Bungie. I'd also point out that Halo on the Mac was intended to be an RTS and that the FPS for the Xbox bears little relation to that work in progress although it was indeed subsequently ported to PCs and Macs. Mon 28 Jul 2008 14:39:00 GMT+1 bazlane http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=89#comment34 Regarding entry no. 33, I believe the original Doom was published in shareware form before Wolfenstein. I'm not so sure Wolfenstein didn't use the Doom engine. Now the original version of Marathon is another matter, of course, and Halo was written on and for the Mac.Discuss... Mon 28 Jul 2008 13:38:08 GMT+1 DaveC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=86#comment33 Ah, the joy of comments is watching the back and forth between Apple haters and Windows haters, which seem to exist in equal measure. Both are tools to get a job done. Some prefer one, some prefer the other. Deal with it. And as for the iPod ... whilst I applaud its original innovation (although it certainly was not the first digital music player) I have a smaller, neater device that cost about 25% of the price of an iPod, does everything I could possibly want in a music player and lasts forever on a single charge.A very old friend of mine camped out and bought an iPhone on day of release, simply because it was an Apple iPhone, and whilst it is very good, it was three times the price of my Windows PDAphone and has about half the functionality. The potential problem Apple has, for me, is that beyond their (admittedly) amazing design they carry a huge cost premium just because of the Apple name and logo. No thanks. Mon 28 Jul 2008 11:24:17 GMT+1 Mark_MWFC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=84#comment32 The original shoot 'em up was actually Wolfenstein 3D, not Doom.NeXTStep, whilst an extremely important step in computing, was a commercial failure.As for PCs being 'Fisher Price' toys, give it a rest, eh? Mon 28 Jul 2008 10:49:31 GMT+1 Jimmy James http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=81#comment31 I have to say to the people calling NeXTSTEP a 'turkey' and 'failure' have no place commenting on a Tech blog.Dear me people, do some research! NeXTSTEP is INCREDIBLE!!! I mean, Doom was created on a NeXT machine, the original shoot-em-up! HTML 1.0 was created on a NeXTSTEP, Mathematica was created on a NeXTSTEP. Quote from wiki:"The system was among the first general-purpose user interfaces to handle publishing color standards, transparency, sophisticated sound and music processing (through a Motorola 56000 DSP), advanced graphics primitives, internationalization, and modern typography in a consistent manner across all applications."Maybe these critics of NeXT should get back to playing on their Fisher-Price Windows machines, and leave the real computing to the big boys.A turkey indeed. There's a sucker born every minute! Mon 28 Jul 2008 09:04:40 GMT+1 thomasf1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=78#comment30 @ ancientdreamWell it depends on what deeptank mean't. The NeXT company was a failure, yet the innovation of NeXTSTEP was not, and needed the might of Apple to save it.NeXTSTEP saved Apple. But without Apple NeXTSTEP would have been nothing. Sun 27 Jul 2008 15:29:06 GMT+1 sleepygeek http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=76#comment29 deeptank corrections:Jobs did not quit Apple; he was kicked out by Sculley (the sugar-water salesman Jobs had hired to sell computers)Next was not a turkey; along with Apple, it was crushed by Microsoft, who smothered the whole industry for twenty years, and still pays billions of dollars in compensation every year for the illegal damage it has caused. NEXT was technically advanced; (Tim Berners-Lee used it to create the worldwide web!) So much so that when Apple needed to save itself, it bought Next, which was in effect a reverse takeover, with Next people occupying key senior roles in the new Apple; Apple remains Next-dominated today, and OS X is basically the Next OS.Apple has indeed used the iPod to bootstrap itself back into the game. But you'll notice that your "turkey" Next OS has become the OS of the iPod touch and the iPhone, as well as the Mac.If you are one of the 99.9% who simply don't understand what Steve Jobs and Apple are doing, he seems like an egomaniacal shit. But if you understand it, it simply looks like ruthless determination not to let anything stop the change from happening. Why do you think Apple ran this ad when Jobs returned? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvn_Ied9t4M It's Apple's manifesto under Steve Jobs. Keep watching. Sun 27 Jul 2008 14:26:04 GMT+1 thomasf1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=73#comment28 @Post 27:'So, if the iPod is really so inferior, then how come Apple have sold over 11 Million in the last 3 months?'Surely that statement means that suggesting OS X is better than Windows is flawed because Microsoft sells more copies of that. Sun 27 Jul 2008 13:54:55 GMT+1 sleepygeek http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=71#comment27 This was simply muck stirring to manipulate the stock price on the day Apple reported an excellent financial quarter exceeding analyst predictions and the company's guidance; the price was then taken down 10% by the muck stirrers. This has become such a major problem in the USA that the SEC has suddenly decided to protect the very institutions that do it, because their very existence is threatened by rumour mongering and naked shorting (google it). Because Apple is a growth stock with a huge market cap and high P/E, this is phenomenally profitable.Steve Jobs currently appears fit, but incredibly thin. The BBC and everyone else has decided to call this "gaunt", but his appearance and behaviour do not match this term. Watch him on that day for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNZngL29M9M. He's lively and healthy looking, but spectacularly thin. (That's supposed to let you live to 130, by the way!)Steve Job's health is a private matter, and the company is not entitled to say anything about it in public, so long as there is no prospect of his health affecting his work for Apple. So when the company says, on the record, "Steve's health is a private matter", it means that he's fit for work. Oppenheimer (CFO) who made this statement can go to prison if he knows there is something significant wrong with Steve Jobs and makes the statement that his health is a private matter.But the muck stirrers continued to pretend there was something there, and the company was somehow dissembling. So in the end Steve Jobs phoned the chief slime bucket at New York Times, in a personal capacity, and disclosed off the record his private medical history details. Stuff has been happening that's made him thin, but it's not threatening and it's being dealt with, apparently.I'm a shareholder and I'm heartily sick of these sleazy journalists with their bogus smears "on shareholders' behalf". And by the way, Apple will be just fine without Steve Jobs. Buildings don't fall down just because their architect isn't around any more, and neither will Apple. Sun 27 Jul 2008 13:51:27 GMT+1 Pablo472 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=68#comment26 So, if the iPod is really so inferior, then how come Apple have sold over 11 Million in the last 3 months?Also Apple have sold over 2 million iMacs in that same 3 months period.Whilst I agree that Jonathon Ive would be the perfect candidate for Steve's Job, I also believe he would possibly be best to stay where he is as that is what he does do best. BUT, "Imagine the possibilities", and especially as he certainly does "Think Different"!!! ;-) Sun 27 Jul 2008 11:20:21 GMT+1 ironballz http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=65#comment25 Deeptank, I hate to see misinformation spread. Jobs did not resign, he was booted out and betrayed. When Apple realised it was really they who needed him, they brought him back on board. Sun 27 Jul 2008 08:04:55 GMT+1 Ironbath http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=63#comment24 No company depends on one person and everyone is replacable. This isn't a tech story it is a business story. Have you any idea how damaging it is to propergate rumours of this nature? I suspect that it doesn't meet the standards required by the BBC for business reporting. Sat 26 Jul 2008 20:15:43 GMT+1 john_goold http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=60#comment23 The, rather sarcastic, question was posed, "You understand the difference between a blog and a story don't you?".I find that very interesting, as I thought I did: Articles published in newspapers and broadcast over TV and radio are "stories", but often belong in a "column" or on the editorial page; purportedly "personal opinion/diaries" published on the web are "blogs, but get linked to by the BBC's web pages.Umm.... alright, I give up. Either there isn't any difference, or the BBC is trying to pretend that columnists aren't publishing on their site by hiding behind the euphemism, "blog". Sat 26 Jul 2008 19:50:25 GMT+1 DewanHossain http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=57#comment22 Its apple, and the true meaning lies within itself. Even if SJ is not there it shall remain as strong and natural as it is today. May be it might get a bit ripe but not pale or stale. Sat 26 Jul 2008 11:42:13 GMT+1 bazlane http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=55#comment21 Regarding comment no. 21 by Chris Barnham, I agree wholeheartedly. As a former Windows user who decamped to Apple Mac, however, I wouldn't want to reply upon Windows unless it was the only 'tool' available, but I'd use it. I prefer Apple products and find them great to use, a delight to look at, and their reliability and longevity is astounding.My son uses a couple of PCs - he mostly plays games - and wishes only that Apple did more to accommodate gamers. He says he'd happily switch to a Mac because of their superior operating system, design and build quality. He has also backtracked from Vista to the older XP, calling it the lesser of two evils, but there we are.As for Steve Jobs, well, yes, he's an extraordinary guy, but irreplaceable? Sat 26 Jul 2008 11:41:11 GMT+1 chris-barnham http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=52#comment20 Jeez people! - What's with all this windows v mac stuff?A computer is a 'tool' - that's just it, If I need a saw to saw then I use one, if i need a drill I use a drill. - I don't really care if it's a Bosch or a Black and Decker - as long as it does what I expect it to do.I personally think that the different platforms (Mac/Windows/Linux) all have things to offer and without healthy competition the level of innovation in the technology market would be a lot less.Sure MS copied functions of Mac OSX for Vista, but then Apple copied stuff from Xerox for their original OS! They are all alike in that regard.Let's just celebrate the fact that we have a choice of which platform and software we all use (I use both Windows and Mac btw). Sat 26 Jul 2008 08:55:58 GMT+1 Neilly http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=50#comment19 No, it says everything you need to know about where I work. Still shackled to applications running on Windows. Sat 26 Jul 2008 08:28:44 GMT+1 Coup Attempt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=47#comment18 The fact that run you Windows apps says everything you need to know about Mac's...And "No, it merely posed the question that what would happen if SJ were to leave for whatever reason, and only mentions his health to place that in context, based on a sudden change to his appearance. PS. It is clearly a blog!"No it's a gossip column akin to those you'd find in The Daily Mail. Speculation about why someone may, or may not have lost weight? Blank out the words "Steve" and "Jobs" and replace them with "Katie" and "Price". Sat 26 Jul 2008 08:26:06 GMT+1 Neilly http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=44#comment17 Macs are massively restricted? My little MacBook is currently running Windows apps seamlessly integrated into my Mac OS X, with Kubuntu running in parallel in another 'space'. I wish all computers were that massively restricted. Sat 26 Jul 2008 07:48:48 GMT+1 U9746596 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=42#comment16 I don't hate apple, the iPod video is an excellent piece of innovation.I think that apple will suffer after Steve Jobs has gone. He does such a good job of getting people excited about products that are pretty but average.He seems to have this cult status that apple are keen to cash in on.And Mr Simpson, what on earth are you talking about?Sure macs are simple computers but also massively restricted compared to a pc. I would hate it if my pc didn't have the knobs and sliders, it is called accessibility. Sat 26 Jul 2008 00:49:09 GMT+1 U9746596 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=39#comment15 I don't hate apple, the iPod video is an excellent piece of innovation.I think that apple will suffer after Steve Jobs has gone. He does such a good job of getting people excited about products that are pretty but average.He seems to have this cult status that apple are keen to cash in on.And Mr Simpson, what on earth are you talking about?Sure macs are simple computers but also massively restricted compared to a pc. I would hat Sat 26 Jul 2008 00:41:39 GMT+1 Kev Simpson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=36#comment14 Why are so may people anti-Apple?The facts are...Apple products just work without fuss and nonsense.Apple products continue to work without fuss and nonsense.You just know your Apple products are going to continue to work without fuss and nonsense for as long as you have them.There are no repeated "are you sure" messages, no "driver conflicts", no "I see you are writing a suicide note, let me help..." messages.Non-Apple users don't know how much of a joy Apple products are to use, so can't understand the passion the rest of us have for the simple, uncluttered, intuitive products Apple sell.For example; compare a nasty PC laptop with it's hundreds of switches, sliders, notches, plugs, stickers, adverts, panels, buttons, hatches, catches, latches, trapdoors, openings, sockets and fold-out feet to a sleek, unbroken, reassuringly solid Apple laptop. See what I mean? Fri 25 Jul 2008 23:36:35 GMT+1 Edmund http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=34#comment13 >> Actually it's neither, it's just gossip.No, it merely posed the question that what would happen if SJ were to leave for whatever reason, and only mentions his health to place that in context, based on a sudden change to his appearance. PS. It is clearly a blog! Fri 25 Jul 2008 18:39:33 GMT+1 peejkerton http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=31#comment12 Well, is it that slow a news day in tech land that we are having the BBC of all people speculating on a man's health, and then the implications of that on the company he heads? Thats a bit much... Its his own business how healthy he is.And to the person who said NeXT was a turkey... It wasn't that big of a turkey at all. NeXTSTEP is the foundations of Mac OS X. Fri 25 Jul 2008 18:26:41 GMT+1 Coup Attempt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=28#comment11 "Errr, this is a blog, not a story.You understand the difference between a blog and a story don't you?"Actually it's neither, it's just gossip. Fri 25 Jul 2008 17:38:05 GMT+1 Jimmy James http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=26#comment10 I must admit this is pretty awful gutter reporting - or 'blogging' - from the BBC.Steve Jobs' health is his own business. Apple have publicly stated he had a bug recently and the medication he was on has caused weight loss. He is also a Pescatarian. He also works out. Just because America is becoming more and more obese, there are still many people living there who take their health seriously, Steve being one of them.His health is his business, and his company have already given the reason for his appearance (not that they had to), so what is the point of this blog? I simply cannot understand why this article was ever approved for the British Broadcasting Corporation Website. Fri 25 Jul 2008 15:39:11 GMT+1 clickem http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=23#comment9 Steve Jobs champions products, the average CEO champions the numbers.Apple product designers share his vision. If history is anything to go by that won't cut any ice with a new CEO if they are parachuted in.Apple would have a very uncertain future without Jobs. Fri 25 Jul 2008 15:30:17 GMT+1 REBoylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=21#comment8 I believe that the health rumor was utilized for the sole purpose of manipulating the stock price action over the expected drop in price after the quarterly forward guidance expected on Monday's conference. It was picked up as it's difficult for the analysts and bloggers to ignore. The original "rumor" was based only on Job's appearance at the iPhone 3G presentation in March so it was new news.Job's multiple talents will be difficult to replace. I expect that Ives will be in the running; but his expertise doesn't include market analysis or sales strategies, nor software. The Monday meetings of all Apple's department heads to keep everyone on the same page and aware of progress on future initiatives may be utilized to overcome the new CEO's limitations, with the best "visionary leader" taking Jobs' position. Fri 25 Jul 2008 15:26:37 GMT+1 thomasf1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=18#comment7 @gpvisualIf your sarcastic comment relating to Ballmer is your true opinion then giving Ive the keys to Apple would be a huge mistake.Nobody knows Jonathan Ive, he is a very quiet and secretive man. Furthermore, no one has witnessed his business capabilities, so offering him up as a possible candidate seems quite odd.Jonathan Ive is a designer - an amazing designer - and simply that. He should be left to do what he does best, and not have the troubles of running the business. On a side note, I agree with Poster No. 7. Steve Jobs health is personal and should be left as that. Fri 25 Jul 2008 15:25:35 GMT+1 The Realist http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=15#comment6 Maggie,I would like to know how you would feel if people starting questioning your position in your job if for instance your appearance had chnaged for whatever reason.I am pretty sure you would feel your privacy had been invaded, that your professionalism was being questioned and that you were getting unfair and unjustified amounts of publicity you do not want.So why must you and BBC sink to the depths of the rest of the aweful British Media by doing this article? You and the BBC are much better than this. Technology news should relate to advances in technology, and nothing else.I remember coming on to the BBC and reading reports about Australian sceintists inventing transporters like in star trek and other stuff like that, its a massive shame that more and more tabloid quality reports are being produced.Can't you please just stick to what most people came to expect from the BBC's once fantastic Technology section? Fri 25 Jul 2008 15:10:33 GMT+1 gpvisual http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=13#comment5 When Steve Jobs finally leaves Apple I am sure it will be left in the capable hands of the single most important man at Apple after Jobs, Jonathan Ive.This is the man who has designed the most stunning computer hardware in the last 20 years. If he has the vision to come up with the imac, ipod and iphone just think what he could do if he ran the company. Plus he is British what more could we want.Oh and to the guy who has a downer on the ipod what does he suggest is any better, I wouldn't even use a Zune as a door stop. Is all his frustration down to having to use Vista cos if it is he is not alone.At least Apple didn't leave Steve Ballmer in charge, now there is a guy who knows how to work a crowd. Fri 25 Jul 2008 15:00:30 GMT+1 Chrisrhinos87 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=10#comment4 In response to what Deeptank said he could not be further from the mark in regards to Apple going down the pan when steve Jobas leaves. it simply will not happen. Apple are in a far better place now than when Steve last left and the belief that the iPod is a little inferior device has to be the biggest joke I have ever heard, just look at the way it transformed the way people listen to their music and the sheer volume of sales of the device since it launched. As soon as I saw this blog I knew the Apple haters would come out of the woodwork in regards to the coverage by the bbc. I have to admit that it can be a bit much on some occasions but I can see why this blog was done, although too many 'ifs' and 'whens' to constitute anything other than pure gossip. Fri 25 Jul 2008 14:35:36 GMT+1 Nick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=7#comment3 Errr, this is a blog, not a story.You understand the difference between a blog and a story don't you? Fri 25 Jul 2008 13:53:57 GMT+1 Coup Attempt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=5#comment2 It is simply impossible for the BBC to go 7 days with out a story about Apple. This is a new low. Repeating internet gossip does not constitute a story. Fri 25 Jul 2008 13:30:45 GMT+1 Deeptank http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=2#comment1 Gates may well have been the brains and thrust behind M$, but never to the extent that Jobs has dominated Apple. Jobs also resigned (after a little hissy fit) back in the 80's. After that he went on to found NEXT, which was an absolute turkey. In the meantime Bill went about his business (and lawsuits...), but never tried to hog the limelight the way Steve has a need to.Let's face it - ALL of Apple's current success has been built off the back of the iPod, a humble little inferior music player. Jobs has an ego the size of Florida and anyone who has read iCon will know the kind of a swell guy he is. Even if only 10% of it was true.The bottom line is that once he's gone Apple will die a slow painful death. Just the fact tha he was seen looking a little on the skinny (read: ill) side had Apple's stock fall by more than 10%.iCon indeed. Fri 25 Jul 2008 12:47:30 GMT+1 mattcopp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/apples_future_without_steve_jo.html?page=0#comment0 Bill Gates is out of a job, maybe he can take over? Fri 25 Jul 2008 12:38:28 GMT+1